December 2, 2025 • 59 mins
The No Ceilings crew dive into the evolving realities of the American Dream, examining how real estate, politics, and education shape opportunity in today’s economy. They break down the stark differences in housing affordability across states—from accessible markets like Oklahoma to high-cost regions such as Massachusetts—and discuss how these disparities influence long-term financial stability and generational wealth.
The conversation expands into the broader political and educational landscape, highlighting how government policy, market manipulation, and unequal access to quality education impact social mobility. They also reflect on how economic inequality, shifting political ideologies, and rising living costs have redefined what the American dream looks like for many people, questioning whether it's still attainable in a rapidly changing society.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
load glasses Malone, big dog. What's the deal shoo man?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just trying to survive at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
How's everything going with the new purchase.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So far?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So that we had a little bit of the leg
that's so cold, and I'll get to replace the heater anyway,
but stuff was closed for the holidays and stuff, so
we got pushed back a few days. So I was
still in a hotel and it's like thirty five degrees
in raining, so I just you know, we couldn't have
the guys freezing to death working. Plus it was gonna
(00:46):
suck up the paint.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Mm. But you found the place that you liked that
you already committed to.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Man, that worked out so well that deal once I
kicked out that sucker ass bitch.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh so you did the deal anyway for the place?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No different place, better set up? Better deal? Three more
three four closed duplexes six units each two bedroom, one
bath instead of one bedroom, one bath, one ninety nine
for all three.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So wait a minute, how many? So is so it's
three duplexes six two bedroom parks on one property and
it's two units per due plex three.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Two of them are joint ones. Two of them are
next with each other, so it looks like one thing.
One of them was like two blocks away, but they
were all four closed, same bank. Got it done one nine.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So it's six units total.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Six units total.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh, that school is ill. So you're just gonna live
in one and then red the other ones?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, well until I can rent. Mind, then I'm out
of here.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Oh so you did go? Okay, you can't cough into
the mic, king, I keep telling.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You that's a big cough button, right button. Oh we
started off and all in the mic here like this.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You did. Now we're good people complaining about it this ship.
I'm like, he can't eat. Hey, Pete, A pause, Pete
on that one. That's silent. Feel you just did.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You didn't hear the cough because I hit the button.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I know, but that was me. They decided. Look it
was bad.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Hey, the audience will never know.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, that's the problem. It's definitely not the problem. Now
that's cool, Pete. Congratulations, my boy. I'm really happy for
you and excited.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I appreciate it. Hopefully it works out well, it'll make
up for the oil investment in Oklahoma. The tank that
I notified about that that's a that's a zeroed out.
That's the biggest loss of my entire fucking life. I
can't even believe that shit. I'm still like I can't
sleep at night because of that ship.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Were you at that age now to where you're probably
gonna actually do it? Takes people that you say, usually
forties and fifties.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I don't know, We'll see. I got a lot of
muscle memory for failure.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
But you miss every shot you don't take, so I.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Miss him all shoot pass no matter where'd.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You get your place at.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Play in Memphis. I'm a Hollywood boy baby on Hollywood
all the time. If I'm not hollow California, I'm hollow
with Florida. I'm not hollow in Florida. I'm Hollywood Memphis.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I didn't know Memphis had of Hollywood. That's crazy. We
do now.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I wasn't really Hollywood. It's really Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's cool, though it is dope. So I guess what
I've been what's been on my mind is I wanted
to talk to you about that thing I saw with
the man that was explaining there were only two states
where everyone, every county in that state in the last
(03:53):
election either voted completely red or completely blue. So every
county in the state of Oklahoma voted for Trump, every
county in the state of Massachusetts voted for Kamala And
(04:16):
next to those actual colors on the charts, right, they
actually showed the ranking in all fifty states as far
as education goes, as far as quality of life goals,
as far as test scores goes, and as far as
(04:39):
like medical like what do you call it care?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Like health care?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, healthcare.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So Massachusetts, right, which voted every county voted majority for Kamala. Right,
it was number one in education, it was number one
in test scores, was number two in healthcare, and number
one in quality of life. And you know, you're really loud, right, Emma.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It sounds fine to me. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Just gotta turn down the speaker, King. So the state
of the state of now, the state of Oklahoma, which
every county for which every county voted for Donald Trump,
was fifty in education, forty nine in healthcare, forty five
(05:38):
I think in quality of life, and forty nine and
forty nine, and uh, what was it test course, and
I guess that was his way, the guy that was
doing the content. It was his way of saying, possibly
(05:59):
imagine what he meant. But I think by putting those things,
because even I think one of the ideas quality of
life was revolving around the same three things that he put.
You know that he that he livet the test scores,
age metric, right, So my mind immediately says, well, how
much are the properties in each of these places, Like
(06:23):
what's the actual average price to buy home? In Massachusetts
that voted majority for Kamala, every county voted for Kamala,
it averaged seven hundred and forty something thousand dollars a home. Oklahoma,
(06:44):
where every county voted majority for Donald Trump was two
hundred and nineteen thousand. I compared the minimum wage, the
minimum to Massachusetts again where the every county voted for Kamala,
the minimum wage was fifteen dollars. In Oklahoma the minimum wage,
(07:07):
where you know, every county voted for Donald Trump majority
was seven dollars and fifty cents. And it hit me
the American dream is Republican.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That wouldn't argue with that. That's why I'm Republican. Huh, So
I wouldn't argue with that's why I'm Republican.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sure, sure, I mean, you know me and I'm not neither.
But I was thinking about it, right, and I was like,
and I looked up what the American dream was, and
this was the American dream is the belief that anyone
can achieve success in a better life hard work and determination, anyone.
(07:55):
And what I looked at it, right, And when I
looked at it, that's not true in Massachusetts. Massachusetts has
slowly become England. The reason those people left England. They
turned New England into England. Maybe it's a different group
of people that's at the top of the totem pole,
(08:20):
but it would be virtually impossible for most citizens to
change their stars in Massachusetts. If you truly believe most
American citizens right who are well off and they get wealthy,
I think it was a certain number. A huge chunk
(08:40):
of the percentage was through real estate. The ability buying
onw a home allowed to appreciate, gain equity and buy
another property. That's how it's like most Americans.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's the it's the biggest thing that most people can borrow.
It's it's it's the largest secured loan human being can get.
Interest rates are designed to be less than business growth
but greater than inflationary growth. So if you can borrow,
the more you can borrow as you pay it off
(09:14):
and sit on it, the appreciation of value over time
goes up, and that lever is elongated by the amount
of money you're able to borrow at the lower rate
because it's cured.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's the one thing you can't take a lead. I mean,
even if you bought a car. A car doesn't have
the same type of appraisal situation per se as a house.
Even though, don't get me wrong, a car he's a
going to hide a thousand of the things.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But but you couldn't make forty thousand dollars a year
and get approved to borrow ninety percent of the value
of a two hundred thousand dollars car. It's not gonna happen, sure.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Off for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
But but it's part of it because of the value.
Well I guess, I guess it is a little.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Of security because of the depreciat the depreciation versus appreciation, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But also the security of a house. It's pretty hard
to hide a house, you know, what I mean, you
could just come get it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, and and and and If in five years you
can't pay off the car and the bank takes it,
they're taking a huge loss. If in five years to
keep off the house and the bank takes it, they're
probably making money. Sure.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So the reason I say that the American Dream had
to be Republican in this specific instance, if a majority
of the population changes their stars, right, that the pursuit
of what we just explained in the American dream through
real estate, it would be harder for the average American
(10:53):
citizen in Massachusetts to own a piece of property. Sure,
something as simple as that, Right, Like, if the average
home cost was seven hundred and forty something thousand dollars,
I think they had somewhere between six sixty and seven
twenty seven forty if I remember correctly. But let's say
(11:15):
that mortgage on that piece of property is forty nine hundred,
five thousand dollars. How many people in the state of
Massachusetts can afford a five thousand dollars mortgage dollars an hour?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Probably a fair amount, I mean, a decent not And
that's again based off the American dream.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Right, American dream is the belief that anyone can achieve success.
Anyone can achieve success and a better life through hardwork
and determination. Anyone in Massachusetts cannot success a better life
through hard work and determination in a state like Massachusetts, right,
(12:04):
because you're going to need that every not anyone, but
most people are going to need a jump start versus
in Oklahoma, the majority. You know, again, where the education
is lower, where the quality of life is lower, the
test scores are lower, where healthcare is lower. If the
(12:26):
average person, if you can have a mortgage that's around
eight hundred dollars, right because a property is somewhere between
one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Right,
you can have an eight nine hundred dollars mortgage. That's
something that anyone can achieve with hard work and determination. True,
you get what I'm saying. Anyone, not somebody went to
(12:49):
college and got this fantastic career where they're making six figures.
Two people and they're together and they married, and they
can go buy a five or six thousand dollars. They
go pay five or six thousand dollars for the mortgage
on the house. And I guess what I was asking
you is what does that really mean? What does that
(13:09):
really say about the politics of America? To where again?
And I'm not you know, I feel peaked. I feel
like it's the same bird Republican, a Democrat, But it
says a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I think the politicians are the same, the voters are
not the same.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
That true.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
The pursuit, like you can pursue it's not gifted in
education in Oklahoma, but they I was looking at the
schools there. They have some really good schools, but you
have to pursue that. I thought about things like education,
like how could a place where the education is so high,
(13:48):
how can some of these things be so put so
far behind the glass, like just something as simple as
home ownership for the average citizen there.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, I mean it turns into like you see this
with a lot of bluestates. I'm looking at a list
by Chief Executive magazine. They do every year they rate
the states in terms of business friendliness, going from the
bottom up from fiftieth up fiftieth California, New York, Illinois,
(14:19):
So forty seven is Massachusetts, New Jersey, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, Connecticut, Minnesota,
and then Mississippi, which would be like forty, which would
be like fortieth and Mississippi is a joke of the state.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's still the old It's a barrier of entry economy.
And that's the point I'm getting up. Theirs is largely
through government contract acts.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
As crap.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's just deadpan economy. But all these other states were
extremely competitive.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And this list is for what exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
This list is for the most business friendly states in
the US. Business in the states, they are easiest to
do business and regulation wise and tax wise.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So they're saying is California is the hardest state to
do business in.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes, is the worst state. The top states, Texas won, Florida, Tennessee,
North Carolina, Georgia, Indiana, Utah, Nevada, Virginia, Arizona, et cetera,
et cetera. Oklahoma's in the middle of this list. Massachusetts
is the bottom of this list forty seventh, so practically
the bottom.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So the number one easiest state to do business in
is Texas. Yes, which is why it's kind of getting
It's been getting his boom over the last decade.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, I mean, you look at all these states. Nashville
is a huge, exploding metropolitan Tennessee's Number three. Florida has
multiple exploding metropolitans, as do as does Texas. Charlotte is
an exploding metropolitan. Number four, Atlanta's exploded the last twenty years.
Number five Indiana. Nothing for Indiana. Salt Lake City has exploded,
Las Vegas has exploded, Virginia has exploded a lot of
(15:59):
that's federal government contract stuff. That's a weird state because
it's on the fringe of DC. And then Arizona Phoenix
exploded the last twenty years. There's your top ten. Oklahoma's
population growth per year it's like two point four percent,
Massachusetts zero point four percent.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, you can't make it.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, how the fuck peak get the fuck American gets
so far away from the American dream to where the
app And I guess that's not to say much, because
you can always relocate.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I remember you told me that, and that was I
put that in the top ten greatest advice I ever
got in my life about glasses. Sometimes you got to
pick up and go. The opportunities may not be where
you anger that at that point, Yeah, And it sounded
so foreign because and I guess, you know, throughout the
history of black people's journey in America. You know, you've
(16:56):
always looked for a level of stability. Sure, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm just so interesting in Los Angeles because everybody's grandparents moved,
so they were okay with moving, But everyone's grandkids, no,
moving's not an option. It's kind of strange.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You're right, you're right. Something has happened over the last
fifty years where that has really kind of gotten ridiculous stability.
But looking at a play like that, anybody with hard
work and determination that's in the pursuit can buy a
property in Oklahoma. Yeah, majority of the population, if they
(17:37):
wanted to put in the hard work and determination, can
afford an eight hundred to eleven hundred dollars mortgage.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, you could work at Walmart and drive Uber at
night and knock that out in your sleeping and like,
here's another example. Here's another example. I pulled up as
I was looking through Oklahoma stuff. I didn't even look
through this. This popped up on my line. Oklahoma for
fuel costs, which is a big deal. If you're in
construction or you're in transportation of any kind, do you
(18:04):
have a commute to work? Their gas just got down
to a dollar ninety nine cent a gallon?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
In Olklahoma?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
What are you paying in California to commute from Victorville
down to Corona five fifty depending on what you got dollars? Yeah, easy,
that's that's twelve bucks a day. So how could twenty
a week?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So how can what did I Okay, I'm not into
politics again, I'm not into the whole left right, Republican Democrat?
But what the fuck did I miss to where the
average white person is not paying attention to this? Like
it's okay, glasses right? Because Glasses is completely disenfranchised. History
has done America no favorites. In my eyes, I don't
(18:52):
trust none of it. But how can white people be
stabbed bye, not seeing the thing that they believed in
the most in this country disappear?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Well, that's where you get that giant schism among white
people between you know, they really detest each other pretty badly.
It's been there in different forms and fashions over the centuries.
But the white left and the white right they don't
like each other so much. The white right sees all this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Thing always say, I always say the white right is
a white man and the white left is a white woman.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's actually true statistically, Yeah, would suggest that you.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Think of the mannerisms of it, like white liberal it
is like, you know, they cater to homosexuality, like white women.
White Republicans are like, you know, stern and original way,
you know, just very masculine energy. But I'm just lost
at how the fuck could America let itself get so
(19:58):
far away from the simple dream. It's so to the
whole fucking world.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It's kind of to me. You get into the evolution
of economies on a local scale, where an economy flourishes
when it's extremely competitive. But once that competitiveness matures to
some degree, when you have the ability to compromise a government,
which those states do California does obviously, then it becomes
extremely non competitive because major players, when you're at the top,
(20:29):
you're not looking to climb, you're just looking not to
get knocked off. So they're going to build a big
wall around themselves and make it so that no one
else can climb, whereas before there was nobody up there,
so everyone was just racing to the top. And that's
what you see in a lot of these types of states.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
So what you're saying is we're seeing money start to
kind of make itself elite and now the average person
with just innovation can't compete.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, and I think a lot of people view that
and they don't perceive they perceive that as capitalism. It's
like no calling Johnny Law to come in and kill
capitalism so that you can have a carve out. You
don't and you're untouchable. That's the opposite of capitalism. Like
people say, crony crony capitalism is a phony term. Cronyism
(21:15):
is the word capitalism is a totally separate principle. It's
closer to socialism than capitalism, you know, cronyism, so to speak,
on the spectrum there.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Why is it closer to socialism.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Because it's government intervention. You get government dictates as to
who can produce, how much they can produce, and a
what price.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
People say it's communism because it's still driven by some
level of society that's outside of the government.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, it's still private, but it's like, you know, state
of California, for example, will dict it. There's a ton
of oil in California. It's Jesus, a very simple basic example.
They will tell you where you can and cannot drill,
how much you can it cannot drill, how much taxes
they're going to put on that, what type of refining
you're going to be able to do for the oil
that you do, drill, where you can send that oil,
(22:01):
and at what price, all those various things. It's no
longer a competitive market. So like California's domestic oil market
is totally disenfranchised from the rest of the countries. That's
why the prices are so much different. Everything is totally different.
You can't compete in like the you know, the West
Texas crude, you know from eastern New Mexico all the
(22:22):
way through Texas and Oklahoma, that giant you know, reservoir
of oil, and even like in the Gulf and all
the rest of that cannot compete in the California market
because you can't bring it in effectively. You can to
some degree, but you're also having to pay enormous amounts
of money to even refine it to a California standard,
which is separate from all the other state's standards. So
(22:45):
that's that's kind of an example of market manipulation.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Something similized like catlic converter stuff, like you can drive
in Nevada and get the same Catlic converter that could
pass the California law, but in California they sell it
for twice or three times the price. Yeah, yeah, fucking
crazy people let this shit happen. It's totally against the
(23:11):
government doing. What the fuck happened to white people? Pete,
They not white no more?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
They got they got. It's not too dissimilar to what
happened with the white South and the lead up to
the Civil War, where you had a cluster of elites
that controlled information dissemination that effectively like convinced them, Hey, guys,
we know you're dirt poor and you don't know any slaves,
and this isn't really gonna do much for you, guys,
(23:37):
But those sons of bitches up north are trying to
infringe upon our way of life as Southerners, and it's
your job to fight them. They take out in the
same bamboozlemen.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
If you think about it, people didn't think that, like
the North had slaves at this point.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Not many of them were. Most of the states was illegal.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
That's a whole other story. But again, the North had slaves,
tons of slaves. But I guess over time that information
has kind of been lost. I guess whoever leaves the
battle controls a narrative after.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, and here's the thing, like with California and Massachusetts,
did they have something similar that there's enormous wealth concentrations
in both states, different industries, but same kind of layout.
They get, you know, an enormous amount of influence at
the state level. They're highly unionized states for public sector standpoint,
(24:30):
which means that some of the most powerful entities in
the state from a lobbying level are the teachers unions.
So you give it a generation and a half of
teachers unions being bought and paid for by interests. Now
you're getting, like some of my relatives been public schools
for a very long time, and curriculum change within the
(24:53):
public school system in California is enormous. That's true in
a lot of these other states. So you teach these
kids to believe what you want to with them to believed,
as it might beneficial.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But you know, you know who.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Brought the education back and long like the eighteen hundreds
and stuff. It was the Rockefellers. Yeah, yeah, And what
they did was from that point was just.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But I was saying that, I was saying that, like
even having the number one education doesn't really reflect intellect.
It means this is gonna sound raggedy. Forgive me to
everybody on No Ceilings podcasts, I don't apologize much. This
is gonna sound worse than I want too, right, But
(25:40):
so forgive me. I'm not the grade of your education.
But education can also spell indoctrination, you know what I mean?
Like they can they can educate the fight out of you.
Like you, these things feel so normal, like you could
be in Massachusetts and the fucking mortgage is five thousand dollars.
(26:01):
That's if the house is six hundred and fifty thous
what's the what's the mortgage on the six hundred and
fifty thous dolls hous fourteen hundred?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Man?
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Maybe maybe what's what's the thing that they just they
just passed They just passed upon the home. There's no
more thirty year mortgages like that, though they don't expanded
it out to being what like fifty How.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Was that pass I think that was proposed? And that's
another thing. Anytime that the government tries to make it
quote unquote easier to buy a house, that drives up
the base price of houses. When you only have to
put three percent down in a quote unquote marginalized neighborhood
or zip code if you meet it's whatever the hell
(26:47):
type of you know, income, you know, local percentage thresholds.
It just means that there's that many more people competing
for that house to have to only shut up with
a little bit of money. So it's you know, it's
it's never from ten percent to eight. It goes from
ten to three, and it spikes up the price of
the house. And that's then people get foreclosed on because
(27:07):
they're paying now ninety seven percent of the equity with
interest carrying every month. That's insane. I can't like the
idea that somehow that's going to help a problem.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't know if it's okay. So here's why I'm
going to even though I don't want to. This country
ain't getting nothing for black people to get no fucking house.
So a lot of the ideas, excuse my language, a
lot of the ideas, Right, I got black people a
(27:40):
chance to buy a home, right, like an FHA loan,
like a three percent loan, right, But it's still going
to inadvertently fund a bunch of people who could afford
to put more percentage down for a house in them
same people start to compete for the same loans. Does
that make sense? That's what se.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, there's a tie in though where you can't make
like you have to be in the sixtieth percentile of
your zip code in earnings or below to be able
to apply, So it keeps that down. But what it
does it sets people up for failure. You're not going
to have. It turns into what I call the reverse
mortgage retirement plan, where every dollar you make goes into
(28:24):
this house for thirty years if you pay it offers.
The whole time, you can't put money into anything else
because you're paying eight percent on ninety seven percent of
the price of the goddamn thing, which is then jacked
up anyway because now everybody's dumping into the market to
buy it, because you introduce the local area to a
bunch of new buyers. So you have no money to
do anything else for thirty fucking years to pay this
(28:45):
out of a bish off. Well, now it's time to
stop working. You have nothing saved, so you just have
to start pulling the equity out of the house until
you fucking.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Die to eat.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, how do poor black people get into a house
at that point to change?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Fine numbers that work, especially thembers that work.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So you feel like the goal is really to like
we talked about, just get the fuck away to where
you could actually go and buy, versus creating programs where
you're in a place like California where is ridiculous and
now you don't have a choice drive or bring in
foreign investors to buy property.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Like I don't know if you remember several years back,
I brought my buddy Antoine and as a pastor onto
the show up in Palmdale. Sure, a long dreadge guy,
don't do it. Yeah, he makes really good money now.
He works in construction equipment leasing, does.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Very well for himself.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
He's looking to buy a house right now. But he
is rigid. So I mean people that work with him
that might not even make a much money as him.
They're trying to buy in Burbank, or they're trying to
buy here or there at seven fifty eight hundred thousand.
He's like, I'm not paying above six period, and I'm
going to go to Riverside if i have to, or
I'm going to go to Canyon Country if I have
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to or wherever the hell. But he's tailoring his search
around a big picture, you know, numerical budget that is
iron clad, and he's not going to bend for it.
It helps that he's single and have a wife barking
at him saying I want that house. My motto is,
I don't like buying single family homes because women buy homes.
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Men just pay for them, and you're getting a very
emotional buyer.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Shit, I don't want to be competing against a wife
with nothing to do except barking her husband all day
long for price. I'm not gonna win that one.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
No, no way.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I could figure out how much I would like to
know that I'm saying. It just seems like if the
American dream is the pursuit, like I said, that ability
to change your stars, If American dream is the belief
that anyone can achieve success in a better life through
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hard work and determination, I guess you're right, Pet. It
does come to a place to where, like you explained
to me, your family uprooted from where they were and
went to where they could actually do some of the
things that they wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Like my my grandfather, they you know, he has recently died.
He died with an awful lot of money. They started
in ray Jail, Calabria and some small town I don't
even know what the fuck is called and sister.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
They came in.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
They went to New York for about a year. They
went to Cleveland for about five or six years, they
went to Huntington Park. From Huntington Park, they went to Downey.
From Downey went to Newport and Palace Verities. Then they died.
They moved a rather fucking lot.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, look at me.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I know realistically, I look at my money. I look
at my taxi turk. I go what tax bracket at
by end? Percentage wise? Okay, I'm at the bottom of
the fucking barrel. I want to buy something. I need
to make somebody out of this body. Where should I go?
Hollywood and Chelsea. You can't find cheaper shit than there.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I had to.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I had to match what I was looking for against
what I had to purchase with.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
So it's so for seven hundred thousand dollars, house is
forty three hundred and SI No, no, it's not. That's
what twenty percent? Now? Yeah, ship, then drop that payment
down in three percent seven looks like you again.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Three percent on seven hundred right maybe and maybe you
get over there over there, you might get you right jack?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
So what's the fah and three percent?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Three?
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So it's fifty six seventy six for seven hundred thousand
dollars house with three percent down?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, little uh.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Fuck could afford. So that's forty one hundred and seventy
two dollars in principal and interest. Yes, you got.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Property tax that's inflated on because of proper numbers. Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And you got insurance. The insurance is one hundred and
ninety two dollars a month, and the more its insurance
because it's a FHA, is five hundred and eighty three dollars. Yeah, everybody,
that's seven that's five cherd. That's fifty seven hundred dollars
a month for all.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, make fifty seven hundred dollars work through hard work
and determination.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Do you know how median income nows media and income
now is like seventy two?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So taxes hard working determination? Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So why you don't catch me over there?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
That's crazy?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So why you don't catch me over there?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
That's why I left that's as fuck. I told you,
it's fucking two years. That's why I left.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I guess that now is I guess the truth now
is the American dream is like the belief that anyone
can achieve success in a better life through moving or relocating.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Horror, That's always been the case because because because mature,
because mature markets are always going to be overpriced always.
I mean, like, look at that old movie that, like
when Tom Cruise was Irish. It he came to like
New York and he's bearing up of boxing and then
he runs off into a field at the end of
the movie with a stick and claims some plot of
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land he finally got a house because nobody fucking wanted
to be out there. Because you're in the middle of
a field in South Dakota, nobody wants to fucking there.
They're like, well, give it, just get anybody out there
so the Indians don't come back or some ship.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, what do you think king about that? Does it
make sense? Do you get what I'm saying? Because I
know this is a really I mean, it's not like
it's but it's a really deep conversation about where the
America that black people live in where it's at.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Okay, how would you assay.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
There was one hundred years ago?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
How would you assess affordability? And see how from when
you were like a kid, early teenager to now, oh,
how much.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Could you buy house for kenny when you was eighteen?
I can't remember that.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Far back, but I will tell you this about it
happened when the tech when the tech boom happened. Sure,
you know, the prices started going crazy when the tech
boom happened in Bellevue and up there in Seattle. You
know what Gates and all them people, Amazon and all
them people was up there because at one time the.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Business loss was friendly. You know. That's why you see
a lot.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Of businesses leaving Washington now because once they got them
in there and they started making all them beings of dollars,
you know, Starbucks and all them places, Washington then.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Came at them hard, you know.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
So that's where they started selling the movie and stuff.
But as far as the cost of living up there,
it has risen. But also we're kind of like a
liberal state. So also we got one of the highest
you know salary you know, minimum wage is like fifteen
to twenty dollars now. Sure, so you can find houses
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outside of the major cities in Washington that you could
live really good and cheaper houses. But as you go
closer to the cities and stuff, the house will start
doubling and tripling. But you still got outskirts beyond the
suburban area where you can still find nice houses cheap.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Closer in than Spokane.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
Uh well, Spokane has always been cheaper than the western side,
sure of Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
But yes, you'll find some real cheap house.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
But you mean, like you mean like an hour and
a half outside of the space.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, by an hour and a half outside of Seattle, gotcha.
You don't have to go two three hours outside of
Seattle to find nice houses.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
But it's growing out so slowly, just like here in
Palmdale a two years ago probably and problem deal seems
a lot cheaper. Now I'm starting to see it rise
up and more people starting to move out this way,
you see, we're moving also comes higher things when people
start moving somewhere. When you was talking about Oklahoma earlier,
(37:10):
there was a program I tried to do, call the
telsa remote program where they give you like ten thousand
dollars to relocate and do work from home there in Telsa.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Oh I've seen some state. Yeah, someplace in Kansas was
offering people.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
If you do remote homework, if you work from home,
they want you to move to Telsa and work from
there and they'll give you ten thousand dollars grand So
I do when you guys up Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, yeah, especially Salon is making a show.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
They still got that going on today. But when you
say that, when you say moving and the cost, and
you go back to Republicans and Democrats and stuff, because
I look at Massachusetts as a retirement state. I don't
really look at Massachusetts as an industrial state. I look
at rich old people going up there and retiring.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, it's a major research hub. I mean, you got Mit,
you got Harvard there, all upper class stuff, all rich people,
big time, big time.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
So when you say that, then you compare it to
Oklahoma City and say, as Republicans, you know, and you say,
you know, is that the American dream? I don't think
we have an American dream no more. Because from my
age group on, it was always about easy work. Sure,
(38:34):
how to make your life easier. Don't work as hard
as your parents did. So your parents made your life
so easy that you didn't have to work as hard
as they did.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So somewhere along the line, that perceived of the American
dream then changed. It's not about working hard again but
again okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Always want to pass off a better life to your kids.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Did you make it easier them? Yeah? The average human
being would like to have everything without working hard. I
think I'm the only person who wants to actually work hard.
I'll come to that conclusion too, although I want to
work hard, hold on, I'll think cotton well, because there
is then how did you deny that? Right? American dream
(39:22):
is the belief that anyone can achieve success and a
better life hard working determination.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Now the hard hard is his definition of hard work?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Like, yeah, the hard work is the part that I
think is not there everything.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Like sixty hours a week at a desk versus a
coal mine. Yeah, it's different type.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Of hard work. Yes, you can actually afford a house
in Oklahoma with sixty hours a week at the fucking
publicle in Oklahoma, but the customer but the minimum wage
of Oklahoma too is a lot cheaper though. But that's
what I'm saying. Even at a minimum wage, right, like,
that's about what two thousand a month. You moved to
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Oklahoma and you married a woman, and you're y'all made
fifteen dollars an hour together, which hard work and you're
probably not gonna be working for memory. You're rich, little bit.
Huhred dollars an hour. You're rich in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I don't do it life like this. What's their minimum?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Like? Eight?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Seven dollars? Like eight dollars? Just listen to what I
just said. If you find a woman and you marry her,
and you guys go for the simplest job possible, seven
dollars and fifty, y'all bring on fifty. Yeah, they're rich.
I was an hour together, even though you're not rich,
that's shit, hard work and determination. No, you're not rich,
(40:50):
but I'm saying eighty hours, right, eighty hours. It's twelve
hundred dollars a week. I mean to every two weeks
between your couple, between you and the woman.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
That you you're doing about thirty k right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You can buy a house, you can buy property, like
let me let me show you facts. Look at this. Yeah,
all right, I'm looking up relative dot com. Let's go
to Tosa the home. Right, let me filter, it's just
(41:30):
the first home that pop It's a beautiful three bedroom,
two bath, two thousand square foot home, half an acre
for one hundred and seventy thousand dollars. Half the first
property that popped up. Nice, huge, Right, what's to say
the estimated monthly is looking at the loan program. Right,
(41:51):
let's look at the loan program. When we have three percent,
this is something that's higher because you can find cheaper. Right,
You're mortgage is fifteen hundred dollars a month. That's thousand
dollars in principal and interest. That's one hundred and ninety
two dollars in property tax a month at home insurance
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of two hundred and four dollars. That's mortgage shorts of
one hundred and forty six dollars. That's three percent down
fifteen hundred dollars a month. You get what I'm saying.
The average person can pursue success, wealth through hard working determination.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Part of the misnomer.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh, you mean the average family could do that because
it's gonna take that's what a marriage, that's what.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
But that's that's not average. Minimum wage is not average.
That's what I'm playing below average.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
So I'm saying two people.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
King of two, bottom of the barrel, under achievers, two
chronic long term.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
He's right. Listen what I'm saying, king, two people, you
can go and get the first job you see at
minimum way, the first job full time and house and
lived and lived American dream. But that's what I'm trying
to tell you. How the fuck did all of these
(43:24):
other states get so loose? And I think it's to
what Piz said, market maturation. Nobody wants that, Huh, I said,
nobody wants to live in Oklahoma?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Would you rather live that's in a house in Oklahoma
on a half acre lot or a studio park by
by by MacArthur Park.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
When I was young, I would to MacArthur Park. But
now that I'm older, I'm taking, you know, Oklahoma, give
me that half acre, Yeah, give me a half acre.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'll agree with you on both of them too.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I was when I was young, Yeah, but now I'm
going to Oklahoma all the way, you and me both
on both sides of that. So I understand you know,
like you say to me when you say maturation, I'm
just saying, you know, it was the people going to
certain areas that call that maturation that gives this place
(44:24):
where people are leaving that value that you say they
can now have American dream because everything over down. Here's
who bedroom, one bath house in Tosa, Oklahoma, a thousand
square foot on a seven thousand square foot lot. Right
if you put the three percent down, your monthly payment
(44:45):
is for your mortgage is four hundred and four dollars.
How much how much money is three percent down on that?
What's three percent down on that is? What's that? What
they have to come ten and eighty five dollars? That's
three percent? Yes, damn, that's its property right now, I'm
looking at it. Fifty thousand dollars. You can live in
(45:07):
and move in it right down? Okay, fifty this is
a section eight rental portfolio peak. I'm going there now
right now. I wish I had good credit.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You don't but that. But that's what I'm saying, Like,
and I think, and I'm don't get me wrong, there's
a level of fear that people don't get this conversation
right because it's like, sure, you can just work hard
and be determined and change your stars. Possibly in Oklahoma,
(45:40):
oh Facts in a state that supposedly voted for the
worst person in the world, every county that has the
worst education based off what they say on out of
fifty the worst quality of life, Like, but you can
(46:00):
down there and own a piece of the American dream
for four hundred and fourteen dollars a month. See, and
somebody else said that they was like, gee, man a trap.
I think Trap was saying that. He was like glasses, man, ma,
who want to live in those places? It wasn't trapped.
If somebody else was saying that, who want to live
in those places? I'm like, bro, you're a fucking adult.
Fuck you, what the fuck you want to live by
(46:21):
the club were doing? Like right, hey tell her?
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Wanting to be with no fun?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But like, man, once you pass twenty seven, yeah, you
were supposed to start looking onward, Like okay, what am
I doing? Let alone? Whoever that person was, I think
they was like forty it was done. Don't be done there.
I'm like, don what the fuck are you talking about? Damn,
(46:50):
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You're talking to me like they don't have twenty two
year old stuff?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
He's there to do?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Hey tells us, I've been to tell a few. It's nice.
It's nice.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I've passed through. I've only been through Oklahoma City a
little bit. But I mean, like you go to those
parts that you go to those states, mans, these girls
look all right. The only the biggest difference is there's
a couple of spots in the country where it's like whoa.
But unless you like walking around with a bag of
cash and the back of coke, you're not getting those
(47:22):
bitches anyway. You're just not. So you're getting the normal
girls around town, and the normal girls around your town,
and the normal girls around their town. Look about the
fucking say, And that's true.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
They are a little thicker down here, though, benefits a
little thicker down there.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
No, right, can't you hear what I see?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
You hear what I said? Seyga? You stay the house,
moved in it right now and your your mortgage is
four hundred and fourteen domes a month. Yes? Why? Yeah?
I tried to get to tell so with that remote money,
and they told me I didn't qualify. Damn.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Did you have to already have the remote job?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, that's the key thing. You already gotta.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Havesking hard and those jobs are the first ones getting deleted.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Man, if you got well, you can move, get ten
g's and move to Oklahome.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Man, I gotta find a remote job and with some
niche role of the company, just keeps or as the fireman.
Like I'm the only guy who knows how to.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Turn the confusion. Here's a three bedroom, one bad, nine
hundred square foot on seven thousand square foot lot. The
mortgage on this five hundred and eighty two dollars. But
just imagine I got the rent is cheap too. If
you're leasing or wrinting it, it's cheap down there too. Sure,
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sure what beautiful not like this?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
You know that's why?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh you can get eight nine hundred dollars one thousand dollars. See,
the confusion is that rent is the same?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Oh no, it ain't.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
It's more. It's more. You probably can.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
You it has a mortgage.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
M h yeah. But the three bedroom house.
Speaker 6 (49:17):
Shit, you're paying three grand down there, three average of
three thousand for three bedroom rent.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
There, and that's somebody who owned the property for the
last thirty years. If somebody bought it now, you ain't
getting in there for no more fucking three thousand dollars.
The mortgage is more. Yeah, that's crazy. You don't want
me to tell you how much the COMA is right now?
The bush? Oh I got you, Hold on ahead and
look it up.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Coma's talking about.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Dot com.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Is like, I'm going right to the COMA house. You
ain't gonna look at no townholds and nothing. The house.
It's gonna be about six hundred and fifty thousand in
Tacoma average.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Why we got the one man computer right here? And
I bet you he's right.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Also always wrong to you're looking house, I mean way
a born loser. This is a very odd looking house.
I think it's a house. You know, he's a looking
you get the first place about it.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
It's called architecturally eccentric, right.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Looking house?
Speaker 2 (50:26):
That's not It looks like somebody added a second story later.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
That looked like some Southern houses down so play blow
or something.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
No, this isn't Tacoma.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
That's the added a second story level later.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I don't know if that's like real. Let me find
something that you will. That's a scam already a Tacoma.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
That was that was an AI house. This is there's
a two bedroom. Because what's weird is they don't never
have no pictures of inside the house all out it
will be always like one or two pictures. It's like, bro,
what is going like?
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Two outdoors?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Sh like like they drove like you can see our shop.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Give you the little Google map. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
It's getting bad. On. Here's a house. It's a two bedroom,
one bath. Oh, but I wouldn't move the right I
wouldn't have there. I wouldn't move there. There one bath.
I'm already telling you the other.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
The last one was the three three bedroom, one bad.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Tell us how much the mortgage is? Twenty three hundred
and seventy one dollars. Oh they could kis somebody's that
three hundred for that for.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Two bedroom one bad.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
That's not a stand alone house of the townhouse or condo.
That's a standalone house.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, but it's something a bit how many square feets wrong.
I'm not gonna lie. It's not the size. It's just
something about the thing.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
When people don't take pictures of the inside of their
house and it be one or two kicks, what's wrong?
I mean you may have there's tendants who don't really
want nobody in there, and it's like like gentrification, like
they don't want to leave a house that's going to
walk into silly ship that's in the poor area. This
is on Pacific Avenue. It's on Pacific Avenue. That's really
that's where the holes be walking up sometimes.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Wait, where's that again? Just just just keep sick, I
like you know, it's partant statistics.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Here's one bedroom, one bath, five hundred and ninety six
square foot home on the thirteen hundred and thirty two
square foot a lot. Wait, hold on, wait, glasses.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
That that's a tant in somebody's driveway.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I know, but glasses, hold on, don't just tell you something.
So far we haven't here the three bedroom or anything. Yet.
It's always been one to work with you. This this
mortgage for this, this mortgage for this SX hundred, five
hundred andninety six squirl from home six hundred and one
bad you home twenty three hundred, twenty nine dollars, and
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that's what nine thousand dollars if.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
You were living in Tacoma or Tulsa twenty dollars minimum
wage pete. So do they still you're not getting that
twenty twenty hour minimum wage?
Speaker 1 (53:15):
But that's the manufacturer home glasses.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, that's a manufacturer home. That's what that is. Twenty
three I look at that now, I tell you, so
you would be at twenty hours an hour. You're making
thirty two hundred dollars a month before taxis you're not Yeah,
you're not talking about two three hundred. You're not getting that.
Oh that's a private owner. You're getting into that manufactur
home easy. I don't know if this is a manufacturer.
(53:42):
I'm looking at the whole set up.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
That's probably on the Old that's probably on the retirement
fucking property of manufactured Homes, which is.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
On so now forty third Street, living South forty third Street.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I mean the first one I see is three bedroom,
two bath. It's a town home. It's quasi connecting to
the next house. The shares a wall. I mean, staying
away from you from three ninety nine, three bedroom, one
bath three nineteen here.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, that's closer to the truth. He how do you
get the three bedrooms? Crazy?
Speaker 3 (54:15):
That?
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, that's crazy. That's how the houses used to be built.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
King three bedroom, one bath for three hundred and ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
That's crazy. Yeah, the neighborhood. You want to know old
If I got you I'll fight king. Here's a three bedroom.
Too bad. You're trying to get fancy. I know this
is going to be bad. Well, I'm just going up
to my house. I grew up there. We had two
bathrooms upstairs, downstairs. Because there's a white man.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
How are you going to the crips when you got
two bathrooms, bathroom and you gang banging? What's the matter
with you?
Speaker 3 (54:51):
H you got bathrooms?
Speaker 2 (54:54):
How about how you gang bang with two bathrooms in
the house.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
The GOFO was built around military basis, so we kind
of you know, y'all militants. Yeah, we had a little
bits are playing war games on the street. So we
wasn't poor, poor looking, you know, we probably like the sixties. Okay,
here's here's here's It's two fifteen South sixty fourth Street
and Tacoma. It's four hundred thousand dollars for the house.
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The mortgage is three thousand dollars with a three percent
down payment of twelve thousand dollars. It's three thousand and
seventy six dollars. That sounds about right around there. That
sounds about right. You you know what I'm saying. When
I'm saying American, what's your home, Masgrege, what's yourchildhood home address?
Thirty five ninety six South Fowsett nine eight four zero
(55:42):
eight five ninety six South Fawset. I said, Tacoma, Washington
ninety eight four zero eight Fosston spelled how faw ce
T T C E T twenty an hour South Foster? Yeah,
(56:06):
no Foster half home.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Forty five bucks an hour is year pre text just
straight up twenty five times forty times fifty two three
Tell me again, twenty five bucks an hour?
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Question again? What's that?
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Afrigain?
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Thirty five ninety six, South Fosston.
Speaker 6 (56:28):
Make me forgetting now, God damn, yeah, he gonna make
me forget so many addresses that we told me I
had rof the bat.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
But now fuck, I'm thinking to my address I got
you live this Look how much that shout at homeworks
today it will for like three hundred, four hundred thousand.
They just sold it, this sewn it is today home
of Washington. Yep, they sold it for four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 6 (56:57):
No, because my brother got it taken a couple of
years ago from from it, and the bank took it.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
And sold five bedrooms one bath too. You know now
it's too five bedrooms, one bath to address.
Speaker 6 (57:12):
Then it's the same neighborhood. No, it's a four bedroom,
two baths upstairs and downstairs.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
No, that's not it. Okay, Oh let me see. Yeah,
that's it. Oh they remodeled it. Then they went in
there and remodeled it. Yeah, they took a bathroom out
because if you American dream. Look, I gotta let Pete go.
Do you get what I'm saying at this point, the
American dream it's not accessible to most Americans. Now it's
(57:41):
even in a more heart. So let me ask you
this question. Do you think I, looking at that house
I grew up in? Do you think I lived part
of the American dream looking at that your dad did?
Do you think I lived part of the American dream
looking at that house? That'd be the question, Pete, Like
(58:02):
you said, how you become what you became? Huh said?
If I was living American dream in that house, that
goes back to you, Pete, like, how did I become
a cripology?
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I was just giving you a hard time.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
He wasn't living in the American dream. Your father was.
Oh okay, you just was benefit you as a freeloader,
A little crumb snatcher.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
I was that you gotta, you gotta, it's a it's
a good thing is at the house, nice things.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Trust me.
Speaker 6 (58:32):
Through my stepdad, I got to see some nice things
of rich people. So yes, you're right, But I didn't
look as the American dream because my color when I
went out showed me that there was.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
No American dream. You know, even though I lived in
that house and had a white dad, you know, they
would still call me nigger in front of my dad
where he'll be fighting them like it was like that.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
So it wasn't still to me no American dream. Police
was still arresting me, pulling me over and as a kid,
and so on and so on. So I've never to
me got to see that American dream. It was just
a house that we lived in, you know, and everybody
in the school and that area had nice houses at
that time.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
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load glasses Malone, big dog. What's the deal shoo man?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just trying to survive at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
How's everything going with the new purchase.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So far?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So that we had a little bit of the leg
that's so cold, and I'll get to replace the heater anyway,
but stuff was closed for the holidays and stuff, so
we got pushed back a few days. So I was
still in a hotel and it's like thirty five degrees
in raining, so I just you know, we couldn't have
the guys freezing to death working. Plus it was gonna
(00:46):
suck up the paint.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Mm. But you found the place that you liked that
you already committed to.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Man, that worked out so well that deal once I
kicked out that sucker ass bitch.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh so you did the deal anyway for the place?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No different place, better set up? Better deal? Three more
three four closed duplexes six units each two bedroom, one
bath instead of one bedroom, one bath, one ninety nine
for all three.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So wait a minute, how many? So is so it's
three duplexes six two bedroom parks on one property and
it's two units per due plex three.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Two of them are joint ones. Two of them are
next with each other, so it looks like one thing.
One of them was like two blocks away, but they
were all four closed, same bank. Got it done one nine.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So it's six units total.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Six units total.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh, that school is ill. So you're just gonna live
in one and then red the other ones?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, well until I can rent. Mind, then I'm out
of here.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Oh so you did go? Okay, you can't cough into
the mic, king, I keep telling.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You that's a big cough button, right button. Oh we
started off and all in the mic here like this.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You did. Now we're good people complaining about it this ship.
I'm like, he can't eat. Hey, Pete, A pause, Pete
on that one. That's silent. Feel you just did.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You didn't hear the cough because I hit the button.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I know, but that was me. They decided. Look it
was bad.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Hey, the audience will never know.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, that's the problem. It's definitely not the problem. Now
that's cool, Pete. Congratulations, my boy. I'm really happy for
you and excited.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I appreciate it. Hopefully it works out well, it'll make
up for the oil investment in Oklahoma. The tank that
I notified about that that's a that's a zeroed out.
That's the biggest loss of my entire fucking life. I
can't even believe that shit. I'm still like I can't
sleep at night because of that ship.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Were you at that age now to where you're probably
gonna actually do it? Takes people that you say, usually
forties and fifties.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I don't know, We'll see. I got a lot of
muscle memory for failure.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
But you miss every shot you don't take, so I.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Miss him all shoot pass no matter where'd.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You get your place at.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Play in Memphis. I'm a Hollywood boy baby on Hollywood
all the time. If I'm not hollow California, I'm hollow
with Florida. I'm not hollow in Florida. I'm Hollywood Memphis.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I didn't know Memphis had of Hollywood. That's crazy. We
do now.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I wasn't really Hollywood. It's really Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's cool, though it is dope. So I guess what
I've been what's been on my mind is I wanted
to talk to you about that thing I saw with
the man that was explaining there were only two states
where everyone, every county in that state in the last
(03:53):
election either voted completely red or completely blue. So every
county in the state of Oklahoma voted for Trump, every
county in the state of Massachusetts voted for Kamala And
(04:16):
next to those actual colors on the charts, right, they
actually showed the ranking in all fifty states as far
as education goes, as far as quality of life goals,
as far as test scores goes, and as far as
(04:39):
like medical like what do you call it care?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Like health care?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, healthcare.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So Massachusetts, right, which voted every county voted majority for Kamala. Right,
it was number one in education, it was number one
in test scores, was number two in healthcare, and number
one in quality of life. And you know, you're really loud, right, Emma.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It sounds fine to me. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Just gotta turn down the speaker, King. So the state
of the state of now, the state of Oklahoma, which
every county for which every county voted for Donald Trump,
was fifty in education, forty nine in healthcare, forty five
(05:38):
I think in quality of life, and forty nine and
forty nine, and uh, what was it test course, and
I guess that was his way, the guy that was
doing the content. It was his way of saying, possibly
(05:59):
imagine what he meant. But I think by putting those things,
because even I think one of the ideas quality of
life was revolving around the same three things that he put.
You know that he that he livet the test scores,
age metric, right, So my mind immediately says, well, how
much are the properties in each of these places, Like
(06:23):
what's the actual average price to buy home? In Massachusetts
that voted majority for Kamala, every county voted for Kamala,
it averaged seven hundred and forty something thousand dollars a home. Oklahoma,
(06:44):
where every county voted majority for Donald Trump was two
hundred and nineteen thousand. I compared the minimum wage, the
minimum to Massachusetts again where the every county voted for Kamala,
the minimum wage was fifteen dollars. In Oklahoma the minimum wage,
(07:07):
where you know, every county voted for Donald Trump majority
was seven dollars and fifty cents. And it hit me
the American dream is Republican.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That wouldn't argue with that. That's why I'm Republican. Huh, So
I wouldn't argue with that's why I'm Republican.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sure, sure, I mean, you know me and I'm not neither.
But I was thinking about it, right, and I was like,
and I looked up what the American dream was, and
this was the American dream is the belief that anyone
can achieve success in a better life hard work and determination, anyone.
(07:55):
And what I looked at it, right, And when I
looked at it, that's not true in Massachusetts. Massachusetts has
slowly become England. The reason those people left England. They
turned New England into England. Maybe it's a different group
of people that's at the top of the totem pole,
(08:20):
but it would be virtually impossible for most citizens to
change their stars in Massachusetts. If you truly believe most
American citizens right who are well off and they get wealthy,
I think it was a certain number. A huge chunk
(08:40):
of the percentage was through real estate. The ability buying
onw a home allowed to appreciate, gain equity and buy
another property. That's how it's like most Americans.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's the it's the biggest thing that most people can borrow.
It's it's it's the largest secured loan human being can get.
Interest rates are designed to be less than business growth
but greater than inflationary growth. So if you can borrow,
the more you can borrow as you pay it off
(09:14):
and sit on it, the appreciation of value over time
goes up, and that lever is elongated by the amount
of money you're able to borrow at the lower rate
because it's cured.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's the one thing you can't take a lead. I mean,
even if you bought a car. A car doesn't have
the same type of appraisal situation per se as a house.
Even though, don't get me wrong, a car he's a
going to hide a thousand of the things.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But but you couldn't make forty thousand dollars a year
and get approved to borrow ninety percent of the value
of a two hundred thousand dollars car. It's not gonna happen, sure.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Off for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
But but it's part of it because of the value.
Well I guess, I guess it is a little.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Of security because of the depreciat the depreciation versus appreciation, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But also the security of a house. It's pretty hard
to hide a house, you know, what I mean, you
could just come get it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, and and and and If in five years you
can't pay off the car and the bank takes it,
they're taking a huge loss. If in five years to
keep off the house and the bank takes it, they're
probably making money. Sure.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So the reason I say that the American Dream had
to be Republican in this specific instance, if a majority
of the population changes their stars, right, that the pursuit
of what we just explained in the American dream through
real estate, it would be harder for the average American
(10:53):
citizen in Massachusetts to own a piece of property. Sure,
something as simple as that, Right, Like, if the average
home cost was seven hundred and forty something thousand dollars,
I think they had somewhere between six sixty and seven
twenty seven forty if I remember correctly. But let's say
(11:15):
that mortgage on that piece of property is forty nine hundred,
five thousand dollars. How many people in the state of
Massachusetts can afford a five thousand dollars mortgage dollars an hour?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Probably a fair amount, I mean, a decent not And
that's again based off the American dream.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Right, American dream is the belief that anyone can achieve success.
Anyone can achieve success and a better life through hardwork
and determination. Anyone in Massachusetts cannot success a better life
through hard work and determination in a state like Massachusetts, right,
(12:04):
because you're going to need that every not anyone, but
most people are going to need a jump start versus
in Oklahoma, the majority. You know, again, where the education
is lower, where the quality of life is lower, the
test scores are lower, where healthcare is lower. If the
(12:26):
average person, if you can have a mortgage that's around
eight hundred dollars, right because a property is somewhere between
one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Right,
you can have an eight nine hundred dollars mortgage. That's
something that anyone can achieve with hard work and determination. True,
you get what I'm saying. Anyone, not somebody went to
(12:49):
college and got this fantastic career where they're making six figures.
Two people and they're together and they married, and they
can go buy a five or six thousand dollars. They
go pay five or six thousand dollars for the mortgage
on the house. And I guess what I was asking
you is what does that really mean? What does that
(13:09):
really say about the politics of America? To where again?
And I'm not you know, I feel peaked. I feel
like it's the same bird Republican, a Democrat, But it
says a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I think the politicians are the same, the voters are
not the same.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
That true.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
The pursuit, like you can pursue it's not gifted in
education in Oklahoma, but they I was looking at the
schools there. They have some really good schools, but you
have to pursue that. I thought about things like education,
like how could a place where the education is so high,
(13:48):
how can some of these things be so put so
far behind the glass, like just something as simple as
home ownership for the average citizen there.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, I mean it turns into like you see this
with a lot of bluestates. I'm looking at a list
by Chief Executive magazine. They do every year they rate
the states in terms of business friendliness, going from the
bottom up from fiftieth up fiftieth California, New York, Illinois,
(14:19):
So forty seven is Massachusetts, New Jersey, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, Connecticut, Minnesota,
and then Mississippi, which would be like forty, which would
be like fortieth and Mississippi is a joke of the state.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's still the old It's a barrier of entry economy.
And that's the point I'm getting up. Theirs is largely
through government contract acts.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
As crap.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's just deadpan economy. But all these other states were
extremely competitive.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And this list is for what exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
This list is for the most business friendly states in
the US. Business in the states, they are easiest to
do business and regulation wise and tax wise.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So they're saying is California is the hardest state to
do business in.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes, is the worst state. The top states, Texas won, Florida, Tennessee,
North Carolina, Georgia, Indiana, Utah, Nevada, Virginia, Arizona, et cetera,
et cetera. Oklahoma's in the middle of this list. Massachusetts
is the bottom of this list forty seventh, so practically
the bottom.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So the number one easiest state to do business in
is Texas. Yes, which is why it's kind of getting
It's been getting his boom over the last decade.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, I mean, you look at all these states. Nashville
is a huge, exploding metropolitan Tennessee's Number three. Florida has
multiple exploding metropolitans, as do as does Texas. Charlotte is
an exploding metropolitan. Number four, Atlanta's exploded the last twenty years.
Number five Indiana. Nothing for Indiana. Salt Lake City has exploded,
Las Vegas has exploded, Virginia has exploded a lot of
(15:59):
that's federal government contract stuff. That's a weird state because
it's on the fringe of DC. And then Arizona Phoenix
exploded the last twenty years. There's your top ten. Oklahoma's
population growth per year it's like two point four percent,
Massachusetts zero point four percent.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, you can't make it.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, how the fuck peak get the fuck American gets
so far away from the American dream to where the
app And I guess that's not to say much, because
you can always relocate.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I remember you told me that, and that was I
put that in the top ten greatest advice I ever
got in my life about glasses. Sometimes you got to
pick up and go. The opportunities may not be where
you anger that at that point, Yeah, And it sounded
so foreign because and I guess, you know, throughout the
history of black people's journey in America. You know, you've
(16:56):
always looked for a level of stability. Sure, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm just so interesting in Los Angeles because everybody's grandparents moved,
so they were okay with moving, But everyone's grandkids, no,
moving's not an option. It's kind of strange.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You're right, you're right. Something has happened over the last
fifty years where that has really kind of gotten ridiculous stability.
But looking at a play like that, anybody with hard
work and determination that's in the pursuit can buy a
property in Oklahoma. Yeah, majority of the population, if they
(17:37):
wanted to put in the hard work and determination, can
afford an eight hundred to eleven hundred dollars mortgage.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, you could work at Walmart and drive Uber at
night and knock that out in your sleeping and like,
here's another example. Here's another example. I pulled up as
I was looking through Oklahoma stuff. I didn't even look
through this. This popped up on my line. Oklahoma for
fuel costs, which is a big deal. If you're in
construction or you're in transportation of any kind, do you
(18:04):
have a commute to work? Their gas just got down
to a dollar ninety nine cent a gallon?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
In Olklahoma?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
What are you paying in California to commute from Victorville
down to Corona five fifty depending on what you got dollars? Yeah, easy,
that's that's twelve bucks a day. So how could twenty
a week?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So how can what did I Okay, I'm not into
politics again, I'm not into the whole left right, Republican Democrat?
But what the fuck did I miss to where the
average white person is not paying attention to this? Like
it's okay, glasses right? Because Glasses is completely disenfranchised. History
has done America no favorites. In my eyes, I don't
(18:52):
trust none of it. But how can white people be
stabbed bye, not seeing the thing that they believed in
the most in this country disappear?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Well, that's where you get that giant schism among white
people between you know, they really detest each other pretty badly.
It's been there in different forms and fashions over the centuries.
But the white left and the white right they don't
like each other so much. The white right sees all this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Thing always say, I always say the white right is
a white man and the white left is a white woman.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's actually true statistically, Yeah, would suggest that you.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Think of the mannerisms of it, like white liberal it
is like, you know, they cater to homosexuality, like white women.
White Republicans are like, you know, stern and original way,
you know, just very masculine energy. But I'm just lost
at how the fuck could America let itself get so
(19:58):
far away from the simple dream. It's so to the
whole fucking world.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It's kind of to me. You get into the evolution
of economies on a local scale, where an economy flourishes
when it's extremely competitive. But once that competitiveness matures to
some degree, when you have the ability to compromise a government,
which those states do California does obviously, then it becomes
extremely non competitive because major players, when you're at the top,
(20:29):
you're not looking to climb, you're just looking not to
get knocked off. So they're going to build a big
wall around themselves and make it so that no one
else can climb, whereas before there was nobody up there,
so everyone was just racing to the top. And that's
what you see in a lot of these types of states.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
So what you're saying is we're seeing money start to
kind of make itself elite and now the average person
with just innovation can't compete.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, and I think a lot of people view that
and they don't perceive they perceive that as capitalism. It's
like no calling Johnny Law to come in and kill
capitalism so that you can have a carve out. You
don't and you're untouchable. That's the opposite of capitalism. Like
people say, crony crony capitalism is a phony term. Cronyism
(21:15):
is the word capitalism is a totally separate principle. It's
closer to socialism than capitalism, you know, cronyism, so to speak,
on the spectrum there.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Why is it closer to socialism.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Because it's government intervention. You get government dictates as to
who can produce, how much they can produce, and a
what price.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
People say it's communism because it's still driven by some
level of society that's outside of the government.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, it's still private, but it's like, you know, state
of California, for example, will dict it. There's a ton
of oil in California. It's Jesus, a very simple basic example.
They will tell you where you can and cannot drill,
how much you can it cannot drill, how much taxes
they're going to put on that, what type of refining
you're going to be able to do for the oil
that you do, drill, where you can send that oil,
(22:01):
and at what price, all those various things. It's no
longer a competitive market. So like California's domestic oil market
is totally disenfranchised from the rest of the countries. That's
why the prices are so much different. Everything is totally different.
You can't compete in like the you know, the West
Texas crude, you know from eastern New Mexico all the
(22:22):
way through Texas and Oklahoma, that giant you know, reservoir
of oil, and even like in the Gulf and all
the rest of that cannot compete in the California market
because you can't bring it in effectively. You can to
some degree, but you're also having to pay enormous amounts
of money to even refine it to a California standard,
which is separate from all the other state's standards. So
(22:45):
that's that's kind of an example of market manipulation.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Something similized like catlic converter stuff, like you can drive
in Nevada and get the same Catlic converter that could
pass the California law, but in California they sell it
for twice or three times the price. Yeah, yeah, fucking
crazy people let this shit happen. It's totally against the
(23:11):
government doing. What the fuck happened to white people? Pete,
They not white no more?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
They got they got. It's not too dissimilar to what
happened with the white South and the lead up to
the Civil War, where you had a cluster of elites
that controlled information dissemination that effectively like convinced them, Hey, guys,
we know you're dirt poor and you don't know any slaves,
and this isn't really gonna do much for you, guys,
(23:37):
But those sons of bitches up north are trying to
infringe upon our way of life as Southerners, and it's
your job to fight them. They take out in the
same bamboozlemen.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
If you think about it, people didn't think that, like
the North had slaves at this point.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Not many of them were. Most of the states was illegal.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
That's a whole other story. But again, the North had slaves,
tons of slaves. But I guess over time that information
has kind of been lost. I guess whoever leaves the
battle controls a narrative after.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, and here's the thing, like with California and Massachusetts,
did they have something similar that there's enormous wealth concentrations
in both states, different industries, but same kind of layout.
They get, you know, an enormous amount of influence at
the state level. They're highly unionized states for public sector standpoint,
(24:30):
which means that some of the most powerful entities in
the state from a lobbying level are the teachers unions.
So you give it a generation and a half of
teachers unions being bought and paid for by interests. Now
you're getting, like some of my relatives been public schools
for a very long time, and curriculum change within the
(24:53):
public school system in California is enormous. That's true in
a lot of these other states. So you teach these
kids to believe what you want to with them to believed,
as it might beneficial.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But you know, you know who.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Brought the education back and long like the eighteen hundreds
and stuff. It was the Rockefellers. Yeah, yeah, And what
they did was from that point was just.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But I was saying that, I was saying that, like
even having the number one education doesn't really reflect intellect.
It means this is gonna sound raggedy. Forgive me to
everybody on No Ceilings podcasts, I don't apologize much. This
is gonna sound worse than I want too, right, But
(25:40):
so forgive me. I'm not the grade of your education.
But education can also spell indoctrination, you know what I mean?
Like they can they can educate the fight out of you.
Like you, these things feel so normal, like you could
be in Massachusetts and the fucking mortgage is five thousand dollars.
(26:01):
That's if the house is six hundred and fifty thous
what's the what's the mortgage on the six hundred and
fifty thous dolls hous fourteen hundred?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Man?
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Maybe maybe what's what's the thing that they just they
just passed They just passed upon the home. There's no
more thirty year mortgages like that, though they don't expanded
it out to being what like fifty How.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Was that pass I think that was proposed? And that's
another thing. Anytime that the government tries to make it
quote unquote easier to buy a house, that drives up
the base price of houses. When you only have to
put three percent down in a quote unquote marginalized neighborhood
or zip code if you meet it's whatever the hell
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type of you know, income, you know, local percentage thresholds.
It just means that there's that many more people competing
for that house to have to only shut up with
a little bit of money. So it's you know, it's
it's never from ten percent to eight. It goes from
ten to three, and it spikes up the price of
the house. And that's then people get foreclosed on because
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they're paying now ninety seven percent of the equity with
interest carrying every month. That's insane. I can't like the
idea that somehow that's going to help a problem.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't know if it's okay. So here's why I'm
going to even though I don't want to. This country
ain't getting nothing for black people to get no fucking house.
So a lot of the ideas, excuse my language, a
lot of the ideas, Right, I got black people a
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chance to buy a home, right, like an FHA loan,
like a three percent loan, right, But it's still going
to inadvertently fund a bunch of people who could afford
to put more percentage down for a house in them
same people start to compete for the same loans. Does
that make sense? That's what se.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, there's a tie in though where you can't make
like you have to be in the sixtieth percentile of
your zip code in earnings or below to be able
to apply, So it keeps that down. But what it
does it sets people up for failure. You're not going
to have. It turns into what I call the reverse
mortgage retirement plan, where every dollar you make goes into
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this house for thirty years if you pay it offers.
The whole time, you can't put money into anything else
because you're paying eight percent on ninety seven percent of
the price of the goddamn thing, which is then jacked
up anyway because now everybody's dumping into the market to
buy it, because you introduce the local area to a
bunch of new buyers. So you have no money to
do anything else for thirty fucking years to pay this
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out of a bish off. Well, now it's time to
stop working. You have nothing saved, so you just have
to start pulling the equity out of the house until
you fucking.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Die to eat.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, how do poor black people get into a house
at that point to change?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Fine numbers that work, especially thembers that work.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So you feel like the goal is really to like
we talked about, just get the fuck away to where
you could actually go and buy, versus creating programs where
you're in a place like California where is ridiculous and
now you don't have a choice drive or bring in
foreign investors to buy property.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Like I don't know if you remember several years back,
I brought my buddy Antoine and as a pastor onto
the show up in Palmdale. Sure, a long dreadge guy,
don't do it. Yeah, he makes really good money now.
He works in construction equipment leasing, does.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Very well for himself.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
He's looking to buy a house right now. But he
is rigid. So I mean people that work with him
that might not even make a much money as him.
They're trying to buy in Burbank, or they're trying to
buy here or there at seven fifty eight hundred thousand.
He's like, I'm not paying above six period, and I'm
going to go to Riverside if i have to, or
I'm going to go to Canyon Country if I have
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to or wherever the hell. But he's tailoring his search
around a big picture, you know, numerical budget that is
iron clad, and he's not going to bend for it.
It helps that he's single and have a wife barking
at him saying I want that house. My motto is,
I don't like buying single family homes because women buy homes.
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Men just pay for them, and you're getting a very
emotional buyer.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Shit, I don't want to be competing against a wife
with nothing to do except barking her husband all day
long for price. I'm not gonna win that one.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
No, no way.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I could figure out how much I would like to
know that I'm saying. It just seems like if the
American dream is the pursuit, like I said, that ability
to change your stars, If American dream is the belief
that anyone can achieve success in a better life through
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hard work and determination, I guess you're right, Pet. It
does come to a place to where, like you explained
to me, your family uprooted from where they were and
went to where they could actually do some of the
things that they wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Like my my grandfather, they you know, he has recently died.
He died with an awful lot of money. They started
in ray Jail, Calabria and some small town I don't
even know what the fuck is called and sister.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
They came in.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
They went to New York for about a year. They
went to Cleveland for about five or six years, they
went to Huntington Park. From Huntington Park, they went to Downey.
From Downey went to Newport and Palace Verities. Then they died.
They moved a rather fucking lot.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, look at me.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I know realistically, I look at my money. I look
at my taxi turk. I go what tax bracket at
by end? Percentage wise? Okay, I'm at the bottom of
the fucking barrel. I want to buy something. I need
to make somebody out of this body. Where should I go?
Hollywood and Chelsea. You can't find cheaper shit than there.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I had to.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I had to match what I was looking for against
what I had to purchase with.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
So it's so for seven hundred thousand dollars, house is
forty three hundred and SI No, no, it's not. That's
what twenty percent? Now? Yeah, ship, then drop that payment
down in three percent seven looks like you again.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Three percent on seven hundred right maybe and maybe you
get over there over there, you might get you right jack?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
So what's the fah and three percent?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Three?
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So it's fifty six seventy six for seven hundred thousand
dollars house with three percent down?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, little uh.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Fuck could afford. So that's forty one hundred and seventy
two dollars in principal and interest. Yes, you got.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Property tax that's inflated on because of proper numbers. Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And you got insurance. The insurance is one hundred and
ninety two dollars a month, and the more its insurance
because it's a FHA, is five hundred and eighty three dollars. Yeah, everybody,
that's seven that's five cherd. That's fifty seven hundred dollars
a month for all.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, make fifty seven hundred dollars work through hard work
and determination.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Do you know how median income nows media and income
now is like seventy two?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So taxes hard working determination? Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So why you don't catch me over there?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
That's crazy?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So why you don't catch me over there?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
That's why I left that's as fuck. I told you,
it's fucking two years. That's why I left.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I guess that now is I guess the truth now
is the American dream is like the belief that anyone
can achieve success in a better life through moving or relocating.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Horror, That's always been the case because because because mature,
because mature markets are always going to be overpriced always.
I mean, like, look at that old movie that, like
when Tom Cruise was Irish. It he came to like
New York and he's bearing up of boxing and then
he runs off into a field at the end of
the movie with a stick and claims some plot of
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land he finally got a house because nobody fucking wanted
to be out there. Because you're in the middle of
a field in South Dakota, nobody wants to fucking there.
They're like, well, give it, just get anybody out there
so the Indians don't come back or some ship.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, what do you think king about that? Does it
make sense? Do you get what I'm saying? Because I
know this is a really I mean, it's not like
it's but it's a really deep conversation about where the
America that black people live in where it's at.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Okay, how would you assay.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
There was one hundred years ago?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
How would you assess affordability? And see how from when
you were like a kid, early teenager to now, oh,
how much.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Could you buy house for kenny when you was eighteen?
I can't remember that.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Far back, but I will tell you this about it
happened when the tech when the tech boom happened. Sure,
you know, the prices started going crazy when the tech
boom happened in Bellevue and up there in Seattle. You
know what Gates and all them people, Amazon and all
them people was up there because at one time the.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Business loss was friendly. You know. That's why you see
a lot.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Of businesses leaving Washington now because once they got them
in there and they started making all them beings of dollars,
you know, Starbucks and all them places, Washington then.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Came at them hard, you know.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
So that's where they started selling the movie and stuff.
But as far as the cost of living up there,
it has risen. But also we're kind of like a
liberal state. So also we got one of the highest
you know salary you know, minimum wage is like fifteen
to twenty dollars now. Sure, so you can find houses
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outside of the major cities in Washington that you could
live really good and cheaper houses. But as you go
closer to the cities and stuff, the house will start
doubling and tripling. But you still got outskirts beyond the
suburban area where you can still find nice houses cheap.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Closer in than Spokane.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
Uh well, Spokane has always been cheaper than the western side,
sure of Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
But yes, you'll find some real cheap house.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
But you mean, like you mean like an hour and
a half outside of the space.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, by an hour and a half outside of Seattle, gotcha.
You don't have to go two three hours outside of
Seattle to find nice houses.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
But it's growing out so slowly, just like here in
Palmdale a two years ago probably and problem deal seems
a lot cheaper. Now I'm starting to see it rise
up and more people starting to move out this way,
you see, we're moving also comes higher things when people
start moving somewhere. When you was talking about Oklahoma earlier,
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there was a program I tried to do, call the
telsa remote program where they give you like ten thousand
dollars to relocate and do work from home there in Telsa.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Oh I've seen some state. Yeah, someplace in Kansas was
offering people.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
If you do remote homework, if you work from home,
they want you to move to Telsa and work from
there and they'll give you ten thousand dollars grand So
I do when you guys up Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, yeah, especially Salon is making a show.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
They still got that going on today. But when you
say that, when you say moving and the cost, and
you go back to Republicans and Democrats and stuff, because
I look at Massachusetts as a retirement state. I don't
really look at Massachusetts as an industrial state. I look
at rich old people going up there and retiring.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, it's a major research hub. I mean, you got Mit,
you got Harvard there, all upper class stuff, all rich people,
big time, big time.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
So when you say that, then you compare it to
Oklahoma City and say, as Republicans, you know, and you say,
you know, is that the American dream? I don't think
we have an American dream no more. Because from my
age group on, it was always about easy work. Sure,
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how to make your life easier. Don't work as hard
as your parents did. So your parents made your life
so easy that you didn't have to work as hard
as they did.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So somewhere along the line, that perceived of the American
dream then changed. It's not about working hard again but
again okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Always want to pass off a better life to your kids.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Did you make it easier them? Yeah? The average human
being would like to have everything without working hard. I
think I'm the only person who wants to actually work hard.
I'll come to that conclusion too, although I want to
work hard, hold on, I'll think cotton well, because there
is then how did you deny that? Right? American dream
(39:22):
is the belief that anyone can achieve success and a
better life hard working determination.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Now the hard hard is his definition of hard work?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Like, yeah, the hard work is the part that I
think is not there everything.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Like sixty hours a week at a desk versus a
coal mine. Yeah, it's different type.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Of hard work. Yes, you can actually afford a house
in Oklahoma with sixty hours a week at the fucking
publicle in Oklahoma, but the customer but the minimum wage
of Oklahoma too is a lot cheaper though. But that's
what I'm saying. Even at a minimum wage, right, like,
that's about what two thousand a month. You moved to
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Oklahoma and you married a woman, and you're y'all made
fifteen dollars an hour together, which hard work and you're
probably not gonna be working for memory. You're rich, little bit.
Huhred dollars an hour. You're rich in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I don't do it life like this. What's their minimum?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Like? Eight?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Seven dollars? Like eight dollars? Just listen to what I
just said. If you find a woman and you marry her,
and you guys go for the simplest job possible, seven
dollars and fifty, y'all bring on fifty. Yeah, they're rich.
I was an hour together, even though you're not rich,
that's shit, hard work and determination. No, you're not rich,
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but I'm saying eighty hours, right, eighty hours. It's twelve
hundred dollars a week. I mean to every two weeks
between your couple, between you and the woman.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
That you you're doing about thirty k right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You can buy a house, you can buy property, like
let me let me show you facts. Look at this. Yeah,
all right, I'm looking up relative dot com. Let's go
to Tosa the home. Right, let me filter, it's just
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the first home that pop It's a beautiful three bedroom,
two bath, two thousand square foot home, half an acre
for one hundred and seventy thousand dollars. Half the first
property that popped up. Nice, huge, Right, what's to say
the estimated monthly is looking at the loan program. Right,
(41:51):
let's look at the loan program. When we have three percent,
this is something that's higher because you can find cheaper. Right,
You're mortgage is fifteen hundred dollars a month. That's thousand
dollars in principal and interest. That's one hundred and ninety
two dollars in property tax a month at home insurance
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of two hundred and four dollars. That's mortgage shorts of
one hundred and forty six dollars. That's three percent down
fifteen hundred dollars a month. You get what I'm saying.
The average person can pursue success, wealth through hard working determination.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Part of the misnomer.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh, you mean the average family could do that because
it's gonna take that's what a marriage, that's what.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
But that's that's not average. Minimum wage is not average.
That's what I'm playing below average.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
So I'm saying two people.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
King of two, bottom of the barrel, under achievers, two
chronic long term.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
He's right. Listen what I'm saying, king, two people, you
can go and get the first job you see at
minimum way, the first job full time and house and
lived and lived American dream. But that's what I'm trying
to tell you. How the fuck did all of these
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other states get so loose? And I think it's to
what Piz said, market maturation. Nobody wants that, Huh, I said,
nobody wants to live in Oklahoma?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Would you rather live that's in a house in Oklahoma
on a half acre lot or a studio park by
by by MacArthur Park.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
When I was young, I would to MacArthur Park. But
now that I'm older, I'm taking, you know, Oklahoma, give
me that half acre, Yeah, give me a half acre.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'll agree with you on both of them too.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I was when I was young, Yeah, but now I'm
going to Oklahoma all the way, you and me both
on both sides of that. So I understand you know,
like you say to me when you say maturation, I'm
just saying, you know, it was the people going to
certain areas that call that maturation that gives this place
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where people are leaving that value that you say they
can now have American dream because everything over down. Here's
who bedroom, one bath house in Tosa, Oklahoma, a thousand
square foot on a seven thousand square foot lot. Right
if you put the three percent down, your monthly payment
(44:45):
is for your mortgage is four hundred and four dollars.
How much how much money is three percent down on that?
What's three percent down on that is? What's that? What
they have to come ten and eighty five dollars? That's
three percent? Yes, damn, that's its property right now, I'm
looking at it. Fifty thousand dollars. You can live in
(45:07):
and move in it right down? Okay, fifty this is
a section eight rental portfolio peak. I'm going there now
right now. I wish I had good credit.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You don't but that. But that's what I'm saying, Like,
and I think, and I'm don't get me wrong, there's
a level of fear that people don't get this conversation
right because it's like, sure, you can just work hard
and be determined and change your stars. Possibly in Oklahoma,
(45:40):
oh Facts in a state that supposedly voted for the
worst person in the world, every county that has the
worst education based off what they say on out of
fifty the worst quality of life, Like, but you can
(46:00):
down there and own a piece of the American dream
for four hundred and fourteen dollars a month. See, and
somebody else said that they was like, gee, man a trap.
I think Trap was saying that. He was like glasses, man, ma,
who want to live in those places? It wasn't trapped.
If somebody else was saying that, who want to live
in those places? I'm like, bro, you're a fucking adult.
Fuck you, what the fuck you want to live by
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the club were doing? Like right, hey tell her?
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Wanting to be with no fun?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But like, man, once you pass twenty seven, yeah, you
were supposed to start looking onward, Like okay, what am
I doing? Let alone? Whoever that person was, I think
they was like forty it was done. Don't be done there.
I'm like, don what the fuck are you talking about? Damn,
(46:50):
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You're talking to me like they don't have twenty two
year old stuff?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
He's there to do?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Hey tells us, I've been to tell a few. It's nice.
It's nice.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I've passed through. I've only been through Oklahoma City a
little bit. But I mean, like you go to those
parts that you go to those states, mans, these girls
look all right. The only the biggest difference is there's
a couple of spots in the country where it's like whoa.
But unless you like walking around with a bag of
cash and the back of coke, you're not getting those
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bitches anyway. You're just not. So you're getting the normal
girls around town, and the normal girls around your town,
and the normal girls around their town. Look about the
fucking say, And that's true.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
They are a little thicker down here, though, benefits a
little thicker down there.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
No, right, can't you hear what I see?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
You hear what I said? Seyga? You stay the house,
moved in it right now and your your mortgage is
four hundred and fourteen domes a month. Yes? Why? Yeah?
I tried to get to tell so with that remote money,
and they told me I didn't qualify. Damn.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Did you have to already have the remote job?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, that's the key thing. You already gotta.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Havesking hard and those jobs are the first ones getting deleted.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Man, if you got well, you can move, get ten
g's and move to Oklahome.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Man, I gotta find a remote job and with some
niche role of the company, just keeps or as the fireman.
Like I'm the only guy who knows how to.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Turn the confusion. Here's a three bedroom, one bad, nine
hundred square foot on seven thousand square foot lot. The
mortgage on this five hundred and eighty two dollars. But
just imagine I got the rent is cheap too. If
you're leasing or wrinting it, it's cheap down there too. Sure,
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sure what beautiful not like this?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
You know that's why?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh you can get eight nine hundred dollars one thousand dollars. See,
the confusion is that rent is the same?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Oh no, it ain't.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
It's more. It's more. You probably can.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
You it has a mortgage.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
M h yeah. But the three bedroom house.
Speaker 6 (49:17):
Shit, you're paying three grand down there, three average of
three thousand for three bedroom rent.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
There, and that's somebody who owned the property for the
last thirty years. If somebody bought it now, you ain't
getting in there for no more fucking three thousand dollars.
The mortgage is more. Yeah, that's crazy. You don't want
me to tell you how much the COMA is right now?
The bush? Oh I got you, Hold on ahead and
look it up.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Coma's talking about.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Dot com.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Is like, I'm going right to the COMA house. You
ain't gonna look at no townholds and nothing. The house.
It's gonna be about six hundred and fifty thousand in
Tacoma average.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Why we got the one man computer right here? And
I bet you he's right.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Also always wrong to you're looking house, I mean way
a born loser. This is a very odd looking house.
I think it's a house. You know, he's a looking
you get the first place about it.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
It's called architecturally eccentric, right.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Looking house?
Speaker 2 (50:26):
That's not It looks like somebody added a second story later.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
That looked like some Southern houses down so play blow
or something.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
No, this isn't Tacoma.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
That's the added a second story level later.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I don't know if that's like real. Let me find
something that you will. That's a scam already a Tacoma.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
That was that was an AI house. This is there's
a two bedroom. Because what's weird is they don't never
have no pictures of inside the house all out it
will be always like one or two pictures. It's like, bro,
what is going like?
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Two outdoors?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Sh like like they drove like you can see our shop.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Give you the little Google map. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
It's getting bad. On. Here's a house. It's a two bedroom,
one bath. Oh, but I wouldn't move the right I
wouldn't have there. I wouldn't move there. There one bath.
I'm already telling you the other.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
The last one was the three three bedroom, one bad.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Tell us how much the mortgage is? Twenty three hundred
and seventy one dollars. Oh they could kis somebody's that
three hundred for that for.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Two bedroom one bad.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
That's not a stand alone house of the townhouse or condo.
That's a standalone house.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, but it's something a bit how many square feets wrong.
I'm not gonna lie. It's not the size. It's just
something about the thing.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
When people don't take pictures of the inside of their
house and it be one or two kicks, what's wrong?
I mean you may have there's tendants who don't really
want nobody in there, and it's like like gentrification, like
they don't want to leave a house that's going to
walk into silly ship that's in the poor area. This
is on Pacific Avenue. It's on Pacific Avenue. That's really
that's where the holes be walking up sometimes.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Wait, where's that again? Just just just keep sick, I
like you know, it's partant statistics.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Here's one bedroom, one bath, five hundred and ninety six
square foot home on the thirteen hundred and thirty two
square foot a lot. Wait, hold on, wait, glasses.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
That that's a tant in somebody's driveway.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I know, but glasses, hold on, don't just tell you something.
So far we haven't here the three bedroom or anything. Yet.
It's always been one to work with you. This this
mortgage for this, this mortgage for this SX hundred, five
hundred andninety six squirl from home six hundred and one
bad you home twenty three hundred, twenty nine dollars, and
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that's what nine thousand dollars if.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
You were living in Tacoma or Tulsa twenty dollars minimum
wage pete. So do they still you're not getting that
twenty twenty hour minimum wage?
Speaker 1 (53:15):
But that's the manufacturer home glasses.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, that's a manufacturer home. That's what that is. Twenty
three I look at that now, I tell you, so
you would be at twenty hours an hour. You're making
thirty two hundred dollars a month before taxis you're not Yeah,
you're not talking about two three hundred. You're not getting that.
Oh that's a private owner. You're getting into that manufactur
home easy. I don't know if this is a manufacturer.
(53:42):
I'm looking at the whole set up.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
That's probably on the Old that's probably on the retirement
fucking property of manufactured Homes, which is.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
On so now forty third Street, living South forty third Street.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I mean the first one I see is three bedroom,
two bath. It's a town home. It's quasi connecting to
the next house. The shares a wall. I mean, staying
away from you from three ninety nine, three bedroom, one
bath three nineteen here.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, that's closer to the truth. He how do you
get the three bedrooms? Crazy?
Speaker 3 (54:15):
That?
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, that's crazy. That's how the houses used to be built.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
King three bedroom, one bath for three hundred and ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
That's crazy. Yeah, the neighborhood. You want to know old
If I got you I'll fight king. Here's a three bedroom.
Too bad. You're trying to get fancy. I know this
is going to be bad. Well, I'm just going up
to my house. I grew up there. We had two
bathrooms upstairs, downstairs. Because there's a white man.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
How are you going to the crips when you got
two bathrooms, bathroom and you gang banging? What's the matter
with you?
Speaker 3 (54:51):
H you got bathrooms?
Speaker 2 (54:54):
How about how you gang bang with two bathrooms in
the house.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
The GOFO was built around military basis, so we kind
of you know, y'all militants. Yeah, we had a little
bits are playing war games on the street. So we
wasn't poor, poor looking, you know, we probably like the sixties. Okay,
here's here's here's It's two fifteen South sixty fourth Street
and Tacoma. It's four hundred thousand dollars for the house.
(55:22):
The mortgage is three thousand dollars with a three percent
down payment of twelve thousand dollars. It's three thousand and
seventy six dollars. That sounds about right around there. That
sounds about right. You you know what I'm saying. When
I'm saying American, what's your home, Masgrege, what's yourchildhood home address?
Thirty five ninety six South Fowsett nine eight four zero
(55:42):
eight five ninety six South Fawset. I said, Tacoma, Washington
ninety eight four zero eight Fosston spelled how faw ce
T T C E T twenty an hour South Foster? Yeah,
(56:06):
no Foster half home.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Forty five bucks an hour is year pre text just
straight up twenty five times forty times fifty two three
Tell me again, twenty five bucks an hour?
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Question again? What's that?
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Afrigain?
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Thirty five ninety six, South Fosston.
Speaker 6 (56:28):
Make me forgetting now, God damn, yeah, he gonna make
me forget so many addresses that we told me I
had rof the bat.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
But now fuck, I'm thinking to my address I got
you live this Look how much that shout at homeworks
today it will for like three hundred, four hundred thousand.
They just sold it, this sewn it is today home
of Washington. Yep, they sold it for four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 6 (56:57):
No, because my brother got it taken a couple of
years ago from from it, and the bank took it.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
And sold five bedrooms one bath too. You know now
it's too five bedrooms, one bath to address.
Speaker 6 (57:12):
Then it's the same neighborhood. No, it's a four bedroom,
two baths upstairs and downstairs.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
No, that's not it. Okay, Oh let me see. Yeah,
that's it. Oh they remodeled it. Then they went in
there and remodeled it. Yeah, they took a bathroom out
because if you American dream. Look, I gotta let Pete go.
Do you get what I'm saying at this point, the
American dream it's not accessible to most Americans. Now it's
(57:41):
even in a more heart. So let me ask you
this question. Do you think I, looking at that house
I grew up in? Do you think I lived part
of the American dream looking at that your dad did?
Do you think I lived part of the American dream
looking at that house? That'd be the question, Pete, Like
(58:02):
you said, how you become what you became? Huh said?
If I was living American dream in that house, that
goes back to you, Pete, like, how did I become
a cripology?
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I was just giving you a hard time.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
He wasn't living in the American dream. Your father was.
Oh okay, you just was benefit you as a freeloader,
A little crumb snatcher.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
I was that you gotta, you gotta, it's a it's
a good thing is at the house, nice things.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Trust me.
Speaker 6 (58:32):
Through my stepdad, I got to see some nice things
of rich people. So yes, you're right, But I didn't
look as the American dream because my color when I
went out showed me that there was.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
No American dream. You know, even though I lived in
that house and had a white dad, you know, they
would still call me nigger in front of my dad
where he'll be fighting them like it was like that.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
So it wasn't still to me no American dream. Police
was still arresting me, pulling me over and as a kid,
and so on and so on. So I've never to
me got to see that American dream. It was just
a house that we lived in, you know, and everybody
in the school and that area had nice houses at
that time.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
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