Conversations On Selling Out

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
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Speaker 4 (00:14):
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fuck that with your low glasses, Malone, the creator, you're compromising.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Well, the reason I say this because you know this
investigative you know, homework stuff like that. You know where
I remember one time Glass you used to laugh like
they could joke about these, you know, social media investigator detectives.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, but now I think he's changing. Okay, we could
actually get some information off of this. I'm not Oh,
you're not no oh.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
I mean it's like when we was talking about the
David thing, right, it's not really I don't have to investigate,
like you just look at the facts and I think
I don't allow my imagination to be captured.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Or it's just like.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
We was talking about you know what, you just breaking
out the Big three and all that information you had
gathered and stuff was remarkable.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
That wasn't really me as much as I was joking
about investigating. That wasn't necessarily me investigating. That was ME
just catching on up what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
So segu was around for this.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
So twenty eleven to twenty nineteen, I had just went
down the spiral of hip hop. Right, we met at
that time, and I wasn't cognitive of everything happening in
hip hop at that time, like I saw the highlights.
So I knew Jay Cole. I had met Jay Cole

(01:51):
before Cool Brother, you know what I'm saying. He had
released his debut album, It did well. I liked his single.
Drake was a label mate obviously, he released his mixtape
that became a label project as well.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
The mixtape first before anything.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, both of them did, and I knew. I was
aware of that, but at that time I was more
in the know of everything happening in hip hop. But
twenty eleven, when I start, when I learned BPM, DJ
Head Shout Out the Head. He exposed me to BPM.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
It sent me in a spiral.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
It kind of pushed me into a hole like this hole,
and the hole went much deeper pause than I ever
thought like I just start falling, and when I finally
hit the bottom, I just started spending all of my
time gathering information.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Days, right, So I remember, so I do.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I was aware that j Cole finally got his debut
album out right, which was Sideline Story. I was aware
Drake got his debut album out, not necessarily the mixtape
that became a.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Label project, but his debut album right.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
And then Kendrick finally got you know, after Section eighty.
He finally got Good Kid Mass City out, you know,
through Interscope and Aftermath. So I remember these things happening.
I bought Kendrick's album. I heard both of the other albums,
but I wasn't Did you buy those other albums?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
I wasn't really interested, not because they weren't talented, but
mainly because I was just kind of doing what I
was doing. Supporting Kendrick was more about like, that's just
my homeboy.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, okay, I mean, this is my homeboy, and.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
He finally got his debut out.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
If it had been somebody else not your homeboy, would
you still about that album because it was fire?

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well, I wouldn't knew it was fire.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I mean maybe the rhetoric I would have heard.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
I bought My Crazy Life probably two years later, right,
which is why G's project. But like, so I say
that to say what felt like investigation wasn't really that.
It was just me catching up. I wasn't listening to
the B sides and the and the elite freestyles and
shit that was happening. I was like trying to figure
out the shit we was doing. We was working on

(04:03):
thugging and knock it out, and I was trying to
learn how I can contribute to what Sega was doing
with the music.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
So how did you hear about these leak sides and
B sides? I didn't because you weren't paying attention to
him back then.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
All I was looking at was the greatest highlights. So
like if we wasn't walking into a club where the
song was killing, you know what I mean, Like okay,
like problem, like what or that good is going off?
Like I'm looking at that kid ain't Tiger, you know
what I mean? YG, who was wrecking the party? Because
now I'm investigating, but were going out kind of still

(04:38):
doing what we got to do. So I'm keeping the
breast of what's happening, you know, And then I'm studying
with all of my extra with all my extra time,
so I wasn't up on like those freestyle leaks, those
five Am in Toronto's or Kendrick's. You know, it had

(04:58):
to be a big moment, Like I was only getting
the highlights of what was happening in the artistic expression
in rap music. So a lot of those songs like
we was talking about earlier on the stream, like a
song like the Jo des Freeste, I would have never
heard that.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
When did you first hear hear it? To that yesterday?
And how did you come about hearing that? I went
to this.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Thing and I was just looking at timelines of contact
and stuff of that conflict, and so I know what's
happening really behind the scenes as well.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
So I know the real relationship.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Between Kendrick and j Cole TD and Cole, Kendrick and Drake.
I know what's really happening.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
But you've seen the timeline and seeing that that was
slipped in, so I.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Started seeing music. So then I started looking at different
things that was making They may have not been in
the highlight on ESPN Sports Center of Hip Hop, but
this was something to the fan basis, And I listened
to the whole song. So I had to go back
and realize that Kendrick one hottest MC from MTV, Like

(06:04):
I think I remember vaguely remember that, vaguely seeing the
BT Hip Hop Award cipher like I wasn't watching that,
Like none of that stuff was big enough. And it
sounds crazy because this is the Hummy and these are
big moments, but where I was at, studying the past
and trying to make sense out everything that wasn't big
enough to capture my attention. So I went and listened

(06:28):
to all of those songs and I'm like, oh, these
niggas was talking shit, so like shit in my mind,
I almost thought Kendrick started all the shit. I thought
Control came out of nowhere because Control became a highlight moment.
Yeah you know what I mean, that became a sports center.
That shit was on Sports Center, like for real to
real Sports Center.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And that's what she like, you said, you're looking at
the highlight.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
That's the only thing that's making it to where I'm at,
you know what I mean? At that time, like that
was the only type of shit. Sayga, all our whole
team at that time, we were really trying to figure
out how do we make records? Then I started learning
hip hop was even more you know, like finger printage,
like more characters, like you had more characters in style.

(07:09):
So I'm focused on all our shit.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
And it's not uncommon to not hear everything the homie did. Yeah,
it wasn't an emmy. It was like you could go
down the quiz, you can go down the k boy.
Yes you hear that and be like, oh, I probably did.
I probably didn't because we locked in over here, but
they putting shit out all the time. So it's like
these is a homie. So it's like, just you happy.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's different, you know, I'm just happy that Kendrick is winning. Right.
I bought it.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
I went and bought ten copies, made he sign one,
still got it signed, feel me? That was that was
the success. I didn't even go to none of the parties,
and I got invited to everything. But I'm like, man,
I need to figure out, like he had already did
the work that I.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Needed to do.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
He had already mastered all of these people's styles, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
He already went and he was observant. I wasn't observant
of recording art in that regard. Like I was observing
of what was happening in the streets.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Do you think that most artists, when they're in their
creative timeframe are conscious of what else is happening around
them in the industry or they're more singularly consumed in
a silo of their own creativity.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
No, I think when you caught up, you still like,
I know everything happening now, But when you because I
was catching up like these niggas, even though Dodd is younger,
Drake is younger, Cole is younger. You know, them dudes
are five and six and seven years younger than me.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
They were way ahead of me.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
When it came to just knowing the history of recording
music and really just styles of making records and styles
of am singing. I was like a natural, Like I
was a gifted person who survived this different walk of life.
I was already articulate for me. It just worked out
for me that way. But that ain't what it takes

(08:58):
to be successful in the record Somebody better know what
the fuck they're doing.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
So, you know, saying what you just said makes me
think like, because you was at cash money and all
that stuff. So they had a team there, So why
you think you was tolling, like where they was able
to pass you up through the music industry and what
they was doing, but yet you were still kind of like.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
What's that word you was tolling? Tolling?

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Yeah, like you know, you're just meandering around until your
time fire. You know, good words, So no sellers, Yeah,
Pete Peter Studio.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
This is like the first video we did a long time.
I got my brother's.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Saga here okay, right here, So go ahead tell me
about tolling, you know, like because you say that alone,
because yeah, you said, like you know, you was doing
it like them. They're younger than you and stuff, but
yet they become vastly in their you know, direction of
music and you know, gaining with their gain. You feel
like you now have to catch up to them. So
somewhere you was tolling around somewhere where they passed you.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
No, it wasn't totaling around. I wasn't lumbering.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
What do you think they passed you up at? Like?
What point do you think he was like, Oh, wow,
they didn't pass me up.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It was cooking and they were in their house listening
to music one hundred hours a day.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
There you go but you was already signed to a
major label in.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Your head start because he was out in the streets
and they were in the room listening to music all
the time.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Oh so when you say they was younger, you just
mean you guys pretty much started at the same time,
but you was older in years and they was younger
in years. Or do you mean that you started before
them and they came into the nu street younger after you?

Speaker 4 (10:35):
So it's a little bit closer to what Peter's saying.
Kendrick was a rapper in high school. Okay, I don't
know when. I would imagine Drake started rapping pretty young.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Okay, see what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
J Cole, I think was a rapper in high school.
I was a gang banger and the sharm deller.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
So about what age did you start getting too rapping? Three? Okay?

Speaker 4 (10:53):
See, okay, it's not it's not it's not just starting rapping,
and everybody can start rapping. When they start rapping, they
started learning about the history of rap and recording artists.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Music nerds, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
They were students of the game. I mean, not the
age just starting. So like Kendrick, his first project was
like a he did like this kind of cover of
jay Z songs, kind of like where he did this
tape dedicated to jay Z. Then he did a carter series.

(11:28):
Remember Little Wayne, the biggest artists in the world at
the time, and he's covering their styles.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's what these mixtapes are.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
That's what these his initial mixtapes. Kendrick got a developmental
deal at Death Jam really early, probably around two thousand
and six seven when I got my deal with cash Money.
Jay Rock had signed a Warner, So it was like
we all had our own deals, but they were learning differently.
I was they Rock me and Rock was going through
the same stuff. We were both trying to figure it out.

(11:56):
We were the first ones. So Me Nipping put out
our first CDs the same year, two thousand and five.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
You guys verse first one.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Well, everything came out two thousand and five, right, Slawson
Boy Volume one. Right, that's Nip's first CD in two
thousand and five. Watch Finest Volume one. It's Jay Rock's
first tape, and then White Lightning and it's my first tape.
But they were just younger and it was twenty Rock
was probably like nineteen or twenty.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I was twenty five. Oh Okay, so that was like sixteen,
but he was doing music then.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
He was already doing music. Okay, I see what you're saying. Okay,
I mean, but not just doing music. He was learning.
Like I didn't know that there was anything to learn.
I didn't even know numbers was involved in music. I
didn't take a music class or any of that type
of stuff. I was just naturally dog. My first CD
was only so great because of.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I was.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I was the guy that produced it. His name was
Gary Gary Yellis.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
So weedoed the nose. It was because of him, your
first one.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
He was really Guedo was like really the music nerve.
He was the guy that understood records.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
He had mixed Diddy for paper Boy that was like
a double triple playing record.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
He had already co produced on songs with Rhythm D.
Rhythm D had a bunch of records.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
He did real motherfucking Gee's fuck his head already with
you at this time.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
So I met Head when I first started. For the
most part, he was he's with you at this time. Yeah,
But he wasn't a dj J. Yeah, it was just
a nigga that used to have had a radio show
at Sorito's college and he used to just party. Head
seems all serious and business his ship. But Head is
like was like a fucking clown.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, you know, he was a jokester.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
It was really funny, a lot of bitch, had a
lot of bits.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
He was really he can dance, he just don't seem
like it. But Head is like a very festive. He's
a social butterfly. Okay, just don't come across.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
That way right now.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
He's a He's a social butterfly. They was all apart,
Saga and all them. They was on this thing called
club Mix. They was already kind of in the party
atmosphere of meeting each other, and.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
But they already knew more like new music, like they
knew no.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
No, they didn't know music, but they knew how to.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
We was on our music tip too, so so Sega.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
So how I met Sega was my boy Jau So
Jau Smarts, Dev and Sega were a part of a
group called Misfits.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
They was out of loan Beach. I met them through
head Head knew them so they was no we landed yo.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Yeah, we did meet you through them. And then our
first record was Quiz.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah that was different, but I met head through them.
Head was he loved it, used to wear they merch
and everything, The Misfits, Misfits, smarts Man, Dookie Hard. That
was their first tape, and it was like so that
they were like the first guys I met. So the
first guys I met doing music was Bishop Mike Stro

(15:04):
Mike Stro is battle cast little brother, and I didn't
know he was battle Cast little brother. And Bishop Lamont
was like just this incredible recording artist that was like
he was a rapper for real too.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
He knew how to make records.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
He was in him c. He had studied this shit.
He was a cold motherfucker. He end up signing to
Doctor Dre. So I was like they were all of
these people that I'm naming are like people that was
in regular life, Like they kind of were Street of
Jason Sega's Street of Jason. He grew up in Long Beach,

(15:38):
but like I'm street all the way like I had.
I didn't know none of them. I didn't know no
club mixed. I didn't go to no clubs. We went
to none the hood functions.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Hood parties and christianshre.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's not that because it was a time boy, it
was a time that I did and I started getting
exposed to this world. Hip hop is the party, you know,
it starts at the party on the music side, like
I remember, think about it, right, once you get out
of the graffiti, everything else about it is the music,
people dancing having fun. You know, break beats coming looping,
the break beats people doing, they dance to it, which

(16:16):
became the break dance or break boys waiting for that
part of the song feel me, and then the loop
itself right, and then they make they'll make that into
a song. Hits the birth of hip hop records, so
they were all I didn't so when I was researching this,

(16:38):
like this is happening when Kendrick is doing his thing.
So but there's moments, there's nuanced moments that I'm not
aware of, but I'm talking to him. But I'm so
focused on trying to get my shit together and take
advantage of this opportunity. And I got a bunch of
people around me, and we all trying to learn at
the same time. That's when we had signal Hell you

(16:58):
call it the university. Everything was teaching and learning in it.
So I had already made a bunch of money. I
had already got a record deal, already had to hear
record and then now here I am learning the one,
twos and threes of making records and hip hop. And
I don't think everybody learned about hip hop, but I
think they understood making records. Kendrick already was a phenomenal

(17:22):
record maker. It's funny because a song he said it's
one of his worst songs, is to me one of
his better records. But he just didn't get to put
himself into the record the way he would like. So
I didn't really change, Like I still won't do a
bunch of deep diving on the internet as far as
like I don't feel accomplished or learned because I went
through YouTube and saw some information like that's probably not true.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
So that ain't really a change. It's not like it's just.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
I have to be exposed to something fundamentally for me
to really make a change, Like it needs to appeal
to my fundamentalist nature, like it needs to make sense.
So like if we talk like we did the reaction
video for David as a less, I don't have to
really look through a bunch of videos. I'm looking at everything.

(18:10):
The police said I'm looking at everything. The police said,
I'm looking at the timelines, right. So if I'm looking
and it's say September eighth, they found her body, which
is a day after her birthday. Rest in peace to
that young lady, because she passed away, you know, before birthday,
so she was fourteen when she passed away. Most likely,
I'm looking at the fact they found a body twenty
two days ago. That's a red flag. They haven't told

(18:35):
you motive. They haven't told you, fuck motive, fuck the case.
They haven't told you how she died. They haven't even
told you.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
If they consider it like.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Foul player murder, that's because they know and it's most
likely not. And you just kind of got to know
the history of police officers and cases in Los Angeles
to get it.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's not really deep. So it's like.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
You're twenty one to twenty two days in and they
ain't said foul play. Pete's like they know something. They
released a body to the family, So I get it.
I look at all the videos. I did see the videos,
and I'm like, yeah, everybody gonna have a their imagination
is being captured at this point. Oh man, you know,
this girl's down out he did a music video. They're

(19:21):
already in imagination land, not saying these things are not happening,
but they're connecting dots based off of their understanding.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
They're not looking at the only.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Hardcore facts that we have from the people that we
have to trust with information, which is the police. You're
not looking at the family, not coming out saying we
want justice for our kid, Like that's not really a
big conversation, Like it's been twenty two to twenty three
days that you be talking shit by now we need
justice for our kid. I mean, you're not looking at
the because people know kind of what happened. So then

(19:54):
it's like, Okay, take those two together and start fundalmentally
thinking why the police saying they waiting on the tops
college report. You thought it was because possibly your your
thoughts was possibly because she could have been impregnated, But
it's like they would have already knew that she how
she died. They would have knew she got shot, they
knew she got stashed, she got choked. So the toxicology

(20:15):
report is to prove what they trying to look for,
stuff in her system. They still trying to tell you
why she died. And maybe they're trying to be private
because this is a fourteen fifteen year old girl at
this point, right, But so it's all fundamentals to me,
like I don't allow everything to capture my imagination. That's
what makes it hard for me to sell out because

(20:38):
it's like I understand kind of what's gonna happen after,
Like if I like Thug, like young Thug, right, were
talking about that whole shit with him, and you know,
he put out this album he's like a white man,
and then he got a song right ninja, right, he
was like the niggers, My ops, these niggers, these niggas,
these niggers, and you know he knows everybody gonna talk

(20:59):
about it. But how does he look in the mirror after?

Speaker 3 (21:04):
It's crazy?

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Right, it's like these niggas, these niggas, these niggers.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
To the courthouse and did the free concert. Yeah, and
people was there. Wow, that's what that's what he does.
He doubles down.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
So what's the difference between somebody like, Okay, the people
they saying people are going to be like they'll have
white singing that song along with him. What's the difference
between that and white people sing a song along with
the GGA. Maybe he's making a stance song, like, hey,
what's the difference.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
I mean, I think so, but I don't know if
I would be okay with I wouldn't be okay with
everybody else saying this because.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I said it is the song like it's crazy. No,
I just feel like just the like the voice. Is
it like him saying it as he's addressing his ops
or is he saying it through the voice of like
white legal system words.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
No, he said he calling his ops nigger, Oh got you.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I didn't know if it was yeah, if he was
speaking for himself or speaking for like, you know, the
sheriff of whatever.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
No, no, No, it's just a song.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
That that's that's he said, I'm calling the hands down, right,
And it's like.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
But then you got the white face, So that's like
that makes it. That's more like yeah, but this attention, this.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Is the same thing.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
This is the same person that was asshole naked on
one cover, same person that was wearing a dress, same
person that had his fingers, the same person that was
calling his friends babes and my love, same person that was.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
That's why I said right, And so it's like to me, like,
I think that's why a person.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Like that disrespecting very much like you got respected show.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Because he is building off talent, like the Doug was
completely talent. I'll be with you, but talent, But Thug
is like extremely chelleged not saying his talent is writing.
He's a witty writer, but really his octaves, his voice,
his vocal selection, Like what he does is really his ship,

(23:15):
like he'll piss sh up at falsetto and that shi
will be tight even you don't know what he's saying,
but because music is what you hear.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
It still works.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
So you think Doug is like one of the greatest
and what he do, yeah, that's what he do?

Speaker 7 (23:32):
What is he great? Like Wayne Staling?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
What is he great at? What's he really great? Makes
him one of the greatest.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
He's good, he can make he can make records, okay.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
But what makes one of the greatest hit records?

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Just different? He's like I heard him Louis Armstrong.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
He's a cultural phenomena.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
Crazy so he and Louis Armstrong.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
He's a cultural phenomenon based off of Tom in Atlanta,
where you're looking for something like that, because hip hop
is street urban culture. He's a street urban cultural phenomenal.
Like he did something that when you first heard it,
like if you think about lifestyles and different things, the cultural.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Thing he did that made him a phenomenon because like
we said, he's wearing fingo pol he's doing this crazy
those things. Because people that the cultural thing that we
want to say.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Slang well, because you had a whole well.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
Old fashioned, you know, trends that he's throwing the trends
that were dress that that's.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
A culture that people started doing it.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yes, that is so say that, but.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
Also in rock and roll, it's a cultural thing because
he's like they more on like it's like hip hop rock.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
They definitely kind of it's like that themselves as rock stars.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, but to me, it's not considering him a rock
star like you would travel.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
So he don't make rock views like that. Okay, you
don't got to.

Speaker 7 (24:48):
Take that into account when you see the nails and
all the extra ship.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
But don't. I don't care because I wouldn't with a
rock star, like.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
You wouldn't say kiss is gay.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah, I mean you could. People.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
It's more when I was little, they want to get
a past. He was on shoes and you're still to
this day. Yeah, you gotta like some nigga at least bisexual.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, come on, he got it other ways. Woman her main.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
They pulled it off somehow, man, know, so so know
what I was saying.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
So it's like he's a phenomenon street up and cultural wise,
Like is his vocal delivery as a as a performer.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I could, I could see that. You know, he's got talent.
He's got. But I was more defendant. You know what
you said about Robin rob because Robin is great, you
know he is the greatest. Yeah, the same lane.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
But nothing that he did in that regard had anything
to do with the rebounding of basketball.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Well, actually you heard some stories and he would blow
kisses that players on the thing and things like that.
Sure get off that, you know, whispered in their ear,
things like shit, they get them off their game.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Large. Oh he'd grown, he's up there. That will be question.
You know, it would have to be healed.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
You know, they'd be like, oh, man, but I say
that to say that, that's the sacrifice you make. I
think that's also why them people do drugs. I think
they be trying to forget about some of this ship. Like,
I don't care how much money you get.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Man, if somebody, you know, if somebody sexually assault you,
you know what I mean, that's probably a lot to
live with. If you playing like you a gay man,
that's probably a lot to live with.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
You have to be dragged up, I would think to
even think about playing like a game man. I'm not
talking about before.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
I'm saying after, you know what I mean, Like, once
you wear that dress and ship and you paint your
nails and you call it your friend's babe, you probably
gotta be hot to even forget that you're not a
gay man, because it just looks crazy.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
There's no going back from that. Though, even if you
don't do the drugs, it's no going back from that.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
I meant recover. It ain't nowhere to go back to.
I'm just saying, I just go back to someone I think.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I think.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
I think with marketing, right, with marketing, when you when
you do something that kind of violates, when you do
something that violates what's supposed to be your your your behavior,
your code of behavior, then you have to live with that.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
So what you think his end game could be to
become if you already say you guys already recognize him
as being great? What else is out there for him?
If he's already people already think he's great, he's a
great you know, a rap.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Hip hop rapper, rockstar. Whatever, what's next from?

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Why does he keep doing these antics if he's in
already hit that pinnacle of being great.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Is he just broke and he needs more money? No?

Speaker 7 (27:53):
I mean great, but he just great?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
You still want to you still want your product to
sell to industry standard success.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
That's what I'm saying. Like he's doing it for the
money now, he needs the money now.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
So he still No, I think I think he just
makes music at this point, and he wants it to
be industry standard successful.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
He wants a goal to or platinum Marbels.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
And where do you define the line perfectly to separate
what's not necessary to the greater greatness of the package,
Like like.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
I'm crazy, like I've done like I've done it. I've
done some remarkable projects, but whatever, Yeah, I'm projects, but
without actual exposure and marketing or desire to that that
that you make it aware Because there's thousands of thousands

(28:43):
of songs coming out every day, you know what I mean?
So without making people aware that is out, people will
never get a chance to digest it. So like he's
making or what we call selling out to make sure
that people are aware in his just being exposed, his
brand is being exposed. Isn't there other ways of so

(29:06):
called selling out to where you don't have to go
to that degree of wearing dresses, painting your nails and
singing in front of the courthouse, you know, to getting attention.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I don't know. Tell me, I'm asking you in the industry, shit,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
I've been working on I've been trying to figure it
out this whole time. We had it, we if we
had it, we wouldn't we wouldn't be making hundreds of
thousand dollars a year we make.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
We wouldn't make a six days we make a seven
figure If we can figure out the difference between that,
we go from six figure business with seven figure.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Because this is just that you talking about not selling
out at all, though selling without selling.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Out, that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
The truth is like like you knows what I said,
like a spectrum of directions to sell, Like you could
sell out in a sexuality perception standpoint, you could sell.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like there's different ways of
selling it now in different way Like you said one time,
you know, he don't drink, so somebody came to him
and say, hey, man, would you promote this.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Alcohol every time? I try to stop?

Speaker 4 (30:01):
But said that could be selling out to him in
that direction because it's something I don't believe in. So
it's like it's like on the one on the wanted campaign,
I could have did a whole campaign where people really
thought I went to prison, but as I got closer,
it felt so fraudulent. I'm so allergic to being a

(30:22):
fraudulent person at this point that it'll make me break
out in the hives. No, Lie, I'm not exaggerating like
like it'll be like I'll get to that moment and
be like, let me stop. Nah, I can't do it.
But it is it's a sacrifice that got to be made.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Like what do you do?

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Like, so how do I convince myself to sell out
something that I believe in to get there? Because the
product itself, like the product itself is just it's a
tough time.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Is marketing a tough time right now? I mean it's
just storytelling because you know, we say we have so
much social media, but yet it's marketing but hard right now.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
But that's what you have though, you in a vacuum
where everything's essentially equal by virtue of just the practical
metrics of outcome. If you're following, it would be like,
you know, say you were live at a show and
you're tenth to go on stage, and nine people ahead

(31:30):
of you tell a story that is embellished more and
more and more and more and more, like a fish
story to where the ninth person caught an eight hundred
pound marlin, you know what, a piece of cheese and
a kite string, and you come up and say no
and tell a story that's very literal. It's going to

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be like perceived, anti climactic based off of the preceding
stories that have established a standard.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Which was kind of my conversation at the Breakfast Club
back in twenty nineteen when we put out Twupac Monks Dog.
It's like, I'm pressed to tell hardcore truths because everybody
is telling these exuberant lies. Yeah, so my truth have
to be unapologetically raw. Right, So like Tupac mus Dies,

(32:19):
prime example, Like right with Tupac Munas Die, that was
a perfect idea of me making something that was rooted
in a level of undeniable fact.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
For people involved. So then my marketing strategy was like,
I'll just be honest right now.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I'll be honest
right It's like I was trying to get Snoop Dogg
to cuss me out. I was like, Snoop make a
post cuts me out. Like I'm trying to market, right,
so I'm trying to get other people to kind of compromise,
like Snoop cuss me out.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Man, just go bad.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Be like, man, Glass, you out of line for this.
Put the video on your page. He's like, nah, this
this is dope. Glasses like it's a dope story. Like
why would I disagree? I'm like, because people not gonna
understand nuance enough to get that you could still be
a friend of this man and understand that this idea
is dope because it's rooted in something real.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I tried to get Lt.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Hutton, who was working for Morgan Creek, you know who
did the Tupoc film. I'm like, man, I use some
of the stuff from the films, you know, and look
at it like this. So in today's time since then, especially,
it's a headline game because it's so many different outlets,
so many different outlets, So you really plan a headline game.
You want to get the biggest headlines. You want to reframe,

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you want to reframe your story into a digestible headline
for different walks of life. So my initial thing was,
Snoop cuts me out. That's a big story. We could
run that to TMC, we could run that to every
hip hop blog, every hip block outlet. So then I
was trying to get the Hollywood Reporter and Variety. I
wanted Morgan Creek to threaten the lawsuit because I use

(33:53):
some of their footage. I was like, so, LT have
your people over there, tell them put out a report
that they gonna sue me. That's gonna get my content
and meet on Variety, in Hollywood Reporter and everything that
falls under it.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Right. I had a good plan, but they wouldn't do it. No,
there was like told outlaws.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Right, I'm like, hey man, like y'all, y'all say we
need to talk and we need to sit down, and
like all of these things would have got me. You know,
I figured out a way to get twenty five headlines.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
But it wasn't real. That's the problem. All of it
wasn't real. Snoop liked it, everybody liked it. Nobody wanted
it would have been real.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Had actually tricky?

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, how would it been real? Just because they said
that goes back to line.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
He hoped that he antagonized Snoop to the point where
he did that authentically. Okay, sure, well it's a little
bit stretch, a little stretched, some separation there. Why did
you do it solid?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Right?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I did?

Speaker 3 (34:53):
I did?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
He just thought the idea, you know, because he's not
he Him and Ice Tea are probably the two most
authentic and hip hop as far as marketing at that level.
They are pretty much true. The character Snoop is really
Snoop all the time. There's no different Snoop.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
So he didn't want to lie Ice Tea is, there's.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
No So I was trying to get them to compromise
because you would look better in the public eye. Because
my goal with Snoop was like, you just say I'm wrong,
post a video on your page, go off, put the
mad emojis last you want to line, you need to
check in little Hommy, And I'm like, I'll come and
apologize to you. That'll be even more.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
That was really gonna sell out like man, my bad dog.
I didn't know this would bother you like that. That
wasn't my intention. Oh you don't care about how bother this?
I mean?

Speaker 4 (35:51):
But there there is a part of me that would care.
There's a part of that care how that lost feel.
There's a part of me that care, how trade feel that.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I do care. I could, I could come it. You're
gonna sleep over it.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
I could know, okay, all right, sleep But that's not
saying you don't care. But I can exaggerate that little
small percentage, exaggerate like you said in Bellish, just that
because I wouldn't care like I care when cube or dumb.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Every life starts with a slivery of truth.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
But I can't get no okay, So I can't. I
can't call nobody my loves because I like nigga.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
No, I can't.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
I can't find the slithering truth that I can't pay
my fingernails because I can't find the slithering truth.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
And you can't fire friends that's going to sit there
in life with you about stuff, but.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
They wouldn't be lying. What's gonna keep it real? Like, hey, dude,
I really like this. I think it's dope. No, but
it's not about I'm sorry, little brother.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
I can't do this because his brand is more his
brand is more aligned with Tupac's.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Like it's like me right, it's like.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Okay, the dude you wanted to say, Hey, man, act
like you gonna sue me. He's like, nah, bro, I
can't just no.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
No, he was down, well, he was down, but I
did an interview on the Breakfast Club and they was
talking ship and I'm like, man, niggas is tripping my
shit better than the movie.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
And he didn't want to have nothing to do with it.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
They made the movie, so he took it personally, you know,
keep my guy like it's not like that. But he
just took it personal. But I think part of it
he just didn't want to do it. He was like,
but but I'm saying, I don't know why because that's
not him lying, like right, the company would have sent
out something that's promotion propaganda.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yeah, think about it, right, But were talked about a
bit more publicity because it's a video that should have
two hundred ye interview. I see what you're saying and
stuff me right. People that should have comics refused to
want to comic.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
So my my mistakes was I should have went the
top at this time and then made them push through
YouTube because you two kind of gave me a hard
time they wouldn't accept my ads.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
I should have forced my ass to be accepted.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
I didn't know at this time. I just had the
right idea and I still believed in me music itself,
like the ideas would just you know, make their own path,
and that's just not true.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Do you think some people am not saying snooping them guys?
But do you think some people just are afraid of
your you know, persona or or they just don't want
to go against, like really go against anything that you
do because to perceived conflict. It can have what the
kind of person you are, because like you say, I
think you squabble up with anybody anytime, and I don't think.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I don't think that's a fear that dogging them have.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
I'm not saying dog dogging guys is different. I'm just
trying about other people you try to deal with.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
No I think I think, I think.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I think people really agree with me more times than
they lead on, I think, but I think it just
be shocking because it's said publicly, Like like Ross was
mad at me about this particular thing I said, but
most people won't agree with me. They just won't say
it publicly because they're gonna protect the relationship with the
person and me. Is more like if I can be myself,

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then like I don't think I can exist.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
So you think of somebody say like it's so crazy.
You know, I've been dealing with you for years and
years and years and there's not really anything that people
really say bad about you, you know, So you think
people are scared to do anything, even if it's a
lie or not, to say something bad about you know people,
let's say something bad about it. I'm not talking about

(39:25):
content people. We talk about artists and people, you know,
people in real life whore gonna run into me, No
I think they'll say something bad.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
But I do try to treat everybody like I got
some sense. I try to protect everybody's shit with care,
like I'm learning just like you know, because I didn't
grow up wanting to be in a business. Like the
whole thing was cue that everybody joke about when I
was Cue is because I didn't grow up in a business.
I didn't grow up wanting to be a rapper. So
I grew up in a place where you know, as
long as you being a hundred about something and you

(39:52):
know you're not shitting on, nobody is different.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
So you say that, that's really say that.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
So there's an etiquette in the industry of rapping that
you did have an understanding of the etiquette and the
way they did things we first came in.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
No, I just think people lie. Ain't no etiquette, Like
you don't say nothing while I'm lying.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
So that's the system in the industry a lot of
people do. It's not a system.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
It's what makes you like It's why people will work
with you and help you because you're a lying Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Like like like Ross is particularly like Rose is. Like again,
like I said these in my top five favorite artists,
as far as how much music I listened to from
you got issues with all your top five artists.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Sowhere, I don't have issue with I don't have but
I don't.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
I'm five with you all say, but you know the
motherfuckers well, because it's music, right, It's not like there's
no person walk in God's great earth me that I got.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
It all personally, okay, me, not nobody.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
So you know again like if I'm talking about Ross,
I wasn't talking shit about him. They was asking me
why did I feel so compelled to state this thing
by fact? And it's closer to what p said, like right,
just like because I'm competing with people that tell these
kind of fairy tales at another level, like it's a
like Ross is saying he knows Noriega.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
You know you said.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
He got ninety eight million dollars in the Bank of
American bank account. Some of this shit is just crazy.
And I wasn't discing Ross. I was saying as how
much they're able to pitch their stories far and like
I'm over here like trying to stick to some level
of a script. And it's like shit like Peters saying,

(41:38):
like if you if what I was doing at first,
like if I'm talking about selling drugs and I know
that selling drugs at this level is this, and then
it's somebody like man, I sold two hundred bricks every
night for the last ten years, you know what I mean,
And then the audience don't know he is wearing a suit.
I'll never forget A dude told me that one day, like, man, glads,

(42:00):
if you was really a drug dealer, why you don't be.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Wearing a suit? I'm like, what the fuck a suit?
Why would I?

Speaker 4 (42:09):
And I thought about every film they ever saw, like
how would they not know?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
So you asking a whole.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Globe of people that's ignorant on this level of street
urban culture.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
So guess what.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
The only way they're gonna be able to truly inform
you at that high level is through a film. Now
social media is giving them something else.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And that kind of brings up somebody was thinking about
a minute ago, like if.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Compromise to outcompete somebody in the grandiose scale of the tail,
you have to beat.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
Them in the.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Really like unknowable details that the person who's exaggerating isn't
even aware exists.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
And that's kind of where I got to, Like I'm
at that place to where it's like, Okay, everybody said,
it's street niggah, do they know this depth?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Like like what's a hot.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Bowl or whatever you can cook?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
What's that smell? Like, what's the room smell?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Like? You know?

Speaker 4 (43:16):
And it's not and it's and it's not and It's
not necessarily as rewarding as the other thing, but it
is is rewarded at the highest. It's like if somebody
got a burger stand, Like you could open a burger stand.
You probably ain't gonna do the same type of business
McDonald's gonna do, but you could have a very if
you create the right business model, you could have a

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very successful business.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
I got a question based off of what you were
saying just now with the social media and things like that,
how and you know street and people's learning to be
street from social media and stuff like how does AI
plant the lies and stuff? Now that's going to be created,
you know, from people thinking they're street with the AI
stuff now on social media.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
You know, it's funny shout out to I'll give you example.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
There was a program I seene that would make your
car look like this kind of car, you know, and
putting designs on the car to make it look like.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
It's like on social media, like on social media ad.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Yeah, like now you got a car, but now you
can put these ds on it and make it look
like a lower rider and now you can post it
like it's your car, you know, but they took it
from your car, but they added stuff. So AI is
making people, you know, become more street. But they had
AI before AI. My people was already putting it on

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me on social media.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Well hold on, you're telling me all those stacks of
diamonds and ship like that that the big timers had
on those album covers weren't real.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Therefore, just.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
You're covering their faces right there.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
It's in the armored truck out there that brought me
and armored trucks open the money was falling.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Advertised timers tell me albums I buy.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
The only difference now is it gonna be a lot
more big timers albums got more pins and pixels everything.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Yeah, because it's trimming up people's bodies. AI is doing all.
It's writing their lyrics, writing their words, writing like damn,
make old videos for them and they just push go. Man.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
So you're gonna get a lot more big time or
album covers. You just ain't gonna get a lot of
big time or music. You're gonna get a lot of
more of the album covers.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
But you think that's going to change the culture or
influence the culture to go that way? Like we said,
blogs did, I mean?

Speaker 4 (45:40):
I think people already like Peter Sam, people already want
the shortcut to looking the part. People want to be
treated the part more than they want.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
To be the part or work for the part.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
I don't think they even want to be the part
as much as they want to be treated like the part.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Okay, I agree with that, treated like the part. They
want to be.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Treated a certain way that they really care about being
that way. Respectability. You don't what a lot of people
want to be treated rich fu even want to do
something to get rich. I don't even think they care
about getting rich. They just want to be treated like
a rich nigga.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I was having that conversation was still like about how
people who want the money they really just don't care
if they have the money, if you just gave them
the shit. But people with tons of money that make
it for real are way more interested in what they
do that's getting them the money than the money that

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they're even getting.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
So there's really no authenticity. There's the amount of peop
who are pursuing money for the sake of it and
actually doing it and getting it very very hard to find.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
I was thinking about Donald Trump, like, somebody asked me that,
and I was like, I think part of Donald Trump's
thing was don't let me wrong, I think it's always
more money to make. But I think part of it
was secure and changing his family's legacy, like now his
name is president, permanent forever.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah, it did have negative stint to it before.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
I mean really, I remember it didn't even have a
negative thing to it. I remember it was just like money.
It just stood in money people Trump.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Yeah, but then he changed, it changed and he revenged
this self. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
I don't think it changed to leave he became the
president the first time. I think Trump name always meant
money until he became the president the first time. Then
it became synonymous to some people.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
As like nothing.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
It was always it was cool.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
There was positive money that Trump's name was associated with.
Then it became negative money that Trump's name was associated.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
President before the pregnancy, with the toss all and all
that stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah, controversy, but yeah, you know what, but I don't
think that's negative money, you guys.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, I think part of it was, well, he did
it in nineteen eighty became a billionaire or whatever. Right
in the late eighties, whatever the fuck, A billion dollars
was a lot, there was a dozen people around dollars.
Now there's dudes out there who got a network that's
about one hundred times. So he's got sure so and he's.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Not going to catch those guys. You feel like the
small guy. He feels like he got left behind or something.
I don't don't. I don't think it's about that.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
I think he changed legacy. You start focusing on his name,
like no.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
More financial you don't think, Yeah, stop being a tape
contest because after that kind of money, it's a rep.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Like what's the difference between Trump money and Elion money?
Big difference, don't know abody because all of that money
is so far out there for everybody.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
It doesn't matter. It's what.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
It's what you can do in the world in scale
with money.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Like and their circle to not our circle here, but
their circle is different with money. But that But that's
what I'm trying. He could do a lot. The E
line would be shipped in their circles because he's new money.
Well that's different conversation. They're all money and new money.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
But so now what Trump did, to my opinion, Trump,
he solidified his family's name. Their name is presidential And yeah,
I think you're right about the presidential party.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
He added that you have power royalty to his name.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Power money people think moneyqual power. No money means you
can hire power, you can employ power, but eventually, if
you don't get some power yourself, that power turn.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
On you and all power at the end of the day,
really is is the means of deploying money.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
But you got to be able to well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
I think power is the ability to deploy something without money.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
That's why I I've always maintained that the richest man
walking the earth in any given.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Time, you don't spend the money because.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
You have more purchasing power at your fingertips. And depending
on how people want to adjudicate it, like yeah, there's
a lot of conversations, say, the richest man in the
world is a lot of repruting, you know, Russian books
are another conversation for the other day. But you cut
my ear, Yeah, estate even you were looking for practical

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purposes like Maduro in Venezuela. I mean, the man single
handily controls the largest oil reserve in the.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
World the world, so it just depends.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
So I think at that point, yeah, you pretty much
have access to everything so the numbers kind of go
away outside of being on.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Because it ain't nothing.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
You can't buy, nothing, you can't do. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
So so now it's just I think Trump started focusing
on power. It was like, how do I how do
I damn this worked out? I could double back, Like
right now his name is probably he's probably that name
is probably one of the most famous.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Names in the history of the world.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Might be like in the top five.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
He's definitely going to history books.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
You know what I'm saying, Like sho, he stole it
from his dad, didn't he because his dad he so
ripped off the Trump from his dad, didn't he?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
No, because he did first, he did better than that.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
I'm saying he took it from his dad. His dad
used to be the famous one. Did Trump had to
overtake it.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
And Nigga made his daddy look like nobody knew his dad.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yes, that's what I'm saying. That kid now now that guy, Yeah,
he changed that.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
He never stole and none of his kids, his kids
gonna struggle like they're they're straight his lineagere st Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I mean, so it's like.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
It's hard to sell out, Like it's hard, like like
he's able to do it in a different way to me,
like you gotta sell out a little bit.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
I don't know his legacy gonna be as great as
other you know, presidencies, letting people money's legacy is real,
have a legacy, you know, they're they'll make it.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
You know what I'm saying. The Kennedy's, I think he
didn't have a legacy like the Kennedy's had. But the
Kennedy's ain't like Trump Trump. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Trump name was money before it was legacy. His name
meant money, not bad or good money. His name meant money, like.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
To the point where that was how you talked about money.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
They lost that Trump at one time lost that sting
of money. I remember growing up, and that name lost
the sting of them. If you came a joke at
one time, but.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
It had a U shape and then the TV shows, Yeah,
that's he.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Reinvented itself with the free and all that.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
I'm saying, that's all a part of the same story.
Like if you miss a shot, nobody remembers the shot
you missed, you know what I'm saying, So like he
still hit the big shot.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Then they do that to young people may view him
like that, but I don't care what presidency. I don't
view him ass the Trump. You know, maybe new people
all young.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
I mean he only got a he only got a
bunch of luxury.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah, he's always had hotels that he don't own. That's
not his. That's not just as the name.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
But you're confusing ownership with control. You know, ownership feels
like it's the control is really.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I remember we had to give all that stuff out
of there away, but give what a way the buildings,
the Thomas Hall, that stuff, but.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
That ain't the hotels is named after him. Then he
used to have them until he had when banker had
to get rid of what.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
You're confusing money and you're confusing bankruptcy with poverty.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
No, I'm confused. I'm not confusing anything.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
I'm just saying that Trump to me, maybe to you,
but to me and where you know some people I
know growing up, the Trump name doesn't have the.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Money thing behind it.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
So who you think is right along at this point
about what the Trump with the money?

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Now, I'm saying Trump got the prestigious name, but the president.
I agree with you with that one.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
We don't think at this point, Trump is probably one
of the richest people in the world. Na, are you
fucking crazy? I don't every president come out the White
House rich?

Speaker 5 (53:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (53:41):
No, no, that's not true. Crazy, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Tell this man, Pete, go ahead, Peter, how much money
to Barack Obama gone.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Before he was president? Before he was president? He comes
from a rich family. That was crazy? You know, so
you just said Trump ain't got no money. You said
Barack come from rich family. What the hell drugs is
you doing? Trump?

Speaker 5 (54:12):
He's saying Barack got his money from being president. I'm
saying Brock already had money before he was president.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
What he have money for us?

Speaker 5 (54:19):
You know, his family, he comes from a good family
with money, just like Trump comes from a family that
got money.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
You know, he's probably one hundred times his What the
hell are you talking Obama?

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Obama got more money than Trump.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
No, no, no, no, no, he has more money like
if his like, let's say his inherited net worth.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Okay, was probably did the Obama get rich from being president? Yes,
so he made more money being president than he would
have had by one hundredfold.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Okay, tell me more about the numbers. What's the numbers?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Will look like it would be.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I mean, like when president come from that like billions
and billion hundred billion.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Walk you could probably walked in there set worth seven figures.
He walked out of the worth nine figures.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
If and if Trump didn't come along and totally have
a like gargantua and shift on the landscape. I predicted
what like twenty fourteen fifteen that he would be the
first billionaire president Obama would be.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
He got about halfway there till five hundred million.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Yeah, the Clinton family got about three hundred four hundred
million dollars. They didn't have squad. Who's going into that?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Ouyah?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I mean that that that that they're Their biggest financial
venture was that pigeon shit whitewater crap in Arkansas.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
But we're talking about a lot of money. We're talking
like billions or just five hundred million.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
He got.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
What I'm saying, you're probably not going to get billions
like that as a president is that's not going to
likely be able to put five hundred million coming in,
get a few hundred million.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
We're standing billions of dollars.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
He walks out, No, he walks in work seven figures.
He walks out word nine figures. Trump, Trump comes for
more money even with more money, So I don't know
how there you say Barack family rich and then just
saying probably I.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Still downward pressure on his network.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
So I think it won't.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
It's just don't gain some money, but not the I
don't think he'll gain the the percenten he would that
he would gain, that the rapid rate he would think
he would gain.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
He's going to not. He's going to lose something just because.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
It's right now him thirty.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
You think so, just with the tariffs and all that
kind of no, because now what.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Silicon Valley vcs and the big megafunds and stuff like that,
like and like his Trump social that tj dj T
symbol stock company for the growth of it's talent app
the usership, the amount of of hosting and development like
that technology, that kind of growth curve would have gotten

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picked up privately and then taken public and then picked
up publicly at a greater rate. But all the big
big money doesn't want to be associated with him. M
So it's probably costing him thirty billion dollars, but.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
He got three or four.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
The thing here is the thing he is king that
motherfucker with his name meant money, like you could argue
about how they do business, because his business always was him.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Okay, that money.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Yeah, but I'm saying he's he was always that's his
name in that, and he can't and he's gonna come
out with more. He's not forna lose a dying going
in there like he could have made more.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Probably he won't be his dime coming out there. I
agree with that.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
I'm saying, just like every other person, he gonna come
out worth more, you know, but his name always meant money.
I think you're going into the nuance of people talk
about bankruptcy. But that's because I grew up.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
With his dad. I knew his dad name was money.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
So you're telling me of a spoiled child that I'm
supposed to believe a spoiled child is greater than his dad,
you know what I'm saying. So when you say money,
I don't think of little Trump's money. When I say Trump,
I think of his dad's money that started this all.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
So yeah, you're right. Trump was a money name that
little Trump came up under. And now he made his
own name by becoming president. He said, became president. I
don't not not to me. Maybe to some other people,
but I didn't see it that way.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
I mean, as far as fan king, like, as far
as fame is just prestige, it's not even close.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
I think.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
I think you gotta really realize. I agree, you knew
the father. None of us, none of us we are
I'm too young to know the father.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Remember when Trump was running around helping people black people
in New York, I rememoring against the grain and stuff,
trying to become you know, cool and everything, when his
father is running slum buildings and things like.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I remember the whole totality of it and stuff.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
And I watched Trump for years because I used to
be like, damn, this dude is borrowing money from people
and getting doing this. And I used to really study
Trump growing up. And I washed his falls a few
times and back back up again. And so for me,
and I watched him try to get the bid for
Republican presidents a couple of times, and they laughed at
him and ship then finally he gets it. So for me,

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it was it was always him trying to fight to
take over his dad's name because he was always in
the shadow of his dad.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
He took over his dad's name probably in my eighties.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Nah, I think now when you, like you said, when
he became president, When he became president, I think when
he became that overshadowed.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
His dad's name.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
It so the team at the USFL, that's what I'm
talking about, television or the Supreme Court. We got the
USFL team.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
That's when he passed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
As far as awareness and recognizability and all that kind
of stuff, for sure, you think.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
So, yeah, this motherfucker one of the most famous. He'll
go down as one of the most famous humans to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Like, his dad was straight business. If he walked into
like I wouldn't if you held him up to me,
you know, hm, like Donald Trump's like like you said,
it was it was brand recognized.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, I mean like people see.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Home alone.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah, right, exactly. But but that is what I'm saying.
Like his plan ended up being better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
And because he realized soft value. So he realized, Okay,
you're building this building over there. I've got to a
point where if I put my name on it, it
increases the value of it by blank. So I'll give
you fifty million dollars, which would be the equivalent to
five percent of it, but I want nine percent of
it because you're gonna put my name on there and
I get four percent for free. And that's pretty much

(01:01:06):
pretty good how his whole shit worked.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Yeah, it's pretty good, right. Just a bad motherfucker, but
you got it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
I think Trump is selling out a little bit in
some of these ideas, but I think that's what makes him,
I think, to be a very great businessman, or at least.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
The one that the world recognizes. How about that? Sure,
I watched business Business tactics is crazy, Like people will
be bringing up he backrup. I'm like, bro, that shit
don't mean it's normal. It's normal. It's normal. He balances
out his books with bankruptcies with other companies.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Trump's biggest business is Trump. Yeah, not the buildings, not
the teams, not the presidency.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
He is his biggest business. He learned that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
And that's the secret that I'll be waking jay Z
and all of them to me do the same business.
Try to know they do it, they just ain't doing it.
They brother still. So it's gonna be limited, you know
what I mean, It's gonna be different.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
As I say, tried to get we born, I mean
the Golden.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Because they didn't got where he's at. Jay Z is
a billion there on papers. So once you get to
that level, what's next then come to president. That's jay
Z gonna be president. Governor Sean Sean Carter for president sewn?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
If you can see it coming?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
You heard it on this podcast, Governor Sean Carter.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
It would be really interesting if he tried to slide
through and hip check aoc out of what's his name?
The you know, the older guy who's the Senator of
New York, the god damn guy's name.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
This TM it's coming. He'll be the governor or or
the mayor of New York if he if he tried,
if he wanted to, it's gonna happens. Then you think
he's going to. Donald Trump wrote the playbook.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Mhm, they anybody can Donald Trump can there what's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
And it didn't work. No, the the dude with the
big financial publication. I know you talked about he was
like the mayor of New York.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, I know you talked about not Callmo years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Yeah, you gotta sell out a little bit, and I
just can't figure out what to sell out, like ship
just everything feels like it's too much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Everything feels like, well, you're good until.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
Somebody wants to you know, choke your piss on you.
Those those are you know, you're good. You know you
got a whole open lane to go.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
But I'm trying to what's the closest thing, Like, like,
what's the closest thing?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
What could I really concede?

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
I thought it was good that you started our reaction videos,
you know, and extending the podcast stuff, you know, instead
of just having this podcast, you went to the lunch room,
you know, doing streaming you know for it. Now you
dont reactions. That's tied all back through that to this
to me that you you know, trying, not selling out,
but trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
But that just becomes more stuff you gotta market, That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
But you're trying, but you know you got to do that.
But to me, that's not trying, right because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
That's not content. It's more just like methodology.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
That's not really trying, Like like what you mean, it's
not trying. You just do it because you're doing it, okay,
Like I couldn't doing it at first.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
But that's just because I also understand how much of
a burden and the responsibility.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Is well having no no for facts. Yeah it is,
you know, But that's the point because to you doing
it is the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
To me is like what am I doing? So it's like,
how do I explain it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Look like you up to something, pete with your fingers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
No, I'm trying to make sure that I'm primed for
whatever the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Reason and what.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Man, it's like you have to conceive. You have to
conceive something. And it wasn't like I've had a problem
with doing reaction videos. I just didn't see the business
in it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I still don't.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Yeah, it was hard to get you to even like
where he ain't wear jewelry or nothing, I don't see
the business.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
He's like like on horse, he won't round up on horsepower.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Comes with a horse.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
He good with three hundred and ninety six horsepowers even
though horse.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
With fort leane do it with it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
No, but y'all talk about two different things, you know,
So I'm like leading those two things together. So it's like,
if you have to conceive some of your points, you
can't just stand firm like I mean, I would imagine
it's not impossible. Like Kendrick I think does a decent
job of standing firm, but it's a million other things
that go into it, Like okay, like when we did
the reaction video, Like if I doubled down on my

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theory and then just stared on it blindly ignorantly, that
would have went viral.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Like how we talk, So we're talking about the stuff
that happened with the with David and the little girl,
and I'm like.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Okay, based off of these facts. I know we talked
about that already on the podcast. We know it's not
read back to that again, but.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
It's not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
I'm gonna tell you how it connects.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
If I would have blindly, ignorantly just act like I
was sure and then tripple and doubled down on it, right, Like, yeah, nah,
she did this to herself.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
You know, this is her fault, little fast girl. I
could have did everything to accentuate that idea some people.
But if I would have, then even though you left
your way, you know, you said it's possible that something
you know, but some people really believe you did double down.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
But that but that's the point, Like, that's when it
becomes you have to versus people believing it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Like people felt like I did tupac even though I
didn't say, but then I could have this tupac and
then now you get that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
So that's the point, like you got to conceive something
you can't stand firm in your beliefs. And you know
what I mean, I think you could be a great shepherd,
like a shepherd of shepherd. I think it's really tough
to do it with sheep, Like you're gonna have to
conceive some things to make sheep to move the way
you want them to move.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I just think so.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
I mean, I could be wrong, but and it's hard
for me because I just can't see it. I can't
see how could I look at myself by giving people
something that I don't genuinely look at yourself as a shepherd,
I know I am. My problem is I'm a shepherd
of men. I'm a shepherd of shepherd.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
That's what you meant by that, and not a sheep. Yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
What it takes to move hundreds of thousands of sheep,
you have to conceive something, so I have to maximize
it being a shepherd of shepherd. That's why people who
everybody respect.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Me shepherd and hence why Snoop wouldn't talk bad of
the figgers.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Talk that for you I'll talking about that for the
two Well he didn't have to. But the fact he
didn't have to talk bad. See that's my point. So
the thing is like, even how you taking what I'm
saying right, and you're taking simple things like you right,
people said that, Oh Glass, I can't believe you said that.
I didn't say that. So when they get to it,
they always say, E didn't say that, like thug, if

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thug would have been like nigga, And then he just
made it kind of like he could.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Have been saying it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
No, he said nigger. If you get to say I
wear a dress and then that's what you had versus
him wearing a dress. Yeah, I'll pay my fingernail versus
him actually painting his fingernails, you know him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Oh, you know, you gotta go through with it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
And I just ain't never like the celesting. It's an
intellectual stance for me. Right, It's like, okay, they're waiting
on the toxic cology report. My brain actually says she's
probably overdosed. Now here are my theories why she have
made of overdose? Because they said, here's the fact. Now,
if I could just ignore that like everybody else, and

(01:09:10):
you know, all, no, man, its just shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
You know it's it's you know, she got her pregnant.
They were hanging out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
And he said he's trying to leave her.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
I still say she could she pregnant?

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
I'm saying, really, nothing would make you think there's no
fact that makes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
You think that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
Why is there gotta be a known fact to make
me think that. Why can't it be an unknown fact
that makes me think that unknown variable? Why does it
have to be I understand that you could go on
factualness or how you come up with things, which is
sometimes which we said my dilemma is okay, So if
I had imagination like yours, it's not imagination.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
I just think of variables.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
That's imagination.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
It's not just because they inconclusive, are not even in conclusive,
because they're in the same conclusive. Just because they didn't
give the report out doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Like you say, you don't know for sure, but.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
It's contrived first deduced, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
I like that. I know that's a good word.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
So anything still as possible, because I think maybe they
didn't do it so they could get their stuff all
corrected in order.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
I don't know la. So it could be cap. It
could be cap. You know, I still think he did it.
I'm not saying he didn't do anything.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
I'm telling you. She's like, and see, this would be
my problem. This is where you can't have a marketing
meeting because Niggas is like not open to the discussion.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
This would have been passed discausin, he said, because I
said my opinion, we move on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
But that's not what this That's not what this is. Right,
this is a just opinion of outcomes. Listen, I'm here's
my dilemma. I need facts to do things. You don't

(01:11:01):
need facts to do things. But we're talking about your dilemma,
not mine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Well, that's what he's to find, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
So it's your dilemma. We understand that that's your dilemma,
but you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
If you do that because you need facts do things.
What within the confines of the facts can be those things?

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
It depends specifically, Right, like with the Tupac must die
snoop factually should be upset?

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Why should he be?

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
It's different what factually he should be upset for that?
Because people are going to say he's Tupac's friend. And
that was somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
And I'm telling a story right that could be perceived
as negative or what fact?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Why is that facts? He should be like, I don't
think that's.

Speaker 6 (01:11:43):
So somebody said your friends should die. You wouldn't take
offense to it or have to check him like he
what is this mean?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
I don't think his video likes. Dude really looked at
the videos.

Speaker 6 (01:11:51):
So what I'm just saying, like, if it was your friend,
it goes your homie And he was like a song
came out with you know one of your homies name
they must die. You're like, even even if they was alive,
you'd beat That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Like it again, No, I'm not you want my real truth. No,
I don't. Can't pick me into something because I like
my answer. That's the point of marketing. I would not
be upset. And this is what I'm surround that situation.
The thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
The thing is that it's the difference between getting people
to go into the theater to watch the movie what
they think after they saw the movies.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
But when you asked me a question on how I feel,
it's not marketing no more, we're not asking you how
he did. And you said how would you feel if
that was your friend and somebody said that. I'm telling
you I wouldn't know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
But I'm just saying, like if he was the artistorical artist,
I mean, you knew an artist, you knew, but so
is somebody somebody for me, I'm saying this fact showed that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
You're saying that everybody that has a friend dying and
if somebody makes a song or talk about them, they
should have some type of bad feeling.

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
No, we didn't say it's just like a matter of
saying addressing it. You know, you would have dressed. This
is why have marketing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
This is why I'm flying with people. You have marketing
conversations with.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Like because he can't even open past the thought of himself.
Capturing is the rest of the world. So when I'm
talking about you, King, I'm saying, identify with the rest
of the world. Now, King, I'm saying, though, most people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Would not be tripping if this is the comment.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
I don't think most people would be tripping if they
see that video about their friend. Yes, I'm saying that
I don't think most people would be tripping.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
That's why I can't talk to you about it, because
now or saw the title initially.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
The video the video I just said the title. I said,
seen the video and be tripping? You know, if it
was different about we're not talking about that. We're saying
what's gonna make them go in the theater? That's why
you use that term in the theater. That's okay, I
understand your marketing stuff you're saying, so you know, yes,

(01:13:59):
you're right idols and the way you put things, yes,
we'll get people engaged. You know, But we had said,
you know about is it because people feel that certain
type of way about their friends? Is that you know
what I'm saying, like, that's your marketing thing is well,
we know we know people feel a certain way about

(01:14:19):
their friends dying, so we know that's a marketing strategy.

Speaker 7 (01:14:22):
Is that that was the aspect of the snoops that
you know what I'm saying that is that what you're
saying is the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Marketing lady, two different things. So simply put right, Okay,
you said factual, that is factual. Had you said factual
and I'm saying, how is it factual?

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
You had said that you're a shepherd of shepherds, sure,
and you're trying to be a shepherd of sheep this exercise,
you go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Cats No, but he said factual. So I'm trying to
you know, why is it factual? What makes a factual?
Your mind?

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
In my mind, I wouldn't say that's factual. It's all
I'm trying to get you to understand. Because you say
people feel this type of way, so that will make
it factual. I'm saying, well, I don't think everybody feels
that way.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
So that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
That makes it facial king listen, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
So that's why I asked you what't made that factual?
That's how I said what makes that factual? The perspective
of the outrage itself makes it factual.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
You know, the simple title? You know, simple title makes
it factual. You saw it, okay, you saw people being outraged.
Not everyone, but a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Niggas was mad focus.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Of people people, And we said so when we say so,
when we say everybody, we're saying most people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Okay, right, So that becomes the door that wants people
of Tupac fans.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
People who were who observed the situation in general.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Because we just said a few people that wasn't mad
about it, they voiced it but they were the exception.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Almost everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
That's if you had a meter and zero pissed, thrilled.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disagree with you with that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I mean, you saw it. I'm not gonna disagree with
you with that. But but that's not the point. The
point is right, your goal with marketing is more like psychology.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
So again, so when we're saying something to you, like specifically,
like why snoop is because it would be considered and
deemed factual. This is why people can believe it. This
is why people could believe that Morgan Creek could sume
me because I did use their footage without permission.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
It would come across factual because he used our footage
without permission.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
No, got it, Hey, keep going, I'm just gonna keep going.
I'm just listening. Keep going. I'm listening. I'm listening. It's
not that deep. So I'm a student. I'm listening now.
But this is the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Right, So it's like, so if I can't do it,
my goal is to get somebody else to do it.
It's like, right, okay, so Morgan Creek, I can do
something that's factual, then I just have to be willing
to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
But that's what you do. I thought you do factual stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Yeah, but then now you still now have to you
have to market it and make it a thing that
people want to walk into the movie theater and watch
the man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
You have to figure out a way to entice people
into being more interested in the literal than the hypothetical.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I don't disagree with that. What's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
The problem is how how do you do it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
The question is what is execution?

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
But that that that's what we started with selling out
and how do you do you guys sell out to
get that comment you know stuff or not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
We're back to that point. But that's what that's what
we say. So now we'll have an answer that we're
still So what is selling spasion of it?

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
The snoop dogs, right, the snoop dogs? Okay, So glasses
can't go dress up like Tupac and lay in the
middle of the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Where you got shot at. Oh you can, No, I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
If I could, I would, you know, why couldn't you.
It's not gonna help me. It's not gonna let life,
ain't gonna let me. Okay, go on, though, I could
have named the song fuck Tubac.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Life ain't gonna let me. M Yeah, go ahead, finished
though life, I need to kill two Pac.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Life ain't gonna let me. So you I have to
do things that fit my brand right whoever I can be,
because my goal is to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Be whoever I can be.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
I can't beat somebody today, and then if I can't
be on tomorrow, your brand is over.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
No, I agree about your brand. You gotta do certain
things with your where your brand runs. I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
So so that means that I have to stay true
to brand based off what I can expand on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
So now the thing is like what else can everybody
else fit into? How can I reframe the story? So
the goal was to reframe the story into headlines. Here
are the headlines. Here are the best ideas I came
up with for headlines. No, everybody fell through, and it
wasn't because it didn't fit their brand. It's just because

(01:19:13):
something else. I don't know what the other else was.
I could take some guesses in the dark. Okay, you
know what I mean, But I think it's Tupac Snoop
could have said that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Because you said that, you feel like it wouldn't mess
with his brand, wouldn't turns it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
It would do nothing but make his brand stronger and
make it more respectable. If Morgan Creek did the same thing,
it wouldn't do nothing but make it more respectable. If
I go out there, lay out in the streets like
fucking tuparking like I shot cut my head, it's gonna
tornish my brand.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
It's gonna go boral like a motherfucked But yeah, you're right,
it's that nigga. Would you do that?

Speaker 6 (01:19:52):
Say, let's say if you were shooting a movie with
things change, If you were shooting a film, and would
you be willing to like put certain aspects in the Oh,
that's probably different, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
I don't know, because I don't think I would suck
a dig in the.

Speaker 7 (01:20:04):
Movie, not like that, like something like wearing change.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
So you you know, like you know, it's the same
that sucking a dick to you. Yes, okay, well we
can't That's where it is. That's what per said. We
can't change that. Like, could I be a snitch in
the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
I don't know. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
If I'm best more shoes in the actor. Well, No,
I agree with you because acting, you know, like, there's
certain things I could.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Would you be?

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
Would you be a crackhead?

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
I don't know. I could be a crackhead in the
movie Crackhead. Yeah, but can you sellout selling out crackhead?
What is it? I'm not saying.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
So you had those one of the greatest.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
Crackhead that means I gotta suck dick and do all
that stuff. What if one of the role, what if
one of the parts of the road is and you
need to suck dig for cracks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
And I wouldn't be a crackhead. You just so you
just told.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
A crack heads every crack hid then suck dick, can
do all that some d something.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
I wouldn't take that role.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
If that said that, but was gonna pay you ten million,
I wouldn't, man, I wouldn't suck twenty million.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
No, you don't have to sub you have to know
no that even playing like that and stuff, I wouldn't
do that. I wouldn't. What You're gonna have some duke
standing from me. I'm on my knees to get the
funk out of here. You you got to be sucked up.
You got me up. I get nerves them up. But
it's this close to me and ship man, No, he know,

(01:21:34):
he don't know. I need to get some more sellouts.
Yeah yeah you really did?

Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
You know, media, I can be a crackhead if the
inate you did, even.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
Dick, I'm not room because I understand myself that you
can't live with yourself. I couldn't face people doing that.
I couldn't even think about what if they gave you
an oscar for the room? No, no, I was joking around.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
I'll tell you. I was drink around the other day
that I told Door that you know, people asking where
are you? Are you okay? I said Door, I should
go jump in this garbage, can you know, saying outside
here and take some pictures like hey, I'm making it
and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
But stupid, you know it's I didn't but you can
catch me on this door like doesn't make you feel
embarrassed or something because it's just the skit. Like, but
that's the kind of ship I could do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
I was amazed.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
I wanted to I should jump in there and just
take a bill like, well you okay sitting in the
door making a.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Get that like like okay, I gotta I got to
eat some food and paning down.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
To you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Get them. I'm like you okay where you are like
the show?

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
You know, I'm okay, you know watch the show, but
yeah doors like nah man, I was like, you embarrassed
if I did that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Like you be embarrassed because you know me. But that's
the kind of show I think of. So to me,
I didn't think of me selling out doing that. It
was just a joke, you know, like this is be fun.
What about all the people? What about letting people believe it?

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
Yeah, letting people be leave that and then the people
that's going.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
If they believe that, then after I said, you know,
linked the show that we do to it, then let
them be dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
See I can't do that. It's not for me. I'm
showing you it's a joke.

Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
I always see where you're going because it's like it's
on one end, it's like skit.

Speaker 7 (01:23:42):
On the other hand, it's like, so where's the where's
the line?

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
But what that?

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:23:47):
It's like, Okay, how are you presenting it?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Are preventing? Like, let me ask you a question. What
does the hurt comedy? I am sleeping homeless in the
garbage can.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
Oh that's what I'm saying you sketch comedy or you
brand as far as you if you were homeless.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
This is my real my I don't have a homeless brand.
That definitely would be a homeless brand. That's why it's
a skip. Because we don't have a homeless brand. That's
why it's a skip.

Speaker 8 (01:24:10):
What if it went viral, Well, if you had a virus,
it should put people to hear and then hopefully hold
on then't hopefully because I thought about this too, hopefully
they'd be like, listen, that nigga some money and get
them the place.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
You don't feel like that's fucked up?

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
You know, like what if that happened?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Right? And then we did? Because I was thinking it's
so fucking funny.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
I would laugh all the way to the people that
don't make dominating the money think it's funey, yeah, because
if they really believe that I'm homeless, yeah, seeing me
here every week and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
On the show, shut down your shut down what they
call that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
But you raise money with your fund, shut your funny.
If I'm keep it real.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
If you're gonna do something like that, you you better
off going to going on TikTok and going live, Go live,
just no, No, that's what I'm saying. No, No, you
know hear me, You're not hearing me. What I'm saying
is for the joke that there's a there's a space
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
You know what.

Speaker 6 (01:25:06):
I'm just saying this, there's a there's a lane for that.
In that lane, if you went live on TikTok on that,
you would go.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
There's a very few homeless working TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Yeah, you would go.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
You would get some viewers, you would have at least
two three.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
That was my mind, Joe, Like you know, like basket,
these motherfuckers keep asking you.

Speaker 7 (01:25:23):
I'm just saying, if you're gonna do it, do it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
I should do that.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
Ship you're gonna do it, that's that would be.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
The lane you're selling out. It's tough. It's like, how
do you do it? It is like, but that's what
I like.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
It was funny, but I said no, but I thought
it would be funny and a good response, Like we
got this new song.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
I just got to figure it out. I know what
the basic kids basics is, and now how do I
sell out? That's been my problem since I've been a
little kid. How do I sell out?

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
What you mean on on the one coming out on
the fourteenth. How do I sell out?

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
How do I how do I give a little bit
of myself to get the biggest results, so everybody will
look at you, not me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
They gotta look at the goddamn she got. They gotta
look at you the direct them to it. No, No,
you can't do like little nas dead. You can't do
like you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
You notice why you know why these people did they
be having like but naked dancing team not to say like,
you can't do none of those Megga krip walk can't
walk down the street.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Yeah, he said naked crip Wall. He's stupid on that one.
You know, Yeah, he's stupid on that one. Naked krip
Wall's stupid. I'm saying, here we are he's stupid. Though,
that's that's the de limit.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
So that that's kind of been my point, you know
what I mean, Like, what do you do? How do
you concede some part of yourself to achieve the maximum potential,
the maximum possibilities.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Of what you can do?

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
But if I'm messing your brand up, yeah or something
you can at least sleep at night with, Well, I
couldn't do it now as a crackhead. I don't want
them rolls no more.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
You guys cared me of that one. You tell me
down here in l A. They lead to all the why.

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
You could kill off a crack Why I mean, if
you if now, if they it is kind of crazy
if they offering something that that does you know, But no,
you know that's different.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
I see what you're saying about you. You know, with
the dilemma of soul called selling out, is you know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Like a crackhead roll like, you gotta have a power
acts you know, well, you gotta be able.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Yeah, you got it because you got to be able
to stand in that truth. Yeah, like when two problems
died when I put it out, I could always stand
in the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Yeah, I say, I might punch somebody and be like, oh, nigga,
I sen you suing a dick on TV. You know
it might be this girl Dollars saying this to me.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Yeah, you're right though, But there's you know, I couldn't
sell out all. Yeah, there's some things I could do
and some things I just can't do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
I just can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
You know, could you do something like Drew Ski put
the white face on? Maybe I don't think so, though
maybe you don't think so. Maybe you think he sold
out doing that. Now he's a comedian, Okay, so.

Speaker 7 (01:28:25):
I think that shi it was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
You think he sold out. He's a comedian too, You
thought that was a comedian. Is a comedian though, that
he sold out doing that? Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
A comic like if you if it's in you to
do it, it'll work.

Speaker 7 (01:28:41):
It was just like it was just as funny as
Robert Downey and Traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Did you think that was funny?

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
I was hilarious because he was He was Australian man
playing with a black man in the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
His role was an Australian man playing a black man.
And I did think Tropic Sundra was all that funny
to me. It wasn't the whole movie.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Yeah, really the actual execution Okay, the problem with that
movie is the righty, But the execution of the actual
roles were really good. Okay, what about soul Man, the
one with the white dude that tried to get in
college and had to pay himself black You guys don't
remember that one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
Only I remember it was Bernie Night.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
Okay, so man, but the white dude that paint himself black,
you know, so you could get in high school and
started dating ray Day Ray Chongs, Tommy Chong's daughter in
the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Yeah, she was in the movie, but he was a
black man, you know, white boy that did that. You
guys don't know that. You guys know that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
Man, I know is the one with Bernie Back and
uh uh uh Samuel Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Okay, I was gonna say, do you guys start That
was funny, but you guys didn't see it. That was
a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
I mean some people's don't like like like Jamie Fox
does wander.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Laurence us your name is, so you're.

Speaker 5 (01:30:02):
Not against white facing and black facing a certain circumstances.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
I mean white facing and black facing. So the thing
that make Tropic thunderwork is the joke is the fact
that somebody's black facing versus if he was playing a
black man movie, it'd probably be more of an outrage.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Versus them making fun of people that used to black face.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
I have a comedic guilty pleasure. You have to confess.
And there's different reasons why different things can be felt.
Like there's like like the irony say and and and
the the multi angular you know, components of tropic.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
I just the look direct look look.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
So it was on SNL probably in the late nineties,
I guess what's saying. Darryl Hammond did Jesse Jackson and
he's a Southern guy, so I think, and he just
did it fucking freakishly well like some people really get busy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
He did it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
I think, like it must have come up, come about,
but he did the impression of him. It was somewhere
like either on stage or something, and they just said,
you know what, fuck it, that's so good, We're going
to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
And it is. So it is on Instagram. It's a
dude name on Instagram named Chocolate Trump. I've seen that, Yeah,
I see that. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
So you kind of lose the track that he's actually
don't look nowhere near like Trump and it so something look, black.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Facing was meant to be fucked up, so it's not
really black face.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Now somebody actually really went through makeup and tried to
be black face, it probably would be different, but like
they would make a motherfucker the Shogs, they make him
for the color of.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Your hat, you, I mean, they didn't do it, and
they did like other ship. Yeah, like it made it.
It was just dumb. It was it was meant to
like all it was meant to be an insult. Yeah,
so you take those kind of movies nowadays not as
really insult.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Like Robert Downey Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
That wasn't like a black faced Roles that's like comedy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
That was just comedy, but not even They tried to
make him look like a black person for real, and
then the movie is him being an Australian person playing
a black person. So it's a white man from America
playing a white man from Australia, that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Black man.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
And they didn't make him extra dark. They made him believable.
Like the goal of it was like his skin wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Too like it wasn't like the production of the fictitious
movies they were supposed to be the first place was
trying to really hit past.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
It's all right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
The goal is that that's the trip, you know what
I mean, Like that's the trick seller, like you all
set out just enough.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
The funniest part about that whole movie that was a
group of idiot writers who got so high that they
kept with a crazy funny concept but were too high
to execute it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:01):
But it's a classic though it's one of them ones, and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Looking out for tuning in to the Note Sellers podcast.
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This episode was recorded right here on the West coast
of the USA and produced by the Black Effect Podcast
Network and Not Hard Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Year.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Thanks for listening and celebrating five years of the Black
Effect Podcast Network with us. Keep following because the next
five years are about to be even bigger.

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