Conversations On What Is NOT Black Culture

In this episode of No Ceilings, Glasses Malone and the crew take a deep dive into the evolution of hip-hop culture and the ongoing misrepresentation of Black identity in mainstream media. The conversation unpacks the impact of the blog era, the influence of artists like Kanye West and Drake on the perception of street culture, and the gentrification of language within hip-hop. They explore the distinctions between Black culture and Black America, examining how regional differences, media narratives, industry dynamics shaping cultural understanding, the intelligence and moral code embedded in street culture, the myths surrounding Atlanta’s urban scene, and the global lens through which Black identity is viewed today. Ultimately, the episode calls for a deeper appreciation of authenticity, cultural nuance, and the preservation of hip-hop’s roots in the face of commercialization and distortion.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealer's podcast with your hosts Now fuck That with your
loaw glasses Malon. So, I'm in the group text, right,
and I think we talked about it trap like, I'm
in the group text and I saw I saw the

(00:29):
shit where it's from an old twenty thirteen GQ magazine
where Drake said the dope boy is going to be
a fixture of black culture as long as thug is
a legitimate option alongside a job.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
So when I when I first heard heard you say it,
though I ain't gonna hold you, I was kind of
confused at first because I ain't no what he was
even bringing up looking for you know what I'm saying.
So I almost thought he was talking about young thug
at first, though you know what I'm saying. But then
I realized, well, once you repeated it again, I'm like, oh, well,
this man is talking about saying that you don't know

(01:14):
nothing of though, so I ain't understand why he was
even bring that into a competition.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
This was in GQ article him, him Cuddy, and somebody
else was in the picture, him Cutty and I think
who else was in that picture? And Damn Cuddy and
Wyla was in that picture.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
That just lived by all these years.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
So that article was kind of about like they knew
the blog era was coming to destroy this thing that
we called hip hop, like our perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
So that was the article.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So it had those threes as the guys putting it
into what we see as gangster rap, which is hilarious
because he ended up going on to make gangster rap
after that. But again, the dope boy is going to
be a fixture of black culture as long as thugging
is a legitimate option alongside the job.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
That's confusing because so Drake was a blogger.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
No, No, Drake was an actor bloggers you know article
on GQ right when it's funny because.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
You know what I'm saying, like, isn't that a bloggers article?

Speaker 5 (02:38):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, no, because that's a writer's article in GQ. Journalist
is a blogger.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
But he was talking to so called bloggers that's coming
into the industry, right.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
No, so they represented so from hip hop's inception, it
came from the street, right, You came through the streets,
you spoke the language of the streets.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
So even the.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Guys that didn't you know that didn't grow up in
street life, they still spoke the same language. They were
still abreast of that life, a street urban culture like
you know the and I call the street urban culture
because it's a complete.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Way of life that we live, right.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's the way we talked, the slang we use, the
way we dress, you know what I mean. I got
this dope abcs of culture where I talk about it,
and it's all kinds of things that make it all
encompassing of New York City street urban culture. And everybody
that's ever came up still talk that way. Like You've

(03:44):
always had people.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
On the.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like on the further away from the street side like
a day last soul, and you've always had people that
was all the way into the streets like a jam
Master j. But it was always people that understood the
culture and they could have a perspective, but they understood
the culture well enough to speak on it. The blog era.
So and remember at that time, had the streets had

(04:11):
to choose you, they had to lift you up. You
had to be their guy. So even the guys you
might feel like are more conscious or backpack, you know
what I'm saying, Those guys very much are still the same,
you know, I mean the streets elevated the most depth.
The streets elevated them. I mean, so even if you

(04:31):
feel like there's some guy on the less street side,
but they still are very much in tune with street
urban culture because they still grew up adjacent this era
of kids. So there's a couple of things happening when
the blog era. So it goes from the neighborhood choosing
who was going to represent it. So because you could

(04:53):
have got a record deal, but the neighborhood still had
to accept you and validated as its own. Like if
the neighborhood didn't validated as its own, like the label
would just be pouring money into it and it's not
going to work out.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
There was no way to connect to a bunch.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Of other people that was you know, goofy or like
minded for that for that, you know, for that idea.
With the blog era, it allowed which it always was
a bunch of different kids trying to choose, you know,
as journalists and different people trying to get with artists
and have these conversations. But it also began them choosing

(05:33):
who was going to be presented as a face of
hip hop, oh gos So, like if you ran a blog, right,
if you ran a blog, like let's say d dot
Omen shout out to the hommy d do and he
chose which artists that he was going to present to
his following, right, So he was trying to connect it right,

(05:55):
And a lot of the blog kids they're following were
people street adjacent to, not street at all, you know
what I mean to, not even adjacent, just regular people
who seemed to like hip hop music, you know, seemed
to like the rap music, so that those people began

(06:16):
connecting through. So when I say the blog era ruined
hip hop, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I'm talking about it removed the street completely from the
from the.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Equation it made it and brought up brought like a
soft aspect to hip hop like that basically what they
was doing, Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I like to I like to say, Now the streets
were originally the gatekeeper.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
They weren't the business.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know, you still had to get record deals and
people had to promote your records. But DMX had to
be validated before we got DMX, Like New York had
to validate DMX, like this is our guy.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
So you think they're trying to read the fine where
street walls.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
No, they're trying to read the fine with hip hop. Yeah,
so fast forward right back to that actual back to
that actual conversation, right that interview with Cuddy, with Wilee
and with Drake.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
They were saying, these were.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
The guys coming to end gangster rap, like they had
positioned them to remove hip hop away from the streets completely.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
So like they could do hip hop without being gangster.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah. But even though we had that already, we already
had trial, we already had daylight, so we already had
a bunch of people that was you know guys that
wasn't gangstland, but they were still more street adjacent. My
issue is now when we get to somebody speaking on
street life or street urban culture that is totally ignorant

(07:52):
to it, and everything they are informed of is based
off of something they heard in the rap song, something
they saw on the internet, or something they saw in
the film. Like they don't have enough experience. And that's
kind of why I fight for hip hop the way
I do.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, as you should, though, but I think this
was already we spoke about this before though, this was
this this date's back to even before them, though you
mentioned this before as far as but then the the
fifty cent Kanye Kanye bat they did, they called it,
they did, But then the who was going to sell

(08:33):
the most records? You know what I'm saying. I think
that was that was more of the time when they
was trying to do it at first.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Over there, I put the cord that's I could clean up.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
They was trying to do it right then. I think
that was that was their first their first introduction with
them trying to do that right there.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, And you remember when we first used to talk
about this, I used to tell you, I'm like, it
starts with Kanye, mm hmm. But that's where it starts
at now. Again, I've never been able to come to
the conclusion that Kanye is completely oblivious to street urban coaching.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
I ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I've never been able to come to that conclusion. It
is virtually impossible for me to believe somebody that grew
up I don't care if it's a suburban area of
South Side Chicago, you know, I don't care if his
mom had a doctorate and so forth. So it's very
hard for me to believe that Kanye.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
He really want it, he really want.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Badly, like badly. I want to be like, oh, hell no,
because some of the stuff he says and does just
feels completely ridiculous. But I can't push myself to believe
he's from Chicago, He's from the South side of Chicago.
This like it's like Black America, you know what I'm saying.

(10:04):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
But when I would see I think that I think
that a lot of it comes within his time of being,
you know what I'm saying, in the industry, and the
matic came across you know what I'm saying later on.
But I think when he was his introduction to us,
I think he definitely carried you know what I'm saying
the I'm gonna say the street, but just just the
urban the urban side. And I'm saying of him like that,

(10:29):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
He's from Chicago, Yeah, urban city, and it's one of
the you know, top five urban cities in the country.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
So do you think, oh, go ahead, go ahead. Do
you think maybe it's because like West come from a
place where he could read urban language and things better
than somebody like Drake who can not even understand how
to read and things like that.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
No, no, okay, no sellings podcast gl my brother King,
I got my brother trapped from these coach queens.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
No.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I think is one guy has more of an understanding.
Like he can pick up all things street urban from
rap songs. He didn't pick up all things street urban
through you know, entertainment. Means like he had to come
across them to understand it.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, that's all kind of like saying like he was
raised in it, like he was abreast of it. Even
if he's not directly involved, he's still completely That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Like he's got, like we's got a better understanding even
though he's not involved. But because he's around in the
situation versus what Toronto might be different than you know, Chicago,
the way the black culture is, Wes got a better
way of understanding it because he is surrounded even though
he's not in it, as Drake was surrounded by a
Jewish culture. Yeah, but that's not even all understanding except

(11:58):
through rap music.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
But that's what I'm saying. But it's not because it's Toronto.
It is because it's a suburb. It's a suburb of Toronto.
That's Jewish culture. So it's like it's not quite because
Toronto God Street urban culture. Like I know some cold
players from cold gangsters from Toronto and like they solid dudes.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
I know all kind of dope brothers from Toronto.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
It's not that it's just and this is what I'm saying,
it's not black culture, like black culture is there.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
We've talked about this.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I think black culture is so limited, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Like there's a few things that are black culture, like
things that involve hair, things that involve skin, you know,
but I think as you go deeper into that, it
becomes very niche, you know what I mean. And that
kind of scares me when we start to say these
things are black culture, because it gives anybody that's black

(12:57):
the right to speak on them as a formed and
they're like like that, like he's a black man, Drake
is a black man. Like he may not be a brother,
but he a black man.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
You know, he grew up Jewish. But if race was.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
A real construct, because Dennis is his father, he's a
black man. But he is completely ignorant obviously in that
that specific take right there, right that you know, the

(13:30):
dope boy will be a part of black culture or
blah blah blah black The dope boy has nothing to
do with black culture. Like that's just a terminology that
people made for drug dealers. Drug dealers are in every
color spectrum in the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's like we were the last ones to touch drugs.
It seemed like for.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
Sure, like George was getting to it.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I mean remember remember Frank Frank Frank Lucas was flying
to get isdruls as.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I'm saying, like, we're really the last ones to touch it.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
So when you have somebody that's saying that it, it's
like the movement that's happening now on social media. There
are so many kind of sellout people, right, they're just
running around selling out, spewing like white supremacist talking points
right Like they're I mean, they spewing it. They are

(14:29):
going crazy, and it's a ton of them, you know.
And so there's black people and then white people hear
them and they like it, and then now they become
a supporter of them. Now you got three hundred thousand followers,
as if this person is abreast to speak for all
of us. Yeah, and I notice it a lot, like
the stuff they talking about is not Black culture, Like, oh, well,

(14:51):
you know what people is on the county.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
That's not black culture.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's you mean people is on the county like county.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Like government assistance.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, So they're saying so many things and they're relating
it to black culture and it's not Black culture. These
the behavior that they could be referencing, or the or
the the moral compass could be very nicheous in society,
like certain things. Like it's like to say gang culture
is black culture. How could that be when gangs exist

(15:21):
in every last color spectrum of America, whether it's white, yellow, red, brown,
you know, la street gangs is a it was here.
It was a brown thing before it was a black thing.
So how could it be a part of black culture? Like, yeah,
we could talk about the terminology that we named a
street gang, right like, oh, crips, that's a Los Angeles

(15:43):
street urban thing, right, crips, that's the title, But there
is nothing about it that's a cultural thing that you
have to do. Like, it doesn't work that way. So
when somebody when he says that that's why I fight
so hard about people, he ain't considered hip hop because remember,
they become the voice that people think it's us. And

(16:07):
I don't mean all black people, I mean specifically us
like people that grew up in street urban coaching, like
people like white people could hurt that. Actually he's one
of the good ones. You know, he's telling them.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
They said, he's telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, he's saying, hey, right now, you know long
it's a viable It's like, bro, what the.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Fuck do you think most of those you know, blacks
that do that.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
Do you think they really believe what they say or
you think they just putting all, you know, a show
of ourvil show.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think less than five percent believe it. Okay, most
of them know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
I think they skew to.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Things and they over exaggerate, like they'll show somebody fighting
at Walmart, like, oh, this is black people, and it's
like people mostly they're not fighting at Walmart, and everybody
fights at Walmart.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, it's it's so
much stuff to me.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
And again, even trying to define black culture is so ridiculous,
Like there's only so many things about us because and
I think the core of it is when we say
black community versus Black America. Right, because community means communal,
like we live a certain way, but we live too vast.
Like it's black people feilthy rich. It's black people that's

(17:21):
middle class, and it's black people that's poor.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's not every black person poor, it's one out of
every four or five Black people.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
So you say we should say black community instead of
Black America.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
No, we should say Black America and not black community
because it gives off This is something that we're like,
I'm from Watts, right, that's a community, so there are
things that are common amongst that neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
We're all abreast of it. That's a community.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Saying black community to reference Black America is just it
gives people, to me a false sense of togetherness when
we all have different moral compasses, so have a different
moral What.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Does black America mean?

Speaker 6 (18:06):
Because like there is no real Black America if we
don't really do everything the same.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, Black America reference black people living in America, So
it doesn't mean anything outside of.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
These are the name cultures. You use community.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
If you use culture, that's saying that's something that most
of us do, Okay, And the truth is most of
us are not poor.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
It's just a ridiculous number of us is poor.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Compared to the rest of the color spectrum in America,
Like we do have one out of every four to
five people that's poor.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
White people is.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
One out of every I don't know, like thirteen, even
though it's two hundred plus million of them and it's
only forty million plus of us. I mean, so yes,
if you want to say poor people, then I'll listen
to that. But again, like I do think it starts
with the concept of black community. That's a false word

(19:02):
and it's a bad word that we keep using. And
it also brainwashes people to believe that there are some
similarities amongst everybody black living in America.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
It tends to lend to.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Like, oh, there's a cultural thing that's the same, you
know what I'm saying. And it's just I think that's
part of the problem that people expect things from us
because these terms that words mean a lot.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Words mean a lot.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
So I was saying, like, it's better to use the
term black America, not black community or black culture or
black culture, because what do we do the same king
once we get past our hair skin, you know what
I mean? Like you economic shit is going to be
a big determining factor of how you live your life,

(19:58):
like what your your economics is like, it's gonna be
the main determining factor, not your skin. Like so once
you get out of that when we're saying black culture
is like yeah, hot combes, that's black culture.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
That's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't care if you got a bunch of money
or if you ain't got no money. You know what,
you'll probably know something about the hot cone.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know about you know how our skin is.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
If you know certain things that are common, they are
cultural things. But morality, dog, we all live different, maybe
me and Trap or you because we all grew up
in ghettos for a lack of a better word, you
know what I mean. Like, so there are more things.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
Like okay, the black ghetto, not the butter on the
knee caps. Trap, I don't know, we don't know butter
on no knee caps.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
What's what's that about cocoa butter?

Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, there you go, crystal butter, stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
That's poor people.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Oh yeah, I forgot you guys.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Say no, I'm not saying, I'm just saying it. Never
You also was.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Born at before us.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, so y'all had.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
A bunch of better remedies than we did. But and
that could be true, you know what I mean, like
criscal criscal oilr on the knee, cappin.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
But buttered, you know, like butter, butter, butter out the refrigerator. Yeah,
butter after margarine on your knee, gapps margin butter.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Damn.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
It's just like you said later on, Cocoa butter became
a big thing, you know. Butick, you know, coca butter's
used for all kinds of stuff, add the bowls and
all kinds of stuff, cocing ut, coca butter, coco butter,
and I mean I'm thinking coconut oil, coca oil.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, so you know I was cocoa butter is coconut butter, right,
I don't know That's what I thought?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Is it abated with that? I said some magic being
made with cocoa butter before though, but.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I is that cocon nut butter is a short cocoa
short for cocon nut butter.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I'm gonna look this up cause I look it up.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, you're gonna look it up.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, you got a good point. I think at times
cooking up oil.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
You ever mess somebody who will basically say like like
they can understand the language, but they can't speak it.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, I'm like, that was Spanish.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
So I think that's what happens at times when it
comes to hip hop, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like you could you can understand it by you
on your research and anything like that, but you can't
actually speak it though. You can't be it though, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
So I don't think they quite understand it.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I think you hear the words and they could kind
of think they know that, Like when people say outside
and they think that shit mean legitly outside your front door.
That's a specific place we're talking about things were other people.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Like, I think that's why you hear so much hip
hop all these street terms being gentrified, you know what
I mean, Like tons of street terms every day, like
being gentrified. Like I remember that guy sent you on
Instagram Bubba end up being right, came out and he
made this song called.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
I Like Boys. Oh he made a song like he
came out on his Instagram page. I was like, damn.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
It was gay.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I told you he had that role when I've seen
him do that role, but I knew something was going
on with him. Yeah, k Kyle Beyle, that's what it's
made out of.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Wow, black people know about Kyle. I think that's the
same being they used to make chocolate.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, that's the thing, the cocoa bean.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
So when I sing your man do the the the
little belly roll, after he dropped that line, I said, nine,
man got a little bit of shut right there for sure.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
But he came out and he was like man, even
struggling and he came out, and.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
You know, I thought that was cool, Like that'd be
my biggest thing. You're scared to live in your truth.
It don't mean you got to be a girl. But
it's okay if you like me. And that's nothing you
could do about it. Trust me, I can imagine there's
no nothing you could do about it if you like being.
So he makes a song called I Like Boys, Oh
No song about boys, where he wanted to talk to
book guys but he always had to hide it, right,

(24:29):
And somebody, I think somebody said something specifically.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
About this is a black dude, this.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Is a brother brother Carolina's and somebody said something specifically
about uh, it's kind of a rock song too.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I said, I lost my god.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Dam it was hip hop. Good, thank you.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
But that's what That's a prime example somebody that just
makes music from whatever they feeling. It's not even though
he was rapping, it's not the commitment to the culture
of it all. It's like, I can rap, I'm black,
I got good rhythm here it is boom.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
But what was what was we talking about? That's how
did I get to there?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
It was we were staying upon the knowing that understanding
the language, but not being able to speak it though yes.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yes, yes, there you go.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
He said something specifically, No, okay, So he had the
song about boys. That's a song song about boys. Bubba grahams,
y'all check it out, y'all, check it outside out to y'all,
y'all plug.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
It up? What's your boy?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Before her forget it was a white lady in there
saying this kind of mock rock song. Slapped.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
She turns flat, turns flat.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yes, and I'm like, this is not a slap slapper.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's not what they mean. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Stop doing that.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
That's what you know?

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Just rather slaps right here.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
She was on her legs slapping her legs like, oh,
this is real.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
She said this slaps.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
So so she didn't know how to compose it.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Right, No, that's what I'm.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Saying, Like, no, it's not trying to compose it right.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
It was she can't use the term this is good, yes, exactly,
trapped trying to say it again. I said, why you
can't just use the term this is good right here?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
But because I don't think she would have been listening
to Pink Floyd and said, Yo, this slaps like she
wanted to say that.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
I guess she.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Said it was a rock song, right, this rock song slaps.
Did she say that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm just saying I find it odd that she referenced
that word that this slaps, And I'm like, this does
not slap.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Because you're right, she did because it was like a
black person song.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
That's what watch because it's a black person.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Definitely, Definitely she said that.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I think people be trying to be cool.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
I'm like, trapped. She wouldn't have did it to a
white person, I think, but.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I think she would have because they find these words
and then they gingerfyed into places they don't feel right, right,
and that's what I'm saying. The trap, like everybody can't.
They can hear a word and then kind of regurgitate
the concept, But that don't mean they know what it means.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
Man, Uncle Dunk on the baseball game talking about the
baseball player, I said, what the fuck? Wow, he has
a but dunk of Dunk, I said, well, this is
a white people. It's a baseball game.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, And the other dude did.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
The other white dude didn't know what it was, and
the other white dude trying to explain it to him, like.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
You know, the backside, you know, wow, And then the
white dude whole.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
About that.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Man, it was crazy. You're right, though, Glasses and I
think about it.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
They do take the words and just use it anywhere
and out of contexts for anything.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And these aren't words in just black culture. These are
specific niche culture, like it's not black, like trapping is
specific to Atlantis street urban culture. It's a specific version
of culture in Atlanta. So it's weird when you bring
it out, like it's more deeper than hey, I sell dope,

(28:23):
I'm a trapper, even though other people will steal them.
People's lingo and gentrified. It's like no, it's also it's
the reason it's called trap is because the concept is
one way in, the one way out.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
So it's like that's the point.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
But if you just think trap is somewhere where they
just sell drugs, you know what I mean, then you
sadly mistaken what's happening culturally.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
And that's my point, Like they.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
So back to him, that's my point about people like
him being able to speak for this life, this culture specifically. Now,
if I'm asking him about black then man, he could
speak that right. It'll be odd, but it'll be dope
to hear his perspective. It would be dope to hear
his perspective on black things in America or black things
around the world because of how he grew up completely

(29:13):
in this other you know, this Jewish culture and then
him still being you know, Dennis, his son, a black man,
you know, a black man, the son of a black man.
It'll still be interesting to hear his perspective on being
black from where he's from, but that he has no
perspective on being street or street urban culture. He's not

(29:33):
adjacent to it, nor is he street. So when you
start talking about something that is street, right, which is
selling drugs. To start to reference it, you're going to
say a bunch of things that are are like missteps,
and then the problem is now you're surrounded with a
bunch of other assholes who not deep enough into it,

(29:54):
and then the writer who not deeping. Because that's all's great.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
You must have seen my mind broken, because that was
the next course I was going ask if about the
two on the side of him, you know, are they
more considered street knowledgeable or because.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
He does not consider himself street. And I used to
tell Trap this. I was like, Trapped, that's not hip hop. Okay,
he's not street, like he don't even consider himself street
urban adjacent.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
Okay, Because that was my next question, like what about
the two people next to walle Is though, that's why.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Sure, I would think Wilet's hip hop for sure, but
I don't quite know if he I would imagine, I'm
praying to guy, he didn't hear that and didn't say nothing,
because if they heard him say that and then just
let him run that off, yeah, you know, And and
they and they do do interviews separately sometimes, you know,
I mean sometimes they do the interview here, photo shoot here. Yeah,
you know, I mean, it's not always one time on

(30:45):
the spot, but I would be really disappointed in Wile
if he heard that man say that dumb ass ship
and didn't say nothing.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I think was always within that. Within that problem within
his career though, was the fact that when we when
we got to Juice to Wilder, it was within the
Lady Guy Got Songs people kind of took while ay
as being that type of artists as Drake is speaking
of right there, and I think that he kind of
like fought with them getting out of that light right there,

(31:12):
and that was the reason why he even signed to
MMG at the time. And people was always saying like,
I don't see why they fitting in with MMG and
this that this, But while they was always feeling like
as if like why what, no, I'm from I'm from DC,
whether whether it's PG County or something like that. But
he was always representing a DC culture though you know
what I'm saying, He always did that.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I just can't imagine like while they heard that and
it was like, oh that was cool, I ain't tripping.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I just I think that's why it's important to really
start to separate it because the words create expectations. So
if you say, you know, oh, black culture, there's an expectation.
If we say Black America, that's no expectation. There's no

(32:02):
specific way America is. You know, we don't run the
same way. We know that like everybody in America don't
eat taco bell, you know what I'm saying, Like, we
don't always have to subscribe to the same ideas as America.
When you start using words like culture and community, that's
saying there's a like minded thing, and there are very

(32:24):
few things in Black America that are like minded amongst
the whole landscape.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
They're just not.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
It just depends on your economic where you at economically,
it depends on how you raise a million things that
create that versus where how me and Trapped street irban
culture like Queen Street urban culture and Los Angeles Street
urban culture. You're gonna find a lot of things that's
the same. When me and trap we're both street, so
culturally we're going to have the same morals, right Like

(32:53):
we needed one of us rocking with snitches.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
We don't care about way. We're not rocking with that.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's out because culturally that's not everybody black, and that's
not everybody in an urban area that's a specific niche.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I don't that's just for the record, but you are you,
you are street, but you.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Just sell you.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Understand, yeah Street.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Everybody that's from an urban area. That don't mean they
don't They might don't care.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I don't know. Lord knows people in rural I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
But what I can tell you is people that are
street are not cool with snitches.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
That's a no.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
It's so crazy because it's like before, like I'm gonna say,
the last couple of years or something like that, I
thought everybody wasn't wasn't like I thought even like if
you wasn't street, you just wasn't cool within that right there.
You know what I'm saying, Like like like a person
ain't cool if somebody, if you had working, somebody at
your somebody at your job, tells the boss that you

(33:54):
was late to work, you know what I'm saying, You're
gonna look at him as if that was that was
you know what I'm saying, dang cool. So it was
like I didn't think that. I didn't think that they
really ran along with them. I don't think nobody was
like I thought nobody was liking.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Ship like that. I thought, so, well, I guess I
guess that was wrong.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Again, I think that's probably fair. I wouldn't stand there
because you're gonna have a different argument, but I think
it's fair to say. But I think what's happening is
there's a bunch of people really jealous and envious of
poor black people in America, and some of them happened
to look like them as well.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
So now I was like, well, I don't care about snitching.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
You know that that that I don't really legitly inside
of my soul believe that. Mommie, my oldor on me
plucks say, man, do you better believe people? And I'm like,
I don't. I don't. I think that there's an underlying
there's an underlying motive of like I just need to
see them them niggas. Damn yeah, I need to. I'm

(34:57):
tired of the streets. Like it was a dude on
ig that was He was so appy like, yes, it's
the end of street niggas.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
No, what was that coming about in the street? What
do you mean by.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Because thug so thug? When Thug went through whatever he
went through talking to those police interrogation room. People felt
like finally like, oh the streets cracked, which remember I
was saying, I was like, when did Thug become the
quintessential Atlanta street nigga. That's not to say, I know
Thug is a street nigga, but he's not the quintus.

(35:28):
I don't when I think of Atlanta street niggas, I
don't think of Thug.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
I don't think that street.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
For somehow, a generation of people or people to me,
out of the culture moved him into the front of it.
Like here's the token guy of Atlanta street culture, young Thug.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
And I'm like, that was never like that to me.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Always looked at the killing Mike's the big boys tips.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
So when the thing with him, they feel like, so.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
When he kind of when he kind of talk to
the police entirely too much, when you talk to the
police too much, you feel me, here's the problem, here's
the problem.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
It's like, okay, I knew it, and now people talk shit.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I told y'all speaking niggas ain't ship. I'm glad them
niggas ain't them. Niggas ain't good for nothing. And I'm like,
that's like saying that about mailman, like you know what
I mean, Like what like bro, Like why would that
person be the direct representation of what you think?

Speaker 4 (36:31):
And a lot of people feel like that the average
here's another.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
His nails and do all that. A lot of people
feel like he's the street.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Because they've been online, right and they seeing that Atlanta
is to some.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Degree the black gay mecca.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
It is.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Because it is not.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
It's not like the Atlanta where there's a ton of
black a people, but align itself is very much aligning itself.
But they do have every everybody from the South to
me that's black and gay, they probably fly to Atlanta
because it's been a safe haven. It's it's different like
it's it's Atlanta is very a loving place, like you

(37:11):
can go there and people will blace you, you know
what I'm saying, and they don't treat you bad. Like
all kind of canyons and Jamaican people go to Atlanta
and you could just be black and opportunity. That's the
coolest thing about the ay, you know what I'm saying.
That's why I call it Wakanda because it's like that, right,
But there's this kind of narrative like the Atlanta street

(37:36):
urban culture is people wearing persons painting their nails and dresses,
you know, And I'm like, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like I've hung out in Atlanta a lot of times.
I'm going to Atlanta this week, but it.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Is pretty rainbow is shot, like from what I heard
from when I heard like. I didn't see it myself though,
but I heard this one more that they say you
should not go to it because they say than a
full court is staking out dudes.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Don't get me wrong, I just told you. I get
why they're saying. Is like a mecca for black gay people.
That is not Atlanta's street life. That's still mainstream Atlanta.
Atlanta street life is regular niggas like t I and

(38:29):
Killer Mike. That's kind of the to me, those are
when I'm in Atlanta. That's the nigga I see the most,
the quintessential versions of Big Boy, Killing Mike and t I.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
You see them type of niggas all the time.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I rarely in my life saw a thug in the streets,
like a young thug type of guy in the streets.
As far as like the skirts really see you, I
don't really see dudes wearing nail.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I'm at what's the straw out there?

Speaker 5 (39:01):
What publics public?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
So it was another one too, But yeah, I'm out there,
nigga puts in his basket and when I go, I
stay in the West Side. So I stay in the ghetto,
you know what I mean, like close, and it's like
so I'm when I go, we go to the rallies,
I'm going where the ghetto people go. There is no
niggas in the painting their fingernails like that. I don't

(39:24):
know what the fuck.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
I don't know, bro, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't know as a nigga that been there. But
this is a prime example where you got a good point.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
D its.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
People that feel in my group was like you like right,
you're talking about what people telling you right about Atlanta
Street urban culture. And then I'm like, nah, bro, I've
been going a long if we put you know, Killer
Mic on his party, like hell no, somebody that's totally
abreast of it, like me being there, I don't know
ten twelve times over the last twenty years, I'm like,

(39:53):
I ain't never you know, seeing that shit. I ain't.
I wasn't pumping no guys, nigga at his nails plainting
with a skirt on pumping his gas.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Not in the streets.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Now, they do have that section of downtown, and shit,
you will see some black gay folk.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
I mean, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Again, Like I said, I can tell everybody from the
South that's black and gay probably go to Atlanta because
you know, again, Atlanta is a very inviting place. But
like when I'm in the streets, if I go to
the ghetto, men, you don't see that shit. You're not
seeing that. So a lot of people from the outside,

(40:31):
even black people that listen to music or watch videos,
think they are aware of Atlanta street urban culture and
associated with the concept of wearing skirts or painting nails
or wearing purses. And I'm like, I'm there all the nigga,
I'm there all the time. No, you do not see
niggas out that motherfucker where niggas in a malleable wagon
with a perse.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I ain't never saw it.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
What I think it is, like this stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I think somebody like like Andre was the one whom
like introduced it, like to to the way, you know
what I'm saying, just being different, you know what I'm saying.
So I think there's a lot of them people that's
doing stuff like that. They're just trying to come across
different or something like that, have their own style of saying.
I don't think it's that's what I'm saying, Like I
wasn't put I don't know what the reason of.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Somebody never saw a nigga likes ain't doing that. I
never saw a nigga dressed like Andre three thousand, A
nigga wearing pink shoulder pass.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Artists and ship that that's that's them, dudes.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Example, that's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
The streets.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
You're saying the regular.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
Glasses is right now I'm thinking about you never seen
no ship like that?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, in the streets.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
When I'm downtown, no trap, Yes it's yeah, yeah yeah.
I seen the nigga wearing five and ones and heelled.
I was like, this is crazy la exactly.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Or downtail or downtown that's the village.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
That's how it isn't in the West village in New York.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
You never seen so many black that it is something
I did not this long today. But that ain't in
their street life, that ain't in their hoods.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Like that's just where.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
The first I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
They have an area that to me is like West Hollywood. Yeah,
and they that's where they do they think. So I
say that to say that people feel like they're aware
of Atlanta street urban culture, and it's like so then
they've heard enough rap songs, they saw enough videos, they
see a couple, you know Instagram posts they like this
and Doug, they're all like that.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
No, they are fucking not.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Hey, Tad.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
That remind me of story Glasses did. Was driving through
West Hollywood that they look at them girls.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
I remember telling.

Speaker 6 (42:50):
You as don't look at them girls.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
That's how that should be. Over in New York. They
got the the West villages like that. They got one street.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
That but where what's the name it is that?

Speaker 5 (43:07):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Yeah, I think is around the area. It might be
around stuff.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
King was gonna go to one of the massages. No, No, I.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Told you don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, actually be going right there are right there in
certain areas. You're going to know that. That's what's gonna be.
Like I remember one time, even.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Like when I stay in Hell's Kitchen, you're gonna see me.
But but it's a variety of gay people. Atlanta is
different because it just be like black.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Gay people Okay, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Like you go to Hell's kitchens, all kind of basic
you will see people. You will see gay Puerto Ricans,
gay Indians, all kind of gay people. I mean Atlanta niggas,
get I mean, don't it's gay. It's gay black folks
and you know lest village gay black folk, hell kids
and gay black folks in San Francisco. But in Atlanta,

(44:04):
just like it's black, it's black. Just like it's black,
it's black.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
So I think, but couldn't that confuse people interpretations of
what black culture is, our black communities is in America
because of the way they dress differently in Atlanta, just
within the city itself.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I mean, I don't think it's supposed to be confused.
And I think people that listen to music should not
feel like they understand everything because they heard an album.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
So they just missed labeled thug period, No young thug.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Ye, no thug did that on purpose, Okay, like he
did that to.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Create care, Like he did that to become the center
of conversation, create chaos, chaos.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
I'm let's talk about so.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
He understood that he's really again, he's just you know what,
he's doing you know.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
How the market. No, I think I think a lot
of people he would go all the way through it.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
I think a lot of.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
The thug like they look at him as as being
like that because of because of a lot of things
that came out within the court case.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
They made it seem like as if he was the
he was the person that was you know what I'm saying,
calling the shots and the ship that.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Yeah, So I think that's that's never part.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Of him as the quintessential Atlanta street nigga, like like the.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Model who would you put that on?

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Big Boy, Killer, Mike and Tip.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
I see version of street Atlanta that's.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
When I'm in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
But you're you're talking about that's a difference from now
within the new generation. Who do you see as being
at the.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Same thing, younger versions of it?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
You just want to switch over just because they say
this person is that.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Well, I mean when I'm when I'm in Atlanta and
I'm walking in the stores again because I go where
we at, I go with black ghetto people are and me,
I don't see that, you know what I mean? I
see the same version just in today's model. So it's like,
you know, they they be straight up cool. They be

(46:12):
regular Leanta niggas, a Lanta niggas. One thing that's underrated
by Atlanta street urban niggas, street niggas, that's smart. I
don't think that's talked about enough. They're really smart niggas.
Is not this ridiculously smart nigga and everybody else dumb
like he's he's smarter than average.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
But for the.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Most part of Land street niggas got me are the business.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
My boys.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yarris t Ass got a whole fucking business like.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Construction and ship.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So it's like all Atlanta Street niggas I deal with
are usually.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Smart ass niggas.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
And that's kind of the thing that goes under the
radar because it is kind of what people will consider.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
I don't think it's that country. I think it's more
stick than anything.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
But it was underrated about it is how smart to me,
Atlanta street niggas, I've come to notice a lot of
them are really smarts.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
Are really the ones you came across niggas?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah the trap.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
Yeah, I steined to the South. I guess I just say.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I didn't say I did, just say they were like
the smartest niggas of all the country.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I'm saying they're not low like people to like kind
of the.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Stereog Remember I remember when I was living in Florida, right,
so saying they used to say trust me, no, no, no,
saying they used to say, like like when like when
somebody was like a real country, or saying, oh this
Georgia ass nigga right here.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
You know what I'm saying, Georgia and Atlanta are two
different places, even though it Lanta.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Is in Georgia.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Yeah, I guess not Savannah.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Atlanta don't got good soul food, but Georgia got fantastic
soul food.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Atlanta, I don't even know why it's in that motherfucker.
They can't to declare that motherfucker they own state. That's
how Atlanta is. Atlanta is like as soon as you
leave Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Get hell of racist.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I got to draw to this drag strip right for
this race, and going there is gonna be interesting as
fuck because it's like I know where I'm going.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
They don't like niggas.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
As soon as you get out of Atlanta, it's like,
don't like niggas, don't like niggas don't like hate niggas.
You're going to kill that Alabama, No, down there towards
South Florida, down there by flucks going down.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Okay, it's like.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
They so Georgia again. The country carries a nasty stigma
and I don't believe it's true. But Atlanta they're like
smart niggas. Like usually the street niggas I know in
Atlanta are pretty smart.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
They're smart, like you know what I mean. And I'm
not saying they like Boston niggas. I'm saying they smart the.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
Ones I met black holding the job down and hustling
at the same time.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Boston might be the smartest black people in the country.
I don't know why, but Boston niggas be smart as
a motherfucker. Like man, Boston niggas be smart. New York
niggas smart. Boston niggas is fucking Einstein's Boston black people
is like them, niggas be breast of all kind of
They just got all the information.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
So that Harvard.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Harvard, yeah, trapped, all the Mighty League schools is up around.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Like you're gonna get these grades.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Mm hmmm. So now it's like Boston the cool city
I've been to Boston.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
We're once with glasses. That's it.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I love Boston. I took this nigga to Roxbury with
new addition grew up.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah, the other one sOliver glasses.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Boston is very segregated though too.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Yeah, that's another thing.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
But they they don't really give a fuck because they
like as long as they all getting Norway. That's he's
coach niggas in general, these coast niggas in general. As
long as white people don't get in our way, it
ain't gonna.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Be no problem. That's true.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
There are a different bunch of people when it comes
to that.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
They don't need to integrate, don't get it our ways,
struggle funck y'all can live over there.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
We'll don't bring your ass over here though, As he's
coach nigga.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Yeah, you're right, they don't want nothing from whatever, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Just respect my mind.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
That's New York.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Respect my mind. Don't come fucking around.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's so, that's what That's what always worked for me,
trapped when I would go from ghetto to ghetto.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
You really you really are a person that when when
when when you land, when you land your feet somewhere
you want to go to the ghetto first.

Speaker 6 (50:41):
I could attest to that. I compared with that trap.
Trap I could bear with. I could bear this. Nigga
was every good in every city and.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
It had to be the worst one. Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Okay, he goes up.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
With guns and police ain't even tripping.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
He asks me, Yeah, why you never going to stand out?
Why didn't never want the park Hill before? I ain't
never want the Staple Tip? Why am I going there?

Speaker 3 (51:07):
For?

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Do I enjoyed that?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
That's not what I'm saying for you trapped.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
I'm saying how you never end up in Staten Island,
not why you didn't go to just some.

Speaker 8 (51:16):
Projects Staten Island, like I've been Listen, I went to
Stand Island a couple of weeks ago, but I had
to do Center Stand.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Now that's my.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Second time, your president.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, yeah, about the second time going to stant Island.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Rove through Stand Jersey. He had had I had to
go there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Also, everything is about the trains, so they're not in
the cars. So the one place that the train don't
go to Staten Island. Oh for real, you got to
cross the bridge or you gotta take the ferry.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
The trains cross bridges to old tunnels like, no, they.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Don't got it.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I think Standley have his own train that just goes
through stan Allen, Like it just goes.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
But you know how like you know when you coming,
you know, you go through the.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Vera. Yeah, when you're going back to Jersey, Yeah, Averrizana's
then out of bridge and ship like that.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, Bridge, Lincoln Tunnel, Lincoln, Yeah, Lincoln.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
You got the Lincoln. Don't understand?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Have one going to State Nyland.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
The ferry to the ferry out there, take the ferry boat.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
We ain't taking no public so we just drive across
the bridge, trapping the New York people don't do no
driv They not with that.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
They like man.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
That's why I always say hip hop could only happen
in a place like New York because you could be
rich as a motherfucker and you didn't fuck with enough
poor people your whole life. If you ever, because you're
gonna get on that train. You know, it's a crazy trap.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
When I was in New York, I noticed that you
guys be having these rubber bumper pads on all.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
That's because that's because how to park man became over here.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Nobody has rubber bumper pads called a bullet.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Get this ain't nowhere to park Man.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
You gotta see, I had.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Uh King in the Bronx. We was in the Bronx
chilling for all the days.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I had him up here. One day like with the
homies and ship like we was up the chilling. They
can't kill it this. I know King was a gettle
nigga because he was like, okay, glass triple ship. I'm cool.
I'll never forget. I think I told you the story.
I took King the g S nine hood, right, So
we over with some of the homies from JS nine, right.

(53:38):
King got some of that I'm telling like, yeah, that's
my partner. He you know, he got to dispend trap.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
He got right, I said.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I said, he got some keys, you got some kob
like that ship up. He's like, got it, no problem.
So he pulled out this strand that he had that
he was promoting, and it was about six niggas in
this circle. I'm chilling with him, but.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
I ain't smoking. They pass that the blunt around.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Man, They make it around one time and they get
to that second time that nigga pulled that blunt and
passed it. He was talking, stopped. Nigga just fell straight out.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Somebody was smoking witha.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Like that. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
This ship crazy.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
You.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
But some kill out there ain't about that.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
I watched it the weed or get it?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
H yeah, do go everywhere?

Speaker 5 (54:33):
Though.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
It was fun though I had it was fun. I
learned a lot that Nigga showed me a lot and
taught me a lot on that trip. You know, the
different cities and hoods and places, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
And the crazy part is, same rules apply.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Mh.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I don't care which ghetto I go to, same rules apply. Yeah,
so I'm gonna be straight. I mean, I already know
what to look for. I didn't know what's happening.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
Hey, trip, I swear he went to a barber shop
that I swear. Later on, I read in the newspaper
the mo was shot up.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
Oh yeah, that happened.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
The Memphis burgershop. We went in.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
He bought a probably out there. Yeah, he was telling it,
no bunch back out here Memphis. He bought a probably
before unit of South Memphis.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Nice yeah, nice, well yeah though, man. Yeah, we was out,
We was out, We was moving around.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
He was out there. He was out in New York.
We moved around. He was on the west side of
all of you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
But the man, when you go places, he move around.
When he's here, you go nowhere, because I'd have been
here everywhere. When he goes place and he moves around,
you could call him up that nigga.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Dere he dropping? You know, features he going everything here?

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Man did so many time. I'd have been to every ghetto, every.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Project area, every party, everything every I'm so tired of
fucking around. And man, maybe the Sticks was shout out
to Stick. Sticks Releases shot a film about wats. I
forgot the name of the damn movie. They debuted it,
and I was supposed to go and I've forgotten ship
and there's a bunch of gang members there, and everybody

(56:11):
called me and like geeven you ain't come in, call
you ain't come in blood. I'm like, man. By the time,
I was like, man, you missed it. I mean, I'm like, man,
I'll catch the next.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
One, yeah, and go places.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Man, I really I try to meet us. I try
to see us. I ain't really and I want to
meet us. I'm talking about black people that come up.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
As shit I just now, you know what you got
to do now though, rights that you gotta get them
passport stamps. Man, we gotta go to you know what
I'm saying. We gotta go out of the dintry.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Now.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
I have been together in Africa.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Hell yeah, I've been to West Africa.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I've been a Nigeria ones you on a tour?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Did you out there?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I hang out like I'm really trying to hang out
in an African village. I just I get it, like
I'll be fine there. I just I like, I really
love us. I don't give fuck if we poor. I
love us. I just like I just love us. I
don't have no expectations. And I always usual to make
some great person, somebody that's hella cool, somebody that's you.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Know what I mean, and I can help them more,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
It's just be dope. You just like fuck with your people.
That's why I be laughing when people say check in,
check in. I'm I'm going that's me checking in when
I show up there. So what you'all?

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Man, I'll never.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Forget we was in fucking We was in fucking uh.
They know how your nigga like.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Man, you glad, I'm alone. What's happening?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Oh man?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Shoot you going over you about the hood?

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Let's go over there, Let's go over there.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Like yeah, I remember I took head to a ghetto
in Utah called Ogden.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
We went to this hood party and Agden and all
Ten ghetto.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I think there was a hood in Ogden are Utah.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Allden, Utah is the ghetto?

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Fuck?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Ain't that what the college is? What college there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:59):
But you know normally like just like USC is in
the ghetto.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
So it's like we went to this party. We had
a show. They was cracking, but they.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Was like, man, you you know, gim manu street.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Uh man came to this part. We having a party
in the hood in Ogden. We went over there, took care,
we walked to that motherfucking house party. I was like, oh, look,
y'all got a really hood over here.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
And this is what I be telling you.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I be saying that this is why hip hop ain't
reaches full of you know what I'm saying these because
we don't we ain't see what id the whole street
urban culture look like.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
I don't look appreciated ended it right there when he
did that.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
I do think Ihob got a ghetto. I just don't
know how big it is.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
I actually been to Boise and there is some ship
over there. That's some ship.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I don't know if it's enough, though, it's not enough
like oh my, that shit got a real ghetto.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
What about South Dakota.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
No, because it's more like reservations. They got ghetto, but
it's more like a can get. It's different, Like I
think it becomes rural then because it ain't enough people
to populate. Like urban is important because it's when it's
enough people to it's enough people that have the same
you know, culture, mannerism.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
You need a decent number of people, and those places
the properties be a little far apart, so it's more rural.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
He only gets away with Ogden is because the way
Utah cities are so close together, because that's the only
reason when he gets away with often okay trapp mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Well within that though, So I just feel as if
every every city, every know what I'm saying, every state
and every city I'm gonna sell like that though, it's
gonna have an area where it's gonna you know what
I'm saying, Yeah, poor people like that.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
That's why it may not be urban.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
You get what I'm saying, Well, well, well how does
how does a different country, like like a country like
Germany get it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Then, because it's urban community still urban, Urban means dinsely populated.
That's why New York City is the most disly populated
place in America. Densely packed, popular, overpopulated with a shipload
of people. So that's why urban matters in that term
of street urban culture, like densely populated.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
You know, I mean everywhere like New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Obviously that's only one New York City, but la, you
know where we're from, Tacoma, Seattle, like where King from, right,
It's it's people. But you know, once you start getting
under like four thousand people and people like densely together,
you know what I mean, when you start getting to
like the middle of like middle of the spread up parties,

(01:00:48):
people like them Indian reservations, it's ghetto. We always talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
What I'm saying like this, even like the like when
you go to certain areas, they got them them trailer
parks and ship like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Eminem.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
But a ton of them, densely populated, especially like if
it's in a major city like Detroit. So I think
the catch is street is one thing, right because street
life exists all around in every state, but everywhere a
densely populated enough to breed a culture, like a group
of people, like a large enough number of people to.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
For it to be a movement. Okay, remember that, Remember like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
That dude that came on ADHD. Was you there when
that white man was he's from like northern California. Weren't
even saying he was a crib and how he started
a crib and his dad was on the phone.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
They never dine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
And it was like his gang only had like seven people,
like they're a crip gang. But it's just how you
can't put together a movement because it's a handful of people.
So like street urban culture is like it needs to
be a certain amount of people that lived this way.
It's like if we say, like a bee boy in
New York, there's a lot of B boys. If we

(01:02:00):
say U D boy in New York, there's a lot
of D boys. And I mean think about it. It's
not a lot of D boys in every town in
New York. Think if you had to guestimate in the
in the era of the crack era, let's say mid eighties,
late eighties, how many people would you think were selling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Crack late everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, it's probably thousands. Even the smokers think about that.
Thousands of people committing the same crime, you know what
I mean? Thousands of people. So while while being a
d boy is not New York, it's not black culture.
But then how you start to talk about it, how

(01:02:43):
what you start to call measurements. That's when you start
to see that, oh, this is you know, New York
street urban culture like that. How they're referencing the hustle. Right,
So it's probably thousands of people selling crack in the
in the era of the crack area.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
That's a shitload of people selling crack. Yeah, thousands, I
mean gang bangers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
What is it, one hundred thousand here, fifty thousand, thousands
of thousands of thousands of just gang bangers. There's more
black people in LA that are not from gangs. But
there's thousands of gang members. Yeah, most people you mean
l ain't for no damn gang. There's four million people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
But how about related to somebody that's from a gang.
Does that change the numbers?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Maybe if you black? Okay, but but but think about it.
The version of LA were talking about is small. Los Angeles,
the city huge. The version of LA were talking about, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Small compared to the whole Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
City thousands or thousands of gang members. That's why we
have a movement where we could create a culture of it.
You know, gang banging is not the culture how we
talk to each other, What up, homie?

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
What ofcause like? What a look like?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
That's that's the cultural where it becomes unique to just
this and it's not black. It's niched into street life
because Mexicans talk that way. White people talk that way
if they from this specific thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
They're looking out for.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Year