September 23, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode of the No Ceilings Podcast, Glasses Malone and the crew reflect on past conversations while diving deeper into the themes of authenticity in hip hop, the ongoing struggle against selling out, and the cultural impact of appropriation. They examine the complexities of identity within the music industry, the pressures of media narratives, and the challenges artists face in staying true to themselves in a commercialized landscape. They highlight the importance of dignity over monetary gain, the necessity of community support, and the responsibility of hip hop to preserve its roots amidst constant cultural shifts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It peaks to the planet. Shallamain to God?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Here?
Speaker 3 (00:01):
Before we get into today's episode, we've got to celebrate
the Black Effect Podcast Network. It's turning five years old, man,
five years of powerful voices, unforgettable moments in the community
that keeps growing.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the power of the platform. Now let's get
into it. Watch up and welcome back to another episode
of No Sealer's podcast with your hosts Now fuck that
with your loaw glasses, my love so a technical difficulty
and were right back in the mix. Absolutely. What didn't
(00:36):
you like about the last conversation?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I think I was caught off guard enough about it,
like where I was just kind of like grasping at
straws a little bit off the cuff more so than
I would want to be typically, and it just kind
of like it didn't come off like I don't know,
(01:04):
like I came off of like a like kind of bumbling,
and I thought, like in general, like this, like topic wise,
it came off almost kind of like a little bit
like and it was largely because of me, like honestly,
like I felt like I made like myself looked dumb
and you look bad, like to be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
With you, Yeah, I thought I thought you was educating
me on a lot of stuff. I didn't. I didn't
really think it looked bad like I did only think
of like Charlie Kirk as a content creator. I mean,
I definitely almost even talking about that, oh my after later.
I'm just saying I think the episodes do be good
sometimes when you be informing me, be about when you
be informing me about the full scope or something.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Gotcha got you? Yeah, But like when we got into
like nonprofit stuff and whatever, I was just kind of like,
I don't know, there was no vision intact, you know,
in the in the thought thoughts.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Mm hmmm. So yesterday King, we did the podcast or
the other day we did the podcast for for the
for the for the feed, and it something happened to
the recording to where now we don't have access and
you won't allow us to download. So we're back doing
it again.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
This is all King's fault. Real, this is what happens
when you have men without a king.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And watch out something. You'll take a poll, watch it,
I don't take you put one online today? What was
the Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh who who made the Lunch Hour late today? Oh
surprised me. It wasn't me that Uh they said I
was the least one that got the votes. Oh nice,
It's like I can't do nothing wrong.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
There you go on my end right now, just f
y Oh never mind, we're back. We had a no
signal moment on the video, but the audio.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Was still there. Oh no, what was the conversation outsiders?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, outsiders. And then and then we got into like
trying to navigate that space between enticing an audience and
selling out on a on a content principle.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I was asking, I was asking Pete, like why am
I struggling to sell out? And why is that a
struggle for me?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And what Pe say?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Would you say? Pete?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I mean in general, it's like I don't want to
say like that that's a you problem, but like you
care too much. You you think like you worried more
about the the the people involved in what you're presenting
than the people to whom you're presenting. Whereas people that
are just media attention or or or even movie people
(03:58):
like I want to make a movie that gets the
most engaged audience. Their audience focused. They're not story focused.
He's story focused more so than audience folks.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, So I thought about I needed to become a
content creator about some shit. I don't give a fuck
about going against your whole norm. Huh No, No, I
didn't do it. I'm saying it would be hard for
me to over monetize street urban culture because I care
(04:29):
too much about the people they. Okay, you don't want
to exploit it to that degree. I'm not more worried
about the people that's enjoying the entertainment more than I'm
worried about the people that's representing. And that's the problems
die as a prime example in the rect I'm worried
about representing the people that grew up how I grew
up with, like Orlando Anderson or anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You said, you're more worried about representing the.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
People, Yes, okay, so I handled their legacy with care
more than let's say, the person listening who's only connection
the song is Tupac's Core.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, and that does okay.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Versus if I would have been more caring about Tupac
and Core, then I would have connected more with the
audience consuming the record.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Or the twour of more concern with the audience, because
I look at it like, if the audience is your
customer base. You're allowing the devotion to the subjects take
a front seat to your customer base in certain senses,
because you could just abandon them out the car altogether
and just say, look, audience, customer base, whatever the fuck
it is you want, that's what we're gonna give you.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Does that make sense? Who are you asking?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
King?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Oh, I'll still waiting for more?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well, heart asking me if does that make sense to me?
After I talk, so I could double check, and even
I the rethinking, go, no, it does not know why
I said that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
King is asking you a question and then you answer
this question, so I'm asking him doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, what you said about Tupac makes more sense now
the way that you put it, in the way that
Pete is saying, you're that type of person because like
people the audience see that, you know, Tupac was killed
this way, but for you that you're tied into the way,
you're tied into realness and the truth of who you
know and where you're from. You have to explain the
(06:29):
totality of both sides or the other side of it.
So I can see where Pete is saying, how the
carrying part of who you are overrides the misconceptions, are
not cleaning up the misconceptions. It would be like say
you were in the coffee they right humpet, Like.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Say you're in the coffee industry and you're more concerned
about the compensation of the laborers on the coffee field
and column than you are about your customers at the
coffee shop in America. So that would pinch down your
margin a bunch by driving your cost up, and it
would then shrink your customer base to a degree that
(07:12):
it would reduce it to like not a Starbucks drinker.
Now you're looking for like a specific, impassionate coffee drinker.
You know what I'm saying, something.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Kind of in that realm. I look at it like
like I'm like Norm and Mac McDonald and then like
everybody else is ray Crop. They do not care nothing
about the damn burgers. Like this is a good idea.
All right, let's shortcut. Let's take every shortcut as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I'm so happy you brought that up because I didn't
mention like the last time we talked about McDonald's and
the Big Mac, like you said you were mad at
like the other people will go on shows right, and
I'm like, I'm mad at the fucking audience.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh that's how, let me explain it to King. But
what I was saying, so we were talking about outsiders, right,
people who monetize the culture but they're not inside of it,
like somebody like Adam twenty two or like yeah we
said Adam, or like dj vladd I was saying that
I'm more offended at the person giving dj Vlad the content.
(08:15):
He said, he was more mad at the audience for
even wasting their time looking at this ridiculous shit.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Ooh yeah, And that's how I feel about McDonald It's
like the quality has gone down. I'm anytime I hear
somebody going to McDonald's, I'm I'm I'm offended by you.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Like, oh, Pete, I'm on Glasses' side on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Could it be that we as we grew older, we
started looking at McDonald's differently instead of not that it
changed and its taste and everything, but our taste changed.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Your standard slipped, No, they slipped way in the what
I was liking. So like, so like, if it's the
McDonald's argument, Pete would be mad at people going to
eat that, I would be mad at Norman mac McDonald
for giving Ray kroct this ship versus the average person
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is upset at Ray Kroc for being a piece.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Of shit because Ray Crock just didn't care about He
just wanted to expand.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, and that's how it is. Like the average person
is mad at DJ Blad. I'm mad at the niggas
going over there to give him content and not holding off.
Pete is mad at the audience watching the dumb ass ship.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So where's everybody if you between the three of us,
we're mad at everybody. Everybody's yes, in the doghouse.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No seilings of the podcast. L my brother Peter Boson,
house Cat, my big brother King right here, we're doubling
back because we lost the first conversation. It's there, but
we got to strip it. It's gonna be bad quality.
So we just decided to do a fresh episode you
guys have on the feed because quality is everything. But
(10:01):
we will upload that one as a bonus edition because
it's not gonna be a great quality.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Ironically, quality is everything. As we talk about the collision
between quantity and quantity of skill, quality and quantity of skill.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And that's my problem, Like that's my problem, and I
was asking, why can't I sell out and just be
Ray Quack? Like what's stopping me from selling? Like what's
inside of me that stops me from being Ray Kroc?
And me? Like you care about the burgers too much?
Like the burger matters to you too much, Like you
care about really just you care about it. It means
something to you. Maybe your family was the first that
(10:36):
has some to do a ground b for Maybe this
is a business your father passed down. I have too
much care for the product and or the reputation of
the business versus Ray Kroc, where he was like, look,
the idea is good enough. Fuck that ice cream and
the milkshake. We'll get these powdered milkshakes. It's way more profitable,
it's way more convenient. And I'd be like, hell no,
(10:57):
you're gonna fuck up the quality.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And this goes all the way back to the sticks
back of the day. Probably could have down a little bit, buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So yeah, and it's crazy because that's true. I could
have cut it with a brake fluid or a cheaper
cut versus getting androx and all either because it was
so expensive. But it was the quality and that was
my thing. It was like, yeah, I'm selling shired, but
it's the best quality sharp.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, you're an artisan and an artistan producer.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think also too. You just don't want to lie.
Yeah that sucks, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And if you say you got the best quality of
something and you're not putting in the best quality, to you,
that's just a lie. So you're a person you know
that is really built off your own moral character and
standards just from within that you've seen growing up that
people are stilled. So it's not a question of why
you know you can't sell out. You don't have to
(11:58):
urge to sell out.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I do because I would like to be I mean,
I quite don't know what I would do a Ray
Croc's money, but I think I would like to have
it for other people. To your it is that's the
key thing. You yourself don't care, but you just said
for other people is why you do this? You just
said it.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well, you know what do you what do you want
to be giving out? Dollars are dignity, make a decision?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Dollars a dignity? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He said, dollars are dignity, dignity, dignity, Hey, that's a
good one for him right there, because you do like
to give out, you know, some good words of good
character building things. Yeah, but rent with this dignity, he
if I'm the only one that can be I know
if they're scared of them or not. But yeah, he
(12:50):
could do it. But yeah, I see what you're saying.
But it's your niceness and you're about truth and a
lot of stuff that we talk about that you say
is a lot of this because perceptions out there by
hip hop on the social media scene, because people are
coming in that's not even from the culture, as you say,
from outsiders, and now they're putting their perception on what
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hip hop should be trying to fit in.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, that shit. I just had this conversation earlier today
where I started to really consider, like my biggest fear
of peat with hip hop is that it becomes rock
and roll where you know, eventually it won't be a
space for the person that created it and the group
of people that created it. Right, it's easy in America
(13:33):
for things to just go somewhere else and let me
just fuck all this. I don't want white people to
just get their hands on it and then we look
up twenty years from now and all hip hop is
white and it's not cheap no more, not even cheap,
because I think it could be cheap, but it's just
all white. Like, oh god, it is never be cheap.
(13:53):
It's gonna cost because they're able to get in no doors.
We won't be able to get none of the stuff
that I mean, you could make it, but you're just
not gonna get nobody can finance it. And that's my
biggest fear. Was like country rock and roll, it happens
all the time. So because this was made specifically for
poor people to update the rest of the world or
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the rest of black people on what's happening with them,
to broadcast the music was made to broadcast the problems
or the current state in that community. Right, I don't
want that to be lost, Like I don't want us
to have to Like I feel like hip hop got
a good run. It got forty years and seventy and
twenty nine. It to be forty years of hip hop
(14:37):
record fifty years, So you think it would go back
underground if that happens. It's already happening, oh okay, but
the decision could be if we allowed it Like that
battle specifically bought hip hop more time. But it may
didn't buy hip hop more time in the mainstream, but
it bought hip hop more time like hip hop could have.
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It was going in a way where it was going left,
where it was gonna be mainstream, but it was not
going to look like any of the original people that
created it, that popularized it, that made it great. It
was going to start to look just like rock and
roll started to look in the seventies and eighties, and
it would have stayed mainstream. That was makeup and all
that stuff with people.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
There's a lot of been more so like when jazz
went to smooth jazz, even if you just took the
color of the like take Kenny Gy out of the
canj is like a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But that matters though, Yeah, but like he is the
face of jazz.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah, but jazz changed before he got to that point,
Like he came into a changed landscape.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Sure, so I think that was because like if it
was like night, like like the differen between like for
the West Coast eighty eight point one and ninety four
point seven.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know, yeah, that's but that's see to me, that's
what was happening with hip hop. We went to a
smooth of hip hop. Yeah, rap music, not even hip hop,
but a rat elevator.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
That's what you called drake here, that's ninety four sevens
in the elevator.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right, and then so guess what the next thing is
Kenny G. Yeah, And it could have been Jack Harlow,
could have been a couple other people. But it was
starting to happen until Kendrick kind of bucked up and
was like, nah, fuck that, I'm gonna knock this shit
off boom, you know what I'm saying. So I always thought, like,
(16:24):
I just find it weird. I was talking to him
and they just when did people get so mad at
poor people? Man? Like, when did like I watched so
many successful black people get so mad at poor black people,
like you hear it all day, Like I hear so
many black people saying, you know, it ain't it ain't
you know, it ain't black folks problem, It's Nigga's problem.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I'm like, oh, you said, when did black people
start being mad at poor black people?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, let's call it back to the Blues. Let's call it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Back then where they had the division starting up, you know,
where they was already getting mad. Because I told you
they start getting mad the artists and stuff and poor
people is because that's when the artists started coming up
and you know, doing music and started making money and
started getting with the other people was getting and that's
when they started getting mad because how could this person
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with no education all of a sudden become a star
and start making money while we went to school and
we tried to sitmit like white people. But now this
dude is down there playing the blues and everybody's loving them.
That's when the hate started happening, because that's not like
they didn't deserve.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It, and that's how they did. And that's how I
feel like with hip hop. With me, that's how I
feel like with hip hop. To me, it's like it's
been so many years that poor people made existing in
these circumstances seem cool, that they have been the face
of cool for black people, and now people that didn't
grow up that way they're fighting it and they're upset
(17:52):
and they're like, nah, we cool too. Like I just
seen this thing with D One. He was sitting down
doing an interview and he was like, humility is gangster,
and it's like, no, it's not. Why do you why
are you trying to gentrify the Why are you trying
to gentrify the term gainst? Why can't humility just be humility?
Like I'm noticing people want to take shit from poor
people and then they want to read. They want to
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colonize the word to something that fits their belief or
we can fit into this. Like I remember, being a
real nigga meant you carried yourself in this street world
with a level of honor and respect. You stood on
your word. Now it's like doctors want to be real niggas,
like the postman like I delivered twelve packages if theay
real nigga shit? No, bro, it's real post office shit.
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You know me and my kids out, that's real nigga shit. No,
that's real fathers shit. Like they keep trying to gentrify
these street terms right to fit their life, and it's
like you cannot make that cool because it's not supposed
to be cool. It's supposed to be what you're doing,
you know what I mean, Like being humble is what
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you're doing. Why do you have to use the terminology
gangster to try because you understand the cache that comes
with these people, but just because you understand the cachet
of this term. You don't understand why that is cool.
So you're like, well, I can't make sense of why
being a gangster is cool. So but even people think
being a gangster is cool, and I think being a
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gang is not cool because they shoot and kill each other.
You don't know what's happening, you know what I'm saying.
You don't know what's happening. So you're taking your Dennis
Hopper education based off of colors and making it the
surface of your idea. But then you don't think it's cool,
but you want to use the terms and a cool
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way to talk about your behavior being cool.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know, it'd be funny that people don't even realize.
If they ask how many so called gamers had a
job in their life, people will be surprised. They'll be like,
surprised how many had jobs before?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You know what I'm saying. They act like we never
had jobs, and swims just no things.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wanted to go to school, people wanted to do all
kind of stuff, but the circumstances sometimes you make a
mistake and your chances of going to school is over.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Or you would have to have an understanding that it
is for you to keep pursuing it. It stopped school
where I grew up, where I grew up at my
mom went. Thank God for that. But school to most
people seems like more of a dream. College seems like
a dream of people, you know what I mean, Like
it's you're not even taught about it. The consistency you
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know that, it's not the consensus taught, you know what
I mean. It seems more like a dream versus a
place you go to further your education. Like you almost
feel like it's an accomplishment to go to college versus
here's a chance to accomplish something. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I mean that's how we were raised. It wasn't
an accomplishment to go to college. It was the accomplia
was based upon what college you went to.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
See and that's not true where I'm from. Like Nigga,
if you went to college, you made it. It's like
getting a record deal. Yeah, but not not not making
a hit record, you know, or making means of dollars.
Just getting the opportunity to further your education was the
greatest achievement. Just getting an opportunity to have a hit
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record is being remarked as the greatest achievement versus you know,
somebody teaching you, Hey, you know what, this is what
your life should looked like for the next sixty years.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Let me pull up back real quick to what you
were talking about with like people like like like gentrification
of components of hip hop.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
That's the the two way street relationship there between what
we were talking about at the beginning. Like, if you're
gonna like mass distribute art, that consumer is gonna especially
like not the visual arts, not paintings, but like cultural
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arts like music. Those consumers are going to want to
at some point or they're going to at some point
have a liking for the artists and for what it
is that they're consuming, and at that moment they're gonna
want to mimic that and to some degree within the
scope of their own reality air quotes. But like, so,
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if you're gonna, like say, like from an authenticity standpoint,
not want that to get diluted down by a broader audience,
you have to then barricade off your audience or potential
audience rather. You know what I'm saying, Well, I think
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that like.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I think I've carried to that conclusion, which is why
we start talking about nonprofits. Like, I haven't conceided taking
over the world. I just think the world that I
care about is a lot smaller than I thought. Sure
that you wanted to take over. No, I don't think
I ever thought about taking over the world. But I'm
saying the thought of it is not slip me. I
just don't think the world that I'm thinking about matters
(23:10):
to me as much as like the whole world. Okay,
I see what you're saying. We were talking about California.
Like in California, like people don't, like the average person
don't have money because of how high living here is,
taxes all everything. Oh, how we needed to make a
business tax in the government in California. Like I happen
(23:34):
to be evolving into a teacher, right Like, I'm evolving
into a teacher. Whether it was about gang banging, whether
it's about hip hop, I'm evolving into a teacher that's
valuable in the state of California. To charge the state
of California to teach people or to go and look
up and discover art. That's the big business that we're missing,
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you know what I'm saying, Charging the state of California
to go out and discover art or inform people. So
but I think, I don't know. I'm just getting to
a place where it's disgusting to watch people, you know
what I mean. I hate to use that word, but
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it's to watch people be so sure they could judge
poor people that grow up how we grew up with
street urban culture, and but just want to take things
from them. Like I said, where somebody say humility is gangster.
Why can't humility just be humility? Why are you associating
it with this term because this term is cool, But
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you feel like being a gangster ain't cool because you
don't know what being a gangster is about. You think
being a gangster is about the things you learn from
white people, you know what I mean? And I and
I don't. I mean, even in the white world, things
you learn from white people, like people think our campone
shot people every day. So I think I think that's
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what I'm starting to kind of get frustrated with. Like
I keep seeing people say, oh, it's the end of
the street niggas, and you can just tell people so happy,
and it's like, I remember, I told you that story
about that dude that was complaining about that chicken he
was getting bullied. When he say he was getting bullied
to go buy some chicken, and shit, I'm like, you
should have stood up for me. That's we talked about
it on a stream. The dude was upset that he
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felt he couldn't go to the Louisiana Chicken on Normandy
and Manchester because gang bangers would be there harassing him
while he's trying to buy a chicken. And I'm like,
that Louisiana Chicken probably is doing three ten thousand dollars
a day in business.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Is he aware that I've been to that chicken many times?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Say that again?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Is he aware that I've been to that particular chicken
restaurant many times?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, because he wants to propagate the lie that black
people don't know how to act when you're going to
buy food. Like this is the consistent story of what's happening.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Old on Pete Jim Dandy song, Pete, that's where he's
getting these with.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Remember the Jim Dandy sang he did about going over
there and getting some food.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but but this is how people appropriate
what you say into their own stories.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, but I'm a gang member from like a like
a somewhat. Again, I've been to Jim Dandy a million
times or enough times for me, and I know people
in the neighborhood, but it's it's I'm from a rival
competing there. But to you, what you just said is
gonna make that kind of person scared. Yeah, but that
has nothing to do with them. That's not what they
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They don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They don't see that there's a whole bunch of other
people coming there, customers, you know, besides the few gang
members that come.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
In that day.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
And I think that those types of people think that
if you are a person that would be intimidating, I
like a gang banger for example, that if that if
people there will would potentially do something to you. And
they're not intimidating, imagine what they would do to them.
But they don't perceive that it's a threat index determining decision,
(27:06):
not just a your diversion based decision, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, I mean, you don't drive dear with a you know,
one hundred million dollar car and pull up in there
with jewelry on and everything that you don't know the place.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
And so we learned that lesson last year but you would.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Think you would understand that when you go around poor
people in general, like what motivates you to go around
poor people in general with a bunch of stuff on?
Like I know you have to look around and be
like this doesn't look promising around here, people are doing it.
I just don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I've never I don't do that, like I.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
This is funny because this is similar to conversation I've
been have with my parents for the past month about
crashing the Memphis trying to get.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh my god, Peter, I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
That's too scary up there, and they don't understand.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And like.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You, I could drive through a hundred neighborhoods like that
one hundred times with them, and if we took silent
notes about what it is that I see and what
it is that they see, it's gonna be totally different,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Like I see your role though for the movie in Memphis,
Now that's what I see. What role is that move?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, I mean they're production proximity.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yes, it's good move, and I do I do have.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Really reasonable rates. Uh, if you need to use any
if if if you need places to film. I'm at charge,
but it's reasonable, it's reasonable.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
No, I just think it's getting worse and worse, and
it's like it's building up worse and worse, like like.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Are you fighting it to where you know that if
you want to be able to help people, you're gonna
have to go in that direction, And are you thinking
about how far can you go in that direction to
where you say.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Fuck, I can't go it no matter what I do
like that, I can't sell out. It's not gonna work. Like,
it's not gonna work. So I figured out other ways
to subsidize whatever extra economics I want to earn instead
of earning. If I want to earn a million dollars
a month, I figured out other ways, or one hundred
(29:30):
thousand dollars a month, I figured out other ways than
not get it from selling out on social media, from
not selling out period. I mean, I just I don't
think I can do it, like I've tried. I've thought
about it a million times. I thought about doing liquor deals.
I'm like, I'm gonna do this deal, and when it happens,
it's like, nah, So a liquor deal would be selling
out for you. Yeah, Okay, yeah, it would be like
(29:53):
like it had to be something I believe in too.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
No, I understand that, caud No. I mean with your
character and stuff, I understand it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But I didn't know like taking deals like that would
be selling out for promotional things. I thought you meant
selling out in other ways. I mean, that's all selling
out is. It's all the same things, you know, going
against what I believe in to gain what I want.
And everybody gets mad at me, but I always think
about it. I'm like, once you do that, you'll sucker dick.
(30:23):
You know, when does it stop? You'd be sucking a dick?
You know what I mean, against what you believe in.
It starts with something simple and then you at puff
party sucking a dick. You know, Like, if you're selling
a little bit of yourself, what stops you from selling
a lot of yourself?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
It's a gateway sellout.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I'm thinking, I'm glad motherfuckers don't think they sell theirself already,
because I'm thinking, like, yeah, I would promote some alcohol.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Don't believe in alcohol, so I could do it with integrity.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He drinks, you know. So I was like, damn, because
I would be even if not. I'm glad I got you.
Maybe we could. You know, we can sell you out.
You can sell out, you know. I mean I need
a few niggas around me that to sell out. But
then you got to worry that when they sell you out.
You know what I'm saying, Like, if you would sell
yourself out, you will sell me out too. Well. I
(31:20):
do weed, So whatever happens, I'm doing my life. But
it's the same to a degree, right, That's what I say.
I do the weed side of it. Ever, that's my life.
Have I ever drunk before? Oh yeah, I drunk before.
Different for you, And if I'm not saying I would.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Never drink ever again, I just don't like the situations
of drinking right now.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Is not something. I don't drink and drive.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I don't like sitting around and drinking and just you
have to be at a festive event. That's to be
something special occasion, like somebody getting married. Maybe I take
a drink and that's it's something, but not just.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Sit there watching game was drinking beers and shit, I'm
not with that. She is nasty.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
But I see what you're saying about, you know, not
selling out. But I was sticking along the lines you
was talking about, like content and stuff. Since regarding in
that direction of trying to expand what we're doing here
on social media, well.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That would be that wouldn't be selling out though, like
two problems. Not I didn't feel like one sell at all.
We'd have been able to run advertisement for it. It'd
have been the biggest thing. Well, I had to make
a few changes because they was like obviously the gang
was like, man, you're doing too much like people. It
is really hurting people feelings. You. We can't let you
just go wild with this. We can't just promote this. Well,
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Of what I mean, Like the current topics in the
world that's going on on social media. Some things you
don't like to touch, even those the current topics going
out there.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I probably, but I probably wouldn't even be. Yeah, I
definitely don't like the chatty patty part of it. That's
what I'm saying that to you. That's kind of like
selling out, even because everybody's talking about that on social media.
It's not like everybody's talking about it. That's not I
don't mind talking about whatever everybody else is talking about,
but at least I should care about it. Oh, Okay,
that's shit. I just don't even give a fuck about Like,
(33:10):
like I care about what's happening with that that girl
that they found in the Day's singers car. Yeah, in
that singer's car, and I really care about that, but
I kind of keep it toning down. Well, my thing is,
I don't know enough. Like I know what they say
they found, right, I know they found they had matching tattoos.
I know they said they knew each other. I know
the mom said she possibly had a boyfriend named David.
(33:31):
I know they was in this car. Like, I see something,
But I just I can't just jump to conclusions. I
understand what you're saying, but like, I agree with you
that there's certain things, But the conclusion I jumped too
doesn't have to do with the end result. I'm still
in the beginning of how do a thirteen year old
girl go missing and the police do nothing and she's
just down the street. That's the part I start off at. Easy,
(33:55):
what they're both to do? You know she's missing, Yeah,
come on, they spot to do go get her? They
got her the first time, Yeah, but they caught her
the first time. She would have to put herself in
position or slip up and get caught. Why didn't missing
people ain't easy? He said, what what David? But the
mom didn't know she was with David.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But come on, you see, they could pull phone records,
they could pull she has a cell phone, They could
pull all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
They just didn't because she's a Mexican girl. Eh, they
didn't pull it. You know what, I would argue that point.
Probably up until a month and a half ago. I
watched this documentary on Netflix about this lady that was
a grown up that went missing on the ship and
they think that lady's still alive. And like, I watched
(34:43):
different things. I watched the show where this white this
white lady, this white little girl fifteen ciency old, little
white little girl, and this white man was fifteen sixteen
and they were getting cyberbully and the FBI loaned the
police precinct their their uh there, uh what do you
call it.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The forensics ship?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, they're uh that they helped them on the case.
Whatever the fuck the word, but they helped them on
the resources. They gave them the resources to help them
find like figure out who was bullying to come to
find out it was the girl's mom. Yeah, I seen
that one. Yeah, I said, you see that one too.
P See, So why everybody? And this is the thing
with me and up and this is why we're friends, right,
(35:29):
King as well? But this is why me and your friends.
I'm the only thing I noticed watching the whole thing
is when it got to the end, it was the mom.
That wasn't even the trickiest part. I'm like, why the
fuck would the FBI get into this dumb ass ship?
And that's the King's point. It's like, there's people missing
out here. You're worried about who talking ship to this
little last girl? Change your fucking number, you know what
(35:51):
I'm saying. Like, the only thing I remember about that
I can't remember the name. I can't remember the story.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I can remember the mom was doing it because that
was they couldn't do nothing to her because there was
no law at the time.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But she didn't even going to prison. I don't think
she was just talking about the time. No, she was
in prison because there was no law. She was in prison.
And part two was why the fuck would the FBI
get in the middle of somebody cyber bullying somebody?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Well that was because that was at the time that
was becoming a big crusade of everybody being bullied and stuff.
At that time, that's when the whole thing kicked off
of bullying.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So you mean to tell me, growing up in the hood,
we could add the FBI help us against bullies, but no,
we couldn't. That's my point. So all I remember was
the first thing. Number one I remember is the FBI
getting involved, and two was it was the mom. That's
two crazy things. I was like, FBM was like this,
I reached over to my I reached over to the
(36:46):
guys at the FBI. The FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
got time to give a fuck about this little girl
getting some raggedy text message from some bitch. How they
they wanted.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I want to do what they have to do. The
FBI does what they want to do. I see it's
a connection. They knew somebody that knew somebody.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I see it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
I don't know what what when you say like resources
like a one, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
They gave them? They gotta data access the phone company.
They got a warrant, They got a fucking Federal Bureau warrant.
Send a letter to the phone company to pull the
IP address because the mom was using the mom was
using what's name of that damn show? Forgot the name
of that show. The mom was using like a thing
(37:33):
that blocks her number, so she looks like she texting
from different numbers. So the FBI used a warrant and
sent over a messing cham something to the company and said,
give us the IP address or that's been hitting this number.
Damn like that's is the ship.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
It probably took them thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, real fast, real fast.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
They gave him thirty minutes of their time.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Everything's in cloud, real fast. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
All that shit they got, they got boiler played in
templates for all those words.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, Pete, I gotta ask you a question that, since
we're on that subject of things like that, here's their
underground tunnels in La for the rich and.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
The actors and stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I'm neither rich nor an actor.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Have you heard anything about that.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I've seen some little shit. I don't think so I
would side with.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
No, because they say Elon Musk did this. There's some
tunnels down there for Tesla.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
He and I think that's different. That's that's that ship
down a Hawthorne, that boring company stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, Okay, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah? Through
that Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I mean, if it's recent enough, maybe, but as far
as like old like lineage tunnels stuff or like rich
people to go house to house or something, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
So.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Okay, I know they had that. And what's that part
of Beverly Hills really nice? Like where the Playboy mansion
was at, well, Homby Hills. Oh, they have tunnose under
their guy tonos under their houses. Wow, they was doing
all kind of creepy shit. So are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So are you having troubles with thinking about that You're
going to sell out? Are you gonna have to sell out?
I just can't sell out. I just couldn't figure out why.
And I always look at myself in the mirror and
be like, last, just sell out.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
It's easy. I don't think you look at yourself in
the mirror and say, damn, swear to god, I do
I dream about if I go to see it, I'm like, man,
just sell out? Sell out? What what you mean? Like?
What to you? What's selling out? Selling out? Your morals?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Like?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I could turn the live stream into a much bigger
business if I just let go, if I focus. Like,
let's say, if I want to talk about Drake, I
could just talk about Drake everything he woreed an outfit,
look at Drake. Oh, you could have really go overboard everybody.
It'd be easy. I'm not even doing it right now,
(40:07):
Like I would only mention something that has something to
do with hip hop. Yeah, that's it. I won't even
talk about it. I'm not. I could find a shit
every day and we could have the biggest You're right
cloud stream in the world. Then I could look up
thirty episodes after it's big and act like nothing never happened. Now,
you couldn't walk away from that, you feel some top
(40:28):
of way, you know what I'm saying. Legitly, I can
build it up in thirty or forty Let's say I
could build it up in eight or nine months and
then walk away from those conversations like nothing happened. And
that's not how I got here. It's like like I
could kidnap and hurt somebody, you know, mortally wound them
for ninety million, and then never have to do it again.
(40:49):
But I got ninety million, But then I would have
to live my life knowing I'm mortally wounded. Somebody and
kidnapped somebody for that. Yeah, you couldn't do that. So
that's how I feel like about selling out a like,
can I really say some stuff I don't believe? Like
even like certain fans like we talking, I'd be like, oh,
he's whack. You know somebody else writing all this ship
you know some things that I could play off some
(41:11):
facts and then overtly make it the truth, you know,
because it's rooting a little bit of facts and go
too far. Man, we be doing, you know, a thousand
dollars a day. It's super checks. But I can't do
it because I have to believe it. Like I would
have to believe this shit and I don't believe it.
Like people get mad at that. Why are you always
(41:33):
giving any props? I'm like, I'm not giving cuz props.
I'm just saying what I genuinely think. And that's bad
for business. Sometimes better just to use the power of
the milkshake. Bro, it's more money. It's crazy. It's as
(41:54):
bad as people want you to cater ah believe. This
is my personal opinion. Politics is all about catering to
people's emotions. It ain't actually about solving shit. Those facts
people's emotions. It's about making people feel. Galvanize people's emotion,
making them feel whatever it is you're trying to make
(42:16):
them feel. If they feel like you're doing the right thing,
you don't have to do the right thing. So it's like,
it's hard for me because I judge myself, Like I
barely could give myself off to let alone mislead a
bunch of people. Like it's hard for me to mislead
a bunch of people. I get frustrated that I'm off
(42:39):
balance right now with discipline and diet and and shit
like that. Like that shit fucks with me because I'm
strong enough to do better, but I'm so busy trying
to figure out so many different things that I lose focused.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Wait what you fell off the Muslim dyet?
Speaker 1 (42:54):
No, no, no, not o Muslim died. I still only
one time of day.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
But I'm not That's one of.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Is Pete stupid. I'm not cooking as much like if
I cooked every day, I'm not drinking. I haven't got
through my gallon of water and probably a month, Pete.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
If I could turn the camera around right now, Pete,
this nigga got about six jugs down here with water
in each one that he leaves and never takes with them.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh like two.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
He just got water and these jugs that's not even
done drinking. I don't even know what to do with them, Pete,
I just leave it up there, like.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Or what, because I'm just not disciplined. Like my mind
is doing so many tricks trying to make sure I
get right what I'm putting so much energy into. So like,
but I think it starts with the water. I know
that sounds crazy. I think everything for the water boys
starts with the water. I'm making my business to get
(43:52):
through that gallon of water. That's gonna compel me to exercise,
that's gonna compel me sell more due to do better
in business. Everything I have to get back down to that.
I couldn't figure out why you wasn't drinking water like
you used to. My body is like, my body is
so consumed with emotions and questions and doubts and and
and and and and and concern that I can like
(44:14):
its keep making drinking water harder.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Are those things made of water?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Are those things you just listed made of water? No conflict,
They still feel you up internally, they still fill you up.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Internally. So, but you say you got a plan so
you don't have to sell out to where you can
still gain if people was just talking about it just
making something that fit. I'm entirely too bright to not
to have to sell out to make a great living.
Like I can make a living doing what I'm doing
(44:54):
right now, but if I want to make a great
living where everybody around me is men, ao, I gotta
make a great living. I got to set up to
where a great living can happen. And it means doing
a few more things than making sure I'm okay. And
that's another pressure, you know what I mean, you know,
(45:18):
doing the best I can for other people. That's a fuel,
but it is a responsibility. It is a level of
something that I have to give credence to. So like
that's another pressure of like not selling out to help
other people. Like that's another thing, Like I thought in
my mind, like for the plan for Wanted, I was
ready to sell out. I was like, I'm gonna do
it because I can help everybody else. And then when
it was time, it was like, Nope, Nah, you can't
(45:40):
do this. But do you think you could do it
in the same environment of the location of LA and stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
You think you'll be able to do your plan without
because the ain't know a lot of selling out down
here in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, So you think you build a maneuver.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
With that kind of pressure of not selling out, but
yet still tap into I guess the resources out there.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, yeah, I can still do it. But it's not
the so so catches. I have to use my resources
much better, okay, Right, So like people like that I'm
in touch with, it's still going to be on me
to make it happen, right, coming for where I come from.
But most poor people are willing to sell out. So
(46:22):
are you going to ask your ask differently of your resources?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Now?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's still asking of one way. No, I'm going to
utilize them much better, you know what I mean? Like,
I'm going to utilize them much better. You know, you
can't ask more of them because then it just that,
ain't it. People don't do shit for you in LA.
If they think if they need you to do something
for them, I mean they not. They ain't in the
(46:48):
business of making sure everybody else is okay. They in
the business of making sure they okay. That's why you
rare and a lot of people in la still sell out. Sure, yeah,
they they focused on themselves. And it's not I'm wrong.
That seems to be the thing. It's just it won't
work for me.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Like I tell people, for me to be happy, I
have to have a happy situation around me. So I
got to focus on my situation being happy. For me
to be happy, I can't be around my friends who
are not happy because I won't be happy. So I
wanted my friends. I try to help my friends be
happy because then I know I'll be happy around them.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I saw a guy, Bubba Graham on Instagram today. I
shared his post with a friend of mine with a
group chat of minds because he was rapping and he
has this kind of really deep voice reminds me of
chub Rock. I thought he was a little feminine, you know,
I mean not nothing. But he was jamming like he
was rapping, he was getting off bars, he was jamming,
(47:45):
he was jamming. I was like, damn, this dude is dope.
Like not was he a dope? And see, but like
his presence, his confident entertainer, entertainer, he fantastic entertainment. Yeah,
he's entertaining, Like, man, this is dope. You know what
I mean, And I looked through his page and he
had a message and it was talking about your dreams
have never come true if you give up now one
(48:06):
hundred percent. And he just was saying some stuff to
me that resonated with me really tough. And I go
through his page and I realized he did come out.
He came out the closet this shit. And I was like,
of course, you know, I mean, I know that's the
TV shows for me too, But they didn't stop me
because I followed him anyway. Yeah, bro, I don't give
fuck who because it's fucking His music is good something.
(48:30):
It's got the music him as a person, it's an
energy that really could help people's life. He has a
great energy, like he could help people exist better and happily.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Because then me ask you this question, did you did
you get a feeling like he's being authentic of who
he is?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
There you go, That's what I felt, Okay. And it's
funny because like I tell trap trapping them over, they
undervalue culture like New York always talk about the elements
you all the five m it's for elementary hip hop
because culture is so no I call culture seasoning. Seasoning
is street up and season is so plentiful in New York.
(49:09):
Everybody season whether you get on the train, it be
a motherfucker worth one hundred billion and a motherfucker worth
one hundred dollars same train. So everybody gets seasoned because
they're on top of each other. It's like if I
put a bunch of meat and you just do it,
and then you just mix it up and shit, shit
go get seasoning, and some of it a little bit
more than others, but everything gonna have some flavor. I
(49:30):
feel like that's how we are with authenticity, and that's
the East Coast. The East Coast take for granted culture.
The West Coast takes for granted authenticity. I take for
granted authenticity because youre right, bubble Graham. I didn't realize
what made me be like this is entertaining and I'm
enjoying this. The authenticity was coming off like whatever he was,
he was that he wasn't worried, there, didn't care what
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people say, like you can just tell, and he was
just in his authentic self. I was like, man, this
big old nigga grooving because I you know what I mean,
likes do nonhing. That he was just just him, I'm
like this nigga grows and okay, all right, So I
followed him like I don't give fuck you know whatever
you're fucking doing. How long was you authentic? And that's right.
I think being from the West Coast, we take authenticity
(50:13):
for branded. It's almost expecting, like, yeah, nigga, what you
say you is, that's to say you are will be okay,
don't lie, but I believe you know you're gonna You're
gonna get tested and yeah, so we don't we take
it for granted. Like New York to me takes for
granted culture. New York City takes for granted culture. We
take for Brandon in l A authenticity. But that's what
(50:36):
we fight for, I think.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I think on the West Coast we fight for being
authentic and real, you know, because there's so much lies
and so even growing up through so many you had
that person that you can't miss. Whatever you say, they
got a better story, you know, And so we always
had that world. We tried to be real and if
you was tough, you want to be real, you know, tough,
(50:59):
you just want to talk to us, either tough or not.
So being authentic as a West Coast thing I think
we strive for. You don't think we strive for that.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
I think it just falls in our lap. I think
the country circumstance, like how circumstances create culture that street
urban culture, and it's so heavy in New York. I
think circumstances in LA creates authenticity, Like just a motherfucking
LA is gonna be more authentic than everywhere around the world,
Like a motherfucking New York City gonna be more cultured
(51:31):
in season than everybody else in the world. I think
you just gotta be yourself around this motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
So so, then because we're from where we are, do
you think we misunderstanding that we are that.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
No, I just think we don't have a value for
it or okay, yeah, like New York don't have a
value for I think I think Black American in general
don't have a correct value for culture, like culture period,
like like how we grew up. We don't really value that.
We only start to value it when somebody else starts
taking credit, like like niggas started talking about the nigga nigga.
(52:06):
I remember at a time Pete growing up for black
people talk the most shit about hip hop. Older black
people my dad's back man, baggy pants backwards packed that backwards,
cap shiit, y'all be listening to baggy pants backwards cap motherfuckers,
the Lord's touched. The biggest opponents of hip hop was
black people or I be like, all this ain't treading stealing.
Ask young niggas. You know, they talk and shit and
(52:30):
you know now that they think maybe somebody like a
Jamaican person or a Latino person, that's like, oh, you
know what, we hoped with it, but I oh no,
that was just all up. They're just young black people
in the ader cale, Like where the fuck did this
happen when those young people became old?
Speaker 4 (52:46):
That's that's always been in the case.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Thuff. It just get valuable when somebody else got high.
Don't get over years, you don't even want to. It's
like they like little babies, you know how little baby
don't even be playing with the toy. Did somebody pick
up the toy? Baby start crying want the toy? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, it's the same thing. Like you see that Like historically,
like two neighboring tribes or countries fight each other for
five hundred years and then another entity comes in and
fox with them. And now they're best friends and they
fight the other people off, and then they go back
to fighting each other again, like.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the power of the platform. Now let's get
into it. Watch up and welcome back to another episode
of No Sealer's podcast with your hosts Now fuck that
with your loaw glasses, my love so a technical difficulty
and were right back in the mix. Absolutely. What didn't
(00:36):
you like about the last conversation?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I think I was caught off guard enough about it,
like where I was just kind of like grasping at
straws a little bit off the cuff more so than
I would want to be typically, and it just kind
of like it didn't come off like I don't know,
(01:04):
like I came off of like a like kind of bumbling,
and I thought, like in general, like this, like topic wise,
it came off almost kind of like a little bit
like and it was largely because of me, like honestly,
like I felt like I made like myself looked dumb
and you look bad, like to be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
With you, Yeah, I thought I thought you was educating
me on a lot of stuff. I didn't. I didn't
really think it looked bad like I did only think
of like Charlie Kirk as a content creator. I mean,
I definitely almost even talking about that, oh my after later.
I'm just saying I think the episodes do be good
sometimes when you be informing me, be about when you
be informing me about the full scope or something.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Gotcha got you? Yeah, But like when we got into
like nonprofit stuff and whatever, I was just kind of like,
I don't know, there was no vision intact, you know,
in the in the thought thoughts.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Mm hmmm. So yesterday King, we did the podcast or
the other day we did the podcast for for the
for the for the feed, and it something happened to
the recording to where now we don't have access and
you won't allow us to download. So we're back doing
it again.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
This is all King's fault. Real, this is what happens
when you have men without a king.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And watch out something. You'll take a poll, watch it,
I don't take you put one online today? What was
the Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh who who made the Lunch Hour late today? Oh
surprised me. It wasn't me that Uh they said I
was the least one that got the votes. Oh nice,
It's like I can't do nothing wrong.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
There you go on my end right now, just f
y Oh never mind, we're back. We had a no
signal moment on the video, but the audio.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Was still there. Oh no, what was the conversation outsiders?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, outsiders. And then and then we got into like
trying to navigate that space between enticing an audience and
selling out on a on a content principle.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I was asking, I was asking Pete, like why am
I struggling to sell out? And why is that a
struggle for me?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And what Pe say?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Would you say? Pete?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I mean in general, it's like I don't want to
say like that that's a you problem, but like you
care too much. You you think like you worried more
about the the the people involved in what you're presenting
than the people to whom you're presenting. Whereas people that
are just media attention or or or even movie people
(03:58):
like I want to make a movie that gets the
most engaged audience. Their audience focused. They're not story focused.
He's story focused more so than audience folks.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, So I thought about I needed to become a
content creator about some shit. I don't give a fuck
about going against your whole norm. Huh No, No, I
didn't do it. I'm saying it would be hard for
me to over monetize street urban culture because I care
(04:29):
too much about the people they. Okay, you don't want
to exploit it to that degree. I'm not more worried
about the people that's enjoying the entertainment more than I'm
worried about the people that's representing. And that's the problems
die as a prime example in the rect I'm worried
about representing the people that grew up how I grew
up with, like Orlando Anderson or anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You said, you're more worried about representing the.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
People, Yes, okay, so I handled their legacy with care
more than let's say, the person listening who's only connection
the song is Tupac's Core.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, and that does okay.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Versus if I would have been more caring about Tupac
and Core, then I would have connected more with the
audience consuming the record.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Or the twour of more concern with the audience, because
I look at it like, if the audience is your
customer base. You're allowing the devotion to the subjects take
a front seat to your customer base in certain senses,
because you could just abandon them out the car altogether
and just say, look, audience, customer base, whatever the fuck
it is you want, that's what we're gonna give you.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Does that make sense? Who are you asking?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
King?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Oh, I'll still waiting for more?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well, heart asking me if does that make sense to me?
After I talk, so I could double check, and even
I the rethinking, go, no, it does not know why
I said that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
King is asking you a question and then you answer
this question, so I'm asking him doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, what you said about Tupac makes more sense now
the way that you put it, in the way that
Pete is saying, you're that type of person because like
people the audience see that, you know, Tupac was killed
this way, but for you that you're tied into the way,
you're tied into realness and the truth of who you
know and where you're from. You have to explain the
(06:29):
totality of both sides or the other side of it.
So I can see where Pete is saying, how the
carrying part of who you are overrides the misconceptions, are
not cleaning up the misconceptions. It would be like say
you were in the coffee they right humpet, Like.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Say you're in the coffee industry and you're more concerned
about the compensation of the laborers on the coffee field
and column than you are about your customers at the
coffee shop in America. So that would pinch down your
margin a bunch by driving your cost up, and it
would then shrink your customer base to a degree that
(07:12):
it would reduce it to like not a Starbucks drinker.
Now you're looking for like a specific, impassionate coffee drinker.
You know what I'm saying, something.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Kind of in that realm. I look at it like
like I'm like Norm and Mac McDonald and then like
everybody else is ray Crop. They do not care nothing
about the damn burgers. Like this is a good idea.
All right, let's shortcut. Let's take every shortcut as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I'm so happy you brought that up because I didn't
mention like the last time we talked about McDonald's and
the Big Mac, like you said you were mad at
like the other people will go on shows right, and
I'm like, I'm mad at the fucking audience.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh that's how, let me explain it to King. But
what I was saying, so we were talking about outsiders, right,
people who monetize the culture but they're not inside of it,
like somebody like Adam twenty two or like yeah we
said Adam, or like dj vladd I was saying that
I'm more offended at the person giving dj Vlad the content.
(08:15):
He said, he was more mad at the audience for
even wasting their time looking at this ridiculous shit.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Ooh yeah, And that's how I feel about McDonald It's
like the quality has gone down. I'm anytime I hear
somebody going to McDonald's, I'm I'm I'm offended by you.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Like, oh, Pete, I'm on Glasses' side on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Could it be that we as we grew older, we
started looking at McDonald's differently instead of not that it
changed and its taste and everything, but our taste changed.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Your standard slipped, No, they slipped way in the what
I was liking. So like, so like, if it's the
McDonald's argument, Pete would be mad at people going to
eat that, I would be mad at Norman mac McDonald
for giving Ray kroct this ship versus the average person
(09:13):
is upset at Ray Kroc for being a piece.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Of shit because Ray Crock just didn't care about He
just wanted to expand.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, and that's how it is. Like the average person
is mad at DJ Blad. I'm mad at the niggas
going over there to give him content and not holding off.
Pete is mad at the audience watching the dumb ass ship.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So where's everybody if you between the three of us,
we're mad at everybody. Everybody's yes, in the doghouse.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No seilings of the podcast. L my brother Peter Boson,
house Cat, my big brother King right here, we're doubling
back because we lost the first conversation. It's there, but
we got to strip it. It's gonna be bad quality.
So we just decided to do a fresh episode you
guys have on the feed because quality is everything. But
(10:01):
we will upload that one as a bonus edition because
it's not gonna be a great quality.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Ironically, quality is everything. As we talk about the collision
between quantity and quantity of skill, quality and quantity of skill.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And that's my problem, Like that's my problem, and I
was asking, why can't I sell out and just be
Ray Quack? Like what's stopping me from selling? Like what's
inside of me that stops me from being Ray Kroc?
And me? Like you care about the burgers too much?
Like the burger matters to you too much, Like you
care about really just you care about it. It means
something to you. Maybe your family was the first that
(10:36):
has some to do a ground b for Maybe this
is a business your father passed down. I have too
much care for the product and or the reputation of
the business versus Ray Kroc, where he was like, look,
the idea is good enough. Fuck that ice cream and
the milkshake. We'll get these powdered milkshakes. It's way more profitable,
it's way more convenient. And I'd be like, hell no,
(10:57):
you're gonna fuck up the quality.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And this goes all the way back to the sticks
back of the day. Probably could have down a little bit, buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So yeah, and it's crazy because that's true. I could
have cut it with a brake fluid or a cheaper
cut versus getting androx and all either because it was
so expensive. But it was the quality and that was
my thing. It was like, yeah, I'm selling shired, but
it's the best quality sharp.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, you're an artisan and an artistan producer.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think also too. You just don't want to lie.
Yeah that sucks, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And if you say you got the best quality of
something and you're not putting in the best quality, to you,
that's just a lie. So you're a person you know
that is really built off your own moral character and
standards just from within that you've seen growing up that
people are stilled. So it's not a question of why
you know you can't sell out. You don't have to
(11:58):
urge to sell out.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I do because I would like to be I mean,
I quite don't know what I would do a Ray
Croc's money, but I think I would like to have
it for other people. To your it is that's the
key thing. You yourself don't care, but you just said
for other people is why you do this? You just
said it.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well, you know what do you what do you want
to be giving out? Dollars are dignity, make a decision?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Dollars a dignity? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He said, dollars are dignity, dignity, dignity, Hey, that's a
good one for him right there, because you do like
to give out, you know, some good words of good
character building things. Yeah, but rent with this dignity, he
if I'm the only one that can be I know
if they're scared of them or not. But yeah, he
(12:50):
could do it. But yeah, I see what you're saying.
But it's your niceness and you're about truth and a
lot of stuff that we talk about that you say
is a lot of this because perceptions out there by
hip hop on the social media scene, because people are
coming in that's not even from the culture, as you say,
from outsiders, and now they're putting their perception on what
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hip hop should be trying to fit in.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, that shit. I just had this conversation earlier today
where I started to really consider, like my biggest fear
of peat with hip hop is that it becomes rock
and roll where you know, eventually it won't be a
space for the person that created it and the group
of people that created it. Right, it's easy in America
(13:33):
for things to just go somewhere else and let me
just fuck all this. I don't want white people to
just get their hands on it and then we look
up twenty years from now and all hip hop is
white and it's not cheap no more, not even cheap,
because I think it could be cheap, but it's just
all white. Like, oh god, it is never be cheap.
(13:53):
It's gonna cost because they're able to get in no doors.
We won't be able to get none of the stuff
that I mean, you could make it, but you're just
not gonna get nobody can finance it. And that's my
biggest fear. Was like country rock and roll, it happens
all the time. So because this was made specifically for
poor people to update the rest of the world or
(14:17):
the rest of black people on what's happening with them,
to broadcast the music was made to broadcast the problems
or the current state in that community. Right, I don't
want that to be lost, Like I don't want us
to have to Like I feel like hip hop got
a good run. It got forty years and seventy and
twenty nine. It to be forty years of hip hop
(14:37):
record fifty years, So you think it would go back
underground if that happens. It's already happening, oh okay, but
the decision could be if we allowed it Like that
battle specifically bought hip hop more time. But it may
didn't buy hip hop more time in the mainstream, but
it bought hip hop more time like hip hop could have.
(14:59):
It was going in a way where it was going left,
where it was gonna be mainstream, but it was not
going to look like any of the original people that
created it, that popularized it, that made it great. It
was going to start to look just like rock and
roll started to look in the seventies and eighties, and
it would have stayed mainstream. That was makeup and all
that stuff with people.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
There's a lot of been more so like when jazz
went to smooth jazz, even if you just took the
color of the like take Kenny Gy out of the
canj is like a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But that matters though, Yeah, but like he is the
face of jazz.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah, but jazz changed before he got to that point,
Like he came into a changed landscape.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Sure, so I think that was because like if it
was like night, like like the differen between like for
the West Coast eighty eight point one and ninety four
point seven.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know, yeah, that's but that's see to me, that's
what was happening with hip hop. We went to a
smooth of hip hop. Yeah, rap music, not even hip hop,
but a rat elevator.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
That's what you called drake here, that's ninety four sevens
in the elevator.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right, and then so guess what the next thing is
Kenny G. Yeah, And it could have been Jack Harlow,
could have been a couple other people. But it was
starting to happen until Kendrick kind of bucked up and
was like, nah, fuck that, I'm gonna knock this shit
off boom, you know what I'm saying. So I always thought, like,
(16:24):
I just find it weird. I was talking to him
and they just when did people get so mad at
poor people? Man? Like, when did like I watched so
many successful black people get so mad at poor black people,
like you hear it all day, Like I hear so
many black people saying, you know, it ain't it ain't
you know, it ain't black folks problem, It's Nigga's problem.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I'm like, oh, you said, when did black people
start being mad at poor black people?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, let's call it back to the Blues. Let's call it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Back then where they had the division starting up, you know,
where they was already getting mad. Because I told you
they start getting mad the artists and stuff and poor
people is because that's when the artists started coming up
and you know, doing music and started making money and
started getting with the other people was getting and that's
when they started getting mad because how could this person
(17:15):
with no education all of a sudden become a star
and start making money while we went to school and
we tried to sitmit like white people. But now this
dude is down there playing the blues and everybody's loving them.
That's when the hate started happening, because that's not like
they didn't deserve.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It, and that's how they did. And that's how I
feel like with hip hop. With me, that's how I
feel like with hip hop. To me, it's like it's
been so many years that poor people made existing in
these circumstances seem cool, that they have been the face
of cool for black people, and now people that didn't
grow up that way they're fighting it and they're upset
(17:52):
and they're like, nah, we cool too. Like I just
seen this thing with D One. He was sitting down
doing an interview and he was like, humility is gangster,
and it's like, no, it's not. Why do you why
are you trying to gentrify the Why are you trying
to gentrify the term gainst? Why can't humility just be humility?
Like I'm noticing people want to take shit from poor
people and then they want to read. They want to
(18:13):
colonize the word to something that fits their belief or
we can fit into this. Like I remember, being a
real nigga meant you carried yourself in this street world
with a level of honor and respect. You stood on
your word. Now it's like doctors want to be real niggas,
like the postman like I delivered twelve packages if theay
real nigga shit? No, bro, it's real post office shit.
(18:35):
You know me and my kids out, that's real nigga shit. No,
that's real fathers shit. Like they keep trying to gentrify
these street terms right to fit their life, and it's
like you cannot make that cool because it's not supposed
to be cool. It's supposed to be what you're doing,
you know what I mean, Like being humble is what
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you're doing. Why do you have to use the terminology
gangster to try because you understand the cache that comes
with these people, but just because you understand the cachet
of this term. You don't understand why that is cool.
So you're like, well, I can't make sense of why
being a gangster is cool. So but even people think
being a gangster is cool, and I think being a
(19:16):
gang is not cool because they shoot and kill each other.
You don't know what's happening, you know what I'm saying.
You don't know what's happening. So you're taking your Dennis
Hopper education based off of colors and making it the
surface of your idea. But then you don't think it's cool,
but you want to use the terms and a cool
(19:40):
way to talk about your behavior being cool.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know, it'd be funny that people don't even realize.
If they ask how many so called gamers had a
job in their life, people will be surprised. They'll be like,
surprised how many had jobs before?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You know what I'm saying. They act like we never
had jobs, and swims just no things.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wanted to go to school, people wanted to do all
kind of stuff, but the circumstances sometimes you make a
mistake and your chances of going to school is over.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Or you would have to have an understanding that it
is for you to keep pursuing it. It stopped school
where I grew up, where I grew up at my
mom went. Thank God for that. But school to most
people seems like more of a dream. College seems like
a dream of people, you know what I mean, Like
it's you're not even taught about it. The consistency you
(20:31):
know that, it's not the consensus taught, you know what
I mean. It seems more like a dream versus a
place you go to further your education. Like you almost
feel like it's an accomplishment to go to college versus
here's a chance to accomplish something. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I mean that's how we were raised. It wasn't
an accomplishment to go to college. It was the accomplia
was based upon what college you went to.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
See and that's not true where I'm from. Like Nigga,
if you went to college, you made it. It's like
getting a record deal. Yeah, but not not not making
a hit record, you know, or making means of dollars.
Just getting the opportunity to further your education was the
greatest achievement. Just getting an opportunity to have a hit
(21:14):
record is being remarked as the greatest achievement versus you know,
somebody teaching you, Hey, you know what, this is what
your life should looked like for the next sixty years.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Let me pull up back real quick to what you
were talking about with like people like like like gentrification
of components of hip hop.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
That's the the two way street relationship there between what
we were talking about at the beginning. Like, if you're
gonna like mass distribute art, that consumer is gonna especially
like not the visual arts, not paintings, but like cultural
(21:58):
arts like music. Those consumers are going to want to
at some point or they're going to at some point
have a liking for the artists and for what it
is that they're consuming, and at that moment they're gonna
want to mimic that and to some degree within the
scope of their own reality air quotes. But like, so,
(22:25):
if you're gonna, like say, like from an authenticity standpoint,
not want that to get diluted down by a broader audience,
you have to then barricade off your audience or potential
audience rather. You know what I'm saying, Well, I think
(22:46):
that like.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I think I've carried to that conclusion, which is why
we start talking about nonprofits. Like, I haven't conceided taking
over the world. I just think the world that I
care about is a lot smaller than I thought. Sure
that you wanted to take over. No, I don't think
I ever thought about taking over the world. But I'm
saying the thought of it is not slip me. I
just don't think the world that I'm thinking about matters
(23:10):
to me as much as like the whole world. Okay,
I see what you're saying. We were talking about California.
Like in California, like people don't, like the average person
don't have money because of how high living here is,
taxes all everything. Oh, how we needed to make a
business tax in the government in California. Like I happen
(23:34):
to be evolving into a teacher, right Like, I'm evolving
into a teacher. Whether it was about gang banging, whether
it's about hip hop, I'm evolving into a teacher that's
valuable in the state of California. To charge the state
of California to teach people or to go and look
up and discover art. That's the big business that we're missing,
(23:55):
you know what I'm saying, Charging the state of California
to go out and discover art or inform people. So
but I think, I don't know. I'm just getting to
a place where it's disgusting to watch people, you know
what I mean. I hate to use that word, but
(24:15):
it's to watch people be so sure they could judge
poor people that grow up how we grew up with
street urban culture, and but just want to take things
from them. Like I said, where somebody say humility is gangster.
Why can't humility just be humility? Why are you associating
it with this term because this term is cool, But
(24:36):
you feel like being a gangster ain't cool because you
don't know what being a gangster is about. You think
being a gangster is about the things you learn from
white people, you know what I mean? And I and
I don't. I mean, even in the white world, things
you learn from white people, like people think our campone
shot people every day. So I think I think that's
(25:01):
what I'm starting to kind of get frustrated with. Like
I keep seeing people say, oh, it's the end of
the street niggas, and you can just tell people so happy,
and it's like, I remember, I told you that story
about that dude that was complaining about that chicken he
was getting bullied. When he say he was getting bullied
to go buy some chicken, and shit, I'm like, you
should have stood up for me. That's we talked about
it on a stream. The dude was upset that he
(25:22):
felt he couldn't go to the Louisiana Chicken on Normandy
and Manchester because gang bangers would be there harassing him
while he's trying to buy a chicken. And I'm like,
that Louisiana Chicken probably is doing three ten thousand dollars
a day in business.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Is he aware that I've been to that chicken many times?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Say that again?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Is he aware that I've been to that particular chicken
restaurant many times?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, because he wants to propagate the lie that black
people don't know how to act when you're going to
buy food. Like this is the consistent story of what's happening.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Old on Pete Jim Dandy song, Pete, that's where he's
getting these with.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Remember the Jim Dandy sang he did about going over
there and getting some food.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but but this is how people appropriate
what you say into their own stories.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, but I'm a gang member from like a like
a somewhat. Again, I've been to Jim Dandy a million
times or enough times for me, and I know people
in the neighborhood, but it's it's I'm from a rival
competing there. But to you, what you just said is
gonna make that kind of person scared. Yeah, but that
has nothing to do with them. That's not what they
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They don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They don't see that there's a whole bunch of other
people coming there, customers, you know, besides the few gang
members that come.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
In that day.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
And I think that those types of people think that
if you are a person that would be intimidating, I
like a gang banger for example, that if that if
people there will would potentially do something to you. And
they're not intimidating, imagine what they would do to them.
But they don't perceive that it's a threat index determining decision,
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not just a your diversion based decision, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, I mean, you don't drive dear with a you know,
one hundred million dollar car and pull up in there
with jewelry on and everything that you don't know the place.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
And so we learned that lesson last year but you would.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Think you would understand that when you go around poor
people in general, like what motivates you to go around
poor people in general with a bunch of stuff on?
Like I know you have to look around and be
like this doesn't look promising around here, people are doing it.
I just don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I've never I don't do that, like I.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
This is funny because this is similar to conversation I've
been have with my parents for the past month about
crashing the Memphis trying to get.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh my god, Peter, I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
That's too scary up there, and they don't understand.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And like.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You, I could drive through a hundred neighborhoods like that
one hundred times with them, and if we took silent
notes about what it is that I see and what
it is that they see, it's gonna be totally different,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Like I see your role though for the movie in Memphis,
Now that's what I see. What role is that move?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, I mean they're production proximity.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yes, it's good move, and I do I do have.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Really reasonable rates. Uh, if you need to use any
if if if you need places to film. I'm at charge,
but it's reasonable, it's reasonable.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
No, I just think it's getting worse and worse, and
it's like it's building up worse and worse, like like.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Are you fighting it to where you know that if
you want to be able to help people, you're gonna
have to go in that direction, And are you thinking
about how far can you go in that direction to
where you say.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Fuck, I can't go it no matter what I do
like that, I can't sell out. It's not gonna work. Like,
it's not gonna work. So I figured out other ways
to subsidize whatever extra economics I want to earn instead
of earning. If I want to earn a million dollars
a month, I figured out other ways, or one hundred
(29:30):
thousand dollars a month, I figured out other ways than
not get it from selling out on social media, from
not selling out period. I mean, I just I don't
think I can do it, like I've tried. I've thought
about it a million times. I thought about doing liquor deals.
I'm like, I'm gonna do this deal, and when it happens,
it's like, nah, So a liquor deal would be selling
out for you. Yeah, Okay, yeah, it would be like
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like it had to be something I believe in too.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
No, I understand that, caud No. I mean with your
character and stuff, I understand it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But I didn't know like taking deals like that would
be selling out for promotional things. I thought you meant
selling out in other ways. I mean, that's all selling
out is. It's all the same things, you know, going
against what I believe in to gain what I want.
And everybody gets mad at me, but I always think
about it. I'm like, once you do that, you'll sucker dick.
(30:23):
You know, when does it stop? You'd be sucking a dick?
You know what I mean, against what you believe in.
It starts with something simple and then you at puff
party sucking a dick. You know, Like, if you're selling
a little bit of yourself, what stops you from selling
a lot of yourself?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
It's a gateway sellout.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I'm thinking, I'm glad motherfuckers don't think they sell theirself already,
because I'm thinking, like, yeah, I would promote some alcohol.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Don't believe in alcohol, so I could do it with integrity.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He drinks, you know. So I was like, damn, because
I would be even if not. I'm glad I got you.
Maybe we could. You know, we can sell you out.
You can sell out, you know. I mean I need
a few niggas around me that to sell out. But
then you got to worry that when they sell you out.
You know what I'm saying, Like, if you would sell
yourself out, you will sell me out too. Well. I
(31:20):
do weed, So whatever happens, I'm doing my life. But
it's the same to a degree, right, That's what I say.
I do the weed side of it. Ever, that's my life.
Have I ever drunk before? Oh yeah, I drunk before.
Different for you, And if I'm not saying I would.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Never drink ever again, I just don't like the situations
of drinking right now.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Is not something. I don't drink and drive.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I don't like sitting around and drinking and just you
have to be at a festive event. That's to be
something special occasion, like somebody getting married. Maybe I take
a drink and that's it's something, but not just.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Sit there watching game was drinking beers and shit, I'm
not with that. She is nasty.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
But I see what you're saying about, you know, not
selling out. But I was sticking along the lines you
was talking about, like content and stuff. Since regarding in
that direction of trying to expand what we're doing here
on social media, well.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That would be that wouldn't be selling out though, like
two problems. Not I didn't feel like one sell at all.
We'd have been able to run advertisement for it. It'd
have been the biggest thing. Well, I had to make
a few changes because they was like obviously the gang
was like, man, you're doing too much like people. It
is really hurting people feelings. You. We can't let you
just go wild with this. We can't just promote this. Well,
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Of what I mean, Like the current topics in the
world that's going on on social media. Some things you
don't like to touch, even those the current topics going
out there.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I probably, but I probably wouldn't even be. Yeah, I
definitely don't like the chatty patty part of it. That's
what I'm saying that to you. That's kind of like
selling out, even because everybody's talking about that on social media.
It's not like everybody's talking about it. That's not I
don't mind talking about whatever everybody else is talking about,
but at least I should care about it. Oh, Okay,
that's shit. I just don't even give a fuck about Like,
(33:10):
like I care about what's happening with that that girl
that they found in the Day's singers car. Yeah, in
that singer's car, and I really care about that, but
I kind of keep it toning down. Well, my thing is,
I don't know enough. Like I know what they say
they found, right, I know they found they had matching tattoos.
I know they said they knew each other. I know
the mom said she possibly had a boyfriend named David.
(33:31):
I know they was in this car. Like, I see something,
But I just I can't just jump to conclusions. I
understand what you're saying, but like, I agree with you
that there's certain things, But the conclusion I jumped too
doesn't have to do with the end result. I'm still
in the beginning of how do a thirteen year old
girl go missing and the police do nothing and she's
just down the street. That's the part I start off at. Easy,
(33:55):
what they're both to do? You know she's missing, Yeah,
come on, they spot to do go get her? They
got her the first time, Yeah, but they caught her
the first time. She would have to put herself in
position or slip up and get caught. Why didn't missing
people ain't easy? He said, what what David? But the
mom didn't know she was with David.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But come on, you see, they could pull phone records,
they could pull she has a cell phone, They could
pull all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
They just didn't because she's a Mexican girl. Eh, they
didn't pull it. You know what, I would argue that point.
Probably up until a month and a half ago. I
watched this documentary on Netflix about this lady that was
a grown up that went missing on the ship and
they think that lady's still alive. And like, I watched
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different things. I watched the show where this white this
white lady, this white little girl fifteen ciency old, little
white little girl, and this white man was fifteen sixteen
and they were getting cyberbully and the FBI loaned the
police precinct their their uh there, uh what do you
call it.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The forensics ship?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, they're uh that they helped them on the case.
Whatever the fuck the word, but they helped them on
the resources. They gave them the resources to help them
find like figure out who was bullying to come to
find out it was the girl's mom. Yeah, I seen
that one. Yeah, I said, you see that one too.
P See, So why everybody? And this is the thing
with me and up and this is why we're friends, right,
(35:29):
King as well? But this is why me and your friends.
I'm the only thing I noticed watching the whole thing
is when it got to the end, it was the mom.
That wasn't even the trickiest part. I'm like, why the
fuck would the FBI get into this dumb ass ship?
And that's the King's point. It's like, there's people missing
out here. You're worried about who talking ship to this
little last girl? Change your fucking number, you know what
(35:51):
I'm saying. Like, the only thing I remember about that
I can't remember the name. I can't remember the story.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I can remember the mom was doing it because that
was they couldn't do nothing to her because there was
no law at the time.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But she didn't even going to prison. I don't think
she was just talking about the time. No, she was
in prison because there was no law. She was in prison.
And part two was why the fuck would the FBI
get in the middle of somebody cyber bullying somebody?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Well that was because that was at the time that
was becoming a big crusade of everybody being bullied and stuff.
At that time, that's when the whole thing kicked off
of bullying.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So you mean to tell me, growing up in the hood,
we could add the FBI help us against bullies, but no,
we couldn't. That's my point. So all I remember was
the first thing. Number one I remember is the FBI
getting involved, and two was it was the mom. That's
two crazy things. I was like, FBM was like this,
I reached over to my I reached over to the
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guys at the FBI. The FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
got time to give a fuck about this little girl
getting some raggedy text message from some bitch. How they
they wanted.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I want to do what they have to do. The
FBI does what they want to do. I see it's
a connection. They knew somebody that knew somebody.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I see it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
I don't know what what when you say like resources
like a one, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
They gave them? They gotta data access the phone company.
They got a warrant, They got a fucking Federal Bureau warrant.
Send a letter to the phone company to pull the
IP address because the mom was using the mom was
using what's name of that damn show? Forgot the name
of that show. The mom was using like a thing
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that blocks her number, so she looks like she texting
from different numbers. So the FBI used a warrant and
sent over a messing cham something to the company and said,
give us the IP address or that's been hitting this number.
Damn like that's is the ship.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
It probably took them thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, real fast, real fast.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
They gave him thirty minutes of their time.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Everything's in cloud, real fast. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
All that shit they got, they got boiler played in
templates for all those words.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, Pete, I gotta ask you a question that, since
we're on that subject of things like that, here's their
underground tunnels in La for the rich and.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
The actors and stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I'm neither rich nor an actor.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Have you heard anything about that.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I've seen some little shit. I don't think so I
would side with.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
No, because they say Elon Musk did this. There's some
tunnels down there for Tesla.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
He and I think that's different. That's that's that ship
down a Hawthorne, that boring company stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, Okay, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah? Through
that Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I mean, if it's recent enough, maybe, but as far
as like old like lineage tunnels stuff or like rich
people to go house to house or something, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
So.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Okay, I know they had that. And what's that part
of Beverly Hills really nice? Like where the Playboy mansion
was at, well, Homby Hills. Oh, they have tunnose under
their guy tonos under their houses. Wow, they was doing
all kind of creepy shit. So are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So are you having troubles with thinking about that You're
going to sell out? Are you gonna have to sell out?
I just can't sell out. I just couldn't figure out why.
And I always look at myself in the mirror and
be like, last, just sell out.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
It's easy. I don't think you look at yourself in
the mirror and say, damn, swear to god, I do
I dream about if I go to see it, I'm like, man,
just sell out? Sell out? What what you mean? Like?
What to you? What's selling out? Selling out? Your morals?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Like?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I could turn the live stream into a much bigger
business if I just let go, if I focus. Like,
let's say, if I want to talk about Drake, I
could just talk about Drake everything he woreed an outfit,
look at Drake. Oh, you could have really go overboard everybody.
It'd be easy. I'm not even doing it right now,
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Like I would only mention something that has something to
do with hip hop. Yeah, that's it. I won't even
talk about it. I'm not. I could find a shit
every day and we could have the biggest You're right
cloud stream in the world. Then I could look up
thirty episodes after it's big and act like nothing never happened. Now,
you couldn't walk away from that, you feel some top
(40:28):
of way, you know what I'm saying. Legitly, I can
build it up in thirty or forty Let's say I
could build it up in eight or nine months and
then walk away from those conversations like nothing happened. And
that's not how I got here. It's like like I
could kidnap and hurt somebody, you know, mortally wound them
for ninety million, and then never have to do it again.
(40:49):
But I got ninety million, But then I would have
to live my life knowing I'm mortally wounded. Somebody and
kidnapped somebody for that. Yeah, you couldn't do that. So
that's how I feel like about selling out a like,
can I really say some stuff I don't believe? Like
even like certain fans like we talking, I'd be like, oh,
he's whack. You know somebody else writing all this ship
you know some things that I could play off some
(41:11):
facts and then overtly make it the truth, you know,
because it's rooting a little bit of facts and go
too far. Man, we be doing, you know, a thousand
dollars a day. It's super checks. But I can't do
it because I have to believe it. Like I would
have to believe this shit and I don't believe it.
Like people get mad at that. Why are you always
(41:33):
giving any props? I'm like, I'm not giving cuz props.
I'm just saying what I genuinely think. And that's bad
for business. Sometimes better just to use the power of
the milkshake. Bro, it's more money. It's crazy. It's as
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bad as people want you to cater ah believe. This
is my personal opinion. Politics is all about catering to
people's emotions. It ain't actually about solving shit. Those facts
people's emotions. It's about making people feel. Galvanize people's emotion,
making them feel whatever it is you're trying to make
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them feel. If they feel like you're doing the right thing,
you don't have to do the right thing. So it's like,
it's hard for me because I judge myself, Like I
barely could give myself off to let alone mislead a
bunch of people. Like it's hard for me to mislead
a bunch of people. I get frustrated that I'm off
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balance right now with discipline and diet and and shit
like that. Like that shit fucks with me because I'm
strong enough to do better, but I'm so busy trying
to figure out so many different things that I lose focused.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Wait what you fell off the Muslim dyet?
Speaker 1 (42:54):
No, no, no, not o Muslim died. I still only
one time of day.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
But I'm not That's one of.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Is Pete stupid. I'm not cooking as much like if
I cooked every day, I'm not drinking. I haven't got
through my gallon of water and probably a month, Pete.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
If I could turn the camera around right now, Pete,
this nigga got about six jugs down here with water
in each one that he leaves and never takes with them.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh like two.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
He just got water and these jugs that's not even
done drinking. I don't even know what to do with them, Pete,
I just leave it up there, like.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Or what, because I'm just not disciplined. Like my mind
is doing so many tricks trying to make sure I
get right what I'm putting so much energy into. So like,
but I think it starts with the water. I know
that sounds crazy. I think everything for the water boys
starts with the water. I'm making my business to get
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through that gallon of water. That's gonna compel me to exercise,
that's gonna compel me sell more due to do better
in business. Everything I have to get back down to that.
I couldn't figure out why you wasn't drinking water like
you used to. My body is like, my body is
so consumed with emotions and questions and doubts and and
and and and and and concern that I can like
(44:14):
its keep making drinking water harder.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Are those things made of water?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Are those things you just listed made of water? No conflict,
They still feel you up internally, they still fill you up.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Internally. So, but you say you got a plan so
you don't have to sell out to where you can
still gain if people was just talking about it just
making something that fit. I'm entirely too bright to not
to have to sell out to make a great living.
Like I can make a living doing what I'm doing
(44:54):
right now, but if I want to make a great
living where everybody around me is men, ao, I gotta
make a great living. I got to set up to
where a great living can happen. And it means doing
a few more things than making sure I'm okay. And
that's another pressure, you know what I mean, you know,
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doing the best I can for other people. That's a fuel,
but it is a responsibility. It is a level of
something that I have to give credence to. So like
that's another pressure of like not selling out to help
other people. Like that's another thing, Like I thought in
my mind, like for the plan for Wanted, I was
ready to sell out. I was like, I'm gonna do
it because I can help everybody else. And then when
it was time, it was like, Nope, Nah, you can't
(45:40):
do this. But do you think you could do it
in the same environment of the location of LA and stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
You think you'll be able to do your plan without
because the ain't know a lot of selling out down
here in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, So you think you build a maneuver.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
With that kind of pressure of not selling out, but
yet still tap into I guess the resources out there.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, yeah, I can still do it. But it's not
the so so catches. I have to use my resources
much better, okay, Right, So like people like that I'm
in touch with, it's still going to be on me
to make it happen, right, coming for where I come from.
But most poor people are willing to sell out. So
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are you going to ask your ask differently of your resources?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Now?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's still asking of one way. No, I'm going to
utilize them much better, you know what I mean? Like,
I'm going to utilize them much better. You know, you
can't ask more of them because then it just that,
ain't it. People don't do shit for you in LA.
If they think if they need you to do something
for them, I mean they not. They ain't in the
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business of making sure everybody else is okay. They in
the business of making sure they okay. That's why you
rare and a lot of people in la still sell out. Sure, yeah,
they they focused on themselves. And it's not I'm wrong.
That seems to be the thing. It's just it won't
work for me.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Like I tell people, for me to be happy, I
have to have a happy situation around me. So I
got to focus on my situation being happy. For me
to be happy, I can't be around my friends who
are not happy because I won't be happy. So I
wanted my friends. I try to help my friends be
happy because then I know I'll be happy around them.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I saw a guy, Bubba Graham on Instagram today. I
shared his post with a friend of mine with a
group chat of minds because he was rapping and he
has this kind of really deep voice reminds me of
chub Rock. I thought he was a little feminine, you know,
I mean not nothing. But he was jamming like he
was rapping, he was getting off bars, he was jamming,
(47:45):
he was jamming. I was like, damn, this dude is dope.
Like not was he a dope? And see, but like
his presence, his confident entertainer, entertainer, he fantastic entertainment. Yeah,
he's entertaining, Like, man, this is dope. You know what
I mean, And I looked through his page and he
had a message and it was talking about your dreams
have never come true if you give up now one
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hundred percent. And he just was saying some stuff to
me that resonated with me really tough. And I go
through his page and I realized he did come out.
He came out the closet this shit. And I was like,
of course, you know, I mean, I know that's the
TV shows for me too, But they didn't stop me
because I followed him anyway. Yeah, bro, I don't give
fuck who because it's fucking His music is good something.
(48:30):
It's got the music him as a person, it's an
energy that really could help people's life. He has a
great energy, like he could help people exist better and happily.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Because then me ask you this question, did you did
you get a feeling like he's being authentic of who
he is?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
There you go, That's what I felt, Okay. And it's
funny because like I tell trap trapping them over, they
undervalue culture like New York always talk about the elements
you all the five m it's for elementary hip hop
because culture is so no I call culture seasoning. Seasoning
is street up and season is so plentiful in New York.
(49:09):
Everybody season whether you get on the train, it be
a motherfucker worth one hundred billion and a motherfucker worth
one hundred dollars same train. So everybody gets seasoned because
they're on top of each other. It's like if I
put a bunch of meat and you just do it,
and then you just mix it up and shit, shit
go get seasoning, and some of it a little bit
more than others, but everything gonna have some flavor. I
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feel like that's how we are with authenticity, and that's
the East Coast. The East Coast take for granted culture.
The West Coast takes for granted authenticity. I take for
granted authenticity because youre right, bubble Graham. I didn't realize
what made me be like this is entertaining and I'm
enjoying this. The authenticity was coming off like whatever he was,
he was that he wasn't worried, there, didn't care what
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people say, like you can just tell, and he was
just in his authentic self. I was like, man, this
big old nigga grooving because I you know what I mean,
likes do nonhing. That he was just just him, I'm
like this nigga grows and okay, all right, So I
followed him like I don't give fuck you know whatever
you're fucking doing. How long was you authentic? And that's right.
I think being from the West Coast, we take authenticity
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for branded. It's almost expecting, like, yeah, nigga, what you
say you is, that's to say you are will be okay,
don't lie, but I believe you know you're gonna You're
gonna get tested and yeah, so we don't we take
it for granted. Like New York to me takes for
granted culture. New York City takes for granted culture. We
take for Brandon in l A authenticity. But that's what
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we fight for, I think.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I think on the West Coast we fight for being
authentic and real, you know, because there's so much lies
and so even growing up through so many you had
that person that you can't miss. Whatever you say, they
got a better story, you know, And so we always
had that world. We tried to be real and if
you was tough, you want to be real, you know, tough,
(50:59):
you just want to talk to us, either tough or not.
So being authentic as a West Coast thing I think
we strive for. You don't think we strive for that.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
I think it just falls in our lap. I think
the country circumstance, like how circumstances create culture that street
urban culture, and it's so heavy in New York. I
think circumstances in LA creates authenticity, Like just a motherfucking
LA is gonna be more authentic than everywhere around the world,
Like a motherfucking New York City gonna be more cultured
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in season than everybody else in the world. I think
you just gotta be yourself around this motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
So so, then because we're from where we are, do
you think we misunderstanding that we are that.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
No, I just think we don't have a value for
it or okay, yeah, like New York don't have a
value for I think I think Black American in general
don't have a correct value for culture, like culture period,
like like how we grew up. We don't really value that.
We only start to value it when somebody else starts
taking credit, like like niggas started talking about the nigga nigga.
(52:06):
I remember at a time Pete growing up for black
people talk the most shit about hip hop. Older black
people my dad's back man, baggy pants backwards packed that backwards,
cap shiit, y'all be listening to baggy pants backwards cap motherfuckers,
the Lord's touched. The biggest opponents of hip hop was
black people or I be like, all this ain't treading stealing.
Ask young niggas. You know, they talk and shit and
(52:30):
you know now that they think maybe somebody like a
Jamaican person or a Latino person, that's like, oh, you
know what, we hoped with it, but I oh no,
that was just all up. They're just young black people
in the ader cale, Like where the fuck did this
happen when those young people became old?
Speaker 4 (52:46):
That's that's always been in the case.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Thuff. It just get valuable when somebody else got high.
Don't get over years, you don't even want to. It's
like they like little babies, you know how little baby
don't even be playing with the toy. Did somebody pick
up the toy? Baby start crying want the toy? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, it's the same thing. Like you see that Like historically,
like two neighboring tribes or countries fight each other for
five hundred years and then another entity comes in and
fox with them. And now they're best friends and they
fight the other people off, and then they go back
to fighting each other again, like.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
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Speaker 3 (53:41):
Thanks for listening and celebrating five years of the Black
Effect Podcast Network with us. Keep following because the next
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