Conversations On Why Street Urban Culture Is Hip Hop

In this episode of No Ceilings, the Glasses Malone, Rose Gold Pete along with special guests Reed (Reed My Soul) and Justing Hunte (The Company Man) dive deep into the intersections of hip hop and urban culture, unpacking the distinctions between “hood” and “street” identities and the influence of criminal elements within the genre. They explore how media narratives shape public perception, while also examining the role of accountability and the ways generational shifts continue to redefine street culture. The conversation reflects on hip hop’s historical fascination with outlaw figures, questioning how these stories are celebrated and consumed. Ultimately, the dialogue emphasizes the balance between art and crime, urging a critical look at how authenticity, legacy, and cultural evolution will shape the future of hip hop.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
low glasses Malone. All right, so I've summoned this meeting
of the minds. I've summoned this meeting of the minds

(00:24):
because it's so much mayhem going out going around on
these Internet streets as they call them, even though they're
not the streets streets cornerstones accountability, but on these Internet sidewalks,
because they the sidewalks, it's just mayhem. And I'm a
big fan of Reid content. I always catch read content. Obviously,

(00:45):
Justin is my man, so I watch a lot of
this stuff. My brother Pete, we watch a lot of stuff.
King has been informing us on a bunch of stuff.
So I thought it would be interesting a talk about street,
urban culture and hip hop because I felt like Reid
was cooking in the stream chat and I was like,
I gotta make sure I talked to him so I

(01:06):
could really lock in and figure out exactly what he means.
And y'all know read, y'all didn't saw him really really smart,
really dope, you know what I mean. Podcaster and just
a great mind to listen to. You know what I
mean as a as a young man, so I wanted
him to say what he was saying about the hood
versus the streets, and let y'all hear his take and

(01:28):
his ideas so I can even have a better understanding.
And I got just in here, no selllings, glasses low,
my brother Peter boss, and we can make a happy Pete.
So so so read break down the separation and why
you prefer the term hood versus street.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, like I was saying the other day in the space,
which was a great space, I didn't hear. I didn't
catch the beginning. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I didn't catch the beginning, but I caught some of
the tail end of it and my my delineation. And
while I to say the hood versus the street is
because as you was hearing in the spaces, a lot
of people was miss construing what the culture is with
what streets is. And a lot of times when you
say street, people automatically think criminality. So I like to

(02:16):
say hood for two reasons. I feel as though the
street is very similar to ghetto. I don't like the
ghetto word because it derives from, you know, the places
where the Nazis will put the Jews, you.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
So that was basically and I have a theory that
you know, when we let Nazis come into America, which
is on paper operation paper clip, the same strategy that
they used in Germany, I felt as though it started
getting attached to black people, whereas maybe before the Civil
Rights movement and before World War Two, you know, we
were striving as a people, and so I feel as

(02:48):
though we attached a lot of these negative terminologies and
it was a there's a difference to me personally. I
think the streets is a choice and the hood more
so is something that we created. And it feels more
hip hop to me because one is short for neighborhood,
and I feel as though that's what we like to

(03:08):
coin it, you know, the hood. This is the hood,
and a lot of people know what the hood is.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
And and.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think even Head came in and he was kind
of trying to explain that a lot of people now
live in the suburbs. But I was even explaining before
him that even if people move to the suburbs, they
still have the hood on them because they have that
you know, that teachings in that background to where maybe
the street might be something a little bit more closer
to criminality than the hood. And I don't know, it

(03:38):
just it just feels better and it feels easier for
people to understand it, to kind of separate the two.
So that's kind of how I see it, And that's
kind of how I like to say it, because street,
you know, there's multiple different streets. You got, you know,
even Buddy, he's back by the Hell's Angels, which could
be considered street because you know, they do and they

(04:00):
do things like that, So I feel as though.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
They are a motorcycle thing, so they are often on streets.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Streets.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, So I mean I live in South Carolina, so
I'm very familiar with them. They are they are there
more so than maybe me growing up in New York City.
So when I moved here, I started seeing something different
and people would try to put them together and and
it was like, bro, but you're not hood, you know
what I mean, Like you may be out here doing
wild stuff, and you may be out here doing what

(04:27):
you're doing, but you don't understand this. And I feel
as though even a guy like Justin, who's you know,
very astute and very smart being the Oxford, he could
still relate to the street, I mean to the hood,
you know, and and maybe not b Street. You get
what I'm saying. So I feel as though it's just
a better word in the in an easier word to

(04:49):
get other people to understand the difference of what this
is and and what what the hood is. You know,
it's a it's a it's a feeling, it's a thing,
it's a it's a it's a it's it's more of
a community than I personally see the streets. And that's
kind of how I see it.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
You're gonna last about a second and a half before
one nebulous term is morphed into another, and hood, which
as much as is derived from neighborhood, is also rooted
to hoodlum and people are going to manipulate perceptions of
terms however they want to, and that will unravel quickly

(05:29):
just the reality of it. I don't disagree with your
point at all. I think that cohesion among people locally
is like the underlying principal foundation of this whole conversation.
So that makes more sense than like a transient pathway
through where people live, than to focus on where they
actually do the living.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
At Okay, So what I like to reference as hip
hop is street urban culture, and urban is really important
in that conversation, in the combination of both. I mean,

(06:11):
we'd have to accept that hip hop in this inception
had criminality to it right now, maybe not per se
the dancing part, but the graffiti part is a big
part of criminality. Now we don't consider that criminality, right
we look. I prefer the word rules versus laws, because

(06:33):
we understand where we grow up and how we grow up.
There's a different set of expectations on how you behave
like in regular mainstream America, like if somebody put their
hands on you, the correct thing to do is called
the police. In where we grew up at, right and

(06:54):
what you would call the hood or what I would
call the streets, that's not the room. The rule, you
know is if somebody put their hands on you, you
put your motherfucking hands back on them. And I just
feel like that something is missing in this conversation where
the streets carry this very negative stigma. Now I understand

(07:17):
to me why mainstream America again, black people have become
the face of the streets. They weren't always, you know,
at one time. You know, again, we could go back
to like you said, when the Jewish people had the
ghetto and they was doing they thing in the streets,
when al Capone moving forward to the to the Italian

(07:38):
Irish mob. Even right now nobody is mindful of tire
like Irish and Italian mob still doing anything. When you
hear people talk about street life, you don't hear them
talking about like Justin is out here. You don't hear
them talking about East La even though you know Pete,
Justin or King could tell you he's been around long
enough to know it's happening right now. And cut a hay.
It's happening right now in Bell Gardens. It's happened right

(08:00):
now in East La. It's happening right now in Commerce
where we're we're not there, we can't even you know,
we don't even live in these places. But the same
thing is happening. So it's the consistency of it all.
But for somehow, whenever we get involved in something, we
become the star of it. It's like it's painted like

(08:21):
these people defune. You would thought crips and bloods created
drive bys. You would not think drive bys had to
have been happening since the thirties, Like like, you know,
our Capone and those guys created drive bys. No no, no,
no rocket. You know, don Chito and Colors created drive bis.
I don't know why they can see our Capone do

(08:44):
it in the same films, you know, Dick Tracy, all
these old films. They just hitting everything. You can see it.
And you can see it in Godfather that came out
in the seventies when they caught him at the Tobo
and they hit him with that thing. Nobody going, that's
not that don't count. I guess it's a level of specialness,

(09:06):
you know what I'm saying. When the Mob did Boozy and.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Not the Tommy gun, that's what you're basically saying.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
And it's real because it's all based off something real.
But it's like that don't count. You know the Mob,
you know they wear suits, you know what I'm saying.
They my buddy told me, you know, they get with politicians,
And I'm like, so you you feel like their proximity
to wipe this mean that they crimes shouldn't their crimes

(09:33):
be even more frowned upon because of their proximity to
opportunities and possibilities no, Black people created dry boys, not
Al Capone in the thirties, black people in the eighties.
You know, niggas in La Crimson Bloods dry boys. I
just wanted to know, would you think of street urban
culture to me, just in like I think of lingo,

(09:56):
Like I think it's easy to take the positive things
the way we talk right, even though that's a crime
against humanity because the education programs are so bad, yet
we forced it. Still communicate. So that's where the slang
come from. The fashion, you know what I mean, at
the base level, you know, not obviously dapper dann where
you can go afford the two hundred dollars custom fit
when you got to take some this little bit of

(10:17):
money and get fresh, you know what I mean. Tim's
Jean certain jagget and you gotta make it work like
Wu Tang. I was telling my partner from Queens that
Wukan like Wuu Tang was an icon of a fashion
icon group. He just thought it was crazy because he
from Queens, So you know, Queen's got the money and
it's like, no, you know, we ain't we in Beamers

(10:37):
with BBS's and it's like them dudes was rapping about MPVs,
and I'm like, that was the shit.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
When you take this much money and you get this fresh,
this much money, this little bit of money, Muzzy Bowl's
money and you get shot fresh but now bowl fresh,
that says a lot about who you are. So I
think it's easy to take the street and kind of
reduce it down to crime, which is synonymous in every community,

(11:04):
every level, top to bottom. You know what I mean,
people fighting and shooting, It's just what happens. Like right now,
thug is being pitched as like, you know, this is
the street nigga Oho thug, a land of street nigga
eat no thug wearing a dress and shit thug calling
people his love shut out to the look. I have

(11:25):
no problem with a person that's a homosexual, but I
also know when somebody's manipulating me and they're doing something
to make a conversation happen at the expense of people
that are homophobic to where you know people are gonna
be talking shit about it, right so you using it
to me? Forgive me. I've been saying this for a
while now. I think Little Nasex is not gay. I

(11:47):
know everybody think I'm cris, But I know gay people
and as racist as that, Like you know what I mean,
how people like got no black people like I know
gay people. Gay people are regular people. There are some
gay folks. Is over the tipping his regular gay people.
He just gives me gay face, you know, like it's
just extra. I remember when he went to jail. My

(12:09):
boy was like, oh just recently, oh me and Glassious.
Oh no, no, no, he was on drugs. I'm like
that dude ain't on drugs. Oh man, you know he
was drunk. He ain't drunk. That's a publicity stunt, but
he ain't nobody. I'm like, bro, people are committed just
in up being famous, to keeping their names in the publication.
This is a job Tyrese. People think Tyresee is nutshit

(12:32):
bashit crazy. That motherfucker know how to be a celebrity.
He know when he don't have something great going on,
how to get into the front of the lexicon that
we call media. He just did a video other day
where he's crying. I don't even know what he was crime.
I ain't clicking.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
He got an album out, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
I thought he was crying about his dad. I think
this was about his dad.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
It's brilliant. That's his move, that's his go to move.
He know people are going to come look and talk
shit and share it. So you know what I did?
I didn't. I just called him in real life, Red,
Are you all right? I'm cool here? What's up? Nothing?
I see. I'm not gonna you thought I was gonna

(13:13):
engage and get in your comments section and be like,
are you all right?

Speaker 6 (13:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I called you in real life?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
You all right?

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Man? What you're doing? Man? Yeah? I mean I'm finishing
my little malibule, just painted it. Man, you know we
got this thing. Ain't looking you ain't had a half
of sadness or nothing. Man.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
I'm Grace's phone number when he cries, so people can
check on him.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Zach and the more personal.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
That would be an even better market than trick worked
for my job. I be in front of TMC justin
Trent that had to post my shit glasses leaks Tyree's
numbers to call it so read. What do you think
of street co When you think of street culture, like
I think I've heard you say this, and I think

(13:56):
it does carry a negative stigma. But when you think
of street urban culture, what do you think of that
You feel like you would associate like say, a thug with,
but you don't associated Killer Mike or Ti I.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
With No No, No no. I. The funny thing is
every time I mentioned street when I'm speaking on these people,
I do this specifically for a reason because I feel
as though the streets in which you talk about and
I've gotten into arguments for other people before, and the
streets in which we have today are totally two different things.

(14:28):
When you speak, you speak of the honor, you speak
of the rules, the the you know, the chain of commands.
The streets that I wouldn't say I grew up in,
but I grew up around when I was younger, the
streets that told me, hell no, you know, like you
a hustler, you get money, You're not gonna You're not
You're not gonna you're gonna fight. But this ain't for you,
you know what I mean? Like I used to sell candy,

(14:51):
I used to get like and I had a situation where,
you know, I was doing this and it was like,
some real dudes told me this ain't for you. Whoever
put you onto this, That's what I really want to
talk to, because you get money and I listen, right.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
So yeah, that's pretty consistent around the nation. Like I'll
give homies credit, like the streets the street coach will
take a bad rep if they think you could potentially
be specially like a football player. Yeah, like, hey, homie,
you I give them credit. Like, look, it's easy to
blame poor black people that grew up the way we

(15:26):
grow up for a lot of shit. But I'll give
them their credit. If they think you could be special,
they don't kind of protect you. They'll be like a
hold up, nah nah. I remember the first time I
start trying to sell drugs, right, and I go to
my older hommies. I'm like, amen, I ain't gonna say
their names. I got a bad habbit because I was
gonna say exactly what pete know where they are, know
where they are. And I was like, man, hey, man,

(15:47):
I want to try to get in the spot. Man,
get a sack. They're like, you know, man, getting all
a's all a's. I had to press them and offer
my services open as men many times to where they
was in a situation to where they needed somebody they
could trust. And then still at that time, the homie

(16:08):
still wasn't trying to have me game bag and it
was like a glasses tripping. But once they saw how
committed I was and selling dope, it was like, well,
if you're gonna throw away your life, let me show
you how to perfectly. Let me show you how to
perfectly do this, because you are not gonna do this
right if you're not informed how to throw away your life?
What am I missing? Justin? What am I missing? Dog?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I missed?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I missed the last thing y'all said. I had to
refill my water cup.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
All good, All good. I'm saying, what is it about
the streets that make people like? Why is it? People
can't see obviously this culture is what you're seeing in
hip hop, Like, why is it the streets are just
this negative place where people think, like you know what
I mean, versus us flipping like this misfortune into like
this beautiful artistic thing.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Here's the difference. Oh, let me say this for quick.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
Here's the difference, because I'm probably one of the oldest
ones in this chat right here is the respect. I
think the respect of the streets changed along the way.
You know that the way people viewed the streets now
versus the way we viewed the streets before. The respect
of the streets is different. I don't think the people
respect the streets like we did growing up because we

(17:19):
knew it was out there. Now they don't know what's
out there, so they don't respect what's in the stry
and that's.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
What we see on social media. That's all I wanted
to say. I think.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
To your question, gee, I think people don't see it
as something that comes from a particular culture because in America,
particularly black people don't owe nothing, including our bodies, right,
So when anything is good, it's American, it's us, and
if it's bad, it's the niggas over there. Stay of

(17:55):
the fuck away it.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I just think it's the truth.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
No, no, I'm not mad. I feel like that about
hip hop.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
It's like people wanting the American thing now that Hey,
it's an self expression of all the things we can
do because we pulled ourselves up from our bootstraps.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Ho Racio alger Like. Think about how they felt about
graffiti as an epidemic in real time versus now how
it'll just be there now they use it. They like, hey,
paint this on the side of my building. People should know.
I like black people here, so he put a burner up,
I hear.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I will say this.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
I say the point on graffiti though, because graffiti is
literally the one illegal element and it literally is right.
And I'll say this, Not all graffiti's the same, guys. Sure,
not all graffiti's the same. The random tag is not
the same as the overnight masterpiece.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's not the same as the mural.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
You're gonna be tagging up subways and people don't be
tagging by the front door to my studio. See, it's
not the same. If I commission something dope, I think
that's where the revolution happens.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, I mean, he's an art on your front door
and you didn't know, right.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
Like the episode of the Boondocks, if Riley came over
was doing his Bob Ross, I might keep it. Chances
are it ain't gonna be a Riley. It's gonna be
somebody fast.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
It starts right there though, that's how you start. So, like,
you know, if the first burners ain't wasn't always the
best thing. So, and I'm not saying it should be okay,
but I feel like we don't accept the things that
negatively are found upon by society as part of the art,
as part of why the art is what it is, Like,

(19:48):
how do you get great DJs without stealing electricity from
the City of New York.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Or scratching the record?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
He was borrowing.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
It was borrowing see black ball, right, But how do
we get that if we don't have the park jams
peete where you snatching the election? How do we get
equipment without the great blackout and just you know, falling
into a building and happened to leave with some equipment.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I mean, you know, seek lessons, I feel like, and
this is where I like, we take it to the
macro where you know, black skin is already like most
of the rules were set up against us, right, so innately,
our skin and what we do is already just political, right, Like,
it's already a political thing. So you know, even with

(20:35):
the you know how marijuana's changed, and that used to
be a very big thing, right, and it was attached
to from what I read, you know, most of the
drugs was all white women go and sleep with black men, right,
It was a lot of that in the early days.
So I feel like over time we changed these things.
So at first, yeah, it may seem a little criminal,
and yeah it's breaking the rules, but the rules are

(20:57):
kind of made against us. So it's kind of like
you kind of pigeonhole, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Like, I agree, I've been on record and Charlie Man
got mad, everybody got mad. I'm like, you're not a
real black man if you never went to jail. I
know that sound hella crazy, but you gotta at least
go to jail once. How could you be in America
and not win to you're black? Yo, I know that
sound crazy. I'm not saying you have to be convicted

(21:22):
of a crime. I'm not saying Pete. I'm just seeing
got mad with the white folks with smoke, crazy shit
in jail. Hold on, you said you people never got
mad and locked you up at least for Pete, at
least for seventy two hours, and let you like, we

(21:42):
need to show him you would never put you on
your place.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So I give you a story real quick, and I'll
make it quick. So my mother worked for the Dirty
thirty and the Dirty thirty. She is civilian. She used
to work for the Dirty thirty. This is in New
York City and the Dirty thirty around. Saint Nick.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Tell him around, tell him what the Dirty thirty. I know,
but people don't.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Thirty thirty is a famous, a very famous precinct in Harlem,
New York City, around the one hundred and forty section
Upper West Side, about one hundred and forty one hundred
and forty third. I think it's on, but my mother
was civilian. She she worked for the for the city
or whatever, and she worked at the Dirty thirty. So
my mother allows me to go to a party for

(22:23):
the first time in my life. Well a house party
without my brother, sure, And so this is my freshman
year in high school maybe, and so I go with
my friend Donovan. We go hang out with the old
why guys, these are the dudes on Saint Nick And
we thought about getting some stuff, but we was like, nah,
we don't need that. We're good. And we kind of
hung out waiting for the you know, the instructions to

(22:43):
go to the party. And so we're sitting there just
hanging out, doing nothing, loitering as one would say, you know,
just chilling. And so the paddy wagon pulls up. One
dude runs that way. The rest of us we ain't
doing nothing, So we stayed there. We get pat down.
One brother said, you messing with my rights. He started
getting a little, you know, a little feisty. I'm standing
right next to him, you know, they patting us down,

(23:04):
doing the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
And so.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
He get pepper sprayed. I get a little bit on me,
and you know, I just knew on my head what
was about to happen, you know what I mean, I
just knew, Like I'm not worried about these police, I'm
worried about my mom. I know where we're going, I
know where precinct is there, and so we go. The
main guy he recognized me. You know, he don't say
anything in front of the crowd. He kind of sends
me and my friend over to the other side. True story,

(23:30):
and so he like, you know, he come to me,
what you're doing, you know, like what's going on? Da
da d da da da da da. And I'm like,
I don't know nobody, I don't know nothing. You know,
my mom work. Here's what's gonna happen. You know, like,
you're gonna call my mom, You're gonna let me go
because I don't want you to call my mom, you know.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
When the first time I went to jail, that was
the same thing I went through.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Don't call mommy right, and every day, just don't tell
her just the rest of officer. She did that because
she did not like my mother. My mother was They
wanted her to go into the smoker New York talk.
That's they put on gloves and they fight it out.
That's how police solve their problems, and that's how they
do a thing. So you know, my mother do clerical
work or whatever, and everybody loved hers. So he was like, listen,

(24:11):
I gotta call your mother, and I got to call
his father. Y'all good know nothing. They gave me the spill.
You shouldn't be hanging on the block. Somebody just got
shot there last week. Da da da da dada. So
that was about the closest I've been. Yeah, the prison
system we was in. We was in that prison, Yeah,
to jail. That's about the My mother came.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
She was crying, my job. I told you to just
go to the party.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And I'm just like, I didn't do nothing, you know,
and and that yeah, that that the crazy thing is
we didn't do nothing. They were smoking blacks, you know
what I mean. Like nowadays, that call couldn't even happen
because weed is legal in New York now.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
So it's like you go through that and you like, dang,
Like I don't know if I was one of those
other boys, where my life would be today if it
wasn't for that. So that's so that's literally the closest
I've been, and I knew it the whole time I
sat down.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
This is because I'm black.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
It's because I and I tried to figure out every
other way. Oh it was Buddy that ran. It was
because Buddy got tep the spray because.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
You think of your mom working like it can't be yes.
But that's what I'm saying. Just so that's been my
personal thing, like how could you be black in America
and not at least went to jail and not being detained.
That's just crazy, Like you just ran across all reasonable
white people in police officers all the time, every time,

(25:35):
like all of this shit. So I feel like hip
hop feeds on that energy right where a lot of
our existent, especially being in the Bronx right where you know,
as far as Burrows go, like that is people gonna
figure figure that's the least fortunate borough, right, It's gonna
be the least of opportunities it's hard, like you know

(25:56):
what I mean, Like this ain't gonna rob you. Bronx
is gonna just take your head off you. I mean,
they want your blood, forget your money. So I could
get how hip hop can be forged there, I just
don't figure how could we separate it from the criminal element,
at least from America's perspective, because I do remember seeing

(26:17):
remember even the even idea of what they call it
wild out. Remember this is this is the uh, the Boys,
the Central Park five, like so many things are affiliated
with things that were considered crimes. How we carry ourselves
just in this inception, I mean, and I do think

(26:39):
there was a moment in hip hop where we presented
it as the observers. To me, I know, Mali Mail
was some shit. I met mail once. Mail was some shit.
Prime Mail was some shit. But I respected that they
presented it as the observers. But I also so understood

(27:00):
when Chris came right nwakme and just Ice came and
then started presenting it as a participant, if that makes sense.
So even the first hustle that I remember talking to
a lot of the first generation people in hip hop,
the crime of choice was being a stick up kid.

(27:21):
That was a big thing in New York, you know
what I mean, Like you ain't got to go take it.
That was a big thing in LA. I wanted the
leather jacket. I can't afford to take it, and it
seems so helpless. But that's a crime. So I just
I don't know how do we separate that element from
hip hop. We want to take the fashion right, We

(27:42):
want to take run DMC wearing track suits and Adidas
as if that's not what the dope boys wore. That
ain't just what you wore. That ain't even get fresh
Tuesday outfit. I mean that is a specific dope boy uniform.
Rest in peace to jam Master J. That's a oh boy.
The Mafia we used to think they wear suits. No,

(28:03):
they would wear track suits. Brothers would wear track suits
with Adidas. That means you was getting to it. I
just don't think. I think it's not fair to separate
it when we don't like it, you know what I mean.
I feel like to accept the greatness, you have to
accept the bad, and humans have a hard time doing that.

(28:25):
And it's kind of starting to be like like, yeah,
for every young thug, we got got a t I
gotta kill a mic. You know what I mean? We
got a big boy. All of these dudes are street dudes.
Not one of them I name. See though, then you
got theug most of the time. More times than not,

(28:48):
you get a bunch of real comments and street dude
loo Pay is a street dude. Lou Pay try to
pitch it like he was no Pay full of shit?
Tell him I said it. Trust me, Lupe understood what
I was saying in my first records when I was
at my ross talking very street. He knew what it was.
He was like, Oh, this nigga is serious. How do

(29:10):
you know I'm serious? Loope? How you don't even know
what the fuck I'm talking about? If you was some
skateboarding nerdy kid, because I'm a nerdy kid, how'd you
know what I was talking about? When I start talking
about water? Nigga, you knew what I was talking about.
You knew what water is. Why do you know that, Loope?
Because your ass is street and I'm tired of niggas
acting like they're not. It's okay to like, we don't

(29:34):
just go one way. Street people ain't just a bunch
of ignorant people. There's some people that's crazy. That's in
every walk of life. You ain't got to be from
a gang to be crazy. Gaysey wasn't from a gang.
Doamina wasn't from a gang. They're just crazy. So of
course you're gonna get a few crazy young thugs. You
got all this money and you putting hits on people.
You don lost your mind. He ain't lost your mind. Yeah,

(29:56):
you're gonna be in jail talk Oh ya, I'm mad
at this persons. Person won't get on my album. Sure,
but you're gonna get a big boy. You don't get
a tip. You're gonna get a killer Mike. You don't
get a Low. You're gonna get a lot of great
brothers that this culture rises and provides an artistic expression
to So I guess my fear is separating it from

(30:20):
the streets. Like I don't like I got TV. I
don't need an Eddie wins Low and rap rest in
Peace to to THEO. I don't need a THEO and Wrap.
I had THEO Huxtell, I had Willis in real life.
I don't need them in hip hop. I've been watching
their story since the seventies. I've been watching the Suburban

(30:40):
Brothers experience since the seventies.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
When I could the seventies had the suburban brother experience.
I mean, what were you watching in the seventies that
had that.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I wasn't even live in the seventies. I'm saying, I mean,
in general, like on Nick Night, I grew up, I've
always had a suburban brother experience.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
I'm just saying, like, because I feel like that's actually
a relatively new thing. Like I don't look can THEO
huxable to say my man lived in Brooklyn, he went
to a public high school.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
I think that there's an attitude that also captures this
conversation that maybe you're not necessarily the trigger man, the
one holding joystick, but you're still not outside of this culture.
You're not outside of this energy, this attitude that sparks
all this. I don't look at I don't look at
THEO the same at all.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
No, but I'm saying I don't think THEO. I don't
think most of Burdon Brothers is out of this conversation.
Oh the ain't not better. They still go to school
with me, they ll coolch A is from an affluent
place in Queens. He went to school with everybody else.
I'm saying I've had that experience on television. The first

(31:41):
time I ever saw Rocket was in the movie Colors.
Second time I saw Rocket was in a movie Boys
in the Hood. Third time I saw Rocket was Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Be You see Rocket in B Street? Hell no, no,
because they breaking one, breaking one.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
You know they think Friday Man man got electrocuted running
on the train tracks.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Wait for the It mean like it was over art.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
It was crime.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Nobody seeing it.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Listen, he got electrocuted. I knew not to go near
the third rail.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Because of B Street.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right, I'm asking my brothers from Queen shout out to Trap,
shout out to Les. I'm like, it's murder music against
the rap album. No, because for some reason, that same
element of crime in L A Is different. You would
think people in New York is killing over like I said,

(32:46):
raps in dances or something like bro it's the same
thing happening in Los Angeles.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
I think that's the different. I think that's the branding
that that got that got that flip. No, it's not
even the movie. It's was a village Voice La Weekly right,
because Drey and them was calling it reality rap. Yes,
and I think all this falls under reality rap. Yes,
everyone look at it. And then because LA has so
many more cameras, so much better with marketing, better at

(33:15):
making small conversations really loud.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
I think that marketing.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
When La Weekly or Village Voice, when they started calling
it gangster rap and that hit the news, I think
that is a.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Palatical fear to be peddled on television.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
I think that is something that is gripping enough to
parents to keep their kids away, to put a parental
advisory sticker on it. But I think and that ends
up being a different distinction because of the way people
from LA describe it.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
But the only thing that bothered me is when the
East Coast Brothers didn't stand up when they say, hey man,
those same things are happening here. That's just reality, like
they said, like the Brothers on the West End, that's
just reality. We live in places where people fight and
sometimes settle it. Primitively, they was like, oh, you know
them brothers on the West you know they got the
colors going on.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I think things started to change in the nineties, and
that's where you see a lot of the buck fifty
stuff Because like I was born in ninety three, and
I say this a lot of times. Ninety three the
murder rate New York, I think it was like two
thousand murders. You know that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Now, right.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So I think that like New York started to transition
into that when you started getting the biggies, when you
started getting the jay Z's, and maybe a lot of
the older guys from the eighties was like apprehensive that first,
but as you guys came along in the nineties, it
started to reflect that, you know, two of the most
corrupt police systems is on either coast right New York

(34:33):
in LA And I think it started to reflect that
a lot. And you get the DMX's and then you
get the onyxes and then you get a lot of
that switch. But maybe those guys from the eighties that
were more so trying to you know, was really doing
the same thing after the message. Really, if you really
think about it, was the same thing.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Once the message came, it was like, Okay, there was
a switch.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
What we're doing, what we're doing this all day?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
It was just and I'm ready to go off, gotcha it.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
So I think a lot of those public enemies and
stuff were you know, those guys. I remember saying it, man,
we're not doing that. Da da da dah. But over time,
the younger crowd, the younger the next up and comers
was like, nah, this is our story too. And then
throughout the nineties, Yeah, that's when buck fifties and things
started to get kind of crazy, you know what I mean.
And then I remember then Giuliani came and had to

(35:22):
clean up the city, and you know, growing up, it
was like, oh, well, you know, I didn't go to Brooklyn.
My dad from Cornealla. I didn't go to Brooklyn. You
didn't go from He was all, you don't go to Brooklyn.
What's you going over there for? So there was that
energy and maybe the older guys was like wagging their finger,
but the younger guys like nah onyx. And then you
started getting that more, you know, that different vibration from.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
The aren't start reflecting closer to what was overtaking over
the communities, or to me, what had already been happening
but was kind of hidden. And I think there was
a fear of like, if we tell too much of
the truth, this ain't gonna work out. And then somebody realized,
like you know what, uh, yeah, we could actually tell

(36:06):
the truth. Ice T told me that. Ice T told me,
you know who came up with that? What's funny is
you know who came up with gangster rap? Russell Simmons.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I can't remember. I thought it was it was it started.
It started in the media, and I think.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Russell not gangster rap as far as the term, but
what people reference as gangster rap.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
For give me just about.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
So ice Tea is doing, you know, because at that time,
if you're rapping an eighty in the mid eighties, you
only have New York. That's all you have as a
reference point. You don't really have hip hop outside of
New York at a successful level. So ice T said
he was watching it, he was making his raps, he
was doing his ship, but it sounded like New York.
And he was at a club. You know, even how

(36:50):
he was dressed, if you see the movie Breaking, how
he was dressed kind of like you know, Grandmaster flashing
the five and he had to spike very spicy baby,
you know, all that flashed it on and looking like
seventies rock star, you know, in the early eighties rock star.
And he said he went to a club. I think
it was either club radio or another club. And he

(37:11):
said he was wearing the street clothes. He didn't have
time to go home and change his outfit. And there
was a paid giggy at and he wore the La
quintessential street clothes and he went up there and did
this rap and Russell saw him and walked up and said, hey, man,
this is what you should look like. We don't want
to see rap in New York here. We want to

(37:32):
see what it looks like here for you guys. He said,
even when you rap it, we want to hear y'all struggle,
y'all story. And he says he's still worried about doing it.
He like, man, I don't know, man, this could be
a problem to me. Like, man, mohommie still hustling. I'm
still kind of hustling. I don't know. Everybody gonna know.
And he said he heard Schooley ds PSK and it

(37:55):
gave him the courage. And remember PSK is still kind
of in rapperville, you know. He talked about knockings in
one by one, I'm knocking him out. And then but
he goes back to DJ and ks for the way
my DJ cutting of him sees man ain't saying nothing.
He said, you know what, fuck it. And he didn't
rap about no rappers, no DJs. It was about pimping,

(38:19):
going to prison, coming home, getting to this money, running
from the police, the traditional street urban culture experience for
the Nish group of people in Los Angeles, and it
worked out for him because people could believe and they
could resonate with this kind of cowboy energy, this outlaw energy.

(38:41):
So I genuinely feel like hip hop will always be
an outlast sport, even though there are some things in
it right that are very much Kanye West. But even
Kanye on his initial shit tried to make itself sound
like he was kind of bad, like he stole some

(39:01):
pants from his job.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I used to work at the Gap too.
I should do that. I really related to that. I
was like, Yo, this is really honest, and I worked
at me. I worked at the Gap too, and I
called it.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
I called it an accessory of the day because anything
under fifteen dollars didn't get a security tag.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
So I would just.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
Go in the morning, but that had on seeing it
all day, like I had it on all day and
then just go home.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I'm glad we could bond. I'm glad we could bond. Oh,
I'm glad we could bond over this craft right right right,
the connection.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
You gotta get it, how you gotta get it.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
We are brothers in America.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Everybody got their old risk tolerance. We all got our
old risk takers.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Look, hold on, Wait, So where I was going with
it is that that all of this makes sense. Sure
we're seeing now and what we're seeing on the tee
on the screens right now does not make sense. I've
been because I forgot you did this podcast. I've been
catching up on it the last few days, and I've
been trying. It's been You've been on a run. And

(40:13):
I know you know.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Tobor oh though to borrow hello, all this shit today
tomorrow is own. Oh my god, his own.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
But I've been seeing you even try to explain, I've
been watching you, trying not to say this is shitch
but you.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
But then EVERYTHI I'm being honest, like I'm being honest,
Like I'm being honest, Like that's the one thing I
pride myself and justin to tell you, I pride myself
in being honest. So even like in thugs case, I'm
listening like, Okay, did he inform on somebody else breaking
the rule? And no, So that's why I said, he's
not a rat, but he's a snake. But you dirty

(40:50):
mack your homies to the police bro for two hours.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
If people keep trying to say what's worse, I'm like,
I'm not fucking with him way before this, but he
a snake. I just can't just jump out the cliff
and just label him something because it feels close or
even at the end when he said, here's my number,
you know, if you want some more information, just let
me know. You know what I'm saying. It just loans
in little public that is very not cool. But I

(41:15):
can't just jump out the window and say that he
told with.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Out going real far in it, because like I haven't
followed that trial like to the level of.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Is that so what he did was similar to what.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Happened in that audio piece exactly came out the Chicken
with My home the song with My Homeboy.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
So if you listen to Glasses justin there are these
clips where this dude is talking. Now this is my
young homeboy from my neighborhood, Baby Gotty and gott.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
He right, you use them throughout the project.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yes, and that's real. It's just like, this is three
hour conversation that he's happening with the police. And what
happened was the case that he was involved in, right.
They was asking him to see if they can get
information from him. That's part of my one of my
other young homies, see herbos that's part of his discovery.
So he heard it, and god, he did some bullshit.

(42:13):
So he emailed it to all of us. Mind you,
I had just gave this nigga some money. Mind you
remember this is years ago, so I have it now,
and I'm like, he sat right there, Now, why he
didn't snitch? He never said, hey, you know what this
person did this and this cryd this person. He's like, no,
I don't even know. I wouldn't even you know, y'all
heard about that, but you know, I don't know. Yeah,
I wouldn't. But he sat right there, read and talk

(42:35):
shit about every homy for three hours. All this nigga
fucked my baby, mam. I can't stand these niggas. They
some bullshit niggas. And yeah, and like you know when
we saw you guys were beefing with this gang, you know,
and they put out some video jyt see, I don't
fuck with that. All these rap niggas from the hood,
I don't fuck with that. That's like I gotta That's
why I'm fuck with that, dude, Glasses Along, Nigga, I
didn't know you didn't fuck with me when at this start?

(42:56):
And why would you bring my name up in a
double homicide? How the fuck out of all the shit
that they talking about? This is glasses Malone in twenty sixteen, seventeen, Nigga,
I ain't even barely hug out and dank y'all. I'm
in Germany or we on the road or something, Nigga,
I'm not around. Why how did? But he was just

(43:17):
so busy trying to be cool. And that's to me
what thug did. He was so scared maybe maybe you know,
he knew what happened, or he thought they thought he
had something to do with it, so he just tried
to Like, you can't make friends with these people. These
people know, that's almost like.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
A three D chess psychological like mind to warp, Like
I'm gonna give him so much nothing, They're gonna think
they got a lot.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Like he's smart, and I know niggas like that ready
smarter than the police. I'm like, bro, your job is
to do a lot of dumb shit. Their one job
is to get you. Nig get a bonus if they
get you, don't say nothing. So I'm with you. Read
I think they highlight that person that's not what's happening

(44:01):
in the streets.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
And like you said this, and in my video today
I said that about like were getting all of these
you know, killer mic videos in a negative way, right,
like oh kill him, this, kill him like that, whereas like,
hold on, wait, where we need this stug video, because yeah,
we should be highlighted. If we are going to talk
about the streets, we should be highlighting the killer MIC's

(44:23):
of the world, the t I's of the world. But
even when and I said it, I knew Atlanta was cooked.
When Gucci Man came out right, he came out smarter, better,
more sharp, much more astute, he was his health, his
body got right, and they said he was a clone.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
It's like that's kind of the mentality that is prevalent,
is that once you start once a street brother starts
saying this, oh he a clone? He not. Let's go
back to the thugs, and this is the raw rod
we want to promote. So it just it it doesn't
make sense as much as it did. Like even when
you speak, it's like, Okay, this is a clear difference
from what we've been getting with the six nine and

(45:00):
all of these moments that have been happening online. You know,
it's just online. Really, it's not, like you said, it's
not the real streets. But this is what the kids
are emulating. They're not emulating the Gucci transition. They're not
emulating or they're not being even fed the Killer Mike
transition from Dope Boy, right even the album Michael. If
you listen to that, I'm just like, from Ronald Reagan

(45:22):
to this, it's like amazing, Like he found a way
to do that song on that album a bunch of
different times, you know what I mean, and not be
so harsh where it was like, oh yeah, I got
this faver song, I got this, So that that's kind
of like I think the disconnect is that what the
what the what the social media and and even like
you said, from the very beginning it was reality rap

(45:43):
they labeled against the rap, you know, and and I
think that's the disconnect to where it's not the proper
things and the proper people aren't put, aren't put in
the forefront, to where this is what we're getting, this
crazy chaos and everybody's saying this, and everybody's saying that,
and like you said, now you've got to have this
meeting and we kind of try to get to a

(46:04):
point of understanding, because yeah, it is. It is crazy.
And when you were saying the other day, because I'm
very familiar with all up and down the East coast Virginia.
My brother's from Philly and to spend time in Baltimore,
I'm in the south. Now, I don't know much about
the West Coast. I really don't. And I really had
to think of it. I was like, wow, I've only
been out there one time for a wedding, and I

(46:26):
was like, wow, he's so right. All I know is
what I've been seeing from the internet or from the media.
And I was like, you know what, cause it don't
make sense to me. The hat thing, like, you know,
I wear mettat. I was over there one time. I
was a METS hat in Fisherman's Dwarf and everybody out
the game the San Francisco was looking at me like, yo,
what you got the hell? And I was just like,

(46:47):
I'm with these people like I'm with my wife, you
know what I'm saying, Like I'm not on that type
of time. But I could feel like, oh, this is
a different thing, you know what I mean, And so
I didn't understand it and it sounds goofy to everybody,
but of course that's in Chicago and other places. But
I've realized that I said, a wow, A lot of
what I know from LA and what I know from.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
The children based off for some music and so white folks,
yeah and back it had to be like okay, And
that's why I was joining the spaces and I was
just soaking a game because that's that's one part of
the map that I have not.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Been to, like at all, been in that situation to
where some people from there was like, Yo, this is
what it is. It's not what it is. So it's
important that we do have these conversations so people could understand,
you know what I mean, why.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Hip hop is so important. Go ahead, just I'm sorry,
you know.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
I think I think now is an interesting time to
really look at what gen z or what the young
people are doing because you know, maybe it's niche, or
maybe it's not as wide spreads it feels sometimes, but
I feel like this generation is not moved by the
same stimuli as previous generations. This generation doesn't go out
the same they don't drink the same like previous generations.

(47:55):
You know, I'm watching these generations want to be streamers,
which gives them more options. I'm watching streamers, you know
straight son, you know y ns calling them corning on
camera on video, and I'm not seeing necessarily the same.
You know, a level of intimidation between different choices. Is

(48:16):
this any different? Am I just not?

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I don't think if you call it, like if you
call one of my young homies corner, they probably gonna
bust your ship.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
I mean, well, you know, I'm not saying that it
doesn't exist. I'm saying that it's not the same previleence.
I mean even even Homie in the back was sorrying
about how there was a different level of respect.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
For the streets.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
No, no, no, I get that, but I don't think it's real.
I think we get more versions of entertainment where people
get people that would remind you of somebody that's Awaiian
like I could imagine if you call my young homie
wash Boy corny, like I had to stop my young
homie wish Boy from mashing a couple rappers, like stop
him because you know, people take words serious. So what

(48:57):
I think justin this is gonna sound crazy, Like I
get what King is saying, but I don't think that's
necessarily true. I think what you have is you have
a space that exists now with social media that you
can say things and not be accountable. And the cornerstone
of the streets is accountability. Like people think there's this
many rules and it's not. It's one thing. Don't be

(49:18):
a punk. Stand on what you did. That's the cornerstone
of it all. And if you don't your your street
street FIGHTO score your credit fight, go score in the
streets takes a hit. Like if you said something about somebody,
you can't say it today's face, We're gonna look at
you like a buster. If you committed a crime and
you told on somebody else crime, you're going to be disowned.

(49:40):
You know what I'm saying, Like you need to be
a count. If you don't raise your kids, homies look
at you like hmm, like this is real, and it
don't you know, it don't get talked about, Like people
don't realize what's driving that is this primitive level of
masculinity protecting your reputation because it's how you earn. Obviously,
if you had opportunity, you would need to be doing

(50:01):
this shit. I was explaining to my hommy today. I
remember when I graduated high school and I was already
selling rocks, right, but I wanted to go to college,
and I was like, damn, I could make another move.
I'm seventeen, I'm gonna go get a job at McDonald's.
And at that time, I was living on my own.
My rent was like four to ninety and McDonald's pay

(50:22):
four twenty five an hour, and eighty hours paid roughly
like three hundred some dollars, so it was like two
seventy like I would have been going to work and
couldn't pay my gas bill. And then they was like
get another job, and I'm like, why the hell am
I gonna go to school? And it became a bunch
of shit to try to figure out, like I'll get financiated,
go work the job just to pay the bills and

(50:45):
go to school and I get it. A lot of us,
a lot of us are okay with trying to figure
that out. But then there's the outlives that's like we
on the plantation, some of us figure out how to
survive just picking that cotton in that circumstance, and then
you got glasses the nigga that's gonna try to run,
you know what I mean, nigga that's gonna try to run.

(51:05):
I can't help it. And I feel like the brothers
I'm hearing it's like, don't you run away because you
know how they did, Old Tommy, they gonna ain't from
that tree, and they talking shit because you trying to run,
And I get it. It don't feel like that, but
it's the truth, Like you're trying to run off the planet.
I don't want to do this dumb ass shit just
to make a fucking living like and I'm not scared

(51:29):
of dying. I'm scared of living in a place to
where motherfuckers could just do anything to me. Why I'm
struggling every day just to try to do this. And
I'm not knocking no brother that thug it out. I'm
not knocking that brother that picked the cotton for sixty
years and die and made the best out of it.
I'm not mad at that, and I'm not talking shit
about you, cause it does work out. Some people buy

(51:51):
their freedom after that. I'm not living through my twenties
picking no fucking body cotton. I just it wasn't in me.
I just wasn't with it. I'm not mad at the
brothers that picked they cotton for the next thirty years
and body freedom at sixty through your shit, I'm with
you too. Don't talk shit at me because I'm trying
to run at twenty three. I'm getting off of this motherfucker.

(52:12):
Fuck him, fuck master, fuck cotton, fuck his mistress, fuck
the kids, fuck this. I'm running and running means whatever
I gotta do to get off of this shit. And
yes it's shortsighted because you're young, but you know what
it takes nuts this big. And just like I applaud

(52:34):
the brother that picked cotton for thirty years, if finally
get off the plantation, have the same respect for the
nigga that's trying to boat. It shouldn't be frowned upon
for somebody. Now, Thug is different. Like Ug, that's a person.
It's different. I don't think that really hadn'thing to do
with the streets. Doug is a rich nigga. You paying

(52:55):
for people to get knocked off or you you know, hey,
you know what, that's a crime you actually can make.
You actually are provided resources and opportunities to make better decisions,
like Dirk. I don't have to talk negative about the
thug of Dirk nigga. This is this is called accountability.
You in the court, they like, hey, you've been doing

(53:16):
this out here, you've been raising hell. I don't gotta
beat down. We don't have to beat down on aug
At that point, AMOUNTA is George is, hey, you going
to jail if you do anything nigga over the next
twenty years. You're gonna do twenty years. Why do we
need to make another piece of content talking shit to him?

(53:38):
His shit is signed, his trip slip is signed to prison.
Nigga right now, look at how much put like, look
what theyre doing to him. They're leaking his personal fucking calls.
These are not a part of discovery, you know, discovery,
Like if you make a call like my homeboy did,
where you talking about the crime or you get interrogated

(54:00):
about the crime, like it's one thing that linked the interview.
Read because that's a part of their discovery. So that's
public record. You just have to request it. Hey leaking
his personal conversations about what he thought about another fucking rapper,
that's not a part of discovery. It's like they trying
to piss him off and saying, do something. Nigga, we
got this twenty five waiting for you. Read it's right here,

(54:22):
Please do something. Please do somethug.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Click that this that Fanny Willis get back.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Fanny on his and that's why I did the video.
We want it. That's Barbara Willis. Please do some thug.
We're gonna leak all your calls. Oh that oh you
was talking about your girl. That's coming out.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
You know that's Kevin. I'm waiting for that one. I'm
waiting for that.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
One about Q that's coming out now. Q posting pictures
of you and this caption look like a rag. You
want to killing? You got enough money? Read the killing,
but guess what do you want to go do? Twenty
thirty years? Because they waiting, they sitting right there. Read
they life. Please nigga, we mad that you got this far?

(55:10):
They mad right now. Read George is like you thought
you won because you know, and then when he won
his property back, oh he was his big shit. Oh
oh oh oh you think it's a game. Wat'ch this
look how they got him. That's why I feel bad
for him. So I'm saying and say, nobody gotta make content.

(55:32):
Accountability is in order. You ain't get away with nothing
like bulls turn out to the homie.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yes, and he just played guilty pipe down.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yo, it's a whole other politics.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
You know what I mean. So even all that shit,
they feel like you never get away with nothing in
his life. You could deal with it spiritually or to
come back and bite you onn ass. So I don't
think we have to highlight the Thug Georgia highlighted Thug
Georgia highlight They got him right now, like people man,

(56:08):
because I'm like, I feel bad, but me and the
homies talking to me like damn, that's fucked up. They
leaking this personal comment, bro, They leaking it by the
fucking playlist, every fucking right. It's niggas who wouldn't even
talk shit about Thug before this. They talking so much shit,
and I know Thug is sitting somewhere like you motherfuckers.

(56:28):
I can't even pay nobody to do nothing to you
now because everybody I was paying before they didn't turn
they back. So he has to make a decision red.
That's what I'm saying. That ain't what hip hop is about.
Accountability is the cornerstone the street urban culture. Accountability. That's
why snitcher matter. That's not no rule about just don't tell.

(56:49):
That's what niggas breaking the rules. That don't got nothing
to do with just us. That's the motherfucking police. That's
politicians call them whistleblowers. You ain't getting no job after
you blow the whistle, Oh whistle blow and ask niggas police,
don't nobody wanna be your partner? You snitch ass? Niggas
post office. If you clocking in at work too early
for somebody and you tell niggas don't even want to
work with you, I don't want even be on their shift. Accountability,

(57:13):
mind your fucking business. So with Thug, I don't think
it's necessary to make content or he's being highlighted at
some kind is if niggas is emulating Thug growing up,
they already got a problem. They need a therapist. There's
nothing about thug you should be emulating nothing I'm talking
about before the case. What the fuck are you emulating

(57:36):
about Thug? Outside of his ability to use his vocals
as this tremendous instrument, But what you gonna do like
him in the streets? What the fuck are you emulating about?
You ain't seen any squabble, nothing down.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
What you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
You're gonna call people your loves you calling you holding
a dick in your hand? Why would you be emulating that? So?
I think sometimes we take something that's going on in
inch thing. Remember, as big as Thug is, he's not
that big. He's not quite tim He's not quite Geezuz,
He's not quite outcast, He's not like he's still very
much a marginally very successful hip hop artist.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
I mean, listening to that audio of him, wonder why
God didn't want to do a feature.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Why wouldn't superstar for a superstar Matterfuck this? Nigga stadiums Nigga,
he ain't said nothing. He the most talked about Nigga today.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Whatever. That's why he ain't never gonna be bigger than Drake.
That's why he ain't never gonna be bigger than Drake.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Who the fuck cares like that's the point, but that
that be that pain and they leaked that he know
and he's finna come out here.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
That puts so many that puts so many lines in uh.
In the brand new context.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
L A is fucked up. Read. It ain't just a
place where niggas just get hurt and shot. We also
got a fucked up sense of humor. You be coming out,
so we'll be like, yeah, gonna give you that feature. Yea,
what you read to get the action? Are you still mad? Doctor?
Give you that feature? You didn't say all at the dot.
When even give you that feature, niggas will be doing
that to you and that standard in every ghetto that's

(59:13):
that's speaking La LA will pride themselves at tweeting you
DM and that shit to you. They'll mel a letter
to your house that doth feature ain't coming. That's you
open up that envelope, that doth feature ain't coming, motherfucker.
That's how we get out. So I don't feel like
we need to really focus on those guys as far

(59:35):
as being the center of street of the culture. I
think the point is the jay Z's that is the
version of the street guy that we know is a
street guy that I think it is the Killer Mike's
and the big boys in Atlanta. I do think it's
the you know, the Snoop Doggs and in the East forties.
Those are all street guys even right now. But guess what,

(59:57):
most street guys when they have an opportunity, they not
doing the street shit no more. Because you only was
a street god because this was your opportunity. When a
greater opportunity comes, you take that now too. But you
keep that ethic, you keep that accountability, ethic and moral
standing in you. Now, some people personally gonna fuck it up,
That's just what people do. But I just feel like

(01:00:19):
we are in a great situation and I don't ever
want us to try to separate the streets from hip hop.
It's okay to try to, It's okay to size somebody
up that's not behaving correctly, but it's another thing for
us to say. Everything about the streets is that nigga, specifically,
that nigga is not the quintessential Atlanta street nigga. I'm

(01:00:39):
not gonna lie to you. He was a very unique person.
From the first day. I've met a lot of Atlanta
street niggas, it's only one thug that is not future,
that ain't twenty one. He is a unique dude. I
can see the Big Boy and Killer Mike. I can
see the Tip and and and Gip. I can see

(01:01:00):
all of these. I could see the quintessential Atlanta nigga,
even all of the suburbs of a college park and
all the different sort. I could see that thug was
unique from the first day he did not check. The
closest bought you to check was the Andre three thousand box,
and he quite didn't check that bitch neither. That was
the closest one. Maybe a little c low, but it

(01:01:21):
was still like, huh, this is unique. So I just
feel like it is more important for us to highlight
the Killer Mike's even negative. It's just if you see
more negative, it's because we should be pushing more positive.
It's going to be people that combat that in hip
hop because it is a different type of energy. Like
when I see Killer Mike, I think of Public Enemy

(01:01:42):
at Chuck D. That shit sound crazy to people. He's
just hella familiar with politics, and he's in Georgia. He's
in a place in the line where black politics reign supreme.
That ain't in LA. You ain't fine to get a
killer Mike in LA because if you are, if you're
a brother in LA, you extra in a politic. You
just in white folk business. Forgive me, you know what

(01:02:04):
I mean, because there's all white folk. Yeah, it's like
a sprinkler Karen Bass, a bunch of Gavin Newssen. It's
all Gavin Newsan and a sprinkler Karen Bass in Atlanta.
It just be all a bunch of black people, counselors
and shit. And you're supposed to be into that. Everything
that's of brothers at the highest level. That's what I

(01:02:25):
like about Mike, and that's why it works because Mike
is that brother. He's in the middle of all the
black politicians. He know the mayor and what he had.
No Karen, that was like the first mayor. We knew
they might have had one other black mayor that I
remember how many black marriage had that been in lap too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Tom Bradley would be the first.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
And he was a criminal. I've been my nigga. I
should have met Tom.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
They gave him an international airport terminal, so that was good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
See, it's made good. So I'm saying it's like I
think we hear street urban culture like the Hell's Angels.
They're not, Ah, they are a street organization because they
are wrapped in the level of you know, things that
are happening that are against the rules. They're not an
urban thing like the Hell's Angels. Don't exist in the
city of Los Angele. Like if they rolled down Wilmington

(01:03:16):
and watched, it'd be a problem if they rolled down
the Central.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Here though, they are on East fourteenth and Oakland, like
they're right by a high street and Internet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Sign in the front of their building. Listen, I'm saying
they're not where we're at. Remember, that's an ie thing.
I'm not told shit about. I'm saying it ain't like
that type of shit exists right where we at. That
that's different. It could be they now they ain't come.
They ain't pulled up to the deuces on Central, on

(01:03:51):
Central and one hundred and twenty of like we up
in here, what's up? It's a squabble.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
There's always like avenues like North forty have like up
there above the one ten like up that way, yeah,
where No Brothers is at. But you don't see white
fence down and watch either though.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
But that's the point. That's why that that's why those
things existed. It's like because I think sometimes we see street,
but that don't always mean urban. Like Hell's Angel is
not an urban club. It's a rural club with street rules.
Like one percenters. That shit ain't smack dead in the
center of South Central. They just running around being whatever
you think they are. That is different. That's like the Klan.

(01:04:30):
The Klan just can't have a march in watts On
one hundred and third. That would go very bad fast.
Like if you want to see gang bangs, you night
have a clan Rabbit and one of my homeboys, that's
the harshest critic on gang banging, was telling me me
and Glass. I was like, so, what you think happened?
He's from Long Beach. Shout out to Twilight. He's in
twenty you know, he's he's one of them brothers. Twilight

(01:04:53):
is like a brilliant MC big time don't dude, and
but he's one of those dudes. That's a harsh critic.
As a homie on gang banging, I said, so I
get it. It's easy to kind of pinpoint all the
flaws in you know, gang Baby, Well, let's tell the truth.
I said, could the clan meet on twenty first and

(01:05:13):
Lewis probably Nigga wouldn't I said, what do you think
they do? Nigga wouldn't do nothing. I said, think about
that before you say that again. Got a bad Yeah
that probably you want to see games you night read.
Let's put together a fake march that the clan is
coming to Long Beach.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
I'll do other roles for the shows.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Accidentally wear a white sheet like you were just saying,
an accident with that hat. Accidentally wear a white sheet,
you know, with a white gown.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
Act like I'm carrying a shit ton of linens and
drop them on myself.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Hold a cross over
your shoulder and walk down the street. Let's see. That's
see how walk down? Chrisy'all got the sixties and just
the plan. Tell the clan. Shout out to whoever from
the clan listens to my podcast. Organize a march on
chrishaw if you want to help black people as a

(01:06:15):
clan member, if you really want to get your race,
ride going your race, think going organize the watch your
chrisy'all walk from Manchester where Inglewood's at on Chrishaw, down
to Vernon to La Mert and just walk. You can't
have as many police as you want. Let's see how
that go. And everybody who's this harsh critic on game banging,

(01:06:37):
let's see. You want you convince me that game bankers
don't care. Prove it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
So gang bang only is positive in the extreme abstracts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
So you're talking me no, No, I'm just saying there's
a thing about it that, oh, they won't do nothing about.
Nobody else try it, nobody else is around. You want
to see black people come together, telling a bunch of
brothers to where the clan outfit and just go do
a fake march. Show me all of these brothers from
these different states. That that's you know, gangman, they don't

(01:07:10):
really care about, you know, white people go dress up
like clan and have a march walk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I'm saying when they took down the Confederate flag in
South Carolina around twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, there was the
bloods did the meet them down there and that that
kind of and I was there, I saw it, my
wife work right there, and it was it was Yeah,
that's who came and that's who met them, and it
got active. I mean it's still videos and stuff on there.
I could see you saying that, I could see that

(01:07:39):
that's in South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to the brothers. Imagine that
shit in South Central where they're not even used to
seeing white people. If you in South Carolina, you might
be kind of used to seeing a white person every
now and the year on Prince Shaw and Sloughson. You
really don't see white people, let alone a white man
in the sheet walk. Just take a march. All you

(01:08:02):
brothers who feel like GANGSADTI, they don't. They don't chip
on nobody else. They that all that sold rhetoric going
on in Black of America. On it you and your
friends come together. We'll just start promoting this Clare rally.
Y'all wear the T shirts, carry some cross in march
from Chris Yard Manchester to Chris Yarn Vernon. You won't

(01:08:23):
make it. You going to the Morgue. And that's just
the truth. So I just feel like there's a thing
where we don't have to separate the streets from hip hop.
Like if you do, you lose jay Z. If you do,
you lose to y'all. You lose Mike. You don't just

(01:08:46):
use thug right, you lose outcasts that both street guys.
You lose se Lo a street guy, you lose Gip
was a street guy. You lose Mike, you lose Tip,
you lose geezuz.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
And see, my argument would be that these brothers are
and the word conscience gets a bad rap, but most
of these dudes, if you listen to their subject matter,
you know, even whole I hope did that so hopefully
you don't have to go through that, you know, raising
the projects bro. A lot of these dudes were that
was like blueprint though. Yeah, well, I mean even if
you listen to the first one reason doubt, it was

(01:09:23):
still like I'm trying to get out of this kind
of thing, you know, like, hey, this is what we
did and and and and and that. I guess that's
where a lot of the confusion comes nowadays. And that's
what I understand exactly what you're saying, because these brothers
there was a knowledge there, There was a I wouldn't
even say preaching, but there was a warning almost like hey,

(01:09:44):
like this is what we did, this is what we
went through. It wasn't a glorification of stupidity, and he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Necessarily my deep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I mean, they it was, but it was a pride
in mafioso rap. But you have to and you have
to be okay with some entertainment being proud of their
surviving this situation and even as crazy as a sound.
So there is the cautionary tale, and then there's the

(01:10:18):
tale where the outlaw wins. And it's nothing wrong with
us celebrating black outlaws like this weird rhetoric that we
cannot celebrate black outlaws, but they could praise the Godfather,
they can praise Casino, they could, people can praise You
know that shit is fucking weird. There's nothing wrong with

(01:10:39):
celebrating a black outlaws. They not gonna let us forget
Jay Z is a dope dealer to the day we die, Puffy.
They didn't turn Puffy into a rapper during this case.
Rapper puff, rapper, Diddy fighting a rapper, Diddy, not alcohol mogul, Diddy,
not record. Is that Diddy? You know what I mean?

(01:10:59):
None of that rapper? Rapper is the new end word. Nigger?
Did he rapper? Did he? Damn he been reduced down
to just because of no way out. No way out
is how you know him. They don't be like alcohol
mogul so. I think even the hip hop that we love,

(01:11:21):
there was people who were proud outlaws, and then there
were people who had the cautionary tails. I think it's
room to celebrate it all. We want to root for
somebody to make it out of there. I don't give
a fuck if they learned they lesson or not. I
want to root for the brother who fought. I already
know what happened to that turner at the end, but

(01:11:42):
s like let me feel, you know. That's why I'm
glad Quentin Tarantino got a right with Jango that just
you know what I mean? Like why not? Why can't
we have the person everybody else celebrates? They out lost
right down every nigga in America talking about they buy
in Clyde. Them people got hurt of at the end.

(01:12:02):
They was like homicidal maniacs and they died at the end.
And people to name their movement of a wife and
a husband and wife about body and Clyde. Look how
we sensationalized white outlaws for us. It's like, nah, you
know what you got to have it, caution it the
warning sign and say if you do this, you gonna
know you don't. Oh, I'm glad when I get ice
Cube and cautionary tales, but also like the ice te

(01:12:25):
tails where the outlaw wins, Like I want a brother
to escape a plantation, I want him to fight and
kill every one of them slavers on the plantation. That's
what I want. And then I'm cool with I get roots,
you know, you know, I'm all right cool. Let me
get some brothers who ain't just confined. You know that
I ain't just confirming to like, well, I need to

(01:12:47):
go about this the right way and I need to
go down here and file for my petition for freedom.
That's cool too, But I'm okay with Django kick ass, Jango,
kill all the motherfucker go back, kill all them people.
Get your wife, kill that Stephen, because that's what most
of these brother be. Stevens, bunch of steven who that

(01:13:07):
Nigga on that nack yeaut here just free and I'm
on it like Nigga he was that Like you know
what I mean, I think we need all that shit
in hip hop and bro all we be left with
Kanye that said we be just level Kanye, and don't't
me wrong, Kanye, my top five, But goddamn it, I
can't do it that much, Kanye. It ain't enough lead

(01:13:29):
in a pencil.

Speaker 7 (01:13:30):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Sometimes I need that, just like I need that scarface,
you know that to get me through the harsh blues
of bullshit. You know that blues like man, that nigga
scarface taking care of my motherfucking soul and Snoop. Just
give me that proviadle. I could just walk in and
I could just bag every pez you named it all
the yester year. Guys. Man, even if I'm talking about

(01:13:52):
somebody knew, like right Kendrick with gn X, I'm like,
I was so doc because it was like Nigga act
like you the nigga, fuck this other ship, fuck this,
you know what I'm saying. But ship, Look, man, we'll
continue this. This would be a dope sequel. Let y'all

(01:14:14):
get up out of here. You already know, man, we're
gonna continue because I gotta be ready for tomorrow when
I do the stream. We're doing that ship justin Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Right Culture United Thursday six pm, PS. Team.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I think this out, y'all go hear this tomorrow, so
make sure you check Culture United. I'm back with Justin.
We gotta get on red stream have all these dope conversations.
I think we're gonna have a long rest of the
year of conversations because I think it is nothing getting better.

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
I'm telling you'all straight up, man, like, this is the
last I haven't I can't remember the last time I
took a weekend to really just chill, Like I potentially
ran into this long weekend to just chill. This is
because today, officially it's nothing but a sprint until the
second week of December until the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
A crazy this whole weekend, all this crazy shit going
on with you, just trying to take a break.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Trying to take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Was like, I need to turn on. It's coming just
crazy nigga. Look to have a whole thing talking about everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Right right, So it's about to be full throttlef between
now and the end of the year. But yoh man,
I always love being all man my brother Jimlo.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
And that was a good look for me too. I
got to tell you that was a good look for
me to be in the one video. That's nice.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
I'm glad you like it. Make sure y'all check out
Wanted on Twitter. Yes, it's not on YouTube. It's only
on Twitter. We're doing something special for YouTube. But go
check the video on my Twitter. It's pinned to the top.
It's good man much love to read people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
You got to tell you to check out the digital
Maxi single.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, Wanted the single available anyway you stream music.
Go stream that thing. Brother with Jurassic five, legendary group
Jurassic Five. We got to get some young dudes on
there for read because I want to see I need
to stab some young guys for reasons. You can see
the guys in today's street movement I truly appreciate. So
I'm gonna find me some guys and I'm gonna make
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