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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo yo yo. What up y'all?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
That's your boy d One and right now you tuned
into No Ceilings, Will my dog glasses Malone stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
What's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealings Podcast with your host Now fuck that with your
loaw Glasses Malone. You know, I hear like a lot
of bullshit about him, but like you know, he one
of the best people I ever met in this business.
To be honest, in my opinion, you know what I'm saying.

(00:30):
He was the only person that he just taught me
the business. I don't think he gave me no favor.
I think this is how he treated everybody. But we
really got along. Will you know part of it cause
I'm sober all the time, you know what I mean.
He thought that was dope, and he would always trip.
We would go somewhere like Motherfucker's to be respecting me.
He'd be like, man, gee, y'all, like man, I like
how you carry yourself, and it's like, yeah, that shit

(00:52):
don't mean, Like what the fuck do all this mean?
You know what I'm saying. So he really changed my life,
you know what I mean. He taught me the business,
but then I to go learn the records on my own.
That's the only thing I regret is, you know, like
not understanding records at that time. Singles it's more you ready, king,

(01:13):
So it's tricky, right. It's like, so a record is
more like a scientific thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
It feels like it should be just this creative, like
this creative art piece, but it's really more of a
like a methodical approach about making people remember the things
that's happening, you know what I mean? Like, uh, like
Ray Charles, Like we always talk about this, Ray Charles

(01:41):
pretty much birthed the pop record post. I Got a
Woman is when the charts, the pop charts was created,
you know what I'm saying. So what we know as
the Billboard hoigh one hundred is the pop charts. That
chart was created right after Ray Charles I Got a Woman.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
It wasn't the first song on the charts, the up
having another song that would one, but they created the
whole business is created around that one song.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
So way the way we see record labels, the way
we see radio stations, even MTV, that style of record
birthed all of that shit. This methodical approach about making
people remember you know what I'm saying, like the idea
that you created. So when I first when I first saw,
I was stunning them, like he paid me, like he

(02:27):
was just how come be in Miami? Like he was
just he showed me all the business. He was just transparent, bro.
He was always like, gee, this how radio work, this,
how this worked? This, how this work? This, how this worked?
This is what we do, Like taught me the history
of cash money. Like he was always like this dope
ass teacher. That's why I don't really let people play
around him. And you know, I'm a swooped down on anybody,

(02:48):
you know, disrespecting me because he's just such a solid dude.
But when I was there, I didn't know nothing, Like
I didn't study about being no rapper, you know what
I mean, Like I didn't even look at it, Like
I just kind of fell into rapping because I was
articuling and I had a good sense of rhythm. But
even the first records I made when I was with
stunner Man, when I was with excuse me before I

(03:11):
got was stunned. I was with Chucking Him. I was
with Gang. So I was with Black Wall Street Faced
g Riding Gang and they gave me a platform, and
then a buddy of minds knew about records. He had
worked on Compton Real, Compton City G's, he worked for
Rhythm d He mixed Diddy paper Boy, which was like
a double platinum record. He had did all this shit,

(03:32):
so he was producing the ideas. I just had to
rap and make the song, like you know, make the hooks,
and he would show me how to do them to
where they would be memorable. He would show me how
to stack my vocals so they would have a level
of harmony, things that make a record rememberable and catchy.
But I wasn't. I didn't know it was a set,
like a necessary thing to make a great record. So

(03:55):
I was just rapping, you know what I mean. When
you first start rapping, you just a rapper.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Cause I learned how to make records for I learned
how to rap.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Hell No, I was so far. I didn't learn how
to make records till twenty eleven, twelve, so it already
made a couple million dollars and all kind of been
around the world and all that. My first record came
from akon Toom shout out to DJ Toomp from a
right from right here at a kon like they made
my first record. When I went to the studio with
Manny Fresh, right, I went because on my old deal,

(04:25):
Manny Fresh just did it. Like we talked and he
was like, man, what kind of dude is you? So
we chopped it up and he's making the fucking music
bro right when I'm talking to them, so he's like
getting my vibe, like y'all, like you know, dun dun,
he just he That's how cold he was. So you're
around really dope producers that know how to make this

(04:45):
idea called a record, and when I'm not around them,
I'm trying to figure it out. So I'm just rapping,
and I know a hook. I know what a hook
is supposed to be, at least in my mind. I
know where the verse is, I know what the sixteen is,
I know where the bridge is. That's all based off
of what Ray Charles does. But what makes it work

(05:06):
is different, you know what I mean, how you use harmonies,
how you use you know, the things that make shit rememorable,
like make shit memorable. And so when I'm with stunning them,
like it's simple, you know, I mean, it's easy. The
business is top tier, right, they're gonna work every record
tune is giving up to drop the quarter three. This

(05:27):
is his biggest shit in the world. I'm watching him
record this shit, so I'm like, damn, you know what
I mean? And you walking into it not knowing what
it's gonna be. Like I knew he was hot at
that time. I'm off the like father like some Carter
two is double platinum. You know, he's getting all these
big features. But I'm right next to him watching this happen.
And when the quarter three blew up, right, It's like

(05:51):
why he sold a million records? Now, mind you, I
was just with Chuck with Game three years ago. He
sold six hundred thousand. First we're on document me. You
know what I mean. This is so I'm so nothing
about it seemed consistent.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I didn't catch anything special happening. It was more or
less cause like, Okay, damn, these niggas been in a business. Like,
don't remember, way ane't been in the business at that
point twelve thirteen years.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
You got on at fourteen.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, so he's probably twenty. Like he's you know, he's
a vet. He's a vet. Not only doing business, he's
a vet making records and he just a good dude.
I remember we came and shot haters right in Atlanta, bro,
and I was sick, like I got sick at home.
I had a cold or flu, and I'll never forget.
We doing the video shoot and he like, man, you

(06:45):
all right? Jim like yeah, He like you're gonna be cool.
We we need to reschedule. This is Wayne. I'm like, nah,
you know I'm here. He's like, man, my mom live
out here. I can have a Mason soup for you.
I remember just thinking like, man, I was all right,
you know what I'm saying. That Nigga's all right, you
know what I'm saying. So I say all that to
say the methodical approach about making a record is something
that you really have to study. So obviously the third

(07:09):
thing I saw up close and personal was Kendrick, Right,
DoD is my partner. So I'm watching him kind of
go over jay Z Records, Wayne records him developing his style,
and he looking at all of these great artists.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Tech nine.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
We on tour with Tech nine. He's you know, he's
watching him every night we chilling. It's so many nights
DoD is in the back and just watching him perform
and I'm looking at this nigga. Why did you watch
this nigga rap? Seeing this nigga you know, fifty sixty
times already in the road and he's just picking it up.
He knew even young that there was something to study.

(07:48):
That's another thing like Drake. Them dudes know that there's
something to study. I didn't know that. Like this shit
was just a soundtrack to what we were doing every day.
I wasn't shit. I'm living the dog Eastafle, I'm living
the dog fool songs. I'm living you know, reasonable doubt songs.
This is just what we're doing. Oh, he's this the
soundtrack this point, I'm fucking up. I'm cutting rocks. This

(08:11):
is what we're doing. So is I never really thought
it was something to know until I realize it. And
the best thing that happens to me is it's a
dude around me all the time. He's funny, it's a nigga.
Hell is social, he got like the girls like him.
He's dancing, he's on this club mixed app. Is this
nigga name head? You know Head? Just you know he's

(08:36):
funny as a mother.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
He's a fucking jokester.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's funny because people look at DJ Head and Kendrick
and they just seem so fucking serious, and them niggas
is two of the most fools I ever met, a fools,
flat out joking ass fools, bag on you to death
and everything. So turning Head into a DJ to make
sure he was always around and I could pay him
all the time ended up being the biggest thing that

(08:59):
paid off because once he figured out how the DJ,
he taught me what BPM was, and that shit changed
my life. That's what happened. So it went from something
I was doing as a way to escape something else
to save my life into something that actually I committed
my life too and preserving.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's the beautiful thing about this, this this culture we
call hip hop, bro it has life changing potential if
you take it serious enough.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
And you have to, but you have to be told
it's something more because at first it feels like it's
just some records. Yeah, A lot of people talk to
me to this day like if I'm you know, first off,
no Selings gl glass loow, I got the only d one.
We always debate on Twitter. Yea, it short sparked the way,
but I appreciate the purity of what he does. I

(09:50):
got my boy crazed from Brooklyn, Yeah, and that part
and it just hit me bro like once you know
there's something though, and the problem is the fucking so
deep like it go deep. You know, people think hip
hop is a bunch of songs. I'm telling you on
Kick Game, niggas really think y'all be standing around bonfires

(10:11):
rapping New York And I swear that's what people think
because that's what they showed us on TV. You know,
you if you think about New Orleans, you think what
you saw on videos until you go, I get seen.
I remember growing up in New Orleans. It was dog man.
It was just this crazy thing and you just people
you know, you heard that. But then when you go
you see how people love each other. You see the culture,

(10:33):
how people to camaraderie. Don't get me wrong, every ghetto
got problems, but you you can't get the love the
way you should through records. And that's something I agree
with you about.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
It should be.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Way more love.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like I feel like more people came to hip hop
because it was fun.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
It was arc type of fun yeah, but it was
fun fun yeah, And now you know, shout out to
the message because the message gave you that seeing it
and raw reality of exactly how ITAs it is. But
now I do think at times that's being over showcased,
you know what I mean. It's like, oh, it's just
hard times, Like people see our lives that was boys

(11:12):
and the hood Ricky die every day and I'm like, nah,
remember Friday is a game bag too, It's four days
like Friday.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
When I explained that, after you explained that to me
and I explained that to somebody else, they was looking
at me like two heavy, like what you mean. I
was like, I didn't know where even until I was
talking with cousin he broke it down for me. And
then with me being me being local, me being from
Brooklyn and understanding like there was more day where we
were just bullechering around then we without actively doing shit.

(11:40):
You get what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Who the fuck spins every day? Just fucking people over.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
So that's where I think hip hop has gotten lost
since that It's not fun all the time. It's always
anger and to the point now where even people that
people are revering are so busy airing out their own
pain to share, like the trauma bond with other people. Yes,
it's just weird.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
No more party music yep.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh man, yep.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Snoop and Dre showed you what a West Coast party was.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's all it was.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
That was and at one time that was the best
party of hip hop. It made be the greatest party, right,
juvenile many fresh puffing bed These are some of the
greatest parties in hip hop history. Fuck what they talking about.
If you hear that music, you're like, oh man, this
shit right here, I'm you know, I'm finna enjoy myself.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
You can't even control it.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, that's that's all I be talking about, bro. It's
just the fact that we've turned hip hop into something
where now the fun part is mixed in with When
you actually listen to the lyrics, it's like, wait, this
beats sound fun, and I see the whole arena rocking
to this. But let's listen to what we actually coombay
I and around we coom bay I around killing that

(12:51):
We've made killing and drilling fun and melodic and catchy
and repetitive to the point where it's like, dang, the
words that I'm repeating in my head, I'm speaking death
over my own life. But I'm not even realizing it
because this stuff just seems so fun. And now another
level of it is a young black person growing up
be feeling like, man, I don't even feel like I'm

(13:14):
really black unless I can relate to that music right there,
just glorifying drug dealing, killing and gangbanging. And I see
it every day to where not every black kid grows
up in the trenches. Most don't, but you got a
lot of black kids who feel like, you know, you
know what they call you, They say, oh, you ain't
really black. You grow around the white people, you know,

(13:36):
and a black kid that'll make them, that'll make them
sensitive to the point where they insecure about their own blackness.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
And they're like, dang, So that be the.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Ones you gotta really worry about crashing out because somebody
who really grew up in the trenches and in the streets,
they're like, man, I know how to be.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Who was it that I heard just say this? Oh?
Styles P said this on the interview.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
He said, Man, the person to really salute is the
one who grew up in the trenches who just figured
out how to not get involved in none of the
stuff that was going on in the trenches, like dag,
you grew up round all this, but you ain't get
involved in it.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Salute to you.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
The real crash out to worry about is the one
who didn't grow up around none of that. But now
they feel like, I got to chip on my shoulder
and I got to prove to the rest of y'all
that I'm really cut from that type of club. So
they'll jump off the porch and go do some crazy
stuff just to try to earn a stripe with who
they perceive as like these are the real street dudes.
So I gotta really jump out there and show them that,

(14:31):
you know, I'm on they level with it. And that's
what I see, bro. We see a lot of Steve Urkles,
you know, catching murder charges and a lot of you
know a lot of people that's just.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
They faking.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
They're faking well, either that they made it fun or
they made it profitable. At some point they took gainst
the culture. And we got to remember, we didn't start
none of this shit. We didn't start none of the
money off of this condos. And yeah, like we didn't
start none of this ship. So at some point what
we did would make it look better than them. So

(15:09):
we took our capone and took that it made it cool,
made it. We put swag behind it, we put outfit,
we put jewelry on the back. Then they were just
wearing soothing top hat that you so we couldn't relate.
So we made that shit posfitable. So a lot of
these dudes that jumping off the port, they ain't even
about fun. They going to after a bag. They really

(15:33):
think that if I get the respect, it'll get me
the notoriety, and then I get the bag.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Man right there.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
We have the ability, we black people have the ability
to make anything seem cooler than what it really is.
So when you realize that that's one of your superpowers
as a culture, you got to decide how do I
use that superpower. Unfortunately, we've used that superpower to make
street life.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Seem way cooler than what it really is.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
And now you got a bunch of people they're finding
out in real time. Oh, I thought this was gonna
be different, but I ended up catching a charge. I'm
in jail behind some stuff that I thought it was
gonna be cool and profitable, but it ended up being
neither one. So now all the same thing that you
could use for evil can be used for good. Right,
So if we used our power to make street life

(16:23):
seem cooler than what it is and more profitable than
what it is, let's use that sam superpower, which it
comes in the form of hip hop. Because hip hop,
with that beat and with that catchy, melodic nature and
the culture that comes along with it, hip hop could.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Make anything seem cool or uncool.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
So my thing is, are we ready to finally say,
let's use the power of hip hop to make the
streets seem not cool and to make being an honorable
man or woman that's responsible, that's taking care of your responsibilities,
that's putting God first, that's educated, that's paying bills legally

(17:04):
to make that cool.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Do we have the desire to do that? And that's
that's what I'm.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Well, what I think is mostly okay. So you get
to a start like me, I'm super I'm one of
the original crypt from Brooklyn. Like when that when I
when I started, when I got when I jumped off
the Port, New York was so like it was an
anomaly to be a crypt in New York, like they dominantly. Yeah,

(17:32):
And when I say like being like if you wanted us,
like if you came up in my error, we carry
it different because we really have to survive. M Like
we became protected, like I could speak on my neighborhood Kingsboat.
It became a safe though, cause at one point they
was violent through much. They cutting old lady just when
they were violent. But when you got the Kingbo, you

(17:53):
knew you ain't have to deal with none of that.
Like you knew that all of that was done. You
were safe here. And now when you get to a
point where you get older, I got three kids. None
of my kids grew up in where I grew up. Okay,
none of my kids have my story. Like my my son,
both my sons and my daughter, they straight squad. You

(18:15):
aren't saying what I'm saying, Like I'm a single day
I raised my son, my eleven year old son, like
in my crib, like I get up every morning, make
them breakfast, take them to school, break them up, bring
them home. You get what I'm saying, Like that's my
everyday life. But I'm still that nigga that knock your
head off if you say something wrong?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Why why why?

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Because I but I can't but see that's what I'm
trying to say with a certain I won't do it
just because you say something wrong about me, you say
something wrong about what I represent, you say something wrong
about who my morals than my principal. I can take
it there. But I'm also man enough to understand that

(18:53):
I've grown and ain't nothing worth me, Nothing that I
don't care about. It works me giving up my freedom
or our ability to raise my kit.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Correct me if I'm wrong, Fellas, I'm not in a gang.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I never been in a gang before, right, But I
feel like what I'm doing is working to redefine what
we consider to be gangster. As y'all see on the hoodie,
growing and nurturing gifts, serving the almighty. I feel like
that's what's what's gangster.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Correct me if I'm wrong? Do we have the ability
to just say, Man, we got it wrong, bro, we
we got it wrong for too long.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
We we bought into this lifestyle, this culture, this gang
banging culture, to where we try to justify it in
our head. But actually that stuff wasn't meant to become
what it became.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Like is it is it?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's like people who created ai if AI start taking
over the world and dominating human beings and out of control.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I don't know, I'll be afraid of AI when they introduced
that technology where they ain't got as long as the
ship gotta get recharged, ye, like, as long as the
ship gotta get recharged and I can unplug them, I'm
not scared.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Ship AI has passed that.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
The whole Matrix is built on that concept you're talking about.
When they start using the sun to harness the power,
they start harnessing the Remember, so in Matrix they scorched
the sun thinking they was gonna.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Kill the robots.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
So it's like, it's so to your point, it's like,
and this is why it's a dangerous conversation, right because
it's like it's it's one you don't want to have
around kids. But the truth is you there is no
requirements about being a gangster. Right from where I'm from,
it's stand up. That's the number one rule. Don't let

(20:54):
people bully you, don't let people disrespect you. Now, how
you proceed about it is up to you. They teach
you the best way they know how, But there is
no other requirements. Like now, I don't want to say
this because I don't want some kid think, well, I'm
finna go join the gang, and I'm finna go to college.
Obviously you don't need point B to get the point see.
You can go a to see. But it's it's it's

(21:19):
like to drop your flag challenge. Shout out to a king.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yep, I was just about to ask about.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
That, right, and he was saying, all with it.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
We got to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So the way I felt was like I kind of
just got a breast of what it is. But I'm like,
I could respect anything that's if you think this is
going to help people move positive, if you feel like
this is going to help people better they life, then
I get why you do it for me, Like to
listen to it. Shout out to Homie is like, well,
nothing about this says you have to do the wrong thing.

(21:52):
You could actually start up a motherfucking a suit kitchen
for people that don't have anywhere to live in the
name of your neighborhoo, and everybody would respect it the
same way. So it's it's supposed to be something that's
self and supposed to its very loose, Like it's supposed
to empower you, right, it's supposed to show you how
to stand up on your own. It's not supposed to

(22:13):
be your crutch. Like it's like, Okay, certain people join
gangs because they went somewhere else and they had a problem,
so they need their own army, right, It's like I
need this army, but eventually supposed to realize, oh, I
can be all right by my own on my own.
You maybe you learn shout out tell my older homies,
maybe you learn how to start your own business in
the streets, but you're supposed to realize, well, I could

(22:35):
do this with anything. The truth is, it's just some
humans don't pick it up. And so that's why I
kind of like when we have them conversations even online,
I'm really careful because I'm starting to notice anything I
say can make somebody think that this could be positive
versus this is self defining. And that's the tricky part.

(22:56):
So as much as like I would love to argue
with you about glasses or craze or certain people, I
can't because I know your homies that somebody else that
misuse it. So it's like it's like to me arguing
about a gun.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
When a gun could have multiple uses depending on how
you and it.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Just look, kid, you just don't need this gun.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I mean that's the truth. So it's a lot of
the debate you present. That's why I support you, That's
why I buy your record, That's why I.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Fuck with you.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Even if I don't necessarily personally agree about glasses existence
as a grip, I get what it is, And how
the fuck could I argue with somebody saying and really,
to me, you have if you're not from the gang
already you're not from a gang, because really, you grow
up this way. It's there is no if you campaigning
around neighborhoods to get jumped in the game, you need

(23:47):
a therapist. I mean, like, if you.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
If you're looking for that ship, like, if you actively
looking for that brotherhood, then something wrong you need, bro feel.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Is all right?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I got Goosebump says y'all are saying that because it's
so it's so powerful to hear y'all say if you're
actively looking to be a part of that that that's weird.
But at the same time, when when society makes gang
culture seem so cool, all the kid wants is to
be a part of something.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Cool, well is it? But it ain't us. Could they
game banging in politics? They game bang every year. Democrats
built to Republicans.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
You know, we don't in the hood. We don't consider.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
That, but that but that's American culture. Like everything is
click click with this team versus team, no matter whether
it's off and they knocking here.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
But it don't seem cool to us in the hood.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
We're not looking at them people in suits and ties
and saying, man, that's the coolest stuff ever. But when
we see I'm just speaking for New Orleans, when we
see our favorite rapper who grew up iconic in our city,
Lil Wayne, and we're just like, man, I got locks
in my head because Lil Wayne had had locks.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
I'm looking.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, like half of us wrapped the way we wrap
because I Wayne did so when it's like, bet oh,
Lil Wayne just added something new to his already iconic repertoire.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
What's that new thing? A red flag?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
And all of a sudden, a red flag along with
soul woo and whatever that means. You know, we don't
know at the time, but because of who's doing it,
it seemed cool all of a sudden, it seem way
cooler than turning on c SPAN and looking at Democrats
and Republicans, those gangs going back and forth. So when
we see this, a lot of us will blindly follow

(25:28):
and just say, bet, that's what it is, like, that
is the power that we hold. And my only thing
with hip hop is this, brother, It's like, we want
to reap the benefits from being leaders of our community,
and we all want to say, I'm the face of
my city, I'm the face of my hood, but we
don't want to embrace the accountability that comes along with
being the face of your city or your hood. The

(25:51):
accountability means well, since I am the face of it,
since I am a leader in my community, I got
to watch what I say and what I do because young,
impressionable minds will blindly follow behind me.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
And that's all I see.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I'm like, Wow, we want to reap the benefits of leadership,
but we want to dodge the accountability that comes along
with leadership.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You know, it's funny. The cornerstone of being a gangster
is accountability. So it's funny you say that.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Really, yeah, that's the number one thing.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Remember what makes snitch and snitching is the lack of
so real snitching is not when you see a crime
that happened to some lady and blah blah blah. Real
snitching is you tell the police on somebody else's crime
because you don't want to be held accountable for you for.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Your own So you are a part of the crime,
but you tell the police.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Even if it's a different crime. You don't even have
to be a partner. If they say, hey, man, we
got you for this, you'd be like, well, I know what, Frank,
Did I know it?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Craig.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
So another part is something simple like you said something,
or like you run into other people that's from another
community and it's like, hey where you from? Like, oh
you from it? Not be from it now. It it's
built on this level of accountability. The worst thing you
want to be is somebody who got marked out in
a sense of like you wasn't willing to be who

(27:04):
you was in this moment. So it's driven on accountability.
So to me, in like tune situation, you would have
to be okay with what other people will become behind you.
So you have to carry it that way, and that
is the part of responsibility, and that's you know, you
probably have to have that conversation with him on his

(27:24):
level of responsibility.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Man, let let me just tell y'all man, speaking of accountability,
we got to realize that hip hop is the most
powerful voice that the black community has now. And if
y'all disagree, give me something else that's a more powerful
voice for black people than hip hop.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I'll wait, no, no, but well I agree, But I
also want to say this. I think we make it
black when it's naturally street and urban. Right, So if
you go into the inception of it, right, there was
all kind of specific styles of void. And this is
where it gets crappy, right, because this is something that

(28:05):
black people created, there's no question, but there's a specific
type of person that gave a voice to that was
being muted. All black people wasn't American you I mean
Bill Cosby. It's all kind of black voices that wasn't muted.
Hip hop gave a specific version where they grew up
at a voice. So it's it's it's almost it's hard

(28:28):
because if even from its inception it didn't represent all
black people, there was always black opponents of hip hop,
like you know, I mean from the beginning, from the
beginning to the end o this day. You know what
I mean there's people that's like, fuck with y'all got going?
You know, they couldn't understand that you.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Bill Cosby wasn't Yeah, I mean Deloris Tussan.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
No, she didn't pass away, forgive me see the Lords.
Tucker was an opponent, but even R and B music
was an opponent of hip hop. So it was a
specific experience. And and I get what you're saying because
it is viewed as black culture. But I spend so
much time trying to tell people, no, this ain't all
of us, and it's hard, and I'm almost sometimes willing

(29:14):
to to submit to your concept because no matter how
many times I expressed, hey, this is you, ever notice
they speak a specific way, you know what I mean?
And I noticed too some of the places like where
we're from, like where y'all from, and where craze is from.
Everybody is a little bit more seasoned. So somebody could
be like from New Orleans and the suburbs, and but

(29:36):
they still be flavored with the wards, like you ain't
getting away from that versus LA. Like there's places you
could be black and you not nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Like us Rancho, because it's big, it's why.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
And it's white real white, so you could have that opportunity,
you know what I mean, versus where y'all from. So
I get watched to me more people from the East
and South feel like it's just black culture because when
I come to Atlanta, a lot of people act like me,
you know what I mean, Like, it ain't a lot

(30:12):
of people that act not like me. So I feel
like what we automatically associate with black culture is probably
a little disingenuous because it's like, we probably all know
some black people that don't act nothing like us. So
you know, once we get past our hair, once we
get past our skin, it's gonna be a vast difference
between a lot of us. But I do get your point.

(30:35):
And see that's why I say, even though we debate it,
be like damn it, like I get what he's saying,
because people are gonna they gonna look at me and
be like, this is how black people. This ain't how
black people. This is how people from Watts act. This
is how people from Compton act. I mean, and there's
some people from there that necessarily ain't quite like me.
But I'm saying this is how we act. This is

(30:55):
how street urban culture people act. If you go to
certain place where's black people at like over there, Like
you know, when you get past the sixties, in them
nice neighborhoods, bro, they don't act like this. So it's
like versus when I'm in New Orleans, I don't give
a fuck where you go. Everybody talk like that. But
that might talk like b that might talk like that.

(31:18):
So it's such a weird place. But I definitely don't
want to put the burden of hip hop on Black America.
I definitely want to keep it specifically for the you know,
if Chuck d said rap music is the ghetto seeingn.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
I look at it as it's our language. And I
said this on my podcast, that language is universal. So
when I leave New York and come down to Atlanta
and I get with a bunch of get with a
bunch of blood, and they take me down to the
bluff and they got me going through all types of
hoods and all that stuff. I can do that because

(31:59):
when they ask me who and where I'm from, accountability,
This is who I am, this is where I'm from.
You get what I'm saying, even though I'm bluing they
rad because I took count of who I am and
where I'm from. Oh, we're gonna show you the hood, homie,
we gonna shake you. Where's that? And then when I
came out, I went out to New Orleans. I'm in
I can't remember the block, but when I told I'm

(32:21):
a guy with my man down there, and he had
me in a spot where they was serving food on
trades in the back, the music in the front, the
music was jumping in the back. The ball was somebody kitchen.
But this was the most It looked like a little house,
but it was. And I'm in a plumb but if
you could see the gangsters in there. But my man
introduced me. My man played from book Yo, I'm throwing

(32:42):
throw through, Oh without hump, told me nothing but love.
You get what I'm saying, Go to toech no matter where.
Me and cousin, Me and cousin two tough and coach.
But me and cousin connect. And it's the instant language.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
And that's the dangerous part. Like and it's hard because
I can explain this, but I got it every time.
And this is the problem with accountability when you like,
I became such a better gangster over time because at
this point, like I am willing to totally be accountable.
But that also means I got to think a million
times and be okay with whatever I say. So, like

(33:16):
I can tell you how being a cryp has brought
me with brothers all across the country, I can't tell
you a lot of stories where being a cryp, you know,
at this point in my life where it's like then
it's caused a conflict, you know what I mean? Cause
it's like even at home with certain bloods, it's like,
you know, there's other things that make it where it's like, oh,

(33:36):
he's a that dude is cool, Like you know what
I mean. So, but I can't say this type of
shit out loud because I don't want some little dude
thinking that this is something you could beat. This is
who I was before I was in this actual uniform.
Now I agree with you. Another point is where it's
like I was gonna be this person anyway, and I

(33:57):
can tell you how crip and benefited me as a person,
But then I can't say it out loud because I
don't want nobody else to think that this is your
journey through it. So where like how to me, a
lot of people put the onus of other people wanting
to be a game member, Like, oh, you know, they're
trying to discourage him. I don't personally, I don't believe
that's a solution, because I can get why a fourteen

(34:17):
year old kid want to be a cryp, who wouldn't
want the social currency, who wouldn't want the command of
an army, who wouldn't want access to all kinds of
ways to make money and hustle, who wouldn't want you know,
this level of blah blah blah blah blah blah, even
at the expense of death in prison. My owners be
on homies, Why do you want this nigga to be

(34:37):
from over here? It's dangerous every time you have somebody
from the game, right because now this is a person
you gotta protect. This person could make you look dumb.
This person could ruin if you know something that's going on,
he could tell the police. So I've always put more
of the blame on the community itself, Like I just
did a song recently where I'm criticizing homies, like y'all

(34:58):
don't even know these people. Why are you making them
a part of the community, Like how do you even
expect them to get in the car and hurt somebody.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
They don't even know you.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
You get what I'm saying, like, what compels me to
do the dumb shit or risk my freedom? I've been
knowing my homies my whole life round round, Russ kids,
Moto Recipes, Jay kids, little kids with kids, the older homies.
They know my mother and father. So and it's true inception,
Like you said, we could get back to the beginning.

(35:30):
This is like this real Nish community thing. But that
ain't most people experiences. So that's why even I'll be like, man, dde,
it's different for me, but I get why I still
have to support what you're doing because you everybody can't
take this way. It ain't if you gotta try to
figure it out. It's not your way. They're gonna have

(35:50):
to try to figure it out. So that's why I
kind of stand with what you bed because I'm like, ah,
I like, it doesn't have to be right, but people
make what you're saying right enough to where it's like, fuck, man,
I can't.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Shit, Yeah, how could you ruin this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah man, when you see the innocence of those babies,
it'd be like, you know what, brother, we all grown
men around here.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I respect what you on, and I respect what you're on.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Now, let's collectively look at those innocent babies, though, and
let's give them a different route than they can take,
other than thinking that the streets are cool or their
gang banging is cool, or that that's their only option
to make it in life. Because I'm sure some people
felt like, this is my only opportunity to be affiliated
with something, yeah, to be something in life.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
So my thing is on the internet.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Man, we see a lot of grown people just going
back and forth over nuanced little differences that people might have.
I'm to a point where I'm like, hey, you know what,
it's actually love and respect across the board with other
adults because we can all agree that we want better
for our next generation and our babies. And if we
can do that, that's the part where all right, So

(37:06):
I call it. I call it the trickle down effect, right.
I feel like in hip hop we have to start
at the top. This is the first generation ever where
we got people in hip hop.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You mentioned Chuck D. Chuck D. I just did.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
I just wrote co wrote two songs on Public Enemies
album that just came out.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, one of them for a Grammy it's super deppreciated.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Bro Chuck and Flave they in their sixties, right, So
we got cats and hip hop this in their sixties
all the way to cats that are in their teens
right now, right relevant artists.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
First time that you got all these different generations.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I feel like the onus of leadership has to come
from the top and have a trickle down effect on
the younger generation. So my goal is just to get
That's why I love dialogueing with you, even via Twitter
or whatever it is, because I'm just like man. The
more that at the top that we can learn how
to civily disagree but then even agree when people might.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Be like whoa, how y'all know each other? Like how
y'all friends? Like what?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
The more that we can form like unification at the
top and be some of the oje's, the elder statesman
in the culture, and we can take these these morals
and principles and say we want this to have a
trickle down effect on the generations underneath us. It has
a chance of succeeding because we can't expect somebody in
their teens and their twenties to come into the game

(38:30):
and say, all right, y'all, here's the right way to
lead our culture and our community. Man, somebody young, they
still got that residue on their hands. They still in
the streets. Probably they're fresh out the streets. They coming
into money for the first time. You didn't have bread
for a while. I didn't have bread for a while.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
We didn't seeing success to the point where they could
look at you and be like, oh, I can tell
he's still cut from their cloth. But then you hit
him with By the way, I got three kids, yea man,
and I'm like a real real daddy, and like I'm
a cooking breakfast every day. Them catch that's twenty one
years old and just signed their first record deal, they
don't have that life experience that you have. So my
goal is to just get the people at the top

(39:09):
to now say, man, let's have some codes and morals
and codes of ethics that we want to say, hey,
we are not okay with these certain type of behaviors
moving forward. And I feel like one of them is
I try to dumb this down and make it as
simple as possible. One of them is the glorification of

(39:30):
murder music in our culture, because once again, let's just
do it.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I used to be a math teacher. It's a math formula.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
We agreed that we have the power in our culture
as black people to make anything seem cool. Right, Murder
goes on every day. It has to be wrapped about,
it has to be talked about. But there's a difference
between narration and glorification. And I just feel like if
we could come to a consensus to where we all say, yes, there's.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
No circumstance under which we should make.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
The murdering of another man or woman or kid or
whatever seem cool in rap music, to where we you know,
we're putting it in a song and we're almost like
celebrating it and whatnot as opposed to we narrating it.
You feel me, That's That's just the one the one
thing I'm trying to see, could we all agree on that,
because if we agree on that at the top, then

(40:20):
it starts to have a trickle down effect to where
the youngins are like bro State far Marina was packed
last night.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
The NBA young Boy sol out brother exactly, and.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
I wanted to get the hell home a bunch of
tight pings book bag. I'm like, man, even me.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Know, yeah, I'm but that's cause you are.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
But that's because you are a seasoned veteran at this
point you experienced that.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You go them young brothers and sisters.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Man, you talk about being fresh off the poach, they
fresh fresh off the poach, so for them, they are
coombay and around killing.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
And then the.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
City of Atlanta gives the NBA Young Boy the Key
to the city last night, and this young brother shout
out to NBA Young Boy for this. I just saw
it on my phone. He received the award on stage
and said, you know what, I know that I still
rap about a lot of violence and guns and killing
in my music and I'm trying to work on that.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
He said, I'm a work in progress. I really respected that.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
By that young twenty five twenty six year older brother
to say that and to be aware, because man, we
are so desperate to be cool nowadays that the city
of Atlanta is like not just Atlanta, anybody. People just
want to be associated with what's hot and what's popping.
So we'll fool around in award and celebrate people for

(41:39):
stuff that It's like, really we need to be trying
to mentor you, really we need to be trying to
put our arm around you and pray for you and help,
you know, guide you in a different direction. But we
just want to celebrate you as is. So that's part
of the problem with our culture too, man, is like
we we don't want to just say we agreed that
we shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Be But the problem is so I'm not obviously, I
think we're mature enough to express nuance about situations and
especially even when somebody loses their life. But there is
a space where these are young soldiers and it's it's

(42:20):
it's tough, like I it's a level of authenticity that
should be driving hip hop to where when you hear
the story, you can hear the pain in it. So
like real people doing their thing, it's a level of
either pain or it's a level of high, right, because

(42:41):
you're either gonna go in that studid feel a pain
of what's been happening, or you're gonna be high enough
to talk about it without any regards for what happened,
you know what I mean. So Trapp says that my
boy Trap said all the time, that's that murder, death
kill music, And I'm like, well, personally, this is my thing,
and here's my dilimma, right, I don't listen to it

(43:01):
because it's like, as somebody who's been a soldier, I'm like, okay,
well you know, but it's not just I don't want
to make it another thing. I don't want to make
it exclusive to US America. Rewards is soldiers. So naturally,
you know, if you got a bunch of brothers, let's
say Chicago and drill, like they're talking in like army,
they're talking in like what's the word, what's like service

(43:25):
type terms. Drill is a service military term. Opposition is
a service term. So it's like, these are kids that
soldiers and wars and like that's one of to me,
your hardest points that because I don't know if the
truth is silencing them versus hearing the like I think
hip hop misses a moment like when Chuck d says

(43:46):
it's the ghetto, rap music is the ghetto. Seeing I
think that's supposed to be the alarm for us as
Black America to say, hey man, what's up, what's happening here,
and to rush in and say we need to make
sure we work this out, versus us using it as entertainment.
And to me, that's where I get nervous, like if
we start to silence the cries or the because even

(44:09):
though I don't care how tough they make it, it's cries.
Trust me, if you sober, you know what I mean.
It's a cry, it's not the same intent. If you high,
then it is free and it's loose the conversation about
what happened in this specific battle you was in. Right,
So it's like, I don't I'm scared to silence them

(44:31):
because I don't know what we know what's going on
if we start to silence it.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
But with d one is saying where I agree with
him is I think that he makes mu I owe
your music. There's always that music out there. What happens
that music get funded the way the other music get funded.
You get what I'm saying, At what point do hip hop?

(44:56):
And I'm and I said this, I said, you know,
I think we need a little minati. I think we
need a real secret cabal where we got people the
people who got to findance to come together and really decide, Okay,
this is what's gonna go on? Is not and really
fun because that's what happened. If we could talk all
the positive that we want. But if them people say, yo,

(45:18):
did murder death kill, gonna get you a bag?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
There you go. Profitability, yes, even even if they never
bust no gun at nobody.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
And to me, that's where I start to have a
problem because the corner start. One thing that's do while
hip hop and it falls by the wayside is authenticity,
you feel me Like we can talk about elements based
off this street urban cultural idea, but the fucking.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Authenticity we celebrate that.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
So like like let's say the ship with Ross. I
can understand the argument because you're like, hold on, bro,
like if you're gonna pop it, because if you hurt
anybody who hustles right speak, it's a layer there you go.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (45:58):
When you're young, yes, Now when you're twenty, when you
get your first you know, falling back, you get your
first nine, you think you are scarfaced from the fucking
movie because you ain't know nothing. But if you didn't
been around it long enough to where you've actually been
developing your skills as a rapping you remembering, like you
listened to early jay Z, there's so much nuance to
what it is. It's like it's a story about you know,

(46:18):
me to parent different stories where you like, damn, you
know you can hear the trauma in it.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
And it would never glorified. It was always the Okay,
this is the up, but.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
This is the damn because he was grown enough and
experienced enough to do it. So my only fear d
of that point is like, damn, man, Like I don't
want to silence the voices I need to hear to
be able to go connect like that was a big
thing to me, Like hip hop made us connect, and
like when I first went to New Orleans, like I

(46:48):
was looking for certain things and when I saw it,
you was able to build and bond with brothers in
a different way. And like I said, a brother from
New Orleans pretty much changed my life. So it's like
I'm just that's my only fear now again, I wouldn't
oppose you. You don't hear me like when man, come on,
do you want it? I might ain't gonna say nothing.

(47:08):
My only fear in that is like I don't want
to miss chief Key, like I don't want to miss Reach.
I don't want to miss the brothers who need to
meet me, like you know, because we silenced them. That's
my only fear now if it happens, obviously it's you know.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
He said, when you say you don't want to miss them,
meaning you don't want them to not have the ability
to grow and thrive the prospect.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Because that's change because prime example, like young Boy was
able to when he So sometimes you don't so gang
bagging and being on the street, ship working weird ways.
A lot of it is driven off you don't think
people care about you, like like I realized certain hommies
really didn't. A lot of homies didn't think people cared
about them. Maybe they mom was at the time. You know,
it's crack erar. Moms don't drub blah blah, so they

(47:57):
looking for people to care. So somebody like young who
this is a fourteen fifteen year old kid. When I'm
first seeing him on YouTube in his life, you could
tell this nigga might have been shooting hel like he is.
This is just a whole another thanks.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
This is therapy overbeat like you said, this is just
hit him. He just gone to a therapy session. Every
time he get on.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I was thinking about it. He's been trapped in his house,
yeah for years, right, and he didn't fucked up, got
hisself and all kinds of shit. Lord knows. And another
part ain't talking about is how bad drugs is. Drugs
are bad in a lot of these situations, Like young Boy,
I think he's pretty been open about it, but a
lot of this shit is them medicating to deal with it.
So yesterday, like that award miss something and I get

(48:41):
totally what you're saying. I don't think you're wrong, but
look what that award made him see, and you need
to see that now. I was like, wait a minute,
all these people care about me. Now you're forced to
be in the mirror. It was different when he was
stuck up on what he called the grave Digger Mountain
and it ain't nobody could come up there. You can't
go to think about every arena this dude is seeing.

(49:04):
But now like when he was maybe at one time
he didn't know because it was behind the screen. He arguing,
Now you know, motherfucker, fuck you, and he're doing all
that shit, he arguing on the computer. Now you going
to arenas. Remember this is his first arena, toy. I
don't even know when the last time he'd been out,
because it was in prison.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I don't even.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I think partial tours.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, so like you on Grab Digger mountin stuck for years.
Now you go out and its tens of thousands of
motherfuckers at every motherfucking show. And now that Atlanta's like, look, man,
we respect what you were able to make out of yourself.
Here is this and it's like now it's real pressure.
Here come accountability. So again it's one of them things

(49:44):
where I'm like, damn, I stand behind you, but I'm
like also like damn, do I really want to lose?
When I first was able to meet Reese, I was
able to talk to him. When I was first able
to meet black youngster, I was like, I could see
what they was on. So, oh, watch up with you, honey.
I could politics. I can start seeing with make Nigga's tick,
start figuring out how to help or deal with somebody,
you know what I mean. So young Boy to me,

(50:05):
like you know it's fucked up, Like I get what
you're saying, so I won't oppose it, but I'm also scared,
like if young boy doesn't get that yesterday, trust me
going back in the studio after yesterday, it's gonna be different.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
And that growth like what you say about you with
these with these.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Kids need to see if somebody loves them, not even
just that, they need to see that growth.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
If young boy got that thing and decide, yo, twitching up,
I'm gonna keep the same energy. But switching up. You
know how many people that follow him, It's gonna switch
you up.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
You know?

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Different with J D. Taylor, take them jazy door, put
a button ump on you get with him.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
So the West Coast has that they got Glasses Malone,
you feel me. The East Coast has that they got
a styles P right people who became real old.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Geez, you know what I'm saying. But for every Glasses
Malone and styles P.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
You got a bunch of crazy, but you got.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
A bunch of old. I remember we got older, but
I remember with that P. I lived in New York. Oh,
I remember with niggas in the class. I remember with
those people beat your ass. But now, but we had
to see that growth in that magnet.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
But for every one styles P or for one Glass,
you got a million cats who they got older, but
they didn't grow up. And that's what I call OG's
versus DG's disappointing grown ups. You feel mean, because we
got a lot of cats that it's like, damn, brother,
you and your fault is you and your fifties. Now
you living in a gated community, your kids go to

(51:40):
private school.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
You know better. You're not fresh off the poach no more.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
But because that reward system kept paying you to showcase
the raunchy, ridiculous, ratchet side of yourself, you never got
to show the real, righteous, relevant side of yourself. And
because of that, you got all these old heads who
still behave behaving and glorified and the same things they
were doing thirty years ago. And that's the problem in

(52:04):
the culture is That's why I know it.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
From a mile away.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
That's why I'm like, oh, I'm ana stay connected to
this dude, Like White on Rights, I'm staying connected to
a styles p because a chuck d because I know
that our culture needs more unification from the ogs who
are willing to say, man, I was once stabbing cats
up in the club. I don't know what this man
was doing in his past, you know what I'm saying.
I got an idea, you know, but I know that

(52:28):
whatever it was, he's a more mature version of that now.
Whatever it was, and people like y'all that made y'all
comfortable maturing through that uncomfortability. And I'm sure you get
hear some people say, man, we want some of that
ol g malone, or we want some of that or
da da da. But whatever, man, whatever resilience you have
that makes you say, I know the man that I

(52:48):
was called to be, and it requires me to grow
and be an example setter now based on the knowledge
and the wisdom that I have. That's what we are
lacking inside of hip hop, and that's my main gripe
and that's the only I don't have it. I've never
had issues in hip hop with the younger generation. It's
always been some of the older cats who are mad that,

(53:08):
especially when you put names on it.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
You know what I'm saying. And when you say, well.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Come on, brother, you could do better. Brother, I love you, brother,
you could do better. And cats feel a way. But
usually if somebody call me gay right now, you think
I'm finna go off on them, No, man, because I
know I'm the furthest thing from get you of it.
Like I'm sitting there, like, man, what's wrong with this
rather man? This man trolling, this man trying to go viral.
But if somebody says something that you knowing like, mmmm,

(53:35):
it's some truth to that. And if they're saying it publicly,
then you're gonna feel a need to have to bunk
back and say something because you feel like a hit dog.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
And now you start to holler.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
And in hip hop, people are too comfortable with wanting
to say, man, yep, this is what I do, this
is who I am. I'm not growing, I'm not maturing,
and I'm gonna continue to be a hotbed for glorifying
this ignorance and this immaturity. And nobody better not tell
me nothing because I'm certified in my hood or I'm
selling records.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
But you know what's funny, I don't believe that's really
anybody authentic. It's so motherfucker that's authentic. I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Whatever do that now?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
I heard some people you argue with, But I think
now we can start to question authenticity of people. And
I think you're gonna notice that there's fractures in it,
and that's what they're really more set. Before you walk in.
I was talking to a king and Frank and I
was saying, marketing one thing that I respect about what
you do, what your brand is it's no great. Great
marketing is very black and white, you know what I mean.

(54:37):
So even when it's not positive, it's gonna be it's
gonna be everything disgusting, everything fucked up with motherfucking humans.
But like yours, that's what I'm saying. Even though I
can see the brand stick out, it's cool because it's
for something to help people, you know what I'm saying.

(55:00):
But I get what you oppose, the same marketing that
cannot do anything but.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Hurt people that you go And.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Man, I'm free, bro, Like I'm free, meaning like I
don't have an endorsement that I got to worry about losing.
I don't have the approval of some hood that I'm
worried about losing if I say something. I don't have
a certain dialogue amount That's like, man, I might not
make as much as I made last year if I
say this or do this. That place of freedom allows

(55:31):
me to create and speak in a way that's like, Hey,
I'm going based on the morals, values and principles the
Word of God that I add here to, and I'm
just like it's very simple in this world.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It's pretty black and white. What's right and what's wrong.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
But we try to have this gray area to where
it's like, hey, I'm a righteous person, but when I
get into this booth or I get on this stage,
or I'm a part of this culture, I just want
to be a wretched person. You heard me, But both
I want them to both coexist. Respect me as a
righteous man off the mic or off the stage, but
when I get here, allow me to be a cultivator

(56:09):
of negativity and foolishness right here, because this is just
how I make my money, and that contradiction.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
And I hope that's not what it is. That'd be
my problem, like because I know, like immediately when you
say I think of names, and I'm like, yeah, I
get it. I can't argue that right because I can't
because I don't think nobody authentic does just that.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Okay, So if I'm married, if I got married today,
but my number one record that kept me on the
record with the biggest whole show, you all right what
I'm saying. But I'm married man for early men today,
But my number one record back in the day that
got that, I'm still touring that still feed me. If
you make it right now, I wouldn't make it right now.

(56:53):
But if I'm still going on tour performing that record,
I mean you're a slave to money. That's what that means.
That's what that means.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Because guess what. Let me tell you how hypocritical we
are as black people.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
We want Jerry Jones to have to be held accountable
for him being in a picture at a at a
a KKK Raley or something like that.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Back kids, kids go to school. That we wanted.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I was trying to pose. Yeah, brothers going to school
and he was standing here in a great jo and
he was in the crowd, and oh, you wasn't doing it.
Oh you got to be held accountable for that.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Hold on, man, you got all these twenty five, thirty,
forty fifty years later, you got to be held accountable
for that. But we don't want nobody to be held
accountable for Man, I made this record twenty years ago,
but now I'm marriage, so I'm just gonna keep performing this.
We're like, nah, it's cool because you made it twenty
years ago, so just go ahead on and keep performing that.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Once again, that's a lack of accountability. And the thing
people always run to is, man, it's how I feed
my family.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Well, you a slave, Patna. You're a slave to that
green piece of paper just feeding your family. And that's
the problem is not enough cats are free enough to
where they're Like, I made smart decisions with my money
to where now as an elder statesman in my forties,
fifties and sixties, I'm free from having to constantly be

(58:10):
this walking contradiction of I'm living this way but I'm
performing stuff. There's a total contradiction to who I am
just because this is what I get paid off of.
So listen, bro, I say this. Bro, I'm gonna say this.
This is my problem with the whole hip hop culture
right now. Some people we say it off the mic,
So I leave it off the mic. If you want
to people who you spoke very highly of, who you said,

(58:31):
change your life. You know what I'm saying from my city,
Like I know it, Bro, I know firsthand. These are
good people, good people, but they still professionally want to
be want to harbor and kumbayi around all the negativity.
And it's like, dang, when there's no such thing as
a righteous killer, a righteous drug dealer, a righteous corrupt politician,

(58:58):
Well he's a corrupt politics.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
But man, he's a good dude. Man, he really is dad.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
At the end of the day, we have to look
at the fruit that we are producing and bearing in
this world.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
So it's not like dang.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
That's like people saying right before they execute you and
literally like pull a plug and execute you and electrify
you to where you're gonna die to where they say, ay,
but I did ask you what you want your last
meal to be, So I ain't no bad person because
I at least gave you yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
And that's what we got in hip hop. We got
a lot of good dudes.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Dudes who the dude who changed your life, Dudes who
I'm showing you rock with to the fullest, people who
I'm like, man like, they are good people. But I
just see that they're good people in a room with
four other individuals. But then professionally, what the world knows
them for is them being a platform giver to people

(59:49):
who are doing nothing but making murder, drug dealing, misogynistic
behavior and all that seem cool and it.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Isn't any level.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
And often that's inauthenticity when it comes to that. It's
either they are still addicted to slash, a slave to
the money, that they're making or they are inauthentic, meaning yeah,
that's why I say, imagine growing up thinking that these
people are real, and then you get older and you realize, man,

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they're actually real fake.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
You feel me like the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Whole my whole childhood. I was told that that's the
definition of what's real. From the jewelry they wear to
the lifestyle they promote, that's the definition of real. And
now I'm finally old enough and I'm behind the curtain.
Like I ain't on the other side of the curtain
as a fan, no more. I'm behind the curtain. I'm
in a room with y'all. I'm seeing how y'all get down. Man,
this is the furthest thing from real. This is inauthentic

(01:00:44):
as a mug. But now if I call it out,
I'm seen as a hater. I'm seen as an op
to some people. I'm seen as a threat to their
existence and how they feed their family.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
And you know what, I'm okay with that at this point, brother,
I'm okay with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Being all of that because if we don't if we
don't sober up and just be like, hey man, I'm
not the one that need to change some of y'all
are the ones that need to change. Like, if we
don't do that, then we just gonna continue to perpetuate
the same thing. Man, you can't tell me your daddy
is a good dude if he's sitting here, like, hey son,

(01:01:21):
let's go shoot basketball out at the park, Da dada,
And then when we come home, I'm gonna beat your
mama to night. You hear me, beat the piss out
your mama to night. And yeah, I'm a slapper in
her face. I'm gonna pull her hair, all that type
of stuff in front you. But I shot hoops with
you earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
So you know, I'm dude.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I brought you a PlayStation five and you got to
accept all that except that whole package. And at the
end of the day, be like, yup, I still rock
with Pops because I've seen that side of him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Man, forget that, man. Hip hop ain't nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
But a big old billboard for whatever we want to
make seem cool. And at this point, bro, like, I'm
I'm good on all this. I'm good on this whole culture. Bro,
I have gotten a divorce from the hood.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
That's why I call it hippocritical hop. Sure they got
hip hop and they got hipocritical.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Why I don't want you to have that attitude is
because your message is just as important and even though
it doesn't feel like it being getting through, as long
as you consistent and you stand on that shit. I'm
telling you, the same way people gravitate towards ignorant bullshit,
they graduate, they gravitate towards positive shoe the same way

(01:02:28):
you got that on your shop. There's a bunch of
people that feel that same way. You get what I'm saying.
There's a bunch of people who want that same thing.
But it takes somebody bold enough to say, hey, yo,
this ain't what we do like. It takes somebody bold
enough to go stand in front of them people and
be like, you know, my nigga like this thing, and
when they see you do it like, well, he on

(01:02:50):
that shit. You get, I fuck with you. And the
reason why I never went it far as I went,
i'mna be honest, I ain't ever know how to curb
my mouth. Every time I got in the room, I
told them, nigga, fuck out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yep, you deal what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
When I first went, when I first got to deal
with an A and r back in with that two
thousand and five, I went there with thirteen niggas. I'm
twenty one, twenty two years, I got thirteen artists. Or
for my hug yo, man, we're gonna be the next boutang.
I don't want no record deal, give me a dist
bebauty them nigga last me out that building. And then
went and took the number one artist that I had

(01:03:24):
and gave him a million dollar dealth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Wow do you think that? Do you think that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Here's a real question? Do you want to And again,
I don't really ask lowly questions.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I'll be that's cool, brother, We're family, though, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Do you think they feel like they have to talk
about this like this is the only way people will
digest they shit, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
You have to be okay with not appealing to everybody,
and most people haven't crossed that bridge. That's the first
thing they tell you when you're a kid. Hey, everybody
ain't gonna be your friend, and you gotta be okay
with that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
But more people been to church than been to a scene, right,
So I don't get how what they see that it's
more value in this particular lifestyle and this is me
being honest, like, I don't. To me, it's the niche
existence of it that they must see value. But I
wonder is it because now I'm thinking about I'm like, damn,

(01:04:15):
I wonder who they feel pressured to talk about it?
Unlet's say, like like if a rapper talked about doing
some improper behavior with a woman, like, do you feel
like do you think that's cool?

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Do I think do they think that's cool?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Of course they think that's cool because the reward system
has been set up by the corporate entities to where
they say, man, talk about the stuff. They probably don't
feel good in your spirit because it's like, wait, I'm
disrespecting my own community. I'm disrespecting women in this song.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Really like you Suw.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I could talk about this and then when you talk
about it, they say, here go two million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
You know what I mean. That's the part that make
people be like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Oh wait, it felt weird at first to talk about
slapping the chicken and whatever. Doggie Style I said a
little bit before my error right Doggy Style album twenty
year Old Man, There you go, dog Doggy Style. Whenever
it's like waita wait, y'all show I could wrap all this.
Y'all show I could sell all this like cause, I
mean I do have a mama and a grandma and
I love black women and that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
But y'all show I can sell all this. Yeah, yeah,
I say it, And here go three.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Million dollars you know, and we're gonna put you on
tour and make you the biggest a man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
That type of stuff that it makes people be like, hey,
that's happening. Bro. What happened to Snoop's career after Doggy Style?

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
I think I knew just making music about how he
was living living bro.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
We are all. We are not a minor lift, bro.
None of us is living no one way twenty four seven,
three sixty five. So anytime we choose to make an
album with fifteen or sixteen tracks, we've chosen to take
certain parts of how we live in and to say
I'm gonna put a microscope and and center in on
just these aspects of who I am.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
That's the part, brother.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Is that for the same dude that's running train with
his potner on a chick the night before, that same
dude over a twenty four hour period probably then went
to the coffee shop and got some coffee, probably when
called his mama to check on her, probably when you know,
did a lot of stuff in that twenty four hour period.
But the reward system says, now, we don't care about
your mama, We don't care about your kids, We don't

(01:06:17):
care about that coffee you drink.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
We care about that train you ran on that chick
with your partner.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Is it really a reward system? If dear Mama is
one of the biggest songs in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Bro, how many deal Mamas are there in Hippower You
can count them on one hand.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
But wouldn't that be the center token for a reward system?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Wouldn't that Tupac wasn't anomaly?

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I think we could all agree that Tupac wasn't nominally
because the same Tupac, the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Same No, you don't feel like we got that with
Chuck d D Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
The same Tupac that Deal Mama came out with also
came out with hit him up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Come on, man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
But that's that's that's the That's the thing about being human,
right is especially where we grew up at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
The thing about being human is you have all of
these experience instance where I think Pak wasn't much of
an anomaly. I think he chose to rap about He
was more of a poet to where he could rap
about certain things and have it because even Dear Mama
is a very unique type of love song about how
we grew up with our moms. Like that ain't a
normal America. That ain't that's a very I was just

(01:07:19):
telling my boy he was comparing like it was a
Drake song about his mom, and I'm like, he was
comparing it to Dear Mom, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Nah, this is this is way different.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
I mean so, but I don't know if it's a
reward system in place for that for the negativity. No,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
I don't necessarily think that. I think, Okay, when would
we say initially right that this became a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Okay, White people are sixty percent of the population roughly
in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Black people are thirteen percent of the population.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Two hundred and forty exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
You know, there's more white people in poverty than black
people people, right, like just numerica.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
You mean to know, I think I've seen one out
of twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
There you go. You mean to tell me you don't
think that there are in this world. Once again, it's
not a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
You don't you don't think they got white people that's
out there rapping about uh, doing drugs, selling drugs, killing people,
White drill rappers. They exist, but there's a reason why
none of them have been signed and made to be
mainstream stoke.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Thank you, bro. There's a reward system set up for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Certain people to say, you think they don't have a
white NBA young boy out there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Of course they do. But Billy the Kid, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Talking about a hip hop but I'm saying hip it's
hard for them to be in hip hop because this
is our thing. They celebrated their scum to the point
where people you will hear brothers and sisters saying they
body and clode. They don't even realize that they serial
killers and they killed themselves like that, or they dited
the hands of the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Police on the run.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
So and see, this is the point, Like, I don't
country defend something that you supposed to attack, but I
definitely want to make sure we get it right. Like,
I don't know if there's really a reward system. I
know this sounds crazy because I've been around it enough
like dog is a twenty year old kid in his
particular situation right where he's highlighting the things that he

(01:09:23):
felt was the shit in his existence, right, versus the
everyday thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
It was like, this is what we're doing at the
highest level. Right, Okay, we had a party, Jen and juice.
This is how we party. This is what we're drinking, right,
this is what makes it unique. And it's still a
twenty year old kid versus now where he makes a
million songs about his old lady. You know what I mean,
he was able to grow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
So all right, hold on, watch this money on the table, right, sure,
all right, let's flashback. We all nineteen years old right now,
broke in the trenches. Right, that ain't nothing but like
forty dollars. But to act like that, let's act like
that's four hundred thousand dollars right there, Right, we are

(01:10:04):
all upcoming rappers. If the person who has that money
is saying, hey, that could be yours. But what I
need you to rap about is I need you to
rap about mathematics, science and history.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
What they just taught you in high school.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I need you to give me an album about mathematics, science,
and history, and that's yours. Are you capable of doing
that for that money? Yeah, of course you are, but
you oh oh that's your partner. No, no, no for you
because of where you're from. That money is reserved for you.
But I need you to rap about busting cats heads.
I need you to rap about all the chickshooting smashed.

(01:10:40):
I need you to wrap about all the dope that
you've either sold or consumed and make it sound real cool.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
You're nineteen years old? Can you do that for this money? Sure?
There you go. It's that simple. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
But who is given? Who would have been a person
given them?

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Shul bro bro and thank you? Come on?

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
They brought the album finished to enerscope bro. Okay, So
then you gotta blame So who was Snoop directly signed
to Sugar and Drake?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
There you go, So that's what you blame.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
But how can you blame them for them giving a
platform to somebody to approach to deliver artistically their experience.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Because because when you give a platform to somebody and
you got the bag, you are in control of a
This is my platform I'm finna give to you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
This is my money I'm finna give to you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Here's the side of you that I want you to
bring to the table, because if you bring a side
of you to the table that I'm not feeling, naw,
you ain't getting that, you know what I mean. So
that's where accountability once again. Bro, I'm not finna if
I want some good coffee to be brought to me
and then I'm gonna pay them for If they bring
me coffee and that stuff tastes like lemonade, I'm not

(01:11:48):
finna give them the currency that was gonna come along
with here. I wanted coffee. No, you brought me some
tests like lemonade. You're not getting that. But you bring
me what I want. What I approve of this coffee
test good here. Matter of fact, take a tip you
heard me that was real good. So that's been the problem, brother,
is the side the reward system that has been set
up has been set up to where we have been

(01:12:10):
from the inception.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
This not the inception, but I would say the mid
eighties n w A.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Choosing to say a side, a certain side of y'all,
we want y'all to bring to the table, and we
got richest, we got fame, and we got legend status.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Waiting on y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
But it's impossible to predict that though, d how do
you predict that fever Nwa. They had no idea what
was gonna work? Remember they did they should independently. You
don't think that part of that connects because it represents
the mind state of a generation of people at that time,
from that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Particular most of the group wasn't even living like that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
But I'm saying that's the point. It represented those.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
People, right, active, Right, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Yeah, but ran too, But it's not it's not that, right,
it's Ice Q vocalizing the everyday state of this type
of brother from South Central or Compton or Watts or whatever. Right,
So that's hip hop gave a voice to that. I
think it worked because it's an authentic emotion. Like, I
don't think it's programming the people it represents, you know

(01:13:15):
what I mean, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
To other people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Which the problem also is everybody wanted to convince me
that before in Wa, everybody's town was this nice place. Nah,
motherfuckers had the same silly shit going on. So I
think the reason people identified with it is because it
represents an angry mind state at that time in the eighties,
Now it should going like Stunner, Right, Stunner never came
to me and said, hey, glasses, like you gotta rap

(01:13:39):
about this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I don't think he would ever do that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Oh no, that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
And he's way too cold of an exect. But is
it really the labels rewarding it or is it a
general interest in this niche lifestyle like cowboys and Indians?

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Like cowboys right, Remember that's a whole criminal You don't
see that way even just cowboys. Remember, like why on
Earth is not the biggest story in old westerns. It's
all the criminals. Doc Holliday, Billy the Kid, but Butcher,
the Sundas's kids. All of these people are you know,
for lack of better term, thugging, you know what I mean.

(01:14:16):
And then you get to the mod movies, then you
get to the scar faces, then you get to all
this soul shit. So it's and I don't want And
this is my problem, bro, because.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I you don't disagree with me, but it's just it's nuanced.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
And that's the problem for me. And that's why I
suck at marketing, because it's like and I don't want to,
but I'm thinking about sug knowing Dre, knowing Snoop and
them saying like where you at because he's guiding the ship.
Make no mistakes, He's guiding that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Sugar is like, Okay, if this is what we're doing,
this is how it needs to look. This is where
his marketing mind, Dre is like, here's the music, do
your thing, and they're putting the onus. And this is
where I also think we talked about it, me and
you talked about this, John. Is the owners being on
young people. Remember like before hip hop, remember before NWA.

(01:15:09):
It's not to me what they're talking about. It's the
actual age of the person running their label. This is
a twenty five to twenty four year old man from
twenty three year old man from the street, right versus
let's say sugar Hill, Sylvia was probably them their forty
right profile is somebody that's not from the culture, right,

(01:15:32):
run DMC run run is a little different. Right, So
Alll was aggressive, he would yell that was a part
of it. So I think, like even when we talk
about death Row, remember these are all dudes under thirty.
And then they're putting the onus of the project. Like
as far as verbally like Hey, this is what the
songs are going to be about in the hands of

(01:15:54):
this little dude who just got out of the county
jail seven months ago, fucking up. So he's expressing the thoughts.
Now it's I'm with you, because I do think their
executives can kind of guide the space to where they want,
because they do have the dollars if they wanted to
rap about math and science and they thought you could
make a hit record. Because if we make a hit

(01:16:14):
record about math and science, it's a hit record.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
It ain't no denying it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
But now the problem is, what we haven't talked about
this conversation is the most powerful portion of the culture,
which is the fans. The fans, right, So now you
got the artists, we call them the creators. You got
the executives, we call them the commissioners. But now you
got the consumers. And now we have forty years straight

(01:16:46):
of consumers who have grown up being conditioned to liking
a certain type of music, to the point where now
it gets harder and harder to make a song about
math and science that the fans are going to actually
be like, yeah, we on more of this, because naturally
the fans as you listen to, it gets passed down generally. Generationally, Bro,

(01:17:07):
the fans want the ratchetness the fans want, but why theativity?

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Why do they?

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I think it's an escape, but I don't think fun
day in existence.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
So so therefore the accountability that we spoke about at
a certain point has to be on the fans. Because
if the fans are saying no, no, no, we want
the worst side of you all, we want the side
of you that celebrates killing and all that, that's something where.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
I think we forget that hip hop is only fifty,
Like it's only fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
And the record portion less than forty.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
You get what I'm saying through. We just got to
the point where we got clips small d amazing. I
ain't talking about killing nobody adults now, making you get
what them saying through. We've said this so we got
two different fan bases now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
But but to d One's point, like, yeah, could we
make a song about mathis science? That's really good? Like
could we make an entertainments all possible? Is that we
make it catchy?

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I don't have there's ever been. Remember, let's go back
into the exception, the exception, right, the earliest stuff right,
let's let's go right from Fat Boys LL Chuck D.
A big part of what they represented was anger. People
don't really.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
See it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
That's part of why they were yelling. This was supposed
to be what black youth we were upset at. How
we wasn't this generation, you know, hey, march to the streets,
blah blah blah. It was cuts you out, fuck y'all,
fight power, you motherfucker. You know I chucked deep with
dead voice. I'm gonna fuck you yo. This is so.

(01:18:46):
Then here goes Cube. He's this even more angrier version
of where we was at as black people in America,
and that's what fueled hip hop. Remember all this early
exception until rock Kim you know or Sham maybe was
yelling like it's disruptive. L was you know, I trust
you like a jelly you know, upset. You know what

(01:19:08):
I'm saying. So I think, just to your point to
upset has gotten Now nigga's really madly. Now let me
tell you why I'm mad, and I'm notas down to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
So the anger, the anger isn't at the government anymore.
The anger isn't at a jelly bean, you know. The
anger is at your ops. They live down the block.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
You motherfuckers.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
No, So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
This is why I can't oppose you, you know what I mean.
Like I'm like, I get the nuance, but sometimes it
don't even be worth saying because it's like ship, did
I really give a fuck? That's my problem, Like I
just don't listen to them dudes. You're right, that's not
fair for me to vocalize because these dudes are still
selling some records, you know what I mean. I can
make a million the base a man, you know, d

(01:19:57):
Man Drake and Cole and Jed Kendrick a big They
ain't talking about hurting the fly outside of the move,
you know what I mean. But I get what you're saying.
So it's it's it's a tough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Out for me, Hey, the tough The tough part for
me is I realized that I'm at war with the
same people I love the most.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Man. That's the tough part that I've had to come
to realize.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
But I don't think that you at war. It's not war.
It's just it's just a communication barrier. Like I said,
when I how I even got i'ma be honest, I
used to be. I'm from Brooklyn. You know me. We
don't fuck with nobody in New York. I didn't get
hit to West Coast music until I started clipping because
there was no East Coast cripping music. So I had

(01:20:39):
to go find music for me to enjoy because everything
on the radio with dip set and this and that.
So I had to go find music for me and
my people do enjoy it. Through in my hood, we
were playing if you got b with dpge like we
would bumping at and that broke the language barrier till
now when I hear because before when I heard too short,

(01:21:01):
like man, shit, try can't get it. But then I
started quittin, Oh, I get with you, so I understand it.
That's how they talk, like, that's how because now we're
talking to each other the thing where we used to
call each other cubs and all that, but now that
we involved in the thing culture and now the language
barrier is broken.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
And not and that's the problem, bro like, And that's
what I was saying when we first started, is it really?
So that's what this is why I had d one
because he's one of the most compelling people like that
I support and follow on social media, like I'm looking like,
come on, d one, you know what's more nuanced? But
is the nuance always worth discussing? That's not my problem

(01:21:39):
that it's like, and my problem is I'm an all
nuanced guy, which is why you know, I'd be the
biggest motherfucking thing cracking if I just let nuance go.
But it's how how do I unless I'm standing with
D one? That where it's like, man, funk all, y'all,
y'all want some bushit anyway, kiss my ass? But if
like I live in this space that's so real, it's
hard for me, you know what I mean? But I

(01:22:01):
could recognize when nuances throw away for the right reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
And I think that's where I come in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
And that's why I've all that's why I support you,
That's why I bought it, that's why I follow you.
That's why even if I disagree, I'm like, it's still
sit right in my spirit because even though I know
more nuanced about it, like this is the problem, like,
is it always worth discussing? Because if some little dude
is gonna hear me and he's not intelligent enough to

(01:22:30):
decipher all the nuances, and it's like I can't change
who I am. Right, It's like I know so much
about being a crypt I understand it at another level.
It don't mean I gotta snatch the old lady, but
I can do what I could be the president with
this shit. But I also could weaponize and take anything
and make it special, like I know how to do

(01:22:51):
it because that's who I am. Naturally. How many people
that's gonna come into the life that's gonna be like this,
I gotta be mindful of that. It's been homiesaid no
lot d one since we haven't a conversation. It's people
that used to try to get quarter and I wouldn't even
let him bee quoted on, Like you came over here
for one hood day? Why would you want to be
from this?

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
You don't even know nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
I used to I made a dude come to the
hood day four or five times. Like you still ain't
figured out what you want to do with your life.
You want to do this, okay, y'all, Okay, do whatever
y'all want to do. Don't hurt him, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
But it's like, why are you picking this? You don't
even know people?

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Like if you see gang bang. From outside, it looks
like a bunch of people. I know all these niggeople.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
I grew up with them. That's why.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
I'm struggling to understand. How could you just want to
come over here? What's going to motivate you to You
can't tell me something ain't fractured with your mind. If
you don't know all of us and you're finna go
shoot for us, something you might be like Jeffrey Dahmer
or something. You got another problem.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Brother, If a person has never been taught multiplication, then
you could tell them that six times four equals thirty
nine and they'll believe you. To the person who knows multiplication,
they're like something wrong with your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Like you're crazy, you're slow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
But for the person who has never been taught multiplication,
you tell them and you make it sound good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Six times full is thirty nine. Six times four is
thirty nine. That's so real. I'm not lying. Six times
four is thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
And you play that seven times a day in their ear,
and they hear that and they go home, brather. They
didn't know any better to begin with. Then you made
it sound cool while you miseducated them. Brother, That is
what I see happening. And they go and they spread
that misinformation to their community because they're like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Man, you got to listen to what I just heard. Heman,
what y'all bumping? What y'all bumping? We bumping? There six
times four is thirty nine, that's what we bumping. Listen
to it. That's what has happened.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Brother, Like I was, I was in middle school, man,
listen to the Hot Boys rap about That was all
Lil Wayne's first album, Black is Hot, rather about Keisha.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
You heard me, chick.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
They all ran the train on you know what I mean.
I'm in middle school. I still had some innocence at
that time, you know what I mean. But man, they
may running their trains sound very very very adventurous and cool.
And you heard about it from BG perspective and Julid
perspective and Turk perspective and Wayne's perspective, and all of
a sudden, I'm curious now, you know what I'm saying.
And I got some partners that they're curious too, because

(01:25:26):
we all listening to the same thing at the time.
So I'm knowing the impact that that has on people.
And it wasn't until I had to come face to
face with my own hypocrisy as a person to wear,
and I wrote a song about it all my album.
It's called Hypocritical Hop. The name of the song is
why do We? And it's a song where I say,

(01:25:46):
why do we cry when rappers die but we love
when they glorify murder when they're alive?

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Right? Why do we say that we love one another
then turn around and backstab by brother? Why do we
claim that we cherish our sisters then disrespect them and
call them up? Why do we cry when rappers die?
So let me tell you this is a true story.
I said. Maybe I'm a hypocrite, Maybe I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I'm at my best friend's funeral in the parking lot
inside of my whip, and I'm bumping murder music. He
just got shot, but just the soundtrack to it. I'm
sad he's dead, but I got these rhymes in my head.
The music sound great. But the Bible just said, is
life and his death in the power of the tongue
Proverbs eighteen twenty one. I'm not done. I shed tears

(01:26:31):
when we buried him. I really cried. But this was
different than a song, because he really died. These people
making music, making murder glorified what I look like putting
them in my top five. We bought into a lie.
Now I feel like a fool, just because everybody bumped it.
At my middle school, we could use these pro tools
to drop jewels, but from the beats to the streets,

(01:26:53):
we made murdering cool.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
We confused.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Man, I'm sitting in the car after I buried my
best friend just finished crying at the fun or being
a pallbarrow. As soon as I got in the car
after the funeral, I cranked my music up and I
had my music in the player on rotation, glorifying the streets,
glorifying Mrking Cats knock your head off your shoulders, Da
da da. And that's the first time I said, Wow,
but look at me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Is that a glorification or what that? Like you said
it in your own bar. That was the soundtrack to
what happened? Yeah, it was, But the glorificate, like I said,
we confuse glorification with some people just telling their story.
Some people just know how to make their story sound good.
As the month I write books like that's where I left,

(01:27:39):
I'm writing but sick books in one year, they still
along I made. I wrote a book about a Quick
that would come to the number one, the double oh seven, Right,
you read that book. I never actually say that he's
a quint. But if you are Quick, you know he's
a quit. You know why language, you know how you
communicate with his friends, and then when he get in

(01:28:00):
front of the people who you need to get in
front of him, he switched. He has a whole intellectual
conversation and ended with a cause. I did that for
a reason because what I'm trying to tell you that
some people just have their life and their lifeline. They
can't turn that shit off. My experience is my experience
now when I'm getting the booth and I make music,

(01:28:23):
I may not be glorifying when I made twelve sixteen.
Twelve sixteen was the last joint I did, that whole
album that followed my journey from becoming who I was,
tough who I am now through the lens of John Gotti,
going from you know what I mean, getting up to
that day when he murdered Catolano on twelve fifteen. So

(01:28:44):
it would, but I wasn't glorifying the murder. What I
was telling you was these are the things. So the
first three albums deal with wanting to be accepted and
being aggressive. Then the second three album deal with finally
being accepted and being a part of it, and then
the last three deal with okay, now that I'm here,

(01:29:04):
what now? And then the last we deal with the decline.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
You see you hear how genius that is, though, bro,
y'all actually y'all from places where y'all put thought into this. Bro,
I grew up on when I ride the chopper, beyond
my side, dog nigas better run duck hide dog because
I'm about to let bullets fly.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Dog five five may pro Like that's what I grew
up on.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
You got it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
You got this concept with three of them, I'm gonna
show the uptick, then the decline, then the streets.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
So I grew up on that under a.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Fire beat and it was like the whole everybody bumping it, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Yeah, but the record sell different in twenties when you
twenty one, it's only so many of us NAS people
that's writing a fully developed experience like that at twenty one,
Like like I was, like, I remember the first album
I never Kendrick used to love it. Album It's called
it was the original beach Cruise. I put it up

(01:30:03):
on streaming. It's called beach Cruise of the story. And
this is like this whole story of how I was living,
and I was able to explain how like my life
got me into some shit that got me killed. But
you know, so that's CD this. This is what I
hate about your argument. It's because I get exactly what

(01:30:24):
you said, but you need nuance to grow, right, It's
like like Juvenile, like, right, you're right. When Juvenile was young,
to me, he had a lot of wisdom, right because
remember Julie is a little older than the rest of
my way, so he had more wism. So when you
remember he's the biggest one too, right, because it was
a level of wisdom.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Like even if you lived in a hunt, he was
giving you gain.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
So what I'm saying is a lot of the things
like happens in age. So is it the go really
to start to silence somebody at twenty being the best
or the most fulfilled knowledge version of himself versus the
song I heard you do with Juvenile this, I heard
it last week. That shit didn't sound like you don't
me wrong. He always had wisdom, but now he sounds

(01:31:09):
like a dude that got the wisdom of somebody fifty
what I mean? So, and I guess that's your point,
you know what I mean. People grow up and they
able versus some people, but I think it's not rewarded.
Like if you keep being the same, people gonna start
to critigue it. They're gonna start saying, manolve. So I
think we do that in hip hop, you know what

(01:31:30):
I mean. We were not letting nobody sell us the
same shit unless we think you the same shit. Man,
if we think your life is changing, you keep doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
We like, come on, bro, that they're going to do
the dude going to record that, going to perform that song.
He probably ain't getting what he would have got if
he would have did the mother shit, what's a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Song you would here before we end oubt what? What
would be?

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
What would be a song that you feel like that's
a smashit record that's somebody shouldn't perform when they marry,
Like what what? What completely abandons the idea.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
I've got hmm, I've got them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Different area, okay area, but centricks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
What if you think vigiation even though you got a wife,
the kind of don't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Add thank you brother? Yeah, thank you, Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
To his point, we we do hold our agents stars accountable,
like we get fifty and I seen, I'm starting to
see it a mentality changed, not so much where everything
is like, we don't come from those environments.

Speaker 6 (01:32:45):
We come from fucked up environments like we come from
red Liner. You really want to get into a conversation.
It's way deeper than the world that yeah, express nobody
like you said you don't if I don't know, it's
the world out there, you know, I see these four
walls right my whole existence.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
But is it really bad about having at one time
when you was a single man to all the women
like you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
I don't think that's that horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
I mean, maybe the wholes part of it, but we
know that don't mean holes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Do you hear this, Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
We're saying this word, but it don't really mean there's
a word, because no white person saying I just called
you a nigger, but I didn't really mean you were
a nigger.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
I mean you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that's what
we do. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I guess, wait a minute, because because holes call each
other holes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
That's we can't do. We can't we can't do a
women do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
It sometimes some of us can.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Not all of us like.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Well, we know the one can we know stuff, we
know the one you can?

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
But man, what does happen? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Because I'm thinking that that really like if I like,
I got holes.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Unless you get him with you, unless.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
You got a hold, but come on, operation run it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
So you feel like so at this point, shout out
to the shout out to.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Louis Lula good good brother.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Should he stop performing that now?

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
That would be the most gast thing ever if he
If he did that, brother, that would be so dope.
That would be so dope. Should he versus.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Versus chronicling his experience at his concot this is the
version like where he ends up at a song where
he's at now or you feel like it should be
nuanced like that, it should be nuanced where it's like, Okay,
if you're gonna do this, let's make sure people know
this is the chapters in your life.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
There you go. If you it's different if you're telling
something as part of a bigger story and be like, hey,
y'all think that's his point? You know, but is that happening?

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
But made no more the furious dude, he ain't not
even know what I got hold, we look at it.
It's like, oh, now if he made I Got Holes today.

Speaker 5 (01:34:59):
Yeah, I was about to say, we look crazy, we're
looking crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
But I would imagine he would. I would imagine he
was ciphered through his song, his catalog and end up
somewhere that he's at now like Dog does it all
the time, Like Dog does it. He ends with young,
Wild and free right. He doesn't end with even though
he's still drinking jenn and juice and he's still doing
but he's not drinking ship. He's still doing the thing.

(01:35:25):
But he won't he won't end. He ends closer most
artists jay Z. He ends closer to where they are
you know, I mean versus it is a journey of
their record Like but again it's one of them things
like I get what you're saying. I can't. I don't
want to. I don't want to even argue it. You
feel me because I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Like, I mean, your potner, your partner. He and shout
out to the home because it really helped change my life.
Kendrick last year with his song he shouted me out
in the song watching the Party Die, you heard me,
He's saying the same thing that I'd be saying, of
just like he made hip hop into like this big party,
and he's just saying, Bro, it's time for that whole

(01:36:07):
party to just die.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Man, you know, I'll be disagreeing with what he wanted
to Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
Yeah, but but but I don't think he was talking
about I think he was talking about the current party.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
The current party. This current party is wet. We stayed
too long. It's funny if we talk so much ship
about the ship, but we wish we could go like
the n w A, don't hold a candle to the
ship happening now. It's like n w A still was like, yeah,
you know, if you trip on me, it's gonna be
a problem, or you know, police hating on me. Now,

(01:36:38):
I was like, man, fuck all this, I'm finna get high.
I'm tripping on every so and I'm gonna switch down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Animal, switch down your whole block, Detroy everything. So.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
But y'all don't see that it's only gonna get worse
unless we at a certain point be like, yo, we
have to draw a line. Like gravity is already pulling
things in a certain direction.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
You think it's over though, yeah, hip hop once over.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
You was at State Farm last night.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
I mean that was that was it? That was a
kind of happen Yeah, but think about nobody. But to
his point, took ten years. I don't think that's happening
no more. Who is the next version of that that's
gonna be able to do that? Look at where the
game is going. It's being put in mature hands.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
M hm, because we don't do mature people are making
all music.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
Put in mature hands. It's being taken by mature hands.
Facts all, y'all old enough.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
That's some of the people.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
And some of them people that that's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
That's the point you being consistent. You're putting something like
any pebble that's the ocean, it's still reverberates. It don't
matter throwing it, you keep putting it in. People is
looking like yo, he's saying this. People out that follows it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
And most of us, even if we don't agree with
everything you say, what it stands for or still matters,
And it's like I would rather follow you, even if
you're unwavering in nuanced. It's cool though what it's for.
It's like, man, well what I care about and is important,
you know what I mean? So, but I don't think

(01:38:15):
it's getting worse. I think this is gonna sound crazy,
but I really think the Young Army cut the motherfucking
head off last year. So because it's making you think
about shit that's happening this year. The clips start they
out talking about their mother, so they might got the
song rapping about hustling their experiences. They start their song

(01:38:36):
dealing with a traumatic experience. I mean, think about what's
been happening. Think about what NAS is doing, think about
what people are doing. You working on Julie's enemy, right,
think about what's happening. This almost to the point where
young boys is like, Okay, what are we gonna do?
Trust me, they're seeing it from everything that you talked about,

(01:38:57):
and they're singing right now. They've seen the clips do
one hundred. They missed the first song they heard was
them addressing the trauma of losing their parents.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
It's what else is important?

Speaker 5 (01:39:07):
Yeah, I'm saying fifty year old rappers.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Because before that's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
What you just said.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Yeah, watching ce Cube Cube right now for thee the
state form before younger and it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
Them new older. Yeah, I think and even though he's
on more to the opposite side, like a West side
done sure, being an older guy coming in and then
ushering all these other older guys. It's like, even if
everybody is not looking for them, to God, it's like
we have elders, elders here. It's like nas is still around.
It's your ghost faces back. Where did ray Kwon come from?

(01:39:45):
Oh ship?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
And the truth is it's gonna demand is excellent excellence,
So you can't come back and be the same version
of yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
You know what, nobody thinks they're the.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Clips when they enter. Look how they entered in a
way that none of us saw the clips. It don't
even matter how they ended. How they entered showed the
level of like if you're one of one hundred and
twenty thousand people that bought that in the first seven days,
it's a group of kids that's like, this is what
them old niggas is talking about. Let me go listen.
That's the first thing they heard. So I think Washington

(01:40:18):
Party died and shout out to hommie because that's the
type of duty is he. You know, he owned it
like that and he mean, I tell you he not
one of them niggas that just played with.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Now that that was a lifetime it's dope.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
You deserve it, I mean, but I think the truth
is we're not as restricted to the behavior that we
think anymore. That don't mean you can stop doing what
you're doing, because what you're doing is probably inspirational in
a lot of it, you know what I mean. But
I do think we're starting to see a level of
accountability in hip hop right now. We're listening to everything.

(01:40:53):
People saying, you tweet the wrong shit. They owe Jim
Jones head, like, I understand what Jim Jones is trying
to say, but because his messaging is confused, they like,
not fuck that, you acting like a little kid. They
might as well start using yo. That's how fast the
culture now was on people like where he's saying.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
I get what he's.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Saying, Like, you know, you don't have to You could
be whatever type of you could be a preacher with
a he's I know what he means. But because they
can't decipher it, and they like, nah, that look funny,
we own.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
You articulating, yeah, and we own you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
We're finna be in your comments. We're finna tell you
about yourself. I never heard so many people critiquing and
me being a gang maker. You forty kick, I mean
forty five fortyick you a crypt? I'm like you know that?
And then I'm like forced to explain nuance like you
know that don't mean anything. I gotta run a church
and be a crypt like Ice. Mike runs a church
and he's a crypt. Like you could do it. I

(01:41:47):
could be the dean of a cottage.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Yeah, I'm doing a room for Congress because I think
that's your ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
On the crypt ticket. That's the point of it. It's
up to us to read. And that's here's another element
for you. Do you one making people define what it
is they do. Stop letting niggas be crips around you
without them telling you a type of man. Because being
a crypt don't mean nothing. It means it means absolutely nothing.

(01:42:17):
You would not nothing. It don't mean you nothing nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
Make people.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
I think that's what we have to do. We have
to start making people define who they are because being
a crypt is like being black, It's just being a human.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
I grew up here and it is like with people missing,
like even with me. Everybody who I got put on
with literally my grandmother red like they mother know my grandmother,
They mother grew up with my mother. They like, I
ain't no new niggas in my circle.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
So it wasn't even like I went to you know,
I went to college and the college is like they
got fraternities.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
It's like which one do you want to be with?
The gang banger? It's like no, depending on where you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Grew up at things you already treated like that before
you even whatever for you even think you're gonna do something,
you're gonna get showed that you this okay real now
there is levels now. And I don't want to be
hypercritical of young people, but they do be on some
clown shit. So I'm sorry, young nigga. Y'all just bouncing
around from community community like I'm gonna be from over here.

(01:43:18):
You don't even know nobody over here, Like how do
you motivate yourself to risk your life for this?

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
That's why I'm telling you. It's a lot of selfish
and and traumatic internal issues that people are dealing with
and they're looking for the social currency of what gangs
are to fix it, and like you, this is where
you come in, Like that's not gonna fix that, it's
requirements if you don't quite understand it, and they worse.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
To them type of people.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
That's why I don't even put the onus on somebody
that's not from around the way, because I put the
onus on the homies. Stop finding these strays, Stop finding
any strays out in the streets. Shout out to every
game banger that listened to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Stop letting me strays.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
From these places come. Use up all your energy. Figure
out how to fix your energy. Figure out how to
do right by your friends. Figure out how to cause
you can't be hustling them. Ain't no dope dealing that
la no more. He ain't nobody to rib Ain't nothing happening.
So figure out how to use the social currency of
all the struggle that your friends went through everything, and

(01:44:24):
figure out how you could turn that into an opportunity
for everybody you grew up with. Somebody like Big U
doesn't get credit for that. Like people think Big You
was shaking people, and I'm like, oh, he isn't shaken
people is groupies. They saw boys in the hood, they
knew that was the Six Souls. They heard a nipsey,
So guess what, hey, man, I want to go where

(01:44:44):
those brothers is at. He would take those opportunities and
get people jobs and security. Go hey, big you know
I want to get a security Well, I got some
people for you. He getting this partner's jobs. If that's
not all our mind state in the middle of this,
we're doing it wrong. That's the truth. The truth is
being a crypt, being a Seventh Street Watch crypt means

(01:45:05):
I'm responsible for representing a bunch of people that I
grew up with and trying my best to make them
look good and help them protect them. That's just the truth.
And just like anything else you're protecting, right, you have
to have some level of control and what's happening. Hey man,
don't do that. You know it got people you knew
your whole life. Because I'm like, hey man, you shouldn't
do that. They gonna tell me, guys, I don't know

(01:45:26):
about going over there. Them niggas be tripping. That's the
responsibility of it all. So I would tell somebody that's
not from a gang, you don't want the responsibility. It's
not freedom. It's a burden. Wow, you know what I mean.
It's a responsibility that you now incorporate. Like I can't

(01:45:48):
like I represent people, so I gotta make sure I'm
on my shit every time. Because if I let, I
can't let no nigga just punch on me.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
But that's why I dropped your flaghity bullshit. And that's
why I say that shit. No, I'm gonna say it.
You ain't gotta bee with it. That shit is bullshit.
I got niggas die. I got niggas that died for
this ship. I got a nigga that doing fifty for
the life right now. I meet to this nigga every
other day. My man died when he was thirteen years

(01:46:19):
old in jail, like in Juvie. Got another man that
died at seventeen on island. What's your issue is because
if you if you were gonna do that, then you
should have never got into it first place. Like you said,
I don't give a fuck accountability. And we got to
call Sucket with the Tucket ship.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
He's not wrong, but no, he's not always.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
But he looks like I never wanted to get in
the game because I always know I could walk around
the streets.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
Just me sure.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
And what's funny is that's what Jane supposed to teach
people who don't know you could walk around. But okay,
I know what you're talking about, Like I would never
disrespect know what you talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
We know what you talking where I'm from, Like, how
will I feeling? How will my people look at me
if I turn around like, oh yeah, I'm not nigga,
look at you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
Well, I look at gang banging for real, like real,
not I want to join the gang? Sure, gang banging.
That's what he's saying. It's like me saying I'm not
a Mason no more because my uncle dis some bitch else,
or I can't handle being a Mason.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
No, I'm a Mason.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
I'm always gonna be a Mason. I'm Jonathan Mason. No, No,
you can't take that a crip that street in this period.
You can't you wash it off. You can't tell me
you ain't seventeen, if.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
You if you talking about if you from where you're from,
is from where you're from, Esma, I don't know if
to drop your flag listen, I don't know if it
represents the depth of that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
I think there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Of people forgiving me for using this time because it's
some old school shit, false flagging.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
If he could, if you applied to them by old
but the hell out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
I think that's the only person that could apply to
because the flag don't define people. That's for real. Like
I've been doing shows Westside, that is my little like man,
I've been fucking with every nigga period. That shit don't mean.
It don't mean and I hate to say it, it
don't mean nothing. But these people I'm responsible for, they

(01:48:16):
don't really have nothing to do with nobody else. These
people from one hundred and seventeenth Street Watch cript is
who I'm responsible for. And then I'm still a black man,
so I'm responsible for all these niggas too. So now
I've got to watch how I get into it with it.
That's the point of it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
So I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Challenge specifically is for people that are false flagging, like
they're using it for their own like it's for them,
it ain't for Like, I'm a benefit to my community.
I'm a benefit. I'm a representation. I will do anything.
Last year I threw our sneaker bar, got a venue,
Me and the homies did a bunch of Like they're

(01:48:53):
my friends and my family. It's my responsibility to them.
It's a personal responsibility. I don't think that means means
something to us. I think it means something specifically on
me to people that's out here that's really picked it
up for some shit that they didn't need it for.
And I know it sounds crazy because like where you

(01:49:13):
grew up at, that's where you're from. That ain't everybody.
A lot of people was campus hopping, you know what
I mean. They was like they was like, man, I
don't know, I'm gonna go try out the PJ watch
this week and okay, next week, I'm gonna go try
out the baby though, see what fit. And I think
that's who that's for. A lot of people use this

(01:49:35):
ship for personal gain, Like I didn't think nobody was
gonna buy my rep. I've heard people in LA and
this is this is why I can't argue with d
one all the time. It'd be really small thing like
come on, do you want damn? Do you know it's more?
But so many times like fuck, I can't say nothing
about that. It's people who join. I've heard people in
Los Angeles. This is a clip tell me you can't

(01:49:56):
make it in LA without being a gang banker.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Like with Dre is the biggest.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Motherfucker in the world, and there is a motherfucking no
the people are gang bangers exhibit is not a gang.
They all affiliated with community, but none of them are
a gang banging. But they are so convinced now that
they need to be from a gang to have a
level of street urban culture. They're like, Okay, this is
the niche one that everybody knows.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
Even ain't doing that ship created because.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Tyler is from a real street urban culture like the
skater culture. I don't really fun with him because he
bet this in God. I can't fuck with that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
I know you want to beat that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
I can't help help.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
That's real.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Yeah, I know I love I know I love homie,
but I don't like you this in God. So you
wanted to.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Get that right?

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
He beat this and gogle he ain't back in the
day used to be having an upside down Crosses and
all this. You're not fuck with Cardi or none of
all them. People like slap ship out like I'll beat
your ass, like Dell is wrong with you? Stop doing that.
We're black. We don't got no business doing that ship
with other black people on goddamn everything else. We don't

(01:51:03):
play with God and Mama. Don't dish your mama do
this God, don't keep that ship over there. So yep, yeah,
to drop your flag challenge. It's just like I get
why you would be opposed, but I can't because I
get what he's trying to do, and it's going to
be some people that really it was never for that

(01:51:24):
let it go flag.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
I crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
I couldn't tear your flag from out your head.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
That's be a joke.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
I won't even try to convince you because certain homies
like that ain't. I wouldn't try to convince Frank, I
wouldn't convince nobody. I'm not convincing nobody that I know
that this is their existence, Like this is who we are.
It's woven into our fabric. You don't and it don't
mean much. It don't mean you hate nobody. It means
you stuck with these assholes.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
And like it's the difference between being a part of
thumb and you walking around color banging. Don't that's just weird.
You wouldn't know, because like the only jewel y'all with
this is this is where I'm from. That's my representation.
You get what I'm saying when I speak, that's my
representation how I present myself more cold principle respect. When

(01:52:13):
I walk in the room be one. What's up with
good family? If you get what I'm saying, when you
come that your representation Because I know that when I
walk in the room, because of who I am, I'm
fat in the stage for the next man or who
I am to walk in the room behind me. So
if I come in this room acting like a dick,
being an asshole, the next nigga that come in that
from where I'm from, You're gonna look at them the

(01:52:35):
same way.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
And that's really where you get your pride from. You
really get your pride from how people logisted. Like the
first time I got in trouble, went to jail, and
how people treated me, I knew it was somewhere alone
the line. They respected my older homies because they didn't
know me, and they was like, you're from seven Street, Okay, yeah, okay, cool.
That means you met one of them older niggas and
somehow they conducted theyself in a masculine way enough to

(01:52:56):
where you like, okay, you respect it. But that's what
I try not to do. Like it's hard to walk
a line where you not like I'm not trying to paint.
I always tell johnas I'm not trying to paint a
positive picture. I'm just trying to give you the reality
of what's happening. But now we in such a space.
That's why I don't argue with you, because it's like
reality becomes to people like, oh, you know I could

(01:53:18):
be one. No, you cannot, my boy, I was this
way before that. I just didn't let this thing change.
Remember I'm from a gang. I ain't never smoked, drank nothing.
I did the things that I wanted to do. Nobody
forced me to do shit. Every last thing I ever did,
I learned why I needed to do it. If I

(01:53:38):
argue them, all me about me. I don't shoot at
the nigga. We supposed to be cool with the nigga.
I worry they gon shot at you. You see and
shout out to them older nigga because they right. But
as you mature, right, you understand it's about you doing
things your way. And I don't think to drop your
flag challenge is for people that is woving into their
inner fabric. I think it's for people. It's more people playing.

(01:54:00):
And forgive me to all you people that dropped in flag,
I'm not saying you was playing. Maybe you was at
a different point in your life all you needed something
and you just didn't know what you need. And this
was an easy because they make it so fucking easy.
Everybody can get in. You just come over and get
beat up. Now you're one of us. You get a
whole army. That's just the hustle you get all. I
still think niggas tripping. How the fuck you don't make

(01:54:21):
niggas pay, dude, You're supposed to pay for this one
thing every other group in the fucking world.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
Listen, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
I'll give you this about black folks. I agree with
you on this. It's way too cheap to be down
with us.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
You can't be in a mafia for free. And I'm
talking about from white to brown to red to yellow.

Speaker 4 (01:54:44):
If you y'all can't be.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
None of this ship for free.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Black people only want to be like come on, ma
ain't nobody else like you?

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Wait a minute, nigga? Who is this nigga?

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
That is the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Can't be in the bus outs for free.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
But you could be a crypt That's why the crypts
is a lot of chriss and bloods.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
It's free.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Yeah, and you don't do nothing but get credit and
social currency and people thank you, yeah, thank you, real nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
That niggas a pump, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
But he get to hide under being a crypt because
glasses walk one day and glasses childe or he might
be a crypt that he ain't that type of crip.
It's a different type of nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
So that's why I don't argue with you, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
That's why i'd be like the points, I'll be like, Okay,
this is crazy. But most of the time, if you
own some rapper as, I'll be like, as, explain yourself,
nigga if you certain, because I can explain myself if
the man questioned me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
So if you're a rapper, like like when you were in.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
A rose class, I'm like, explain yourself to niggas the
challenge my I hear niggas all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
That's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Oh no, this is why Rosee knew.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Rosete knew he took the l real quick when it
came to me and him, because uh, he quickly started
to deflect from all the points that I was made
and talking about. Well, even though I'm glorifying drug dealing
and killing them my music, I'm giving out turkeys in
my hood for the past twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
I'm like, oh, so you need no brother.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
So you're just saying you need no bro, and you
think that's fire. You know what I'm saying so real quick.
And then it just turned into him, you know, name
calling and all that. But rose he a sweetheart, man,
like he a good dude.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
I know he is.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Yeah, I'm sure, but but now I'm thinking about your
point at which place is it? Which mask is real?
And I've heard way more people accountable from around me
that I fucked with. I'm like, oh, if you show
somebody somebody else, I'm a back away from you because
I'm like, which one is the real?

Speaker 5 (01:56:42):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
Is the person?

Speaker 6 (01:56:42):
I know?

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
The person, not the name call because you know what
I mean, I don't want to name him. I'm just saying,
when you be on people, it's nothing to explain. If
you standing in righteousness, yeah, there you go. Nothing like
if you can't stand in righteousness, then maybe you know
you need the mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
And say it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Man, it's tough when I find it. Sometimes I'm clashing
with people who I love. You know, I grew up
on who didn't grow up. Some of Ross's music was
the soundtrack to your childhood or your adolescent years. You know,
I will say this about to Drop the Flag challenge
and all this, I think that there's a lot of
freedom with us being able to say, hey, I find

(01:57:22):
my identity in my relationship with my creator.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
You heard me nothing else.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Like everything else, there's been an ad on, you know,
since I got down here. It's an add on for
me to find. It's one thing to say, yeah, I'm
black because I came out this color. Cool, But I'm
not going to be a slave to my blackness to
the point where I got to be loyal to.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
This when it's going against stuff than in my spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
I know, God ain't cool with this, you know what
I'm saying, Like, that's when black the word culture, what's
the first full letters of culture?

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Cult?

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
Culture can be a cult, you know what I'm saying,
Gang culture, black culture, hip hop culture.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
So we gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
And I think that with to Drop the Flag Challenge,
it's something to where everyone who grew up on a
certain street, that doesn't mean that they will automatically a
gang member just because they grew up on that street.
They still made a decision at a certain point to
say that you go, I'm from the neighborhood, but I
want to formally get jumped in and be a partner
of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
So I think that people just saying like, oh, we
are defined by our reputations, and our reputations precede us.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
You know, his reputation made it. I don't think we
ever met.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Him person before today, but his reputation preceded him, and
I think mine did too, to where as soon as
I walk through that door, love, you know what I'm saying,
like instant love and you could feel it. That being said,
I think some of the people that are like, you
know what, I'm cool with dropping that flag because they
recognized that the reputation of that flag precedes them, and
that reputation that comes along with that flag might be

(01:58:53):
something that they sitting back at this stage of life saying, man,
that reputation of that flag don't fully.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
Represent where I'm at in my life right now, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
And some of them are like, I don't want to
be defined by something before you get to know who
I really.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Am as a man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
And that's why they're like, hey, that's not to say
I'm spitting on the flag and not to say that
I'm talking bad about anybody who maintain, but just saying, hey,
that right there, that's not where the core of my
manhood is rooted in.

Speaker 4 (01:59:23):
And I actually before you picked it up.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
Okay, watch it, watch this good point. Let me say something.
Let me say something. You believe in divorce.

Speaker 5 (01:59:32):
Depend you know, I'm God, you know what I'm going
depends you gotta goo.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
I got gool, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
So so if you believe in divorce, that that is
possible that people are allowed to get divorced, then they
were adults when they made that decision that we are
making these vows that are meant to last for the
rest of our lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
And guess what they grew upon.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
They went separate ways, and eventually they got to the
point where they said, wow, we once stood before God
and made these vows that we were going to stay
together for the rest of our life through sickness and
health till death.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
Door's part rich and poor, you know all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
But they were allowed to say, as adults, we are
mutually saying that we got we got side trade, but.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
I ain't know. You are the lion cheating broad. So
now I got the dip, but you know where the
blood is, you know what blood represent. You know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
You have.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
What I'm saying is you have a general perception, Liten,
you have a general perception and enough current, enough current
thing in this coach of to know with being a
part of that represent you don't make that decision.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
If you're going to do that, I agree put up
on that. If watching watch the phone of your left.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
I agree with him.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
But I understand what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (02:00:44):
And the reason I understand is it's not even so
much the choice. Like I said, choosing to do it
is one.

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
Thing following the trend.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
But that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (02:00:54):
Even when you say your flag doesn't define you, I
think what happens is people automatically, you see, people can
see you right now with everything positive, and don't know
you and see your dreads and see your hoodie and
have a back or have a straight misconception of who
you are just because they're ignorant.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
I don't like listening to him talking now.

Speaker 5 (02:01:18):
You can't get that because all you have to do
is get through a half of a conversation and you realize,
fuck him being a crypt that's a man with intelligent intellect.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Same thing with him, like, I know Crazy my dog
we talked.

Speaker 5 (02:01:32):
It's like, oh, yeah, Crazy's gonna talk about Cripple, but fuck,
were you talking about crypt? He talking about a bunch
of other things in between it that you need to
listen to.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
Craze always talks.

Speaker 5 (02:01:42):
About him writing books, literature, certain things like we be
so worried about being defined by the things on the outside.
People don't even take time to talk to you. So
it's like, yeah, if I grow up in that neighborhood,
like I'm from fifteen Park, it's not no gang, but
that's where I'm from. It's a bunch of other niggas
from the hood. That's my hood. Well, and it's never

(02:02:05):
gonna go away. Down the street is the Square. So
when niggas from where I'm from, they say where you
from from the Square? I'm really from fifteen Park, but
I'm gonna say the Square because that's what everybody know.
And it's not even about it's just I want you
to know that's my neighborhood. I'm proud of that. It's
not about banging, none of that. It's just I'm proud
of my neighborhood. And that's the same way after understanding
talking to him many times about the life. Oh that's

(02:02:26):
what gang It's not really because gang banging is a
specific thing, being a part of a gang member.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
That's that's different from game.

Speaker 4 (02:02:35):
Fact.

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
Gang banging means you're actively and in Like my best
friend Isy that niggas he's a gang member, but I
don't see we go outside and hang out.

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
What's funny is you you don't be in all the
bullshit and listen. Is to his point and to your point.
The difference is when your flag defines you, you shouldn't.
You should drop it, and we define our flag. People
gonna meet up us and be like, man them crip
niggas could be okay, they're gonna meet them and just

(02:03:05):
be like. They're going to feel like they need to
behave a certain way because they wear a flag. We
behave the way we are. So we define the flag.
So some people, and I think to drop the flag
challenges for people that the flag defines them. It's a
lot of people that found this street life when they
needed something and let's just not even nuances straight to

(02:03:25):
flitting them blood. Let's say selling dope. You might didn't
think there was no other way to make a living
at a time, you know what I mean. But you
grow and you start to realize more. Like some of
my homies like Plug don't sell water no more than
he drive a truck, trying to buy a truck. We
about to open up some franchise chicken spots right at Moon.
He started a motorcycle club, Shady Builds, Hardy's Tone.

Speaker 4 (02:03:48):
Has a handyman company out here.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
So that point I'm saying it. So we defined our flag.

Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
But I think, and this is to his point, to
the's points, a lot of people, the flag finds them,
and I think that's kind of they found it when
they were trying to figure out who they were. Like
none of us found Game Bang. We was like, man,
it's just the hommies and blah blah blah. Like these
my niggas we together, fuck it, we together all the way.

Speaker 5 (02:04:15):
I think that's also part of their culture, Like, well,
he from New York, I'm from New York, you're from Louisiana.
We see that and don't realize, No, that's just people
that live together and this is how they identify themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
So like where I'm from, we kind of got the
same ship as New Orleans got this slighting.

Speaker 5 (02:04:34):
Like I said, yeah, but you don't look at it
that way because they the media a long time ago
to this those were the people that redd in them.
Blacks that's in the red and that blue, and the
Spanish that's in that yellow. Those are terrible people, so
they gave us that connotation instead of realizing, like, no,

(02:04:55):
that's niggas that live together. That's how they identify themselves
from neighbor to the neighborhood, and that's the topography over there.
That's just what it is. If I come down in
New Orleans, baton ruge, I gotta fall under that topography.
However that shit is you come to Queens, it's different
from when you go to Brooklyn. It's different from when
you go to the Bronx. It's totally But it's like

(02:05:17):
we all got a commune. We all are poor. Most
of us are poor black or immigrant people, so we
have to find a way to like to gather because
we know we're stronger together organized.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
That's the whole point for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
But I agree with you in the sense I think
there's a lot of people who saw this stuff, bro
and they needed something, and today is a day that
they can let that thing.

Speaker 4 (02:05:47):
Go, are we good?

Speaker 1 (02:05:52):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (02:05:52):
You got it? I said, today's a day I said
to drop your flag? Was the public now ain't king
for them to let it go? That it's like somebody
freed them to me and crazy, like what for some people?

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
They needed that.

Speaker 3 (02:06:11):
Know they need that need it that day it was like, Okay,
I'm not gonna be looked at crazy. Today is the day.
So I think it's great. I think people should not
like I never felt.

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
Trapped, mm hmm. I've never evil trapped, king trapped.

Speaker 4 (02:06:30):
I felt trapped by that.

Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
I'm saying people felt trapped in game. Like people tell
me all the time, like you can leave a gang
any fucking day you want to, Like, you don't need
a fucking special announcement.

Speaker 4 (02:06:41):
Do what you gotta do that stupid like, oh they're
gonna kill you. Whenever you feel like it did, go
do something else.

Speaker 3 (02:06:51):
That's a nigga gonna look for you.

Speaker 4 (02:06:52):
You got the movies.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
But I appreciate what's homi name hookus forgiving that day
to people in this moment so some of these people
could find their way out of something that if they
felt trapped in. If you felt trapped in this shit.
I'm bro get out of this.

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
This is not that well.

Speaker 4 (02:07:13):
Y'all don't come to me because I had a couple
of people come to me with that shit.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
But I think he was saying the same thing about
hip hop and we're gonna rap it up with you.
He was saying with hip hop, people feel trapped by
the song they have to perform, so you better really
summon your real energy. That's the one thing that's always
worked out for me. I've always summoned my real energy.
I don't fuck what I was doing. I summon my
real energy and I'm like, Nigga, this is what I'm on.

(02:07:38):
So no matter what I say, there's not a time
in my life that I can't perform a song that
I don't have because I never said something because I
was in that moment, which I think is kind of
a detriment and a business built on emotion, I'm always
thinking about what am I gonna say? How am I
gonna say it? You know what I'm saying like it's
very rarely how am I feeling? Which is sucks. That's
what makes Tupac so great, and that's why I'm not

(02:08:00):
close to him. It's because It's like he would take
that one moment he'd be like, dear mama, and then
he would turn around and wonder why they call you bitch?
You know what I'm saying. So it's it's a tough out.
You know what I'm saying. It's a tough out. But again, man,
I'm gonna do out. Yo, thank you for listening, No soil,
I'm glad I had d one my boy crast John
jumped out. Feel me.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Half the time John was talking, he wasn't even on
the mic. You're dropping Jue. Heyking't picking him up though
he can't pick.

Speaker 2 (02:08:28):
Picked him up all right, because I was like like
here this.

Speaker 4 (02:08:33):
Every time he was talking, he was freaking up.

Speaker 3 (02:08:35):
No kid, A gig is an animal, bro.

Speaker 4 (02:08:37):
So he know.

Speaker 3 (02:08:38):
He was like, you ain't gonna move. No, he's gonna
be I'm gonna get that and turn that mic up,
my boy, Frank. So I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (02:08:44):
D Man.

Speaker 3 (02:08:44):
I know it was a long time come.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
We've been talking about, Yo.

Speaker 3 (02:08:48):
Continue supporting your ship. You know we can always bullshit around,
but everything you're pushing for is the right thing. So
fuck Nuance.

Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
Wow, brother, it means so much to me or to
hear you support me like this because.

Speaker 4 (02:09:04):
You got another local supporter on your side. Then nigga
talking to you crazy, a little bit too crazy, crazy
like so DoD.

Speaker 3 (02:09:13):
It's like so again.

Speaker 4 (02:09:14):
Thank you' all.

Speaker 3 (02:09:15):
Fortunity in Man much love was Let's seen y'all next week.

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:09:21):
Looking out for tuning into the No Sellers podcast. Please
do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, comment, and share. This
episode was recorded right here on the West coast of
the USA and produced by the Black Effect Podcast Network
and not Hard Radio.

Speaker 4 (02:09:35):
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