No Ceilings LIVE: Are Bundles Bad For Hip Hop, Social Media vs Hip Hop & The Future Of Mary Jane

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, can't call me out a day. He called it
over a day. He goes, y'all, he go, go trap
where you're from? Against trap? So from Queen's Man, he said, Oh,
well you know about Hall of them? See yeah, I see.
I mean get my head cut out. And that's what
I'm saying, like, yeah, you put some dude on the
phone me, dude one time, you know about this this
barber shopping Like nah, man, I don't know about one

(00:45):
barber shopping hallm dude. Everybody think New York is really small.
It is.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
In theory, it is a small area.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
But man, when I tell you, it's ship on top
of ship in New York, it's a dense population. It
is one of the most dense populations I've ever experienced
in my life, if not the most dense population.

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Speaker 2 (02:16):
We will get to stay started.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, okay, trap, So I'm gonna start this conversation really
right off the rip.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
So you were right, thank you, rank therey.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I still was right because I pretty much guessed something
had to be No, no, he was right.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
He was right.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Thanks, no question. I'm saying even then, I definitely underrated
sixty thousand people buying physical product to a website. You
know I'm right too, No no, no, no right, no, no,
he right. I under I'm telling you where I was wrong.

(02:59):
I was wrong because to do cy thousand no physical
copies physical well as a merch bundle even through uh
A website is a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know what it was though too. I didn't when
I said sixty. I was going on for just to
roll out the good music and like what they what
they were doing. I didn't put together that damn album cover. B.
The album covers a piece of art right there, B,
Like you know what I'm saying. So it don't really
surprise me they sold that many physical copies because when
them caused dolls come out, people go crazy for them.

(03:35):
Calls dogs. That's like a whole colt following with them things. Man.
And I wasn't playing too when I said the number.
Wasn't even thinking about that. That was crazy.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, hey can't you can't drap up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
I can't. I got it.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Make sure it don't belie it's not you as me
sure I got you righting low, So I ain't got it,
so it don't bleed into the setup.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, uneven.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I Now, I don't know if this is the Ovyangels,
but I've been watching people on Twitter's crazy that's what
they call. I don't know if it's the Oby Angels.
But it made me think. People the conversation became it's

(04:22):
bundles bad, and I've been noticing a lot of rhetoric
and it is from the Abyangel So at this point,
no matter anything, that's pretty much they feel.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Like it's against Drake. Then they're gonna talk shit.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
And I do think a lot of it is motivated
by you know, they man losing this, you know, losing
his mind at this point. But I listen still, you
know what I mean, because they are speaking and I
want to take into account, like I don't want to
always write everything off as hate or disdain.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
So when they were saying was Bundle's.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Bad, it made me think his bundles bad for hip hop?
And after thinking about it for like forty seconds, I
just thought to myself, how ridiculous that sounded. It didn't
I was trying to because I was trying, but it

(05:15):
was like, how could somebody getting their their you know,
the value for their money be bad? You know what
I'm saying, How can like when we grew up trapped
listening to to to the art, I mean to hip hop,
Like buying a CD wasn't just buying the music, It

(05:36):
was part of you know how we live. You remember, coach,
you will go once a week shout out to Squeezey
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Speaker 2 (05:55):
Hit the ball, Hit the ball, click b Yeah, go hit.

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buying a CD probably came right below buying food, Like
I remember, you would go once a week to buy music,
Like you know, it was like buying CDs. My music
was like more than buying clothes. Like you bought more
music than you bought clothes. I know that sounds crazy.

(06:44):
You didn't buy new clothes every week every two weeks.
You would buy music every week because it not only
was it's the only way to hear music, but it
was the culture at that time of how you consume music.

(07:04):
And now We're at a time where the product is
no longer the album. The product is Spotify. You buy
the product that is Spotify. How can I convince you
to buy ten songs for ten dollars when Spotify is
giving you ten million songs? But like you would have

(07:26):
to be like, like, I'd expect you to be more loyal.
Should I expect you to be more loyal to me
than to your own pockets, to your own life?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And obviously Travis Scott's name comes up all the time
because he has been He's one of the first people
to me that understood, you know what, the music, like,
my body of work doesn't have the value anymore as
just a product. Like he understood he was in the
streaming era and he was like, my body of work

(08:00):
doesn't It's not worth the ten dollars that a product
is worth. I need to really focus on delivering a
product that's worth people's money and then give them the
album with it. I just was telling Trap, I figured
this out probably two years ago, three years ago, you

(08:21):
know what I mean? Three years ago? Like, and today
I just really understand more and more why, you know
what I mean? It's like, how could I ask all
of these people that's sitting at the lunch tables right,
it's like, pay ten dollars for my ten songs. Don't
pay spot pay ten dollars for my ten songs. While
you're paying ten dollars for ten million for Spotify. They

(08:44):
already that ten dollars that they was given to me
to you know, or that we was given to Snoop
into Nas and to Wu Tang and to Biggie and
to Warren g and to DJ Quick. That ten dollars
that we was probably spending once a month, some of
us was spending once a week, and song was spending
once a month, now goes to Spotify for ten million songs.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I have to give you something.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
That's worth your money now in today's time period, Spotify
has already Spotify Apple YouTube music title. They have kicked
the legs from up under the table when it comes
to music. They have made it very very very very

(09:27):
you know. They they've they've made a deal where the
customer really gets their money value.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah. Yo, I thought about it one day, right, and
I set y'all, yo, they really this evil genius shit
within getting that streaming thing to take off like that
because I think that when it came down to it,
they was the ones that was probably behind the whole
nap stuff on the stealing of the music, you know
what I'm saying. They let it go on for a
couple of years. They said, hold on, we got a

(09:54):
solution for y'all. You're gonna put all this music together
and then we're gonna give it to them as a
streaming thing, you know what I'm saying, So we could stop.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Listener iTunes came and that was really the first beginning of.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The music.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Because remember that was a little moment in hip hop
where it was really profitable. Now you need to press
up an actual physical product, and you was getting ten dollars.
But it always starts. It always starts in efficiency, you know,
which is saving money.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Or helping you out and helping you out with it.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
You feel like that Best Buys was the first thing
that kicked the legs from up under the table because
best buy is where you could get CDs for ten
dollars at the time, he was fifteen to seventeen dollars,
you know what I mean. Best Buys came and was like,
now you could come here and get them for ten
dollars and it was a loss leaders for best buys.

(10:49):
They wasn't even making money. They just wanted you to
come into the door. This was a way to get
you to come into the door and maybe by a
CD player. Now you buy refrigerator to go with this
compact this, so they wasn't even worried about making money
from music. When we took music from music stores, there
were stores. Shout out to everybody at the lunch table,

(11:10):
that's really that's under the age of thirty five, bro.
There were stores that used to just sell music.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
F ye.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I know that's sound crazy to us coach and trap
because that's so normal. But right now kids don't know
that there were stores that used to just sell music.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
I remember when what was the store I used to
go to all the time. I only sold music.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
I remember when I found out it was closed. I
was devastated. VIP was for us. I was like, what
the wa wayman is closed? Like wait man, how I'm
gonna get my music?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Like what am I to do now? Like yeah, it
was crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
There were stores like right now you don't really see
it or they novelty. There were stores that used to
just sell music like people made a list liven just
selling music.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
If you see.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Stories right now that only sell music, like you said,
they're novel t. They definitely got vinyl in there.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's on the record record store. That's it. Record record Like.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
That's how far it's been, all of this value music
has now. There are not stores. They're not a plethora
of stores that used to just sell music that they like.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Like I remember there were a lot of stores that
used to sell music, Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Like Warehouse in the mall. Yes, like in the mall, Dude,
I used to go to Warehouse in the mall.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
They had headphones. You could listen to the music.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Man.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Man, that's that's nostalgia's finus right there. I forgot about
the headphones that you could wear it.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
You want to see if this thing?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah? Man? Yeah. In New York, we had a twenty
four hour music store that saw music. We had that
was in Times Square Virgin Music Store. It was it
was in Times Square Virgin Music Store right there was
open twenty four hours. Bro Or he used to sell
It was biggest. It was bigg as hell too. It
was a big ad store, Virgin Music Mega Store, that's
what it's called. Why that shit was crazy?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, think about how far we removed that, Like, how
far we are removed at this point? Bro, Like a
store that sells music is rare. That's very Like I
don't even know, Like right now, I don't know where
there's a store that sells music. I have to go
to Long Beach to this one small store, maybe that

(13:29):
place in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I've never been there.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Like, like, there were businesses that used to just make
a living selling music.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
They didn't even have to sell nothing else.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So when I look at the bundles to even have
to consider is it a bad thing?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's crazy, Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Like I told Trap, I told Trap, shout out to Trap,
shout out to Teeth, shout out to shout out to Lex.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I told them this was the best.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Time to be in the music industry. I told them
that about six months ago. I said, Man, this is
the best time to be in the music industry, as
crazy as it sound, And it's only gonna be this
narrow window, right because the clips can sell one hundred
and twenty thousand records independently.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
That is fucking scary.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Like, y'all don't realize every exec I've been talking to
different homies how impressive this is. Like everybody is like,
what the fuck? Like, you know, there's some you know,
they did some things to increase the look, But bro,
that is fucking incredible.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Think about it.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Like rock Nation functions right as a brand partner, rock
Nation can function as a distributor to take it, which
is I was just saying yesterday, that's a fucking joke.
Like a distributor, you know, thirty years ago, used to
be somebody that had to manufacture your CD, press it up,
deliver it to a truck, to put it on the truck,

(15:05):
deliver it to different stores. Blah blah blah blah. Now
distributor is somebody that actually does nothing. They even make
you type your own You have to type all the
meta data yourself into the setup and then they ford
the meta data the Apple and they charge you distributor.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Feet.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I have a question because you said you think it's
a small window. You think, why do you think that,
Why do you think it's only a small window for this?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, right now the window really is on it's on
high alert right now, Okay, right now, you know, shout
out to Draking them.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
They calling around everybody talk with shit.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Trust me, the business do not like these niggas did
one hundred and twenty thousand independently. You gotta think like
these brothers then probably just made four million dollars.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
What you think the window is?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Like?

Speaker 5 (15:52):
How long do you think we.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Gonna be long?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
What these artists got they already doing, well, they gonna
pay them. They're gonna pay them. They gonna pay them.
They won't even put their next record out in the Pendley.
They're gonna pay the clips.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
So you think next, next, next record coming on a
big label.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Well they gonna have to see it happen more than
once that the power has went back to the people.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
M Do you mean do you think that the Kendrick
Drake beef, what Kendrick did and that beef had anything
to do with us?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Very much?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay, yeah, we we We talked about it last week.
It definitely a lot of people feel like it split
hip hop.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
It didn't.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
It really kicked Drake out of hip hop, and now
his fans feel like they have to go too. Most
of them are very hip hop to some degree, but
for some reason they have put their complete identity into
one artist.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Which is weird, you know what I mean, because that
usually never happens.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
In hip hop, like like you like like Trapp loves
Nas not just from Queens like trappings from Queens, but
he also loves Biggie from Brooklyn. He also loves jay
Z from Brooklyn. He also loves Wu Tang from State.
Like his connection is to way more than just not
bigg okay different, but it's like he connects you know,

(17:13):
hip hop. When you and hip hop, you understand more
than one person represents your interests. But for them specifically,
they have completely and uniquely identified and just Drake, which
is really crazy when you think about it, Like, so,
do you.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Feel like this is the this is the time for
the backpack rappers to try to get ready and get
their shit together now and start Should the roots be
making an album right now?

Speaker 5 (17:40):
To little colleague that he be trying to I.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Think anybody in street urban culture, this is a moment
if you handle, if you do the business to go
with it right now.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
There is enough polarity.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Right there's going to be a group of people angry
because they feel outed and him. They feel like hip
hop kicked them out, so immediately, like right now, I'm
looking at the stuff going on with Tyler.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Immediately they're attacking Tyler. They're still attacking Tyler.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
That that they angels is a very big shop following.
So they're attacking Tyler now. But guess what that polarity,
that polarity is what you need. All you need is
a little bit of goodness, you know what I mean,
A little positive to go with that much negative, and
it would power your product all the way into the atmosphere.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
In a better place. Because of this, Yes, very.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
To come out of the apple right here. It's funny.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I was thinking, I was thinking that shit in my head.
I want to carass long does he.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Finds himself on the on hip hop side?

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yes, at the time for Slaughterhouse to do another.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Album long as on the side of hip hop, I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Joe Budden might want to do something now because he
been talking about you might be.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
His time right there.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Keep trying because you you to power something. You need
positive and negative you know, currents. So right now, because
of this, like I said, this huge population of fan base,
you know what I mean, they feel out it and
some of them people are very much hip hop, but
they feel like you know, again, it's it's it's very

(19:21):
unhip hop to.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Identify with just one person, one artist.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I wonder it's it's gonna affect the industry in the
opposite way though, for like some of the more commercial acts,
are they gonna sell less now?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Travis just did two, I don't. I don't think they're
gonna sell less. I think the main thing is gonna
just I think we'll be coming in towards a balance,
man coming into a balance. For Yeah, you've ben answer
for that though. You know what I'm saying. It's gonna
still be off awful a little bit, but it's gonna
be it's gonna be more of a balance than what

(19:57):
it was at one point.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
We want to say without the name that Travis Scott
has though, but you know, Travis is probably gonna be
fin It's gonna be some artist that's part of Drake Travis.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Tyler gonna do good this week who came out on Monday.
I think Tyler gonna do good this week with the
surprise drop. He just he just came out with the
album on today. I think he's gonna do good. I
think I think, yeah, I'm saying I think that we
were saying back, wondering, like, Yo, what's hip hop gonna
be at after this bad one and all that? And
I think it took it took a second. It took

(20:27):
a second, you know what I'm saying. But I think
it's gonna be so it's gonna get back to where
it needs to be at. And like I said, I
think I think what Kendrick Gunn brought into it bought,
you know what I'm saying, our first attempt of getting
some balance within hip hop. Though, you know what I mean.
I said, signing somebody, I said to them to have
a day in the room, right, I said, I said, Joe, y'all,
don't y'all don't find it with that the person with

(20:49):
the most number one I think I mentioned this the
other day to the person with the most number one,
like not trot top ten hits, that's eighty seven, and
then the next person next to them, the person that's
in second, got twenty seven. Like that's crazy, bro, that's
crazy when you look at that like that, that's not
balance right there, big.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
But I don't I don't know if it's a I
wouldn't say it's not balance. That's like you're saying, it
is very Again, this is one of the best times
to be in the business, you know what I mean?
It could be Look, you're gonna deal with a surplus
of artists, but if you can, you know, lift yourself

(21:32):
above the fray man like the things you could do
right now because of where media is at, where you know,
access to music is at, where access to purchase is at.
Right now, we're in a really free purchasing place. The
fact that sixty thousand people could go to just a

(21:53):
website and purchase something because people feel confident about spending
their money is big. It's big, Like it's big, bro,
Like you could open up they opened up a site
and had people go to the site, sixty thousand orders to.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
A site that's not Amazon Direct the consumer.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
But I'm saying the problem was there was a moment
where people was working about doing that. But again, like
it's possible to even be able to accept sixty thousand
orders physically over thirty days is incredible.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I think that we were seeing that done, but it
was like being done and such a background. Gazelder was
doing that though bre Gizelder, Gazelder was doing that. I'm
not saying that, but no, no, I'm not saying. I'm
just saying that the director consuming they was doing like
they was giving them the shirts, the hats to go
with the have that.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's been a concept, but to do it on a
mass scale separates us from InterScript.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
He's one thing to do ten thousand units and a
shout out to uh, shout out to what's homie.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
He just dropped his joint. Oh, Benny and he just
dropped the joint. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard Summer twenty five. Yeah,
she got his new favorite rapper. You got his new
favorite rapper right down. I like you a fan, you're
not a fan. I like what I've heard. The first
time I heard it, I got to get through some
dgking that no no, no, not being in somebody else.

(23:35):
His style was. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
But the fact that a site can handle.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Sixty thousand orders, like, I don't think people understand the
business because I think it feels so natural that you
just type in order head and it's order and it's easy. Nigga,
It is a nigga. They crash ticket Master. Ticket Masters
been doing his business for a while, so to do
sixty thousand units.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's crazy. Sixty thousand orders is crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Like I was just telling Don like, if one ten
did sixty thousand physical orders and and you know, for
an album before you ship, it'd be the greatest and
worst day of our life.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Why worst and send it out?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Like even if you had to go, Like, I don't
think we understand logistics of what's happened. You know, if
it all feels so easy they go sixty thousand, they
just get up in here and or just have this company.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Nigga, that's Nike.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
You get what I'm saying, Coach, this is what separate
us from Rebok, right Like they did Rebok numbers, they
did Adida's numbers, they did Innerscope numbers.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Do you think Clips were surprised by how good they
did or they think they was like expecting it.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I think Push expected it. I think malice is somewhere like,
holy shit.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
We did that, We just did that.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I think Push it was prepping for this moment. He
paid dues. You know, he started off for real, that
was making records. He moved to Kanye. Saw Kanye kind
of built this empire, like he saw Push built this empire.
He was always regarded at some level of marketing, you know,
genius to some degree, which is why he was He
had an executive job at Good Music at a time.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
He knows something, but he probably saw this the same
way I see it, because Kanye sees it the same
way I see it. Right where there is like there's
this window where now we could go right to people
like I know how to get in front of people,
like I figured out some really great things, but I'm

(25:47):
trying to get with. One of the biggest setbacks to
me is getting with a company that can handle a
mass amount of orders. So like, if I drum up
all this crazy interest in the product and then I
make a product, I need somebody that makes that product
and pair's the CD and ships it, because I know
it's no way possible. Shit, I'm behind on orders right

(26:09):
now myself, and I don't got sixty thousand, So I
know I need Dickies or Ben Davis or somebody who's
used to shipping major shit to help, you know what
I mean. So you gotta make that deal with a
brand that can really carry that type of load.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
If you create that type of.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Commotion and have people, you know, come support the product,
believing in your vision. They the clips did sixty thousand streams,
which is roughly nine million streams. You know what I mean,
it's nine million or is it ninety million? It might

(26:49):
be ninety million. Let me see eighteen hundred sixty ninety
million streams in America ninety million streams. It bout ninety hundred.

(27:15):
Roughly they had to reach ten million people with this campaign.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
It seems like you understand how dope or how big
what the Cliffs did. Do you feel like that rest
of the industry understands this to the.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Industry, Yeah, yeah, I don't think the lunch table quite
gets it. I don't think Trap quite gets it neither.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I definitely get it. I definitely I don't get it.
I definitely get it. The Trap really got You didn't
get it. You didn't get it. I knew what I
was saying, because I knew what I was saying, well,
I knew what I.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Was something that was going.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Well, how could you gadget to anything you never saw
if you never saw anything.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Like listen, when I seen when I seen the marketing play,
when I've seen the rollout of what they was doing,
then I'm putying. I'm playing everything together. I'm playing They
they line in LV and major. They think they lot
of LV up with the joint. They lined everything up
with it. They staying in our face. We keep seeing them.
They're creating storyline, you know what I'm saying, after storyline

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after storyline.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Seeing trap an independent company through one hundred and twenty
thousand throughout the history of music.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
See that was See that was the thing that like
you kept reminding me, You kept reminding me that it
was an independent company. I'm looking after. I'm looking at
this being the clips, like the Clips, a group that
is not coming from the Money's group that's been didn't
come out for sixteen years, have went independent.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
This is like I don't think. Look, I can't stress
how big this is.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
What was the last What was the last like major? Independent?
You know what I'm saying, Like like that did good
like this in the first week. When was the last
one I've ever saw anything like this?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Hey, y'all remember when came out My boy from New York.
Remember the dude who ended up getting that little situation
in the club, Trey?

Speaker 5 (29:15):
How did he do he was in?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Now he do like this? Ain't doing like this, you mom,
when the New York album came out, he't doing nothing
like this. He did it. He did decent though he
did decent. He was doing like he's so caught. He
was doing like real independent. He wasn't. He wasn't even
with a distribution company or nothing like that. He was okay, No,
he had good singles and stuff like that. But I

(29:37):
don't think he did not like this. I'm trying to look.
Let me look up. I want to look up and
see what was what was the last.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Even chances situation? Shout out to the you know, I
think it was Chance had to deal with Apple.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Apple. That's why I wasn't gonna say Chance it was
with Apple. You know, I think it might be it
might be old Boy will be will beat Kendrick for
the for the Grammy back for more.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And that wasn't quite independent though now it's more to it,
like I know how to deal structure, like this is
the thing with the clips, the clips Rock Nation is
there is a special thing but without having a major
backing or okay, like it's like if you do a

(30:21):
deal with Netflix and then you call your situation an
independent film that got promoted and marketed by Netflix. Does
that make sense? Like if you talk a trap, we
can't hear you. Oh you get what I'm saying, Like
a coach. It's like, imagine you doing a film with

(30:42):
Netflix and now it's not going through no major Hollywood
studio or you shot it yourself. Like so there's like,
let's explain the independence of it. Independence is like you
you fund your own film, right, You fund your own
film and then Netflix takes your film. Now, they don't
take your film and give you twenty million dollars for

(31:03):
it to where they have to market it. They take
your film and say we're gonna try it like they did.
What's that TV show? The one that's in Korea? Oh,
squat Game? So you shoot it and then Netflix takes
it on They like, well, we'll see. But they don't
give it major exposure. They don't give it major marketing.
They just put it out there and people see it

(31:25):
and they start watching it and now like it's pushing
through the algorithm and doing things on its own.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
It's different like what the clips did? Clips it with
rock Nation.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
People don't realize Rock Nation is still an independent company
unless it's partner with a major company like Rock Nation
launch its own distribution right equity, which I think their
product was distributed through equity.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I could be wrong, but I it is right.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
So it's really a situation where there probably is a
management and a branding thing right where they do it
together and then it's distributed through rock Nation. So there
is no major entity, you know what I mean funding
this shit. It's just years and years of relationship. So
to watch an independent person do one hundred and twenty thousand,

(32:14):
that's why I'm telling trap. Like, don't get me wrong,
we all saw the same marketing Like but remember little
Wayne sold one hundred and three thousand. That's what Universal So.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
It's say yeah, it's say yeah that the other two
they mentioned that was like that though, is it is
frank osin bond and that that was with Apple. That
was with Apple too, and chances of Apple and.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Those with Apple completely different, being like a new like
Apple white while Universal Death Jam or excuse me, Universal
Warner and Sony blah blah blah whatever whatever the three is.
I ain't doing all that thinking Apple is a major today. Yeah,
So if you do a deal with Apple and Apple

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starts to market your product. That's a major deal in
music today. It's not the traditional major, but it's a
major deal in music today. They have you know, they're
a huge way to discover is sell records. You know,
people excuse me, people discover records on Apple all the time.
Shout out to Don DV Travis did one sixty with

(33:20):
a major. Travis don't got to figure out nothing else
that's happening. Travis don't got to figure nothing else about
how they see these ship, how this merch bundleshit. You
don't have to deal with none of that. The difference
is push and malice. They have to figure out how
this is going to happen. They have to figure out

(33:41):
every aspect of how the rest of this shit is
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
That's independent. It's say Clips did one eighteen and the
most recent major independent success.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's I never and this what I'm trying to tell you,
trap like this shit don't happen.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Even though I was telling ut and and you teeth
and in lex like you know, I was telling y'all,
this is the best time to be in the business,
you know what I mean. But that really proves the
best time to be in the business. Shout out to BVG.
Are you looking in this chat at all? Yeah, I'm
looking at this chat. What I miss?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Let me Okay, okay, okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Thank you for the five dollars perodies. Back in hip
hop bro growing up, I could listen to Arrested Development
and the Chronic in the same day.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I think we are getting back to that. We never
left that though. Tell you balance is back, man, but we.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
We always have balance. You always have balance. I didn't
see what you said super chatter to us, BV super
chatted to us. We always did.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Dog, don't say that. When did we not have balance?
I'm talking about mainstream. I'm talking about balance in the mainstream.
And yes, it's been music that came out from all
different types of sounds and John was like like different
type of but as far as when it came to
the main stream, no, we wasn't having down. What was
in the mainstream that wasn't balanced.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
A lot of stuff to me, the last to me,
the last fifteen years been watered down with corner ball
shipp in the mainstream.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
So I don't know what the fuck you talking about.
Well then that but we than that's not balanced and
it wasn't no real ship and cornballship at one point
it was cornballs real ship like that.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You just said it was corner ball ship growing up.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
That's since it was what was If you try to
say the Daysier's corner in this live yeah, well did
you start right there? Big Tall. I wish I was
a girl running hat withd that ship was Cory. Yes,
that ship was calling it. It was a was a

(35:50):
it was a jingle.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I wish I had a girl that looked good I
would call it. But what I'm saying rabbit and the
hat in the back of a six point Like know.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
What I'm saying, I'm not saying what I'm saying corny
was is what I mean, Like it's palatable. It's palatable
enough to to for everybody to be able to listen
to it. You know what I'm saying, Like Little Troy
is corny. All there is corny. I don't know, Baller
not corny. Pull of that ship? Why the baller?

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Like yeah, trap.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
With the hunky Dash corny. That's not mean. It's not
really like what I'm saying corny. I don't mean like
like like what I mean is like it wasn't like
it wasn't street. You know what I'm saying like that,
that's what I mean like that, that's what I mean
street that wasn't straight No, no, no, no, around had
some street ship they got you know, wasn't wasn't street.

(36:51):
You don't seem like a regular nigga that grew up
in the in the hood and ship that was cool
and he just wished he had it a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
He just wasn't having it.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
No. No, I was like, like Will Smith wasn't for
like the streets like that, but it was it felt
like a pair what like a parody. What's what's up? What?
I had a girl with her that I like this ship?

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Like okay said I was, I like, do the Diddy
paper to see if I want to, Hey, that's what
I want Domino Corny to hell.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
No, I'm just saying it was just like I won't
say corny. That's what I'm saying. You got a change
to work from Corny. You gotta put it more so
it's like it was. It was in the main, it
was just some ship that that was that.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
That's why I get mad when people are like when
they like regular niggas didn't have a say I'm like
regular niggas.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Always had to say, like a mob back in the
days when I was young. He ne more, But some days,
I said, and wish I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
We always had regular niggas that grew up where we
grew up at kicking dope ass raps.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
What about Hammer?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Though Hammer was eccentric, over the top, Hammer was Hammer
continued a rich history of black show business that wasn't
in hip hop? What's funny?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Is it? Hit me? The other day?

Speaker 1 (38:19):
And I told Trap this Hammer was our answer to
MC hammer. I mean Hammer was our answer to heavy D.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
No, no, no, no, no, yes, yeah, no, no, no,
not at all. None of the boys rap, not matter
the boys the background answer, but heavy what are you
talking about? He wait?

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Trap was what's heavy D? What's heavy D? So you
saying heavy D was better than him?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Every deal with the ladies man B. Him was no
ladies man, B. What you mean? Him was just a dancer,
a dance that rap. Every D was a ladies man B.
What you mean overweight love? Heavy D? Are you crazy?
You know what I'm saying? You can't hammer?

Speaker 5 (39:04):
If you call yourself the way lever heavy, that means
you the ladies man.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
If you call you, he was the ladies man. He
was the ladies man him. It was a dancer that
was rapping.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Hammer was a hammer and heavy D are all the
same elk of black entertainment.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
No, yeah, yo, heavy you know what I'm saying. Hammer
was God Damn James Brown and hip hop. Yes, all right,
so that ain't trying to hip hop.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Might be pushing it.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, that's what That's what he did. He might be
pushing it. That's what he was trying to be. But yeah,
he was cancer. I got said he was dancing. He
was just dancing so heavy D. No, but heavy D.
Whole thing wasn't dancing heavy whole thing.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
If you say that, hold on, nigga, heavy D.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
He had a group of niggas that just dance. You
can't listen trap trap, you know what I'm saying. In
the rock, Kim, I was listening to heavy D. So
you ain't gonna get this off. He was over there
listen to No no, no, no, no, no, hold on,
you can't take this.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
You can't do this while you was over there swearing
by rock him Nigga, I love heavy and my favorite
thing about it.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
No, No, I call my pops right now on the phone,
and he will tell you. He will tell you right now, Bro,
Heavy D is trash.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
No, he got trash.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
You know you want to get in the toys b
I G boys for every D. That's facts right there now.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
You got me mad at that.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Heavy D.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Shout out to Natasha, thank you for the check fifty dollars.
We appreciate that and check money. I'm so in love
with the clips. Let God sort them out. It's beautiful.
I'm so happy they are back in. There are storytelling,
high quality lyrics. Oh yes they are. They are fucking awesome.
Ship that that that Listen next time I see Push
I got the bowl to him. This this is like

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god level.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
He's a scended. I watched how have made a bet?
On list right there because you talking me off?

Speaker 5 (41:19):
Thought you didn't make a bet.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
No, we didn't got we didn't make a bet, no bet.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
But what I'm saying is what I'm saying is what
I'm saying is yes, Hammer was our answer to Heavy D.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Bro, even though danced real quick. Everybody dance bad thing, yo,
yo can't play dance big that he can't dance. Heavy't
dance in every video as he did in every video
only when he had dancing what what what? What's his name?
Was everything.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Every video Hammer and Heavy D dance.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Heavy D did dance a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
He had a group of the nigga was none of
the other niggas.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Ring he trapped.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Even though Heavy D and the Boys was a crazy name, like,
I don't he probably have not done that.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Fired, that was boys, that's my boys.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
And the boys.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Now you couldn't come out with that. But what I'm
saying that niggas my boys, nigga and we all fucked
up and the nigga.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Maybe I was different back in the day, but when
I seeing them boys come out dancing behind them, I
was like, I don't like it.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
That's what I like. Even though Heavy D was fired,
to me, I thought Heavy was he was like, no,
we ain't got yeah that.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
That nigga was that. That's how we talked about Himmer
know you did it. That's what did know you it
was not talking about that was not talking too legit.
You can pay it too legit until we got our
own thing.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
B that was way later. I'm compared.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
You can't test the thing whatever though, how you just like,
why was it that you legit was fun. Nigga was
what was all right?

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Ben Hey, heavy D wasn't catching you know what Heavy
D wasn't catching.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Shout out to Roughiel TV.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
The whole Uptown was corny, truthfully, Okay, Uptown, I get
why I said that.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
No, yeah, I get why. Hold up, I got you,
I got you rough shut out to rough Hea, Sodawn trapping.
Let me explain something to you.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Andre Horal understood black show business. He grew up looking
up to the era of the seventies and the eighties.
Right when black musicianship had to put on a show,
they would have costumes, they would make it entertaining. So
when Andre Herrel started rapping right they was a part.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Of the group.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
They were more of an extension of the history of
black music. It wasn't quite everything street. Still, they might
have been guys that came up in said community, but
they were still taking on the lineage of black entertainment
at the highest level, black show business. So when he built,
you know, and this is something I've never had to verify,

(44:06):
but only because I know I met Andre twice.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Don't do rest is So.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
When they built Uptown, they built it in the imagery
of Motown, Uptown. They built it in the energy of Motown.
So the way you look at it, if you're looking
at it like you're looking at run DMC, you're looking
at it wrong. Look at it like a modern take
on the Temptations. Look at it like a modern take

(44:34):
on Smokey Robinson and the Miracles. Look at it as
modern takes of that. And then now look at bad Boy, right,
because Puff came from Uptown. Now look at how he
was dressing Biggie. Now look at how he was dressing Mace.
They are extensions of black show business, a motown Stax

(44:54):
records out of Memphis, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Look at that.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
So so I think sometimes we get trapped in having
these revisionist ideas. All these are hindsight like we kind
of look back on stuff and be like, oh man,
it was whacked it was.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
That was whacked.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
That was but in the time that it wasn't uptown
heavy d uh even hammer Man, none that.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Sh it was was trashed. Back in the day we
all liked all that ship. I think now you be
looking at it back, oh man, it was whacked, that
was trash. But when it was happening that she was
not trashed.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I love, I love everywhere. I've never got corny from
heavy D.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I fuck with Hammer too, like I'm gonna be never,
but I never got corny from Hammer and real stop doing.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
That look trapped, stop doing that.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Type of ship. And my mama wasn't buying from me
that had that hot top. Fail to figure that's what
I all. That that's gonna play was less corny than
Hammer day from New York. So that Hammer was walking
down like wasn't like walking around like a Hammer. But
don't come.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Nobody was walking aroun like Jack Man. Hi, I'm telling
you that show business.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
It was some niggas in my school had some hammer
pants on. It was crazy though there's a couple of
niggas who has some hammer pants. We used to have
high school, I mean middle school dances and then be
niggas in there with straight hammer pants on.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
You'd be like, what the is that?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Niggas?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I loved Hammer, so I'm not gonna argue this. I
understood exactly what Hammer was. Hammer was a nigga that
wrapped like Run because Hammer was run DMC's age. It's
see trappis niggas like you that may Hammer come out
That's why it was starting pumps and the bump come out,
Nigga came.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
That's how you knew he was grown. That's how you
knew Harmier was grown. He was way too confident for
hip hop.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
That's it was crazy, crazy man.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
But remember but again remember Hammer was grown.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah. How long was he only came out? Remember? Yep? Yeah, yeah,
Hammer was grown on the yea.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
It was kind of Yeah, he was old when he
came out within the military and everything already.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hammer was like Hammer and Run is the same age.
I think Hammer's in his sixties. BROI matters breakout in
what eighty eight?

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah, I'll tell you this, man, you be hearing they
about Hammer, you better not play with.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Him him a game. Yeah, that was that was gonna gangster,
that's a fact.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
But I think that was our answer to somebody said
play No, it was our Hammer to Heavy D.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
It was our answer. It's not it was crazy why
because Hammer was cheesy mac big you know what I'm saying,
And my man and my man Heavy D was baked
macaroni and cheese. No, it wasn't know what I'm saying.
So it's just a totally difference. B that kind of
the perception of it. No, they both danced. Everybody danced back.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Every thing was built on them dancing and rapping everybody, bro, No,
everybody could dance. Everybody didn't dance in every video Run
DMC didn't dance Run and.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Dan ed didn't dance. I just run down the list.
There was a group of hip hop that was continued
just listen. Trap.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
There was a group of people trapped, continuing on black
entertainment of being able to dance while they're making music, right,
And it wasn't everybody. There were some people and then
there were some hip hop acts Trap that dance as
much as they rapped. Heavy D n NC Hammer both
fall into that.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Y Yo, God, bless Heavy D. Right now, you're comparing
Heavy D MC him is ridiculous. B. That man is
rolling around, rolling over in his grave right now. Yes
he is, Yes, he is overweight, level lighting his feet
is rolling over in his grave right now. Comparing him
to some goddamn him and MC get the hell out

(48:54):
of here, man.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
That's that's a compliment.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
That B. That man sold seventeen million records and then
came back on the next rec next album and sold
three million. B That man was a gimmick. So it
was a gimmick. Every dy wasn't no gimmick. B wasn't
no moment, no moment of time, every last record, every detail.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I don't know he probably, but you know how biased
and how ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Oh he was a gimmick. Bro. Come on, bro, we're
not gonna do that. Correct. Give me every d wasn't
give me everything stayed there. But ain't nobody playing none
of that mcm shipping.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Now, somebody need to go finding the boys and ask
him the heavy dead the boys he.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Died, Remember the dude died. He fucked thest name.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
During that they were telling me, you have hate your
heart for the coast. I don't know, you don't have
any idea what's happening? Like, you don't even know how
you sound right now?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I sound like facts.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Mc hammer corny is crazy, all right? Facts, that's up?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
When the last time twenty.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
Million records and two with two albums and one so seventeen,
But I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Lord's fourteen million fans in one album. Okay.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
All I'm asking is, is this dumbest what's the highest
time your hold on?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Michael Jackson sold thirty million Albus turn around to sow six.
Did he lose twenty four million? Don't be fucking silly,
grow up.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
He didn't lose it.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Abody said, of thirty million albums over top of thirty million,
albus on top of thirty million happened?

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Three million was over. That's what happened, and gimmick was done.
Why the kenvit? He never sold three million records. Listen
but listen with music still right now. You don't want
to snip damn much right now. Nobody that spip damn
mc him music right now. Be Oh, she's ridiculous. Listen,
you can't touch Listen, don't hurt him, and listen. Let

(51:01):
that ship said, with no burden to whip. Listen, listen
to listen to though he got everything, what's up with him?
Got some choice to listen to? Right now?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
He has three hundred and twenty seven thousand monthly listeners.
Haimmer has three point five million.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Bro, it's a gimmick, Bro, when the last that's a
great gimmick. That's a gimmick man. That's a great gimmick man.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
He did that.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
He givemicked the fuck out of that ship.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Bro. You the one ones to compare every day in MCM.
I won't even did this right now. It came on
the same year, but that's cool. But there it's no
comparison through before.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
It's not because you're from fucking New York.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Who came out first though out of heavy at MCM.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Probably probably every dude by every dude, money murker, honey making,
honey making Mount Vernon. You know what I'm saying, money earning,
money making money pos my posts from there, it's money
earning Mount Vernon, Mount worrying, Okay, cool, money earning Mount Vernon.
I ain't from there, but listen, know you, I ain't

(52:07):
got no I ain't got no problem with the West Coast.
What I got a problem with for niggas to put
this nigga on a pedestal like yo, bro, let me
ask you a question, right, if you are naming best
and best rappers of all time, we're not putting no

(52:29):
numbers in it and nothing. It's going on for influence,
going on, for catalog, influence, MC skills all that ship that.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Are you putting mc hamm in the top fifty of
all time? I'm not putting either God the top fifty
heavy d in there. I'm not why would you put
heavy D in there? You would even put Heavy D
in the top five New York rappers that came out name?
All right, bro, I've never in my life, I do
tobody time about who in the name heavy D?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
In mentioned heavy all the time? You never mentioned heavy.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
I mentioned Heavy D in the top name the top
five New York rappers that came out in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
You know the top five is No, I don't. I'm
asking you to tell it. Might he might fall in
there because it gotta be you gotta. I'm here and there.
It's gonna be number one. It's gonna be L. It's
gonna be L. It's gonna be big Daddy. Came rat
groups count two, Act count two. I mean the top
five standing there into one, D M C L L

(53:34):
Big Daddy came Rack Cam. Okay, well no, no, no, no, no,
you might you might put you might put every day
up and then into it you can put put it.
I got he could put him over g Rap and
you put him over Chris Success, And like I feel like,

(53:56):
oh no, you said no fucking numbers. No no, no, no,
no no, I'm saying I'm saying people with checking for
it like people with number you don't know put them
other Chris was. I mean, listen, manche for everything and
it is bro you're talking about. Look, if youre talking
about this up something on some hipp in the ages, listen,

(54:19):
talk about some hip hop and rappers. And I'm not
putting mother, Chris. But if you're talking about entertainer going
to the shows, bodying the shows and ship like that,
be every day was every day was a drug, be
like people was going to see every d You don't
have to convince this. We know he was. You tell
me that's why we're getting comparable. But what I'm telling
you is this though right MC him my music that

(54:43):
we're staying the testing Mark.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Here's Mark or Hem in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
If you're going up, you're going into the listen. If
you're going up for King or Heavy. I already said,
I already said. I said, if you're going up and
hit records.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
You know what I'm saying, No, because you said we're
not going off with your record.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'm not talking about the sales of the record. Talking
about niggas, niggas consuming and niggas listening to this. That's
what sales are. People the party. What's playing the parties?
What's playing the parties? She was playing the parties?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
About the drap levels? Please don't disrespect my cousin on
here he'd folk. He made his markt hip hop. He
may have been the most lyrical cat, but he made
his mark.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
That's what we talking to. Trap.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
No, he's saying his cousin is who's your cousin? God
damn saying pay Do you think Heavy D don't got
no cousins?

Speaker 2 (55:32):
I mean, I bet you, I bet you're talking about
who else?

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Heavy k wait?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Thank you for the five dollars.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Mc hammer was on Michael Jackson level for two summers
and Kirk Franklin told his whole entire style Heavy D
is a different read They're different, That's what I'm saying.
For the five dollars, trap Hammer had every endorsement in
the world to protect, just comics and a number movie
stop right.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
He was the first. He was the first one to
hear the coaching over to the corporations. You're right, that
boy did that. You got it?

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Hey, Trap, You don't think call yourself the overweight lover
heavy that's a gimmick.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
But I understand. But look, I can't hold it against you.
Grap lover said, Heavy D is my cousin. All right,
there we go, there we go, have mad respect for
Himmer facts.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I told you, Okay, that's yeah. I'm not saying the
respect apologized you said was the mc hammer was the
Heavy D of your coast. No, that's not a fact
if I'm telling you, because Bro, it's not a fact. Bro,

(56:44):
it's not a fact at all. We're telling you because
he's danced, Heavy D was it's a dancer, brow. It
wasn't just a dancer that world for you.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Whenever I see Heavy D come up on my screen,
I used to come over to see the heavy Dude dance.
To be honest with you, me all my family, I
promise you, all my family in the house and be like,
hey man, hey, it's crazy how he how this big
dude can move like this.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
That was the same what we was the boys was dancer.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
He didn't come in there to hear Heavy D rap.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
I mean, I'm not saying a terrible rapper, but I
wasn't like, oh, Heavy D's the most lyrical do the
ball toime. I just thought he man, he made good songs.
Number one, every D made really good songs and in
his dance and stuff. I was like, man, that big
dude can move like boy was wrong with that? But
MC hammer though, when Ammer came on, he had made
some good songs and MC American dance his ass off.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
It was kind of like the same thing. When I
looked at both, like, really, get down, you're wrong correct.
I would rather you ask because everybody you're gonna say that, Bro,
you gotta say, you gotta say came in too, can't
dance too? Everybody dance danced over here? Everybody did. Everybody danced, peer,

(57:57):
everybody danced over here. That's not what we saying. Dog,
Why you keep saying that your showed me the video
with Chris dance. You're competing had a video come out.
Showed me the video where Rock video dancing. Who showed
me the video where Rock Kim dance. I brought.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Everybody danced over here, everybody dance period.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Trap, Bro, You comparing him to him is crazy. That's
when when I got introduced to Rock Kim. It wasn't
like with Heavy D. When I heard about Kim, I
heard about his lyrics first, like he could rap, He's this.
When I listened to like that they could really rap.
I never listened to MC hammer or Heavy D like,
oh man, they could really rap. I looked at them
as inner. I thought they were very entertaining. I was like,

(58:39):
oh man, they both entertaining. They both dance good. Heavy
D is a big dude who dance. You know, I'm
just saying they they are in the same.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
He's heavy D.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
They are.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I don't like that name, but heavy could even been
that a fat Derek between one of you know what
I'm saying, either one wouldn't that be No, ain't no gimmick,
bug gimmick, no gimming ship by heavy so big, so notorious,
big as a gimmick. Two, that's why you named yourself

(59:13):
Biggie Small. Name is a Biggie Small after the movie
character big and he's big.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
I never even thought about this.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
But even if you put heavy, if you take the
boys and put it with the Hammer and Heavy D,
they both Hammer and the boys Heavy D and the
boys they both got. They even both got the pause
like you the boys about it. Boys, they damn near

(59:43):
the same.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Like listen, all I'm saying, Trapp is I understand how
y'all looked at Hammer y'all obviously hated him.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
No, we didn't hate Hammer obviously, like.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Women trying to tell you is I'm giving you something.
The way we saw him as kids, we saw them
exactly the same.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Heavy D couldn't have a cartoon. It's crazy D for
sugar and a car. He didn't have a cartoon. Now
I'm thinking about it, Heavy D probably missed his opportunity.
He should have been the cartoon you compare, you compare him.
Every D M C M was just crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I'm why that's more.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
The next second we good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
He probably wishing he did something shi Hammer did. Now
he probably if he was a liver, like, damn, I
should have got a cartoon.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I'm sure you had.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
My should have been on some Heavy D on the
lunchbox would have been the great, the right move. If
he should have been on all typ of lunch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
By it's crazy. I've never heard that day in my life. Well, well,
I always trying to put you on something.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
He first said the trap. I had to think about it.
I was like, damn, the nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
He right on work. I understand working work, so I
understand how they start marketing people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Listen Hammer, where Hammer took a lot of critigues that
he rapped like the first generation rappers in the second
generation of hip hop, that was his biggest critigue, Like
when the game went away from yelling and like rapping
like Run you know what I mean, or rapping like
Mail Rock him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Came a couple of dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Ll you know, LL kind of was the first. The
second generation dudes came and evolved the style. They wasn't yelling,
they were smoother, they was talking and it went into
more words in the pockets and all that. And Hammer
still rapped like a nigger out the first gen. Hammer
still rapped like Melly, Mail and Run in nineteen eighty eight,

(01:01:47):
how they wrapped in eighty four.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
So I get why it looked crazy to people, But
again I also understand why it was so big.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It allowed time for that style to develop and became
more mainstream. Lo took off, right, who was out of
that generation. That's why Hammer was so successful. But the
way they marketed him into that success is based off
of the things Heavy D was doing successfully, And that's
what I'm trying to tell you. I'm telling you exactly.
That was the answer to Heavy D. That's why people

(01:02:20):
started to also spend money into that type of thing
like Hammer and the reason hip hop felt comfortable putting
money into a man from Oakland that was heavy you
know at that time he was twenty four years old.
The reason they felt I mean he's twenty five years old.
Oh no, he was twenty six years old when the

(01:02:40):
second Hammer Autum came out. The reason they felt comfortable
marketing him that way is because of Heavy d and
the boys in eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
They saw that. So I get it. You don't care.
I get it. At this point in your life, you are.
They took that million out of a church and turned
them into a rapper, and they said, we want you
to be the reverend of wrapping. Once you move around
and say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
My independently first trap that did good?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah? Trap?

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Have you ever noticed that when you on the on it,
when you're in a disagreement of always against the West coast, dude, you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Try to listen. If don't understand, I don't sit here
and try to push the east and there and tell
you you like this ship right here, this right like
nothing said, I don't I don't go I don't go
within that right there. I don't do that at all.
But for some reason y'all would go, Yo, this is
dope right here. You know what I'm saying, I don't
know what the reason why you don't like it, because
you know, no, I don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Talk about you liking it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
Trap you just mouth like the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Statement cording yeah he was.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Yeah, But I'm saying, like we hey, we both gave
uh my man is flowers heavy dis flowers. We both
say he's dope, he's all this kind of stuff. We
never disrespected that. And don't get me wrong, I ain't
gonna lie. I've just I've said some stuff about some
East Coast artists for sure, but but they got to
be whacked for me. But I say something about the
West Coast arter as they whacked me, or I don't

(01:04:04):
like them. It's always a West Coast arst. I ain't
never heard you say nothing disparaged about East coastars in
my life, like you are you cool?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
He started, he died, but so as the West Coast.
We compare mc hammer, who sold twenty million.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Records with two albums to im to a heavy be
who I would imagine he didn't sell twenty many million records.
We compare them, Nigga, I could see an mc hammer
nigga being like, man, don't compare him to Heavy D
before heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Your areas will let you see that you really are
out of line. You were like, what what what? What
for compare? But not for not accepting that that that
that is not for.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Telling me yes, for for not saying, damn, that's dope
that y'all see y'all guy, the way our guy started,
you find it as disrespected. Even though one nigga sold
thirty to fifty million fucking albums, the arrogance and niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
It's somebody else you could have found of the Heavy
DV can't you'd you could have could have found somebody
else been in comparison to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
This is the pride of Heavy D. Heavy D.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
It ain't like yes, yes, yes we do the props. Actually,
none of the niggas really was sucking it up and
great entertainers. You don't do. No, you don't trap, you're not.
I don't all the time be talking about DJ Quick

(01:05:32):
all the time? Yes all you mentioned him? Yes, No,
we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
We always meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Quick, bro. It's many odd I can think about.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
I've got a million artists trying to tell you something.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Instead, you're defending the position instead of letting us tell
you something. We're not attacking your position. I'm telling you
the fact that you don't understand. It's a compliment when
we say the things Hammer was able to do is
because of the things Heavy D did, and it's built
in that image.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
It's ridiculous. The arrogance of the arrogance.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
That you got in a person that we all love
that might have sold five million dollars total versus somebody
sold fifty million.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
The fact you said people still.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Listening to one and it's times ten is the arrogance
that you don't want to You don't want to find
humility and say, you know what, damn, Now that I
think about it, I get what y'all saying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
We're not saying MC Hammer was as great as an
MC as Heavy D.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
We're saying the way the package was built musically and
the presentation in hip hop was built off Heavy D.
And your arrogance is, how dare you compare him to
how dare you compare any fucking body to Hammer?

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Nigga? The fuck is wrong with cham Man to Himmer trash?
Be We ain't about to do that Himmer trash never
yet listen man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
At the beginning, Nigga was a stranging hammer, Day two D,
Heavy D.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
That's probably got of disrespectful hammer. To be honest with
you and trap.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
I love you, my man, but you you are the
reason why the East Coast people should make lists, to
make hip hop lists.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Because you'll to averages.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Bro, it's an arrogance that you can't see nothing outside
of where You're too biased. You're too biased. I'm giving
you like I'm giving one of my favorite because he did.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Not trapped is not the affect. It's not the fact
he just danced. Even how they approached records.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
In a pop way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Say yes he did, you're actually.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Being not approached. No, thats the same way that that
that he appost records. Bro, you're not gonna do that.
Nothing beloved, nothing beloved him, ain't got him nothing beloved.
What are you talking about? Bro?

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
What are you talking about? And do you know nothing
of heavy Diesel?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
What? No? Man? We found love? How that we found
love as a pop record? Bro? That was now that
we found it was in ninety one, Bro, it was
within it with a Teddy Raley produced song. You don't
think that's not no No, it was a teddy rally
New Jack Swing song to New Jack Swingers pop. Now,
y'all remember New Jacks wi went pop by ninety one.

(01:08:19):
But if New Jackson, you gonna something that's pop right there?
What was that? Was that New Jack Swing? Was that
the New Jack swings? Soon ebody was doing? Are you
trying to say heavy D is hardcore hip hop? Like hip?
He was like, hey you, it wasn't. It wasn't pop.
It was looking to go international with that song with
that groove right there. It wasn't not gonna pop. They

(01:08:43):
hit the whole other level with it beat, Like, come on,
bir you could bear a heavy D heavy D compare
at the mc hamm. It's just crazy, bro. Yeah, you're
right because him, he got ham and on hurd him
and you can't touch this. That's it. I can name
mad song and every D right now. You don't think
that New York they got you name them? Then you

(01:09:03):
name songs there can name them so you think so
in your mind? Let me get this right now. So
I just got this right. You think heavy D has
more fucking hit records than mc hammer, I'm not saying
more swim people at suit right now? Today Times ten
on Spotify. I don't get back realize that you're that's

(01:09:27):
a very perspective based off you're on the eye your
ice cream. What are they playing for MCM right now
out there in the west, Trap? What's the laster you
heard playing at the barbecue from m c M in
the West is going on? What's the last song played
for m CM in the West at a barbecue? Trap?
What is wrong with you? You can't have Let's bro,

(01:09:50):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
I'm saying they still playing hammer at sports events. You
can't touch it get played at sports events at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
You know you touching the one song you like. I
get it. I get it. As the founder of hip hop,
you can't be that you all right? Trap? All the
cat that's not number outside of the numbers of catalog,
don't even the side of the numbers. The quality of

(01:10:17):
music and when we're listening to right now, it don't compare.
We're not gonna do that, bro, And no disrespect the
dance you can stick with, but Diamond Shim he ain't
gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Bro, No disrespect to heavy D because I feel like
U n G put me any situations where for like
I'm disrespecting people when y'all start talking crazy. But I
forgot Heavy D existed until you should brought them up
just now when you said heavy D, oh yeah, hev
D Dan used the rap not even but this is
not even nothing. I'm just saying, like mc hemmery, Heavy

(01:10:50):
D ain't even in the same like trapped anything strategy
pro those conversations with and the kind of narrow perspective
of everything else happening around America, especially Black America, is frightening.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
So what you're saying right now is and clean. Just
get understands we could fare you know what I'm saying.
You're saying because Heavy D dance, and he and like
he was just an artist that was like wasn't doing
hard core, she was doing like everything to aybody can
basically listened to it like that. They approached they approached
mc Hammer's approach to the industry with the same way

(01:11:28):
because he danced.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I'm telling you, the labels saw the success that Andre
Harel in Uptown had with Heavy D and the boys.
That's what allowed nineteen eighty eight for you to get Hammer.
Outside of Hammer selling mixtapes right and doing this thing.
In eighty six when he first dropped and having a buzz.
The reason they were comfortable with marketing Hammer is because

(01:11:53):
of the success.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Of Heavy D and the Boys. So they said, let
us see that obvious that is bringing this skinny. Let's
bring this skinny dude from from from Oakland, California, and
we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna make him the skinny
Heavy D on the West Coast.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
The fact that you that's a crazy white conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
What you're saying, right, what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
The fact that you act like you can't imagine what
people saying that it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
They said that, But we didn't. We didn't. We didn't
look at that shit like that though. I don't know
who looking at like that. I don't know who looked
at it like that. Like Yo, he's the he's the
skinny evy D of the words coach.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Guess what they were right, Guess what it did? Made
a lot of money, all right, bro? I mean it
is a reason you signed somebody twenty seven in nineteen
eighty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Think what I'm saying, Change Brown, all of these are
rap You could get a rapping James Brown. I said
that with that, I'm cool with that right there, James,
let me let me tell you. Now, let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Let me tell you what your New York ignorant ass.
I'm gonna tell you something. The fact that you will
compare them to a black icon who's fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Greater than every day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Hold on the arrogance of you to feel like it's
cool to compare him the fucking times every.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Stuff because heavy d raps that niggain't fucking rap. Nigga said, bullship?
What the that was the ship right there? Think it

(01:13:39):
was some ship? Trap? You gotta be making content, no bro, no.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Height, but hey, but trap this one. Y'all should not
make no list because y'all crazy over there. And look, man, hey,
I think that if a West Coast, when West Coast
people make the list, I think we're gonna throw an
ice cube on it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Man, I think we're gonna have some bias too. I
think any anybody who make a list, they're gonna have
some bias. But I think we are a little more
We could see we don't have that sense of seniority that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
You guys have.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Like East Coast y'all just got that that like we
were the birth of hip hop. We we this are ship,
We this are y'all just got that that that y'all
crazy over there?

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Shout out to grap Lover, thank you for the two dollars.
Much love to your cousin Recipes Man, he's one of
my favorite rappers growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Bro. Much love to Heavy D.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Trap level.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
So allude to the podcast I normally watch on Twitter,
and welcome to the YouTube man. Make sure y'all subscribe
and get the notifications for no Seilings by Glasses alone
YouTube page. Jesus Christ Trapped Jesus Christy. I had a
thought about social media versus hip hop.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Drapped threw you off? They can't even think confused?

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
He okay, I'm not even thinking about Thank you Trap?
What did Cali do to you? Many? How does this
going to Calie? Hey, bro, I just don't like Heavy D.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
I mean, I mean, m m you about the lead
after the podcast Roman bursting chucks like him?

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
That's it. I think you get too much like come on, bro,
that said, that's the whole thing. I'll be mentioning. They
got too many great mcs and all that game. That's
what did it. Yeah. Shout out to Clip Wilson. Now
those group us with trap all of us like, got

(01:15:44):
not do that nothing to do with the West. Let
me reiter rate, I like v D everybody hev smoke smoke.
What ain't gonna let me like m c M.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Crazy over you're talking about ash and wacked.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
I gonna like lakers in and out facts.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
I hate in and out just you hate? Wait?

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Man, what then do you say you hate in and out?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yo? Yo? They tell me to go to the in
and out one time you get, you'll get a burger
animal styff. I'm gonna get the animals cash got a
little onion pits on them. Like what the ship? Like?
What the hell? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Let me guess you like you like White Castle?

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I love White Castle?

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Of course, that bullshit trash. That's not even no burker,
that't even meeting. That ship is niggas eating motherfucker?

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
What the microwave?

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
What that? What that ship is? That's all bro? Yo? Yeah?
No fois dognuts over there and be relaxed, very strap.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Y'all eat Salisbury steak between Hawaiian row bread, Like what
the fuck is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
White Castle is trash? Yeah? I know for donuts over there, man,
relast some really when the plane be that's all I
want right there for over there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
D Max two fifteen glasses. I'm from Philly. Hammer had
the block parties on lock damn.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
When when Hammers had real niggas doing the typewriter, I've
seen real gang bangers out there trying to typewriter, trying
to I was like, what is this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Heavy D?

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
I mean, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Heavy D was like, though, all right, let me not
because he was dope.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
I used to like, I used to fuck with it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
He love Heavy D.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
It's fucking heavy D dog.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I fuck with Heavy D niggas more. We keep saying,
I need to say pause it that be right there
before we move on trap.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
I gotta know what the fuck do you like about Whitecastle?

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
I gotta know trying to play me white Castle Burgers
and I used to be like, what the fuck is
this ship?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
It's white Cast just like it's just like it's something
that you just gotta have a craving for. Really, it
ain't sound like you don't want to just always get
It's like you gonna have a crave for it, either
after the club or something like that. You just might
have a craving for it though, So it's it is
had and they call him murder burgers really though, because
if you hit him, they're gonna fuck your stomach up
for real real.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
And it tastes like Nigga, how they be talking about
your meat taste like however the animal was killed, they
probably they probably came up from behind the Ostrich and
slit his throat because that ship is not Coli, that's Ostritch,
Like I don't whenever Nigga said, I want Astrich between
these these burger patties.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Like talking about that because I got I got jack
in the box out there. I was getting people horse
meat though be at one point they want to talk
about the box, but it is out how dare you listen?
You know it was when I went there they got
the first time. It was cool. It was cool, and
somebody said, Yo, you gotta get an animal stabb shout
out You New Yorkers don't like anything. They're equally hateful

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of racist.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I agree with that. Everything is not a standard. It
ain't nothing personal, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I don't get the hell out of it's coming with
with this own with this pass regrantsion ship against East
Coach right now, get the yeh bro. I don't know
if it's passive aggressive. I just I'm y'all love that
that ship. Man cut it out, bro. I love the
West Coast. I love the West Coast, man, But if.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
I got you, genuinely loved the West Coast, the South,
and the Midwestern same as much as a New York
nigga could love all of these things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
But you're gonna always see them a little bit beneath you.
That's kind of the New York way.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
I feel like trapped like the West Coast.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
How all niggas who come visit the West Coast like
the West Coast for the two w's weather and women.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
I think y'all off the bride the three ws we weather.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Ya niggas, soak all that ship up and go back
to the East Coast, Kelly, I love it. I never
say when it come to the Midwest, I never really
got into the Midwest side that I wanted. Detroit. Detroit
was I've never want to go to Chicago this summer
for the summer over her Chicago dough and mother New States.

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I don't need to go there, trap.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
I ain't ever been the closest I've been to East
the East Coast was Washington, DC. And when he came
back from New York and he be talking about New York.
This nigga be talking about New York so glowingly. He
be making me want to go over there, Like I'm like, man,
God damn it sound dope over there. And this nigga
be talking so glowingly and then to hear you just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
No, I don't know. I'm just look at us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
That's why I under That's why I understand New Yorkers.
I totally get it. Like I get why trap feels
that way. I see how they look at it. But
I'm telling him why it is. He just don't believe me,
Like why it is it is because they like they
just don't see it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
They don't.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
They like, Nigga, we got it better.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Like the fact that the fact that he was offended
that you compare somebody who's sold fifty million records doing
the same thing that somebody five million records did. It's
just really kind of in traditional New.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
York's you just try all right, So I ain't there. Listen, man,
I'm gonna say, like this the reason why we are
the way we are. We are the number two city
in the world to the world be to London, to London,
to London, the number staying in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't brag about being number two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
It's all good. It's so good. You know what, you
know what l A is, l A just be number one.
You know what A is? La behind chinay're behind China
and and and like Australian and Japan. Matter of fact,
you think that you care about if you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Care about the world's ranking, it would make sense to
you when white people think, I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Know, no, no, I ain't white people think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
People think, no city in China, Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
They're going to Japan before they go to Los Angeles,
real quick, No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
The last time I checked, it is a lot of
people that live in Los Angeles, not as many people
live in Japan.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
But that's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
The trap, Hey, let's just be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Everybody want to be in Cali only just playing about
being the Cali is the prices of everything.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
But we can house these type of prices because it's calty.
We can crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
No. So dope about Calio is the fact that it
could be it could be eighty degrees down there, and
then you go up on the mound and be snowing
up there. That shit is crazy. That shit is crazy
out here.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Bro, Yeah, I guess gorgeous out here's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
They got Earthquakespere, they got earthquakes being it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
What not you do that in New York's gut.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
I don't know. We get ic We got Verkans before.
That's about it, because we're not going on the cold
state that But don't we don't get no natural disasters, really,
I don't. I don't feel like we did.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Have an everpake not so long ago, though, I don't
know because I don't know how to rank cities or
what's better and worse, Like I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
You know it's number one, not really you do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
I'm going I believe your number two different places Like
I wouldn't go to I wouldn't go to London to
eat no.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Food, fuck wreaking cities. California is the best motherfucking place
on the planet. It's the best in the world, in
the world on the planet. This is why nigga, this
is why niggas come from New York all the time.
Don't get me wrong. It niggas going to California to
visit New York. But I bet you it's more niggas

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getting flights to come out here to leave that bullshit
weather out there, come out here and hang out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Right now, right now. But let me ask you, let
me let me ask you this real quick, coach. Yeah,
have you ever woke up on Christmas to a snowy day?

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
And that's how dope CALLI is? Yes, I have. I'm
so glad you asked that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
I fucking for shore the fuck have woke up and
built a motherfucking snowman. I got pictures because that's how
dope California. If you ever did the glasses, yeah, yeah,
I fuck how dope, nigga?

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
We're forty five minutes outside the city trapping snow sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Here, nigga, that's how dope that's here?

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Ready heretically, thirty minutes outside the city and the snow here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
But look, don't I don't know how you ranked cities,
but whatever, y'all carry that craziness.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Best second best city in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I don't know what that means, but sure, whatever white
people think you fine, I don't care because.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
I don't know what it was. Huh. So y'all got
Hollywood I don't even go. I wouldn't know. Yo. Let
me ask you this, when did you when? When did
you sell? What time do you celebrate the ball dropping?
The leaders E.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I bet you don't. White people, I do it? Coach,
what are you doing? Coach?

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
I celebrate New Year New Year's. I don't know about
the ball dropping celebrated. May be like, oh, you celebrate
ball drop when the ball dropping?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
When it dropped in New York, that's when the year
started ragging about when balls dropped. Boys man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Raging about ragging about with ball dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
I just look at the time and be like, oh,
New Year's. Let me drink of my apple cider and
hug my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
I don't know y'all argue about this city ship and
that I'll get to all that weird shit. Look, niggas
is raggedy everywhere, and it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
All I'm saying is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
I was thinking about this right with hip hop and
social media, because social media has really started to make
everybody Nick said you more than the carr is one,
Like it makes you start to identify with one artist,

(01:25:54):
like you know what I mean, You start really going
over the top, like with social media, and you start
to just identified with one artist, like I saw a
conversation where I think social media is kind of bad
for hip hop, like he could be good for hip
hop business, Like I was looking at Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Tyler just put out that album.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Shout out to Tyler the creator and he put out
an album and I guess the album has some funk
and really uptempo songs about people dancing, and he put
out this message, he said. I asked some friends why
they don't dance in public, and some said because of
the fear of being filmed. I thought, damn, a natural

(01:26:33):
form of expression and a certain connection they have with
music is now a ghost. It made me wonder how
much of our human spirit got killed because of the
fear of being made a mean all for having a
good time. I just got back from a listening party
for this album, and man, was it one of the
greatest nights of my life. Three hundred people, no phones allowed,

(01:26:58):
no cameras, just speakers and a sweat box. Everyone was dancing, moving, expressing, sweating.
It was truly beautiful. I played the album front to
back twice. It felt like that pent up energy finally
got released. And we craveed the idea of letting more
of it out. There was a freedom that filled the room,

(01:27:22):
a ball of energy that might not translate to every
speaker that plays this album, but men did that room
knel it. This album was not made for sitting still, dancing, driving, running,
any type of movement is recommended to maybe understand the
spirit of it only at its only at four volume,

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don't tap the glass.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
And then.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
I noticed when I was starting to come out the
clubs I was working, everybody would sit down and film
themselves on social media. Like people would be on social
media talking about how fun something is and they're not
even partaking in the fun, you know what I'm saying.
And it's like, I think social media kind of challenged

(01:28:14):
hip hop. I think it's kind of been out of
place because hip hop is such a it's such an
integrating thing, you know what I mean, Like, well, we
share time with each other, you know what I mean,
we do things together, and social media kind of I mean,
if you look at social media, coach, like look at TikTok,
people be dancing to themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
So you think social media takes away from the camaraderie
of what.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Makes hip hop great. I always tell trap hip hop
is the movement of we and not me, and social
media is so me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
It's so me. Social media is so me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
And not to mention simple things like it gentrifies slang,
you know language, which is a part of culture slang.
It gentrifies slang, so you kind of make it all
a part of just the simple English dialect.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
That's an interesting thought. I mean, I've never I never
thought about it like that, And I see where you're
coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
That's food for thought for sure, because I always looked
at social media as you know, kind of helping hip
hop as far as helping it grow and get to
the masses.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
But I never thought about how.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
How inclusive the social media social media is, like how
how it is about me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
It's very exclusive, like I think, so if you can
get hold, Yeah, social media excludes people like I remember
growing up, I never used to see I would rarely
see pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Of men by themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
I would rarely see pictures of men by themselves growing up,
Like I'm talking about, niggas could be in jail and
they wouldn't take the picture by themself. It's rare it
would always be a camaraderie. That's what made Black culture.
If there's a one thing in a America that was great,
it is the fact that we were together and we
we understood we were together, like right, that that kind

(01:30:07):
of would be something to me that's close to Black culture.
Like I remember when people would go take pictures at
the swap meet, it'd be like five people in the picture.
Even if it was gang bakers. You rarely got a
picture of somebody by themselves. You would always get pictures
of a group of us together. With the invention of
social media and the phone together, you see pictures where

(01:30:30):
everybody is is by themselves. They all buy themselves. It's selfies.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
Yeah, Like I said, man, that's a funny. That's a
that's an interesting thought.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Even coaching. I'm sorry, no, I don't want to rent
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
But even when people die, trap you ever noticed, like
niggas won't even put the picture of the person that
died by themselves. They have to put a picture with
them in the picture with the nigga that died, and
that nigga, like that nigga that you're saying rest peace,
can't even have that moment by himself. If I passed away,
brow you canna put me on your Instagram by myself.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
It's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
You ain't got to show everybody you knew me. That's
why I'm on your Instagram. Somewhere I affected your life.
They gonna put a picture with them and the person
on it, like I don't. All my pictures would NIP
are now more personal than ever. I really don't want
to share them. So even when I'm remembering him or
when he passed away, I didn't put the picture with
me and him together. I didn't put none of the stuff.

(01:31:26):
The video footage we got where we was talking shit,
it was about him, like I was showing people this
is my homeboy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
NH feel me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
He passed away and I'm support like I'm showing y'all
he means something to me. It wasn't a moment to
garner social currency for me. It was a moment to
honor him. And I feel like social media supports the
business of hip hop. Obviously, we looking at the clips,
just did one hundred and twenty thousands shut out the

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track to being right again for that which is impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
One hundred and twenty thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
I think it helps the business of hip hop, but
I think it kind of fucks with the culture of
hip hop.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
I got said, that's a super interesting thought because I
think we only think about the business of hip hop
and think how it helps the business of hip hop,
but the culture of hip hop. I could see how
you could think that selfish, Like I can see that,
Like I never thought about that. That is interesting thought.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
No, I was thinking about it, and I was like,
damn man, like niggas is scared to dance, and hip
hop is built on dancing, like trap is. Right when
we're talking about the hammer headshit, everybody danced. I mean
NWA had an album.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
At the beginning of the album talking gainst and shit
and then one of the last songs is something to
dance to.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
Because even when you see somebody at a hip hop concert,
like you said, the cameras on them, they ain't even
showing you nothing what's going on on the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
They showing themselves like yeah, I'm at this boude or
what not. You trapped because I just was.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
Last week thinking of looking at Wou Tang on trap shit.
But I just you know, so that's it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Shout out to know because people want to photo of
themselves standing in front of the car crash looking concerned
and sad, snapped sixty picks to get the perfect shot
on everything. People be at their father's grave snapping pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Actually right there, it's weird to me. I don't like
that at all.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
How to get the strange place guys, Yeah, it's not
real rage place, but like, how do you even navigate
that though? Because you you kind of you kind of
need it. It's kind of the into a mean for
people like the clips. You gotta have social media to
build your build your brand, build you and then if
im after that, man, you know, people gonna do what

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people gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
I mean, it's kind of it's a it's a weird dilemma.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Yeah, I mean, like I got a clip I want
to play though too before you fast. This kind of
sea right here though, because it's definitely shows a party,
a party, saying, my mom's at a party. She was
partying and and like the older people and they be
out there jamming, they be dancing and all that. That
was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Like we just was hammer and heavy d like everybody
in hip because hip hop is a party, no matter
what we say, it is a party for sure. If
it's at any place in the world that's at a party,
for sure that it has expanded to other places, but
it for sure started at a party.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
So dancing came with partying. People are not partying anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
That's why to me, hip hop is kind of struggling,
not like, uh, it's the end, but it's not as
quite present as it was because people ain't partying.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
It's crazy because even when gangster at with prevalent, you
go to a party and like, yes, all you hear
at the party.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
That's why I said from the first like Straight out
of Compton that album, there's a song on Straight Out
of Compton called something to Dance To It.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Like that, Yeah they got And that's why I.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Don't like when some some of the elders talked shit
about NWA, like they just had a bunch of just
gangster shit going on and killing people.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
It's like, bro y'all so dramatic. Huh, Compton shreda Compton
had it wasn't It wasn't like that. Traida Comfort definitely
had expressed itself on it and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Something to Dance to They had dope, man, which is
a story more of a more of a cautionary tale
about selling dope somebody want to kill a dope man
and how it was working and what was happening where
we was from how it was happening. But you know,
like that's why somebody like hammer could do some well,
do so well, somebody heavy d could do so well

(01:35:38):
because they look like they would be the most fun
people to party with, you know what I mean, Like
like fat boys, fat boys look like they would be
so much fun to party with, Like if you watch
them in their videos and when they talked, and how
much fun they were the first songs to do even
the message was something people partied to.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
But those are the and they were also super successful
because they were fun, like the fat boys. I always
wondered why the fat boys getting these TV shows and shit.
I was like, I mean, on these movies, why the
fat boys? Why who picked the fat boys to do
this ship? But the fat boys were were fun like
kidd and play get play the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Wouldn't want to be at a party with kid. You
know how much I used to love house party. I
tried it. Man's hurting nobody not much, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
I got mad when my friends you talk about kidning
play like man, they they could. I used to think
they were going there like, nah, I can't play the ship.
They're like, who wouldn't want to be at the house.
Who wouldn't be want to be at a kid and
play house party.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
That's a fact I wish I was at that where
the Lorraine at boy Lorraine right, boy, Nah, I couldn't
play with, couldn't play with joke and Maim played more
a dope than me. It was the fact that I
used to see them be. I used to see them
and Herbie love Bug and all that by the West.
He want to be kwime too, wen't have that much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
And I was just thinking about that with the Tyler product, right,
And I was like, damn, man, he's right. But I've
been saying this for years. I'm like, I think we
talked about this. I'm like, hip hop is struggling because
the black party is struggling. Yeah, now it's not the end, right,
And that's part of Also, I guess what I liked
about the Dot album about gn X. It was so

(01:37:31):
festive in the moments it was festered, and I think
a lot of Dots music ain't always as festive. That
was another thing to getting back to the like hip
hop is very much how that particular region parties?

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Do you like to do that? Like why niggas ain't partymic?

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
When it went from people just trying remember the club,
went from people trying to be next to each other
to people trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Be exclusive, it's actually I was taken away.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
From the bar, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Remember you, Like before I would imagine when I first
started going to clubs, people would walk to the bar
to get a drink. You would under the people and
see other people that you. Now the goal is to
bring all attentions to you, away from the party into you. Hey,
look at these hear them a bottle it got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Glitter on it, and it's naked girls walking them across
the room, and you following the bottle.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
You like, damn, who is that over there with all
of them? Like that's what it turned into.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
It It stopped turning into people having fun expressing themselves
where it wasn't about money. It was about people who
just really wanted to dance and they look good dancing
and the fine girls into who's spending the most money
in this private place? And it's funny because if you
look at a section. The section got his own party
happening there, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Not a part of this party, So like separated them.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Week that because it allowed people to go from just
something so simple like that few people to now where
you're doing it in front of thousands and thousands and
people because of the phone where you could just be
on that phone and everybody that's on your line.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Could see you in your section. I it's done been
to a point when I've been up in the spot
and you see one of the fuckers sitting in the
section looking board as hell. Then the phone come out
having a good old time home, go back down the
back out of the boy in time, like god, damn.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Bro, everybody on their lives instead of having fun.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Yeah, just have fun. That's why I like, I've been
liking to go to I go out to these parties.
Now I go to his R and B parties. Man
that be jammed, just be jumping or be a straight
different groove up in there, And man, ain't that crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Now we done got to a place where R and
B party is more fun than hip hop?

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
What the singing the top of their lungs because you
don't feel the press hip hop mad? You to be
cool a little too much.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
There's R and B at they got some R and
B them louns as you go to them lounds and
shit them louds.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
They got somebody cracking. There'd be some armb probably that'll
be chumping, but they would. I mean, they played some
new joint but you know, you be the oldest joints
they be playing though big be up there saying to
the top of it would be the toughest thing up
the singing the top of the lung, be saying, keeps
at the top of his lung heard the line I
should be crazy. It be fire up and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Talking about and sorry not to cut you off. Ain't
that crazy to me? That like we were just saying
how we was talking about heaving and hammer. It was like, Man,
everybody hip hop used to dance. Nigga, don't nobody hip
hop dance.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Nobody at all right now, right now, if.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
This product starts to transition over that Tyler put out,
he's gonna look like a genius.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Man, don't nobody dance at all?

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
I never thought about that ship. It's not one nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Caine used to dance, Fat boys used to dance. It
used to dance. Hammer used to dance, Digital Underground used
to dance.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Pac used to dance about to say, like everybody, and
now don't nobody dance, I'm abody.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Well, then dance. I've seen I've seen people do a
show and have like background dance like a little routine
in their video and video. Now, yeah, well I've seen
I've seen them. I've seen him do it a showing
a routine and some shing like I've seen a couple
of people do it. They do a routine, they dances

(01:41:48):
and stuff like that. But ain't nobody dancing? They walking
back and forth across stage seeing the song thinking the song,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
And I was looking at the video that What's name
was showing and I remember just being so focused in
my lyrics because I'm trying to remember that I didn't
even just have fun. But also that's why I stopped
jumping on the stage rapping. I mean, I just be
in a crowd because if people dance, and I want
to have fun with them, you know what I mean,

(01:42:17):
Like I want and it's so many ways to party.
It's so many ways to party. I mean, it's so
many ways to party. But I was thinking about social media.
It's kind of countering that even in that sense, like
I told you where artists are starting to identify, you

(01:42:39):
know what I mean. Like people are like, like, because
Drake was outed from hip hop, you know, street urban culture,
like it was clear that he was faking. His fans
feel like we have to go too, even though most
of them grew up the same way we grew up
or close, but they like, I'd rather follow this artist.
Like It's like when I listen to people talk about
basketball and they get so stuck with one basketball player

(01:43:01):
like coach and Lebron, Whereas like when Lebron retires the
NBA and I'm like, it's gonna go on, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
I never said they been we gonna go on with all.

Speaker 5 (01:43:08):
We're gonna miss him though.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
No, I'm saying, you miss the King. He lost Jordan before.
It ain't gonna be no different when he lost Jordan
Los Matthew Johnson. But it's gonna be the same thing always.

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
To do biggas Johnson what we're talking about right now
and the King in the same sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Yeah, we could definitely do that. Do that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
Let's move it on, Let's move it on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
It's not he got more tips, he got it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Get you that they're all the same person, and you
just keep uniquely identifying these niggas like he does with
Heavy did is crazy like your guy, like.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Scarface is my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
I don't think I'm gonna lose a breath of fucking
sleep if he don't put out a fuck another album.
I'll find some other ship. I have enough Scarface fucking albums.
Scar Face don't gotta keep fucking putting out out. I'm
not living vicariously through one unique entity when it comes
to this street avery coach thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Like jay Z is was my guy. There was a time, man,
jay Z was everything. And I still play Snoop Doggy.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
I still played all these other things.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
Yeah, that's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Every time you see that jay Z the scarfick when
he says that, right, there's crazy when he.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
Says Scarface, I get it when I talk to You'll
like I could see scar But if.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Scarface doesn't put out an album, I don't think hip
hop is going to lose a wink of sleep.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
No, but but but I think it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
I think hip hop is better when Scarfaces is putting
out a record.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Though I don't I think it's just flying.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
I think it's fine. I don't think it's nothing wrong
with it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
But if Scarface drop a record right now, I'll be
looking for a Scarface record before I let.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Me play this clip. Didn't play this clip, real clip,
no matter of fact, I play another time. I'm gonna
send it to you. I want you to see this clip.
That's gonna bug out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Mary Jane Trapp.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
What you as far as we Yeah, does it go
back to the street? What happened? Something happened.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
I'm just saying in general, you you kind of watching
the curve a lot different than everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
No, it's no, no, no, the future, the future man,
hold the problem whatever. I didn't know what the bum
was going on, I said, I don't know about you.
So basically, I think I think right now we liking
like the liking like the prohibition ey right now, you
know what I'm saying, Like like like we're like when

(01:45:30):
the alcohol was was was crunching over from being illegal
to being legal and stuff like that. I think that,
you know what I'm saying, that's what we witnessing right
now when it comes to when it comes to marijuana
and what I'm saying, so it's it's easing in were
it's gonna end up being to the point where like
tobacco is and ship like that, you know what I'm saying.
But basically it's it's basically on the same hythm like
it was in Prohibionaria when it came to alcohol. So

(01:45:52):
it's gonna be it's the best drink is on the street. Yeah, yeah,
for the best price too, the best prices too. The
black market don't always win everything.

Speaker 5 (01:46:03):
Nigga, Hey what's that?

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
But the black market alcohol don't win no good today?

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
But it was no see now you know what they
stopped winning though black market when they saw the serving
liquor on Sundays, so they was they wasn't serving liquor
on Sundays. Black market was still eating, know that ship
heavy black markets said, you don't look at too after
travel clock at the liquors storres closed, they're gonna still
eat and they're going and nigging jack. You think what
you're thinking on them clowns, that's black marketing and clouds

(01:46:28):
they doing when they serving them damn bottles for from
six dollar bottles for fucking fo hundred dollars a trap.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
It's still a niggas like selling weed, Like like like
really niggas is on the on the streets selling weed.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Now, Yeah, I seen motherfuckers go out here in New York, Man,
motherfuckers to be out.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
I was walking in time, heard brother the floor.

Speaker 6 (01:46:50):
Yeah, I got that fire. It was hard, harder, I
got that fire. I'm like, damn like this, yeah, like
that's crazy. I ain't seen that shit in years. I
obvin't seen the nigga still and I got.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Some because but because the reason being is that like
like like when youre inside the store, you inside the store.
Though the price in the stores be crazy, but I
mean the prices that went, damn, you ain't gonna be
to hit nobody over the head in the street stuff.
I've seen Tricky zeki on. I seen Tricky zeke On
on Twitter today. He said he said, I got sevens
for twenty five. I said that to you, So I

(01:47:24):
got seven for twenty five. Damn, that's crazy. Seven for
twenty five is crazy. Next level, that's crazy, know what
I'm saying. But that's what big gotta go to though.
But the futher thing, I want to go up in there,
get taxed, you get texted up in them stores though.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Ay them store prices be I mean, and I'm not
a weed by but I know niggas will go up
and the back right there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
But but but see, but let me go back, let
me fix it up because because going up in the store,
at least you know when you're going to store and
you're going to dispensary, you know what you're getting up.
You know what I'm saying. You know what you're getting.
You know you you know that weed has been tested,
no pest side, it ain't spraying, ain't nothing like that.
I'm saying. You know exactly what the TSC kind of
You're gonna know what I'm saying. You go there to
find out the information on the weed. You know what

(01:48:05):
I'm saying. You go to you go on the block.
You ain't getting all that ship when you go on
the block though the ain't nobody really learning about that though?

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Hey trap ever, you know, let me ask you a question,
because you know I'm me and don't smoke our smoke,
so me and smoke either. But as somebody who do smoke,
is there a difference in the in the quality, in
the in the in the uh, it's the dispensaries.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
It's it's a different Yeah. Like I said, if you
go on the dispensaries, you know, you know you're getting
some fresh weed that's been tested and you can know
if you're getting what type of strand you get. You
getting high breads and tiva and the gu you're gonna
know what you're getting basically, you know what I'm saying.
Compared to somebody on the block, they ain't gonna they just,
you know what I'm saying, getting like that though, it's quality.

(01:48:47):
It's quality though too. But you get some fire on
the block though too. But but at least when you
go to the dispenser, you're gonna know what you You're
gonna know exactly what you get.

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
It's also it's always fired, it is always.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
It's always levels though, And the price is gonna change
in that too. They stepping on the weed.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
If it's seven for twenty five and they mixing it
with parsley and oregano, is that real?

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
That crazy number? The number of the prices of budd
don't went down though, Bro, That's what it is. It
ain't gonna be that zide for that price. You ain't
getting no path for that. But but how much is
power pound. Now you're gonna you're gonna pie, I mean,
depending on depending on what you get. If you're getting
some branded weed, if you get some brand if you

(01:49:29):
come to get some brandy weed.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Huh, can't you get some power for eight hundred dollars
a pound?

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Now out there where you at were you at, you're
gonna get it like that? You know what I'm saying.
Over here, you ain't getting You're gonna get some You're
gonna get some some backyard boogie. You know what I'm saying.
It ain't gonna be back yup, be all right, might
be all right, you know what I'm saying. It might
be a like like a A B minus or something

(01:49:53):
like that. You know what I'm saying. Out there? Though,
in Cali, you get some night ship for like eight hundred,
or you get something if you go you go to right,
you got the right flove, you got the right people
that you fuck with. You get something. You get something
for from like eight hundred two thousand for some for
some good ship. But that won't be no branded weed. Now. Now,
if you're coming to us stuff like that and you

(01:50:13):
want to get some branded viola hobby pack the weed,
some designer weed. That wrapper weed, you're gonna pay. You're
gonna pay that ticket for it. You're gonna pay that
ticket for it. Man, you know what I'm saying. But
you know what you're getting though, you know the quality
that you're getting. And then also you're smoking the hustling
like we want everything within the bags. And that's what
the main thing is nowadays. The packaging. Now, the packaging

(01:50:33):
is crazy nowadays. Packaging that got now it's crazy, we
got it, yo. But you could buy weed right now
and that ship coming up box and you open the
box up in the fucking video game, come out the box,
b you can play the video game and the weed
is just how the video game be. You open up
the video game and it's the weed inside of the ship.
That's what That's what it's that right now. The package
we like making bundling it. That's a fact that the

(01:50:55):
packages where it's at though now in the weed. Yo.
Let me say how this clip real clip checking got
real quick. We just chaveling that second hold on that'
gonna die this trick and see I can bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Shout out to d max two fifteen five dollars. I
repeated this thank you brother for the five dollars. Last
time for Philly Hammer had the block Parties on lock
I know they did.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
How did it come up? This team? I just put
it on the Western. They really played. I think they
can trip. But if we play it, no, no, no,
no no, it's too all there. Yeah, you can't play
it because of the music your channel. I'm gonna send

(01:51:40):
it to you. Y'all gotta see that video. Be that
video in your bro My man was boogying saying, my
mom's at the parties. People.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
People forgot just hip hop was the party? Like it
was the party though?

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Na.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
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(01:52:40):
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iHeart Trap. Do you want to apologize to mc hammer
before we leave? Disrespect him like that, act like he
can't be somebody there?

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
Come on Trap, Come on man. Okay wow, Hey wow okay,
rest in peace.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
MICAELM. Jamorrow warning man, rest in peace to theo Hux. Yeah,
that was crazy when I heard drown.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Passed away all the Cosby everybody who the Cosby Show
raised del huxsb will passed away. Resent peace of that man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
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