REPLAY: Conversations Made In China

Glasses Malone, joined by Rose Gold Pete and King explore the challenges of economic transition, from a production-based to a service- and information-driven economy, and how globalization has reshaped American jobs and communities. They discuss the impact of outsourcing, the role of unions, and the controversial use of prison labor in the context of rehabilitation and economic disparity. Emphasizing the intricacies of a post-capitalist system, the dialogue highlights the need for human connection, shared responsibility, and a more equitable approach to wealth creation and opportunity in modern society.Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sinners Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
load glasses Malone. Everybody been asking me on the lunch
hour and where's Pete? And I really haven't told anybody,
you know what I mean. Why I'm like, oh, he

(01:07):
just taking a little sabbatical, you know what I'm saying,
Like he'll be back, you know what I mean? Yeah,
but you can tell people because this ain't for the
lunch hour, this is for the regular podcast. This is
for just audience. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, I have to get back into like full time
like trading trading and shit, because like I functioned in
huge ebbs and flows the last couple years, so I've
made like I've tripled my money in a quarter and
then like halved my money in a quarter like subsequently.
So like during stretches when I like pour a bunch

(01:44):
of money into some shit and don't have any money
until it cycles back up again, I have to drive Uber.
But I got kicked off the fucking platform permanently. So
I joined this options trading group that goes in the mornings.
But I'm new to it and I'm not throwing ten
K and these option moves out of the rip like
that shit's I mean, I got clobbered the first week.

(02:06):
So I was like, yeah, if I'm to do this
full time, I can't try to get in and out
in the mornings with the group. So I'm like on
the market all day long, trying to make more moves
at smaller volumes while I learned. And I've been learning,
so it's getting better. But yeah, the lunch table that

(02:27):
happens during trading hours, so I'm unavailable.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, and they got to just hold up till we
figure it out. So what happened was because that was
your numb will just mess up pay your bills time.
I really tell what happened.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So this is what made it even more weird. I
literally would just go to the gym, which is by
the airport in Miami Airport, sit there till someone was
going up to for Lauderdale and then once then go
to for a Lotder airport and wait till someone was
coming back to Miami and go home. That was all
I would do. I wasn't out all damn day and
all night long pick people. I just went from one
airport to the other and back. After the gym.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Don't enough enough, I don't. I got told that I
had complaints. Bear in mind, the city of Miami is
a third world cluster fuck shit show, and that's more
true on the roads than anywhere else. That's where it
all comes. Everything comes to Jesus on the roads. These

(03:29):
people don't know how to drive. They crash like nothing
I've ever personally seen. I've driven half a million miles
in Los Angeles County. I've never seen anything like this.
They banned me for I got apparently that I got
two complaints about unsafe driving practices. I must have used
my turn signal and scared them. Strange as shit, And

(03:51):
so then what did Uber do? They just sent me
a message that you go, You're done, no appeal process,
that's nothing. I set in the peel and it's been
over a week. Then they don't know what They're not
going to turn that. I only did this to see
what would happen. They're not gonna turn that shit.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
So we need an inside plug at Uber. So shout
out to everybody who missions to know. So this podcast
or the lunch tables, we need to plug inside Uber
to get Pete's account overturn. Because how many stars did
you have as a driver.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Out of five? Like four point nine and then and
then I got lowered to four point like eight eight,
So not real bad, but I mean what I after
after my spot burned down in California. I drove ten
hours a day, seven days a week for three or
four years in a row. Like I didn't take a
night off work for like fourteen hundred days in a row.

(04:46):
Like that's probably shortened, shorten it. It was probably more mh.
But like I mean, you got me. I never I
never had a complain like that. And usually even if
you speed the app tracks you you get a messa say,
it looks like you've been speeding lately. I hadn't had

(05:07):
none else. I mean, is I personally like, I know
what happened. A couple people I got a little impatient
with because they couldn't find where I was because they
they know it all, which they don't. And they go
upstairs after they asked me to go downstairs and then

(05:28):
tell me that they're downstairs. So I'm like, you're not,
you're upstairs, and they get and they get all chippy,
and then I tell them, go look at the sign.
What's to say? Read it to me out loud, and
they read to me out loud and they go, oh,
I guess I'm upstairs. I go yeah, But by that
time I'm pretty pissed. So they probably complained in a

(05:51):
drive like shit, that's the only thing that could have happened.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That or twice.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I only got I only saw one of them, but
they said it happened twice, but they only said they
can only document one. So it's whatever I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
You never drove for Lyft.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I got banned from Lift for life, awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Pe got banned from Twitter, and I got.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Banned from every every big Silicon Valley based, multi billion.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Dollar, every liberal platform possible.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Basically, I got banned from Lyft though for turning down
cheap rides at the airport. I didn't even do anything.
I was just sitting there looking at it. I'm like,
I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't
want that. And they're like, you're banned for life, and I.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Was like, huh, happened. So again, to everybody who listens
to No Siller's podcast or or come watch the Lunch
Hour on YouTube if you have a plug. Pete has
great driving reviews.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
We need you to make sure I want to be back.
I didn't make more money last week than otherwise.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, but anyway, we need to make sure we get
this off of your thing. Anyway, The option should be available,
so if y'all it's nice to have a back safety
of that. But yeah, so if the option was possible,
y'all can help. Please help reach out hit its own
Instagram and you can help out No Seilings Podcast. What's

(07:21):
having a gl I got my brother Peter Boss, who
hasn't been on the Lunch Hour but he's back for
the No Seilings podcast because he does have time during
the weekend and knock out the weekly podcast. I got
my brother King in the house doing the laure's work.
Then we off with this thing.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Man, So I hope we should have put upload the
video here because we finally get a chance to really
see King. His camera's not so far away.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, I can adjust that too at the studio. But
then I kind of like the wide of it.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, no, cool, you've got multiple people at the table.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah. Yeah, So what you were saying gave me two thoughts,
and that's why I was asking, and thank you for
letting me share you know what's happening. But you sent
me a really dope article and a lot of those
same things. I was thinking, you know what I mean

(08:19):
in that article, and the article just talked about how
America kind of how the elite and the most successful
people in America realized they could even make more money,
you know what I mean, and they decided to sell
out the average American citizen for their own personal glory.
But one of the things I remember about it in

(08:41):
this conversation or in this article specifically, and I want
the address in this conversation was where they talked about
trading in production for service. Yes, in the industry for service.
I read it to King too. That's the crazy part.
I read it to King. Want to say, what, so

(09:03):
that's the article you read to me? Was driving? Yeah,
I've read it to King because I just wanted to
hear him and you could tell it with somebody much
more educated in it than I am, right, because honestly,
intellect will get you far. You can't overstep the ability

(09:23):
to think and process because you're lacking information. But some
of this stuff feels a little obvious, right, And one
of those things I thought about was, you know, America
was a much better place. It might have been a
little bit more racist, but it was a much better
place in the fifties and sixties, where the average everyday

(09:44):
American can go down to a factory you know, and
start to sacrifice their dreams per se right to buy
a house, take care of their family, and put their
kids through school. And they convinced every anybody in America
that you were going to become a part of marketing
or like service. And that's what I thought about when

(10:07):
when you taught me everything that was happening with you
with uber, where I was like, damn, this is exactly
that type of thing where it's now just a service thing.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, the economy shift happened on like I got hit
in the face with that when I was twenty four,
when the entire when like a generations model of like
how corporate sales worked shifted like on a dime in
two thousand and eight, and everybody went to like this
weird like ten ninety nine commission only sales jobs, or

(10:39):
you were either making two hundred grand or you were
getting like no money, or they were hiring it.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
And that's what I was thinking about. I was thinking
about that specifically, like that's one of those things where
you know, like the concept of convenience is ruined the
quality of life. Like I watched Dave Chappelle. I'm a

(11:07):
huge fan of da Chapelle, Like a huge, huge fan
of day Chapelle, And he was saying, like, we don't
want those jobs, and he was talking about making shoes,
and I'm like, Yo, that's not the job he's talking about, right,

(11:29):
he's talking about like if Trump, if we're talking about
Trump is like he's talking about the industry jobs and
how everybody in America felt, oh, we were done with
those jobs. But whole nations are building, you know, their
whole economy off of those same exact like opportunities. Sure,

(11:52):
And what I'm missing, Pete, like, how do they convince
the industry? How do they convince America? Like America? Why
can't America see it? Now?

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
What am I missing? That makes it so hard for
the average everyday American to understand that.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Understand the fact that offshoring the productive industry sector had
ramifications for probably a third to forty percent of the
quality of life of working Americans.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yes, I think like, how could politics? How could politics
make Americans somehow not notice that this was something driven
by politics?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Look people with politics, I mean, and it isn't a
lot of senses driven by politics in multiple ways. I
mean I think that like you look at the agricultural
and like ranching sectors in the United States, which those
supported lots of people for a long time. You know,
they've become very consolidated. They don't support as many peoples.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
They used to.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And a lot has to do with the fact that
other other countries, I mean, like like all of the
trade war stuff, people don't think. People think, oh, Donald
Trump's firing off tariff bombs at every country in the
world or whatever, Like he's basically shooting back with fifty
percent of the tariffs that they have on us, just
about like fifty two percent, it seems like. So that

(13:34):
means even if there's not a market for certain things
here that we could make, there might be a market
for them elsewhere, but it's not even cost effective to
send them out, So that's problematic. I think people also
just figured in reality, like a lot of poys looked
at it, well, Okay, who cares. If everything gets cheaper

(13:56):
and you make a little bit less money, you'll be
able to afford it because it's all so much cheaper.
I think that's the ultimate like frame of reference for
people in their understanding of consumer globalism.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do they not see that you don't have money, so
these need to be cheaper, Like how could they miss
that obvious fact?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Now they.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Part of that like as a car guard peak. Like
one thing you hear about I've always heard over the
last forty years, right this is now we're going back
to my teenage years, right is I've always heard like,
oh man, this stuff made in China, Like that's a
reference of bad quality. Sure, like historically Now I don't

(14:46):
know if that's being prejudiced, but historically I've read for
companies that was true. Yeah, I get it because you
don't want to just say that, but I understand why
it's that way. So like if prime example, shout out
to Airflow Research. AIRFRS are like my favorite cylinder heads
when it comes to drag racing cars. They just got
a free commercial. It's like one of the best heads ever,

(15:09):
cetldar heads. If you want to make your car make
more power AFFR Airflow Research best cetlder heads and racing
as far as GM stuff for stuff, just really great company.
They have a head now right that's like a head
for an LS motor, a cylinder head, and it's like
a it's like cheap. It's like twelve hundred dollars for

(15:30):
set for like a five to three. Well, five to
three is like the equivalent of a modern three twenty seven.
But the new motors and chevrolets, they you know, they
don't title them in cubic inch anymore. They have a
set of heads for those that run twelve hundred. Now,
this is like, by far the cheapest head Airflow Research

(15:50):
ever had. And I'm asking a buddy of minds. Now,
I have a really good friend who actually designed the
Airflow Research heads, which is crazy, Like, this is how
long I've been in the racing. This is how much
I'm into it. A buddy of minds who helped me
do my head race card, right, is actually the guy

(16:11):
who designed the heads for Airflow Research. And he said,
he said, but why these head so cheap? I asked him.
I was like, man, I it's I'm my lowrider for
my five three. He said, man, glasses, those heads are junk.
Like what you mean they junk? He's like, man, their
heads made in China. I'm like, damn, airflow heads fucking
made in China. This is fucking crazy. He's like, all
the airflow heads are made in China, right, he said.

(16:35):
The difference is they would get the cast done in
China and then they would ship them here and then
do the actual detailed labor to get the quality that
we expect from airflow research. And I heard the other
day in like the person's market, right in the bag
market for women's purses, they're doing the same thing. Yeah.

(16:57):
So right now, it's almost like the organic thing. You
could say made in America. If you assemble it in America.
That means the actual material could be cast in China
or made in China, as long as you assemble part
of it in America, a specific part of it in America.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Beef yep, So it becomes legal terms versus what the
actual term means.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think if you cut the beef in the United States,
it can be USDA beef. The cow didn't have to
be from here, not that it probably matters all that
much where the hell cow's eating grass, but there are
certain standards, yeah, as to the grass and the environment

(17:44):
and all the rest, and it matters for US rancher.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So it's like all of this stuff that I'm figuring
out is now making Trump look a lot less crazy
to me. Like imagine being on the other end ofnet
right and taking advantage of everything you know, like and
you have enough information to take advantage of it. But

(18:10):
you're like, man, I'm telling you, y'all think this is cool,
but look at this. This is bullshit. This is this,
this is that, And that's been his thing.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I remember the first debate he had with Hillary Clinton,
a viral clip where he was saying, that's somebody accused
him of like paying off politicians or something when he
was in you know, developing buildings or whatever. And he says, yeah,
because otherwise nothing could ever get done. He's like, you
have to do that, otherwise you're never going to get

(18:39):
a permit. I had to contribute to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.
That's why she came to my kid's wedding, something along
those lines. And it's that's that's been his kind of
mo o and that is very true, and I think
a lot of the issues now are The name of
this book that I read last year was a great book,

(19:01):
Guilder's latest book called Life After Capitalism. We are in
a post like people like to people I think think
getting money means capitalism, we are in a very post
capitalist global economy. The regulations are so great on so
many levels, not only like what you can and can't do,
but financially how you can and can borrow international trade

(19:25):
tariff deals where you have to do certain things certain
way all the time. It's there's not a robust free
market where you can just have the drive, have the idea,
raise some money and go. It's not. That's not the
world we live in right now. Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
That shit just blowing me away, Like some shit could
be made in China, it's cast in China, but because
they'll work on it here, they could say this is
made in America. Mhm. Or like I was telling King
about organic, like organic is more of a legal term
than actually what you would think that means. It goes
back to that same letter in spirit of the law,

(20:11):
like the spirit of organic, what makes you think is
grown naturally? But that may not be the letter of
what organic means or USDA means, or made in America means.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Not very true, That's all I was just reading just
now where USDA got a certification program that they do
with other countries for organic fruits and vegetables.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's got to meet their.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Certain requirements in other companies in USD would live them
say it's made in us.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Oh, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Organic is there's some slippery language I think in all
the organic laws.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Listen to a guy.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Talk about that who's one of the big grower is
it one of the heads of the big grower associates,
like you know, they have co ops in the Central
Valley in California and saying like some of youre organic,
you might like there's a period of time like any
pesticide made before or after whatever can't be organic. So

(21:17):
people use these old archaic ways to kill bugs that
are actually like less healthy than some of the modern
pesticides because you know, to a loophole in this organic
certification process, people still don't want bugs.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
So how could polit seems to be so good that
people miss something that seems so obvious to me? Right, Pete,
I'm probably the most racist person you know, top of ten,
I gotta be up there. I'm hello racist, But how
can I see the obviousness of what the fuck this
motherfuck or people talking about in general? Like how can

(21:54):
I it be that obvious to me but to everybody
else who's supposed to be less races or not into politics,
Like I don't get that shit, you know what I mean?
I don't get it. I don't understand how. I'm like,
it looks pretty obvious to me. Is it possible? It
is different, but you would think that what's happening makes sense.

(22:15):
It's like, okay, well you need to bring productivity back
to America. Yeah, it may not look like it looked
in the sixties technology, right, but you still have more
jobs here that would help more people here so they
could have more money here.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah. And look, anytime something bad has happened, even small bad,
there's a lot of protected from ever happening again, you know.
And like one thing I've noticed it it's harder to
afford a house. Will create some sort of federal program
where you can put three percent down at whatever rate,

(22:56):
and that drives up the price of the house because
you don't have to have very much money down to
get the house. So you're making less of money. The
house is more expensive. So you're paying off the house
for yeah, thirty years, and you have a raiser with

(23:18):
you know, cost of living margin for thirty years, and
you're dependent now on your stock portfolio to support you
for the rest of your life. And you're just transit.
People are just walking through like a turnstile at a
department store going from mortgage to reverse mortgage, because when

(23:39):
it's talking to you to retire, you got to take
all the money out of that house, reverse mortgage it out,
and live off your four o one k because the
stocks in it all went up seven percent over the
course of the previous two decades because they cut costs
to increase you know, their bottom line margins and drive
up the price of stock. So that that's most Americans,

(24:02):
like the the high part of the Bell curve is
mortgage four oh one k extremely dependent on the you know,
basically the index aggregate performances of Wall Street and huge companies.
And that's true with like especially like government employees with

(24:26):
huge pensions. They're very buoyed to the market. And that's
a lot of like, like I know, Black Rock has
trillions of dollars, like trillions and trillions of dollars in
their of their portfolio of assets in management that are
government employee pension funds. So it's just borrow money now,

(24:48):
drive up the prices of equities, tie your retirement and
your net worth into these equities, deal with it later,
and you know, will inflate the dollar, will increase the
debt will do all these various things, will offshore jobs,
you'll make relatively less money, things will cost relatively more,
and in the back end you'll be fine and your

(25:09):
kids will have your same problem a little worse.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But go on, hey, Pete, how does that affect the
poor people that's not buying into pensions at work and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Not well, I mean, I guess the argue would say,
like if you were really poor and didn't have a
job to pay you very much money before, you probably
wouldn't have a job pay you much money now. Not
a huge change, but for there is a significant check
of people who went from being an auto workers' union

(25:43):
to being a part time waiter now at two diners
or something like that. You know, and that's a that
is a real number. That is a lot of people,
and that is a beating of a lifestyle change.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
How do you reverse that?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
That's kind of like what they're trying to do now.
I mean, you can try to ensure more production, I think,
I mean, we even outsourced a lot of production of
military hardware, which that's governing money. There's no reason that
should be cent overseas. No, we have contracts with India
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I mean, just from a.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
You know, civil responsibility standpoint, if you're gonna take tax
dollars to manufacture thing, you should at least manufactured here. Fuck,
it seemed like a real high.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Bar, and that's what's driving me crazy.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Like I'm.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, So what I'm starting to understand is there's my
belief is so I am I genuinely feel not could
be Obviously I need to do more research. I'm I'm
a socialist, right, yes, but I also believe in humans
doing right by humans. Like I think if the government

(27:05):
is forced to do right by humans, then that comes
a communist society. Does that makes sense? Is that is that?
I'm sure it's more difference, but like people like.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Huh or said, it's quite a less difference.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay, But like people like Milton Hershey right, where like
you have a good idea, you create town, right, you
you bring people in, you take care of people future,
and you're wealthy and developing human life, you know, human lives,
human experience, cultivating human experiences, not just your customer, but
even the people that for you, right, which is why

(27:41):
we have Hershey's right. This is this great chocolate company
and you know not that I but really the greatest
part of this legacy to me, it's Hershey, Pennsylvania, right
where you created a town where you you you got
human beings into careers, You built schools, You built an
opportunity for other you men who are not in your

(28:02):
position or you know, to be able to take care
of their families. That's to me like what wealthy means, right,
it's a well of things you build in humans. So
it's weird when like people keep trying to get me
to adjust my mind state of like this personal independence, like, oh,
you know, you just live aspirationally. You know, the way

(28:24):
to help black people is to show them you could
do it and then they'll figure out they could do it.
And I'm like, that's dumb as fuck, you know what
I mean, Like I'm from a gang. Bro Like, y'all
know I'm from a gang. Everybody listens, No siblings knows
that from a gang. But yeah, right, So I remember

(28:45):
talking to my homies and looking at their opportunities and
how they saw the world. My homeboy, Moto rest Is Soul,
dropped out in like fifth or sixth grade. His mom,
you know, rest in Peaces. Soone his mom was on
you know, she got she caught the worst of the
crack era, right, Pops, I don't know, because Pops, I
never met him. You know, I've been knowing Moto since

(29:05):
he was probably seven or eight, right, But I just
looked at our experiences. Right, my mother and father broke up.
But my mother, my dad, and my stepmom, you feel me,
they had a solid home. Neither one of them, you know,
fell victim to the crack air. My mother, you know,
had her own home and content. She didn't fall victim
to the crack air. So I look at my foundation

(29:26):
and things to keep me going, staying in school, and
obviously my mom goes to the FEDS. Right when I'm
a teenager. My father got a lot of kids. He's
trying to take care of the house, you know. And
it was just a small moment of time that I
was able to slip off end of selling drugs, which
kind of created my level of street life. And I

(29:46):
look at his life and realized to myself, like, yo,
he never had a chance. So I don't care how
successful I How could I help him aspirationally, Like if
I can't reach out, like shout out to my homeboy, Snoopy.
My homeboy Junior Junior right now got about ten years
in prison, one of my closest homeboys. He my young homeboy,

(30:08):
and we're talking. We're texting every day.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
They have a tablet in there. He's using a tablet
and I'm like, man, what you're gonna do when you
come home? He's like, man, I don't know. Now. Mayu
Junior is working on forty. He not quite forty, but
he's working on forty. To me, that's the Milton Hershey thing,
like what drives me to get better at what we do? Right,
king in his music industry and trying to redefind it
is the first time my homeboy. Look, Jay came on.

(30:33):
Jerome came on from prison after doing fifteen years. He's
back in prison now. But Jerome aka scaff Right Scavenger,
Look Jay, he comes home and he needs a career.
He doesn't need a job. He needs a career to
keep him busy, to keep him into things. Because again,
he was raised by his grandparents. You know that it's

(30:55):
a separation of time. It's harder for grandparents to stay
on kids, like it's hard for my mom and dad
had to stay on their grandkids. You know, that's why
you know my sister Edon is so important that she
got to stay on them. So nothing I did aspirationally
helps scab or look, you know, drown. Nothing I can
do aspirationally is going to help Moto rest is soul. Nothing.

(31:18):
In real time, it didn't matter how Sobro was. It
didn't matter if I was making money, It didn't matter
none of that stuff, because his problems was his problems.
The only thing that could have helped him if I
had a fucking factory and they could say, hey man,
you know at this time, hey Moto, I can give
you sixty thousand dollars a year at a time in watch,
you can get a house and watch for ninety thousand dollars. Right,

(31:40):
that's a seven hundred dollars mortgage payment at that time. Right,
he could have had five thousand dollars a month before taxes,
maybe forty one hundred or thirty nine hundred at of
the taxes, we could have bought a house and moved
on with his life. Same thing for little Jay Junior
right now, Junior, who's like I said, he's like, I
don't know what I'm gonna do, right, because he dedicated
so much much time. And that is what being a

(32:05):
great human is all about. It's not about me personally
going out making a bunch of money that I don't need.
It means how you take care of other humans. Same
conversation that we've had often, right, being humane is caring
for other humans. And these are three certain homies. They
all three different. Junior situation is different than Little J situation,

(32:27):
lit J Jeronskaff his situation was different than Moto situation.
But aspirational don't help shit nothing, And I gotta figure
it out because he's probably three years in counting. Feel
me like on what to do. People can't understand why
you feel tasked by that. That's what hip hop or

(32:48):
gangbang it really is. It's the burden of humans. That's
what being a good human is. It's the burden of humans.
So when I watch America or you know, it empowers
the elite to say, hey, you know, make your money
how you want. We want to open up a global economy,
and you trade on you trade in people having to
be good to who lives next door to them for

(33:11):
their own personal aspiration of world conquests and world conquests
and economics and they could just go to China and
take advantage of some other people when you just outlawed
the same thing in this country. It just seems counterproductive,
if that, If that makes sense, forgive me for that.
Hella not true.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
It's a past the buck kind of approach, just passing
the buck.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Huh. Yeah, And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
China's economy is not the most transparent, so I really
don't know as much about it as i'd want to
to make the assessments that I want to make. Like,
I know, they have the weaker thing going on, and
that's pretty brutal. Their entire manufacturing economy is not the

(34:08):
weakers and they have pulled a lot of people out
of I mean, that was a poor, poor, poor country.
They were too poor to feed their people in the fifties,
Like they lost eighty million people, Like they were poor.
So they've they've had some growth trajectory, but still, I mean,
like I think they're a little over twenty trillion as

(34:29):
a GDP for their country. Their population is a little old,
that's about one point what three or four trillion, So
I think they're like.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I got at they don't have a treating people here.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Sorry, billion I'm sorry, trillions and billions.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
In the field because because I got to stay up moment,
you fucking mynds you changed that. Yah, they had a
lot of kids. If you think about all of those countries, uh, China, India,
it's those are really poor or places, but a lot
of them are lifting the country out of those type

(35:06):
of devastations through industry. True, Yet we sold our industry out, like,
except the America is okay. So there's one part of America, right,
the elite benefiting economically, and then the regular every day American. Right,
they're like just getting a cheaply made, cheaply priced product. Yeah,

(35:28):
Like I was telling King, we made we made a
deal for this merch piece that we were about to
drop for the single, right for the single that's about
to come out in a couple of weeks, and like
my whole thing, Like I told King, Like, the original
price of this jacket was like one hundred dollars, right,
that was the price because I thought we was gonna
be in a jacket forty fifty dollars, right, We end

(35:49):
up probably be in a jacket a little less than
forty dollars. So I'm like, we don't need to make
fifty dollars, so we're gonna pass the savings. You know,
we're gonna pass the savings on to the customer. That's
I believe in it. I didn't look at it like, Okay,
well we might be in the jacket now instead of
forty and fifty bugs. We might be in a jacket's
thirty dollars, but now we're gonna make seventy dollars. It's like, no,

(36:09):
we could let the price of the jacket now to
seventy five or eighty five dollars.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Sure, And typically, I mean usually that's how things work.
I mean, like retail has what about a like a
three x markup. It's kind of industry standard, but it's
very competitive. So if you have something that's like if
some of these ties specific, like the glasses of Alone brand,
you're not price competing against somebody else's glasses of Alone brand,

(36:35):
you know what I mean. So it's a different consideration.
But yeah, I know what you mean. Like one thing's interesting,
like something we talk about like India and China and whatnot.
Before a lot of this transition was we're gonna I
think a lot of people believed it's fine, we'll just
move into more of a of an information economy. Yeah,

(37:01):
we'll even be on service there, like a technology based economy.
Remember I think it was Hillary Clinton kind of got
a little razz a little bit. This might have been
eight in the primary against Obama. I can't remember memories,
I I could, But the whole learn to code thing, Yeah,
we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna shut down coal plants and
you'll lose all your jobs, but you'll learn the code.

(37:22):
Which if you said to somebody who's forty five years
old and we're gonna coal mine for twenty years, that's
just unbelievable. But there was a surge in programmers and
demand on shore in the United States, and they were
paying a lot of money. And how do we respond
to that by bringing in tens of thousands of H
one B visas from India to come and bring that

(37:44):
price right the fuck back down and take the jobs.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
But and then it's also weird, like you'll call a company, bro,
and you'll ask to speak to an operator, and you
could tell the it's somewhere cheap, but.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
They always have American names and lie about it. That's
that's really finny Otho. This is Gerald but they'll have
like their access. They'll say like like the most like
like America, not like l Pool. Your name is not Gerald,
Yeah it's Danesh. Come on, you're Dennis Danesh. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I just want to know. It's just so clear that
this country is said, you know what's funny, shout out
to my old g homies.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Look, again, I hear a lot of rumors about Game
mag and I always try to clear it that for
people with everybody's being then asshole and they think they
know even though I'm a gang member, I'm like a
real gang member. I'm a real game member that socialized
with a lot of gang members to this day. For
me again, so it's like I don't think people understand, like,
you know, you can go eat breakfast with gang members,
you know what I mean. You play chess, you know,

(38:57):
people build cars. Everybody's not just stealing pursons or murdering people.
It's very much people that grew up in their community.
And I just was thinking to myself, like, man, my
homies had a great idea with the economy when it
came to hustling. You bought your product right from one

(39:19):
of your older homies and then you sold it right there.
The dollar recycled in the seven two or three times
before it left. That's why our economy was so great.
And it didn't start to fall the power until people
started going around the older homies trying to buy from
somebody else to save some money, when they didn't realize

(39:41):
this is what powers the economy. There was a time
bro seventh Street crypt might have one hundred hundred and
fifty people. That was a time that was thirty low riders.
Like you know there's big sixties at that time didn't
have thirty low riders. It's a thousand of the motherfuckers
six old did not have thirty low riders. We had
low riders. That's how great our economy did. That's why

(40:04):
my respect from my older homie Pluck is so grand.
He was actually a really great kind of president of
the community. That don't mean nothing because he had homies
that had as much power, but he did a better
job of running it that way. And I realized why, like, yeah,
I could go get this gallon of shrine from this
dude from Grave Street for seventy five hundred, and Pluck
is gonna charge me eighty five hundred. But guess what,

(40:26):
that extra thousand stay right on the seven. He gonna
create other opportunities for other homies who not hustling. He'll
put money on other homies books. It made sense. Why
don't Americans get the same thought? Because shit kills me?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Because anymore, because because we'll buy anything. It would be
the equivalent to if the consumers of the products from
the seven just didn't give a shit, if shut his
stuff was water down and crappy and just bought it
from the other side of croosis, just said, fuck it,
five dollars cheaper over there it's shitty. Who cares. We'll

(41:04):
just buy a shitty shit and lots of it. But what.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Where'd that mentality come from? Though? Like would build that mentality, you.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Know in the years where you're willing to buy you know,
subpar ship from somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I think people, if something is so good and it's
expensive and you can't afford it, that's like it internally troubling,
you know what I mean, that's a hard pill to swallow.
Someone else has a thing it's really nice. I'd love
to have that thing.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I just can't get it. So you can buy the
next best team, So.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
You'd buy the second best thing. Yeah okay, and there's
always going to be more people than they can afford
the second best thing than the best thing. And then
before you know what, the people who got the best
thing or got the money for the best thing, you
know something. And I think that's fine, now I got it.
I'll get that. I'll save the money. And then the
guy makes the nicest thing goes out of.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Business because then the trend thing kicks in.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, like, look at the American car. Look at how
great the American sedan was in nineteen sixty five and
how shitty the American sedan was in nineteen eighty five
after the camera came and changed the market.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And it's funny because when you go to Germany, Bro,
everybody has a bands because you can't like it. It's
like a cheap car.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
You can't sell anything except German cars in Germany.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
I mean, you couldn't any American cars. You're right, Yeah,
they've been talking about that. It's a triple digit tariff
on US autobiles to Germany.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Oh that's why when you go to Japan, the only
people who have American cars are low riders. They're paying
the luxury tax.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
To have it, yeah, or they're buying them really really
cheap and redoing them so that the teriff doesn't matter,
or they're buying.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I don't know how they they're buying it from the streets,
so they Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Said, it's different when it's private party than than yeah, business.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
But you don't see American cars in Japan. I didn't
see American cars.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, Japan has a has a two hundred plus I
think percent tariff on American cars very high.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
But like that's crazy, But so how do so is
the freedom the prisoner at that point that we think
is freedom in is? Like how does that make sense?
Like like I could, like I want to ask my dad,
like what it was like for him. My dad probably
got his driver license in sixty five, maybe even sixty.

(43:51):
He would have been fifteen and sixty two, so sixty
three he was sixteen. I wonder how many import cars
were on the road in nineteen sixty three, leadership.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I don't even think compared to like luxury American sedans.
I don't even think Mercedes were that nice at that time.
It pretty much would have been just Rolls, Royce Bentley
and then Ferrari and Porsche.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
But like Now you don't even if you walk outside
your house and you walk on your street and you count,
you're going to count less domestic cars right far.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Shit, the domestic cars are being built overseas with just
American tag on it.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, they put the windshield on here and call it
an American car.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
You look at the engine parts and stuff they say
made from always over there.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Sure, and even a lot of the assembly is done
in Mexico.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
They just put on the doors.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Here, but it's made in America because that's of America.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
A lot of these big countries now are from people
in Japan and China that we think of American companies
are no longer even American companies no more. Your parent
companies is in Japan and other countries.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Hello Kentucky Fried Chicken. Yeah, I'm just say owned by
young brands out of Japan.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
You know, a lot of these places that people think
of American tradition now hasn't been for years. Sure, so
they're not trying to put the money back in America
if you look at it, If you look at it
that way, they're not worried about the American economy in
that sense.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, they're just using it so they don't care what
they do.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Just burn it up and they gone, Yeah, I think
there's a lot of stuff that could reasonably be Like
it feels like a cell phone assembly. People don't want
to sit there and you know, micro assemble circuit boards
all damn day. Fine, we could sure shit make gorilla glass.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
You got a prisoner's peak that would do that with
cell phones all day.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
You aren't allowed to have cell phones in prison, I thought.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
I mean, but no, they got you know, you could
build things in prison. They got factories that you could
build stuff in prison. Now security may be up, but
you could build things. Prisoners is building furniture and stuff.
Will they take all those programs out of the prisons? Then, well,
who else got a building? Now they send it out
of the country. Cheap is cheap as the prisoner. You know,

(46:29):
they take it from a cheap prisoner building it by
saying it's in humane and all this crazy stuff they say.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
In another kind.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, do you think in your opinion that if the
cost benefit analysis are consideration, so to speak, for being
in prison as an inmate, that the opportunity to acquire
a marketable skill but having to actually do work while

(46:58):
you're in there. Is that a good trade off in
your or you think that it's a shitty trade off
when you're in there.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
So trade off.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
They don't work to get a skill in prison, for sure, Okay,
you know, the question is the opportunity once they get out.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
So who the fuck was advocating against that for all
those years and saying it's inhumane to have them in
there working. It's just a bunch of it's it's like,
that's like a bunch of stupid, like fictitious do gooders
who just want to like.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Well it was ap.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
What it was was the benefit of working because they
exactly like if you take those jobs from prisoners, people
on the outside would get them. But it's still the
neighborhoods they sent them out of the country, gotcha, gotcha? Well.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Also also they were saying that they were working for
so cheap. It was like you're in jail, you feel me,
so like to me, like that made the most sense, right,
It's like you.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Create internship around college.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I thought it was about Hey, it was you know,
I mean I saw I saw complaints on outside about
the pay at that time.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Now that's what I'm saying,
those type of thing titious do gooders.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I'm saying think about it, though, King, Like,
you learn a trade in jail, you're able to come
out and get a career. Wouldn't that be kind of
close to rehabilitation.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I mean, what reality is if I wanted to go
to a trade school and not get paid to do work,
I would be paying then.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
In Washington State, I was like one of the last
part of rehabilitation where they let us go to school
and everything, college and everything. And I was the last
year where the citizens like, you're paying for their school
and you're giving them pail grants, you're doing all that
for them in prison.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
And that's where they cut the rehabilitation off at gotcha,
what year was that about?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Oh, Jeseuz gonna tell my age about nineteen two thousand
around there, ninety eight two thousand.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Your age.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
But that's about the time period where they started talking
about not rehabilitation because they're wasting all this money. They're
supposed to be punishment. It's supposed to be punishment, you know.
So when he was getting jobs, when it was getting
the education and rehabilitation when we came out. The studuma
now was you're at felon. Yeah, so it didn't matter
what you did inside prison. The chances of getting a

(49:13):
good job when you got out was neil. It's different nowadays,
but back in the days when the transition from rehabilitation
to punishment, it didn't offer nobody a chance when they
got out.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Isn't that funny that it's harder now when there's no
rich like now they don't matter, but now they're not
gonna teach you nothing, you know what I mean. People
go to jail, like my homeboy going to jail for years,
and like he's not going to have an opportunity to
learn a livable ways trade where he can make a living.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Yeah, that's pittiful, But we don't worry about that because
we were about them sending people out of here to
other prisons.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
That's what trists me out. You know what's funny, man,
The thing that this country was established on, they figured
out a way to turn it into what they were
trying to not turn it into in the same instance,
but they were able to turn it into it right here,

(50:11):
you know what I mean? With these sets of rules
like the government, like your forefathers fought for this not
to be a country like the country that they left,
you know what I mean, where it was hard to
change the stars, where you had to be what you were.
But now they're because the elite are at the top,
they're ruling so hard and they want to just keep

(50:33):
you know, their goal is to keep just financially destroying,
getting money right, just going, going going. Now they're just
they're trying to import people.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You gotta realize, real estate in America, like California, is
so bad. It's mainly because people coming into this country,
like you're competing with different families, multiple families sometimes to
get one house. So guess what, it makes it hard
for you to change your stars because now everything becomes

(51:08):
this ridiculous who will work for the cheapest and who
will pay the most? Right, So you know who's going
to pay the cheapest, right, who's who don't mind getting
paid the less the least, right, and then who will
pay the most for this house? So they turned it
into the actual country they were running away from when
they came here in the first place. They're making it

(51:29):
to where now is. That's why the middle class is
being like obliviated like it's over because obliterate, excuse me,
is over because it's like you're what's like the broke
and wealthy. That's what's happening.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
And that's yeah, and that's Europe, which is a I've
referred to Europe as a bastion of mediocrity, maybe not
on here, but many times. And there isn't a lot
of vertical mobility. And again, disruptors come from the middle class.
They have enough know how, enough understanding, enough resources, and

(52:08):
they have the hunger. I mean, it's not always the
rich guy's kid who redefines some industry.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Rarely is it the rich guy's kid.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's it's not a guy who lives thirty minutes away.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
And it's tougher for a poor person because they don't
believe they could do it. So it's when you it's
so what happens is it's that that factory worker's kid
who goes on to college, right, that that factory worker
in the fifties and sixties who sacrifice their own dreams
to take care of their family, get their kid through college.
That kid is the guy that's changed, that changed America.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
It's describes Steve Jobs a guy stand's parents' house was
a modest looking house in the Bay Area. It wasn't
on the water, it was in the valley. And he
started the company is parents' garage.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
So is that so is he hating what his parents do,
looking down like his parents worked in that factory.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Now he's looking down at that as like, I don't
want to be like my parents working in the factory.
That it is just a hunger to exceed.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
And I think there's also a lot of it is
And I don't know if it's always Apple's competing against Google.
And these are hyper performers, like hyper achievers, so they're
extremely competitive. They're really good at what they do. These
aren't everyday people. There's why there's only a couple hundred

(53:39):
of them. But I'm not positive if it's an obsession
to be the best in competing against the other company
and ramifications be damned, or if it's and it does
look like this in a lot of ways. You get
a lot of strategic corporate partnerships or whatever I've said. Now, California,

(54:01):
in my life, I would define it as a barrier
of entry. Economy. Yeah, a bunch of w in a
lot of money. It's not a lot of great ideas.
I mean, there's a handful of great ideas in one
little spot. Other than that, there's not a ton of
great ideas happening. It's just I made a bunch of money.
I want to secure my assets from possible loss of value.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
So what was promised to people to leave to get
them out the factory to go to school or something
like that? Because we're talking about the industrial age being
one of the greater times where people had the chance
to get a job, get enough paid to buy a house,
and make kids to college.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
So what stop people for one to do industry and
go and shut them down.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, they close a lot of them, and then I
think they stigma it too.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I see what you saying. So the wealthy person who
started the industry right realize they can get even wealthier
if they outsourced the work based off of certain loans,
certain things being brought down.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
So before before America was incentivized to build here, Americans
were incentivized to buy American, they were incentivized it would
have been hard to import things, right. That would have
been a really different challenge probably thirty forties, fifties, sixties.
That would have been a different type of task, right

(55:19):
versus so American. You know, even the wealthy American were
incentivized to build here. It wasn't this concept of free
pray that was so free. And when they opened it up.
You go around, obviously you see places like China, you know,
and again, this is why I kind of worry about

(55:40):
being as wealthy as I'm about, like as we're about
to get, right, is when you get wealthy, it seems
like you start to pray on people. Like you either
really poor and you pray on people, or you're really wealthy.
I always say, poor people and wealthy people are exactly alike.
They're not really different at all when you really get
into it, but start to pray on people, so imagine

(56:01):
you're going to kind of write like Pete just described
when they just had this this this mass hunger, you know,
deaf people dying of starvation, you know what I mean.
And you could go over here and set up businesses
where you can pay people like a recording guardist fractions
on a cent for hours of work. Right, you could

(56:23):
pay them fractions of a cent per hour to work
on things because they're starving. And the one barrier shipping
it here, the tax you would have to pay getting
it here. Those are the barriers they have already passed quality.
They these people are not incentivized to become you know,

(56:44):
great at building this stuff. They can't even you know,
they don't make more money in China. It's not that
type of program. They have a communist society, they don't.
It's not incentivized by that. So they just build things
to the minimum standard. Right. But in the fifties and sixties, right, King,
you could go to China and or Indian you could
see these economies in Mexico. Mexico is a third world country,

(57:06):
was to until win is it still one? Now it's passing.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
I would describe that as being still true.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Now, Okay, So it's like you can go to places
where people don't have a ton of opportunity and hire
them ford try to.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
You can hire them, yeah, and imagine what you're.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Gonna pay them. You could teach them, King and pay
them a fraction of what you're gonna pay Americans for it.
And in the in the tear flaw that you had
to import, right, that shit was it was nothing void.
You were almost incentivized to go out and take advantage
of other people and then seem like they're blessing. It's

(57:46):
like if somebody is thirsty, right, Like you go to
somewhere where somebody's dying of thirst and you piss in
their mouth, You still a hero.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, that's camping on a broken bitch, the hero.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Dirty water in the desert probably tastes like Fiji. It
was all the broke bits upfeat broken.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yes, yeah, you find some broken, abused, cast out bitch
for the work. You got a nicer place to stay now.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
But you could always catch yourself on the back publicly
for that. Yeah, and people like only to a mind
like mine, you look like a hero. But that was
the leak that did that. What about the poor people
that can't see that? How do you get them to
see this? They didn't have anything to do with it.
They just came to the factories one day and the
factories were shut down.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
And part of it also like just to be like
well rounded on the on the math you started getting
and like you know how you see it now with
like government pensions, like like the California teachers, like cowpers
pension stuff and the way that that's straining the budget.
So you get a pension contract let's say it's ten

(58:56):
years and then it contracts up, so the union has
to show up for the employees and they got to
raise you know, the shit, or we're gonna strike or
whatever else. Well, it becomes a lot easier to play
kick the can down the road by saying we're gonna
give you a three percent raise, but we're gonna increase
your pension benefits by whatever, or your healthcare benefits in

(59:19):
retirement by whatever. So it's gonna be expensive later but
cheaper now, but we're gonna give you these these benefits. Well,
when later shows up, you have this ballooning of your
cost of labor because some of it's not even active
labor by that point in time. So now it's not
like the government. The government can borrow money differently, it

(59:41):
can prove it's a whole different party for the public sector.
But a lot of that does happen. I mean, like
I remember before, I remember they had a when they
did the GM bailout. I think the real cost for
GM per line worker was something like ninety dollars an hour.
Now they weren't seeing the ninety dollars, but the cost

(01:00:05):
their labor budget divided by line workers actually working employed
at the time was ninety dollars an hour. That's an
awful lot for Schetty Cruz.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
What was they actually seeing when they wasn't seeing the ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I don't know, depend on their contract to go back
and do the math. But I mean, you figure you're
paying in your salary, your assurance and your pension contributions,
and then some of that also is you have to
keep up payments for retirees and they're you know, what's
due to them. So yeah, it was like we got
very expensive for some of these companies. So that's that's

(01:00:48):
also part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
You know, shit just is irritating me. And I'm sure
somewhere along the line the American government, So I have
to find somebody that's in the politics and the history
of politics. I probably know the right person, but I
don't think they're up on business, but I know who
to ask. So America either had to start over taxing

(01:01:12):
people right in this country, like Peter saying, where certain
things will happen in the fifties and sixties. So I
don't know what happened first. Did the American government starts saying, okay,
we need to start getting more money out of you
or did they realize it made more sense to go
out of the country and advantage the cheap labor, or
did they happen somewhere at the same time simultaneously. What

(01:01:33):
do you mean then, what was the true motivation? We
have to figure that out. Well, what's the question? If
the questioner so like government? Like let's say you own
a GM factory, your General Motors. You have a GM
factory in Detroit in nineteen fifties. What happens first is
the American government saying, hey, you know what, we need

(01:01:55):
more money out of UGM for this factory. Or is it, hey,
you know what, we've been to China. There's a greater
opportunity to make money. What happened first?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
What happened was like that industry taxes really have come
down since Kennedy. I mean they've they've in general, there
have been you know, ebbs and flows, but in general
they've come down a lot, as far as the minutia
of exemptions and right off and whatever else. But in
general they've come down. But the total revenue of the

(01:02:27):
government has gone up because the economy has grown. So
a million times five is better than one hundred thousand
times ten. But they had again because we don't tear
if like other countries. So you get not just like

(01:02:49):
what I was saying with there's a lot of unions
out there, you know, so that and that does manipulate
the job market.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
And that has been like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
The parasite that killed the host in a lot of cases.
That's not a fake thing. That happened. That started to
those chickens started to come home to roost right around
the same time that the Chinese, that the Japanese automobile
became introduced to the marketplace. And you can't have a
seismic reassessment of consumer retail price expectation at the same

(01:03:29):
time that you're going to have to deal with a
seismic reconsideration of labor costs upward first downward. That's that
is suicide.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
So you're saying like that, like the unions and stuff
helped make it easier for GM or somebody like that
to say, well we'll go out the country.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Then hey, I would say made it easier. They made
it necessary. Oh okay, I mean it was kind of
like your only choice. It was like, well, we're not
going to continue to sell our cars at thirty five
k in nineteen eighty two, Whatever the hell the price
would have been to have the same quality of car
when the cameras coming in and then Honda Accord is

(01:04:08):
coming in or whatever the hell, and they're selling them
at eight grand. There's probably was eighteen to eight Reerever
the hell the number one. We're gonna have to drive
the price of our Sedana way down. And I don't
think there's really enough corners to cut.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
And the American people screw themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
In some ways. Yeah, I mean, is it better if
you're a family of four to have one really nice
Chevy and Paula or two Honda Accords?

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