November 13, 2025 • 52 mins
On Thu.'s No Dunks, Skeets talks with Oren Weisfeld about his new book 'The Golden Generation: How Canada Became a Basketball Powerhouse,' the Raptors' start, and the international twist to the All-Star Game. That, plus Nikola Jokic scores 50+ points finally in a win, OKC shuts down the Lakers, Steph Curry turns into Tim Duncan, numerous injuries, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Good mornings, we were and welcome to the Nodunks Podcast,
presented by Fan Duel. It's Thursday, November thirteenth, twenty twenty five.
I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory and alongside
me or over Yonder making the magic happened, super producer JD.
There he is.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, hello, there we go. Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Just the two of us today, the two of us.
That's right. Later on we're gonna discuss some of last
night's big games, big performances. But first we do have
a special guest joining us. Orin Wisfeld is a writer
based in Toronto, Canada, and he covers Canadian hoops and
he's got his debut book out, The Golden Generation, How
(00:46):
Canada Became a Basketball Powerhouse. It's out now go buy
it link in the show notes. I really enjoyed this book.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Or In.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Good morning, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Good morning, Thanks, thanks for having me excited to be here.
Get some more can Con onto the show. I know
it was always I know it was always a priority
for you guys. So yeah, I've been following the show
ever since the starters' days, and it's really cool to
be here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
So yeah, well, I appreciate it. Congratulations on the new book.
This is the untold story I guess of Canada men's
basketball from Steve Nash's breakthrough at the Sydney Olympics in
two thousand to then unfortunately decades of sort of struggle
and some controversy and missed opportunity. But they're back now.
(01:34):
I first want to ask you, when did you start
formulating the idea for this Gold and Generation book.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, so, like I started covering the Raptors in about
twenty eighteen, mostly for a blog called Raptors Republic, which
I'm sure you're familiar. Oh yeah, It's produced a lot
of great people in the industry, and I kind of
started going to games and seeing more and more Canadians
in the league each and every season we're all stars
and more guys playing themsels. I really wanted to learn,
(02:11):
like we Canadians in the league at any given time,
and all of a sudden, there was you know, ten
twenty and twenty five to start this season, right, So
I wanted to learn why that huge spike, Why had
all of a sudden happened, And at the same time,
I wanted to kind of square that with what was
happening with the national team. You know, I went to Victoria,
BC in twenty twenty one, which was when they lost
(02:32):
to the Czech Republic in that Olympic qualifying tournament, and
I kept up with their struggles and I wanted to know, like,
how come Canada was having so much success at the
grassroots level but at the same time the national team
was struggling so much. And that's kind of how the
idea for the book came to be. And when Canada
beat Spain and qualified for the Olympics for the first
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time in twenty four years, that's when I kind of
knew I had a book.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, it's a great idea because I remember, and I
said before on the show, I was in Australia during
the two thousand Olympics. I wasn't in Sydney, but I
was there and when Canada, led by Steve Nash, was
making some noise, winning some games, like obviously, I was
pumped and it felt like here we go. You know,
Canada basketball is on the rise. And then it is
(03:19):
wild that it took what'd you say, twenty four years
for them to get back to the international, biggest stage, right,
And this is what this book is exploring sort of
what went wrong over two decades when it looked like
they were there or on the precipice of being there.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And like the name of the book, the Golden Generation,
it also refers to obviously it's referring to the generation
of Canadians in the NBA today, the best we've ever had,
but it's also referring to, like I don't know if
you remember this, but back in two thousand, they called
that team the Golden Generation, So like, the people have
been so desperate for this golden age of Canadian hoops
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dating back, you know, three decades now that that name
has been repeated each generation again and again, and I
just I found it kind of funny and I kind
of found that it showed the desperation that the country
had for so long. But I also, you know, wanted
to explain in this book how each generation built off
the next to get to where we are today.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So for those that don't know, who did you talk
to for this book? And then the second follow up
to that is, was there a favorite player or person
that you got to do an interview and sit down
with about this book?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, So I talked to you know, it took almost
two years.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I talked to about one hundred people, you know, of
a bunch from that two thousand team, dating all the
way up to this twenty twenty four Olympic squad. I
spoke to ten of the twelve members of that team.
So I tried to get a good segment of the
population between you know, Team Canada players and coaches and
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also people at the grassroots level who have kind of
been building this thing up. In terms of a favorite
interne there was there was a lot, but I would
say like Steve Nash sticks out because it took a
while to get him and he was one of my
very last interviews, and I think he really helped bring
that kind of section of the book together obviously, And
(05:15):
you know, I wanted to ask him a lot of
questions that people have been wondering and that there was
always rumors about, but that you couldn't kind of hammer down.
And that was part of the idea for the whole book,
was to be able to ask these athletes, like specifically,
how come you stop playing for the national team? You know,
for a guy like like Steve Nash, like how come
after two thousand and three that was really it for him,
(05:36):
and you know, he explained to me that getting to
the Olympics was really his goal. En after that he
wanted to focus on his NBA career and see what
he could do there, and obviously he made the most
of it. So, yeah, that's an interview that for sure,
I'll remember.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You also talked about racism in Canada basketball, in the
organization mainly I guess in the eighties and into the nineties.
How much did you know a out that beforehand before
you started researching and writing this book, because to me,
you know, I was naive. I didn't know any of this.
So it was really enlightening and I think it does
explain maybe why there was these like down years because
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they weren't having the best talent play for the squad.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, and I'll answer the question.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But even like the down years going into the two thousands,
and we ask about guys like Andrew Wiggins and guys
who Jamal mcglore, who didn't play as much as maybe
what we would have liked, and people failed to realize
how history really plays a role in that, how these
people's parents and uncles and all that grew up. When
the national team was looked at to be frank as
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a joke, like people didn't respect the.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Way that they were doing things, and race was a
part of it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Resources were also a part of the lack of performance,
staff not treating the players right in so many ways.
But yeah, in the eighties and nineties, there was only
a handful of black players to ever play on the
teams that went to represent Canada internationally at an Olympics
or World Championship, and players felt that there was racial
bias in the selection process. And I detail exactly what
(07:08):
happened in the book, but suffice to say I talked
to like fifty to twenty players who felt like that
was the case, who felt like they weren't getting a
fair chance. And this isn't like a case of one
player having you know, sour grapes because he didn't make
the team right. It's a systemic issue of many, many
players feeling like the coaches, the executives at Canada Basketball
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didn't understand how the kind of nexus of power was
shifting from the West coast of Canada to the East
coast of Canada to immigrants primarily from the West Indies
who moved to Toronto and Montreal and Halifax and who
played a style that just the national team didn't want
to fit into its style. And so that's where those
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those programs, those problems really stemmed from it. To answer
your question, I knew nothing about it even when I
pitched the book.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Even when I pitched the book and got it accepted
and everything wasn't a part of the plan. But when
I started doing research, I started to come up upon it,
and then I started to talk to the players. But
unfortunately the Canadian media did the readers, you know, a
lack of justice there. There's really not a lot of
literature from the time about these issues, and for whatever reason,
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people didn't cover it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, was there a player or a story or a
chapter that didn't make the final cut for this book
that you wished maybe had or you'd planned on it,
but it just didn't fit in the end.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, I did a chapter on Quebec that I really
would have liked to get in there, because, as you know,
like Quebec is having this boom similar to what Ontario
had maybe ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And right now we have a new player.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
In the NBA from Montreal, jimil Telford, who's playing on
the Clippers. But then there's Ben Mathrin, There's Omax Prosper,
there's another one.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
There's Chris Bouchet.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Right, So all of a sudden, Quebec started producing all
these NBA players and I want to explain their story.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It has this race component and it also has this
language component, which it makes it super complicated and whatnot.
And I didn't end up fitting it into the story
because it didn't really fit the narrative of like the
national team, in part because Quebec players haven't been well
represented there.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So it got cut.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I am writing a story now for Mason Web magazine
about using those same interviews because I wanted to share
that story. But yeah, that was a big one that
was hard to cut.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah. One guy, I guess with Montreal ties or Quebec ties,
I should say Haitian Canadian Samuel Dallenbart. There's a small
part in this book. Can you please share for the
listener and J werey here what happened? I guess between
Dalen Beart and I guess it was Jay Treano, the
head coach. Leo Rautin's the head coach at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, definitely one of the funniest stories of the book.
I appreciated Leo for his honestyeth during during the time
that I interviewed him, and yeah, I mean, so what
happened was in the two thousands, Canada Basketball and Leo Routins,
who was running the program, they were desperate for talent
because Jamal mcglure wasn't playing and Steve Nash wasn't playing,
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and those were two Canadians in the league. So Canda
Basketball went out and they helped Samuel Dallenberg get his
Canadian citizenship because he grew up in Montreal.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
He was born in Haiti, but he grew up in Montreal.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And what happened was he joined the team and in
his first tournament, I think two thousand and seven, he
played really well. He let them in like points, rebounds
and like field goal percentage and you know, having an
NBA center it really helps the national team.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So he was great and he had some.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Weird moments where he was away from the team, but
they didn't really care because they were winning. And so
they get to this qualifying tournament in Athens, Greece in
two thousand and eight, which kind of was like the
big get for Leo reuns when he got hired in
two thousand and five. Everyone expected them to get to
the Olympics in two thousand and eight, and at this tournament,
Dallon Bear just kind of started being a recluse. He
(11:01):
started hanging out with his friends, He started showing up
to practices and film sessions late and falling asleep during
them because he had went out the night before. And
all this stuff started happening, and so Leo kind of
confronts him about it on the bus and he's like
talking to him about it, and Dallon bearr. They start
going at each other and Dallon Barr says something to
(11:21):
the like of like, you guys need me, And then
Leo says, let me tell you straight, there's not a
single game we haven't won or we've won.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
That we wouldn't have been able to win without you.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And basically after that he told him to get off
the bus, go get his stuff, and get out of there.
And in the middle of this tournament, Canada had caught
their starting center and they went and they had to
play Korea that same day, and they somehow come from
behind and they beat Korea. But then a couple of
days later they lose to I think Croatia and they
got sent home.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So that was the say to the national team at
that time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, man, what it is like this almost like feel
bad for like the Leo Routins or the people running
Canada basketball back in the day, because like, you want
to appease these NBA guys or your superstar players to
some extent because you want the talent, you want to
have a chance, you want to make these big international turns.
But then there's this other flip side of like, come on,
we're all in this together. You're making yourself bigger than
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the other guys in the program. It's like, oh, man,
I didn't envy maybe some of those coaches and people
in charge in those sort of dark days, if you
want to call them that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, Leo.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Leo definitely had a really difficult time, and so did
Jay Triano when he took back over the team in
twenty eleven, and a lot of the decisions they made
sounded right at the time, and they made have been
right at the time, honestly getting that NBA talent, getting
it at no matter what the cost was, creating double
standards for NBA guys to kind of come whenever they
(12:51):
wanted and have whatever hotel rooms or flights they might
have wanted.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But when you look at the history, I think those
decisions ended up.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Really backfiring and they really end up hurting the national
team in the long run by setting these kind of
dangerous precedents where NBA players specifically looked at the national
team as this thing that they could kind of show
up whenever they saw fit.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You did already allude to this, but the lack of
funding for Canada basketball was a tough hurdle to get
over for many years too. Lackluster amenities or travel or
food or even support staff, all of these things. What
do you think helped get Canada basketball sort of over
that and a little more money coming in. Was it,
quite frankly, Steve Nash getting involved in picking up phones
(13:36):
and trying to get sponsors or was there other things?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, so I did explain how that was the big one.
When Steve Nash came to the program as a general
manager in twenty twelve, still playing on the Lakers at
the time, he really helped back this kind of fundraising
that they did just by getting on the phones with
you know, Canadian millionaires and explaining why this money would
be useful when Steve Nash got on the phone with you,
(14:00):
I think it helps open up those wallets. The other thing,
and this is more relevant in the recent decade, is
corporate Canada. You know, for so long, corporate Canada was
reluctant to fund basketball because hockey, it was this safe thing.
It kind of resembled Canadian values and identity, and they
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didn't have the imagination, in my opinion, to see how
basketball could do similar things, could unite Canadians, could unite
specifically new Canadians, you know, immigrants who saw basketball as
a more welcoming sport than hockey. Only in the last
five ten years, I think as corporate Canada kind of
seen the potential that sports like soccer and basketball can
have and opened up their wallets in that regard to
(14:48):
to to you know, create these partnerships with the national
team to start giving them some money as well.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
A lot of these chapters sort of focus on one
player or maybe one area of the country. So you know,
there's a Dylan Brooks chapter for example, and you know,
you get Sga gets his own thing and stuff like that.
This all makes sense, but one of the biggest takeaways
for me and reading a lot of like the player
specific sort of chapters, is like how important the support
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of really their parents usually and people in the grassroots,
like basketball world had on all these kids, like making
it to the NBA and then making it ultimately to
play for a team Canada. Is is that fair to say?
Just like you have so many interviews with all these things.
These parents did, the money and resources they put in
in time to like make sure their kid was getting
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the best sort of basketball education they could get, and
usually a lot of the times it was leaving Canada.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right, Yeah, no, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like I think, to me, if I had to sum
up the story of this generation, it's their parents or
the people of their parents' generation, which is the two
thousand Olympic team, you know, Rowan Bear, Sherman Hamilton, Steve Nash.
I mean, let's exclude Steve Nash. But these people they
started playing basketball at a relatively late age, maybe in
high school, didn't take it too seriously, and still college
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and then they tried to get to the NBA, but
in most cases they were a bit too late, and
they went and they played overseas or they went and
they played in the NCAA, and what they did was
they brought this knowledge back to them and they started coaching,
they started working as executives, or they became parents, and
they gave this knowledge and this experience that they had
accumulated as really the first generation of Canadians to play basketball,
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they gave it to their kids.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
And that's what we're seeing in this generation. These kids
came up with.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
That knowledge, that understanding, that infrastructure that was building in
Canada to start playing at younger ages and to gain
those skills and to have competitive games. And yeah, parents
were definitely the biggest kind of.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
People in that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And if you look at our Canadians in the NBA today,
an alarming amount of them have parents who were professional
ath Yeah, a lot of them were ballers, but a
lot of them were like sprinters in case of RJ
and Shay and all these things.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So yeah, it definitely is a big part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So looking ahead here to sort of the next chapter
for senior men's national team, I guess they start World
Cup qualifiers pretty soon right in Toronto, I think in December. Yeah,
so that's going to be like you get all these
windows over like a fifteen month period across the four
FIBA regions for the qualifying looking at the team now,
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maybe not for that specific qualifying team, but when you
looked at the Paris team, and I can list it
for everyone here it's and I'll basically just do it
in alphabetical order, but Nikhil, Alexander Walker, RJ. Barrett, Kem Birch,
Dylan Brooks, Lou Dort, Melvin Egen, Sga, Trey Lyles, Jamal Murray,
Andrew Nemhard, Kelly Olennik, and Dwight Powle. That's eleven of
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the twelve that are NBA players. I want you to
project here how many of those guys are back when
we're talking the next Olympic window. What other guys would
you think be in the mix or you'd like to
see in the mix? What do you got?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Sorry about that, Mike, I just cut out for a second,
so I miss most of your question.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
If you could just do basically of the team that
we just had at the Paris Olympics, how many do
you project will be back? And maybe what other new
guys should we look to be in the mix. Like
Zach Edy, I guess is when it comes up because
of his size.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Zach EDI's an obvious one.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I think Keishawn George what he's doing in Washington. You know,
my friend Lee Ben and I just went through this
exercise for his podcast, The Canadian Basketball Show, and we
kind of did our twelve dream team players for twenty
twenty eight. We both had keisha on George starting at
the four, So wow, goes to show what we think
of him. Also goes to show the lack of players
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we have at that position, I think, and historically Ken
has been playing small with Dylan Brooks at the four,
but I think I think Keishan could be that.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Kind of missing piece.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And other than that, you know, I mentioned guys like
Brandon Clark if he gets healthy, he could be a
big player for US. Benedict Mathren I think could definitely
be a big piece on that team.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
There's gonna be tough decisions here, is what we're getting at, oh,
because they're sure like much NBA talent now that whoever
has to make this roster, you're cutting a good ten
NBA players at this point.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I mean, Shane and Sharp didn't make my team, my
twelve million team, and he might, but I'm just saying
it goes to show like there's gonna be really tough
decisions to be made. I think there were about like
seven players that we kept, you know, Shay Andrew Nemhart, RJ. Barrett, Nikiel,
Jamal Murray if he returns to play, I think could
be really big in.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
A situation where he's a little bit more healthy.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Dylan Brooks, I assume.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right, Dylan Brooks, but the big man rotation was almost
completely uh changed because guys Kelly Olenik and Dwight Powell,
Kem Burch, they're getting older and three years from now
they might not have what it takes to make that team.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I look forward to that, and I guess it's a
good problem to have for sure, that you have like
too much talent. One other thing I heard you talk
about on the Hello and Welcome podcast with our guys
was how Jay Triano was friends with Terry Fox. It
like blew my mind. They were like what grew up together?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Not exactly, it's crazy, but like when Jay Triana went
to SF you because he saw there was members of
the Canadian men's basketball team at that school, so he
went there to play basketball, and all of a sudden
the team manager was Terry Fox and that was when
he first got there. A few weeks into it was
when Terry Fox lost his leg and so he obviously
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left that position as manager and he started training very
very quickly to run across the country. But they developed
a friendship and for Jay, you know, seeing how Terry
FOXX was training, seeing him wheel his wheelchair up the
mountain there, and when Jay would be on the bus
for example, just like drove him to play harder, to
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be in the gym more. And they did like work
out together a lot as well. So super interesting can
con there for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, that's super can con for everyone out there. Before
we let you go, let's get your take on the
Raptors early start to the season. You know, had an
awesome opening night here in Atlanta. I was there repping
my Raps Jersey, feeling good as they punk the Hawks.
Then they hit a rough patch, nobody could stop anybody.
They give up a lot of points, but they've turned
it around here. What's your take right now on the Raptors. Basically,
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ten or eleven games in.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I think they're a serious team for the first time
in about four years, which is to say that they're
gonna beat up on the drags of the league because
they finally.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Have their stuff together right.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
They play a base level of defense, they move the
ball really well, they have a lot of offense talent.
I think there's a few things they have to do
to take that next step into actually getting towards the
top of the East and whatnot. But it's exciting for
Raptors fans just to be kind of this five hundred
team and I think that's kind of where they're gonna
level out. But it's exciting because there's a lot of
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talent on the team. They're pretty fun to watch because
of how they move the ball on offense and Brandon
Ingram has obviously been a really fun storyline for Raptors
fans who have been offensively starved for many, many years
to watch. And yeah, I'm enjoying it so far.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's definitely more enjoyable.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
R J.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Barrett Obviously, being Canadian, his name was in a lot
of trade rumors or a lot of people say, ah,
now that you got Ingram and you got Scottie, maybe
Barrett gets squeezed, But does it make it more difficult
him being Canadian and love being a Canadian and love
playing for the Toronto Raptors to move someone like that, maybe.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
A little bit like I remember messire Jerry a couple
of years ago when he made all the trades saying,
how you know, they wanted people in the building who
wanted to be there, and the Og trade specifically was
OG a guy who maybe had wanted a different role,
hadn't been so happy on the Raptors for RJ. Barrett,
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who obviously really embraces that, being the kind of first
Canadian to really be a star, a player, one of
the best players on the Raptors in history. So I
think it's a really fun storyline for the fans right now.
I think it does make it a little harder to
trade him, But the real thing that makes it harder
to trade him is just the fact that he's been
performing at a really high level and not having really
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run plays for him, but just kind of picking up
the scraps and finding ways to be effective. And I
think each season with RJ, you know clearly he just
keeps getting better.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And finally, before I let you go, got to get
your opinion on the forthcoming USA versus USA versus the
World All Star game format here we got some more
details recently. You're rolling, you're shaking your head. Not a
fan of this idea.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I actually am a fan of it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I just I'm not a fan of the fact that
they changed the whole Star Game every year. I'm not
a fan of the fact that, like this should have
been what they did a few years ago at the latest.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Last year.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Whatever happened last year is like the biggest joke in sports.
They went to like a I don't even know. I
don't even remember what they did.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It was so bad.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But as soon as like Sham's announced it, I was like,
this is the worst idea I've ever heard. Just do
USA versus the world? So right, I'm glad they're already
they're they're finally doing it. And uh, I mean, it
doesn't really matter if the guys don't play hard.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was gonna say, do you think maybe though this
is the next step, if this goes better, then it
hasn't passed. Uh, maybe we get like the full on
team Canada into the mix, so then we have USA, Yeah,
maybe Canada, maybe like Europe, maybe maybe we I was.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
About to say, if we get that, guys will go
hard like if it's Canada former Yugoslavia, Okay, like eure up,
then players will go really hard the world.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I'm not good. I hope so I'm.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Definitely hope so but yeah, I'm a little pessimistic. Till
we really get that nationalistic fervor going, then the players
will go hard.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, I think you're right well or in congrats again
on the book. Everybody go get it makes a great
Christmas gift, a great holiday gift. The Golden generation, how
Canada became a basketball powerhouse and listen, we obviously have
a lot of international viewers and listeners and Americans like,
you don't got to be Canadian, Okay to read this.
You're gonna learn a lot and it's sort of cool
all the guys that have like come up recently and
(25:33):
are like flourishing now in the NBA. And you learn
a lot more like we didn't get into even like
the whole Wiggans sort of chapter about him. I thought
that was eye opening, learning more of like his mo
and sort of expectations that people had for him as
this high flyer and this super athlete come on, scream
at people, dunk on people. That's like not him Anyway,
(25:54):
it is an awesome book.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Congrats again, No, I really appreciate it, and yeah, I
think people of any international basketball scene will We'll get
something out of it because it mirrors, I think what's
happening in a lot of countries also with some of
the struggles that people are having right now in terms
of developing players and prep schools popping up and all
(26:16):
this kind of nefarious stuff as well. So appreciate you
having me, and like you said, it makes for a
good holiday gift, and appreciate everyone's support.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I will say, Trey Kirby took offense to you, calling
it the Golden Generation. He's like, what golds do you have?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Many people have? Ye?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
All right, Orn, thanks so much, and we'll talk to
you soon.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Man, all right, take care, all right.
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Don't do it for me, do it for Oran. All right,
let's get into last night's NBA action. I got five notes,
I guess JD from all that went down. It was
a busy night, twelve games on my God. First note though,
is injuries. Injuries, injuries, so we got a few to
talk about here. Bradley Beal, first off, he had a
(29:10):
fracture in his left hip. He's undergoing season ending surgery.
He's out for the year. Bradley Beal just done, just
like that. Lawrence Frank, the Clippers president of basketball operations, said,
this is a very, very fluky injury, and people are
like trying to find when it happened, and I mean,
you see it when you think it occurred, and it's
(29:30):
like what he fractured his hip. It's like, holy crap,
we are getting old, aren't they, Clippers.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's me getting out of bed.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Everything I know, I know. So he's gone for the year.
This is a bad start to the Clippers season here
as they've had their injuries and guys out and now
Beal's got It's not like Beal was playing well, so
maybe him being gone the team can get back to
playing a little more defense. We'll see, but Beal's gone.
In another game last night, a couple injuries between the
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Magic and Nicks. So Palla Carol. He strained his left
groin on his twenty third birthday and he's gonna miss
the second half or he missed the second half of
the game. We'll see what the uh actual diagnosis is,
how severe it is, but that would suck to do
it on your birthday, Jay, you ever got injured on
your birthday?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Every birthday?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I get it like you got a headache.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh I get a headache. I feel like I've had
a groin injury on my birthday.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, buddy, yeah yeah, I damn straight. Oh
were you sixteen seventeen? You dirty dug. So he leaves
with the strained left groin, and then at the end,
Jalen Brunson he injured his right ankle on a drive
to the basket. There's like two minutes to go in
this game, and he was seen by multiple reporters leaving
Madison Square Garden in a walking boot and using crutches.
(30:44):
And this was the same ankle Bronson sprained last season.
He missed fifteen games, and he came back in the playoffs,
and it looked like he sometimes would like damage it again,
but he sort of like powered through that. So this
sucks again. If this is true that it's like vere
enough that he's got the walking boot and the crutches,
you assume he's gonna miss some time with an ankle.
(31:04):
It's already been buggered. But magic beat the Knicks gave
him their first home loss of the season one twenty
four to one oh seven, So Magic are maybe starting
to turn it around. Desmond Baine is at least he
had the game winner, a good game last night. Franz
Fogner had a good game. So they go into Madison
Square Garden and get the w. But all these guys
getting injured. Hopefully it's nothing too too serious with Brunson
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because that's a different team when he's not out there.
That guy and he had a great game, And I
know I saw some people saying, whoa, where's all the
hate for Mike Brown. There's two minutes left to go,
They're down like fifteen or sixteen. Why's Brunson in there?
Why is he playing? Why is he even attacking to
then step on a foot to roll an ankle. If
this was Tom Thibodau, you guys would be going nuts.
(31:47):
Maybe some truth to that, uh for sure. If it
was Tims, we would be like, what are you doing?
But again we'll wait to see with both of those injuries.
Also of note, John Morant didn't play last night versus
the Celtics. Hmmm, they say it was an ankle, Okay, okay,
keeping our eye on that. As John Morana struggled all
(32:08):
season long. Ankle watch, ankle watch. Yeah. I think more
is he didn't play because of his pride maybe yeah,
or something else is going on. We'll see all right.
Number four on the list here shorthanded calves rally to
beat the Heat one thirty one sixteen. We had two
teams coming in. I think they were both seven and four.
(32:28):
The Cavaliers stopped Miami's four game win streak without their
starting backcourt. There was no Darius Garland, he's got a
reaggravated tow issue. No Donovan Mitchell in this one. Mobley
didn't play in this one either. Now Bam didn't play
for the Heat. Tyler Hero of course, been out all season,
so this was missing a lot of guys. So Jared
Allen is the star. He goes out, puts up thirty points,
ten boards. I had to look, what was the last
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time Jared Allen scored thirty points in a game. He
didn't do it at all last season. He did it
a couple times a year prior to that, So it's
been a while thirty for Jared Allen spinning his way
to baskets. Hunter auted twenty one, Lonzo Bell, Lonzo Ball
excuse me getting the start fifteen points eight assists and
Craig Porter Junior nineteen points nine assists, four blocks. Really
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good coming off the bench for Cleveland. So the Calves
continue to have the Heat's number. Really, they've beaten them
a lot despite the Heat beating them in overtime recently.
Earlier this week, I think on Monday with the Wiggans
game winner, that was a one forty one thirty eight rare.
I guess Heat went over the Calves. Generally the Calves
have their number, but I was missing a lot of guys.
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But Jared Allen, good game, good game for the big
guy with the FRO. I wonder if he scrubbed his
feet in the shower after a last night's game.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
But he said he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
He said he heat. He said, yeah, He's like, what
do you want me to do? Have a sore back
or clean bottom of my feet? I mean, I guess,
if I'm picking, I'd rather have dirty bottom of my
feet than the sword back if I was seven feet tall. Especially, Yeah,
I mean, why do they pay people to clean the
bottom feet?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Right? A little like scrubby in the oh? Yeah, you know,
a mat of some sort.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, it's like they do on the court to get
the stickiness on their shoes. Just have like the clean
version of that in the shower. Somebody implement that. Yeah,
number three on our list. The thunder roll past the
Lakers improved to twelve and one. There are levels to
this winning thing. Man, Holy crap. Oka See blew out
one of its top I guess Western Conference rivals for
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the second straight game. They beat the Warriors one twenty
six one two on Tuesday night, and then they crushed
the Lakers last night. This game was over. I would
say it was over in about sixteen minutes. Yeah, maybe
a little bit. Okay, oh man, no grish. If Chrish
turned this one off last night, he was right. It
was a dominant first quarter, but it was like a
twelve point lead or whatever. It was like, okay, that's nothing.
(34:50):
But then the second quarter was a beatdown. I think
it was a forty to twenty quarter for okay See
and like it was just amazing. It was so bad
that the NBA YouTube page put out the compilation titled
Oksey's best defensive plays from their win versus the Lakers
because they were like, oh my god, what are we
even gonna show from this game, I guess, just show
(35:11):
all these huge blocks, steals stuff like that. So yeah,
like chet holmgrin blocking eating at the rim. You had
Aj Mitchell locking up Austin Reeves on a drive attempt
and coming up with the loose ball. You had Caruso
poking the ball away from Austin Reeves. Again, it was
a bad game for Austin Reeves, bad game for Luca
to nineteen points, seven to twenty shooting, and you're gonna go, oh, well,
(35:33):
I guess Dort shut them down. They didn't even have Dort.
This team is so good. They haven't had JDub all year.
It doesn't matter. They're twelve and one. They don't have
dirt in this game, it doesn't matter. Next guy, throw
them on on Luca or throw them on Austin Reeves,
take away their two offensive guys. Amazing this team. I
can't believe I took the under like an idiot. Why
(35:53):
would I doubt a team what that' SGA as its leader?
Why why would I do that?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Stupid jd self hating Canadian.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I guess, just like I actually said on the show,
I'm like, I don't know, you win a championship you're
probably gonna like scale back on your defensive intensity. They
have a defensive rating right now of one oh three
point zero. That's significantly better than last year's defense. That's
how elite it is. So they haven't missed a beat.
(36:24):
They just rotetate guys in. They have these quarters where
they run the team out of the gym, usually because
of their defense turning into off sense. They couldn't hit
threes to save their life to start the season. Now
those are going down pretty good consistency. I'm sorry to
the OKAC fans. Why did I take the under sixty
mood that day?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think maybe I don't know. Maybe I don't know.
Was it when did we do that show? Was it
after the Jays lost?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
No, No, this is preseason, this is preseason. But I
don't know. I just like, I guess if that line,
if that line was sixty seven and a half, then
I feel better to be under. But it was It's
like pretty low now that I think about it. That
was stupid. I missed on that one, all right. Number
two on our list from last night Steph Curry forty
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six points leading the Warriors to the one twenty five
one twenty victory over the Spurs. I wrote my notes,
Steph Curry must like Taco Bell because he was eating
on that Spurs Fiesta court at court A court looked
even better in like game action. We saw photos of it.
It's one thing you see photos, but then you get
the real lights on it and you get players out
(37:30):
there moving on it and get the camera angles. Oh
it's so good. Yeah, it's so good. I brought up
that you gotta go check out the latest short we
just dropped this morning. JD's son cooking on that one.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, that just searches room for you think he might
be uh partaking when you watch the short even I
think this kid's on something.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
He's on a heater is what he's on. Man, with
these shorts, kids creative might be more creative than you dare.
I say it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well to say it because it's true.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Showed up to Jackson for doing the Yeah. Anyway, a
lot of fun with the short. We're talking about the court,
how it's got Taco Bell vibes, and then it spirals
into it goes in a direction you don't really see
coming and people were a little confused. Anyway, It's very funny.
But back to Curry forty six points. Like I said,
help the Warriors get sort of like, I don't know,
like I'm much needed, I guess is a good way
to put it. They were reeling a little bit. They're
(38:24):
on this road trip. You know, you got Draymond pointing
fingers at people, and Crazy's like, it's all right, I
got us here. He had an awesome, awesome third quarter.
He started slowly from three, but he started feeling himself
in the third quarter. The three started going. Then he
just decided, I'm going to turn into Tim Duncan here
for a couple of possessions. He just stopped banking shots
(38:45):
left and right, probably because they were playing on the
Spurs court, but his forty six helped overcome the triple
doubles from wemen Yama and Castle and Big Jimmy Butler
game Draymond good defensively all this, but it was sort
of cool. I'm watching this going like, wow, this this
really is like not the past, I guess, still the present,
but sort of the past with the Dynastic Warriors the
(39:06):
most of their players still there, and then the future
with Wemby and Castle. It's like, whoa this is? This
is wild because the game was entertaining, court looked great. Curry,
not even a throwback performance, just one of these classic reminders,
like oh yeah, yeah, you watch these Curry games, You're
like every once in a while, you're like, yeah, I
could still see them if he's healthy. Beating a lot
(39:28):
of teams in postseason basketball. So that was really really fun.
Go check the highlights if you didn't watch that one.
But number one on our list, this guy Man Jokic
puts up fifty five points in the Nuggets route of
the Clippers. Jokic tied the highest scoring performance in the
(39:50):
NBA the season with those fifty five points. They won
one thirty to one, sixteen sixth straight victory for the Nuggets. Now,
this one's of note here, the fifty five from you'll ktch,
because it's the first time he scored fifty plus in
a game that came in a win. We've talked about
this before any game he ever had, I think, including
the playoffs, if he scored over fifty, they lost. And
that was why everybody's like, make him a scorer, just
(40:13):
make of a score he wats the pass, they never
win when he has to go for fifty plus because
he doesn't want to, and then he's got to and
maybe you have a better chance to beat them. They
were previously zero to four, but this one they got
it done. He had fifty two points in three quarters. Okay,
he outscored the Clippers, starting five by himself. And he
(40:33):
came back in with like six minutes to go, and
David Aldeman was even had he had to play like
the whole like zero disrespect to the Clippers. We had
to put him back in because they were making a run,
and you know, he's our best player obviously helps us
break the press and all this stuff. So he scored
three more points in the fourth quarter. But the guy
basically scored fifty plus. And he did score fifty plus
in three quarters. The guy's unreal. This is on the
(40:56):
second night of a back to back two and he
scored twenty five of them versus thirty nine points in
the first quarter. And he said this, He had the
goal to say this. I didn't open the game really good.
I think I missed like two or three layups. And
then he was like, and then I got it going. Yeah, okay,
you had twenty five points. You had a most NBA
players career high. He had in one quarter and then
(41:18):
said I didn't even play that well, holy shit, Holy shit.
So Jokic scored the third most points ever against the Clippers,
behind only two people in their fun names. Back to
the Spurs Fiesta themed court, David Robinson and his quest
for the scoring title in nineteen ninety four. It was
(41:39):
the season finale. He went for seventy one because he
was battling Shack. I think he was battling for the
scoring title. So that was against the Clips. And then
Shaquille O'Neil went for sixty one points against the Clippers
on his birthday in two thousand. So it's pretty funny,
like both times it was like there was a real
(42:00):
reason they were going for it. Yeah, David Robinson to
get scoring title shocked just because he's like, ah, it's
my birthday, let's go source sixty plus. But now Jokic
just did it in his sleep. It felt like, uh,
what a game. Over his last six games, Yokic is
averaging thirty five point eight points, twelve boards, eleven assists,
shooting seventy four percent from the field, and fifty five
point six from three. And that's what it's happened here.
(42:21):
The numbers have gone up, up, up since the start
of season because he's now hitting threes. It was one
of those weird things. He was just like, couldn't hit
a three to start. Now he's like I think last
night five or six from deep, guy's on fire and defensive.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Jokic, you know, focusing on the negative. I do that. Yeah,
I kind of have a stellar whatever, pick a ball game.
But in my head, it's those those easys.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah, we're all our harshest critics exactly. Yeah,
and that's why you're that's why you're Yokic, Like, yeah,
so it separates the good from the great. You're not wrong,
you're not wrong, but it's like, come on, man, just
also just say I just kicked the shit out of
that team. They have no chance against me, this against
a good defender in Zubats. Yeah. No, he's too humble.
(43:07):
He's humble like a horse. I don't know if that's
the same. I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Horses don't strike me as home.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
They're not humble. That's why I don't like them.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Too proud, they're very proud.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Other action just quickly, last night, Lamello less Hornets beat
the Yannis list Bucks so and not a lot of
takeaways from that one. But Hornets got the win monster
game from b ball Paul in another Pistons win. A
lot of guys were sitting in the Bulls Pistons game,
but b ball Paul comes in there. That team's on fire.
He filled up the box score. If you had him
(43:39):
in your fantasy basketball team or in one of your drafts.
Last night, you're a winning Rockets beat the Whiz. They
still have the number one offense in the league over
Denver and New York. Keeping her eye on that. Danny
Avdia Shadon Sharp, good old Canadian boy sharp right there.
Both had efficient thirty point nights plus against the Pelicans, though,
Derek a good game. Blazers win. I like that because, yeah,
(44:03):
Blazers are beating these bad teams. That's great. And then
the Hawks punked the Sacramento Kings. The Sacramento Kings. Oh
my god, I too. I turned to ghost Face Ziller,
a noted Kings fan awesome newsletter. I allude to it
all the time, or I bring it up all the time.
Zilla wrote today quote, Sacramento has a strong case as
(44:23):
the worst team in the West behind the Pelicans and Mavericks.
Poorly built, poorly coached, currently starting two players over the
age of thirty five. It's not I was gonna say
the Kings have lost Ziller, but Ziller's you know, outside
of a few seasons, he's been there, done that with
this Kings team. But this is really bad. When he's saying, ah,
(44:47):
we might be worse than these other teams that are
at the bottom. He might be right. He probably is right.
What happens here is Doug Christy get fired. What is
the move they say they're going to blow up this team.
Christy is even saying, like, h buckle up. We're gonna
try and trade all these guys as they should, as
they probably should a year ago. Bad bad vibes, bad vibes.
We'll probably, uh, well, I know we will. Tomorrow when
(45:11):
Tray's back for the Drop podcast, we're gonna do our
all washed teams. We're gonna draft them. Bet your ass
there's gonna be some Sacramento Kings players in the mix.
We're gonna have something. We're gonna have age divisions for
what we do tomorrow, so we'll have some fun on
the drop. But that's last night, Last.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Night's action is the beating.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I mean, it's still a thing, but you have to
win to press it.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, we're how excited at the beach.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Oh god, I bought it hook line and sinker man.
That was the biggest Kings fan in the world for
like two years there. Yeah, and it's it's crazy. It's
such a it is such a poorly built team, and
I mean they are getting destroyed. They lost but like
thirty plus at home to a fine Hawks team, but
you know, not a juggernaut by any means bad bad
(45:58):
bet a right pick them last night is I guess
the only other game we didn't talk about was the
Mavericks losing to the Suns. And that's a note because
tass is still winless even Wow. Myself and Trey yesterday
were like, you're probably gonna win that, you know, Nico
Harrison gun his sons are good, but in that has
(46:22):
maybe get one. They're favored Vegas hadn't favored. No sons win.
They stay good enough to beat sort of the bad teams.
I love seeing that too, because I had their over
in the in the preseason. But tass is zero to eight.
He hasn't won a game here have we ever seen.
We have never seen this. I never no one. I
don't know if anyone's ever gone on this longest streak
(46:44):
in the twenty years of basically doing this. It's impressive now,
he said in a I guess we were on sub
stack and it was inspired by John Schuman, because Schuman
keeps saying, if Tas shoots the moon, then you guys
should also have to do Goatee's trey and.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I, okay, I don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I don't mind it either. There's no possible way that happens.
Like I need somebody that's smarter than I to like
run the number of odds. The odds are like astronomical.
I would say, yeah, for Task to pick in a
very long month of November, we're gonna get up to
probably halfway through, we're going to at least fifteen plus. Yeah,
(47:26):
there's no way, I mean in a way he can
do it. I mean I want to see it. And
I said, I'll do it if you go over for
the month of November. I'll happily do go tea.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, I mean, this is the problem with this. The
punishment is Task would probably look the best with He's
gonna look normal with the goatee will look hilarious.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I want you want you guys to lose, well honestly,
I mean no offense.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
You need Task and just keep losing because he's six
games back, which is quite a lot here. And anyway,
let's get to tonight's game, uh Toronto at Cleveland. Task
picked this game just so everyone knows, and he took
the Cavaliers. They're favored by seven in that, so we
get that must mean some of those guys that sat
(48:14):
out are coming back tonight. Uh Tray's backing Task though,
Uh it's a choice. Why it worries me a little bit.
Worries me. I'll take the raps to cover. I got
a lot of points to play with. It could be
uh totally fine. They already beat them in the cup
game last Friday, So yeah, I was a little shocked
(48:36):
to see Traying not continuing our run here over him
and I just pick the opposite of what Task picks
because it keeps working. But anyway, calves by seven and
a half, so Cleveland's got to win by eight plus
for Task to stop his streak. I really wanted to
continue to me too, Me too, Oh my FanDuel to
turn this into something though, like this is the ultimate
(48:58):
fade right now. He should be plastered all over their
website a photo of Task, like pick the officer of
this guy? Like, come on, all right, that's tonight's today's show.
Excuse me, Thanks again to Oron Wisefelt for coming on,
talking about the book and talking about Canada basketball, talking
a little raps there. We'll be back tomorrow. Trey will
(49:20):
be here with myself and JD. Task is actually back
in Canada for a quick little trip. He's going to
see John Legend, is he not?
Speaker 2 (49:27):
That's exactly with him and Danielle.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
And some friends of ours. Yeah. I think I was
gonna say it's in Niagara.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
False.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, okay, I think Chrissy's there, doesn't doesn't Christy Tigan
follow Tasks online?
Speaker 3 (49:42):
She did?
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I don't really talked at one point? Is Eternity a go?
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Now?
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah? Yeah, she's probably there? But why why would you
pass up the falls?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
I guess?
Speaker 3 (49:53):
So?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Okay? Am I crazier? The last time Task went to
see John Legend, he was disappointed. He was in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
The crowd.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
The crowd was like everybody's sitting in their seats. Yes, yeah, yeah,
so hey, if you're going to the show, I guess
tomorrow night in the Falls to see John Legend, bring
it for our guy tasting.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I think it's I think he's fine. If did he
not see him in Vegas?
Speaker 1 (50:19):
I don't know this guy. He loves John Legend.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, he's alleged head.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
He's allegend. Tray's a deadhead and tastes Allegend.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Follows him around. He's got a little VW bus. That's
how he got there.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
We should we should literally send tasks on a John
Legend to the content. We would get it. But anyway,
that's why the test won't be here tomorrow, but TK
went back. T K will also be here for No
Buffs coming up later today, recapping episode eight. Hey, some
stuff happened.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yes, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It was fine. Fine, it's getting better. Good time to
get in, goot a great time to get in No
Buffs on YouTube feed on podcast feed, we'll be talking
with Nora's back for that one too. So that's at
one pm Eastern over on no Bus YouTube channel obviously
flipped into a podcast, so make sure you go subscribe
to that listen to that. If you're a Survivor fan,
(51:18):
or if you're just a fan of us, we bring
a lot of hot takes.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
True.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
I know Nora is pretty fired up about the episode.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Okay, not the biggest.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Fan, yeah, okay. But also she started her morning by
listening to Jeff Probs his podcast, and she's like, got
her air pods in and she's just like stupid, Oh Jesus,
shut up already. I guess Jeff was really irritating.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Heyeah, he must be shining it up, like just you know, she.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Just said he didn't like Jeremy Collins is on it,
and she's like, he wouldn't stop talking for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
That's kind of his thing, I know.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I know. So we'll find out Nora's thoughts on episode
and uh and the Jeff Probes podcast. But until then,
Clipper Rose turn up so quiet, Clipper.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
My routing is all mixed up. Every time we have
a guest, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, got concerned there for a hot minute.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Oh the Canadian internet strikes again. Yeah, every time our
new policy, if we have somebody on from Canada, they
got a tether to their phones. That's it. That's how
it worked for you, remember, Yeah, you're right and.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
This is a problem, especially in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
It doesn't matter what Belle Rogers doesn't.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
It doesn't matter if they're they're incahoots. Man, they are.
We started with some cancom ending with some can. All right,
braceedate people.
Good mornings, we were and welcome to the Nodunks Podcast,
presented by Fan Duel. It's Thursday, November thirteenth, twenty twenty five.
I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory and alongside
me or over Yonder making the magic happened, super producer JD.
There he is.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, hello, there we go. Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Just the two of us today, the two of us.
That's right. Later on we're gonna discuss some of last
night's big games, big performances. But first we do have
a special guest joining us. Orin Wisfeld is a writer
based in Toronto, Canada, and he covers Canadian hoops and
he's got his debut book out, The Golden Generation, How
(00:46):
Canada Became a Basketball Powerhouse. It's out now go buy
it link in the show notes. I really enjoyed this book.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Or In.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Good morning, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Good morning, Thanks, thanks for having me excited to be here.
Get some more can Con onto the show. I know
it was always I know it was always a priority
for you guys. So yeah, I've been following the show
ever since the starters' days, and it's really cool to
be here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
So yeah, well, I appreciate it. Congratulations on the new book.
This is the untold story I guess of Canada men's
basketball from Steve Nash's breakthrough at the Sydney Olympics in
two thousand to then unfortunately decades of sort of struggle
and some controversy and missed opportunity. But they're back now.
(01:34):
I first want to ask you, when did you start
formulating the idea for this Gold and Generation book.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, so, like I started covering the Raptors in about
twenty eighteen, mostly for a blog called Raptors Republic, which
I'm sure you're familiar. Oh yeah, It's produced a lot
of great people in the industry, and I kind of
started going to games and seeing more and more Canadians
in the league each and every season we're all stars
and more guys playing themsels. I really wanted to learn,
(02:11):
like we Canadians in the league at any given time,
and all of a sudden, there was you know, ten
twenty and twenty five to start this season, right, So
I wanted to learn why that huge spike, Why had
all of a sudden happened, And at the same time,
I wanted to kind of square that with what was
happening with the national team. You know, I went to Victoria,
BC in twenty twenty one, which was when they lost
(02:32):
to the Czech Republic in that Olympic qualifying tournament, and
I kept up with their struggles and I wanted to know, like,
how come Canada was having so much success at the
grassroots level but at the same time the national team
was struggling so much. And that's kind of how the
idea for the book came to be. And when Canada
beat Spain and qualified for the Olympics for the first
(02:53):
time in twenty four years, that's when I kind of
knew I had a book.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, it's a great idea because I remember, and I
said before on the show, I was in Australia during
the two thousand Olympics. I wasn't in Sydney, but I
was there and when Canada, led by Steve Nash, was
making some noise, winning some games, like obviously, I was
pumped and it felt like here we go. You know,
Canada basketball is on the rise. And then it is
(03:19):
wild that it took what'd you say, twenty four years
for them to get back to the international, biggest stage, right,
And this is what this book is exploring sort of
what went wrong over two decades when it looked like
they were there or on the precipice of being there.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And like the name of the book, the Golden Generation,
it also refers to obviously it's referring to the generation
of Canadians in the NBA today, the best we've ever had,
but it's also referring to, like I don't know if
you remember this, but back in two thousand, they called
that team the Golden Generation, So like, the people have
been so desperate for this golden age of Canadian hoops
(03:57):
dating back, you know, three decades now that that name
has been repeated each generation again and again, and I
just I found it kind of funny and I kind
of found that it showed the desperation that the country
had for so long. But I also, you know, wanted
to explain in this book how each generation built off
the next to get to where we are today.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So for those that don't know, who did you talk
to for this book? And then the second follow up
to that is, was there a favorite player or person
that you got to do an interview and sit down
with about this book?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, So I talked to you know, it took almost
two years.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I talked to about one hundred people, you know, of
a bunch from that two thousand team, dating all the
way up to this twenty twenty four Olympic squad. I
spoke to ten of the twelve members of that team.
So I tried to get a good segment of the
population between you know, Team Canada players and coaches and
(04:53):
also people at the grassroots level who have kind of
been building this thing up. In terms of a favorite
interne there was there was a lot, but I would
say like Steve Nash sticks out because it took a
while to get him and he was one of my
very last interviews, and I think he really helped bring
that kind of section of the book together obviously, And
(05:15):
you know, I wanted to ask him a lot of
questions that people have been wondering and that there was
always rumors about, but that you couldn't kind of hammer down.
And that was part of the idea for the whole book,
was to be able to ask these athletes, like specifically,
how come you stop playing for the national team? You know,
for a guy like like Steve Nash, like how come
after two thousand and three that was really it for him,
(05:36):
and you know, he explained to me that getting to
the Olympics was really his goal. En after that he
wanted to focus on his NBA career and see what
he could do there, and obviously he made the most
of it. So, yeah, that's an interview that for sure,
I'll remember.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You also talked about racism in Canada basketball, in the
organization mainly I guess in the eighties and into the nineties.
How much did you know a out that beforehand before
you started researching and writing this book, because to me,
you know, I was naive. I didn't know any of this.
So it was really enlightening and I think it does
explain maybe why there was these like down years because
(06:13):
they weren't having the best talent play for the squad.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, and I'll answer the question.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But even like the down years going into the two thousands,
and we ask about guys like Andrew Wiggins and guys
who Jamal mcglore, who didn't play as much as maybe
what we would have liked, and people failed to realize
how history really plays a role in that, how these
people's parents and uncles and all that grew up. When
the national team was looked at to be frank as
(06:39):
a joke, like people didn't respect the.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Way that they were doing things, and race was a
part of it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Resources were also a part of the lack of performance,
staff not treating the players right in so many ways.
But yeah, in the eighties and nineties, there was only
a handful of black players to ever play on the
teams that went to represent Canada internationally at an Olympics
or World Championship, and players felt that there was racial
bias in the selection process. And I detail exactly what
(07:08):
happened in the book, but suffice to say I talked
to like fifty to twenty players who felt like that
was the case, who felt like they weren't getting a
fair chance. And this isn't like a case of one
player having you know, sour grapes because he didn't make
the team right. It's a systemic issue of many, many
players feeling like the coaches, the executives at Canada Basketball
(07:29):
didn't understand how the kind of nexus of power was
shifting from the West coast of Canada to the East
coast of Canada to immigrants primarily from the West Indies
who moved to Toronto and Montreal and Halifax and who
played a style that just the national team didn't want
to fit into its style. And so that's where those
(07:51):
those programs, those problems really stemmed from it. To answer
your question, I knew nothing about it even when I
pitched the book.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Even when I pitched the book and got it accepted
and everything wasn't a part of the plan. But when
I started doing research, I started to come up upon it,
and then I started to talk to the players. But
unfortunately the Canadian media did the readers, you know, a
lack of justice there. There's really not a lot of
literature from the time about these issues, and for whatever reason,
(08:21):
people didn't cover it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, was there a player or a story or a
chapter that didn't make the final cut for this book
that you wished maybe had or you'd planned on it,
but it just didn't fit in the end.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, I did a chapter on Quebec that I really
would have liked to get in there, because, as you know,
like Quebec is having this boom similar to what Ontario
had maybe ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And right now we have a new player.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
In the NBA from Montreal, jimil Telford, who's playing on
the Clippers. But then there's Ben Mathrin, There's Omax Prosper,
there's another one.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
There's Chris Bouchet.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Right, So all of a sudden, Quebec started producing all
these NBA players and I want to explain their story.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It has this race component and it also has this
language component, which it makes it super complicated and whatnot.
And I didn't end up fitting it into the story
because it didn't really fit the narrative of like the
national team, in part because Quebec players haven't been well
represented there.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So it got cut.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I am writing a story now for Mason Web magazine
about using those same interviews because I wanted to share
that story. But yeah, that was a big one that
was hard to cut.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah. One guy, I guess with Montreal ties or Quebec ties,
I should say Haitian Canadian Samuel Dallenbart. There's a small
part in this book. Can you please share for the
listener and J werey here what happened? I guess between
Dalen Beart and I guess it was Jay Treano, the
head coach. Leo Rautin's the head coach at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, definitely one of the funniest stories of the book.
I appreciated Leo for his honestyeth during during the time
that I interviewed him, and yeah, I mean, so what
happened was in the two thousands, Canada Basketball and Leo Routins,
who was running the program, they were desperate for talent
because Jamal mcglure wasn't playing and Steve Nash wasn't playing,
(10:09):
and those were two Canadians in the league. So Canda
Basketball went out and they helped Samuel Dallenberg get his
Canadian citizenship because he grew up in Montreal.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
He was born in Haiti, but he grew up in Montreal.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And what happened was he joined the team and in
his first tournament, I think two thousand and seven, he
played really well. He let them in like points, rebounds
and like field goal percentage and you know, having an
NBA center it really helps the national team.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So he was great and he had some.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Weird moments where he was away from the team, but
they didn't really care because they were winning. And so
they get to this qualifying tournament in Athens, Greece in
two thousand and eight, which kind of was like the
big get for Leo reuns when he got hired in
two thousand and five. Everyone expected them to get to
the Olympics in two thousand and eight, and at this tournament,
Dallon Bear just kind of started being a recluse. He
(11:01):
started hanging out with his friends, He started showing up
to practices and film sessions late and falling asleep during
them because he had went out the night before. And
all this stuff started happening, and so Leo kind of
confronts him about it on the bus and he's like
talking to him about it, and Dallon bearr. They start
going at each other and Dallon Barr says something to
(11:21):
the like of like, you guys need me, And then
Leo says, let me tell you straight, there's not a
single game we haven't won or we've won.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
That we wouldn't have been able to win without you.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And basically after that he told him to get off
the bus, go get his stuff, and get out of there.
And in the middle of this tournament, Canada had caught
their starting center and they went and they had to
play Korea that same day, and they somehow come from
behind and they beat Korea. But then a couple of
days later they lose to I think Croatia and they
got sent home.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So that was the say to the national team at
that time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, man, what it is like this almost like feel
bad for like the Leo Routins or the people running
Canada basketball back in the day, because like, you want
to appease these NBA guys or your superstar players to
some extent because you want the talent, you want to
have a chance, you want to make these big international turns.
But then there's this other flip side of like, come on,
we're all in this together. You're making yourself bigger than
(12:18):
the other guys in the program. It's like, oh, man,
I didn't envy maybe some of those coaches and people
in charge in those sort of dark days, if you
want to call them that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, Leo.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Leo definitely had a really difficult time, and so did
Jay Triano when he took back over the team in
twenty eleven, and a lot of the decisions they made
sounded right at the time, and they made have been
right at the time, honestly getting that NBA talent, getting
it at no matter what the cost was, creating double
standards for NBA guys to kind of come whenever they
(12:51):
wanted and have whatever hotel rooms or flights they might
have wanted.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But when you look at the history, I think those
decisions ended up.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Really backfiring and they really end up hurting the national
team in the long run by setting these kind of
dangerous precedents where NBA players specifically looked at the national
team as this thing that they could kind of show
up whenever they saw fit.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You did already allude to this, but the lack of
funding for Canada basketball was a tough hurdle to get
over for many years too. Lackluster amenities or travel or
food or even support staff, all of these things. What
do you think helped get Canada basketball sort of over
that and a little more money coming in. Was it,
quite frankly, Steve Nash getting involved in picking up phones
(13:36):
and trying to get sponsors or was there other things?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, so I did explain how that was the big one.
When Steve Nash came to the program as a general
manager in twenty twelve, still playing on the Lakers at
the time, he really helped back this kind of fundraising
that they did just by getting on the phones with
you know, Canadian millionaires and explaining why this money would
be useful when Steve Nash got on the phone with you,
(14:00):
I think it helps open up those wallets. The other thing,
and this is more relevant in the recent decade, is
corporate Canada. You know, for so long, corporate Canada was
reluctant to fund basketball because hockey, it was this safe thing.
It kind of resembled Canadian values and identity, and they
(14:25):
didn't have the imagination, in my opinion, to see how
basketball could do similar things, could unite Canadians, could unite
specifically new Canadians, you know, immigrants who saw basketball as
a more welcoming sport than hockey. Only in the last
five ten years, I think as corporate Canada kind of
seen the potential that sports like soccer and basketball can
have and opened up their wallets in that regard to
(14:48):
to to you know, create these partnerships with the national
team to start giving them some money as well.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
A lot of these chapters sort of focus on one
player or maybe one area of the country. So you know,
there's a Dylan Brooks chapter for example, and you know,
you get Sga gets his own thing and stuff like that.
This all makes sense, but one of the biggest takeaways
for me and reading a lot of like the player
specific sort of chapters, is like how important the support
(15:18):
of really their parents usually and people in the grassroots,
like basketball world had on all these kids, like making
it to the NBA and then making it ultimately to
play for a team Canada. Is is that fair to say?
Just like you have so many interviews with all these things.
These parents did, the money and resources they put in
in time to like make sure their kid was getting
(15:40):
the best sort of basketball education they could get, and
usually a lot of the times it was leaving Canada.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right, Yeah, no, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like I think, to me, if I had to sum
up the story of this generation, it's their parents or
the people of their parents' generation, which is the two
thousand Olympic team, you know, Rowan Bear, Sherman Hamilton, Steve Nash.
I mean, let's exclude Steve Nash. But these people they
started playing basketball at a relatively late age, maybe in
high school, didn't take it too seriously, and still college
(16:11):
and then they tried to get to the NBA, but
in most cases they were a bit too late, and
they went and they played overseas or they went and
they played in the NCAA, and what they did was
they brought this knowledge back to them and they started coaching,
they started working as executives, or they became parents, and
they gave this knowledge and this experience that they had
accumulated as really the first generation of Canadians to play basketball,
(16:36):
they gave it to their kids.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
And that's what we're seeing in this generation. These kids
came up with.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
That knowledge, that understanding, that infrastructure that was building in
Canada to start playing at younger ages and to gain
those skills and to have competitive games. And yeah, parents
were definitely the biggest kind of.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
People in that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And if you look at our Canadians in the NBA today,
an alarming amount of them have parents who were professional
ath Yeah, a lot of them were ballers, but a
lot of them were like sprinters in case of RJ
and Shay and all these things.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So yeah, it definitely is a big part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So looking ahead here to sort of the next chapter
for senior men's national team, I guess they start World
Cup qualifiers pretty soon right in Toronto, I think in December. Yeah,
so that's going to be like you get all these
windows over like a fifteen month period across the four
FIBA regions for the qualifying looking at the team now,
(17:39):
maybe not for that specific qualifying team, but when you
looked at the Paris team, and I can list it
for everyone here it's and I'll basically just do it
in alphabetical order, but Nikhil, Alexander Walker, RJ. Barrett, Kem Birch,
Dylan Brooks, Lou Dort, Melvin Egen, Sga, Trey Lyles, Jamal Murray,
Andrew Nemhard, Kelly Olennik, and Dwight Powle. That's eleven of
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the twelve that are NBA players. I want you to
project here how many of those guys are back when
we're talking the next Olympic window. What other guys would
you think be in the mix or you'd like to
see in the mix? What do you got?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Sorry about that, Mike, I just cut out for a second,
so I miss most of your question.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
If you could just do basically of the team that
we just had at the Paris Olympics, how many do
you project will be back? And maybe what other new
guys should we look to be in the mix. Like
Zach Edy, I guess is when it comes up because
of his size.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Zach EDI's an obvious one.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I think Keishawn George what he's doing in Washington. You know,
my friend Lee Ben and I just went through this
exercise for his podcast, The Canadian Basketball Show, and we
kind of did our twelve dream team players for twenty
twenty eight. We both had keisha on George starting at
the four, So wow, goes to show what we think
of him. Also goes to show the lack of players
(18:56):
we have at that position, I think, and historically Ken
has been playing small with Dylan Brooks at the four,
but I think I think Keishan could be that.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Kind of missing piece.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And other than that, you know, I mentioned guys like
Brandon Clark if he gets healthy, he could be a
big player for US. Benedict Mathren I think could definitely
be a big piece on that team.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
There's gonna be tough decisions here, is what we're getting at, oh,
because they're sure like much NBA talent now that whoever
has to make this roster, you're cutting a good ten
NBA players at this point.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I mean, Shane and Sharp didn't make my team, my
twelve million team, and he might, but I'm just saying
it goes to show like there's gonna be really tough
decisions to be made. I think there were about like
seven players that we kept, you know, Shay Andrew Nemhart, RJ. Barrett, Nikiel,
Jamal Murray if he returns to play, I think could
be really big in.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
A situation where he's a little bit more healthy.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Dylan Brooks, I assume.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right, Dylan Brooks, but the big man rotation was almost
completely uh changed because guys Kelly Olenik and Dwight Powell,
Kem Burch, they're getting older and three years from now
they might not have what it takes to make that team.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I look forward to that, and I guess it's a
good problem to have for sure, that you have like
too much talent. One other thing I heard you talk
about on the Hello and Welcome podcast with our guys
was how Jay Triano was friends with Terry Fox. It
like blew my mind. They were like what grew up together?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Not exactly, it's crazy, but like when Jay Triana went
to SF you because he saw there was members of
the Canadian men's basketball team at that school, so he
went there to play basketball, and all of a sudden
the team manager was Terry Fox and that was when
he first got there. A few weeks into it was
when Terry Fox lost his leg and so he obviously
(20:49):
left that position as manager and he started training very
very quickly to run across the country. But they developed
a friendship and for Jay, you know, seeing how Terry
FOXX was training, seeing him wheel his wheelchair up the
mountain there, and when Jay would be on the bus
for example, just like drove him to play harder, to
(21:13):
be in the gym more. And they did like work
out together a lot as well. So super interesting can
con there for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, that's super can con for everyone out there. Before
we let you go, let's get your take on the
Raptors early start to the season. You know, had an
awesome opening night here in Atlanta. I was there repping
my Raps Jersey, feeling good as they punk the Hawks.
Then they hit a rough patch, nobody could stop anybody.
They give up a lot of points, but they've turned
it around here. What's your take right now on the Raptors. Basically,
(21:43):
ten or eleven games in.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I think they're a serious team for the first time
in about four years, which is to say that they're
gonna beat up on the drags of the league because
they finally.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Have their stuff together right.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
They play a base level of defense, they move the
ball really well, they have a lot of offense talent.
I think there's a few things they have to do
to take that next step into actually getting towards the
top of the East and whatnot. But it's exciting for
Raptors fans just to be kind of this five hundred
team and I think that's kind of where they're gonna
level out. But it's exciting because there's a lot of
(22:17):
talent on the team. They're pretty fun to watch because
of how they move the ball on offense and Brandon
Ingram has obviously been a really fun storyline for Raptors
fans who have been offensively starved for many, many years
to watch. And yeah, I'm enjoying it so far.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's definitely more enjoyable.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
R J.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Barrett Obviously, being Canadian, his name was in a lot
of trade rumors or a lot of people say, ah,
now that you got Ingram and you got Scottie, maybe
Barrett gets squeezed, But does it make it more difficult
him being Canadian and love being a Canadian and love
playing for the Toronto Raptors to move someone like that, maybe.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
A little bit like I remember messire Jerry a couple
of years ago when he made all the trades saying,
how you know, they wanted people in the building who
wanted to be there, and the Og trade specifically was
OG a guy who maybe had wanted a different role,
hadn't been so happy on the Raptors for RJ. Barrett,
(23:13):
who obviously really embraces that, being the kind of first
Canadian to really be a star, a player, one of
the best players on the Raptors in history. So I
think it's a really fun storyline for the fans right now.
I think it does make it a little harder to
trade him, But the real thing that makes it harder
to trade him is just the fact that he's been
performing at a really high level and not having really
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run plays for him, but just kind of picking up
the scraps and finding ways to be effective. And I
think each season with RJ, you know clearly he just
keeps getting better.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And finally, before I let you go, got to get
your opinion on the forthcoming USA versus USA versus the
World All Star game format here we got some more
details recently. You're rolling, you're shaking your head. Not a
fan of this idea.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I actually am a fan of it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I just I'm not a fan of the fact that
they changed the whole Star Game every year. I'm not
a fan of the fact that, like this should have
been what they did a few years ago at the latest.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Last year.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Whatever happened last year is like the biggest joke in sports.
They went to like a I don't even know. I
don't even remember what they did.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It was so bad.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But as soon as like Sham's announced it, I was like,
this is the worst idea I've ever heard. Just do
USA versus the world? So right, I'm glad they're already
they're they're finally doing it. And uh, I mean, it
doesn't really matter if the guys don't play hard.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was gonna say, do you think maybe though this
is the next step, if this goes better, then it
hasn't passed. Uh, maybe we get like the full on
team Canada into the mix, so then we have USA, Yeah,
maybe Canada, maybe like Europe, maybe maybe we I was.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
About to say, if we get that, guys will go
hard like if it's Canada former Yugoslavia, Okay, like eure up,
then players will go really hard the world.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I'm not good. I hope so I'm.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Definitely hope so but yeah, I'm a little pessimistic. Till
we really get that nationalistic fervor going, then the players
will go hard.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, I think you're right well or in congrats again
on the book. Everybody go get it makes a great
Christmas gift, a great holiday gift. The Golden generation, how
Canada became a basketball powerhouse and listen, we obviously have
a lot of international viewers and listeners and Americans like,
you don't got to be Canadian, Okay to read this.
You're gonna learn a lot and it's sort of cool
all the guys that have like come up recently and
(25:33):
are like flourishing now in the NBA. And you learn
a lot more like we didn't get into even like
the whole Wiggans sort of chapter about him. I thought
that was eye opening, learning more of like his mo
and sort of expectations that people had for him as
this high flyer and this super athlete come on, scream
at people, dunk on people. That's like not him Anyway,
(25:54):
it is an awesome book.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Congrats again, No, I really appreciate it, and yeah, I
think people of any international basketball scene will We'll get
something out of it because it mirrors, I think what's
happening in a lot of countries also with some of
the struggles that people are having right now in terms
of developing players and prep schools popping up and all
(26:16):
this kind of nefarious stuff as well. So appreciate you
having me, and like you said, it makes for a
good holiday gift, and appreciate everyone's support.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I will say, Trey Kirby took offense to you, calling
it the Golden Generation. He's like, what golds do you have?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Many people have? Ye?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
All right, Orn, thanks so much, and we'll talk to
you soon.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Man, all right, take care, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
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Oran for joining us to talk about his book. I
really really enjoyed it. There's a lot of good NBA
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Don't do it for me, do it for Oran. All right,
let's get into last night's NBA action. I got five notes,
I guess JD from all that went down. It was
a busy night, twelve games on my God. First note though,
is injuries. Injuries, injuries, so we got a few to
talk about here. Bradley Beal, first off, he had a
(29:10):
fracture in his left hip. He's undergoing season ending surgery.
He's out for the year. Bradley Beal just done, just
like that. Lawrence Frank, the Clippers president of basketball operations, said,
this is a very, very fluky injury, and people are
like trying to find when it happened, and I mean,
you see it when you think it occurred, and it's
(29:30):
like what he fractured his hip. It's like, holy crap,
we are getting old, aren't they, Clippers.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's me getting out of bed.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Everything I know, I know. So he's gone for the year.
This is a bad start to the Clippers season here
as they've had their injuries and guys out and now
Beal's got It's not like Beal was playing well, so
maybe him being gone the team can get back to
playing a little more defense. We'll see, but Beal's gone.
In another game last night, a couple injuries between the
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Magic and Nicks. So Palla Carol. He strained his left
groin on his twenty third birthday and he's gonna miss
the second half or he missed the second half of
the game. We'll see what the uh actual diagnosis is,
how severe it is, but that would suck to do
it on your birthday, Jay, you ever got injured on
your birthday?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Every birthday?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I get it like you got a headache.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh I get a headache. I feel like I've had
a groin injury on my birthday.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, buddy, yeah yeah, I damn straight. Oh
were you sixteen seventeen? You dirty dug. So he leaves
with the strained left groin, and then at the end,
Jalen Brunson he injured his right ankle on a drive
to the basket. There's like two minutes to go in
this game, and he was seen by multiple reporters leaving
Madison Square Garden in a walking boot and using crutches.
(30:44):
And this was the same ankle Bronson sprained last season.
He missed fifteen games, and he came back in the playoffs,
and it looked like he sometimes would like damage it again,
but he sort of like powered through that. So this
sucks again. If this is true that it's like vere
enough that he's got the walking boot and the crutches,
you assume he's gonna miss some time with an ankle.
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It's already been buggered. But magic beat the Knicks gave
him their first home loss of the season one twenty
four to one oh seven, So Magic are maybe starting
to turn it around. Desmond Baine is at least he
had the game winner, a good game last night. Franz
Fogner had a good game. So they go into Madison
Square Garden and get the w. But all these guys
getting injured. Hopefully it's nothing too too serious with Brunson
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because that's a different team when he's not out there.
That guy and he had a great game, And I
know I saw some people saying, whoa, where's all the
hate for Mike Brown. There's two minutes left to go,
They're down like fifteen or sixteen. Why's Brunson in there?
Why is he playing? Why is he even attacking to
then step on a foot to roll an ankle. If
this was Tom Thibodau, you guys would be going nuts.
(31:47):
Maybe some truth to that, uh for sure. If it
was Tims, we would be like, what are you doing?
But again we'll wait to see with both of those injuries.
Also of note, John Morant didn't play last night versus
the Celtics. Hmmm, they say it was an ankle, Okay, okay,
keeping our eye on that. As John Morana struggled all
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season long. Ankle watch, ankle watch. Yeah. I think more
is he didn't play because of his pride maybe yeah,
or something else is going on. We'll see all right.
Number four on the list here shorthanded calves rally to
beat the Heat one thirty one sixteen. We had two
teams coming in. I think they were both seven and four.
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The Cavaliers stopped Miami's four game win streak without their
starting backcourt. There was no Darius Garland, he's got a
reaggravated tow issue. No Donovan Mitchell in this one. Mobley
didn't play in this one either. Now Bam didn't play
for the Heat. Tyler Hero of course, been out all season,
so this was missing a lot of guys. So Jared
Allen is the star. He goes out, puts up thirty points,
ten boards. I had to look, what was the last
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time Jared Allen scored thirty points in a game. He
didn't do it at all last season. He did it
a couple times a year prior to that, So it's
been a while thirty for Jared Allen spinning his way
to baskets. Hunter auted twenty one, Lonzo Bell, Lonzo Ball
excuse me getting the start fifteen points eight assists and
Craig Porter Junior nineteen points nine assists, four blocks. Really
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good coming off the bench for Cleveland. So the Calves
continue to have the Heat's number. Really, they've beaten them
a lot despite the Heat beating them in overtime recently.
Earlier this week, I think on Monday with the Wiggans
game winner, that was a one forty one thirty eight rare.
I guess Heat went over the Calves. Generally the Calves
have their number, but I was missing a lot of guys.
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But Jared Allen, good game, good game for the big
guy with the FRO. I wonder if he scrubbed his
feet in the shower after a last night's game.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
But he said he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
He said he heat. He said, yeah, He's like, what
do you want me to do? Have a sore back
or clean bottom of my feet? I mean, I guess,
if I'm picking, I'd rather have dirty bottom of my
feet than the sword back if I was seven feet tall. Especially, Yeah,
I mean, why do they pay people to clean the
bottom feet?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Right? A little like scrubby in the oh? Yeah, you know,
a mat of some sort.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, it's like they do on the court to get
the stickiness on their shoes. Just have like the clean
version of that in the shower. Somebody implement that. Yeah,
number three on our list. The thunder roll past the
Lakers improved to twelve and one. There are levels to
this winning thing. Man, Holy crap. Oka See blew out
one of its top I guess Western Conference rivals for
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the second straight game. They beat the Warriors one twenty
six one two on Tuesday night, and then they crushed
the Lakers last night. This game was over. I would
say it was over in about sixteen minutes. Yeah, maybe
a little bit. Okay, oh man, no grish. If Chrish
turned this one off last night, he was right. It
was a dominant first quarter, but it was like a
twelve point lead or whatever. It was like, okay, that's nothing.
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But then the second quarter was a beatdown. I think
it was a forty to twenty quarter for okay See
and like it was just amazing. It was so bad
that the NBA YouTube page put out the compilation titled
Oksey's best defensive plays from their win versus the Lakers
because they were like, oh my god, what are we
even gonna show from this game, I guess, just show
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all these huge blocks, steals stuff like that. So yeah,
like chet holmgrin blocking eating at the rim. You had
Aj Mitchell locking up Austin Reeves on a drive attempt
and coming up with the loose ball. You had Caruso
poking the ball away from Austin Reeves. Again, it was
a bad game for Austin Reeves, bad game for Luca
to nineteen points, seven to twenty shooting, and you're gonna go, oh, well,
(35:33):
I guess Dort shut them down. They didn't even have Dort.
This team is so good. They haven't had JDub all year.
It doesn't matter. They're twelve and one. They don't have
dirt in this game, it doesn't matter. Next guy, throw
them on on Luca or throw them on Austin Reeves,
take away their two offensive guys. Amazing this team. I
can't believe I took the under like an idiot. Why
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would I doubt a team what that' SGA as its leader?
Why why would I do that?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Stupid jd self hating Canadian.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I guess, just like I actually said on the show,
I'm like, I don't know, you win a championship you're
probably gonna like scale back on your defensive intensity. They
have a defensive rating right now of one oh three
point zero. That's significantly better than last year's defense. That's
how elite it is. So they haven't missed a beat.
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They just rotetate guys in. They have these quarters where
they run the team out of the gym, usually because
of their defense turning into off sense. They couldn't hit
threes to save their life to start the season. Now
those are going down pretty good consistency. I'm sorry to
the OKAC fans. Why did I take the under sixty
mood that day?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think maybe I don't know. Maybe I don't know.
Was it when did we do that show? Was it
after the Jays lost?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
No, No, this is preseason, this is preseason. But I
don't know. I just like, I guess if that line,
if that line was sixty seven and a half, then
I feel better to be under. But it was It's
like pretty low now that I think about it. That
was stupid. I missed on that one, all right. Number
two on our list from last night Steph Curry forty
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six points leading the Warriors to the one twenty five
one twenty victory over the Spurs. I wrote my notes,
Steph Curry must like Taco Bell because he was eating
on that Spurs Fiesta court at court A court looked
even better in like game action. We saw photos of it.
It's one thing you see photos, but then you get
the real lights on it and you get players out
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there moving on it and get the camera angles. Oh
it's so good. Yeah, it's so good. I brought up
that you gotta go check out the latest short we
just dropped this morning. JD's son cooking on that one.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, that just searches room for you think he might
be uh partaking when you watch the short even I
think this kid's on something.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
He's on a heater is what he's on. Man, with
these shorts, kids creative might be more creative than you dare.
I say it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well to say it because it's true.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Showed up to Jackson for doing the Yeah. Anyway, a
lot of fun with the short. We're talking about the court,
how it's got Taco Bell vibes, and then it spirals
into it goes in a direction you don't really see
coming and people were a little confused. Anyway, It's very funny.
But back to Curry forty six points. Like I said,
help the Warriors get sort of like, I don't know,
like I'm much needed, I guess is a good way
to put it. They were reeling a little bit. They're
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on this road trip. You know, you got Draymond pointing
fingers at people, and Crazy's like, it's all right, I
got us here. He had an awesome, awesome third quarter.
He started slowly from three, but he started feeling himself
in the third quarter. The three started going. Then he
just decided, I'm going to turn into Tim Duncan here
for a couple of possessions. He just stopped banking shots
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left and right, probably because they were playing on the
Spurs court, but his forty six helped overcome the triple
doubles from wemen Yama and Castle and Big Jimmy Butler
game Draymond good defensively all this, but it was sort
of cool. I'm watching this going like, wow, this this
really is like not the past, I guess, still the present,
but sort of the past with the Dynastic Warriors the
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most of their players still there, and then the future
with Wemby and Castle. It's like, whoa this is? This
is wild because the game was entertaining, court looked great. Curry,
not even a throwback performance, just one of these classic reminders,
like oh yeah, yeah, you watch these Curry games, You're
like every once in a while, you're like, yeah, I
could still see them if he's healthy. Beating a lot
(39:28):
of teams in postseason basketball. So that was really really fun.
Go check the highlights if you didn't watch that one.
But number one on our list, this guy Man Jokic
puts up fifty five points in the Nuggets route of
the Clippers. Jokic tied the highest scoring performance in the
(39:50):
NBA the season with those fifty five points. They won
one thirty to one, sixteen sixth straight victory for the Nuggets. Now,
this one's of note here, the fifty five from you'll ktch,
because it's the first time he scored fifty plus in
a game that came in a win. We've talked about
this before any game he ever had, I think, including
the playoffs, if he scored over fifty, they lost. And
that was why everybody's like, make him a scorer, just
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make of a score he wats the pass, they never
win when he has to go for fifty plus because
he doesn't want to, and then he's got to and
maybe you have a better chance to beat them. They
were previously zero to four, but this one they got
it done. He had fifty two points in three quarters. Okay,
he outscored the Clippers, starting five by himself. And he
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came back in with like six minutes to go, and
David Aldeman was even had he had to play like
the whole like zero disrespect to the Clippers. We had
to put him back in because they were making a run,
and you know, he's our best player obviously helps us
break the press and all this stuff. So he scored
three more points in the fourth quarter. But the guy
basically scored fifty plus. And he did score fifty plus
in three quarters. The guy's unreal. This is on the
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second night of a back to back two and he
scored twenty five of them versus thirty nine points in
the first quarter. And he said this, He had the
goal to say this. I didn't open the game really good.
I think I missed like two or three layups. And
then he was like, and then I got it going. Yeah, okay,
you had twenty five points. You had a most NBA
players career high. He had in one quarter and then
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said I didn't even play that well, holy shit, Holy shit.
So Jokic scored the third most points ever against the Clippers,
behind only two people in their fun names. Back to
the Spurs Fiesta themed court, David Robinson and his quest
for the scoring title in nineteen ninety four. It was
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the season finale. He went for seventy one because he
was battling Shack. I think he was battling for the
scoring title. So that was against the Clips. And then
Shaquille O'Neil went for sixty one points against the Clippers
on his birthday in two thousand. So it's pretty funny,
like both times it was like there was a real
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reason they were going for it. Yeah, David Robinson to
get scoring title shocked just because he's like, ah, it's
my birthday, let's go source sixty plus. But now Jokic
just did it in his sleep. It felt like, uh,
what a game. Over his last six games, Yokic is
averaging thirty five point eight points, twelve boards, eleven assists,
shooting seventy four percent from the field, and fifty five
point six from three. And that's what it's happened here.
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The numbers have gone up, up, up since the start
of season because he's now hitting threes. It was one
of those weird things. He was just like, couldn't hit
a three to start. Now he's like I think last
night five or six from deep, guy's on fire and defensive.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Jokic, you know, focusing on the negative. I do that. Yeah,
I kind of have a stellar whatever, pick a ball game.
But in my head, it's those those easys.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah, we're all our harshest critics exactly. Yeah,
and that's why you're that's why you're Yokic, Like, yeah,
so it separates the good from the great. You're not wrong,
you're not wrong, but it's like, come on, man, just
also just say I just kicked the shit out of
that team. They have no chance against me, this against
a good defender in Zubats. Yeah. No, he's too humble.
(43:07):
He's humble like a horse. I don't know if that's
the same. I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Horses don't strike me as home.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
They're not humble. That's why I don't like them.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Too proud, they're very proud.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Other action just quickly, last night, Lamello less Hornets beat
the Yannis list Bucks so and not a lot of
takeaways from that one. But Hornets got the win monster
game from b ball Paul in another Pistons win. A
lot of guys were sitting in the Bulls Pistons game,
but b ball Paul comes in there. That team's on fire.
He filled up the box score. If you had him
(43:39):
in your fantasy basketball team or in one of your drafts.
Last night, you're a winning Rockets beat the Whiz. They
still have the number one offense in the league over
Denver and New York. Keeping her eye on that. Danny
Avdia Shadon Sharp, good old Canadian boy sharp right there.
Both had efficient thirty point nights plus against the Pelicans, though,
Derek a good game. Blazers win. I like that because, yeah,
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Blazers are beating these bad teams. That's great. And then
the Hawks punked the Sacramento Kings. The Sacramento Kings. Oh
my god, I too. I turned to ghost Face Ziller,
a noted Kings fan awesome newsletter. I allude to it
all the time, or I bring it up all the time.
Zilla wrote today quote, Sacramento has a strong case as
(44:23):
the worst team in the West behind the Pelicans and Mavericks.
Poorly built, poorly coached, currently starting two players over the
age of thirty five. It's not I was gonna say
the Kings have lost Ziller, but Ziller's you know, outside
of a few seasons, he's been there, done that with
this Kings team. But this is really bad. When he's saying, ah,
(44:47):
we might be worse than these other teams that are
at the bottom. He might be right. He probably is right.
What happens here is Doug Christy get fired. What is
the move they say they're going to blow up this team.
Christy is even saying, like, h buckle up. We're gonna
try and trade all these guys as they should, as
they probably should a year ago. Bad bad vibes, bad vibes.
We'll probably, uh, well, I know we will. Tomorrow when
(45:11):
Tray's back for the Drop podcast, we're gonna do our
all washed teams. We're gonna draft them. Bet your ass
there's gonna be some Sacramento Kings players in the mix.
We're gonna have something. We're gonna have age divisions for
what we do tomorrow, so we'll have some fun on
the drop. But that's last night, Last.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Night's action is the beating.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I mean, it's still a thing, but you have to
win to press it.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, we're how excited at the beach.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Oh god, I bought it hook line and sinker man.
That was the biggest Kings fan in the world for
like two years there. Yeah, and it's it's crazy. It's
such a it is such a poorly built team, and
I mean they are getting destroyed. They lost but like
thirty plus at home to a fine Hawks team, but
you know, not a juggernaut by any means bad bad
(45:58):
bet a right pick them last night is I guess
the only other game we didn't talk about was the
Mavericks losing to the Suns. And that's a note because
tass is still winless even Wow. Myself and Trey yesterday
were like, you're probably gonna win that, you know, Nico
Harrison gun his sons are good, but in that has
(46:22):
maybe get one. They're favored Vegas hadn't favored. No sons win.
They stay good enough to beat sort of the bad teams.
I love seeing that too, because I had their over
in the in the preseason. But tass is zero to eight.
He hasn't won a game here have we ever seen.
We have never seen this. I never no one. I
don't know if anyone's ever gone on this longest streak
(46:44):
in the twenty years of basically doing this. It's impressive now,
he said in a I guess we were on sub
stack and it was inspired by John Schuman, because Schuman
keeps saying, if Tas shoots the moon, then you guys
should also have to do Goatee's trey and.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I, okay, I don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I don't mind it either. There's no possible way that happens.
Like I need somebody that's smarter than I to like
run the number of odds. The odds are like astronomical.
I would say, yeah, for Task to pick in a
very long month of November, we're gonna get up to
probably halfway through, we're going to at least fifteen plus. Yeah,
(47:26):
there's no way, I mean in a way he can
do it. I mean I want to see it. And
I said, I'll do it if you go over for
the month of November. I'll happily do go tea.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, I mean, this is the problem with this. The
punishment is Task would probably look the best with He's
gonna look normal with the goatee will look hilarious.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I want you want you guys to lose, well honestly,
I mean no offense.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
You need Task and just keep losing because he's six
games back, which is quite a lot here. And anyway,
let's get to tonight's game, uh Toronto at Cleveland. Task
picked this game just so everyone knows, and he took
the Cavaliers. They're favored by seven in that, so we
get that must mean some of those guys that sat
(48:14):
out are coming back tonight. Uh Tray's backing Task though,
Uh it's a choice. Why it worries me a little bit.
Worries me. I'll take the raps to cover. I got
a lot of points to play with. It could be
uh totally fine. They already beat them in the cup
game last Friday, So yeah, I was a little shocked
(48:36):
to see Traying not continuing our run here over him
and I just pick the opposite of what Task picks
because it keeps working. But anyway, calves by seven and
a half, so Cleveland's got to win by eight plus
for Task to stop his streak. I really wanted to
continue to me too, Me too, Oh my FanDuel to
turn this into something though, like this is the ultimate
(48:58):
fade right now. He should be plastered all over their
website a photo of Task, like pick the officer of
this guy? Like, come on, all right, that's tonight's today's show.
Excuse me, Thanks again to Oron Wisefelt for coming on,
talking about the book and talking about Canada basketball, talking
a little raps there. We'll be back tomorrow. Trey will
(49:20):
be here with myself and JD. Task is actually back
in Canada for a quick little trip. He's going to
see John Legend, is he not?
Speaker 2 (49:27):
That's exactly with him and Danielle.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
And some friends of ours. Yeah. I think I was
gonna say it's in Niagara.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
False.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, okay, I think Chrissy's there, doesn't doesn't Christy Tigan
follow Tasks online?
Speaker 3 (49:42):
She did?
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I don't really talked at one point? Is Eternity a go?
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Now?
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah? Yeah, she's probably there? But why why would you
pass up the falls?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
I guess?
Speaker 3 (49:53):
So?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Okay? Am I crazier? The last time Task went to
see John Legend, he was disappointed. He was in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
The crowd.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
The crowd was like everybody's sitting in their seats. Yes, yeah, yeah,
so hey, if you're going to the show, I guess
tomorrow night in the Falls to see John Legend, bring
it for our guy tasting.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I think it's I think he's fine. If did he
not see him in Vegas?
Speaker 1 (50:19):
I don't know this guy. He loves John Legend.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, he's alleged head.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
He's allegend. Tray's a deadhead and tastes Allegend.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Follows him around. He's got a little VW bus. That's
how he got there.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
We should we should literally send tasks on a John
Legend to the content. We would get it. But anyway,
that's why the test won't be here tomorrow, but TK
went back. T K will also be here for No
Buffs coming up later today, recapping episode eight. Hey, some
stuff happened.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yes, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It was fine. Fine, it's getting better. Good time to
get in, goot a great time to get in No
Buffs on YouTube feed on podcast feed, we'll be talking
with Nora's back for that one too. So that's at
one pm Eastern over on no Bus YouTube channel obviously
flipped into a podcast, so make sure you go subscribe
to that listen to that. If you're a Survivor fan,
(51:18):
or if you're just a fan of us, we bring
a lot of hot takes.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
True.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
I know Nora is pretty fired up about the episode.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Okay, not the biggest.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Fan, yeah, okay. But also she started her morning by
listening to Jeff Probs his podcast, and she's like, got
her air pods in and she's just like stupid, Oh Jesus,
shut up already. I guess Jeff was really irritating.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Heyeah, he must be shining it up, like just you know, she.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Just said he didn't like Jeremy Collins is on it,
and she's like, he wouldn't stop talking for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
That's kind of his thing, I know.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I know. So we'll find out Nora's thoughts on episode
and uh and the Jeff Probes podcast. But until then,
Clipper Rose turn up so quiet, Clipper.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
My routing is all mixed up. Every time we have
a guest, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, got concerned there for a hot minute.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Oh the Canadian internet strikes again. Yeah, every time our
new policy, if we have somebody on from Canada, they
got a tether to their phones. That's it. That's how
it worked for you, remember, Yeah, you're right and.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
This is a problem, especially in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
It doesn't matter what Belle Rogers doesn't.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
It doesn't matter if they're they're incahoots. Man, they are.
We started with some cancom ending with some can. All right,
braceedate people.
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