West Over/Under Predictions | 2025-26 NBA Season Preview - No Dunks

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Good mornings, sir, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast, Wednesday,
October eight, twenty twenty five. I'm Jay Skats back in
the Classic Factory two point zero and alongside me as
always go Blue Jay's Taesmos.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Jays are going to do it. Welcome back Skates.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh, it's so good to be back with you. Guys.
Next to him, it's Matafsha Hot Boys, Trey Kirby, Hey
and over yonder over here, Yes, in the other corner
making the magic happen. Super producer jd Oops. Yeah, everything's rebuilt. Hello,
hell rat, Holy shit? Is it good to be back.

(00:42):
I love what you've done with the place. It's not
usually like this. I'm not only back, guys, I am
a US permanent resident. Wow. Wow, I've lived in Atlanta
for twelve years and just now am I a US
permanent resident. Not a moment too soon? Yeahfortable timing. But

(01:03):
what does it change? Next to nothing? What did it cost? Everything?
Absolutely everything? On Monday, we officially kicked off our twentieth
full NBA season of daily hoops coverage. If that doesn't
deserve a like or a subscription or a five star
rating and review, wow, come on, twenty years. I said

(01:25):
that last year. I know, but this is our twentieth
full NBA season. On Monday, we looked at the wind
totals for the Eastern Conference. Today we head out West
and we try our best with this loaded conference. And
I want to remind you guys, last year we had
seven teams between fifty two wins and forty eight wins
in the Western Conference, tighter than two coats of paint.

(01:49):
That is nuts. So okay, I think it's because I'm
like breathing in paint fumes still here in this classic.
I'm pretty sure it's the coats JD. How many coats
we got in here? What Roberto? Do I know? We
got purple deep underneath the How many primers to do.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
At least three?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Really tight? Yeah good? Not easy to paint a brick
wall either. A lot of crevices it is for Roberto.
Did he have a spray gun now?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well they're in brush?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Oh yeah, crazy, Yeah, it's incredible work.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
It looks like Roberto Alomar with that that paint brush
in his hands.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So Western Conference, let's start with the Northwest Division. We'll
go through every team here in the West and we'll
start with the Denver Nuggets and all of our over
underwind totals coming by way of fan duel. So the Nuggets,
fifty four and a half is their line this year.
They added Cameron Johnson, Jonisville Tunis, excuse me, Bruce Brown,

(02:51):
Tim Hardaway Junior, and the big departure is Michael Porter Jr.
And I guess Dario Sarich. But you know they have
improved this team, I think on paper, So fifty four
and a half TK, I'll start with you. Were you
leaning with Denver? This is a much better team.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
This seems to be probably the best bench that Nicola
Jokic has ever had since being in Denver. The problem
for me is that number is really high. Fifty five
is a lot of wins. How many times you think
the Nuggets have won fifty five or more games with
Nikola Jokich. It's gotta be once literally one full season,
at least literally once in a full season. Yeah, the
year after the championship. Look, they can get there for sure.

(03:27):
I just don't really think they care about winning fifty
five to sixty games. I'm gonna go under, even though
I think that the Nuggets are a lot better than
they were last year when they won fifty games, so
they could still add to their win total three or
four wins hit the under. I still think they're one
of the two best teams in the league. I think
a lot of people when we get to doing full
on season previews, we'll be picking the Nuggets to win

(03:47):
the championship because of how close they got against OKC
last year before Aaron Gordon's leg gave out, Michael Porter
Junior's shoulder gave out. I'm excited to see this team.
I'm excited to see what Cam Johnson brings, what new
element he brings to this team, a little bit more
playmaking than Michael Porter Junior, not quite as good of
a rebounder. We'll see what the shooting does because MPJ

(04:07):
knockdown guy. But yeah, I'm excited for the Nuggets. I'm
just still going under because fifty five wins is maybe
too many.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm going over. Yes, they're freaking stacked, more so than
that fifty seven win team a couple of years ago
after they won the title. Then they dropped off a
little bit last year, and I just think Jokic is
just going to be hungry to get it done. Combined
with guys that can do everything on a basketball floor
around Nikola jokicch The addition of Cam Johnson gives you

(04:38):
another ball handler who can finish at the rim, obviously
play great defense. If you didn't watch him in Brooklyn
last year, understandable, but the guy is freaking good to
go along with Aaron Gordon, to go along with Jamal Murray.
There's three guys in that starting lineup along with Nikola
Jokic who can handle the ball really really well. Jamal
Murray talking like he is super duper healthy as est
are you gonna be an All Star for the first time?

(05:00):
Because I don't care. I just care about being healthy. November,
I feel better than last year. He started talking about
getting Yonas Valencunis to set screens for him at half court.
He's already planning, and that's a great sign for the
Denver Nuggets, especially because Jonas is there to lead a
second unit with so many freaking guys now, Tim Hardaway,

(05:21):
Bruce Brown is bag another year, Julian Strauther, Deron Holmes
is the first round pick last year. Now he's healthy
to back up, So I just think Jokic won't have
to play as many minutes as he did last year,
played most of his in his career. Fifty five is
a lot, yeah, but I think they get there.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's a good line. They usually are. It's right around
this mark. It's like, are they going to go just
under and just over? I'm with Tray, I'm going just under.
But I like for a couple of reasons, you said tasks,
they have some sharpshooters now, I mean Kim Johnson is
actually a sneaky good three point shooter. Not that Michael
Porter Junior wasn't either, but he sort of fills that role.
Thirty nine I think percent in his career from deep
and then Tim Hardaway Junior. You know my thoughts on him.
This is a guy I always picked a score fifty

(05:58):
in a game. Maybe it'll happen with Yoka setting him
up and he hits like ten or eleven threes. But
he's been pretty good for his whole career. Love that.
And they have a competent backup big in JV. I mean, Yo, Kic,
it shouldn't fall off a cliff to team when he
goes to the bench. JV is more than capable, at
least I think as a backup big. So I love
that probably their best chance to maybe win a title

(06:18):
since the twenty three championship team again if everybody's healthy,
because I can't wait to see what they do with
these bench guys, the Bruce Browns with Strawther or the
Peyton Watson JV. Like I said, Tim Hardaway Junior, some
pieces there, You're gonna have to sort of experiment, I think.
And that might happen through the regular season, and that's fine.
Maybe that drops a couple wins here or there because
of it, but I go just under them. I think

(06:40):
it's gonna be you know, fifty two to fifty three
type of wins in a loaded Western Conference, Like that's
that's a hell of a record. Yeah, that's a real record.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean if they won fifty three games, they would
have been second in the Western Conference last year.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
The Valanciunis thing is interesting to me.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think this is the most overrated pickup of the
offcas He's gonna play twelve minutes a game. Yeah, but
you saw this team when Yolkic was Okay, oh yeah,
so it's true. I'm not blaming DeAndre Jordan for their
bench being Yeah, he was bad. It's got to be
Murray has to actually carry the team. Cam Johnson has
to carry the team. It's not going to be dumping
the ball into Jonas Valancunis and playing through the post

(07:14):
for him. The guy played back up big for the
Wizards and the Kings last year. We're acting like he's
kream Abdul Jabbar coming off the bench. Yeah, one hundred
for ESPN's one hundred, he was number eighty three.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
K I didn't make that list. Now that is a
bit of a stretch. I just my point is, hopefully
Denver Nuggets don't fall apart when Yokic is not out there.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So you want Yolkic to play less, Maybe he's gonna
I think he's going to want to do that. Their
second years just gonna be better. They started running out
of Dario Sarich last year. Guys time last year. Yeah, well,
I didn't know about his body type that he was
decaying as a man. I mean, he was atrophying. He
looks so he looks so slow out there. Jonas is

(07:55):
going to look slow too, There's no doubt. But there's
just so many more guys. Bringing Bruce Brown back. Tim
Hardaway is capable guy. There's way more guys and another year,
and yeah, I think he should play less. Yokic should
play less just to be to be ready to go.
He's still in his prime. He can play as many
minutes as he wants. It's really how much do they

(08:15):
want it? That's about that. About the over under number
that's going to.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Be gunning for the number one seed. No way, No,
They've already won a title and they weren't a number
one seed if I remember correctly.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
But they are a scrappy bunch. I think they have
enough guys. We didn't mention Christian Brown. He's going to
be part of the unit. This is what he said
leading into the season. Here quote everything we've asked for,
everything in this locker room has wanted, we have. That
just feels like it's a bunch of guys that want
to play hard. Yokic last year, more than any other year,

(08:47):
was vocal and mad and angry, and that's why they
moved on for Michael Malone. In my opinion, that they
just needed they needed a change up. Jokic asked for it,
and so he demands it, and he's still obviously in
his peak powers. So it's a good number.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you got down for fifty five plus wins. Tray
and I had just taken the under for what we
still think is going to be a really, really good team.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
They did get the one seed back in twenty twenty three.
Twenty twenty three, yeah, the year they won the championship.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh okay, so twenty two twenty three, yeah that year. Okay, well,
how many win? Three wins? Fifty three wins? Okay, okay, interesting? Interesting,
So maybe next year they got it.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Hold on when they got fifty seven wins, I guess
they're a second to.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, see, okay, sixty that year.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
But yeah, I mean, like the thing is that they
played Valanchow and it's more it's good for them long
term in the in the playoffs, yeah, and that's really
what matters. But if he plays more, their win total
goes down in the regular season.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
That's how it adds up to me. Okay, let's keep
it moving here in Minnesota. Timberwolves over under forty nine
and a half wins. Are they a fifty win team?
To test Mellis get started.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Here, I'm going over. I think this team is a
fifty win team for sure. Last year we saw Julis
Randall enter that training camp, and he didn't get it
going until literally until March found his way and that's
why this team ended the regular season seventeen and four
in their last.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Twenty one games.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
And maybe it took him a decade to figure out
how to be a number two guy, but he's found it,
and to pair with Anthony Edwards, I think is a
great setup for the rest of this roster too. I
know Nikile Alexander Walker left, but I think there's a
little too much hype around Nikil Alexander Walker. Good player,
but he averaged nine point four points in this team.
A guy who was also traded along with Julius Randall

(10:26):
right before the training camp, Dante DiVincenzo, will be better
because he's had another year there, and they've got other
guys to fill in with TJ. Shannon, that twenty five
year old young player, he ain't young. Rob Dillingham another year,
Jalen Clark another year. I think they've got enough guys
to fill in for Nikile Alexander Walker. I just I

(10:47):
can't bet against Anthony Edwards in year six. I find
that hard to do. They've got other random guys that
they brought in just to help out. They're taking a
flyer on Bones Highland and so I think there'll be
enough guys out there to help out. There's no ownership
squabble like there was last year. It just feels like
Anthony Edwards. You got to start with him. I don't
see him winning fewer than fifty games ever.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Last year.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah, only one.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
The timber Wolves have won fifty or more games one
time in the past twenty years.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Wow. Well and that was two years ago with yeaheah,
two years ago.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I think the cap last season, Yeah, I think it's
a new man. And yeah, the roster is just too good.
It's a it's a it's in our right line. But
I think the way that they finished last year shows
what type of team they should have coming into the season.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, again, a good line. I mean, they're bringing back Nasry,
They're bringing back Julius Randalls. So that means all six
of the Wolves double figures scores from twenty four to
twenty five last year they all returned. So there's a
lot of continuity finally with this team. For a team
that's gone to back to back Western Conference Finals forty
nine last year, fifty sixth the year before. Are you
a split the difference TK and maybe still get the

(11:58):
over Like Tasa saying.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think this one's kind of tough. Because they got
the forty nine wins last year. You assume Anthony Edwards
is going to take at least a minor step forward,
if not a major step forward. For me, preseason number
five MVP candidate, I think he should be like one
of the considered dark horses in Clay case. Things clicked
perfectly from Minnesota, but to get to forty nine wins,
they had to win seventeen of their last twenty one.

(12:19):
They caught fire in the second half of the season
when Julius Randall returned from injury.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
March is a weird time. It's easy to win games.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
If you're really trying, and they were really trying to
get out of the play in tournament last year. Because,
like you're saying, there was two coats of paint on
the Western Conference. I wish they would have replaced Nikhil
Alexander Walker with literally anybody, because I don't think Bones
Highland is really going to have an impact on this team.
I do have a little bit of hope for Terrence
Shannon junior. He played like three hundred minutes last season,
so they're expecting.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
A lot more from him.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
They're expecting a lot more from Dillingham, and they're hoping
that Mike Conley is able to stay at the level
he was last year. And I think that was kind
of a question mark. But I'm still going over. I
think they get right to fifty wins. Not a lot
of confidence in it, but I think I think they
can do it.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
There was a time in late February when Minnesota was
just above five hundred and like they were on the
ninth spot in the Western Conference, and then they ripped
off this run that you guys are saying, in large
part with Julius random coming back and then make another
postseason run to the Western Conference finals. So it is crazy,
like they really struggle for a majority of the year
until they got going in the last couple months. But
I'm with you guys, I think just over, just over

(13:25):
they I'm excited to you know, believe. I guess the
hype of these reports that Anthony Edwards the one thing
he's working on this offseason is the post game. It's
gonna go MJ. Kobe style. That's fun and look, I'm
laughing a little bit, but remember last offseason it was, oh,
he's really working on becoming an elite three point shooter,

(13:46):
and he was the best three point shooter in the league.
He did, so I actually am like, I can't wait
to see him operate in the post, because, yeah, he
led the league in threes made and attempted, and he
was hitting a whole bunch of them. He was like,
hitting what six or seven a game on ten plus
attempt So he did that, he did, and let's see
what he can do in the post. Yeah, I think
that I'm making the difference between the forty nine and
the fifty six to get just over fifty.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
He had a nice preseason possession where he got in
the post.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
We demanded it.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I guess he's going to do that, and that's why
I just I just not betting against the guy in
general because he's a leader. So fifty, I guess sub
fifty are done.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
For his career. I'm just saying that. Now.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
It depends on the rest of the roster obviously, but
it's hard not to believe in Anthony Edwards as he
gets older. Here again, year.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Six, we are starting with the Juggernauts of the Western
Division Denver Minnesota and now we go to the Oklahoma
City thunder over under set at sixty two and a
half TK and they are returning ninety five percent of
their minutes from last season's championship team. And obviously the
big thing this offseason was signing the long term contract

(14:53):
extensions for Sga, J dub and Chad Holmgrit. They won
sixty eight last year, so you know, Vegas is saying, yeah,
maybe take their foot off the gas a little bit,
But do you still think they can hit over sixty
three wins?

Speaker 3 (15:04):
They can lose five more games and still hit the over.
That's pretty ridiculous. And it's like kind of a mixed
bag I think on if teams get better after winning
the championship, Denver and Milwaukee did, Golden State didn't, Boston didn't.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right, like they took a little bit of a step back.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
You throw in the health for OKC, which I also
think is a bit of a mixed bag. Like their
role players Isaiah Hartenstein, Alex Caruso, and Chet Holmgren almossed
significant time fifty six games for Hartenstein, fifty four Caruso,
thirty two for Chet, but they got seventy six games
from Shae Yale just Alexander, sixty nine from j dub
That's what really matters is when your stars.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Play, maybe they feel zero motivation.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
This year they all got paid, they won, They won
every single award that's out there basically, so maybe they're
just like, yeah, we'll just win a minor sixty games.
You also figure, can they get any better?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Sixty eight wins last year?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Four teams ever have won sixty nine or more games,
So I don't think they're going over sixty eight.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm actually going to take the under here. I think
they went about six. Okay, what do you think tests?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah to me the numbers, Yeah, it's a factor here,
dropping eight wins for a team that just comes back
with their extremely talented guys that are likely to get
better in some ways, I don't know because of their age. Yeah,
Jalen Williams has to get better at something like Jason
Wells at Chet as well, who missed a ton of

(16:23):
games last year, just getting over thirty games were played.
Hart Andshein missed the first month of the season, so
they really were they were hurt. Then, Yeah, it's a
big drop off they're literally winning six less games, six
fewer games.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think they do it.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think they they can still win sixty three games easily.
To me, I think they're just a focused bunch. Of course, Yes,
you brought up some good instances like Golden State, maybe
getting a little lax. Boston dropped from sixty four wins
to sixty one wins.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Okay, See, just doesn't seem like that type of bunch.
Focus is the keyword. Yeah, because are they still going
to have the most suffocating defense in the league. Probably yes, yeah, maybe.
I mean, but you said they got the title, they
got all the accolades, Like, I don't think it's far
fetched that maybe the intensity on that end like scales
back a little bit. The problem is if so many

(17:17):
damn guys, like you know, a couple of their star
guys even like scale it back on that, and it's
like all these other guys want to are chomping at
the bit to show what they can deliver to the team.
So I'm gonna go just under though, And you guys
were going and you're bringing up Boston as an example.
They won sixty one games last year, they won sixty
four in the title year. They became the fifth team
this century to win sixty plus games the season after

(17:37):
lifting the Larry O'Brien Trophy. So okay, so he's trying
to add their name to that list. But of the
previous four, only one team, the twelve thirteen Miami Heat,
finished the job and repeated as champs. So another like
just two year dominant run to then go back to back. Okay, see,
obviously want to do that part more than win whatever
sixty to sixty five games, like that's not important. So

(17:57):
I'm going just under. But I still think they're sixty
win team. I just don't think there are sixty three plus.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
The difference is between some of those teams that couldn't
repeat sixty wins is how yump?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
This team is their top eight guys were twenty six
years or younger last year. It's one of the youngest
championship teams in the history of this league. So well,
they keep up that hunger and as you said, guys
come off the bench and just keep on going.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
They keep churning. They had the most double digit wins
in NBA history last year. Like they just smoked teams. Yes,
they had the highest point, the highest ever point differentially
because yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, so well, the top guys get injured. As Trey
brought up, they were freaking healthy, most of them, you know,
outside Chet and Isaiah Hartenstein.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
They're two all NBA guys were super healthy. That's the
big thing. So far, they've lost Thomas Sorber and Nicole
at topitch. Yeah, topich out four to six weeks is
what they're saying. At least he'll be reevaluated after striticular procedure. Yeah,
not a great sounding term, no, I mean, yeah, that's
not great.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, testicular procedure. He's going to miss some time. Take
your time, is what everyone's going to say to that.
So we were excited for him obviously getting a chance here,
but it's going to take a little while, a couple months.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
So you're over over over so far. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
I mean, these are all great teams.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Though, they are great teams, the great teams.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Let's go to the Portland Trailblazers there and unfortunately for them,
I guess are in the Northwest division. Hey yeah, their
line is set at thirty four and a half. Let
me tell you what they did. They brought in Drew
Holliday obviously traded for him. I got Damian Lillard back,
but he won't be playing. He's there for the vibes.
Blake Wesley is also there. DeAndre Ayton out, Anthony Simon's out,
Jabarie Walker out, tasks they went. They played really well

(19:36):
in the second half of the season last year. I
think they finished twenty three and eighteen in the second half.
So if you believe that, you think that's obviously going
to be more than thirty five wins.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
But what do you think I think they'll be a
little bit under Yeah, their defense is going to be
so good. With Drew Holliday, he's going to be spectacular
playing alongside Toi Moni Kamara and Danny Ovoct along with Klingen.
That's a foursome in that starting lineup that is fantastic.
It's probably Sharp to finish out that starting lineup. But
don't thinking score enough? I think that's a fair question.
As good as Sharp has been, as good as Danny

(20:04):
has been at times, I don't know you're really going
to rely on those two guys to score a ton.
Of course, they got the cultural identity last year. Was
this defense that took off late as we've talked about
and Mickey Mouse March. Primarily, this team is just lacking offensively,

(20:27):
and I think that's going to be a problem. So
I think it's it's going to be an under There.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Were thirty six and forty six last year, so yeah,
they're going to be worse.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, I mean the Simon's points are important to me
that they're gone. No, they have other guys that can score,
But who is your number one score from?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
He is for sure? Yeah, that doesn't bode well.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, I didn't even say he wants to start to
yeah yeah, yeah, and he shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, but they
need I'm with you, there are there are going to
be a good defensive team with Klingon playing a lot
more to Moni Kamara is a good defender as well,
made All defense last season. I think Drew Holliday is
going to be an improvement over Scoot Henderson as a starter.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
That guy's out right now as well.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I just think they are lower middle class in the
Western Conference unfortunately, so I think they are going to
go over on their wins. I think they get to
thirty five, but I don't really see this team making
any sort of noise, even though they did have a
really good second half of the season last year.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, breakout seasons sort of, I guess from sharp Danny
avdya fair to say that was a breakout season at
least down the stretch he was putting up monster numbers.
He was probably winning people some fantasy bast the leagues.
He averaged twenty five, eleven and six over the final
sixteen games of the year, so really filling it up.
You had the emergence of Donovan Klingen. Yeah, they got
a defensive identity. I like that. They sort of remind

(21:47):
me a little bit like the Toronto Raptors, like what
they did last year where they finally found some defense
in the second half of the season, sort of were
a five hundred team. That's sort of what Portland was doing. Well.
Are doing as similar in the West. Going just over,
I think they might have the exact same record as
last year. I said, thirty six and forty six, So
I'm going to go just over on Portland in this

(22:09):
tough division, on tough conference.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, the Jeremy Grant factor here making it forty million bucks,
the monster contract that he signed, and if that's sort
of a cloud hanging over this team. I think is
a fair question whether or not he starts or not.
I didn't mention him as a starter because I don't
consider him one of those top guys. But he could
easily start, and the offense or lacking thereof when he's playing,

(22:33):
is a huge question. That's why Chauncey Bros. Brought in
two assistant coaches that are offensive specialists. That's what they are,
because they're so good defensively last year. And Tenny is
freaking awesome. And Shaden Sharp has scored eighteen and a
half last year and you'd think he'd scored fewer than that,
but he is. He's a machine. Drew Hollid it was
one of the first things that he said, My god,
that guy can play as soon as he came in

(22:53):
because he's watching him in person. He's really good. That
being said, that's what the number is. Thirty five, thirty six. Again,
tough West, tough freaking division. They got to play those
other teams four times each. That's doesn't bode well for me.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, final team in the North West Division, the Utah Jazz. Oh,
this votes well for them though, that's just where it
falls off. So the Jazz eighteen and a half wins
lowest in the league. That's right. I guess the Wizards
and Nets were twenty and a half twenty one and
a half respectively when we did Monday Show. But yeah,
Jazz eighteen and a half. Brought in every guy that's

(23:32):
slow in the league. Literally the guy Downsmo, Kevin Love,
he's old, George Niang, that's the minivan. Nurkic maybe slower
than all these guys. They did draft Ace Bailey with
the fifth pick. They got Walter Clayton Junior with the
eighteenth pick. Clarkson gone, Colin's gone, Colin, Sexton gone. TK.
I'll start with you. I mean, is this going to
be the worst team in the West League? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
How many wins? Though one team always is under twenty wins? Okay,
And I definitely think it could be the Jazz is
because they're veterans that they brought in the thing that
ever made them competitive since trading Mitchell and Gobert.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
They're bad.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I mean, they should make Love, Niang Anderson a Nurkic
race like that would be a cool thing to see
at an open practice or something like that.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Who would you be? Four bet equals That's what are
we doing? Are we racing without the ball from base?
I'm just saying, baseline to baseline, no turnaround?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Oh you want to turn around? You want? Okay, Barkley
Bavetta style race, and then who kisses at the end?
Who kisses?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Kevin Love is doing a kiss for sure, he would
understand the mean potential of it, and he would put
on Instagram the Barkley Bavetta race from back in the day.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Uh, I might take Nurkic, Yeah, I believe it.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Literally his coach at euro Baskets like, this guy can't real.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Because he's the youngest. I mean, niang is knee younger.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
I don't know, but U down and back would probably
take twenty five seconds.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
They gotta raise it.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
But the problem with this is, Okay, so seventeen wins
last year, they had thirty seven two years prior, when
they still had some of the remnants from the Gobert
Mitchell era thirty one wins. Last season, Marknen only played
forty seven wins. I think this guy should and likely
will be traded at some point this season because it
feels like a waste of his time to stick around.
The question for the Jazz is literally, are any of
their young guys any good at all, Ace Bailey, Walter

(25:30):
Clayton drafted this year.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
We'll see what they're able to do.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
But like Isaiah Collier, Cody Williams, Taylor Hendrix, like prove
you belong in the NBA, I think is a big
question because only Kyle Philipowski and Bryce Sensiba to me
so far have shown flashes that they could stick in
the league. If you're trying to develop that many guys, your.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Team is going to be bad.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I'm taking under, okay, under eighteen and a half, so
basically replicating what they did last year.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Like Trace saying seventeen wins last year, I'm going over.
It's not a lot of winds. That's not a lot
of wins. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
The last four teams with projected over underwin total of
eighteen and a half or lower finished over Oh well,
because that's how low they were projected. It doesn't mean
that they destroyed that eighteen and a half number, but
it's been a while since it's happened.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
What were the Jazz What was the Jazz's line last year?
I mean it was low, but not this low. It's lower.
I think they were one of my locks. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, well, Market is going to play more. I suppose,
as you said, he may be traded at some point,
so he'll be he'll be playing for that. So I
think that boats well. Ace Bailey is a super talented guy.
I think he does want to be there. I thought
those hike videos that they took together proved to me
that he wants to be there.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I think it starting a guy.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Well over under last year. You'll never guess, You'll never
guess super what it is. It was it thirty one.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I was really high.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, yes, Beyond Market and Bailey, I have faith in
Walter Clayton. He looked great at Florida. He's a champ
to help out. He's an old rookie, he's a four
year college player. He's gonna play. Philip Hopas is gonna play.
Taylor Eddricks might finally started getting some minutes. He was
injured primarily last year, played better in his rookie year

(27:21):
of the year before that. And then you got those
old slow guys who would form a great race. The
four of them are Love, Niang and Nurkicchu just got there,
gonna help out and slowmore. Are they all going to
help out? Just to get these guys across the line
to twenty wins across the line also in that race,

(27:41):
but also to get to well, it's nineteen. I shouldn't say, yeah,
it's nineteen.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
So those are the objectives this year for the Jazz. Basically,
build build up Lowry Markinen's trade value. That's step one
or hope. And then and then I guess the other
objectives to see which one of these young guys, like
you were saying, trade actually pops and it's like a
corner stone that you can sort of like see yourself,
you know, hitching two and build something there. Poor Will
Hardy though man thirty seven wins, the thirty one and

(28:08):
the seventeen last year, and we're basically saying somewhere around
that probably this year at least the worst team in
the conference. They feel like I looked last year. They
won back to back games twice last year. That's it.
Right right before Christmas they went into Detroit and won.
They shot the lights out from three. I think they
hit twenty plus threes in that game. Then they went
to Brooklyn got that victory, and then in early January

(28:30):
they won the old Florida two step. There they scored
one hundred and thirty six points versus the Heat, and
they took down the Pallo Fronds list Magic in a
back to back situation, the only time all season they
went back to back games, all times on the road,
though I know I know that around the holidays too,
I think they caught some of these. Oh yeah, that's

(28:51):
the Jazz were a team you could easily overlook. Yeah,
and you got your mind on Christmas gifts and holiday
playing travel play. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, all that to
say to give you my pick here, I'm with your tests.
I'm going just over. I'm going just over on this
crappy team. But it's so low. And I like that
stat you said, most of these teams that were listed

(29:12):
at eighteen and a half to just get over.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, the last four, the last four with that number
of eighteen and a half or lower, I've finished over.
It's been a while. It's the twenty fourteen seventy six
ers were the last team to do that. The twenty
thirteen seventy six ers also or some trust him. Yeah,
those numbers were sixteen and sixteen and a half. For
those two teams, that was their over under number. So

(29:36):
it doesn't happen a lot. Okay, then we're going back
to the four Bobcats and the one Bowls.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Oh yeah, they were bad. Eighteen and a half was
their number. Yeah, they match this number the Cornell David days.
Oh yeah, that guy was good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Put the pull up on our who the stream team
who wins a down and back race the Shively show.
Here in the stream team says this poll is literally impossible.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Two elders, fat guy and a guy whose name is
literally Saloma. But the results of the poll, what do
you think? Is it Kyle Anderson? No, he's second.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Okay, I think Nurkic is the right pick.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I don't five percent of people go Nurkic.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Wait, Kevin Love is our winner with thirty nine percent
of the vote. Kyle Anderson thirty four, Meeang twenty two,
use off Nurkics five man.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I actually think if I vote, I think I do
go Kyle Anderson. I think the nickname is really holding
him back in it, but I think he should win.
I think once he gets going, he's not that slow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, we got a circle back at the end of
the season and see who has like the on the
tracking data. Who has the highest average miles per hours.
You won't even be able to track like their top
speed and stuff like that. Yeah, okay, well we'll keep
an eye on that, all right. So Tas and I
taking the over eighteen and a half Utah tray San, No,
he's still going under on that very low line. It's

(30:59):
all about a Ja debantsa. That's right for the Jazz,
That's what it's all about. The guy's going to BYU
because the Jazz owner and Danny Ainge are like the
biggest donors to BYU. They're paying him seven million dollars
I think to go and play basketball in Utah for
a year. So I think that's the entire objective is
to get a high enough draft pick that you can
pick that guy.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
That's all right. They could still win nineteen games and
still win that. That's a great point. Yeah, we'll see.
All right, We're going to do the Pacific Division next.

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Speaker 1 (33:08):
All right, time for the Pacific is It Division? If
you're just joining us, hit the like button, subscribe podcast listeners,
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before we get into it. How are you feeling about
the Jays? Still moving forward here? You got this beautiful
jersey on for everybody on YouTube. You got the hat
as well. Put me in the game, you know, tough
one last night, Yankee staying alive, Judge hitting the three

(33:30):
roun Tater hitting the pretty amazing. But what do you
think they bounce back here? Did Judge get on top
of that ball? Ah?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
That was an incredible swing. Credible umpire camera to see that.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I believe in the Toronto Blue Jays. I don't mind
if they lose Game four and go home in the
SkyDome for Game five Friday night. That place well be
at Rockin'. But it's fun. It's just a very, very
fun series so far.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
You love postseason baseball? Who doesn't? I mean, you're right,
I don't watch a single baseball game all year long. Posts.
Some people do not, but some people it's fun. Some
people don't like the postseason.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, I guess if they don't like posts, they just
don't like baseball.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's what I just said. Though I don't really like basebo,
but even I have to admit, you get the drama
of every pitch in the postseason. Was that the best
game of the playoffs so far? It feels like I
feel like I'm seeing blow out? Yeah, I think so.
I think so. I had a little back and forth,
a fair huge comeback by the Yankees.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I thought everybody would be excited, but Danielle sitting beside
me on the couch is flatty hit a homer in
the first freaking inning.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I get excited, man, I would kind of holy crash, yeah,
a slide.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I love John Smoltz on the call saying that third
baseman took a step to his right for that single.
That god, bliddy god Lattie home and then they show
it on the camera immediately it's good.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Smoltz was good. Was good last night? All right? Back
to basketball Pacific Division, start with the Golden State Warriors,
over under set at forty six and a half. They
finally mercifully resigned Jonathan Kaminga so he will be back
season d Anthony Mountain, Gary Payton, the second. They brought
in Al Horford, Seth Curry teaming up with his bro

(35:14):
and the notable departure is Coban Looney leaving in free agency. Tess,
I'll start with you. I will remind you. February fifth,
Warriors were five hundred, twenty five and twenty five, ninth
in the Western Conference. They traded for Jimmy Butler. They
became one of the best teams in the league, finished
twenty three and nine twenty two and five when both
Curry and Butler were playing, got to the seventh seed,

(35:36):
which again was only four wins behind the number two
seed Houston Rockets, So it was that tight. And then
they knocked off the Rockets in a seventh game first
round series, and then Curry got hurt and it was
sort of over. But what do you think hending into
the season forty six and a half. I'm taking the over.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I think this team is far better now that they
have Jimmy Butler there for the whole season, and you
can see them in training camp and Sember where Jimmy
is leading these workouts. Apparently along with Draymond, they are
going to go into the season ready to go. You
could hear Steph in all of his press conferences when
you asked about Jonathan Kaminga, he says that he basically

(36:12):
brushed it off and said, we're here to freaking play basketball,
and this is an NBA. There is a four time
NBA champion. I think they're going to follow his lead.
It feels like the last dance for the Chicago Bulls
to me, and that they're going to be laser focused.
So it's forty six and a half total, and ain't
all that impressive to me. I think they can pass
that and I don't know, forty seven just doesn't sound
like a lot. With Al Horford, the most selfless guy

(36:35):
out there passing to Steph, like those passes will be there.
They started twelve and three last year when they had
some injuries immediately, and so that's why they dropped off,
but they're better than that.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I go over forty six and a half.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, I think there were twenty two and five when Curry, Draymond,
and Jimmy played. After the trade, I just think this
team is sold. They're going to be the first team
in history to start three guys thirty five or older.
They've got three guys who are going to be starting
boor in the nineteen eighties. There are a lot of
teams out there that don't have any players from the
nineteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Isn't that four? Did they have? Is Jimmy not that? Yeah?
Draymond is March nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh I he sneaks out dream Wow.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
He sneaks out of the born in the eighties barely
by a handful of months. But he's still in the
thirty five or older category. All those guys miss time
as well. That's the problem. Curry miss his time, Jimmy
missus time, Draymond and Horford as well. I do love
the fit with Horford. Like playing in one preseason game,
he looks like he is going to understand the system
and how to get in guys' way, how to get

(37:34):
the ball back to Stephan Curry, which is kind of
what the entire system actually is is, how do we
get stuffed.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
The ball to shoot a three pointer.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I think they're a dangerous playoff team. I think they'll
be able to be anybody in the playoffs, assuming that
those four are healthy. But the goal for this season
should be to be out of the play in tournament
for the first time in a while. I personally have
them seventh in my rankings.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I'll go under. I think forty five wins. Okay, Yeah,
you're right about managing the workload. That's got to be
a huge priority the top of the roster, at least
in Curry, Draymond Butler, even Al Horford, which even we
saw the Celtics do and they did it well. You
got to have something left for the playoffs here, so
shouldn't Jonathan Minga help with that? Keep the old heads fresh?
Have you even met the plan here? Or is this

(38:14):
guy just gonna be delpy go and he can January
fifteen phones open? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's interesting. I'm
interested to see how he attacks this season, how they
obviously Curry uses him, or doesn't this idea of like
building up his trade value even more or not that's
I mean, unfortunately, as much as Curry doesn't want to
talk about it, we're going to be all eyes on that, yeah,

(38:35):
and how he plays and how he fits in all
the postgame quotes and all from everybody.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Real no, Yeah, And they tried it last year. They
threw him into that starting roles at January they said,
all right, here it is.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Is he good?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Do you want him? Essentially, it obviously didn't happen. There
are question marks with the bench. You mentioned all the ages,
even for guys from the bench, he said, Seth Curry,
the other guys too, Gary pay in the second, getting older,
obviously getting hurt quite a lot throughout his career. Anthony
Melton is back entered to start the season here. So

(39:07):
there's a ton of injuries. There's gonna be a lot
on guys you don't often talk about, but Gee, Santos, Moses, Moody,
Pods will play a big role on this team.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
The question is whether or not there's gonna play enough
minutes from that starting lineup.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't think so, so I'm going just under that's
my concern as well. They're very old and they're so good,
but like they're just old yeah, and Jimmy, I mean
Jimmy general soreness. He always missing time for sure. And
then yeah, Draymond and Curry. I mean there's going to
be stretches I think where they're gonna miss a couple
of weeks. So that's gonna have an effect on the
rest of the roster and the trickle down effect. But

(39:46):
I'll go just under. Still a good team, but yeah,
it's an old team. And here's another one, the La Clippers.
I guess they're even older when you the totality of
the team, the totality of the minutes, and the players
over under for the Clippers forty seven and a half,
Trey added Bradley Beald, John Collins, Brook Lopez, Chris Paul,

(40:08):
Norman Powell out a mere coffee out and Drew you
Banks out. What do you think of the old Clips here?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
You know they got four guys in the eighties, Wow, Harden,
batoum brook Lopez and Chris Paul. Three of those will
probably start. I mean, buttoom, I guess is a question
Mark brook Lopez, I guess that's only two.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So are they older? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Thirty seven games for Kawhi last season and they still
won fifty games, plus they added a whole bunch of depth.
They've got a great coach in Tylu. In the past
seven seasons since Kawhi Leonards signed with the LA Clippers,
they've gone over forty seven and a half. They've gone
over forty seven wins five times. Like, they just find
ways to win.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I had them.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
They were my biggest whiff last season. We didn't know
what the deal was going to be with when Kawhi
was going to be healthy. With playing Harden didn't look great,
turned into an All Star once again last season. His
team's always make the playoffs, so I think they'll go over.
I don't think they get quite to fifty wins, but
I could see him winning like forty. I think this
is going to be a really, really good team because
if Kawhi miss his time, they thought James Harden. If

(41:06):
James Harden miss his time, they can bring in Chris
Paul to be the point guard for a little bit
of time. They have so much versatility with Collins, with Beal,
with Lopez, with Zubas.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
They can just play so many different styles.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
And Tyler is like one of the coaches out there
who actually gets the most from his players and is
willing to experiment with different formulations.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I like this team just going over.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, it's easy to be positive about this team because
there was a fifty win team. They lost one guy,
but they gained three in collins Brook and Beal.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I see they gained four.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Kawhi Leonard is probably going to start the season. Last year,
he did not. He didn't play until January. He's scheduled
to be playing now. Bradley Beal came in and said, WHOA,
that guy's amazing. I've never seen that guy in person.
You know, you've never seen that guy play. Petree.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, if Kawhi's contract is vointed, this picture go off
the board.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I probably joke about it. But do you think it
will have any impact on the Clipper season at all?
This investigation into Kauhi and the Clippers and Aspiration, this
fraud company. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
My thinking about it is yes it will. I really
don't know because I haven't been around a team that's ever,
Like nobody else has ever been accused of something like this.
Will it factor into the guys on the court, guys
who block out everything? Quie Leonard, I'm sure. I mean
he was good at blocking out. Probably the agreement that
he signed.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
He didn't know, he didn't do anything for that agreement. Yeah,
I don't know. Just pay me.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, I'm taking the under just because I do think
that's a part of it. I think that fact that
there's eleven guys that they're playing that are thirty three
or older. That's freaking old. I mean, that's the average
age of their guy. They have a bunch of young
guys that are going to come in and play a
little bit, but they're super deep, they're super old. I

(42:51):
don't know what this aspiration cloud hanging over them will
actually do to how they factor into the desire to play.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I really don't want to see the.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
All Star Game in that arena, just the fact that
we're all basketball fans here and we may see if
they're if he is deemed to be guilty, if the
Clippers are deemed to be guilty. It's about integrity here,
and then they may not they may not even decide
on this or end the investigation until after the All
Star Game in that freaking arena, which is odd.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
It's gonna be there in the twenty six All Star
games there.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, they're not taking away, they're probably not gonna the amount.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
We're gonna play it all Star Week, Unbelievers. The highlight event
of the lake end.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
We're gonna be hugging trees if we get to go. Yeah,
that's a bunch of our videos will be us hugging trees.
It's just weird that they won't end the investigation until
after February. If that's the case, it sure feels like
Adam Silver said that what are we doing here? So
that part is, yeah, unfortunate for me. And that's why
I'm in on the under on this team, even though

(43:54):
the guy's playing on this team. The Trey went through
the names, seems like a fifty win team.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm always wrong about the Clippers. I
always want to take the under on them. I probably
will again. I'm like the whole Kawhi aspiration thing. I
think Zilla wrote that of all the players least likely
to be bothered by an off court scandal, Kawhi is
probably like candidate number one. I agree with that, Like,
I don't think it's going to impact him. To me
with the clips though, is how great James Harden was

(44:21):
last season. He was awesome. He was so good, he
was healthy. Can he replicate that in year, what's he at?
I mean, he's up there and I don't know what
year he's at, seventeen, something like sixteen, seventeen, seventeen. Jesus, Like,
can he do that again and put back to back seasons?
He was super important. Yeah, you got Chris Paul w
to like sop up some of the minutes if he
miss his time. But I think James Harden was like

(44:41):
even I'm admitting, like overlooked last year. So I'm gonna
go just under just under forty seven and a half
right around there. But they're there, man, I got a
lot of guys. The roster is stacked, like, I mean,
we barely even talked about Beale if you believe he
can still contribute. And John Collins is a bad player,
especially in a role like Dnamach healthy potential enough, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah he wasn't healthy at EuroBasket, but yeah he's always
not healthy.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
They don't need as much from him. No, that's the thing.
They don't get much from all these old guys. They
just have so many old guys. Are they like that
dominant YMCA team and nobody bunts to play like damn,
we're gonna We're gonna smoke these old guys and they're like,
oh god, no, they're crafty as hell. So but I'll
just go under tray the only one going just over
right forty seven and a half. In regards to James Harden,
just a fun fact, he surpassed Ray Allen number two

(45:32):
all time on three pointers made. He's closing in on
more milestones this year. He's six hundred and three points
shy of Carmelo Anthony for tenth on the NBA's all
time scoring list, and just nine hundred and nine points
away from Shack. So James Harden is likely going to
pass Mellow and Shack here on the all time list,
just continuing to go up that it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
The best offensive player in the game, said Daryl Morey.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Because said Daryl all Right, from one LA team to
the other, the Lakers over under forty nine and a half.
Tasks will start with you that bring in DeAndre Ayton,
Jake Larevia, Marcus Smart, Dorian Finney, Smith is gone, Jordan
Goodwin is gone. Those are the notable names. How do
you feel about the Luca Lebron pairing with coach JJ

(46:18):
Reddick here in season number two. I think this isn't over.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Last year was concerned with their defense when they trade
Anthony Davis. They just weren't big enough, and they somehow
efforted an incredible finish to this team and incredible finish
to that season without the height. And so after Dory
and Finney Smith left, I thought, do they have that
same hunger level? I think they have replaced that a
decent amount. Marcus Smart is there, he's already practicing again.

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He had that achilles tendonopathy issue, but he's back baby.
Jared Vanderbilt is out there looking better than he did
last season when he had the guard centers. Now he
can guard the ball. So one of those guys is
probably gonna start. I think Ruy goes to the bench, uh,
and there will be a hunger level. I think enough
of these guys plus some fricking height. Now with DeAndre

(47:07):
Ayton and Jackson Hayes being their centers, I think they
have enough. I think there is a chemistry there. Lucas
forget about how skinny he is or whatever. It seems
like he knows how to lead a team now for
the first time really that he's had to do this.
They're going to try out Porsches. As Dave mcmanhmon reported,
they're going to experience driving. Hey, you guys want to bond,

(47:31):
let's go test drive. Back Street Boys over the summer. Yeah,
the sphere, Yeah, everybody paid for so cool. I think
I think there's gonna be one hundred. Defensively, there's obviously
they're they're really really good. Marcus mart takes the floor,
Jared Vanderbilt takes the floor. They will they that's the question.
They're gonna be hungry when they're out there. But will

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either one of those guys get injured? Who they are
prone to injury? As much as I am a Vanderbilt lover,
he gets injured quite a lot.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I love for Gabe Vincent.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, I'm just going to skip over him right now.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
All with the clean shaven face. At one point this
summer like messed up.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
It was weird. Yeah, they talked about it. Don't worry.
His stuff is back. I saw it maybe like Jovan Buha.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
So we're going over there. I'm going over a.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Team with Luca. Yeah, the best, Yes, And.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I think this is going to be the best Luca
leader that we've seen or you know, we've heard of anyway,
we don't really see him leading that much. But I
think yes, I think all the recipe, the ingredients were
a good solid recipe.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Are there?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
What do you think Trey Luca teams haven't really been
that good in the regular season. He's never won more
than fifty two games in a season, never or he's
won fifty or more twice in his career, despite being
a first team All NBA player. The defense is interesting
to me because I agree they beefed up inside, but
I don't think they can guard anybody on the perimeter.

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Reeves is going to start, Luca is going to start.
I don't think Marcus Smart is a starting caliber player
at this point. Vanderbilt I don't think so either. I
think they will stick with Ruey, especially since he's been there.
JJ Reddick likes the guy, and I don't think DeAndre
Ayden isn't necessarily good enough to clean up the messes
for those guys. Dorian Finney Smith was a big piece
for them last year. Their main goal is just like

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the Warriors, they got to stay healthy. They got to
get out of the play in tournament. I think this
team is maybe the top heaviest of anybody in the league.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
They got Luca and Lebron.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
If either of those two go down, bad stuff ensues
for the Lakers, I'll go under.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I think they get to like forty nine ones. I
was going to go over until Lebron's second decision AD,
so I'm going under now. No many other reasons, but
I'm going under. Can we ask what you thought of that? Though?
I mean it was so so lame?

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I agree, Yeah, Like the decision is one of the
pivotal moments in NBA history, certainly in the twenty first century.
It was going to be parodied at some point. They
did it for a limited edition bottle of Hennessy, which
apparently isn't all that limited edition very dumb.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, there's lots of vsops out there.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, but this one says the bottle. Yeah. It was
pretty cringe, no doubt, pretty corny. Tass he didn't mind it.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I did not watch the ad. I watched as soon
as I saw the promo. I was intrigued as everybody else.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Did you think he was retiring or did you think
it was I did not think he was retiring.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I thought it could have been linked with Amazon.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
That's a lot of people did.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
It was a Prime Days just just got rights to
show games. I thought that was a perfect connection. But
he is on a load management cycle here that he's
never been on. He's not practicing as much with the team.
He's not playing a game in the preseason. He's not
playing until the games start. That's the first time he's

(50:59):
done that. Does that matter? I don't think so. He's
got a nerve ending in his a nerve issue with
in his glute. You can bet your ass that he'll
be fine for the regular season.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Can you bet his ass?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I bet on his ass.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Is there a bet the game he'll start to be
at the beginning of the season. Luca's not playing in
games now either. He's practicing though, while Lebron really isn't.
So there's yeah, worries about those guys being old and
Marcus Smart and Jared Vanderbilt.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I get. I think one of those guys is going to.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Start because they need somebody beside Luca, Lebron and Austin
Reeves to play the perimeter. But will they be able
to play more than fifty games? That's a question for
both those guys Smartest freaking Old and Jared Vanderbilt has
been injury prone. Now did you keep saying it looks

(51:47):
like pre injury Jared Vanderbilt out there, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, I go wonder because I do have so many
questions you guys already brought up. Can they play above
average defense? I'm a little concerned about that. Eton is
your center, and you do have Luca not known as
a defensive stopper, and you got Lebron at this point
of his career maybe worried about the Hennessy ads instead
of obviously giving it his all at his age on
the defensive end. So you're going to be asking Marcus Smart,
who played what fifty four games combined over the past

(52:14):
two seasons, to return to some sort of form. Same
with Vanderbilt be healthy. Can Austin Reeves sort of level up?
Where does he in the mix here? And I think,
I mean it's an improvement, don't get me wrong from
Jackson Hayes, but DeAndre Ayton is going to like give
JJ Redick a lot of headaches as well, and how
he's incorporated as a huge que So I think there's

(52:35):
still a good team because you got Lebron and Luca.
But I'm going under forty nine and a half. I
think they're going to be you know, forty five to
forty eight or something like that. Just coming under to me.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, one of these LA teams are going to disappoint defensively,
I think, even though the Clippers are a Tyran lou
led team and they were incredible last year, but it
is a question mark getting older and how much they're
going to play in the defense eve end. Somehow, the
Lakers under JJ Redick were all awesome. After Anthony Davis
was traded, they played improved hard for him. That being said,

(53:08):
you know, they added guys that instead of Dorian Finney Smith.
That's the big question with them is will those guys
compensate what they lose in Dorian Finney Smith.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
I think the key for the Lakers is they don't
really need to be a good defensive team. They can't
be a bad offensive team. They finished fifteenth on the
defensive end twelfth last year. They should be a top
five offensive team with Luka Doncic and Lebron James handling
most of the possessions. So I would start your best
offensive players because your best defensive players aren't that great.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Right right. Phoenix Suns over under thirty one and a half.
TK Now they did a lot. This team like completely
sort of changed their roster. Here. They bring in Dylan Brooks,
Jalen Green, Mark Williams, Jordan Goodwin, Nigel Hayes, Davis, Jared Butler.
They got the tenth pick in Melowatch there the Duke product,
Los Bial, Durant, Jones, Lee Martin meetsch plum Dog ty

(53:59):
Tywan Shington junior teat and I had totally forgotten they're
on their fourth coach in as many seasons. Here, quick
trigger question, who's their coach? Steve Yeah, former Calvs offensive
architect Jordan Ought is their coach? I did? I legit

(54:19):
forgot that? So thirty one and it's crazy, Trey, it's low.
I mean, there's still some talent here, but what do
you think?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Can't keep a coach, can't keep their arena the same
name four coaches Since twenty twenty, they've been talking Stick
Resort Arena, Phoenix Suns Arena, Footprint Center, PHX Arena, and
do you know what they are this season?

Speaker 1 (54:38):
No? No, you don't, Mortgage matchup center. Yes, cool? Beat
you down at the Morgan.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
NBA team changing their sponsor weird every two years?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Is that a matt Ish A.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Yes, it is a matt Ishbia project, the mortgage matchup center.
You related to one of his companies, So maybe this
one will stick around for a little bit. Unlike their coach,
but this is a sad story. They went fifty one wins,
sixty four, forty five, forty nine, thirty six last season.
They turned themselves into the Charlotte Hornets. I don't know
how it happened. They've got the entire starting or center

(55:12):
rotation from last year Charlotte Hornets in Mark Williams and
Nick Richards. People were talking up Nick Richards last year.
That's how weird the Hornets are. This is the team
I'm maybe the least excited to watch in the NBA,
not enthused at all. Thirty six wins last year, they
were eleventh though in clutch wins pretty good. Actually, they
were pretty solid in the clutch. I think they were

(55:33):
maybe like twenty three and eighteen, twenty three and nineteen
something like that. Guess what they traded away their best
clutch player, Kevin Durant was the man leading the way
for them last year. So I'm going to go under
on the Suns. I think like thirty wins, and I
just wonder how long Devin Booker is going to be
happy to be sticking around. You pay him seventy five
million dollars, so probably pretty happy at least this season.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Give it a go. Yeah, we'll see when I finished
thirty and fifty two.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Though, Yeah, I too aim on the under They have
changed so much about the roster, They've changed their front office.
So I think overall for the Phoenix Suns, they're in
a different direction. They've got a path set, so that's
a positive for them. Yeah, I agree with that, So
we will see what they can do. But there's just
so many question marks on the roster. Yeah, looking forward

(56:15):
to Jalen Green now with Devin Booker and Dylan Brooks
as their perimeter guys, all three are going to be
starting to see what Jayllen Green can do alongside Devin Booker.
Just as a basketball fan, that's going to be cool.
But but but yeah, the questions are endless on this team.
You mentioned the big guys and Mark Williams and Nick Richards,
You're you're starting the Charlotte Hornets centers. Really, Kevin Malowatch,

(56:39):
they called him man Man and Duke apparently that was
his nickname man Yeah, because his name is Kaman and
his teammates didn't want to say come on while they're
on the floor, so they call him man Man. That's
what he said. So him and then Ryan Dunn Olsu Goodaro.
They haven't really shown that they can be lead front unit.

(57:01):
You know, the big forwards are huge questions on this team.
I think it's endless. Yeah, maybe Nigel Hayes Davis that
you threw out there, it was a thirty year old
playing in Europe after he didn't make it in the
NBA can be a guy out there. But I don't
think there's enough. But they do have, like the Kobe Bria,
guys that can score that are fun to watch, but

(57:21):
they're not gonna win a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
I'm swerving. I'm gonna go just over on the Phoenix
Suns thirty one and a half because the question here is, yeah,
they lost so much talent, no doubt, look at the
two rosters. They lost talent, But did they gain some
guys with at least a bit of an edge to them,
Like Dylan Brooks. For as much as we make fun
of him, he raises at least the level of competition

(57:43):
on a team. I think in practice, I think it
translates to the floor. And so they have these like
all these guys you guys are listing, it's like they
might be hungry to prove a point and that might
get them just to like low thirty wins. They do
still have been on Burker. It's low. It's low, And
I'm just saying they will just hit this like I'm
not going like crazy that they're flirting even with a
playing spot where they would take how many wins, you know,

(58:05):
forty in the Western Conference at least more, but low,
low thirty one and a half, I don't mind it.
I'm gonna take the over I at least the energy
I think with this team, with now Durant removed and
being obviously not there, I think it's gonna make a
little bit more sense. You guys brought up a great
point about the Biggs. It's not not that's tough. You

(58:27):
guys are, And I even like those guys, probably more
than most, but even I'll admit, well, that is a
tough rotation. But I still have a little bit of
a Devin Booker fan, and I love that again, these
some of these cast offs. I think that maybe sort
of these misfits might work together a round booker to
get to thirty three wins or something. So I'll go
over like, do you think the Phoenix Suns are going
to be Well, we're gonna talk about the Sacramento Kings,

(58:49):
Like are they better or worse than the Kings or
the Pelicans. We'll find out because we'll talk about those teams.
But that's where you know, and that's where I'm like
debating they will be better than Pelicans worse than the Kings. Well,
let's talking.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I think I think they should be coached by Steve Ott,
as I said, who's a Steve Yeah, he's a hockey coach.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I think.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I think that's where I said Steve Ott and said.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Jordan might be good as a coach.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
It's true, but how much because he's been under Kenny Atkinson.
He knows how to move the ball. I think all
guys are gonna be involved in the offense, but really
there's guys that just haven't succeeded in other places. And
Mark Wims and Nick Richards this year little they're they're
trying out guys, they're trying them out.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
He's still there, Yeah, he's there. Yeah, a lot of.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
It's funny to hear players who are hyped up last year,
like off no as.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Little on a veteran minimum. This guy is going to
be the real deal.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
People were picking Mike Budenholzer to win Coach of the
Year last preseason.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, some of us were very high on the Suns
last year. Guilty. But now they've got to win thirty
two games over again, all right, Kings thirty four and
a half not much better than Phoenix here. Tess Sarich
is in your guy. I love him. You Banks, Dennis Shruder.
They drafted Nee Clifford. A lot of people are talking

(01:00:08):
him up. You might have a role on this team.
The twenty fourth pick there, and then they lost Mason Jones,
Jake Laavia JV. So you know, for the most part,
what starting lineup of Shrewder, Monk, Levigne, de Rosan Sabonis.
I guess Monk could be coming off the bench whatever.
He's like their main guys Kim Murray, sorry Coley forgot him,
so it'd be h Monk off the bench. What do

(01:00:30):
you think thirty four and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I'm going over Okay, I have faith in a Dennis
Shruder led offense. We saw him win in Germany. We
saw what he did to start last year with the
Brooklyn Nets. Now they started at nine and eleven. Let's
let's extrapolate that over eighty two, they're going to win
thirty four and a half. I think last year they

(01:00:51):
finished really strong. The second one of game has finished
really strong. Fifteen and seventeen in their last thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I mean that's you were going to say twenty seven
and twenty four Doug Christy as their coach.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Oh yeah, over five hundred fifteen and seventeen is finishing straw.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Over Underwinter wins was thirty four and a half. Then, yeah,
and this is this is in Mickey Mouse March. It's
Mickey Mouse March plus Friendly February. I mean, that's just
whatever the term is Refebruary those that's two months. There's
just so much freaking talent. With a couple hungry guys
in kean Ellis and a full season to Devin Carter,

(01:01:28):
We'll see what nee Clawford Clifford can do. But they
are lacking big wings, that's for sure. Keith and Murray
is their number one at the four. DeRozan is their
other four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I guess that's why Neie Clifford is going to play.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the depth is an issue. But thirty
four and a half for all these talented guys, And again,
Dennis Shruder knows how to lead a team. He was
leading a team with Jordy Fernandez as their head coach.
Doug Christy, what was the record that he had under.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Twenty seven and twenty four? So up and said, look
at this beam. Oh, I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
That's close.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Yeah, sounds like close to a five hundred club. Okay, close,
So you're going over. Yeah, I'm going over thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Four and a half. I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I think the Kings are a little overheted right now.
I think they're gonna be good on offense. They got
a lot of good offensive players. Of course, they just
can't guard anybody. But that's fine. You can win a
lot of games by outscoring the opponent. It'll come down
to clutch play. I think for the Kings this year
they were nineteen and twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
In the clutch.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Last year you get a little bit better luck. Twenty
three and nineteen clutch. Who knows, but thirty five wins
is such a low number to clear the over, so
I'm gonna go over. They have been bleeding wins. They
went from forty eight to forty six to forty. They
seem like they are trending in the wrong direction. I
one hundred percent agree with that. But you put Levin
and de Rozen together, you're gonna win about forty games.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, you should be. You're right, they should be still
around a top ten offense, at least they were last year. Yeah,
it's how they're gonna stop guys, even though they have, like, yeah,
maybe a healthy Devin Carter helps, and we know ken
Ellis is good defensively, and Nee Clifford is sort of
being you know, a lotted is that as well. But like,
you're not gonna play all those guys together by any means,
so they're gonna have to try and slow the better

(01:03:02):
players on the other team. I'm with you, guys, though
it's too low. This is thirty nine and a half,
thirty and a half. I think you're like, oh, I
don't know. I think there's still a thirty five plus
win team with the talent they have, as long as
Sabonis and Keegan Murray and you know, maybe Zachlavine can
stay healthy. It's really I think they're quite shallow once
those guys, the mean guys are gone. Yeah, but I'm

(01:03:22):
with you. We're all taking the kings over light the beam, baby?
What could go wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
All? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Final division?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Southwest Division, Dallas Mavericks forty one and a half. Tray
Cooper flag, Yeah, you look good. Preseason action stat stuffer
Man look solid. D'Angelo Russell is sort of in there
to be their starting point guard with Kyrie Irving on
the shelf that at least start the season, who knows
how long he misses, and then Spencer did what he left.
I mean that's sort of it. Forty one and a half.

(01:03:52):
Where are you going with this one? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Thirty nine and forty three last year, But I think
their last year record is like the least informative of
maybe any team.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Looking ahead for the season, I think they got.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
A pretty good top nine despite having basically no guard depth.
They're going to be great defensively with Cooper alongside whichever
big guys they decide to start. Like it's looking like
Derek Lively, who his measurements came in seven foot one
as predicted the guy didn't. Row was lying lying. People
believed that Anthony Davis he'll be starting. That means to

(01:04:25):
bring PJ. Washington the bench.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
The guy's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, Daniel Grafford really good player. The problem is they're
only going to make two pointers. Last year there were
twenty sixth in three point shooting, and that's with Luka
Doncic and Kyrie Irving playing huge chunks of the season
for this team, this team probably will lead the league
in two pointers, mate. I would have to imagine maybe
Denver is up there as well, with the you know,
Jokic never missing. Main question for me is like, well,

(01:04:50):
Cooper flag be an All Star this year. Only sixteen
slots for Americans, so he probably gets squeezed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Oh yeah right, I thought about that. Yeah, and that's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
That's why I'm like, Jamal Murray Sally had a good
chance of making your first All Star team. Yeah, because
you know, he might be one of the eight best
international players and not the twenty four best NBA player. Ye,
So there'll be a good list eventually, guys who are
going to benefit from this and guys who won't. Cooper
will not forty two wins though for the maps. I'll
take the over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
WHOA okay, same, I'm going over. I think Anthony Davis's
goggles are going to help him stay healthy. You got
that guy on the floor with a Cooper flag beside him,
who looks good defensively. He can guard anybody on the perimeter.
So why wouldn't they be a good defensive team. It
is a fair question. Do they have three point shooting?

(01:05:36):
It's Dangel Russell, It's Klay Thompson, and you know, Max
Christy can hit something good percentages. He doesn't shoot a
lot of them, but that's your trio and PJ. Washington
can hang out in the corner. I think there's enough
to get it until Kyrie Irving comes back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Do you think Kyri Iering comes back this season? I
think so, you do? Yeah, I think I'll play fair enough. Yeah,
I mean an injury occurred pretty late in the season.
He's what mid thirties when he comes back, and he's
a guy that relies on athleticism and speed and all that,
I maybe slow play him, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yeah, they slow They should slow play him. It was
March right last year on the twitch that he was on.
I always assume it's twitch. I think it was streaming.
He was streaming something. He said, I'm not saying that
I'm coming back next year. I'm not locking it in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I guess he just doesn't want to say that to
his twitch fans.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Him and Kid are sort of saying that, yeah, maybe
won't come back. Where it feels like the front office,
like I think it was, Nico Harrison was more leaning
towards oh yeah, kyriering, we'll be back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
You know, and Jason kidds Jason Kids is going to
take credit for turning Cooper Flag into a point guard.
I think that's what he like he did with Honest,
you did with you exactly the same thing. Because Cooper
can't handle the ball and bring it up and they
need guard help. So I think they've got enough. I'm
taking the over The defense will be super, super good.
I think Angela Russell is just kind of an overlook player,

(01:07:01):
but he can score.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
He's streaky. Yeah, he's streaky. But they could really use
a really from three type year from D'andela Russell.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Right, yeah, yeah, they would take forty from the field
eight last year, he was brutal last year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Bounce back season, bounce back season. Yeah, in the year
that he got traded. But he's got that chemistry with
Anthony Davis going back to his LA days, a lot
of talent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, the question is is scoring. I found this one.
This was like one of the toughest teams. I think,
like the most perplexing teams. Like I could talk myself
into a really bad year of course, and then a
surprising good year. But I'm with you, guys. We all
have the Mavericks over forty one and a half. Yeah,
that's a damn good starting lineup. Russell, Clay Thompson, Cooper

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ad with the goggles and then Derek Lively that's and
then you a good front court. That's a good Yeah. Look,
there's a lot of more pressure on Russell and it's
also there's a lot of pressure on Cooper flag to
be awesome right out of the gate. Like that's what
we're sort of like banking on your little bit with this.
But I'll go over with you guys. Forty one and
a half, Dallas Mavericks, stay in Texas. Houston Rockets fifty

(01:08:08):
two and a half. Kevin Duran is there, Dorrian Finney
Smith is there, Clint Capello is there? Why is he there. Hey,
Clint just wanted to come play for the Houston Rockets,
Josha Kogi, and they lost Dylan Brooks, Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore,
Jock Landell, and unfortunately Fred van Vliet, who will not
be playing probably for the season. What do you think

(01:08:28):
tasks start with you fifty two and a half on Houston?
Where are you going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
After such a good year last year where they won
fifty two games. I'm taking the under. It's surprising to
me to do this to a squad that's fairly loaded.
But yeah, the Fred van Vliet injury I think helps
excuse me hurts now handling the ball Steady Friday was
that last year and now they're just going to have
to throw in a bunch of guys do it by committee.

(01:08:54):
Here ament Thompson bring it up. Let's see what Reed
Shepherd can do. There's there's so many guys there. I
think there's some wo We just talked about Dallas Maverick
setting three point shots. Who's hitting threes on this team?
Last year they were bottom a third of the league
in three points attempt to three point percentage stretching the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
So I think that's a fair question. Dorrian Finney Smith. Yeah,
he could be the answer to that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
He's hurt to start the season now, he probably is
going to play soon ish. I like this quote that
he said he had ankle surgery in the off season.
He said, quote, I probably made the injury worse because
my nut ass don't want to sit down. Excuse my language,
not my language, Phinney Smith said, my nut ass. Now
they have question marks. Okay, so we know Duran Shrang

(01:09:36):
Goon Thompson's starting. Try Easton wants to start, Jerry Smith
wants to start. I think there's just a lot of
questions going into a team that you're playing Western Conference
teams right off the bat. You're a huge team, but
can you handle it enough? The names are so good,
but I worry about the guard play. I think that's
I think that's fair. That's fair worry. So fifty two

(01:09:58):
wins is a lot. I'm going under two.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
K Yeah, this is the one I did most of
my prep yesterday, like going through and picking where I
thought it was going to be. Then I woke up
this morning and this was the one I regretted the
most because I am going.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
To go over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Okay, I think they can get to fifty three wins,
but the three point shooting is a huge, huge question mark.
They lost their top three three point shooters from last
season once Fred van Vliet went out with injury. I
have to imagine they're regretting signing Compella, Like you should
have signed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
A backup point guard. You didn't need a third center.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Yeah, when you got a guy who could make all
NBA as the starter, that just doesn't make any sense
to me. They have basically all fours on their team.
Even Eason is a four. Jabari Smith Junior is a four.
I think Jabari should probably start just because he takes
more threes than Easton does and they need that sort
of thing. Sixth then clutch wins as well. Last season,

(01:10:48):
like they had a good clutch season and their clutch
offense was basically Fred van Vliet just shoot a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Bomb and it went in a lot. So they lost him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
They replaced him with Kevin Durant to take the clutch shots.
But how much better can you get than sixth only
five places? You know, that's not going to change the math.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
A whole lot.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
So I am going to go over like I think
Red Shepherd is in a pretty good situation. He does
need to really take a step forward and look like
an NBA player this season. They need him to shoot
the ball like he did in college, like he did
in high school, because he wasn't even a good shooter
last year in the very few minutes that he played,
so and not confident.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Over on the Houston Rockets, Okay, interesting, I'm going with
tast I'm going just under the fifty two and a half,
right around the same record they had last year. You
said fifty two wins, so somewhere between fifty and fifty two.
I look at them sort of like I looked at
the Pistons and we did the Monday East over underpicks,
like this idea of like, well, they should be better,
guys should level up. They have all this young talent,

(01:11:43):
probably because they have a Thompson twin on it as well.
And I look at the Rockets and I think that's
same thing too. But then I'm like, it's not sometimes
as linear as just keep adding wins, keep bating, keep
betting wins. I think it's just going to be around
the same. They'll be fine, and they're going to be
a contender if everybody's healthy to win the whole title
or win the West, so one just under. I wonder
what I would have done if Van Vliet was playing

(01:12:04):
and he was just like their lead guard, and that
wouldn't have any questions about that. I don't know if
the line would have been different. Is that like fifty
four and a half if Van Vliet's there? Does this
even take into consideration the van lead injury? I assume
it does. But I'm with tests. I'll go just under
tray the only one over reluctantly. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Yeah, Yeah, fifty three is a high number though. Man,
it's a high number for a team that can't shoot threes.
But they're gonna have an awesome defense. They should have
a top five defense, and that's really good for regular season.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Yeah, and you know, when emai Udoaka is making these
decisions about who's going to start and who's going to
close games, he's going to more times than not veer
towards the guy that brings it defensively, like that's what
he does.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, there's no doubt, and they're going to play the
biggest lineup in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
NBA history question mark.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I don't know, literally, they may run out because they're
lacking guys especially, but oh, with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Aman Thompson as your point guard, you're saying, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Yeah, I mean just a total together of five guys,
they're gonna be huge. They could literally throw out of
Steven Adams alongside Albert and Sheng Goon, plus Kevin Durant
the guy seven feet plus and A'mn Thompson and a
Jabari Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
I mean they're monstrous, that's true. Not a lot of
shooting out there, But Katie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Well, that's what they like. Raphaelstone, that's what he's what
they like. I suppose it's why they wouldn't go clink upout.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
They just got big. They got bigger. Yeah, shooting's overrated,
just as big.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Yeah, they're like, we're gonna miss a ton, so we
should have as many centers as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, they were good at offensive rebounding last year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
You got Steven Adams on your team, you're always gonna
be good at offensive remand all right, Memphis Grizzlies over
under thirty nine and a half for you who were
starting with hero start with you, Trey thirty nine and
a half.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Memphis, Yeah, forty eight wins for the Grizzlies last season.
You would have thought they won thirty games with the
way they're thought of, but they did lose Desmond Bay
and they lost Jay Hoff and guess what, everybody's already
hurt for the Memphis Grizzlies, just like always. Jared Jackson
Junior and Zach Edy off season surgery. They're not ready
at the start of the season though.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Triple J.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
I'll be back sooner. Brandon Clark out yep. John Morant
week to week out with a sprained ankle. But in
for their last five seasons, they've gone over five hundred.
The only year they didn't was when Ja Morant played
nine games. This team is able to win games. When
Jaron Jackson Junior plays, they play at a forty seven
win place. I think he'll be back sort of soon. Yeah,

(01:14:23):
I'm going over. I think they're about a five hundred
team forty one wins. I think the number is just
a little bit too low here for the Grizzlies.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Okay, yeah, I think Ziller noted when you have that
base duo of Ja Morant Triple J, you just you
win regular season games. Yeah, I guess so if they're
at all healthy ish, and then they always find these
diamonds in the rough to plug and play too, so
feels low tasks. So that's why TK is going over
thirty nine a half.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
What do you I'm with your tray feels super low
with the team that won forty eight games last year.
But then if you say that both Jaron Jackson Junior
and Jamorrant, their top two players are going to be
out for a while, then that factors in. But John Moran,
it's sure, you like he's going to be back very soon.
I think he should be back for the regular season.
Even though it's week to week. He says that it's
totally fine. It's at ankle injury that he just turned

(01:15:07):
this past weekend. Here as we record October eighth, it
seems fine. Jaron Jackson Junior again shouldn't be too long.
I think they have a defensive readiness every single season.
They are ready. Jalen Wells was ready. They added a
KCP who, yes, not a great offensive player, but will
help out the defensively he does. They drafted Cedric Coward.
They traded up for Cedric Coward because he is a

(01:15:29):
monster in terms of lengthy six to six, seven to
two with that wingspan. He already drew a charge in preseason.
So I think there's enough defensive guys and then the
offensive guys if we talk about their top two. But
there's a Ti Jeromo there, I think I can drop twenty,
no problem. Santio Aldama more role for him this year.
That's a huge drop off to lose nine fewer games

(01:15:50):
from forty eight down to thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
So I think it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah, five hundred team I think is easily accessible for
these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
This is my dumbest pick. I'm going under. And the
only reason I'm going under is because, like when you
start looking at all of the teams, you're either going
over on or under on. I'm like, I gotta go
under on a couple of these squads, and they sort
of were just like they were my pick in the end.
I don't have a lot of rhyme or reason. You
guys sort of made great cases to like why can't
this be a forty forty one win team at the
very least? But I'm going under on Memphis. Huge part

(01:16:21):
just like, yeah, already coming in with your two best guys,
banged up your third best guy, dealt for you know,
teenagers future draft picks. I'm talking about Desmond Baine to
Orlando and then like all these other guys are like,
I'm not as high on Ty Jerome being suddenly like
this fill in placement for Desmond Bain as maybe some

(01:16:42):
are so. I just think if those guys are banged
up at all, their main guys, somebody's got to get
lose games here in the Western Conference, and maybe they're
on the other short end of the stick. I'll go under.
Don't feel confident about it. New Orlean Pelicans thirty one
and a half or going lower on these skinny's. Ion tasmelis,
can he not get them to thirty two plus wins?

(01:17:04):
They added Sadik bay Looney, Jordan Poole is there. They
drafted Fears with the seventh pick, The drafted up to
get Derek Queen. Maybe a little questionable there what they're doing.
But they lost CJ. McCollum, Kelly Olynnok, Brandon Boston Junior,
Bruce Brown. What do you think thirty one and a half?
Is this a tough one for you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
It all comes down to Zion Williamson playing basketball. As
we've said before, I'm buying into the skinny Zion, not
only after all the talk and the photos of him,
but he took his shirt off. Hey went in Australia
for training camp. He is skinny now, It's not like
six packs skinny, but skinny enough. I think at this

(01:17:49):
point of his career now, if he's playing, then this
team is way better than a thirty one and a
half win team. He's being challenged by Joe Dumers as
he said, he said, this is this is my guy.
Joe was his guy, and I guess David Griffin didn't
do that in the front office. He just feels like
more that there's more on his shoulders. He called this
making this transition is what he said. So he feels

(01:18:12):
like it's a transition year. Am I buying into that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Maybe, but it wasn't about losing weight in the off season.
It was about learning how to fix his buddy in
the regular season last year because they started six and
twenty four. He heard his hamstring and he talked about
what the trainer did to him to come back, eat
right and all that. So it's not like, oh it's July,
I'm eating well. I think it was a whole year

(01:18:36):
process and on buying in pain off. Yeah, thirty two wins.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Is it's low.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It is nothing. Any of the talent is there beside him,
But it really does come down to that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Yeah, it might be as simple as that. New Orleans
also ranks last in the NBA and roster continuity. According
to our guy John Schumann, who's always crunching these numbers,
they are saying goodbye to a staggering fifty percent of
last minutes. So it is big overhaul here. And de
Jonte Murray's not going to be there to start the
season Tray He's out with the torn achilles tendon. I

(01:19:09):
don't know if that means an opportunity for Fears their
seventh pick here. The rookie point cool bro Jordan Coole
is definitely a start. He's acquired and place in McCollum.
But what do you think thirty one and a half
I being a big year for Zion. I think he'll
play over sixty games this year. They've been over five
hundred in his career when he plays. I just think
the team stinks around Zion, Like, I don't actually think
there's a lot of talent here outside of Trey Murphy

(01:19:31):
and Herb Jones. On the defensive end hasn't really been
able to take a step on the offensive end. You
look at their team last year. Murray only played thirty
one games thirty for Zion in only eighteen games for
brandon Ingram. So that's why their number twenty one wins
was so low last year. There's no incentive for this
team to lose. Having done the pick swap with Atlanta
and Milwaukee, I just don't really see this team being

(01:19:54):
competitive in the Western Conference. That's the problem is that
though they may.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Be going into a transitional period here, if Zion's able
to stay healthy, that certainly improves their outlook. But the
Western Conference has gotten a lot better in the years
since Zion was drafted to the Pelicans, So I think
good that they're committing to him. He's still young enough
that you can still build a team around him. But
this is not a good team that is built around him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
But you're going over. No, I'm not going under. I'm
under thirty wins. Okay, okay, I'm going just over thirty
one and a half. And it's very simple. If Zion,
Murph and Herb Jones play sixty games together, I'm not
asking for a full season sixty games basically three quarters.
Let's call it that. I think the Pelicans win half
of those games. If again sixty the all three of
those guys are playing, and then they got to pick

(01:20:40):
up two more wins somewhere. I think they can do that.
I'm going over. I'm going over. But I'm definitely banking
on Zion staying healthy enough to be a lead guy
and try and get them, try and get them back
even in I don't even think they're going to be
in the plan mix, but maybe for a couple months
at least be flirting around there. I'll go just over,
just over for the Pelicans. But yeah, I mean it

(01:21:02):
sucks that they don't have Jordan Poole. Is your lead guard?
Is your vet? Yeah? And then linear your vets right now? Yeah,
the old Warriors days coming in there them have a
win titles. That's true. That's all we gotta do, all right.
Final team San Antonio Spurs forty four and a half. Trey,
where are you going with Wemby here? Back in healthy.

(01:21:23):
They got Luke Cornette, Kelly Olynyk, Lindy Waters, the third
drafted Dylan Harper, Carter Bryan as well. Didn't lose a
whole lot. Chris Paul's gone, Mamu, Branham, Blake, Wesley Yep.
But Wemby's the main guy here. Forty four and a
half enough for forty five wins with him leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Only forty six games for Wemby last year, only seventeen
for Fox after he got traded, and they played what
like five games together, I think, including one here in Atlanta.
So does a full season of Fox and Wemby, or
at least playing as much as they can, equal eleven
more wins.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Maybe maybe maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
They are gonna have a top ten defense when Wemby plays,
but he can't play the entire game. I do think
Luke Cornette is probably the only guy they added that's
going to have a positive impact this season. Dylan Harper,
you never know what you're gonna get from rookies. He's
banged up right now. Carter Bryant seems to be a
bit more of a project. I personally think Wemby will
be getting MVP votes. He's at my MVP table. He

(01:22:19):
was not at task as MVP table officially. What about
uskis you think he's going to end up there?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
And how many we got out of the table again,
five or six? We got six at the end of
the season or will he ever take a seat at all.
I think he'll pull up a seat for a majority,
like a portion of the season. Okay, I don't think
he'll be there at the end of this season. Whoa
hold on? Could be the six foot Yeah yeah, I
mean if they're a forty five win team, he is,

(01:22:46):
or you know, fifteen near and fifty. But I'm going under,
so I'll say, no, I don't think they're gonna win
forty five.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Yeah, me neither.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
I think they win forty four, So I'll take the
under as well. I just don't think there is a
ton of talent outside of Fox and Mumby.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Yeah, what tasks. You saw the preseason action, you saw
that we be blocked in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Yeah, of course, should we factor in that Fox isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Playing right now amstring injury.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
It's got a hamstring injury. So you say that, well,
that's worrisome, right. Although Darren Fox said they're just playing
it safe, they're being the San Antonio Spurs. They play
everything safe. I was he literally said, I was on
a treadmill running fifteen miles an hour. I'm fine, that's
super fast. Wow, that's a four minute mile. Tal now,
I don't know how long he was running four I

(01:23:32):
don't know if he was running for four minutes, but
the fact the injury news came out and that's how
he responded, saying, I am fricking healthy. The Spurs are
just keeping it safe. So we don't know about him.
But Dylan Harper also probably gonna miss the beginning of
the year, and so it's going to fall a lot
on Stefan Castle, Devin Vessel, Jeremy Sohan, who's playpoint guard

(01:23:55):
before that didn't go well, so it's going to be
a lot on their support guys. I'm going under, not
just because of the injuries, but because the West is
freaking tough because they haven't played together period. You mentioned
all the guys that have come in. They're young, as
simple as that, other than their old center backups with

(01:24:19):
Kelly Olinik and Luke Cornett out there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Not sure question spot though, but under.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Ultimately yeah, they should be competing for a play spot.
But it wouldn't be surprising to see as Trey has
Victor wen Binyama at an MVP table, what year will
it happen?

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Right? I mean, if he plays enough games, he's winning
defensive player of the year. That's a lock. Just has
to hit the mark and then yeah, how many games?
I think all we're getting at is how many games
do the Spurs have to win for him to be
getting MVP votes. I don't know, probably like around forty seven,
forty eight, I guess, maybe like them flirting with an
actual just like postseason position in avoiding the plane entirely,

(01:24:59):
I guess I would put it around there. But even
then you can win that many games still being a plan.
But I'm going under with you, guys, I'm going just
under it. I'm excited. Everybody's excited. He had the crazy offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Trained with Matt Bonner that wanted to include and the
people you've tray very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Mat, Yeah, who is the list? Kevin, Kevin Garnett? Yeah,
obviously is that the Temple Shall Monks. He definitely shout,
oh yeah, and Kevin Garnett and then Matt. Yeah, that's awesome.
He's already got some fire quotes in the preseason too.

(01:25:38):
He's talking talking his ship already, he's got confidence. That'll
be awesome. Look, I'll be happy as just an NBA
fan if he like levels up here in year three
immediately and he's like leading his team to fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
The year that's the year that people explode in the NBA.
Derek Rows one MVP his third year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Right now, he did lose half a year last year.
Does that help him even helps him getting rest? Who knows.
We'll see. Let's get our picks, our locks, I should
say our Western Conference three locks each task. Get us
started here. Well, you're putting your money on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I'm a super optimistic person. I'm taking three overs here.
I'm starting with Denver. I do believe just in their squad,
fifty five wins is gettable for this roster, taking them
New Orleans thirty one and a half. It's all belief
in zion woms playing basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
I'm buying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
It was only two years ago where he played in
seventy games. So there was one bad year last year.
But to me, he figured it out through his trainer
how to get right. He said, whoa feels good to
feel good?

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
And he learned that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
And so coming into this year, even though they're lacking
a little bit in support staff, their support team, I
think they'll be fine with Trey Murphy, an old guy
eating minutes at center in Kevon Looney and those hungry
guys like Alvarado backing up. And then on my third
optimistic overpick, I'm taking the Mavericks at forty one and
a half over. I think they just have enough talent

(01:27:06):
to get them there. Kyrie's coming back at some point.
There's they're two stacked. So I was of also comfortable
taking it over at a fifty number, a thirty number
and a forty number, right, nicers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
You got the Yeah, the Tiers already got nuggets as
that sort of elite over the Mavericks as sort of
the middle over. And then the Pelicans says that's way
too low. They should be over thirty one and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Yeah, all right, I understand what people are betting under
on all those that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
That's why this is. That's betting tray or three Western
Conference over under locks.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
California love for me, three California teams, no crossover with tasks,
that's ice.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I'm taking the Clippers over forty seven and a half. Okay,
I'm taking the Kings over thirty four and a half. Yeah,
I'm taking the Warriors under forty six and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Those are my locks. Okay, Interesting? Interesting, I like what
what I like about that is you like one old
team you sort of believe in, and the Clippers I
guess to hit there over and then maybe the Warrior
is not as much with the forty six and a half,
though it's also the rest of the roster. I think
you're taking the CONCESI.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Yeah, I think the back end of the Clippers roster
is better than the back end of the Warriors roster,
and I expect both of them to have to play
their back ends a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Okay, well, back end chat for you. Watch your nut ass,
all right. I like the picks. I have one same pick,
and that's with you, Tass. I like the Pelicans over
thirty one and a half. I believe in Skinny's ion
as well, and I went through if they just play
their main guy sixty games, I think it's enough to
get there. I like the Wolves over forty nine and

(01:28:37):
a half. I'm gonna lock that one in with obviously
an identity coming into the season, I'm splitting the difference
if they were forty nine last year and fifty six
year before. I think it's somewhere in the middle. I
got them like at fifty two to fifty three, and
I'll take an under on the Champions Raginning Champions. I'm
gonna take the thunder under under sixty to two and
a half that time. Many. Hi, they're awesome. I love

(01:29:03):
watching them that. I think they'll just be closer to
the sixty win mark than a hitting sixty three plus.
So Pelican's over Wols over thunder under, thunder under. Those
are our locks. Let's hear from you out there. Either
on YouTube right now, let us know in the comments
section podcast listeners. You can let us know. On Spotify.
You know you can comment on Spotify. You've been jumping

(01:29:26):
in there. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, people commenting on the show.
It's sort of cool because you just comment on each show.
I like that part. It's like no different than the YouTube.
Like you, So let's hear your picks there. People that
listen on an Apple, I don't know, you can't do it there,
So that's fine. Tweet at us at no dunk Sinc.
I mean you can leave reviews on Apple still you
can leave reviews. Yeah, yeah, just I meant you can't

(01:29:46):
comment on each show?

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
True, yeah, true, it's better wha Spotify is more of
a chat almost almost call it a chat. It seems
like Apple, it's harder to get in there and leave
a review, so.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
I find it. I do find it a little easier
on Spotify. Yeah, yeah, that's all I gotta say.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
I like the long lasting nature of the Apple reviews. Yes,
because you're never going to go back to a show
from three weeks ago to check the comments.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
No, never, No, you've got twenty four hours for me
to check. That's right. But let's hear who you guys
think your favorites. When it comes to the Western Conference
over Underlocks, make sure you go check out Monday's Eastern
Conference over Underlocks. We did all fifteen teams obviously, went
through the mall, made our cases, and then made our
picks for our locks at the end of that. So

(01:30:33):
that is up on YouTube obviously in your podcast feed
as well, so go check that out. We're back on
Friday here from the Classic Factory two point zero with
a fun one for you guys. We're going to do
a draft first time All Stars draft potential first time
All Stars.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
We have to factor in the new format.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Yes you do, Yeah you do. I totally forgot about it. Boy. Yeah,
that's going to make things tricky. But we'll be drafted
first time All Stars. So I don't know how many
rounds you guys want to do, four or five or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
I don't think the NBA is factoring it in. We'll
get They don't know what.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
You do it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
You're right, they're just like decided we're playing world, the
world versus America. Yeah America, yeah, yeah, right right right. Anyway,
that's on Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Show.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Can't wait for that, so join us live at ten
am Eastern here on YouTube. Otherwise, podcast gets flipped very
quickly by super producer JD. All Right till Friday, Clipper Rose.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,
Love you guys, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Thanks for joining us, and remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
There are twelve hundred and thirty NBA regular season games
played every single year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
That could go into.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
The odds and all that right now, but it's too
too late now, I'm not going to do it. But
the Western Conference far more wins projected than the Eastern Conference.
They still play the same amount of games, you know
what I mean, maybe if we have an expert from

(01:32:09):
a company to come assist. Basically, they're saying that less
games are gonna be one in general, I mean according
to that list, sense right, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Well, the Western Conference is probably have a better record
against the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
But overall the Western Conference seems ad up to six
hundred and fifteen wins, about six hundred and fifteen wins,
while the Eastern Conference adds up to like five hundred
and ninety seven or something. So you add those up,
that's like twelve ten. This is gonna be like twenty
games and no one wins. I mean, yeah, yeah, that's
not how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
But anyway, the guys Friday Embrace the day. People

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