What's Next For The Mavericks?

On Wed.'s No Dunks, the guys discuss the fallout from the Dallas Mavericks firing GM Nico Harrison. Why now? What's next? And who will trade for Anthony Davis? That, plus the NBA confirming the U.S. vs. World All-Star Game format, Ja Morant's effort, the Celtics-Sixers playing another close game, Ace Bailey, T.J. Kidd, and more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Good mornings, Sweel and welcome to the Nodunks Podcast, presented
by Fan Duel. It's Wednesday, November twelfth, twenty twenty five.
I'm Jayskith here in the Classic Factory, and alongside me
as always.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Next to him, it's my top shot boll Boy, Trey Kirby,
he hey yoh, and over Yonder making the magic happen.
Super producer jd. Hello, there is and here we are.
Hello to everybody on YouTube. Hit the like button, subscribe
podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. On today's show,
we're going to explain the new all star format, Yes,

(00:39):
let's Go, and the new voting rules.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Let's Go.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Will also highlight a few of last night's NBA action.
It wasn't as great at night in the NBA as
it was the night prior that you guys broke down
in great detail with Jason Conception on yesterday.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I was thinking maybe we should just talk about
Monday night's games. Run it back my opinions on we
didn't get enough detail.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Actually, kind we had another They're entertaining Celtic Sixers game.
They always ended.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
One of the best games going right. Yeah, we'll get
into that.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
But yesterday, Dallas Mavericks owner Patrick Dumont fired general manager
Nico Harrison amid the team's disappointing start to the twenty
five twenty six season MAVs three and eight record. They
ranked twenty ninth in the NBA in scoring. This is
just foreign territory for a franchise that damn near always
finished in the top ten in offense when Luka Dune

(01:30):
was running right show, Yeah, something changed, So Nico Harrison gun.
There are two questions you guys reacted to this breaking
news on yesterday's pod. But the two questions I feel
like everybody is asking is why fire Harrison now? And
then what's next for the Dallas Mavericks. Which one of
those two cues? What do you want to sing your
teeth into? Because you know it is a little shocking. Still,

(01:53):
ten eleven games in here, you're out here, buddy, nine
months after the Luca trade.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I think the present with the present, why now fans
hate their team? Yeah, that's the main reason. Players you've
read in multiple reports from every Dallas reporter dread playing
home games. Tim McMahon had the line, these people don't
want us to win. You go online. Cooper Flagg's family
is trade tweeting about how it's unfair that a guy
that like Cooper Flagg has to deal with the fallout

(02:20):
from this. He wasn't there when Luca Donci's got traded,
if he had nothing to do with it. But still
far your Nico coming down every single time they play
throwing this. The American Airlines Centers had a sell out
streak that started in two thousand and one. It's over.
Intendance is going down. Having Nico Harrison as the GM
literally bad for their brand because of the move he
made last season trading Quentin Grimes. Also some complicating factors.

(02:44):
Luca's averaging thirty seven nine to nine for the Lakers.
Anthony Davis has played five games and their fourteenth in
the Western Conference. But I think it basically comes down
to we can't have this guy associated with our team
and expect our team, our fans to remain fans of
our team.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, there is a deep hatred. It's it's sewn into
the fabric. It is part of the fabric there. I
just start to think would a different achievement on the floor,
As you said, Anthony Davis. Isn't there Kyrie Irving got
hurt in March. What is the level that they would
have had to achieve on the floor to keep Nico
Harrison's job? Is there a level would they have been

(03:20):
able to get somewhere? Is it a championship? I don't
think so. And when I talk about that, when I
say that, I'm weighing both sides. Obviously there's going to
be hatred forever because you trade.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
It because it's one of the dumbest trades of al Oh.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, for sure, period. But how many championships does it
take to offset it? With these business people? They are
business people at the top that would say, hmm, okay,
you hate us, but are sales in terms of tickets
are up, merchandise is up? So where is that? Where
is that level? Is it one championship? I don't think so.

(03:54):
I think it's two championships. And maybe you start to
think about it. If Kyrie and Anthony Davis would have
been able to achieve that, maybe Nico Harrison has a
job because the business people say, okay, we didn't have
to pay three hundred and forty five million dollars for
Luka Doncic. We didn't even have to pay Quentin Grimes.
What a deal that was. And now we're starting to
win basketball games, we can raise the tickets as they
did for the twenty five to twenty six season. Another

(04:15):
reason why they are going down in ticket sales. It's
just a huge mistake after mistake after mistake. So I
you got to start to think it's all about the
money and would there have been a level I think
two championships may have done it.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
No, hold on, here's the fun hypothetical. If the Mavericks
are eleven to zero, but the fans are still chanting, fire, Nico, fire, Nico,
Does Nico Harrison still have his job or not?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Eleven and no?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, they're perfect that this.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Season, Yes, he would still have his job. Okay, Okay,
So you're looking way in the future. Championships I'm talking
about right now. They were if they were six and five,
five and six, Yeah, they were average.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Part of it is Kyrie getting getting injured in March
for sure. Yeah. Their run into the play in tournament
was horrendous and it ended real quick, and so the
hatred continued on into the off season. But the owners
coming in and not realizing, oh we can't do this
to our fans, care about players, who care about this franchise.

(05:14):
So yeah, they messed up there obviously to start, and
then the injury is just it's snowballed from there.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Mark Stein also reported that the final straw may have
been Harrison's push to get Anthony Davis medically cleared for
Saturday's game against the Wizards, despite him rehabilitating his calf injury.
And I guess some members of the staff apparently wanted
eighty to continue to rest. You're not ready yet. We've
already done this once before with you trying to rush
back and that. Patrick Dumont then stepped in and was like,

(05:41):
now we're keeping ad out, so maybe again final straw.
I know all the fire and Nico chants are having
an effect, and Dumont in a statement, Trey said a
part of it quote, this decision reflects our continued commitment
to building a championship caliber organization. Of course, they always
say that one that delivers for our players, our partners,
and most importantly are fans. It goes back to exactly
what you said. The fans hated them. They were never

(06:04):
going to forgive him unless maybe they were eleven to
zero and went into multiple championships. But that was unlikely
because they traded for a guy that's always injured too.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
That's the other part of the yeah, exactly. Tim McMahon
reported similar stuff on The Hoop Collective that Patrick Dumont
stepped in to give his advice on the Anthony Davis
return to play, which you know, he didn't play over
the weekend, didn't play last night as well. He's got
a calf injury, which is pretty hilarious considering it was
Luca's calf injury that was part of the reason that
Nico didn't think he was going to be a reliable guy.

(06:33):
But in that statement from Patrick Dumont, I didn't hear
him really taking any accountability. Who signs off on the trade,
the big dog, Patrick Dumont. So, yeah, he sat down
with Nicholas Dickison and apologized to that guy. Didn't apologize
to the fans except for just Nick dick I don't know, uh,
will this change things for the Mavericks. I think a

(06:55):
little bit, like I think their fans tonight should probably
be pretty supportive that Nico Harrison is no longer employed
by the team. But then very soon after that, it
wouldn't be surprising if the chance turned to sell the team.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, it was an incredible Monday night. When PJ. Washington
was going to the free throw line to tie the
game with three free throws, the arena went silent. He
goes to the free throw line, hits it, the arena
goes back to being silent. And then when he missed
that second free throw, they said, oh yeah, we're back
to being normal again. Fire and Eco. It just immediately
changed like that. It is moving into the fabric of

(07:30):
that city. And Pico Harrison when he fired his athletic
staff in the summer, that was in part, I suppose
because they brought back Anthony Davis too early and he
thought Derek Lively wouldn't need surgery this offseason, and they
brought him back in April after two and a half
months off and he had to go have surgery. So

(07:52):
he just kept trying to do stuff. But it is
it does fall on the owners, and that the photo
op of him with Dickinson sideline was clearly just to show, oh, yeah,
we're going to fire a guy and you should love
us again. I mean that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
We're learning I've learned my lesson. It's like the ironic
part of all this because usually the new owner syndrome
is the owner that comes in and does way too much.
And Patrick Dumont and this new mass ownership they sort
of did the opposite. They're like, all right, well, Nico's
got it, figured it out. Do whatever you want, Nico,
you want to trade Luca?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Really?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
All right, okay, I guess so whatever you say a
big guy, I said, now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
And they also made sure that Mark Cuban wasn't anywhere
near the team that was part of the agreement that
did not become part of the agreement. Mark Cuban was
supposed to be the basketball guy, and they made sure
that that did not happen.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Do you blame Mark Cuban at all in this for
selling to a group that he purposefully said, They're not
basketball people. That's why I'm selling it to them. They're
good at real estate. It's weird. Yeah, yeah, it is
for now jeeper price. Yeah they could have gotten yeah right.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah. Their aspiration, I guess is to potentially put a
casino in with the the the arena if gambling is
approved or legalized, I should say in Texas, I guess
that's possibility. But Cuban did think he was going to
be part of the franchise. Okay, yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah he was wrong. But look the way the Lakers
did it. They sold to a multi kabillionaire who ensures
the team is going to stay where they are, They're
going to spend a ton of money and got it
in writing that, Like Genie Buss still has to say
in things right, like, there are ways to do it,
and the Lakers did it the right way. The Mavericks

(09:44):
didn't do it the right way. So I think Cuban
is like he's pretty low on the list of responsibility here,
but he's probably number three.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
When he does interviews as to how the actual deal happened,
he talks about having it in the deal himself, that
it was in there, but it was somehow out removed.
And it's either the NBA to blame and they claim
that it wasn't them, and then it's either the Deumasa
blame that really literally just removed his name from that operation.

(10:14):
But then, yeah, is it a monstrous burden is on
Nico Harrison saying, hey, Luca, you're god man. Whether or
not he likes Luca's workout plan, or what he doesn't
like that he worked doesn't work out every day in
the past because now he works out every day, or
just want or just wanting to make his mark, just

(10:36):
wanting to make his stamp. I'm being so smart in
trading the guy that took the torch from Dirk Nowitzki
and this franchise. Yeah, I don't know. It's crazy how
we may come pie, but they all are to blame.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
They completely underestimated to how fiercely loyal the fan base
is with the Dallas Mavericks. They they did, They took
it for granted. We saw the consequences play out. I
saw something that d Magazine wrote yesterday really struck with me,
stuck with me quote. On the rare times Harrison did
show his face. He front ran scorn fans. They'll be
back when we win. That was sort of his mom

(11:10):
the blind luck of winning the Cooper flag pick. People
are finally starting to see the vision great quote championships
they'll be won by defense. He kept doubling and tripling
and quadrupling down on I'm the smartest guy in the room.
You'll see we'll win multiple, multiple championships by getting off
a Luca and getting back Ad and who else, Max

(11:31):
Christy in a pick. I mean, that's it. The other
part of those whole thing. We talked about it at
the time of the trade, so we don't need to
go over it again. But it was like you did
it in secret because you knew the backlash that was
going to happen, so you didn't even you decided Luca's
got a bad work ethic. We don't want to pay
him crazy amount of money, will never win with them, Okay, sure,

(11:51):
well then open it up because there'll be twenty nine
other franchise trying to like fall over backwards to give
you a huge trade package. And they didn't do that.
They had to do it like in secrecy with his
buddy Rob Polinka on the Lakers to make it happen. Well,
you're you're you know, you're rolling your eyes at me.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Well I'm not rolling my eyes. But they are two parts.
The money part is all the Dumonts. It's not Nico Harrison.
Nico Harrison just want to make his stamp. That's my thing.
And then he goes to the front office or to
the ownership and says, we don't have to pay this
guy three hundred and forty five million dollars. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, that's well, if you say so, Nico, you're you're
the one in charge, You're the basketball operations.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, he just wanted to make his stamp and so yes,
I mean they're two separate things.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Again, make your again, make your stamp.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Okay, we're not gonna be able to do this with Luco,
but open it up then to every other team to
get back a better trade package.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Oh yeah, that's wild. It's wild. We're gonna start talking
about Anthony Davis deals. Literally, the package that the Lakers
were able to get excuse me that that that Anthony
Davis will get now is greater than the package that
the Lakers had to give up for Lucas. It's it's
it's not ye. Yeah, maybe multiple picks. I mean, it's

(13:02):
going to be super close. It's nuts. Yeah, when you
think about the Anthony Davis packages.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
So okay, let's get to the second question, then, which
is where did the Mavericks go from here? Trey, you
had a short up yesterday on the idea of I
guess sort of blow it up or at least move
off of Anthony Davis. His task just brought up here
is that the next logical move to.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
You, there are three phases that I really see that
need to happen. The front office has to find a
good GM. It's like tear down and rebuild time right now.
Maybe that's matt Riccardi. Apparently Mark Cuban is pushing for
Dennis Lindsay to be the GM. He built the Jazz
teams that won a lot of regular season games, came
up short in the playoffs, but built a good team.

(13:47):
Kind of interesting. I think the Cuban is having a
little bit of a say here. Maybe Patrick Dumont should
have listened to him earlier when he thought he was
still involved with stuff. But that's very important. They got
to a good GM. Bob Myers is a guy that
was talked about as well, but he's working for the
group that owns the Sixers and the Washington Commanders. But

(14:08):
the first personnel move they need to make is trading
Anthony Davis. It won't be for another month. Basically, trade
season kind of starts December fifteenth, once all the players
who signed deals over the summer become available. He's got
a gigantic contract fifty four million dollars, so you're going
to get some sort of players back. But they need
to be looking for picks because they traded away control

(14:28):
over their twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, and thirty
first round picks, and this team absolutely needs young talent
around Cooper Flag, around Derek Lively. The nice thing is
they do have their twenty twenty six pick, So if
you trade Anthony Davis and bought them out, guess what
you might get the number one pick. Again, I hope
that doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh oh my god.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
You see the vision. And it would be helpful to
have a ball handler alongside Cooper Flag or who knows
a wing like dabansa another do it all kind of
type like Boozer, but I mean Aaron Peterson wouldn't be nice. Nonetheless,
they need to draft high in this draft and start
rebuilding around Cooper Flag because it just doesn't make sense
to have your two biggest profile players be a thirty

(15:12):
three year old and a nineteen year old. Why it
doesn't work. We just saw that with the Warriors. It
doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, especially when your other great player to make this
a good team isn't playing basically all season in Kyrie
Irving and they're just lacking guards right now. There's just
bad out there.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
So you think Anthony Davis will be moved around the
trade deadline or like when December fifteenth hits and it's
like a known thing that I'm sure teams are putting
together whatever deals that they want to maybe try and
get this guy.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Probably, Yeah, who's operating the basketball operations now? Is it
just promoting a guy from within? Is it Michael Finley
taken over? Simple as that? Is he willing to pull
it off? I think the hiring, which seems seems to
be like not happening anytime soon. We're not the pursuit

(16:08):
of it doesn't even seem to be happening, is the question. Yet,
they have to hire somebody to run that front office.
I don't know. I don't know comprehendid.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Search will begin for a permanent replacement according to the statement,
But right now, you're right, Finley and Riccardi are there.
They're the interim gms. So they'll have I guess decision
making here with ad who's going to trade for a
d and what will be a return. That's the fascinating
part because the guy's just getting up there in age.
He's entered once again. Still when he plays, he's a

(16:37):
top I don't know, twenty talent probably when you consider
his defense that he brings to the team. Are there
any squads that you could see talking themselves into Brian
Lowe really on Anthony Davis to try and get him in.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Oh, there's definitely a lot of teams.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Zach low went through a ton of trades on his podcast,
The Clippers involved. Come on home, Baby, come to Chicago
if the price is right, But the Mavericks would be
getting back literally like Vouchen, Kobe White, and Patrick Williams. Yeah,
that's a bad contract to beginning, but the price is
going to be low for Anthony Davis. He's banged up,
he's going to be thirty three years old, he's got

(17:12):
a big contract, So you do have to trade a
bunch of players, which means maybe you're not throwing picks
in there. I think the Mavericks should be looking for picks,
but with his contract number being what it is, you're
probably getting a bad contract back. Like I heard, Zach
was pitching the Raptors, sending a manual quickly like a
ball handler would help, but you don't really want Quickly's
contract on your books. Same with a Wiggins type something

(17:35):
like that. I know the Heat could be involved as well,
but there will be teams that are interesting or interested.
Especially we give the season another month, maybe somebody hits
a rough patch in the schedule, kind of drop down
in the standing. So like, all right, we need a
joelt here. Get Anthony Davis. He's an All NBA player.
I still am an Anthony Davis believer, but he's just
not reliable to be on the court for more than

(17:55):
sixty games a season.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, he's got to come back in ball. Before the
Mats are saying anything is worthy of a trade package
coming back. I think he has to boost that trade
pack trade value and he has to come back and
play basketball and play it well. And it's a good sign.
I suppose that he may be coming back sooner than later,
because he is a capable basketball player when he actually plays.

(18:18):
But he should They should want to get multiple picks
to get young. There is the Sacramento Kings package that's
out there reported by SI as a possibility, which would
include a couple first round picks. The twenty six Kings
pick they have the Spurs pick, which is protected as
a first round pick. They've got the Timberwolves unprotected pick

(18:39):
in twenty thirty, way back, way in the future. If
they get multiple picks, I think that's what you're you're
looking at to go along with players that have to
come back because they have Anthony Davis's salary, Those picks
plus Damar Malik Monk would work. Okay, might be the juiciest.
They do want to.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
They need picks more than they need play.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Right, absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
So Kevin O'Connor, he had two this morning that he shared.
I'll just throw him at everybody. Fake trade ideas for AD.
The Hawks making a move for Anthony Davis, Kristaps Porzingis
coming back to the Tellis Mavericks, Newell Luke Canard, and
then future draft picks any chance to Lanta. Hawks are
making a move for someone like AD.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
As long as they don't trade the Pelicans pick from
next year, I can see it happening. Zingis is he's
up for a contract extension, right, Yeah, he is expiring
guys I think should be in this trade. Right It's
good for both sides to turn an expiring contract into
a player like Anthony Davis from the Hawks side, and
then if you're the Mavericks, yeah we get Porzingis for
the end of this year. See how he fits alongside Cooper.

(19:44):
They don't really need another center, they got a billion
centers right now. But if he plays well, if it
looks good the space that he provides, if that helps
out Cooper, flag sure sign him to a deal. But
otherwise you could just do a rental for a season,
be bad, and then draft his replacement.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I don't see the Hawks doing it. I see them
in a position right now where they're not re signing
Trey Young quite yet. I think they're looking at the
CBA and saying, let's just stay younger, stay a little
bit more agile, and that's what they have right now.
So I don't. Yeah, would they like to get off
Christofspersons at some point, Yeah, that makes sense. But for
Anthony Davis, I don't know. I think it's a little

(20:18):
too too much of a lateral move.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And then another Eastern Conference team is dominating right now. Again,
this is Koc's fake trade idea. The Pistons looking maybe
at the Eastern Conference landscape, going whoa, maybe there's a
maybe there's an actual opening here. Could we get Anthony Davis,
What whatd it take? Let's say Tobias Harris, Harris, Lavert
Jade and Ivy obviously somebody not playing for the joy
Pistons right now, but maybe a really young, talented guard
and then future draft capital as well. Thoughts on Detroit

(20:42):
seeing a possibility here.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
That's not a lot to give up. If I'm being
quite honest. Maybe Ivy turns into something, but he hasn't
been on the court hardly at all in his NBA career.
I still wouldn't do it, though. If I'm Detroit, let
it mellow. Let's see what you got to go and
you're playing really well right now. You've got a great
big guy in Durham. There are probably the other players
who become available who are named Lowry Markinen that would
fit this team better. They need outside shooting more than

(21:07):
they need another guy who's going to play in the
line clog things up for Kaid.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I would be reluctant. I do see that type
of team that has multiple parts definitely becoming a little
appealing to the Dallas Mavericks along with the Picks. Sure,
but I would wait. Dannis Jenkins is balling for the
Detroit Pistons. It just feels like they've got such good
chemistry right now, just keep it rolling, and yeah, they

(21:32):
need a big who can shoot. And so whether it's
lowry marketing, whether the Jazz are willing to trade a
future All star, future All Star like twenty twenty six
All Star and Lowry markin he's balling, that's a different scenario.
But the Pistons are they got to stay with what

(21:53):
they got.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well, well, I think you're right about this idea of eight.
He's got to get back here and how does he
look and play? And then maybe those trade packages get
a little juice here. Eighty assigned for next season, for
this season and next season before his twenty seven player
option and then his extension eligible next summer.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
This was supposed to you got am right away if
you trade for him. Basically, yeah, yeah, he needs to
be back. This was supposed to be the year he
had healthy eyeballs, that he started wearing the goggles, and
he was supposed to be healthy immediately. I know it's
I'm one of the people who say, well, he does
play in a good bunch of games, but now he
is honestly getting to be thirty three soon and he's

(22:33):
missing just games after games after games unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
So Nico Harrison gone, they can now, I guess MAVs
fans can start the process of building the relationship back
with the organization one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
That was my third phase of people who need to
do something different. The MAVs fans now need to support
their team, like this is our Pickham game tonight. We'll
get into it a little bit. They flexed their power.
They got Nico Harrison out of there. Yeah, now you
have to support the guys that are there, because, like
I said, it's not their fault. Luca Donjas was traded
for Anthony Davis. They got a Hall of Famer back,

(23:06):
and it's like, oh, we hate this guy. Can you
blame him? No, But now that Nico's gone, at least
you can say, look, you guys aren't the problem. We
got your back, Patrick Dumont. We'll see if we did
not have Nico's back. So let's make it a fun
place for the Mavericks to play, rather than them hating

(23:27):
to come back from road trips.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's pretty depressed.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
They're like, oh god, oh, we got to play another
game in front of our fans. It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
The MAVs were considering home court a disadvantage, is what
McMahon said. Yeah, that's how bad it's gone.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah. PJ. Washington was saying it as a member of
the Maps immediately, how much it was hurting them. That
was weeks after and they didn't address it. Then they
raised the prices of tickets going into twenty five twenty six.
They didn't think about all of the aspects own death.
And it took him nine It took him nine months
to do a photo op at courtside with a fan.

(24:05):
It took them a long time. And here they are
and it ain't going because it's been nine months. It's
not going to be one trade and all is healed.
It's going to take a while. Yeah, And that's why
I thought of Yeah, maybe they start eleven and zero.
They keep Nico Harrison's job for a while, but he
would be gone by the end of the year unless
they go out. Is it the finals that they'd have

(24:27):
to get to. They would have to go super far
to keep Nico Harrison's job past this coming season. Because
everyone hates them, because again they raise the prices, and
because they were just about the money to not pay
Luca and to not pay others.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
You can say all the other reasons, it's because they
traded their guy. This was a franchise that had Dirks
back forever, and they went through the trials and tribulations,
brutal losses, first round up sets, you know, winning MVP
and getting about all these things that happened with the franchise.
But that was their guy, and he stuck through it
and they tried to build their on them, and man,
then they win the title and everybody's like, that may

(25:03):
be the best championship win ever of all of them
because of who we went through and how long it
took and all that, and they thought, I think mass
fans were like, all right, we're doing it again with Luca.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
And they got to the finals. This is the other
part of this.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
It's just crazy. They were there, Okay, they got beat
by the Celtics, but then to suddenly turn around like,
we'll never do it with this guy who's just an
all NBA guy that just took you to the final.
It's just mind blowing. And I think Nico just looked
at this like it is fantasy basketball and didn't take
into the equation actual emotions from their fan base. It
was like, ah, we'll just move off him. We'll get

(25:35):
so we'll get a good player in ad you'll see
I'll be laughing last but like you're taking out the
human element of it, and it was pretty amazing that
they like voice their concerns and it did work in
addition to them struggling.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah right, yeah, they got all the way to the
championship round.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
That's what Patrick Dumont called me. Yeah, that's a bad sign.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, I'm thrown in there. They lost Dirk, Like, Dirk's
not a Maps fan anymore. Yeah, one team, he was traded.
He was showing up at Lakers games, he's doing TV. Now.
This guy was a MAVs icon and now he's like
everybody's like.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, yeah, they got to work to get people like
Dirk and obviously their fan base just back on board.
But you're right, you'll be interesting to see how they
react tonight that game. The fans.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I think it'll be a raucous atmosphere sort.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Of do too, should be sort of too.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's why I thought.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, they had like a I saw like a news clip,
you know all the people who were there protesting after
the after the Luca trade were back. The guys with
the coffin, they were back, and they're all playing Cell.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Come out.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
So they're gonna be happy tonight.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I'm picking them in the pick up.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
You're getting your first win tonight. You are gonna wow.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I think so. They should take care of business against Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Anything else here on Nico Harrison's firing and the MAVs
moving forward trade ideas.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Cooper Flagg looked great in their last game. Yeah, he
really did.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's overlooked.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, had his best game yet.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh awesome. Yeah, Jason Kidd was playing a point guard again,
their best capable point guard. It was helping out Cooper
flag that take to the bucket with Yanni's going up
as high as he possibly could, Cooper just absorbing it
in a late game situation and scoring. It was awesome. Yeah,
and that the earlier play, as I mentioned on yesterday's show,
with a couple of minutes left to get Cooper at

(27:24):
an advantage, a size advantage, running plays for him with
a point guard. I don't know. I don't know what
Jason Kidd was was doing, and I know TJ Kidd
is all upset about it too, hilarious stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, sure, throw that in the mix. Why did Nico
Harrison not get a real guard for this team?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, and why Jason Kidd wasn't starting even just to
see how bad Dangel Russell was at the beginning of
this serious season.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I mean, he knew how bad he was.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I guess, I guess should have had a player coach.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Again, Jason Kid should have played man.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
But Monday was an awesome game for them. It was fun.
They were leading in the fourth quarter with because Brandon
Williams was starting a point playing guards. That was good.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah. Look, a Luca trade could have very easily set
the Maps back like a decade. But then they hit
the lottery and they have Cooper Flag. That's that's a
glimmer of hope right for their future. So like this
could be somehow way worse, but they got Cooper. It
could be worse. Yeah, it could.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's but like all said it themselves back a decade, Like,
I mean, you have to imagine they get back to
the finals a lot quicker with Luca than Yeah. Yeah,
it's probably going to be a decade until I get
back with Cooper Flag.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
And uh oh Wenby's in their conference.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Uh oh that sucks.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Oh no, oh, Lucas in their conference as well. With
a deep pocketed Lakers ownership group, who is going to
spend every single dollar they could? Yeah, who makes it
back to the finals? First to the maps. The Lucas absolutely,
they sat their franchise back a decade easily already.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah. The scary part is this ownership has a ton
of money too. In Dallas. They've got a ton of money.
There's a lot of money there. They just didn't want
to spend it.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
In part A billionaire that's actually a chief skate Ives has.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Heard it all.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I love the Lakers. I would have loved to
see a healthy MAVs team against that Lakers team last
year in the playoffs. That would have been fun to
see Kyrie and Anthony Davis versus Luca Lebron. That would
have been a good series. I think I'm taking the maps.
I think I was taking the Maps in that series
if they're fully healthy.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
You're a Nico Harrison supporter, Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'm a magic man.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Free Nike shoes or something.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Giving away, anything that.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Gives away players.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh all right, let's take a break when we come back,
we'll talk about the All Star game format and a
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Versus the World is finally a done deal, yes, and
will be the format for this season's NBA All Star Game.
Though it's not really a game, is it. It's really
a round robin tournament of games. It's going to be

(31:46):
played Sunday, February fifteenth, starting at five pm Eastern. That's right, Okay,
coming a little earlier this year. It's going to air
on NBC at just about the midway point of the
Winter Olympics, which is sort of why we're doing all
of this, but we already knew that part. I guess
the big news last night was we got a little

(32:07):
more clarification on how the teams are going to be picked.
So it's basically the same as it's been in recent years,
with one notable tweak. NBA is eliminating the front court
and backcourt position designations for players, So each ballot from
fans will include five players from the Eastern Conference five
players from the Western Conference, So we're still doing that,
but positions will not matter, nor will nationalities at that point. Okay,

(32:31):
and then the fourteen reserves, seven from each conference, are
going to be selected by the head coaches. And then
it's like, we got to make the teams because there's
no guarantee that we're gonna have exactly sixteen American players
and exactly eight international players that are going to just
emerge from this voting. And what happens if that's the case,

(32:53):
like it's outweighed one way or the other. Adam Silver
is just going to add players. That's always going to.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Do there's gonna be so many All Stars. Yeahs be
like thirty All Stars this year.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean when you factor an injury yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well I mean why just because they need to force
them in to get sixteen and eight.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, So, like if it ended up being eighteen American
players and six international players. They're adding to international players.
That strikes you up to twenty six.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
But they do that every year anyway because guys are injured.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
But then they're gonna do top of that of injury
for replacements.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Oh, I think the injury replacements are going to be
those players.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
They're gonna have to have twenty four, they're gonna have
to have sixteen and eight minimum to announce it, and
then we've got the month afterwards where they're figuring out
who's actually gonna be able to play. I think that
this is the fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I can't believe how difficult they're making this. It's so
dumb task. And I know you're going to defend it
and convince me.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
What am I going to defend?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I want to see a basketball game, that's all I
want to see.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I think this isn't a basketball game.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well, that's not what we haven't talked about that yet.
We haven't even talked about the game. We haven't talked
about this, the twelve minute quarters.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Just like they did last year and it was so stupid.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well they're going to change. Listen what they started with
last year in that first game quarter whatever you want
to call it, that was fine. That was a fine game.
Victor twelve minute game. Game. It's a twelve minute game.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
You think games are forty eight minutes, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
It wasn't a game. It wasn't a game last year
when they designed that, that was supposed to be forty
eight minutes of games. The All Stars are supposed to
come to the arena, they're supposed to sit down, they're
supposed to take off their jacket. We're suppos to get introduce.
They're supposed to run on the floor. They run on
the floor until the forty point total that they had.
They're supposed to sit down, get loose for three minutes
because there's a commercial, and then get back on the floor.

(34:48):
That's not what happened, I.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Know, And it started to little movie games.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I want. But now who cares about this international world thing?
Now that we have to select these players All Stars
are going to get selected. Twenty four All Stars are
going to get selected. Nobody cares about how they're selected.
All they care about is going on Sunday at five
pm Eastern, turning on their NBC TV, and they're getting
all these casual fans for the Olympics, and they want
to see a good game. That's all they want to
that's all they care about.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Game.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, like games.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well that's the we're mini games. Games.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
So if you're just going to end up picking the
goddamn All Stars it sounds anyway silver, then why aren't
we just doing USA versus the World?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
It's pretty simple.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Just do it, Just do it free.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, exactly, Adams pick so silly man, just pick your
top twenty four players names because they think when when
the US teammate plays the world, there's only one, so
they don't get a teammate that it'll be a fun
one quarter of play.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
And I imagine it would be again the first quarter
last year with Victori Omanium blocking shots and running back
on to the three point line. It wasn't any worse
of a first quarter than the history of All Star
Game basketball. It was fine, but it got worse.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
As it all went on and part of that was
the production.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think basketball player should be able to play basketball
and not sit and determine. The Mister Beast giveaway was
fun or the Kevin Hart uh Jo jokes and and
we're saying by the TNT even though they're coming back
on year, that was a lot. That was a lot
to consume for anybody out there. And so when they
tune in on NBC as they're trying to get these

(36:27):
casual fans that I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
A snowboarding Yeah yeah, yeah. The us US say hockey
game is the leadest. Yes, that's true.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
We know what the lead is.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, hockey.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I mean you're going to get people sucked in. We
thought that there would be some sort of hockey copy
of what happened at the Al Star Game with the
four nations, like four countries actually playing, but that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Cut off, we can't.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Not in one night. It would have got Friday.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Powell Nowadian all start to well, you could have got
When it comes to the international players, it's no problems.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I think there. It's going to be not too bad.
There's not gonna be too many extras. Just picked a
lot of them. Come from the Western Conference. As far
as the international goes, Jokic, Luca, Wemby, and Sga from
the West. Yannis is probably going to be there as
a starter. Those are the five starters, I'd say, Yoka,
Lukach Wembsga yanis. Then comes Sheng Goon.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, that's six right there.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
That's six international locks basically.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, and then it's how how cute are we getting
with the the end guys, and and listen when the
fans pick up their ballots, and when the also the
media and players have to select.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Oh god, I just forgot about that. The electoral college.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, all star selections. They're they're not looking at well,
this guy is from Montenegro Vouch, Yeah, I'm taking him
over the American player. That ain't happening. They're just picking guys,
and so they don't see it. The coaches who pick
the reserves like they always do, are not going to
see the countries. They're just going to pick twelve from
each side, and it's going to get close the next

(38:02):
The next guys will probably be some little trio of
ur duo. I guess it's only we're at six. Murray,
Jamal Murray, who is Balling, Danny Avidia, Larry Markinen, Josh
Katy and then are we going to the Dominican for
Karl Anthony Towns.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Going to be hilarious, Yeah, because he's probably going to
be named an All Star.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
But because those guys are all West. I think the
weird part you may see US players that are a
little deeper on the ballot than you'd think from the
Eastern Conference, like Michael Bridges maybe somebody like that, right, maybe,
so that that would be the odd part. The International
is no problem. These other two USA teams.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Well, and here's the part we don't know, and they
don't even know yet. What about the US players? How
are they split up? That's a fair question. They said,
they haven't decided yet. Figure a draft. Why not get
every format in here? We got conferences, we got us
in the world, we got a school yard draft.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
We can do it all.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, they haven't decided. Because it's November eleventh that this
was announced on TV. And when Adam Silver had his
press conference at the Governor's Meeting, as he always does,
he said that this was going to be announced the
beginning of the season. It's going to be this thing
on NBC. You can you know, kind of collaborate that
combine it with all the Olympics talk. It was supposed

(39:23):
happened way earlier, but I guess it got pushed back.
You got the Clipper situation going on, some other big
thing going on with gambling, which happened a little later
in the beginning of the year. So there's no excuse
that they should have had this planned as part of
the schedule, programming, schedule. But I guess they had to
squeeze in Michael Jordan to who didn't do anything last night?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Right, I don't think so. No no insights into excellent,
no insights.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Taking a break load management? What up?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Well, he's retired. He's like being a greeter at Walmart.
He doesn't work every day. You said, there's this whole
gambling scandal going on.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Realized, oh, this is why we're doing it, so we
can bet on four games instead of one.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Damn that.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
But we don't know how the coaches are gonna be selected,
because I guess we need three in stead of two.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Do we need an international coach?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Wow, yes we do.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And we don't know how the player pool of award
money I guess will be distributed either. But they're still
figuring it out. They don't know is the problem.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Thiago Splitter is my international coach.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Oh yeah, a chance, a chance, Jesus, oh my god.
At least it's on earlier.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I mean the most painful part is that all the
people who talk about it in the media for these
for these months prior, right because for fans, when they
look at the teams and even when they select, they're
just gonna pick twenty four players. Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, like that so silly, because then Silver is just
gonna be like, oh, we need two more Americans.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
All right.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Mchil bridges, you're in. I mean that just takes it.
That really diminishes like the All Star selection to me
a little bit. I'm sorry, we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
But like the names I just said, the international team
obviously pretty freaking great. There's going to be sixteen American players.
It just depends on how they're all selected, so how
it all breaks down from East to West. I don't
I don't think it'll be that bad. I think there
will be a couple of injury replacements that are literally,
do you like, we need this guy from the state
of California, I mean from America. Like, you know, anyway, do.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
You like the positionless aspect to this?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
That's interesting because you.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Know, I guess it's getting overlooked a little bit. It's like,
who cares Today's Wenby's a point guard.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
The best guy's already voted in. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Wenby's going to make it. Yoki is going to make it.
They're not making it because they were centers.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. That was the only question for
Vince and Carmelo yesterday because it went pretty freaking fast.
That was the only question. And Vince didn't like it.
He just wants it, I guess tradition. And but but
Jokic is making the freaking team. I mean, Wemby's making
the freaking team. So what is it? What does it

(42:09):
really matter? I don't think it matters in this situation.
Maybe if it's ten years ago and DeAndre Jordan and
Rudy Gobert are the only centers, then maybe, but not anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Okay, Well, let's hear your opinion on the USA versus
World format here, at least what we know now, things
still to be determined.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
They better let my guy, a lethal shooter do something. Okay,
fair I like him better than mister Beast. I like
him better than Tristan Jass. I just saw him shooting
hoops through a windmill, gigantic like a like a. Well
it might be old, isn't it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, I had seen that one.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I think, Yeah, who knows men? Yeah, yeah, I'll shoot
through anything. Yeah. Well I'll see him do it live.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah. Put him on the team silver. He's American, international, American.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
He was playing, he was shooting with somebody famous. Recently.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
He was just in the Clippers gym doing something, then
knocking him down.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
It's got a nice jumper, absolutely all right. Well, I'm
sure we'll have more to say about this, and I'll
get angry again, but we'll get to actually filling out
our ballots. That's at some point later. It's a little
too early even for us.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Okay, this was Franz's year. Man, Oh, it ain't gonna
happen now. He could have easily if he was balling,
he could beat out and maybe you know, Giddy definitely.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Feels Jamal Murray's chances feel strong right now. Nuggets playing well,
he's having his best start. Gonna need a gonna need
another Canadian in there another international guard. Oh god, this
is so funny. Okay, let's talk briefly about last night's games.
Is there one game worth mentioning from last night that
you wanted to address?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well, the Toronto Raptors are six and five, baby, better
than the Boston Celtics five and seven. I just like,
you know, get in on the standings there. I think
this thing to look at to watch. Basketball wise, the
jam Morant painful situation in Memphis remains alive. I mean,
he has not performed since that game with the Lakers

(44:14):
where he clearly wasn't trying the second half five games,
shooting twenty eight percent last night, sixteen percent the game before,
thirty five, thirty one, and thirty one those five games.
As Trey pointed out while we were doing our substack chat,
the turnovers are horrendous. But the whole season now is
looking very much like the Jimmy Butler scenario for the

(44:35):
first few months last year. He is shooting thirty five
percent from the floor, you know, forty seven percent floor,
not from three from the floor, forty seven percent as
an advanced shooting percentage. That's that's that's bad. It's like
watching him play you could see how he wasn't going

(44:55):
at every single potential lane or space or trying to
get around as much as he used to. So it's
it is it? The question is this a Jimmy Butler
scenario where Miami says, Okay, we gotta we gotta cut
the cord here. I think it's too soon to say
that playing because I don't know what the package five

(45:17):
or six games it's the package coming back, and he's
not a decade He's a decade younger than Jimmy Butler.
I mean he's it's a big difference, I think, to say, hey,
we're done and we're not getting much back. It all
depends what's coming back. Does he have to play better?
Are they just going to withstand it? Because there is
that possibility If it's just bad packages coming back to
Memphis he is playing, maybe just hold on till the

(45:37):
end of the season. I think that is a possibility.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, I feel like something's going to change. They're on
a big road trip right now playing some Eastern Conference teams,
and if it goes poorly, you could see them moving
on from the coaching staff, because that's easier to do
before we get to trade season. But joh just didn't
look good. I think part of it was New York
had a pretty good defensive plan. They were blitzing him
quite a bit. He got a bunch of the off

(46:00):
similar plays that he did have turnovers on. But it
comes down to the fact that he's playing like he's
a jump shooter. When he comes around a screen, he's
looking to shoot a mid ranger or a three pointer,
and he's just not a shooter. John Moran gets downhill
and gets in the lane, and that's not happening right now.
Some of the turnovers were absolutely brutal. Some of them
are just the other guy dropping the pass. Ye maybe

(46:21):
he's throwing a little bit too much mustard on it,
but he doesn't seem to be completely locked in here.
They're down by like what twenty five points at the
end of the third quarter, he's just jolly smiles and clapping.
Felt very sarcastic.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Jice, Yeah yeah. And the Nicks, by the way, I mean,
they continue their sizzling start here, their offensive start under
Mike Brown. I think they're seven to zero now at
home perfect there. This the final score, one thirty three,
one twenty That looks sort of way closer than the
game actually was. It was a blowout, and yeah, Grizzly
sort of did a fake ass comeback. But Nicks are
on fire right now. They're feeling they're rolling, Yeah for sure.

(46:55):
But uh, the John Moran, if you're actually watching the
games and watching his possession, Yeah, his body language is
a brutal right now.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
So, yeah, doesn't want to get in the lane, doesn't
want to finish at the rim.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
His defense is not existing. I mean, yeah, there's those two. Yeah,
it's like all these times where he could be trying,
doubling down whatever, he's just sort of just standing watching
you guys figure it out. Yeah, what about you, TK, Well,
you mentioned it.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
The most exciting game last night was Celtics seventy six Ers.
They've already played three times this season and every game
has been a one possession game. I did love Tyrese
Maxi in the postgame interview said it feels like we've
played them one hundred times since I came into the NBA.
The Celtics and the Sixers play all the time. But
it was the Justin Edwards show. He had twenty two points,
five threes, had thirteen in the fourth quarter. I love

(47:43):
Maxi getting him that second three after Edwards had just
hit one. Maxi drives in the lane, chucks it out
to him, Edwards switches it, crowd pops bj Edgecump had
a crazy shot Kawhi Leonards style bounce up in the
air that was cool, and then Kelly you Bray won
it with a tip in after Justin Edwards finally missed
a shot, took the game winner, but nobody on the

(48:06):
glass for the Celtics. Nice tip for Ubre. The most
interesting game to me, though, Thunder stomp the Warriors, led
by thirty six, never close after halftime, and the Warriors
right now feel like they are teetering on the edge.
They're six and six, haven't beaten a good team since
the opening week of the season. They have six straight
road losses. Throwing the fact that they lost to the

(48:27):
Nuggets by twenty five on Friday. Nuggets and Thunder these
are the top two teams in the NBA, not just
the Western Conference. That shows you how much farther down
in the pecking order the Warriors are. Also didn't like
what I saw from Draymond Green Jimmy Butler in their
postgame press conferences. Draymond is saying we're not committed to winning.
Everybody has personal agendas, and if you don't get rid

(48:49):
of your personal agenda, maybe people get rid of you.
Jimmy is saying, you gotta be honest with yourself. So
everybody's like, who are they talking about? Kaminga is struggling
hard right now. It might even be Kminga. It might
be Brandon Pajemski. He got him coming off the bench
and he thinks he's the third best player on the
Warriors and is playing with no confidence. Kaminga's turning the

(49:12):
ball over all the time. Draymond is turning the ball
over all the time. Didn't matter. The Thunder had twenty turnovers.
They won by thirty points. Even Draymond said that. So,
I don't know. Warriors looked very old in that game
against the Thunder. The torch has been passed, but it
feels like the light is fading. If you're the Warriors,
you just see them running on down the tunnel. That
thing is barely a flicker. They got to figure something

(49:34):
out right now because the Warriors do not look good.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah. I think it was the lack of Steph effect
and just his trickle down effect over these last couple
or last week really until he came back yesterday, was
clear to me that he just needs to be out there,
and he tried out there. He was had an illness
that he came out first possession. He's doing classics Steph stuff,
just running that circle and getting a bucket on the

(49:58):
first ession. But he just looked guest and Caseon Wallace
did a great job. Case of locking down was all
over him. But he only played twenty minutes. He didn't
look right, so we can see if he if he
starts to get it going. But he's gonna play it
back to back against the Spurs tonight. I mean, they
have to get get it together on the road here
for a six game trip. That was game number one.

(50:21):
Maybe Steph just being around helps out.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Could they be a team desperate enough to make a
move for Anthony Davis with the very small window left
for who do they have?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's the fifty four?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I guess it makes like basically the exact same. But
don't they do that? Yeah, I don't know who it
would take to get there, but they here's convince yourself
they'd be a team that would I mean, he would
help when healthy. It's the whole other part.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, a team that feels like they're one piece away
would make the most sense.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, are they asked the question? I just wanted to
address the Jazz beating the Pacers. Two hundred and eighty
points were scored. He probably hit the over. I didn't
see what the over underline was on FANDOL last night.
But Ace Bailly is.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Starting now for the Utah Jazz second game.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
He looks solid. I know they're playing the Pacers, but
twenty points from him, that step back three looks comfortable
for him. We know he's a bucket and he hit
like three in this game. That was like a nice
separation he created there a couple on Siakam obviously a
lengthy guy, pretty good defender. So Pace Billy, you know
he might be starting from here on out for the

(51:33):
for the rest of his career, with at least the.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Jazz highlights for good. Yeah, he looks great, but man
on a cool court.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
The Pacers piecers are that bad. They're they're that bad
that the Jazz are scoring one hundred and fifty two
on them.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Crap.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, I mean, Lowry continues to be awesome. He dropped
thirty five, but on the other side, I thinkcause this
is the year Pascal Siakam doesn't make the All Star.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Game, an international year, this could have been his brutal
All right, pick up, we've alluded to it. We know
what it is. Phoenix, Dallas. What's the line.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
The Dallas Mavericks are favored by one and a half points.
At home, all their fans will be there, probably they'll
probably be cheering. So it feels like the time for
me to break my over this.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Well, here we go.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
As I said, oh, for seven, it's amazing, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
We said that many times in the history of the show.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
No, never, I don't think. I don't think we've ever
seen it.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I had one garbage start once, but I don't even
think going seven seven, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
And if you want it, whoever's breaking down the numbers
out there that I'm not asking anybody to do this,
but I'm sure many of these losses were by half
a point.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
You lost. Some back breakers ended.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Up being the last ten seconds, think half of them
at least.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
For yeah, four the seven owls, for sure, Mavericks, for sure.
There was one brough off the top of my.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Head, Yeah, that's oh Mavericks, the Spurs, the Spurs. One
Spurs did it. It was Kelly Olinik did it when
he got that offensive reachon.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
That's why, that's why it's impossible for you to go over.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
It's like like this the improbability.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Well, Phoenix going into Dallas, all this stuff going around Dallas,
Phoenix is playing.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Absolutely that's why I'm taking them.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well, yeah, that's why you're comfortable taking You see a
win with the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I see a win with whatever. You're not picking.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Sons. Sons can lose by one, which would happen if.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Winner tonight.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, hell, hilarious stuff for game winner. But I do
think this is the best version of the mask because
Jason Kidd has decided to play a point guard who's
pretty capable beside Cooper Flags. So that's why we got
the best Cooper Flag game on Monday against the Bucks.
So that's why I feel comfortable this is the best

(54:00):
mass we've seen. I don't know if Nico convinced kid,
hey man, don't play your point guards. It's a Cooper time.
I don't know what happened, but Jay Kidd is locked in.
He's listening to everybody. He's listened to his son TJ Kid.
They got to play what.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Was this TJ Kid thing? I didn't even watch it.
I couldn't bring myself.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
To watch it started. I don't want, I don't I
don't like to watch something where there's a blurred out
background like he was doing some sort of zoom thing.
He had, like, you know, so don't see my.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Background, was saying that. Well. He he had a four
minute video of him basically promoting it's a teaser for
his new podcast. There it's videos online videos. He's going
to be talking to a camera or something. So it's
a four minute video. But what was going around was
the forty five seconds he took a break from promoting

(54:50):
his video to fake a call. Yes, he's like, oh,
hold on. He goes to the camera, hold on and
say it is fake.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I wanted want to clarify it's got Otherwise why would
have been posted.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, he did a fake call to call out his dad.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
It has to because it doesn't take any breaks, because
you can tell by the acting. There's a oh yeah,
I know it's tough there and Dallas, it's gonna get better. Yeah,
you're right, Yeah, there's this there's not enough there's not
enough pause for the other guy to talk. It's just okay, yeah,
and then he continues to talk. Yeah, it had to
be fake.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So it's actually I mean, he's thinking, I'll do this
fake call with my dad about the mouth from his dad.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
It's okay, from talking about and his dad. Well, I
don't know why he's not playing point.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Guy okay, but he's doing that because it's gonna drum
up interest in said kid podcast coming to a network
near you. I guess that's what we think. How's the
noggin looking.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
He's got a hat on, he's got his own logo, TJK.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
It does look cool. He's logo.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
He's grown into his head though.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
He looks a lot like Jason. He's kidding like like,
I mean, look, I only watch a clips of player podcasts,
not watching TJ kid podcasts. Okay. I appreciate hearing the
backdrop of it though. Sure.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah, it's all the clips. That's all you need, the clips.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Do you think his first guest should be Dad or Nico?

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Good Get? That would be pretty good, very good Get.
I can't. I didn't fake. That's actually awesome. You gotta
start doing that.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Oh yeah, that's the only reason why you got publicity.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, alright, fascinating. Worked twelve games on tonight.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Uh and yeah, Dallas has to win by two for
Tasks to snap his losing streak here, which is getting
pretty legendary in the no Dunk Starters Basketball Jones streets.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I'm out there evaluating Goate's to see who's go to emulated.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, yeah, TJ Kidd have one. He feels like.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
He's had. He's got a scruff going on here, probably
right at some point, absolutely, all right, coming up later today,
Bulls are Back Week three.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Hey, tk's awesome Bulls rewatch of the seventy two to
ten Bulls on playback that link in the show notes.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Three pm, Zach Correct three pm. Three games on today,
Orlando Magic, Ooh Shack and Penny Forest Grant Revenge Game
three D Dennis Scott. We got the Calves our first repeat,
then the New Jersey Nets. No Jason Kidd, but you
got Harman Gilliam Can Anderson the Hammer.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Oh kidding, one of my favorite.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
All right, that's.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Cool, though, Man. I gave credit to whoever this person
is who put these up, San. They do a good
job with these replays because you're not just getting something,
but like they included Chris Dudley air balling a free throw.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
That's great, that's awesome. Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Stuff I want to see thirty years.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
After the fact.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah, okay, keep it up. I was going to ask you,
do you know the results of the games heading into
your rewatch?

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I could easily find it out. Yeah I know, but dude,
but I'm trying to keep it, trying to keep it fresh,
like I actually get to know it. I mean, I
assume they're gonna win most of them. Yeah they did,
but have they lost the game yet? Undefeated still? Okay?
I was wondering when they lose their first game?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, find it. Okay, you might find out if they
lose one of these games in week three of.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
They also don't have the score bug up for the
majority of these games. I don't remember that from the nineties.
That feels like an eighties thing to me. But now
you watch the game, the scores up the entire time,
not the case on WGN. I really didn't really focus.
That's awesome. You got to pay attention. You should go
back to that. You have to score the game at home,
like you're watching baseball. It's a lot of writing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, my daughters see a
score bug disappear usually now because of there's an error
in the truck. Something's going on, and they ask where
is it?

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Where they're so conditioned.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just the way it is. Yeah,
but I say, maybe a I'll produce one for us.
Let's just wait, maybe I'll jump one.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
So that's at three pm on playback and then later tonight. Yeah,
you're jumping on playback. Yeah, for a lot of these games.
I guess.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yes, playback is encouraging what they're calling playbacks Big day
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(59:40):
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Speaker 3 (59:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
They want they want some affordability for games. Nice. I
suppose that's what they're promoting, but just fan watchability. But
as you said, there's just there's games upon game. There's
twelve games. Yeah that Nicks Magic s interesting one. Hey
I'm interested in I'll tune into Wizard's Rockets I don't

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can this could be Cam Whipmore's revenge. Oh wow, that
dunk against Jalen Duran was fucking awesome the other day.
There's lots of good games. So I'll be on time tonight.
Seven Sometimes I'm a seven man. Once the game start, ready,
I don't want to just wait, but we'll go really.

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