What a Role Player CAN'T Do, The End of The PG & Which Players Should Get Their Jerseys Retired?

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
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been doing a great job of sending us some fun questions.
And the first question, I'll get to that one. I
want to ask you because we were talking about this
in the show for Danny Green from Caine's Fan for Life, what.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Was your favorite Tar heels? Men? We were talking about
this before the show. No, you're time in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
We were talking about we weren't talking about but uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, man, we would have.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
To put that on Patreons.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Truth after a lot of different things, put it on
Truth after Dark. But nah, So you probably think about
like your youngest I'm saying your youngest, but like my
first introduction to college basketball and we weren't expected to
win anything. Everybody left it five team had just won

(01:43):
a national title. It was me Tyler Hansboro. You know,
Marcus Gard Bobby Fraser. We had a small group. Our
team wasn't that good, but being Duke at Duke was
probably that happened your freshman year, Yeah, Tyler, we beat them.
That was Aj was a senior. They had shell the
Williams out, you know, the Landlord had all those guys.

(02:04):
We weren't supposed to win. But I've been lucky enough
to be undefeated at Cameron. But that was the start
of it. You played, You beat Duke four years in
a Cameron. Yeah, not many. There's a couple of guys,
said Tyler. Of course the guys in my class. Think
Tim Duncan's another one. There's not many people that can
say undefeated in Cameron. But to go in that building
and then fans right on top of you, it's like
only six thousand fans, but they got their whole. I

(02:26):
feel like they go to class for the chance that
they be doing They got some funny shit. But to
go in there and beat them, said, and we beat
them on some senior knights too, it's like their senior knights. Wow,
we spoiled a couple of them. So that probably was
one of my favorite, like definitely my favorite outside of
winning the National title, but beating Duke at Cameron and

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then come to Franklin Street seeing how Frankly Sheet. I
don't know if you've ever been or heard of.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I've never been to UNC you've been like.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
All Cinema or six Street or anything like that. Of course,
so Frankly Sheet is like that. But on Halloween they
shut the street down. Everybody out there, like eighty thousand
people will costumes. So when we went in big, big Night,
everybody's out there like there's bonfires, people jumping, climbing poles
like it's it's it's crazy, it's a whole thing. So
we never got a chance to experience it because we're
telling me, get back, it's already done. But we can

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see photos pictures now you can see lot of footage,
but they don't do it as much anymore. But it
was a street that was very much celebrated. After any
big win or any holiday, people will be out there,
you know, acting a fool. So yeah, those definitely my
favorite memories.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Beating the hell out of the dookies always, that's always good.

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Brandon Harris asks rank the top NBA podcasters, with the
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hooping during their prime.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Bro, there's so many what podcast now? I know, but
I'm trying to think of, like who else, Like what
OG's old? Shack gotta be number one, right, Shack?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, just to name them for the people that can't
see the players that the Brandon Harris mentioned is d
Wade Carmelo, Shaq, Jeff t, Pat Bev, Draymond KG, you,
Donnis Porter Junior, and Jalen Brunson. I think we can

(05:28):
say Shack is the best.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, because I'm thinking, like, is anybody in that realm
that has a podcast like you don't see like Magic
Mike or any Arry Bird those guys like Shack feels
like a top ten player on the top ten players
of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, problem, it's just him.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And then outside of that, then you got to go
right to KG, and you got to go to KG
like KG and Truth like them as a tandem. It's
probably the two because KG is if not top ten,
right outside the top ten. Yes, and then uh d
Wade and Mellow.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Wade and Mellow, I would says, in that next tier
right there, so you know, pick like just straight up superstars,
like superstar unstoppable players in their prime.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Draymond Man, I would say Jalen Brunson is a better
player than Draymond.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
But the resume.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, but like carrying offenses in the playoffs and getting
to conference finals, I think it's.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
A dominant defensive Bro, that's cool, but we can do that.
Last that's not but that's that's not the team.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
How about we do it like this? Like who gets
paid more? Who's going to get a max contract? A
couple of No, he didn't get no damn max. He
got good money, but he didn't get a max.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Conras got some max deal. No, he didn't. Man, last
it was one hundred. Before that he made a hundred,
and what was his dealing?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
He made good money? He was he wasn't getting max contracts.
Was like I don't know, like probably made.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Like bro before that was extension, like it was probably.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
There won twenty five?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Did here twice.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Bro, Clay Thompson got a two hundred million dollar contract.
There's a reason he got that not Draymond Green because
offense is harder to quire.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Where was Draymond's contract before that? I'm pretty sure it
was a it was a twenty million dollar contract, Bro. No,
I don't know now after his rookie year five years

(07:52):
eighty two, telling you Bro, he wasn't at that time.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
That was like a big It was a nice contract, Danny.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
But they paid Clay eighty minutes he did, right, So
what's the max? Yeah? Where is the max at the time? No, No,
four years one hundred is not a max. Guys signed
max contract stead Who Bro, that's not a mag At
the time, it was Bro Clay, Yo, he's hat Bro.

(08:25):
He signed to max deals. Bro, he's with Clutch, he's
playing twice.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Twenty five million dollars was not the maximum NBA salary
at that time.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
According to ESPN, Draymond agreed to a four year, one
hundred million dollar maximum contract extent in twenty nineteen, and.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Before that twenty fourteen fifteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Draymond was the second round pick. So you know, your
contracts kind of get I understand he's based off of
your original contract. But he's never like signed a true
like Maximomy contra.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
You never sign a max deal for being a lottery pick.
Okay is though Bro he signed max deals like Jo.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Kich is the second round pick.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right, You see how he's His deal was two hundred
something mill in a different era, d you know what
I mean in the league longer max deals. Back then
it was like fifty five mill like bro Bro twenty
million dollars five yes, yes, when you were young, there
was Max Dell's at the first one hundred contract.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
My first max in two thousand and three was five
years and eighty million.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Facts. Yes, okay in two thousand and three exactly, So twenty.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Nineteen, that's not a maximum contract.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
He's not as good as Jalen Brunson.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
People.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
He's not putting people on his back and driving clutch
offense on his own like Jalen br Jalen bruns is
better than Draymond.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
This last pot though, the way you were talking we
were talking about Martin, we said, you're talking about his
defense is being an impactful games the dominant Yeah, so
his defense is compared to Jaien Bunch of offense.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
No, No, you're talking about No, it's harder. It's rare
to find somebody who does what Jalen Brunton does on
offense than it is to find. Really, you need good
defensive players, but it's easier to find them than guys
that can dominate.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Today's NBA is not as easy. I feel he's not
many defenders in today's NBA.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I saw that on the internet. I completely disagree.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
If there was, you think nine times all defensive team,
you think we couldn't find other guys. There's a bunch off.
There's a bunch of other defenders out there, and Draymond's
the first to do it nine times. No, not Michael Jordan,
not Scottie Pippen, not what I mean what non all
defensive teams. Nobody's doing it. I think he's the first
and only to do it. I think he's the first.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
And I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I think Jordan all defensive teams. I gotta check that,
but I think he was the first, like to he
was like the I thought he wasn't first. Tim Ducket,
how many all defenses? I don't know if he has not,
I don't know, Timmy I would like to do. You
don't know about your teammates more and more.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
The first team, seven second teams, fifteen select fifteen selections.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Bro, you don't know how you don't know this? No, no, no, no,
it's right there, like whe where do you? They said
it made basketball encyclopedia. He can't believe that.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
What I'm saying is dra Mind has been an elite defender.
And again he's however long into his career that he's been.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Like you, so before you looked up, you don't have
any ticket you might defensive selections ticket had.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Before this came up, I knew he had more than
nine or not. Yes, That's why I said sure.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
But when he said it, he when Jaymond spoke about it,
he's like no other people, nobody else maybe second rounders.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think, maybe the second rounders or like guys that
Ken was like trying to put him in the company.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Maybe second rounders. Maybe he's the only, say round it
non defensive.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
But all of this is to say, just just because
I think Draymon is an important player, doesn't mean he's
more important to what the Knick student, what Jalen brunts
the Jalen Brunson. So Jalen Brunson is after the wading Carmelo.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
To me, okay, and then you got Draymond after that.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Probably yeah, probably, yeah, Draymond after that?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Who else is out there right there? List? That's a list,
But he's saying he wants us to throw our own
people in that we know, right, like as if we
know to have podcasts. Playoff p got a podcast, Revan
Fleet got a podcast. Now there's a lot of guys podcasts.
Gilbert Arena's playoff.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
He is at the level I would say he's right
next to Jalen Brunson in terms of the prime of
his career. Yeah, I would say he's He's of that
level the indie teams going to conference finals and you know,
finishing in the top five MVP. He like, again, these
are things. As much as I love Draymond Green, he's.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Never done you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oo Gil, I mean his ship was cut short by
injury too, But I think Gil.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Right outside of that. I feel, yeah, he's right outside
of the Gil. I think Brunson, Gil Uh, Paul Pierce.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think Gil is in that. When he was at
his best, hibachi, you know, calling his shot like he
was the first one doing that, so he was shooting
the shot, putting his hands up. Michael Porter, junior, Pat
bev I would even say Fred van Vliet, although he's

(13:44):
closer to Jeff Tigue to me, thann't even than a
Pat bev or Ud. But yeah, I don't think you
can argue with Shaq, d Wade and Mellow being kind
of like at the forefront of that, I'm with you, bro,
and I see that we're gonna be doing this Draymond
thing all season. Yo, man, Bro, it's crazy, but I'm

(14:10):
not gonna lie. I kind of was surprised by, like,
there's so many people on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Of drama with the Draymond thing. What was the thoughts?
I didn't tell me what I was looking at the comments.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
There's people who just think that, like Draymond is like
a system player, which I'm just like, Bro, Like, as
a second round pick, there's no path for you to start.
They're already paying David Lee. They like, they don't want
you to play.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You have to force your.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Way into that situation.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Depends on where he was just way better than than
David Lee was just and so they had to play.
So this I did wait wait, wait, wait at defense
you mean period he was just better than him.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
They had Wait, it was like he was a good bro,
bro look up, can shoot jump go look up the
line up data. That's why they put Draymond. They couldn't
they couldn't deny it anymore. Like when he played, the
team played way better.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
But then when they played David League, well because because
he you know what I'm saying, he fit better with
that group. I get it, okay, for sure, I don't
disagree with that. But you said better player than the
like offensive.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Better play than David Lee, just better playing than David Lee.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
At the time, I'm saying he became a better player.
I don't know if at the time he was a
better player. I think at the time he was better.
That's why he played.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
David was a defensive. He was a defensive.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, he played because Dave got hurt. Yes, he was
twenty and ten in New York at the next and
then Golden State DA All Star. You talking about him
like his plumber. I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Respect stop. You know what I'm saying is about breaking
into the team. David Lee's so great, like you're saying
he took his spot as a second round pick like
that means something. So this idea that he would have
been on the Wizards and he wouldn't have been able
to play, that don't make no sense.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
He played on a like this idea that Draymond landed
in the luckiest spot, and if he was anywhere else,
he just he would have fell to the way he
would played. Nobody say he would have played a lot
of a lot of accolades were enhanced because of the
group that he had.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Sure, I think he would have shown what makes him
a unique and valuable player no matter where he was at.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
For sure, I'm not saying to make it the second
round picks don't get opportunity. You can get opportunity the
second round pick. If they drafted you, you get opportunity.
Wasn't Nico your second round pick? Yes?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
But again, like like he had, he showed it, like
he just kept killing everybody that was in front of
him over and over. Like for instance, you're not gonna
get like the coach is not going to get a
call from the GM for not playing the second round pick.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
You don't play a top ten pick, you're getting a call. Okay,
it's still think if you draft a guy who was
I think if you, if they draft you, I think
they're gonna put They're gonna pour into you regardless. Maybe
I'm just going off what i've seen in San Antonio.
I know they poured in.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
S Antonio's a special place. These guys are unearthed and
talent all over.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
They had twenty five minutes Cordeous and the first round
of second round.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
No, I'm agreeing with you about San Antonio, but generally
speaking in the NBA, like there aren't all these teams
unearthed in these gems in the second round.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Understand, but I feel like if they draft you, they
gonna want to try to groom you into being something
that they believe. You know what I'm saying. They they're
gonna put some money into you. Know what I'm saying,
Like they believe in you. They drafted you, so they're
gonna give you some type opportunity.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
The second round is an undrafted guys.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
How many picts you get? Now, if you're in Brooklyn,
nets you have six fucking first rounds and round is different.
But if you have one in one, they're like, Yo,
we drafted this kid, we'd like him. We want to
see what he can do, especially if you bring him aboard.
Like now, if you draft the guy and let them
go overseas is different. But you bring him on and
he makes the rosters. All Right, we're gonna try to
see if we can groom him. We're gonna give him
opportunity to chance. Twenty ninth, he was in the fresh round,

(18:08):
but Jaylen Brunston was the second round pick.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
But what I'm saying is the argument you're hearing is
that Draymond got lucky to be on Golden State or
else we'd have never heard of this guy.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
And I just completely so that's crazy to me, too extreme.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, Like and you know, of course Warriors fans like
love Draymond, like they feel like he was in I
think right that he was an integral part of the team.
But like this whole thing that Draymond like just straight
up it's about of just fast.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
But then on the other side of it, people are
putting them on a pedestal like he means me, some
people think he's a bum. He's not a bum by
any means. And he would have been very good at
other places, and I have great.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
He would have made on the team on Charlotte, like
how how could it be that he goes on a
worst team with worst players than Golden State fifty win team,
but Steve Kerr jams him into the starting lineup. They
turned into a sixty something win team, then seventy something
win team. He can start and play thirty five forty

(19:22):
minutes for a team that's that good. But on Charlotte, oh,
he would have just he wouldn't have been able to
fight his way like that makes no sense to me.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
That don't make no type of sense whatsoever to me.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Like for the worst team, you would he would have
a hard time playing ballid argument.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no, no, no, no, no. Draymond could play on
any team in the NBA. Yes, we have made all
Star teams on that's the question.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, So now now when you start talking about impact
on like individual like things like all Star team, because
like being on the losing team, you're not getting that.
You're not getting an All Star with some of these numbers,
you know what I'm saying. But as far as is
he a winning player, I think he's a winning.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Winner, you know what I'm saying. Does he does he
push the line as much as Steph and clay in
their prime not so much.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
But he's an integral piece that can be on every
championship team for sure, like a blue guy. Like every
championship team has a guy like Robert. These are the
guys that don't stats, don't jump out at you all
the time, but they're valuable, super valuable, And he's one
of the elite amongst those guys.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
You're talking about the greatest role player. I always say that,
who's the greatest role player?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Like, I mean he's not a role player? Yeah, I
mean he's not a role player. I'm part of the
Big Three. I think if you say, if you say
he's a Big three, you're not.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
A role player. There's a reason role player. No, he's
Big Three. I think Draymond's a role player. Bro, I
mean player is like he's probably he's a role there's
no Hall of Fame role players.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
No, Romin's not a role player. You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying, Like PJ. Brown for you
guys not gonna go to the Hall of Fame. No,
Like like James Posey was a role player. Yeah, great
role players, but there's a reason great role player. Yeah,
but that's the reason why I think he's the greatest
role player of all time because he's going to the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I can see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
It's almost like he stands on his own. It's almost
like when you say, like give a role player hall
of Fame. So the question again, if you go put
him on Charlotte, is he still going to be a superstar?
Like is he going to still be a superstar?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I think he plays ten to fifteen. I think he
plays fifteen years in the league.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
For sure, but a superstar. Would you make him a
big Is he a big three guy on a on
a team like that?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh no, he can't be a big three. So it's
not going to be a big three Like it's a
big three because you're playing with quality players that contribute
to winning.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I'm saying they have LaMelo, Brandon, Miller, Miles, Bridges, Conkupple,
and would you consider him part of like he's the
star of the team, Like, would he be a star
on the team team? Would he be a star?

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I think Draymond when he was.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
He only starting, so again that's when he was other team,
I think a star everywhere he went.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
No, I think Draymond at the AGA would make a
huge impact.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
On certain teams. He was a star. Robin again, I would,
I would. I would argue Robin is a role player.
He's a star everywhere he with. I would argue he's
a role player, damn Rebounding are different types of role players,
but robinsop star role player as well. He played to me.

(22:59):
I would.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Can't Rodman a guy who's getting assignment against like a
cal alone like his guard he was.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
He got rebounds. He was a role player.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
When Mike and Scotti, I think of a role player,
role player bro, just like Ron was. But Ron Harper,
these motherfuckers they.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Had Cuckoach even.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think it's a little disrespectful to say you're just
playing a role bro. Everybody outside of Mike and Scotty
was fucking role players. What are you talking about. I'll
tell you what a role player a role player.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I'll tell you what a role player can't do. A
role player can't be late to the flight.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
You're not to get left. You're not leaving Dennis Rodman
until he gets to the plane ship. I Seenante West
hold up planes for what organization Cleveland exactly. It don't matter, bro,
it does matter. Yeah, Lebron Shock was there, rookie, we

(23:57):
waited for dance. It don't matter. Hold up the plane.
Ain't that what motherfucker's being late? Na? You get left?
Get left. I've seen people hold the players role players.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
On what role players? Any I know said about how
long ten minutes? Nah, thirty minutes? The hour should Dante?
We wait an hour? Talk hour, Redla trying to call
him won't even starter. I don't think it's a start.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, oh my goodness, you're waiting for Draymond to get
to the fly.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yes, depend on the organization. For certain people, we're just like,
all right, he'll catch it. Put them on United if
it's a if it's a if it's a rotational player.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Like you know in twenty sixteen when Draymond missed what
was the game five that he missed, and people would
be like, man, that that that game five winning men
because Draymond didn't play. You wouldn't say that about Ron
Harp on the Bulls, that the Bulls didn't win a
playoff game because Ron Harper missed it.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. I'm just saying no
to say that the game. You'd be like, yo, Tony
was y know they need they didn't have Tony Cook
like an intricate part Tony coach. Somebody would say that role.
But Dennis was a Hall of tam total Hall.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Of Famer makes special exemptions for the foreign dude.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
He was a player, Bro, they got it was the
name Scotty and Mike was a role player. So if
you draw up this play in the playoffs for you
to win the game, you I've got to play running
for me to the playoffs to win the game, to
win the game, I've taken its win games. Let's pull
this up. I've taken shots to win. Take first off shot,

(25:49):
take a big shots. There's a lot of games reverse
give us one dog in the playoffs, just like the
said playoffs for the win. Orlando. I wasn't first option Orlando.
He say you on first option? I was. I was
the first option Orlando, Toronto. Me hit a game on
against Orlando in the playoffs. Let's let's get this, let's

(26:09):
get this, let's see this right. But again, Bro, I've
been drawn to run. He believe like Bro. Hold on,
that looked like that was for Carl Lowry.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
First Green clutch hold on that was forgot you was
the second option on that Plade.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Took the ball out look first option. Where game I'm
talking about what talk that ship? It's a game what
I'm saying. But it was on the fly, So it
wasn't like a time I butt on the fly San Antonio.

(26:48):
Anytime we needed the three, it was a play, Pop
will call that ship. And it was against the Lakers.
I've done in the regular season and even the playoffs
to tie the game against Golden State. Bro, I was
a role player, and then they might call a play
for Jerrek Fisher, Robert or He's still a role player.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, we're gonna pick this back up because I want
to get into one more fan question. Jordi two hundred
and fifty six nun Yez wants to know Danny how
did it felt when Ray hit that three in the corner?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
And Paul, will you ever play in the Big Three.
Let's get to Danny first. Yeah, that shit, it's hard
to watch still to this day. Bro. Honestly, at the
time when it happened, I'm trying to remember, like I
don't in the moment, I don't think I knew Like
if it was tired or he was still up because
we have misfree throws. But I was like, damn, I

(27:38):
thought he was down when he hit the three, I
thought he was down. So my first instinct was like, Yo,
get that bitch out, let's go. We had seven seconds again,
we bring this shit up all the time. Referee stopped
the fucking play. They just stopped the play to see
if it was a two or three. Pop starts going
ape shit on the sideline because he's like, he's telling
us to go. He's like, if they scored, we going.
They stopped it for them to have a set defense,

(28:00):
all that type shit. So wasn't it you that Chris
Bosch blocked in the corner. Yeah, he fouled. I thought
he found he foiled me.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Broh, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
He got the three. I'm like, fuck, what do we do?
I'm like, all right, I'm like, let's go, let's get out,
let's get out of here. And they just stopped to
play and let them set up like it was pretty
much a time out for them. Seven seconds. Tony, we
could have been out.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Crazy sequence of events because the thing that I think
people forget is that Tony Parker made like two step
back threes in a row is something crazy like that,
or at least one step back to the left. When
Tony Parker was not a three point shooter, that wasn't
his ministry. So this he made a huge three.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Man.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
This is so crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I thought Tony was gonna try to at least contest,
but I was like, all right, look, five seconds we're
trying to get that. I'm trying to get that bitch out.
I'm like, y, let's go. They stopped playing. They call
a whistle. I'm like, what's going on. They need to
look a pop. They need to know if it's focus
on dude ship after we're going, we're going, Oh my goodness,

(29:07):
I'm trying to get the bitch out fast. I'm thinking
we have like seven seconds. It was five seconds, but
we'd have got the bow down the floor, like Tony
could get that bitch down the floor. Yeah, you would
have got We would have got a shot off. May
not have been a great look, but we would have
got some type of look. Now we gotta set up
against a half court set defense. Take it out on
the side. I get said we went into overtime.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I think I got Yes, you did go into overtime.
But I think that last playing regulation was Bosh closing.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
It was or it was that overtime because they it
was overtake overtime. Yeah, pe drop finals play for me
to get the shot game finals. They drew up a
play for me in the corner, uh, to take the
last three. We was down I think two or three.
I don't know when it was.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm looking at y'all lineup. Y'all had no three points,
was the only three point shooter and.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Then uh like.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Every now and again.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, he needed some time. Yeah, y'all had no shooting
back then at the time, it was when heavy three
points like that, Damn, he was the only shooter. We
had Gary come with the bench. We had garyt on
the bench with us. When were rid of Jack, we
got rid of Jack t Mac. Y'all got rid of Jack.

(30:26):
That's why y'all lost. But just nice Jack. Jack was good,
but he was the year before is when he actually
gave us. But that year he was good too, but
he was having some off the court troubles with like
him and he was given a pushback, like he wanted
to play more and it would have took away from
me and Kawhi like, yeah, he thought he was like
he was good. But if he was, he was, he

(30:47):
was solid. He would have gave with somebody like defense, foul,
like some heart like you know what I'm saying, some edge,
somebody's gonna fox somebody up where you know, probably take
somebody's heart. But he would have took away if he wanted.
He was gonna play more minutes, but she wanted. It
would have took away from me and Kawhi actually like
hoop and hooping. Yeah, yeah solid. Is this the last place?
This is the last place. I feel like it might

(31:09):
it might have been overtime, damn, with the whole full
seconds we could advance. I don't know. Maybe I think
he didn't want advance with Tony Bump. He got away
with a little year. Today's game. They might call it
something like that. Yeah, yeah, they had new life. But

(31:32):
the end of overtime is one. Yeah got the look.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah bro, the crazy game.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Nah hard to watch, but at the moment, I was like, damn,
get that bitch out, let's go. Hard to watch. You
ever playing a Big Three? Though, p asked that was
the second place.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Three, the Big three ice Cube close.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
The Big Three is like when you first retired, like
your first couple of years, come.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Good as shape and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Like I've been retired for like eight nine years. I
might be in there. Wise next next time, I might
be looking at it. They talk to me about it.
I might, So I play. I mean, I'm playing these
little How many games is the Big three weekend? I
think it's like ten so every weekend, once a weekend. Yeah,
on the weekend on Saturday, every Saturday. I asked them, so,

(32:26):
I was like, how much is the travel? How many games?
So in the summertime, since it's drokes like dry season
for media, like I'll be chilling. I might. I might
do it next summer. We'll see. Yeah, Okay, it's a
good question. Can you read it? Because if you can
put yourself on any NBA like any current NBA roster,

(32:47):
where would you place yourself? Yes, I am today? Yeah?
Or like right when you right when you walk? Can
help today? I can help a team today, yeah for sure?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Right for I can't help something I can't beyond help.
I can help Orlando. Okay, they need some more shooting. Okay,
you know I'm gonna give spot shooting for sure. I
know I can knock down some shots you know they
got there has been bang. But then outside of that,
they shooting is kind of inconsistent.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I can. I can get you some open wide looks
and some hard fouls right now. Definitely definitely not Stretch four.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I'm a stretch for I can give me, give me like, yeah,
I played like a couple of days a week. It's
six weeks to get in better shape. If I drop
about like if I could drop fifteen pounds, I'll be straight.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I need like to I've been hooping. So if I
get like two or three weeks, I could get in like.
But again, I'll give you about twenty minutes at most,
because then I don want to know I need twelve
minutes minutes. I can help a couple of teams. You
just playing solid like plug in like for teams that
what did you shoot from three career? That's good. I

(34:05):
think I was asking in your primes though, in your primes,
what team would you want to right now? It would
be a great Denver. I feel like even Lakers right
now with ye Lucas, like the guys, even Knicks could
use like somebody I'm not eve talking about prime like
even off the bench, like told my later years, I
could help the next team, even Cleveland that could use

(34:26):
some shoot, like Detroit would be a good good spot
Indiana without last year Indiana's team. I feel like we've
been a good fit. Of course, Okay, so it would
be easy, but like I feel like there's a lot
of people that I want to get up in the
for sure. But yeah, definitely fit those groups time All

(34:50):
Star and small forwards. Antonio, did you not play for
you know what I mean? F on any contender? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Especially you replaced prime Piers with Reeves and we're gonna
win seventy plus games.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
All right, let's get to our picks of the night.
Favorite Picks of the Night presented by Prize Picks.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Mavericks at Lakers. Yeah, so be way more fun if
everybody's playing. Man, this is weak, bro, do we know
want you know, Luca gonna get fucking sixty? Oh yeah,
you know what I'm saying? Like none of the Opers good,
I mean Cooper's he had sickness for a second, is.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Obviously still the time. I'm surprised if Kyrie plays this season.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
To be honest, I got the Lakers. The MAVs look
like yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, but no, we're gonna go with Luca more or
less than thirty four and a half more.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I'm gonna go less, might double it because I feel
like the Lakers is gonna blow them out.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
He gonna let him. Nah, I don't think it's gonna
be blocked. And that's in l A. Yeah, they gonna
blow him. I don't think it's gonna be blow yeah, somehow.
Doubts is always like Daniel Russell is gonna come in
and give like thirty. If you don't stop that, I'm
saying you, like yo, check Danngel that line. He had
a couple of thirty bows this season already.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
If you don't stop that against team, you're gonna come in,
who's gonna get thirty?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
D Angel had a couple of thirty point Lakers.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
What they're missing?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Now? Stop disrespecting them. Not disrespecting twenty eight, twenty three.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Where's the couple of thirties at? I see zero zero
zero at the time, Hold up, I.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
See at the top zero twenty three, eight twelve, five, seven,
six nine.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
They gonna thirty one against I see a five seven,
six ten bro against his old team. He's you don't
stop that if you don't stop that, all right, I'll
bet my hundred to I'll give I'll bet.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Ten to one, one hundred to your ten dollars. Easy,
got money. You guys gonna play hard. They playing against
the Lakers. They're gonna play hard. One hundred to your twenty, Christy,
and it's gonna be a blow I don't think it's
gonna be a blowout. So what you said, who go
get what I'm saying, it's gonna be sake, is gonna

(37:21):
play good enough to not get not get blown up?
And I'll give you ten point I'll give you ten points.
I'm gonna say Luca's gonna get more. He won't play
enough minutes to play. He don't get forty. It's gonna
be a blowout.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Hooper flagged more or less than nineteen and al say
he's nothing, he's less For me as well, I'm gonna
say less.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, I'm going less.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Lebron more or less than eight point five assists less.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I'm gonna go more less. I think he's gonna be
gonna I just.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Don't think he's gonna be playing that type of role,
whether he's gonna be handling the ball right other night. Yeah,
but I said I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna go less because I think a lot of my
self responsibilities is going to eighty five for Yeah, I'm going.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Less, maybe seventy five percent there, but he's not.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
All the way only one by two? Yeah, bro yo,
oh you was in here. We haven't seen six and
eight mark and then.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Had a chance to hit the game winner at the end.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Looking with thirty three. Yeah, I missed that game. Yeah,
less for me? He had eight. He had eight, so
eight and a half so lest who didn't play everybody?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I think it was just one of those things where
like it's teetering at the nine eleven point lead and
then at the end, ch'all just starts making a flurry
of threes and all of a sudden because the Lakers
didn't put him away, they were in trouble.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Do I want to rethink this? He has to get
nine assists. I'm going to a lot of assists it is.
I'm I'm gonna still say, I'm gonna say more.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
All right, Grizzlies at the Clippers hard and more, okay,
hard and more or less than twenty four and a
half he's been.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
He's been getting that in the first quarters like lately
seventeen he didn't. He has to score for them to
be he has to score. Kawi is back. Though, now
Kawhi is back, I'm going less.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'm probably gonna go less too.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna go more. I think he still has
to score for Kawhi for him to be in the
In the conversation of winning the game, get them, he
won't shoot, he'll just turn into assists man. That's like
second half usually, but usually get Like the last couple
he'd been seventeen like, he averaged like six fifteen to
seventeen the first Quartogo, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna look
at assist man Harden on this game. All right.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Well, those are Picks of the Night presented by Prize Picks.
I wanted to get you guys' thoughts on Jersey retiring
because a few guys have retired recently. Well, Chris Paul
most prominently announcing his retirement and Michael Irvin had to

(39:52):
take uh saying I know, yes, okay, I mean we
know what he said, right, So I want to I
want to hear hear it again. Yeah, yeah, Okay, let's
let's listen to Michael Irving about jerseys being retired.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Why would you want your jersey retire? I don't understand people.
When they retire your jersey, they put.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
It in the rafters and the only time they talk
about it is when you leave time and you go
to eternity and then.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
You'll pay it off. Came off the game and said,
we lost Michael back to the game.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
But when I put when I leave that jersey, then
I get my flowers that for Sunday. If we kept
the pants, they said that looked like Mike if.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I would have loved that. That stands true because of
CD Lamb. Let somebody else wear that eighty eight.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's the thing with Dallas. It's only been like Dez
Bryant CD Lamb, but Irving drew.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
So they don't give it.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
They don't allow certain Yeah, you got to come in
with a certain level of pedigree.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I understand that, but again, and most of these guys
we've lived up to that. That's one organiza. Yeah, you
can't allow everybody to wear twenty three.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Could you imagine, like guy Michael Jordan's in the Chicago
Bulls twenty three jersey.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Like, bro, what, no, you want some bum wearing thirty
four Kansas or boss? You know what I'm saying? Like,
I thought my jersey were retired at Kansas. I looked
up the other day it was somebody wearing it. I
don't know what was going on and the rules are
it comes on. Maybe I didn't give a donation, But.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, Chris Paul is about to retire.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm cool with that. Like if another way to honor
the number, asks the player how he wants to be honored.
It's all right. If the player says, you know, I
want my number, I'm okay with the best players wear
my number if they want to wear.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
It, what's all right. So let me ask you about
this that we're talking about, this retired number. Does Carmelo
get his number retired?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
And Edinber? I would like to think so. I would
like to think he should, but he got yosaid, who's
MVP number? Can you retire both? It's kind of.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Crazy, it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So one is eventually going to be retired. They just
got to put Carmelo.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, that's that's so awkward.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Can you retire both? Though nobody's wearing a number of
a game. By the time that is done, they both.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Again Carmelo forced his way out of town. It was
an ugly trade demand situation.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Was it that trade? But I don't know if he
was like yeah, it was like today he's like, I'm
not playing them, like they.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Didn't get like Jimmy Butler in Miamia or James in Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
James, James and Phil in Philly more so than Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, he calls a little stink in Brooklyn too, though
they knew they had, they didn't. They weren't like voluntarily
getting rid of them.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
What he was he wasn't not an extension.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well he got promised one and then dal Moore even
nig and so he called them. He called them a
liar in public. I thought that was funny ship I
ever heard of.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
My life ever.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
But yeah, I guess you're right. It's different for every franchise, right,
like the Celtics or the Lakers. They can't have the
same jersey retirement standards as the Wizards, Bobcats, you know,
like yeah, he's got even.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Like even Okaye, like okay, see, like yeah, I see
some greats there. But you know, I think with the
Warriors is gonna be the guys from the run and.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Then it's just gonna be.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Like, yo, if you have some Playiggy and Katie.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I think Kad should probably Yeah, should he be retireding?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Okay, so too?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yes, absolutely definitely. Did he played like ten years there?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah for sure and one MVP there. Yeah, So regardless
of how you leave, if you would at MVP in
that space, you should get retired. So ticket for sure.
Did he get his MVP in Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
It was in Minnesota, so he should have his jersey.
It's just he doesn't have it because him and Glenn
Taylor had again.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
So REGs make it right there? Yeah, should make it right,
make it right. I said the same thing I had
other people debate otherwise, like, yo, if you leave on
a bad no or bad taste, like you shouldn't have
up the organization you you don't. You don't automatically get.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
In Jimmy get in Miami retirement after not on the
pat Ronnie's regime.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I do you think he deserves to be I don't know,
Like how many years did he played there? Five?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
He went to two finals, twenty you got twenty nineteen,
he got there twenty nineteen. He left in twenty twenty five.
That's six years, two finals.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Quinn toss a bunch of all stars. They do have
your did in the Raptors.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, mister, mister, this is.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
A different standard.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, I mean he's a different kind of player. But
to get to Chris Paul, I think he should absolutely
be a retired Clipper like one hundred jersey.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, there's no other Clippers up in the Raptors. They
have no jerseys in the Raptors. Clipper, they have no legacy.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
That's a crazy I have no legacy, you have nothing.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, I mean how long has the Cliper has been around?
The brown for long enough?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
They've been around since.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
No Jersey retires, No, no, whould who you think deserves it?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
My Clippers standards, probably Elton Brand, Elton Brand, probably maybe
Baron Davis saying Chris Cave CP, but CP and Blake
Griffin absolutely no Brand Jersey retirement. Yeah, probably DeAndre too.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
And then after that was Alsodden. Kawhi might be if
he's there finished his career there, Kawhi could be there. Yeah.
I don't know how many YUSPG did, but they won't
retire Kawas Why not? Why? Because I don't think he made.
He haven't played in the games. And then they didn't
make a deep playoff run.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, he's never made.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
So if he finished out his career in the next
three years, that he would have played there like nine,
like a long time. He get twenty twenty, so he
played there.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Nine years from now. Yeah, but he heard twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, but he's been hurt a lot there for sure,
and no deep playoff run. They went to the what
what's the finals? Did they will?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
He was, yeah, it was like twenty one. They went
to the twenty one. They went to the Western Conference Finals.
They beat Utah in the second round. Kawhi wasn't playing.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, he didn't play that yet. This last post he
heard in the playoffs, but he got her.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Season is the first playoffs that Kawhi finished on the
floor since the bubble. Yes, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
It's a five year gap in this year.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
In twenty twenty one, I think it was Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Wait, you talked about this past.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Year he lost to Dallas. Yeah, okay, see yeah, yeah, yeah,
but the year before that was Dallas.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
It's Chris Paul the New Orleans I guess were they
even the Pelicans? You know they were the Hornets, the Hornets.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I guess now his tot time is limbo because damn
that franchise has changed and the Charlotte Hornets wouldn't now
under his New Orleans. So yeah, they's burned up Chris
Paul's Hornets legacy. It's just going in the dust. There's

(47:51):
no way to put it unless the Pelicans were just like, well,
we used to be the horn But like, are they
gonna put up Hornets jersey in there?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Right? That doesn't even makes sense. You don't see the
front of it anyway. You just see Paul right with
the number on the back.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
But would you But he's never put a Pelican's jersey
on before.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
You know, that's tough. It's weird. That's weird. That's a
weird like.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
King because he was that's his best years in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Okay, see another Seattle guys should be up there.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
I think Seattle is. I think Seattle has decided, like
fan base and the former players are like, we're getting
a team back.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
We're calling it the Sonics, and then we will honor
those guys.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no definite for that, But I'm
starting to think it's gonna have to be I'm it's
gonna have to be a relocation and.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Not a weird ras GP's legacy. The Orleans that's crazy
against again, So see, you've got to wait for a
team to come back that's the Charlotte or the New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
He's just gonna have to be happy with his Clippers
all time.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
But if they never do it in the Clipperland, they
said nobody has the standard of doing it, I think that.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Would be a mistake. I think that would be a
mistake on Steve Balmers.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
But again, instead, if Kwi finished out there the next
three years and plays, actually they do play, he plays
the next three years, he is Kawhi a Spurs retiree.
I think definitely Toronto. I think he should be a
Spurs Toronto. He gets a statue. Okay, so statue for
surero So like he did he did the one year, Like, yeah,

(49:31):
one year. That's the greatest one year statue we're ever
going to see. Yeah, but Spurs they're playing shouts around.
They're playing really well right now. We're not seeing there.
But he brought one there. They're playing really well right now.
Year statue, but he was in, he was in San
Antonio for six years? Was it six years? Five or
six years?

Speaker 1 (49:52):
We left his All Stars top three m v P finishes,
play the Year twice, right defensive played the year twice. Yeah,
All Stars.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
He didn't leave on a great note, but he deserves
to be in the Yeah. I mean they got they
got Bruce Bowing up there, big part of the twenty
fourteen championship, the Raptors. I think he allowed it to
be taken down when the Marcus got there to wear
his jersey. Damn, I didn't know Bruce was up there.
I think I think Bruce is up there.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Hopefully these guys get honored by these franchises. But I
will be looking forward to Ticket and Minnesota finally reconcilid
because it's weird that he hasn't been a big part
of the Minnesota Timbwolves organization.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Kevin Love, right, he should be up there too.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Kevin Love is one of the greatest Timberwolves of all time.
That's not even a question.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh, you won't retire in your jersey for anybody. Yeah,
that's the question, retire my jersey. I asked the question right,
there are there any Celtics players you would like to
see where in your jersey. They retire jersey in twenty eighteen,
was is anybody like from the Celtics you would be like,
okay with we're in your jersey.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like if when they drafted Tatum and Tatum was like, bro,
I'm really dying with thirty four. He came in with
a with a good reputation, lottery pick.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I think, like, you know, it has to be one
of those like guys that you're like, this guy has
like like I knew just Tatum coming in was gonna
be a really good player. But likes just certain guys
that coming to the league with this mystique in aura
like and we only see that once every twenty something years,

(51:33):
Like we saw with Magic, you saw with Jordan's, you
saw with Lebron, you saw it with Shaq, Like if Shaq,
if Shaq was I need you know what, like Shaq
coming in here and say that, like you see it?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Have you watched it? Have you watched what college? Like
right now, there's nobody in college that I was No.
I think those guys look like future All stars and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
But no, there's nobody in college that I've seen in
a long time, like.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
The Celtics would have drafted Wemby and he was like
thirty four off the rick.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Let me get that, you can get it. It's a
price tag with it, but I let it rock that.
I love that so exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, CP CP three is retiring, and just like on
his resume, I mean, I don't I don't even think
there's even an argument that this guy is in the
first ballot as soon as he comes up.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
All time and.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
All Stars, eleven all NBA selections, nine time All Defensive
Team selections, Rookie.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Of the Year.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
All times, he's the all time leader in the Cysts.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
No. John Stock was about to say, no, way, oh
for the season.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah, okay, so you won't like to assist crown five times,
the Steels crowned six times.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
You know, like, where does he rank among all times
all time point guards? Now?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Okay, we got we got to ask ourselves. Are we
counting the New age kind of guys like the Hardens,
the Lucas, the Shay's. Are we counting them as point
guards because they're the facto point guards now? But like
these guys are reading, well, I think Steph Curry is

(53:36):
more of a point guard in the Chris Paul mode
like these guys actually guarded each other when.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
They like its magic Steph and then after that as
a CP or is it somebody Isaiah Isaiah?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
A lot of people will say because he won two championships,
big oh, I mean Russ, Yeah I don't. Yeah, I
think Chris paul is like he's he's, you know, in
the elite mold of the guys that I grew up
watching in terms of Stockton and j K and yeah,

(54:12):
Gary Payton, like he's in that.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Went MVP. So I'll put them top five, But I
don't know about top three because like those other guys
like Nash got a couple of MVP. Kid, he didn't
get m VY finished second.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
He came damn close the second Dominance two thousand and four,
I believe, but it's easy to forget like CPS prop
like he was just an incredible player. He didn't hast championship,
never got one, but like you got him j K,
I do, Yeah, I do, because he could shoot.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
J K became a shooter toward the end of his career.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Spot up.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Open. Still what are we talking about? What are we
talking about?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Because only because he can shoot better, he's a bet
like he's better. He's impacted winning more than J Kidd.
I'm just saying I think so, man.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I do I think the best of Chris Paul is
better than the best of Jay Kids?

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, I did it.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I don't think it's like he's way better than him.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
What about Steve Nash? The best of Steve?

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I think the best of Steve Nash? I think that's
a conversation with Chris Paul. And I think he's just
definitely like just offensive.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Master back MVPs.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah, with the league, you had Kobe Shack, Duncan Garnett
in the League the Whiskey, Yeah, he won back to back.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, it's crazy, and like the Sons were winning him.
They had a good team. It's not like they were
bombs or any like he was playing with bombs.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I'm going damn Finals appearance, All Star Jesus J Kidd
nine All defensive teams to assist titles five Damn.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
J Kid not won steals titles, but he was a
really fucking good defender.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah he was. I hold Jake and high. I feel
like I got JKD in my top five too. Honestly,
how much does that championship? Wait, damn, I mean it was.
It was as much as it weighs, but like it
was at the end of his career.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
But that just shows you his greatness that he could
turn himself into a must have role player fifteen years,
sixteen years into his career glue guy prominently. He was
integral to that Dallas Mavericks team.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, I got CP in top five, but not not
top three, though I think it's a little top to
put the top three. There was another part of that question.
I feel like it was, I guess favorite memory of
story you play with? You got you play with Chris
CP and I like a little bit when he was
a Clippers. Yeah, I was, I was, I was there.

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I showed up.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah, wait year to the Clippers sixteen seventeen. I was
done after why Washington, I left Washington. I came home
and I was playing coach God pretty much.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Kick, it's your favorite story time.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
With CP three yelling at you when you guys play together.
That's his reputation that he yells at people. That's kind
of like the knock on CP.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
He's like old school players.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
He's like he really like like gnaws at people and
people get kind of like tied. That's the kind of like, yo, like.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
We get it, bro. You know, man, he is a
one of the craftiest fucking guys I've seen.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
But I would say this though he's the best. He
has the best hands I've ever seen, Like just watching
how he gets steals. He gets his hands on everything.
I was like this Vicinity offense.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
He's good with fuck it like he was one of
the first guys to like fuck you up while he's
you know what I'm saying, Like he knew how to
manu relate the game, you mean, like the off you know,
how to manipulate the game. He was very crafty bro,
and the be to score. And he also hit big
shot like he was always going to hit a big shot, bro.
But at the end of games he would just try

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to score even weird off balanced three points. He'll hit
up like were you were you.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Still on the Spurs that series where the Clippers finally
got out the first round, that was like a seven
game series.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Damn. He hit the floor, hit that float off the glass,
got to that right hand. I got there, he pushed
me off. He got that fucking float over. Timmy. There
was a white to his right was double high as
screen with DeAndre and Blake and I'm like trying to see.
So I got up there. He's fat. Some of the
you ain't gonna stop just going where they want to go.
You getting to the right, but he not that. I

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wasn't like he blew by me. I got back and
recovered in front of him, but he pushed off. He
got that push off and it kind of pushed me
into Timmy where Timmy couldn't really block a shot, and
he shot the float over Timmy. I don't know if
you could pull the clip up or not. But and
that was the great They were supposed to go to
the Western Conference finals as serious. Somebody got hurt the
next it was up three to one on he I
think it was Houston and they lost that series. The

(59:09):
following year, I think it was Houston. Yeah, it was
against Yeah, yeah, yeah, Game seven, fucking I think they
said that we gotta get a YouTube premium. He lost
the there was was it Houston? It was down there
was up three to one on and because Doc lost
the three one lead, it was I think it was Houston.
I don't Josh Smith and them. Yeah it was Josh

(59:31):
Smith and No.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I don't think anybody was hurt for that series. I
think somebody, I think either him or Blake got hurt
in the next round. Damn, that's a tough shot.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, bro, Jesus Blake almost fucking himself up.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
This was twenty fifteen year, right after y'all won the championship.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Right through one. It was a it was a two
verse seven. We had lost. The standings were so fucking
tight that we was a two seed. We lost our
last game of the season, dropping the seven. All the
teams was that close. Wow? Yeah. And then when this
should have been a Western Conference finals matchup and it
would be in the first round matchup. Wait a minute,

(01:00:10):
there was no screen. Then you said there was a
double screen. No, got be right. You supposed to You're
supposed to shield him to his left. I had the body,
I said, some of you ain't gonna stop going with
it going. You don't even try to stop him from
going right. You gave him the right. Look, I don't

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get him the right, it's crazy. Gave him you see what,
just go right? He going to the teeth of the
defense man. I may picked him up too high, but
I had that's what he didn't give him thinking he

(01:00:52):
called me up. I didnt think he's gonna go that
early one. But it's one second na four seconds when
he finished. A lot of guys, you go a little
bit later. You go at it. Yeah, you got.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
You right when you get it, you go to give
yourself an offensive rebound chance. Everybody knows that you go
at it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Got again. He's making it seem like I got blown by.
You got blown by. You got blow on the side
of the whole way. I got pushed into the paint.
I get blown by, get pushed into the paint. That
looked like that makes no sense. You just got what
are looking at right, definitily blown by. I see the
guy's jersey that's blown by by him right off? He

(01:01:39):
pushed off. Right, you get pushed off, you get blown by.
Created right here he got to his spot in the
whole way, so you put if you see the bottom angle,
you see it was all downhill. It was again yea,
And it was like, I was like, I know that

(01:02:01):
was they said that nah I talked to It might
have been like a couple of people. Bruce Bowe was
one of the guys. He's like, y me. I was like,
I know, I climbed up into him. But again CP
wasn't fucking slow. Certain niggas, you're just not gonna stop
them getting to their hand like so, and I was
quick enough at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
The thing is like like like you're five six inches
taller than so, Yeah, you're supposed to back off and
give him some spade. But they had us and you're
supposed to force one way. Absolutely that that was that
should have been what he did. So forced one way
and stay tall. If it's a pick, either fight over
it with Blake or y'all switching with Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So yeah, that's what. So what I was saying the
double screen, that's why they had me picking up so high,
so me get them that hot. I'm vulnerable in the
sense where this nigga could run anywhere. Yea. Even if
I to force him away, it's going to be a
straight line. Like so imagine trying to force CP left
like this CP is not effect this effect of going
left maybe not, but again that is going right. You
have to make him go left because he's still gonna
go right. You have to give him a straight line

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left and he could go that. It's still with his
right hand like like we was doing that where he
was he was forcing him left he was still going
straight down to pick and roll like and crossed like
he would still get back to his right with a
like a snake drib or something, but it would give
him such a ling. Was a hard guy to deal with.
It's not no fucking bump.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
You want no bum, said, He's the first ball I was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Able to like still recover something and try to use
like length. But Timmy was there. He he did a
tough shot and that was one of that. I was like,
fuck when I got was like damn, like if I
was going to get into my shut to him earlier, I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Tried to part of some devastated losses bro trying to
like I'm looking at a couple of the losses were
devastating like that, that's like stuff you can't get over.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
So all, my guest twenty thirteen was like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
All my games something except for one has been decided
by a game of the shot, so quiet. We won
one with quiet man, That's what I'm saying. You didn't
play in the part of both sides. Yeah, so I've
been a part and the other game seven we just
beat Dallas like only been a part of like maybe
for maybe more than I ever lost the playoff Game
one game everyone was decided by.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
It's heart break puzz Yeah, that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I don't know if I lost, we had a chance. No,
I don't know what we did after that. But game
at the Buzzer, Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, the game that
was Game six though with Miami. Yeah, you can't sleep.
You didn't sleep, So that game six is part We
actually played really good Game seven. I think some one
of them got.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
High Mike mill Game seven was in Miami, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
It was two three to that. But they changed in
the format after that series because they can play it.
Because we won game one, we stole one from them
and then went back to San Antonio for three. They
were like, no, the any to change this format. We
ended up going back to Miami. They ended up said
that was game six. But yeah, the game sevens Yeah,
that game was over.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
It's crazy. So we spent a lot of time speaking
on point guards and rankings and CP three and where
does he stack up? And I don't think there's any
doubt that CP three is absolutely in our minds album
when we think about the definition of a point guard,
like who classically fits that classic mold? But Rajon Rondo

(01:05:02):
went on all the Smoke recently and talked about the
death of the point guard position. Let's play the clip.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Patino said this, the point is totally done in basketball.
The days of John stopped at the long gone. There
are no more point guards. Do you think you can
win it without without someone who's really running the point?
The Thunder just did it, I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
But for me, I think it's the level of the
IQ of the team overall, and then a lot of
teams don't have the IQ of the Thunder organization or
like the Houston Rockets, you know, with u Doku, I
think it's I think it's primarily with him, how he's
allowing guys and how they're able to understand the extut
game plan because a lot of teams that I'm watching

(01:05:47):
to seeing what I'm doing, I'm watching the films like
they need a point guard. They need someone to you know,
run the show and off even like the game win.
I believe when the Thunder and Houston play, you know,
you need a point guard. Like a Kin touched the
ball so I know I'm in the game, and Kje
toesch the ball and eight possessions, like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
You need a point guard. So it's like a coach
can only do so much.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
You're managing so many different things, and a point guard
is the extension of the coach on the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
So it's like when you're not executing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
When you don't when you come down and run two
sets in a row and then the third time you
try to go away from it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
A point guard in the stands to win and where
it gets the ball? Yeah, fair points, man. I think
all of that stuff is still important. I think it's
very important. But like, who is to blame that is it?
I think you don't think they.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
I think nowadays driving the guys, if you're not scoring,
they're not exactly if you're gonna hold the ball as
much as a point guard has to in today's game,
you have to be a threat to score.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, Like, if you're going to have the ball that much,
you have to be a threat to score for sure.
So what is your threat to score? You don't have
to be an ICEOA guy. You don't have to be
a pick and roll guy. You can be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
It has to be something shoot the ball, yes, or
like a John Morint, like you're always a threat to
get into the to the paint, and you know, second
defender scram But I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Think they get looked at unless they're scoring. You know
what I'm saying. I don't think they get looked at
unless they're scoring like that, unless you're a combo. Well,
true point guard got to the finals this year last year,
well Rondo said, is not a true point guards a Scoreburton.
It's a true point guard.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
But Halliburton is a threat to score.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Not that, but he's like a passer he is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
But like I saw a clip the other day if
somebody was talking to Eric Snow and Eric Snow said
he didn't even try to take threes in the off seasons.
That just wasn't This guy had a long ass career.
He's like, no, I didn't even put three pointers up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I mean that was the game back then. It was
you know what I mean. It's just now you've got
to be able to shoot the three, but some you
have to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Pose a threat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, yeah, which question? What makes a true point gu
Do you agree? So?

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I think I did say, do you agree with?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Okay? Sorry? All right? One? Two? Three?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
So do you agree with Rondo and Rick Patino?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I do? I think it's a travisty. Honestly, I feel
like we need more of those guys recruited, Like, I
don't see a bunch of them. I think we you know, Carolina,
we had Elliott Kudou like he was a past first guy.
We had Kendall Marshall peer, but you just don't see
much of those anymore. Pitch ahead like fine guys set
the table. Again, those guys were considered non shooters, right,

(01:08:32):
they couldn't shoot. But if you had a guy like
that that could shoot, I think you could be very
valuable to a lot of groups in the league. But
again I'm not a gym. Who's to say is what
is that what they're looking for? Or are they looking
for somebody that can be a shay Or it can
be like we need a point guard that's like Luca
he has to score thirty forty two but also get assists.

(01:08:52):
We need a system guy, James Harden. He is the system.
I think there's you can have a world like we
could have both. Think it's the world we can have both.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
I mean, the point guard is don't exist no more.
Why you think on the All Star Baller it doesn't
say point guard, it says guard. Yeah, you know, it
says forward. It's just like the death of the center
is gone. Like there's no posting up, there's no past
first point guards. The game has changed though, that's just
what it is. I mean, we're seeing the game evolved.
The point guard as we know it is now the

(01:09:23):
shooting guard playing the point guard, you know what I'm saying.
And now the center is domn near like the plays
like the small forward, you know, And that's just the
way the game is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
So what makes a true point guard?

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
The true point guard? The red defined Steph is the
true point guard of this generation, a guy who can
get buckets because of this generation, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Of the old generation, what is this?

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
It was a past first player who got you to
the offense, who got you into the sads. But we
know offenses and offensive systems are pretty much not existing.
If you you pretty much go into a picker roll,
get the switch and everybody goes one on one, you know,
like there's no like, oh that system is like they're
running that the triangle or or the flex or you

(01:10:10):
know what I'm saying, or the down screen. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying, those systems.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
It's Tyri is the only true point guard left in
the league. He would it's like him and James Harden. Okay,
James got to put up a lot of shots. Yeah,
but he's he's more of a point guard. I'm trying
to think of like anybody. You know, we watch Phoenix
who's playing at Gillespie. Is he a pass first guy?
You think no, And he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
He's not the one that's orchestrating the offense. It's gonna
be Booker who's orchestrating it. We're not calling him the
point guard, but like they just decided that again, if
you're going to have the ball all the time, you
need to be a threat. And I think even in
the past, all of the best point guards with threats
to score.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
All of the top guys, whether that be Magic, whether that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Be stocked In, Isaiah J. Kidd, Gary Payton, all of
the best guys could score. Yeah, there's just no room
in the league for a guy to be like yo,
he's gonna run my offense, and the defense has to
pay him no respect in terms of being a threat
to shoot because he's just like yo, I need to

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I need to put the defense under pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
For sure, you know what I mean. Again, I'm trying
to think of the names. There's only people that come
to mind, says Tyres And said, I played with Tyas Jones.
He hasn't played much Like Sherman Douglas.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
He's not he's not playing in the league. He's not
playing in our league today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
You don't know. I don't even watch many games, c Bro.
He was he was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
He was with Rondo is describing, get you into the offense, organize,
shout it out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
He played with the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
But he just he wouldn't play. But like Dana.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Barrows, he would play today. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Like I think because even j Kid, who's known as
the you know, he's the ultimate past first point guard
when he was at his prime, he's killing you in
transition and even the half he's bigger than most of
the guys trying to guard him post and he's getting.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
To the rack. Threat just freaky. Rondo was so good, bro,
I mean, he was threat to score. Know Tom like
he was known as like a non shooting he still
could score. He could score.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Now, Ricky Rubio why his ship didn't work because he
couldn't score.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Ricky Rubio worked. Ricky Rubio worked. Rocky Rubio was very
good bro. He played a long time in the NBA.
He had a good career. He was solid. We need
more Ricky Rubio is in the league. He was the
third pick because he can score. Yeah, there's a lot
of guys that were high picks in the draft that
didn't do what Ricky Rubio did. That's fair. I thought,

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you know, he had good years in Phoenix, Minnesota. Like
he had team. He elevated teams to play with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I think people expected a lot more from I think
so to like his hip coming in what he played.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
His coming was Spanish next fifteen years old expected he
was like a look of figure in his day. Yeah,
in terms of like yeah, row and nobody score though,
they was gonna one of the best. I didn't know
what he was, but I heard the name everybody. Yeah,
he had a crazy buzz. He had a crazy buzz

(01:13:32):
and the reason he did every lottery lottery pick at
the time special buzz. Danny had a different buzz. But
at the time social media wasn't as big back then, right,
So anybody that was somebody was buzzed way more than
what they are today. Maybe, So any lot of your pick,
you think about it, fucking Johnny Flynn like guys that
were in that even Brendan Jennings. All those guys, they

(01:13:54):
were in my draft. So I remember these motherfuckers. They're
all in my draft. Yeah, they all had a buzz,
not like Ruby, Ruby is different he was. They all
had Rubio. He heard all these names.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
You're saying his name when he was like fifteen years old,
which was unheard of.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Ricky Rubo Buzz was a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Two thousand and eight, he was on that Spain team
starting that almost beat the Redeemed team.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Like they was looking like they he was looking like
a child prodgy. Yeah for real. They played and then
he just came in and I've had a lot of buzz.
He was a second round pick and he's still killed
in the summertime Patty Mills had I'm saying some drinks buzz.

(01:14:46):
They thought he was one of those guys he killed
in the summertime bus when you were a child, not
Ricky Rubio Buzz saying when you were a child playing
against grown men, that's not normal. He was like, no team,
starting on that team. A lot of those kids at
the fifteen no, not not not, like where do you
get like playing the fifteen years energy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Though, like they like Luca and Rubyo bro Luca went
and we had a lot of buzz of the of
the Euro.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
But they still had buzz that's never happened before.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Like like Luca was the he was Ricky Rubio afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Yeah, Ricky had a good career, got a good lived
that I don't know what kind of hot I didn't have.
I feel like his expectation was to be a passing
good point guard. He lived up. They picked him over
Steph Curry. Yeah, a lot of people picked over step
that's crazy. Not point guards. There was a point guards.

(01:15:46):
Johnny Film was drafted. Guys drafted in front Steph Curry
that guards. Minnesota took three of them. That was bad.
That was bad. It happens. That was a mistake. A
lot of hing to be was our second round pick,
our second pick into the draft. That's damn what I'm saying, Like, no, no,
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
My overall point again is like the guys that end
up not living up to what you think they should be.
Who are point guards of note? Of guys who can't score?
And the league is just like why would I play
a guy who's not a threat, whether that be as
a spot up spacer or a threat with the actual ball,
just because he can organize an offense. They just they've

(01:16:28):
just gone completely away from that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I thought Ricky was valuable. Bro. Maybe I'm tripping.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Ricky Rubio might be your Draymond Green.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
He signed different. I can't even tell you where Ricky
Rubyo was at his best. What team he played with,
minnesot Minnesota stint, Yeah, Minnesota he had was that his
best play? Sign a couple of contracts, Like, he signed
a couple of contracts. Get it play and I'm not

(01:16:58):
talking like minimum controls.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Rick Ruby was never considered one of the top five
or ten point guards.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
In the league.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
His last real season was that last Wolf stint where
he played sixty eight games. That was twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
He peaked at thirteen and eight for the Science one
year and they got rid of them. Like, what's going
on here? Where did he? Where did he peak? He's
never been a scoring guy. What I'm saying, I say
thirteen and eight. He got eight assists. He was a

(01:17:39):
good role player, saw a lot of years of eight
and nine assists. Could play man, but it was solid role.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I think people were rightly disappointed, and I think based.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
On his best years because he played he came in
nine six more years.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
What they saying on Basketball Reference.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Y.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yah, we got what is he just retired two years ago?
All the way too far, bro, he played a long time, yeah,
eleven years?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeh. Shots the Ricky Rubio man, I feel like he's
he's a real true point guard to me, a true
point He could shoot obviously been a lot better. It
would have worked out, But I feel like teams need
more of that than fucking trying to find. You rather
have a Ricky Rubio than a Colin Sexton. Yes, I

(01:18:38):
think the NBA is like Nah, Colins maybe around a
lot bro, No, he has and teams have been like,
I think Ricky brings more to a winning than what
Colin Like Colin. You put Colin in the same category
as like a Jordan Clarkson. He's the score, the scoring

(01:18:59):
gagger guard. But they just go to school. What I'm saying,
scorelea like the scores.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
It's just more of those guys than Rubios and Eric snow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
They want to see more scoring, but I said, I
think it's more if you want to win I think
it's more valuable half, Like he's not this error. He
can't play Rubio. He would have to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
He certainly would have had to immediately got his jumper
to like thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
The teams to have guys that don't shoot that well,
they don't play. He played around some shooters. You put
Ricky on the team full the shooters. He could play no,
because even he hated going to the basket, Josh trying
to score. Josh Getty is a six eight modern day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
And Giddy's already making his threes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Any six just started making tough again. He's a six
eighth version of Ricky.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
But that's different, like when you got size and you
candle it. That makes you a way different type of threat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
A six seven shooters, A six.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Two shooter, Yeah, I mean non six two non shooter
and six this is not the same the guys that.
It's just you just can do more stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
One guy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I'm just saying, even my guy, best to tell fit
they got him back in the damn projects. His career
didn't work out because he couldn't shoot, and he had
all the fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Handle fast Ruby talent wise, like probably his career that
rick had talent wise, he was better.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Yeah, but he couldn't shoot and that he had that's why. Yeah,
he had that to like. That was more so they
had gun charge all stupid. But he might have had
a longer career. He's back in the project because he
just didn't make good decisions with with the bread. But yeah,
good confo, bro, great convo.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
This was amazing. That's our show for today.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
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