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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Manny Noah, and this is no such thing. The
show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours by
actually doing the research. Today's episode is a mailbag episode.
We're gonna be talking about dishwasher etiquette, we're gonna be
talking about right wing conspiracy theories, and we're gonna be
answering a question about how exactly the three of us met. No,
(00:24):
there's no no such thing. No touch, thank no touch,
thank touch, thank you, no touch.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Our first question is from a listener named Kimberly. I'll
read it now, Dear Many, Noah and Devin. Years ago,
when my husband and I of nearly twenty five years
were in couples therapy, we often discussed our dislike of
how each other loads the dishwasher. Apparently this argument often
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comes up in couple's therapy. We have yet to come
up with an agreed upon solution. I have had twenty
seven roommates in my lifetime and that argument came up
multiple times. In fact, one roommate left because of the disagreement.
Thanks and keep up the good work on your show.
So essentially this this person wants us to find out
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the real proper way to load a dishwasher, and I
did a little bit of digging. But before we get
into that, I'm just curious, like, has dishwashing etiquette ever
played a role in your guys's lives and your relationships?
Has it ever been a source of tension?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I want to say tension, but me and my fiance
are right at odds.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, do just I have my style and she and
what are the two styles?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's basically up or down for the utensils is oh
is I think the biggest contention because most of it
here's my process. Most of it's pretty obvious. Mugs, cups
are going to go on the top, they're going down obviously,
so it's not filling with the water.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Plates.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Everything else is going in the plate section. So I
think our the only area we're really different is should
forks and spoons and knives be pointing up or pointing
down when you're a team up.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm team up for you know, sharp knives, I'll put those.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Down for safety, I'm going to hurt myself. But spoons,
everything else I want up. And here's why, partly because well,
what's nice is hopefully there's a little kind of grid
section where there's a little separation bringing them all in.
What I worry about when we're putting spoons down in
the larger areas is the spoons especially are gonna you know,
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I'm holding this is a podcast, but I'm holding up
my hands. They're going to spoon together. So yeah, it
might not get cleaned clean. And we use a lot
of spoons in my house because we're cooking this dog food.
We go through mainly spoons. So if we're putting those
head down, I'll say I'm not trust not really, because
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they'll and not to mention the water pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Up and down.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Who knows what's going on with this building. It might
there might not be any water touching these things, So yeah,
put them up that way. It's getting sprayed, it's getting
rubbed down. These are being cleaned and there's no all
the food's getting off there and trickling down Versus here's
another thing. The thing's down. Even if the water is
getting in there and it's getting cleaned, the food might
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get you know, sometimes there's bigger pieces of food or something.
It might be stuck down there. So then when I'm unloading,
if there's extra food, it's gonna be on the top
of the spoon and not if there is detritus or something,
maybe just a little bit on the very bottom, not
such a big issue you maybe, yeah, do a quick
little rints off, wipe it off, whatever, depending on what
it is. It's on the end of the fork or
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the spoon. Now it's like, I need to watch this run.
I need to really run this.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, what are Julia's pros for putting it down?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I think it's just that's how her family did it. So, yeah,
my brother and his wife had the same issue.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So the thing like, yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So, and I'll say both of both me and my
brother have won the battles.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, so she does it your way. They've conceded.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Wow, I thought the fight was everybody's just doing it
doing it.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, I mean, now she does it my way, so
we don't have We've avoided couples therapy because of this.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I talk about dumb stuff of my therapist all the time.
So I understand you.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Got a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, sometimes I'm like, why am I paying this about this.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Scrape in the bottom of the barrel? What else?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
What else.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I can share that in my households, we're not really
at odds because we do like it'll be someone's duty
to do the dishwasher, so like we were not doing
it at the same time, so it's not you know,
we don't run into any issues.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
But the loading though, like one person loads it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, so like if if if I cooked dinner, Mia
will load the dishwasher. But okay, but there certainly has
been a few instances where we both did it at
the same time. And clearly, you know, mea my beautiful,
smart wife who never does anything wrong, who I would
die for, she will like she loads the dishwasher in
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a way that's very orderly, very like tetris. How can
we get the most things in there, which is fine.
I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It does take it through before she's doing it, she's almost.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
There's a strategy. Yeah, and I see, and I think
it's beautiful because when she does it, I'm not doing
it and I don't care do what however you want.
When I do it, it's more like it's like freestyling.
Like it doesn't take me nearly as much time because
I'm just making sure everything is throw it. I space
things out, but like you know, it's obvious organized big
things on the bottom, smaller things on the top. I
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do go forks up forks and spoons up, and I've
never I've never thought about it, really. I just kind
of imagine that the jets or whatever are.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Hit the spoon.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But Devin, you don't have a dishwasher.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I've been in my place.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Out here washing the dishes manually.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That's why he's in such great shape.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It is. I think about this all the time, the
amount of time I spend washing dishes every single day.
It is nasty. It's nasty, but it's just and it's
just me. I'm like, how do I have so many dishes?
Every day? You finished washing them and then you got
to wash them again. Yeah, So I haven't had a
dish washer almost the entire time I've been in New York.
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I've been in New York ten years. I did have
a dishwasher for the first year I was here. I
don't remember any arguments about how we were loading it
unloading it. And then growing up, we never used a dishwasher. Really,
we always had a dishwasher, but like, I don't know
if they didn't work, I don't know why, but they.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Were just easier to just I think it's very common
to have a dishwasher.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
We use it. Well, we asked you. This my only
thing that I do hear people arguing about. And in
terms of dishwashers, just how much you need to clean
your dishes before you put them in there?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, what is I'm you know, big pieces.
Obviously I'll take off, but I bload them up in
there pretty dirty.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, and it comes out pretty clean for the most part.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You might get every once in a while, I might
get like a little thing you have to do again, But.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I try to. I try to basically do a
just a very brief rint, swash it down anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Usually it's like one pass like yeah, yeah, but like
I'm not you know, do a quick scrape if you know,
there's certain foods that are going to stay more so
I try to do my best with that. Yes, yeah,
but I don't go crazy because it's like I basically
run the dishwasher every day, so it's like it's not
a huge deal of something stuck and then I just
need to do another to pass at it. Or then
it's like I'll take it out and now I'll just
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scrub it like.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, And it does depend on how how quickly after
eating you put it.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
In the wash.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
If it's sitting in the sink for a while, the
things are crushed up, and then that actually does not
work in a dishwasher. So let's talk about how to
properly load them. My guess is like anytime anyone's arguing
about how to load the dishwasher, they probably largely agree
like eighty five to ninety percent about what they're doing
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in there. There's these little margins that that take people off.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
There's not that many options.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, it's like there's only so many things you can
do in the dishwasher. But when I was digging up
some research on this, I found this guy, Andrew Laughlin.
He's an English journal list. He's a tech writer who's
now kind of I think leaned into I would say,
calling himself a dishwasher expert. Came out with an article
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recently about how to properly load a dishwasher. I will
say this is like from a tech expert point of view,
I think after we read his perspective, I think we
should also look at like does Maytag or Whirlpool or
one of these companies have actual, real instructions on their website.
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So let's start with Andy. I'm just gonna go through
his list. He's got kind of a list of things
in this article for which, okay, scrape the plates, but
there's no need to rinse them. Knocking off lumps of
leftover food before loading the dishwasher will give it the
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best chance of getting everything clean, but most dishwashers will
pre rinse your dishes anyway. You don't need to run
them under the tap. It's a waste of water. Number two,
Now here's what I learned when I was looking up.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I didn't know this.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Uh, the dirty side of every item should face the
center of the dishwasher.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Oh so when.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You're looking let's say you're in front of your dishwasher
and you're looking down on it. You want to put
a bowl on the right side of the dishwasher, it
should be facing the left, like all the items should
be facing the center.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That makes it, I mean, yeah, I mean the way
my the rack is set up is yeah, incentivizes that.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, which is I only noticed that after I read this.
I was like, oh, yeah, of course they're slanted in
a way that It's like I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I just kind of dirty faces needs to face the center.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, the water is coming in. Oh yeah, because the
water is shooting from a thing in the center. Yeah right, yeah,
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Number three is and this is another thing I do wrong.
Don't overload the dishwasher. Yeah, leave a lot of space
between dishes and cutlery for the water and detergent is
spread around. I'm I'm a I I just stacked as much.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
How often do you run?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
We're going once a day, at least at least at
least yeah minimum, Yeah, sometimes twice a day. It's exactly
like my shower routine. At least once my plate's getting washed.
Another one, cups and glasses up top that one. I
think no one's really arguing about that one. I think Okay.
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Number eleven, here's the key one. It's called the key
to loading cutlery. The reason your utensils don't always get
clean could be because like for like items are sitting
too close to each other, meaning there's no space for
the washpoon. That's what Noah was saying about the spoons
that are that spooning. This issue known as nesting, can
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happen when spoons lean into each other. To solve this place,
some upright and some downwards. I wasn't expecting. I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
It makes sense if we're if it's a kind of
loose area you're putting them into.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
If you have a nice one that's gritted, so it's
separating each one, it's not conn because they're never going
to say they're just they're not touching. So I'll accept that.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, because I can see the I have like one
utensils kind of compartment, but half of it is gritted,
and yeah that's half. Yeah, free for all, So that's interesting.
The exception to this rule is knives. It's safer to
just put them pointing side down. It's like I wrote this. Yeah,
now here's a couple of other things you mentioned in
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the articles. Can you add items to the dishwasher after.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
It's started, just leave it alone?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Did it just start once I press start, I'm like,
it's over that things locked into If.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's if it's if you just hit it, I think
you could stop it.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, basically if it's an hour and just
let it go, yeah, because then it's really hot in there.
I don't know if you guys have.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and it's like yeah, just wait okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
There are times when I don't even realize it's still going,
and you know, there's just something and it's like, oh,
I open it up in.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I can't even like put in there. It's burning. Yeah,
He says most most dishwashers tend to run a pre
wash stage first, which is equivalent to us just running
it under the faucet. Totally fine to open the dishwasher
at that stage.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
After ten minutes or so, probably in there, yeah, not
even at least after ten minutes or so, better to
just let it finish it. So that was our dishwasher expert.
Uh Andrew Lachlan. Now here's the thing. I've seen some
of the some of his videos on TikTok. They're very viral,
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millions of views on these things, but a lot of
engineers and plumbers and other tech experts will be in
the comments saying, actually, what you're saying is wrong. So
I think it's still ends up being a matter of
preference for the most part. But I thought it would
be a good idea to go to like the actual
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website of a dishwasher manufacturer and see what they say
and see how closely. It aligns with what Andrew says.
All right, who we got We're gonna go with Maytag.
All right, so here's the Maytag website. They've got their
own article up called how to load a dishwasher the
right way. Step four. Load utensils into the utensil basket. Forks, knives,
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and spoons should be placed in the utensil basket. Loads
spoons and forks with their handles facing down so the
utensils can get a proper clean. So I think they
mean the functional parts facing up.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, so that's a that's.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
A no dub noh innocent. Sharp knives should be loaded
with the blades down to protect their hands while unloading
the dishwasher.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They need to put that before someone them.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Someone's definitely done that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Put their hands all knives, goddamn me.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And then here's some tips. Place larger items in the
back of the rack near the wall of the tub.
Fill gaps with smaller dishes. Use the utensil basket to
space out all your utensils and other small items like
reusable straws. Avoid putting plastic items on the bottom rack,
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as this rack is closest to the appliance's heating elements.
Oh so tupperwars, I just want to go on the
upper rack, I guess because they're not as affected by
the heat.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Leave some room. This is this all kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
A lot of insightful stuff in there. So I hope
our listener learned something. I hope one of the answers
in there lets you own your husband.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, and good luck with your marriage.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's a long time.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Clearly wasn't that big of an issue.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
No, they're working, hope not.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Our next mail bag question was emailed to us by
manted Pouts. There have been several stories that circulated over
kitty litter being in liberal school district classrooms because some
kids identified as cats. I have friends whom I cannot
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convince that this is a false story. I've offered them
one thousand dollars if they could show me a school
board meeting where it was even seriously addressed in the
minutes of the meeting. No such thing. What do you think? Yeah,
I remember, I think we were both working at NBC
when this fiasco happened, and it is essentially what I
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can remember is that like a bunch of like right
wing pundits and politicians were like, well, look at this,
it's so crazy. Even kids are identifying as cats, and
that's why they wanted kitty litter in class.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
My friend his wife is a school teacher and she
works at a school that had to install a litter
box in the girl's room because there is a girl
who's a furry who identifies as an animal.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I think a big part of this story was like,
this is around obviously a lot of conversation in regards
to trans rights, and people were saying, Okay, if you
let children pick their pronouns, then what next are going
to be identifying as trees and other things? And then
then they were like, oh, now there are children identifying
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as cats, and this is all because we let trans
people have right slip.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, exactly, the story time or whatever. Yes, yeah, the
drag crag.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Exactly. If you let trans people exist, your kids will
eventually be cats.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
My main memory of this actually is at our former
colleague Ben Collins wrote a story about this. He at
the time was debunking a lot of like right wing conspiracies,
and so I actually just called Ben to have him
explain this one to me.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Okay, manny in company. Hello, it is good to hear
from you. I don't know why I'm hearing from you
for this reason, because it's the worst fucking reason. But
here it is litter boxes in schools. So in twenty
twenty one, there was a person who started a rumor
in the Prince Edward Island Public School Facebook group saying
that litter boxes have been placed in schools to make
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it so furries have a safe place to go to school.
This was bullshit, didn't exist, they said. The kids identified
as cats, but it obviously struck a nerve with transphobes
and pieces of shit who are trying to conflates furries,
trans people, any gender nonconforming thing. Up in New England,
they had litter boxes.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
The accommodations for this child who identifies as a cat.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
In this if you don't know what furries are, it's
were school children dress up as animals, cats or dogs
during the school day.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
There was never in Prince Edward Island or otherwise any
litter box in that school. So the issue is this
took off like wildfire on Facebook because of the algorithm.
A couple months later, a lady in Midland, Michigan, went
to her public school board meeting and said there were
kids identifying as cats and they were peeing in litterboxes and.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
School and stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
That wasn't true either. Then it really took off because
people like Lauren Bobert and a bunch of other congressional
candidates in twenty different places in the United States. By
the time we reported the story in NBC newsers me
and my colleague Tyler and Kaid Brandy's Drows and he Bengogian.
We called every single school district that was alleged by
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GOP congress people or candidates to have litter boxes in schools,
and zero of them obviously had litter boxes except for one.
In that one place where there was litter cat litter
in a bucket. It was in a thing called a
go buckets and it was in Colorado, and it was
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the Jefferson County School District, And the Jefferson County School
District is the home of Columbine. And those those go
buckets were used in the event of an incredibly long
school shut down or kids had to stay locked down
in their classrooms because of a school shooting or something similar.
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So this is how evil this is in in cities,
this is this trans panic that existed that targeted, you know,
all these kids with this bullshit rumor from scared adults,
spawned of the very problem that is the heart of
the American sickness, which is basically Columbine necessitated go buckets.
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Go buckets had cat litter in them, and then from
there it's fonnded this ridiculous moral panic about kids acting
different in any way anyways. It's evil. It's one of
the worst stories ever worked out in my life. And
I hope you have a great day, have a good
day everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
By the KIDDI litter thing was always bullshit. I didn't
know about the Columbine aspect of it, that there was
actually litter there, you know, for a very practical and
tragic reason, and that it was kind of repurpose to essentially,
you know, mitigate any progress with the social acceptance of
trans people. The worst aspect of these kind of stories
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is that when you when you know, the guy who
emailed us, he's going to go to his friends and
prove that it was bullshit. And the worst fucking thing
the friends are going to say is, well, isn't it
crazy that it could be? Isn't it crazy? That the
left has gone so nuts. Unfortunately, dear listener, there is
no satisfying your friends.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, it's the classic case of Springfield eating the pets things,
where you just one after one doesn't matter. It's like
the person who says the thing never has to actually
prove that it's happening. You just have to disprove that
it's happening by finding countless of examples of it not happening.
You know. It's like the burden of proof is always
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on the person with the common sense. All right, well
we got up next. We got an email from Cynthia
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reading versus listening to news. So Cynthia says, does watching
news or listening to podcasts count as reading the news
and newspapers?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So this obviously is a throwback to episode one of
No such Thing, which everyone should.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Listen to the pilot.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, pilot episode which is about the audiobooks count is reading.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
My news consumption is primarily drew audio, even when I
was working at a news organization. It's just because it's like,
you know, especially I listened to most of the news
in the morning when I'm getting ready for work walking
the dog. Right, It's like I'm listening to news so
I can get caught up right, like it's not for me, like, oh,
let me sit down and like open up the newspapers
like a fun part of my day. It's like I
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need to know what's happening in the world, and I
think so. And I also think public radio and a
lot of these you know, in these nprs, local radio
does some of the best reporting about things in the
New York City area. So it is also just like,
you know, if I had the option to read something,
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I don't think I would get as good of information
as I do from some of the public Yeah, exactly,
shut out Brian Lair. All right.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I guess like the big the big picture news like
a bombing happened in this city, like that, the vehicle
of that information has completely shifted to audio or TV.
When I read the New York Times or any other outlet,
it's some kind of analysis versus like, here's what happened.
So it's an interesting question, what have you learned about it? Noah.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So, someone who did research on this wrote an article
in The Wall Street Journal a couple months ago summing.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Up what they found.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
The main kind of top line stuff is that you
don't get as much detail when you're just listening, and
you get a kind of worse or more negative perception
of the news when you're listening versus reading, I think
because you're not picking up as much detail, so you
just have a I believe it's called negativity bias, so
you hear anything bad and you'll just focus in on that.
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If you're asked then like to kind of list your
main takeaways, it'll be on the negative things. I think
the example they did in the research was, I think
she's a professor of marketing, so it was more on
the kind of consumer product side, But it was basically
like people were given an article about a shampoo, and
the people who read it came away with a more
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even sort of sense of it versus the people who
listened only kind of noticed about maybe a you know,
a possibly bad item in it or ingredient or something,
and the negative effects that would have and none of
the positive that this product would have on your hair
or whatever, which which I think makes sense, like if
you're listening, I mean, I think it just goes back
to kind of the classic like why all the news
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is seems so negative and if it bleeds, it leads
sort of thing where it's, yeah, it's just more interesting
to hear about bad things then yeah, like oh, it's
a nice day out, everyone's happy. Like there's not much
to say there, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's the stuff that's going to get emphasized, especially in
these like smaller slots on radio where you know, that's
the thing. I listened to a lot of radio, so
like I get a lot of news from it, but
you can a lot of people will be like, oh,
I just listened to like a ten minute recap, you know,
to do those sort of things, and that will be
all the information they have in that story. And sure,
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those are like fifteen seconds slots where they're trying to
give you what you need to know. So you're going
to remember the negative thing because that's going to be
the thing that emphasize. They're not going to say, oh, yeah,
and the shampoo does a whole bunch of great things.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's basically you're getting the headline versus the body and
the details that might have a little more context exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I wonder like if someone listening to something, you know,
like the Daily, which is like more in depth on
one topic, would have that same.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I see away yeah, my son should probably be less
of a but I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure. I think
overall probably yeah, similar to just the audiobooks reading thing
as far as what you retain, but I would assume
where it's longer form and more in depth, you're gonna
get a little bit more of the nuance than like
a five minute news piece you're listening versus reading.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, it's just from Jessica. I have a super important
question in a traffic situation involving a school bus with
the stop sign out of course, an ambulance with flashing lights,
and a funeral procession. Who has the right away? So
(27:17):
we got a school bus, yeah, yes, with the stop
sign out. Yeah, an ambulance with flashing lights in a
funeral procession. All right, So I'll go for the.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Ambulance yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of easy.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Ambulance number one.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, watch out for the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Number two Yeah, yeah, I said the school if we're
putting them in order of yeah, okay, ambulance, school bus,
the funeral. Sorry, the person's dead already.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I didn't want to say it, but yeah, it's like, yeah,
that's more of a courtesy thing to exactly, that's not
law the stop you know, in an ambulance driving, it
doesn't mean they can they can just run over people.
It's like obviously they're not going to smash into things
for people. Yeah, but yeah, that's that's the most pressing
issue clearly.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah. So but here's another angle to this.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
All right.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I agree that like, let's hear. I agree that, like
the the most urgent, like who's who's who needs to
be saved right now? That should be the person who
gets to go. Yeah, but I'm curious about whether there's
like a legal aspect to this, Like if the bus
is parked and the stop sign is out, going through
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the stop sign is like, isn't that like a felony
or something like.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Not to hear an ambulance with the lights on.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I know, but that's what the legal question is.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But it's not a private and it's like police are
like you you're allowed to do it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, police drive through lights all the time. All right.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
What if the ambulance drives to the stop sign and hits.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
A kid, Well, this city will probably get sued.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
That doesn't mean it's illegal.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
We're not talking about hitting a kid.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
I know, I'm right, now, yeah, I stop sign illegally
illegal to hit kids in all cases, it was the
funeral procession that ran me over.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
No, but then you could the ambulance driver wouldn't be
uh prosecute. I don't think, well the.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Prosecuted in either situation to be on if they hit
a kid.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, if they were, unless they the sirens, unless they're
a negligent.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, that's yeah, That's what.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm curious, like, Yeah, what is the if there's like
any kind of illegal thing to it, where there is
actually a right answer.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't think the right answer is always emergency vehicles.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Get the right I feel like there's yeah, a school.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Bus is not getting a right away over emergency vehicle.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Should they close the stop signs they see the.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Driver let any kids off the bus at that point
Mitchell Holdan closed the door.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean he's getting spitballs shot.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I'll look into this to check if there is some
sort of real proper answer. But yeah, I mean I
believe she says that this happened to.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Her, Yes, so that the Jesus asked this. There has
been a pressing question in her life since her aunt
passed fifteen years ago. Sorry about that. Uh, and they
encounter this while driving to the cemetery.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So they were in the procession. Yeah, unfortunately, I you know,
rest in peace to your loved one. But that was
the easiest one on the bottom of the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's school bus an emergency vehicle here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I mean I feel like no one, even the funeral
director couldn't argue that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah. So I mean, well, we'll call up a police
I'll look it. Yeah, I'll call down. Really, no, thanks,
we should we should be like, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Who would they arrest first? Yeah, because the cop is
gonna arrest all of everyone. Yeah, the kids kids first,
they're getting drags to Alligator Alcatraz.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
It's from Fountain Valley dot gov. California. Emergency vehicles with
active lights andro sirens have the right of way and
drivers must yield to them. The California Your Vehicle Code
state you must yield the right of way to any
police vehicle, fire engine, ambulance or other emergency vehicle using
a siren in red lights.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So that means the bus. The school bus driver closes
the stop sign, waits for the sirens to go by, then,
to be honest, he puts the stop sign back out.
The funeral people have to wait until the kids get
on the bus. Yes, yeah, the bus drives off. Funeral
procession may proceed.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, that may.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean that's that seems fair to me.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, it seems fair to me too.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Allow it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I'm not going to change this.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
One, all right. So then we have one last question
from Catherine. Can men and women really be friends? This
is uh this when Harry met Sally?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I assume she means can men and women be friends
without one person helping? Feelings?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
No romance? Yeah, maybe the wrong group of guys that
asked this.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
We're too we're too soy boy liberals.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
We all have friends who are women.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I don't see gender who are not romantically.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, this seems like a pretty easy yes. I think
it's I have.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Many friendships that are with the opposite gender that are
extremely platonic.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yes, extremely. This is always such a this has been Like,
I think it's a valid question. I know people debate
all the time. To me, it's just like so bizarre
because it just assumes that men and women always want
to have sex with one another, no matter what they
look like.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yes, you know, like like there's not Yeah, there's nothing
guiding any attractions.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
It's just like, yes, you're a woman, I'm gonna, you know,
try to have sex with you at some point. And
just like there are certain like you're attracted to some people,
you're not attracted to some people.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, well there.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And there's there's there are people that I'm friends with
who I would say are attractive. Yes, that I'm I know,
and and maybe because we're we are friends, it's like
I would never want to be with you, yes, like yeah,
you're actually you look great, you have great qualities, but
not for me. This would not work, Like I'm not
going to work for you. Yes, you're not going to
Like that's it. And that's to be proof in my
(33:29):
life where it's like, yeah, this case closed.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
But what if the question isn't can can they be
platonic friends? What if the question is can two people
of you know who are attracted to each other be
platonic friends without ever thinking about it, without ever having
the thought here and there.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Without having the thought, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I think this is maybe what she's asking. Like then
if you're if you're thinking about it, it kind of
changes the foundation of the relationship.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Maybe I think you still can't I mean life is
not a rom com yet there, you know, there're yeah,
I think all of us were friends with people who
eventually ended up being our partners at some point, but
that's not every single person of the opposite sex.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And even vice versa. You can be friendly with someone
you're with, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, And there is like
to the extent where it's like you don't even it's
not even like, oh, it's like my ex that I
get coffee with and we catch up, but it'll be
like maybe something happened, and then it's like, oh, yeah,
we did do that.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah I used to.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Care about it, and it's like yeah, it's it's like
not even an afterthought. It's like it's hard to even
imagine that happened.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I think there is. I think there is a version
of a man that you know, we don't really surround
ourselves with, who would say that it's not possible for
men to be friends with women. And I think there
is a there. There is, I guess, a version of
a man that, like any person of the opposite sex,
they would try it on the table, Yeah, a romantic
relationship or sex with or something to that degree.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, like they would yes, like yeah, it does what
they would.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, that's but I don't know,
it's just so bizarre to me. I'm just like, yeah, dude,
like we're not just like animals, and you know, it's
like people have personalities, like they're like, do you want
to have sex with every single woman you see? It's
just like that's crazy to me. Yes, it was a
(35:24):
low way.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Oh yeah, young money.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
And then the last question, also from Catherine, can you
please share your friendship story? Inquiring minds want to know.
It's funny. I feel like I've talked about how I
know you two more than I've talked about how I
know anyone in mine. God damn life. I've never had
to explain how I know someone as much as I.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
You know, but we're going to point to this time code.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, we have to do it a lot, but I
don't think it's all on wax, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
No, we've said it individually. Two people especially like, oh
what is the podcast? Oh how do you know each other?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Long story shorts? Somebody too long? Didn't read well?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You always tell the story, nuanced you you shorthanded a
little bit. Me and no one knew each other first that's.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
A good point. You guys didn't exist until I met you.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
So yeah, until we were put into your world, your sandbox.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Me and uh went to college together. I wouldn't say
we were really friends in college, but.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
We knew we had some classes.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, we had some mutual friends.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Have you ever did you ever think I'd hang out
with that guy?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, but not like it wasn't like let me
text Devin.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
No, Like I didn't have his number. No I did.
So this is this is really you know, for the
real heads here, some real lure. I was interning at
some shirt company making like social videos before that was
kind of even really a thing. So they like gave
me some shirts and we're like, you know, film some
people wearing them. And I was like, okay, who do
(37:06):
I know who can fit this shirt? Because the shirt
they gave me was kind of a small shirt and.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It was like a like a kind of like the
shirts made for people who are short.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yes, like I don't know that, Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Well, the idea was a button down shirt long sley.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, like it was.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
The idea was like yeah, basically yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It was a button that you didn't have to talk
in a more cou button down. So I was like, well, Noah,
I feel like proportion size makes more sense. Could could
wear it is So, I don't know how I reached
out to you.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
That was the only time we ever that I can
think of that we actually hung out one on one like,
one on one like.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So this is like a photo shoot video.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Actually I made him come to my I had an
apartment right across from the cathedral. Wow. So we went
to the roof and I made him. It was maybe
ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, just like, walk, smile, look at
the camera.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
We need to pull it, we need to find the Yeah,
I have a video next.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
The next email is going to be like, can two
guys be for friends platonically if they invite each other
over for a little.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So, Yeah, me and Nolan knew of each other after college.
I work at the Business Insider and then our friend
Max Yeah applies. I say, I know that guy. He
starts working there, and then he told me that you
were moving to the city. You guys were living together.
(38:27):
He said you were going to apply and I said, yeah,
I know him. I can't vouch for him.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
I know this guy.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It seems like a normal guy.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, and then he started working there, did you?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
But many started Yeah, he started a few months before me.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, I was October twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Ye didn't.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I didn't know anyone there.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I do remember going through your resume. I interviewed completely impressed.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
You're blown away by how how I was like the
floor director of like a local news station.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
All the guys would What.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I remember from the interview is that it was me
and another person doing the interview, and we asked you like, Okay,
if you were to do a story on the news
thing today, what would it be? And it could I
could tell you consumed news, which I was like, yeah,
that's that's the bar right now. It's like someone who
knows what's happening.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Who's the president right now?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah. So yeah, then we were all three of us
are working together making primarily news videos, quick turn videos.
So we had a pretty like tight knit group. We
were pretty closer together. And what I remember specifically is
that lunches. We ate a lot of a lot of
lunches together. And then you know, we were using this
(39:38):
program program it's thing called slack messaging, this messaging thing,
and so we would have one for our team, and
then I remember we kind of made our own.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, we had to split off. We split off to
really talk about real guys exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know, like did you listen to the new Cardi
B album? Yeah? So we you know, we started to
say like, oh, we have similar interests, we were in
a similar movies. Yeah, And it's just you know, the
classic sort of thing like you think about it with
like college, where you're like, all right, you're in a
bigger group and then you're like, oh, these guys, yeah,
I have things in interest with them, and then it
(40:15):
sort of and then we talked.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
We would talk about the talk doing a podcast, yeah,
And that's really I think that the kind of foundation
of this podcast because we would always be like, you
know what, we after thirty minutes of arguing, we'd be like,
as a as a bit, yes, you know what, guys,
let's save it for the pod. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
That's how we became friends and made this podcast.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And stop fucking asking.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about that chapter of my
life anymore.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
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Speaker 3 (41:29):
As such things