August 1, 2023 • 49 mins
This episode features Norah’s longtime friend, the prolific singer-songwriter, M. Ward. Though Matt and Norah have traveled the world together over the past 2 decades, she still had a lot to learn about this illustrious musician with an alluring, honeyed voice. Listen in for duets on Matt’s newest music, as well as a couple of his most treasured songs over the years. Recorded 5/3/23.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with
m Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing alone
with you.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am Nora. Welcome to the show with me, as
always is Sarah Oda. Hello, Hi, Hi. This was a
fun one, very fun.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
But before we get into it, we just want to
say thank you to our listeners and we hope you
like what you're hearing and have been introduced to artists
that you maybe didn't know, or learn something new about
an artist that you do know.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, and if you do like it, please like and subscribe,
like us, Please like us.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Okay, our guest today. He's the great singer, songwriter, guitar.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Player m Ward, or as you would call him, I
call him Matt. I've known him forever. We used to
tour together. I think on my second or third record
we did a whole long tour, so we got some history.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah, you been everywhere with him. He's put out several
albums over the past twenty plus years, both as a
solo artist but also as half of She and Him
with Zoe Deschanel, and also he's a part of Monsters
of Folk, a group with Jim James Connor. Oberst, Mike Mogus,
and Will Johnson.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
His new album is amazing. You guys should check it out,
titled Supernatural Thing, and we're going to do some songs
from it. So I hope you enjoyed the episode with
m wort stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
So many songs we could do here, Naura, I know
where should we begin?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well? I think I love your new album thank You.
I would love to start with Lifeline.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Let's do it. That's a great song, Let's do it,
thank You. Yeah, I'm going to try that guitar. Yeah, okay,
it's in this new tuning. Okay, see, but a lot
of guitars don't like going down too because the low
he goes down to a sea, which it's pretty low.
(02:02):
It can be flappy, but it sometimes creates a cool flap.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I know how you like that string buzz I love it.
I know you love it.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I think this guitar will be just fine.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
He looks good on you.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
It's fun to play. So I've never played this song.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm I'm tickled by that.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm excited you here.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Let's see if I remember.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Since you've recorded it, you haven't played it at all?
Do you mind if I sing a little on the.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
End, can be honored.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I love this song. What a great way to open
a record to you.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Thank you. I'm just trying to remember how this song
was made. And I think it started off by this
guitar tuning that I discovered.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So it's C C G G and then normal and
then normal. So it's a Hawaiian tuning.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah. I think it's called the waheeni or something cool.
A lot of times I'll just go through chord books
and chord encyclopedias and find new tunings, and that'll be
how I spend hours and hours and just trying to decode.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But let's see very different. I I love it.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
You get really in there, sometimes a little too much,
and then you forget how you played the song.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, because you don't know what it's tuned in.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, this will be remembering as we learn. As we
play the song, I'll be trying to remember how it's done. Well.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well met my future self in the mirror, he said,
(04:36):
only can save.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Us now, so I said out loud in.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
The crowded room, and to talk about lungs.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I want you to know I love you so but
I need you to be a life flying for me.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
And if you could be a live flying for.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Me, I'll be a lifeline for you. Some day you'll
see and I won't let go.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Hang it off you age.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Of again you or maybe you just can't see me
climb out of bed or see it again?
Speaker 7 (05:17):
And a lines then of your daddy's house.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I want you to know I.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Love your soon, but I need.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You to be a life flying for me.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Man, if you good be a.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Life flying for me, I'll be a life lying for you.
Some day you'll see.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I won't let go.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, I won't let it go.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I won't let lord.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
No, I won't let go.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
I won't let go.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
I won't let go. I won't let go.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I lego, who now let go?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That was great?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
That was great too, That's too fun, so great.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's a great song. Oh thank you. I love this song.
We haven't played together in so long.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It's been too long.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I mean I've seen I saw you nine years ago.
I came and visited you in the studio, but I
haven't actually played with you in since since that tour.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Maybe India maybe like.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh, India, Angalore, we were in India. That was maybe
thirteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Oh my god, yeah, that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Twenty twelve. Well, it was right after my dad died,
so I know it was two thousand and thirteen, that's
what it was. Wow. Yeah, ten years ago. And then
before that we toured four every.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
All over the all over this little planet.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It was incredible. Were we on tour for like a year?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I'm going to say it was off and on for
a year.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, was that in two thousand and three or four?
I don't remember something around there.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah. I remember playing this incredible place in Athens.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And then we hit in Greece. We played it the.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Other Athens, that's right, it's crazy, and.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It was like one hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Is Stanbul, that's right. We hit them all.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, and we went all over the States and Europe and.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
A little stop in Goa Dance Poland. As I remember, memory.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Serves, thanks for doing that with me. You did it
all solo.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
You guys helped me.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, but that that's a long time to play solo.
Even though we were all fam you know, it was
like still you were out there solo.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
It takes a little bit of insanity which I think
I have.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, you're great at it because your guitar place very kind,
you know, rhythmic.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I mean, I enjoy it you have to do and
I like the challenge of like, okay, it's just me
and I remember in high school with my four track
it's like listening to Beatles records. It's like, I don't
have a bass player, I don't have drums. I'm going
to have to figure out how to do this di
I y and like whatever instrument is in the house.
And so that's still how it is. When I play solo,
(08:36):
I think, yeah, how am I going to get through this?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's great.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I mean, it's it's a it's a great challenge for me.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Well we had fun.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
If I recall, we had what you would say, you
would call it a time.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yes, it was a time. Yes, peaks and valleys, Yes, paks.
I remember some amazing little spots in the French Riviera, right,
Auntie was in there.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yes, that's right. Oh man, I gotta go look at
my pictures from that era. I have some good pictures
of us in El Paso. I know, remember when we
went to the top of that lookout that's right. Yeah,
some great pictures of us all.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
There's some tas Ma Hall ones as well. Yeah, in
the in the tuk tuks.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Do you remember when we took an overnight bus because
we didn't have a day off and in New Delhi
to go to the tash Ma Hall. So we did
it on our second show day. We had a we
had two shows in New Delhi and so the whole
band and crew who had to get up early to
work the next day too. We got on a bus
(09:48):
at like midnight from the hotel after the show and
we woke up at the taj Ma Hall at five
in the morning. And I'll never forget the guy you
know on the bus. It was like a guide and
he had a microphone. We were all asleep and then
he was like, hello, how do you back from your dreams?
We say that line all the time, Are you back
(10:09):
from your dreams?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I love that? And then opening our eyes and there's
the yes, this is a dream.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
This was a dream. And then we drove back to
Delhi and did a show.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
That's right, that's right, that was fun. That whole trip
was a eye opener.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, it was crazy, man, It's so good to see
you and.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Play great to see you again times.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, I know. You know. The first time I heard
you before we met, I was at Jesse Harris's house.
He played me Undertaker okay, and what album is that?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
From Transfiguration of Vincent.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I loved that album so much and I was obsessed
with it, and then I that's when I wanted you
to come tour with us.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
You know, should we should we hit that?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It might be fun to do Undertakers.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It's one of my favorite songs, thank you. And I
was listening to it today getting ready for this, and
I was like, oh my god, it's still one of
my favorites. Yeah. When I to switch guitars in, is
it weird if I singing harmony on the second verse?
Is it okay? Okay? You know what's funny is that
(11:19):
I've loved this song for so long and I always
sang harmony on the second verse when I was listening
to it, So, yeah, I get to try it great
in real time.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I love it. I love it. I just did a
tour in Australia because that record just turned twenty. I think, wow,
so these Australians learned the entire record and we rolled
around Australia playing that entire record.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So it's so fun.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
It was.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It was Blasts, So you had a local Australian band. Yeah,
that's a good way to roll.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It sounds fun great.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
They call themselves the Dead Necks amazing and I'm gonna
give them a shout out right now.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
M hm mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Well, love is so good.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
When you're treated like it should be. The sky goes
on forever in a zymphony of song, and how the
water can flow like it's streaming out of fountains, and
all you ain't gotta do is find a sword at
a store, and how it takes on the night like
(13:09):
Birds of Beardie, like way down in Pollyanna where the
raise runs were. Oh body, if you're gonna leave, better
(13:31):
call the undertaker, take me under, an undertaker, take me home.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Oh it just places me in a bar.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Fasten all the locks with the one to throw me
over the race side breede. Because love is so good
when you're treated like it should be. The sing goes
on forever in a symphonious song. Oh but if you're
(14:29):
gonna leave, you'd better call the undertaker. Take me under.
To undertake her take me on. Yeah, if you're gonna leave,
(14:55):
you'd better call le undertake her. Mm hmmm, take me
under Undertaker dig me.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Oh, whoa, whoa, that's so pretty.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I love that song, thanks sir bringing it back. When
did you make your first album? M Probably around two thousand, Yeah,
in Portland, Oregon?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Portland, Oregon, Yeah, where I first started making records.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Did you grow up there?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I grew up in southern California in Venture County, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
How did you end up in Portland?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
That's a great question. Well, I got a degree in
literature and English, and some of my friends started this
job of teaching kids how to read, like dyslexic kids.
So that took me to Chicago and then Seattle, and
then I realized Portland was a little bit better than Seattle.
So that's why I ended up, which was two thousand,
(16:20):
which is like it was a different city then changed
so much, but yeah that's home now still still Los
Angeles is home, so I bounce between both cities. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Wow, I love. How many records have you made?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I've lost track?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I think this record that's going to come out as
my eleventh.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It is one every couple of years.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I mean, it's perfect. It's great.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
How you've been, man, been good? Been good? How about
you pretty good?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah? We should just shows together. I know, let's do
it so you you kind of bounce back and forth
between playing, touring, making records with your own thing and
also she and Him with Zoe you know, yeah, which
I love. You've made, Like, how many Christmas records?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
We made? Two Christmas records?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Two is not enough? You need another?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Well, we'll think about it. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
love your Christmas record. It's like it's it's a great
way to spend the summer, right.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It is?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Right? Did you find that when you were doing it?
By the end you were so in it that you
had like all these other Christmas songs you wanted to
do And that's why you did a second one? I
mean because I could see that.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yeah, the list is never ending up those I know,
you know songs and saying and it's like, keep doing
that forever.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's great. It's one of my favorite Christmas albums. Thank
you to listen to. And you guys just did a
Brian Wilson Yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
During COVID we just decided this would be a good
challenge to like take on these songs that are really complex.
And he's been a you know, inspiration since I was
in high school and just growing up with these songs
and these harmonies, and it kind of seems kind of
(18:24):
simple when you're, you know, listening to it on the
radio or on your CD player, But then when you
dig in, as I'm sure you know, there's just so
many movements and chord progressions that boggles of mind.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's so complex, right, Yeah, Yeah, the songs are deep, Yeah,
with a sunny.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Ex sunny exterior, but but yeah, a very deep ocean
of complexity.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's beautiful. Did you guys hang out with him and
play him at all?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah? He played on this record.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
He played on the record.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, we guessed it on his last solo record called
Peer Pressure Special. It was amazing. Yeah, he's a he's
a hero, and the fact that he's still on it
and still writing beautiful songs and singing is inspiration.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's fun to watch your heroes work and just sort
of see how they do it.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah right, Yeah, we're lucky to be in that position.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I'm remembering now when. I think it was in Copenhagen
where we met Keith Richards, right, I forgot about that
and just hearing him talk about his yeah story, it
was like I think we brought out some ukuleles at
some point.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We went to his hotel room.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
His saxophone player Tim Reis told me that they were
in town and that Keith would love to say hi.
And we went and his his wife and daughters were
there and they were just having a family hang.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yep, and they just invited us in.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It was just you and me, or you and me
and Lee.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I think it's just you. I think it was just
you and me.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, And we went in and they were dancing with
like funny hats and just jammy.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, there was there was some guitars and nukuleles around.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I haven't thought about that forever. Wow, what a good memory.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
This was before the time where we photograph everything.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, there's no photograph of it. It was just a
little hang. Yeah, that's wild. I just saw Keith at
this Willie Nelson. Yeah, and he sounded amazing. Yeah, his
voice sounded great. He looks great.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah. I wish I could have seen that show.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
It was pretty epic.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It was pretty epic. Yeah, it was amazing. But it's
funny thinking about life, right and going back in time.
Don't you feel like you're the same age in some ways?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah I do too.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, time is time stopped a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like all these memories of that tour.
Yeah there were we had pictures, but it wasn't like
it is now.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Just sort of snapshot memories.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, that's one of these days we'll tell the whole story.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
The whole story. Oh my god, that was a roller coaster.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It was the roller coaster of two thousand and four
or three, I can't remember, speaking of roller coaster. What
a segue. I didn't even mean to do that.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Well done, Well should we do that song?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah? I love roller coaster. This is a great one.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I get to sing harmonies.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
With you me, uh, change the tuning in for a
second here. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. That Santa
Fe and no it was it wasn't Santa Fe. It
was Texas.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It was El Paso.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Actually, yeah, until you mentioned that, I think we like it,
like looked over warez right and we met some.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Natives, We ate some really great Mexican right. I think
that was near the end of the era. Yeah, maybe, yeah, Okay,
maybe this was two thousand and six. I think this
was two thousand and six.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Maybe it actually lasted three years.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Maybe it was actually a five year tour.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I remember India was the last.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, but that was after a long time. Yeah, big hiatus.
I feel like India was kind of more like a
one one off for.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Us, as most tours are. You know, you hit India last.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, hit India is its own thing, India and Texas.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
And I'll never forget this concert we went to in
India where it was sitars. We were all sitting down.
We were invited into this old temple and we had
a privately it was like a private.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Concert, Like I don't remember that, And then I think
you're thinking of my stepmom. It was her house. It
was like my dad's center. It wasn't it felt like
a temple because it was a it's like a center
where they teach. There's like a big building, that's what it.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Was like a school almost.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, And she had these musicians and dancers from Rajasthan
come and performed for us.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
That's what it was. It felt like a private concert.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It was because she did it because she knew that
she knew that we weren't going to get time to
go see anything, so she kind of brought it to us,
which was really cool. That's amazing. Actually, I remember that
group of musicians and dancers I had seen probably fifteen
(24:09):
years earlier, and one of the kids was dancing, and
this time it was like the kid was the leader,
the grown up.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That is crazy?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Was it in Delhi?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That was in Delhi? Yeah, all right, let's do roller coaster,
Let's do it. Is this a funny tuning?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It is?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
It's called, for lack of a better word, D six okay,
which a lot of my records are based on. For
some reason. Nice does D major sound about right?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yep? Your luck roll roll, roll and coast.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
You can hurry back to Wins.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You can make a damn man scream your.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Luck roll roll roll a coasting.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
Un Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Now, roller coaster it was the best of time, But
roller coaster it was the worst of times to because
you lift me up so high, high high. That's the
most unbelievable ride.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You're like a roll road, roll and coaster.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You give me heavy mental dreams so you can make
a damn man scream. You're larking roll Roll, roll.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
And Coaster, roller Coaster.
Speaker 10 (26:51):
I can't find my friends on the ground.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Just lift me up and send me spy Ireland now.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Because you lit me up so high high. It's the
most unbelievable ride.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You're like roll Roll, Roll and Coast.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Heavy mane to weak.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
You could make a damn man screamed.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
You're like roll Road, Roll and Coast, Roll Roll, Roll
Lo Coast, Roll Roll Roll Lo Coaster one more time,
Roll Road, roll a coaster.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
Best.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I love them when you do those breaks.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh yeah, I like when you do. I like how
we switched them.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That was good version.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
That was fun. Thatunds a fun one.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Thank you, Nora thinks mad.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, so you're going to go on tour? When does
the record come out?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Record comes out on June twenty third.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Okay, so we might be past that when this airs.
I'm not sure, but yeah, are you beyond tour all summer?
Speaker 6 (28:24):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I don't really tour as much anymore. It's more like
select dates.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay, so you kind of go in and out.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yeah, I keep things kind of special instead of a
constant whirlwind.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That's a good way to do it, especially if you
have kids.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it works for me.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah. Do you usually take a band out or do
you usually have like a like you did in Australia.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
It's half and half. I like the challenge of just
playing solo a lot, but I love the xury of
having a full band. So it's I try to do
try to do both.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's nice to mix it up. Yes, it's only one thing.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yes, it keeps me on my toes always. And my
favorite place to tour is Europe, so i'm there once
or twice a year.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Okay, that's tough from the West coast.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's a bit of I get a little
bit of mileage bonuses.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah. Good, let's do Chinese translation.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You've been doing this one a long time.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
This one gets requested pretty often.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
This is a record. It comes from a record called
Post War.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, I'm going to say it was made around two
thousand and five. Yep, I think maybe right around the
time we did our three year tour. Right in the middle.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There are five year tour, Yes, a five year tour
I think it came out in the middle there, and
that's why I feel like I feel really like I
know this one really well from that era.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Yeah, it's tuning in that same tuning is roller coaster?
Should we just wing it?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, let's sing it all right?
Speaker 12 (30:20):
Dot two three, I say the wild See clumbed up
a doll doll mountain.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I met an old old man.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
He sat beneath the saplingary he said, Now, if you
got some questions, go and lay them at my feet.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
But my time here is brief. You're gonna have to
pick just three. So I said, what do you do with.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
The pieces of a broken huh?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And how can a man like me real made.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
In the line?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And if life is really it's showing as they say,
then why is them not so long? And then the
sun went dad and he sang for me this song.
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He said, I once was a young man like you,
and I was afraid to do the things that I
knew I had to do. So I played escapade and
just say, yeah, I played this escapade just like you.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
I said, while why see, I climbed to off tall
mountain man, an old old man, He's happenneath the sapling and.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
He said, now, if you got some questions, go and
lay them at my feet. But my time here is brief.
She's gonna have to pictures three, And I said, what
do you do with the pieces of Brooking home? And
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how can a man like me remain in the life?
Speaker 6 (32:37):
And if life is ready and short as they sing,
then why is the night so long?
Speaker 5 (32:47):
And did that song?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And down at same for me?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
This song?
Speaker 8 (33:40):
And don't don't time?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's a fun one to play.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Great solos.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That was great. I love your retired playing so much.
I think you introduced me to J. J. Cale.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Did I think you did.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I don't think i'd ever listened to him before the
Magnolia that song. We didn't do it, but I just
know that you talked about him.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Who else did you love? Growing up?
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I mean my first thing that first songs that I
learned were like songs from the Beatles catalog, and then
I started to get into like who inspired them? So
that led me to Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry's. And
then when I started switching from electric guitar to acoustic
guitar and started messing with alternate tunings, it was Joni Mitchell,
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John Fahey and.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
John Fay I could hear that.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
That was a big influence. Yeah, and then I discovered
this label out of Los Angeles called SST, which led
me to find electric guitars and learning about sonic Youth
and and they're alternate tunings, which is a whole other subject.
It's a whole nother podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I don't know anything about them.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, we should talk about Youth make.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Me some I mean I know them and I but
I don't really know much.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, there's there's lots of lots of take in. But
that was a big influence for me. Was was their
treatment of electric guitars. And yeah, they have a record
called Sister. And the one that really hit me the
hardest was Goo. And I was in that impressionable high
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school age and yeah, a record called Goo is probably
the one I would recommend people to start with.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Okay, I'll start there.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
How about you? What was your high school like? Repeat
lessons Jeff Buckley.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, and a lot of jazz. It's a lot of
Billie Holiday, Yeah, yeah, Nina, Simone, Ray Charles, that kind
of stuff. But I also loved the and Nirvana. Those
were my big current bands that I loved. Yeah, I
wore that Violent Fem's record out. I still listen to it.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
All the time. I really don't know them.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, that one album is so good. I think it's
just called Violent Fems. But it's cool because it's it's
all acoustic instruments. He's playing like a not upright acoustic bass.
It's just an acoustic sideways bass, a bass guitar. I
think I could be completely wrong about this, but this
(37:34):
is what my ears tell me. And the drums is
mostly just like snare drum. It's not even a whole kid,
so it's very stripped back, but like punk rock, it's
pretty awesome.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Are they still making music.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I think they are. I think they're on tour.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
My dream is to get Gordon Gato. Oh my god,
I would die actually all of them, but it's just
so good.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
They're all still with us.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'm not sure. I actually have no idea if they're
still the same band. I'm not sure if they are,
but shout out, yeah, so a cute pretty cool. Are
you ever doing Monsters of Folks anymore? You guys still
get together?
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Jim James and Connor Oberst.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
We do get together every once in a while, but
everyone is pretty busy doing their own thing.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
I'll be doing some touring with Jim this summer with
my Morning Jacket. Oh fun on the West coast.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
That's rad. That'll be a finish couple of.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Nights at Red Rocks, which I think we played Red Rocks.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I think we did. Yeah, Oh that's great, So that'll
be that'll be good. Are you He's sang on the
new record, didn't he?
Speaker 5 (38:41):
He played saxophone on.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
My new He played saxophone on the new record. Yeah,
that's fun.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yeah, a lot of people will be surprised to know
Jim's a great saxophone player.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
But I didn't know that. It doesn't surprise me though.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yeah, he's mad many talents.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, that's fun. Who else is on the new record?
You got some guests.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
I did a couple of songs with First Aid Kit.
They've got these family harmonies that they do because they're
sisters and incredible vocalists. And then Jim's on there, my
old friends from Doctor Dog, Scott mcmackon is on there,
(39:19):
Amazing Nico Case is on there. And another band I
got turned onto a few years ago was Shovels and Rope.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
They're amazing.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, they're great. Have you ever toured with them?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Not toured, but we did a festival, this thing that
they host in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay is that where they're from?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, okay, so they're on there. So it's it's a
good mix.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
The album's great. I love it. It's called Supernatural Thing
and it's very supernatural. And you do this Daniel Johnson
song Johnston, Right, it's with a T Daniel Johnson.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I think you might have turned me onto him also
back in the day.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
He's been a huge influence since high school.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Also, yeah, right, can you tell a little bit about
him just for people who don't know him. I feel
like it's kind of he's like a special find if
you don't know him.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yeah, he's gotten a lot of publicity over the over
the last you know, five ten years, but he's still
kind of an underground figure. Songwriter from Austin, Texas, was
diagnosed with a few different kinds of mental illnesses, but
it didn't stop him from making just tons of cassettes
(40:38):
and records.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, cassettes, a lot of cassettes, right.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah, that's how he started just completely Diy and it was.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Pretty underground for a long time.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Yeah, and it's still, like, you know, kind of hard
to find someone that knows his his tapes, but so
many incredible songs. I've covered about three or four of them.
And on my new record, I record a song that
I've been playing live a bunch called Story of an Artist.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's a pretty deep song.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
It's a great song.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
It's a crazy song.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It says it all, it really does, and it's Yeah,
it kind of took me back. It took me a
a back. Yeah, it kind of knocked me down a
little listening to it.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Yeah, it's his perspective is uh like like no other.
And he passed away a few years ago. I was
happy to meet him a few times. Oh yeah, just
one of the kind. Yeah, and I recommend anyone who's
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listening to this to check out his early tapes.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Story of an Artist. All right, well you want to play,
let's do it.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Maybe maybe I'll just sing on this.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Crazy No, it's awesome. There's only two worse than the song.
You know, there's four chords.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah, I think the whole song is four chords.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I think I can do it.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
And any verses that you know, please, what key are
we in here? On the album?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
You do it?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Indeed? And you there's quite a few verses on his version, right.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
Yeah, and I think I only took out one.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, you like sweetened it, you know it's perfect.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Liszten up and all tell a story about an artist
growing up. Some will try for faming glory and others
(43:24):
are so bold, and everyone in friends and family.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Saying, hey, go get a job. Why do you only
do that only? And why are you so I.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
They say, we don't really like what you do. We
don't think anyone ever will. We think you have a problem,
(44:26):
and this problems made you ill.
Speaker 11 (45:02):
The artist walks the flowers, appreciating the sun.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
He's out there, he's waking hours. Oh to say that
he's wrong, But.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
The artist walks alone, and someone says behind his back,
he's got some gall to call himself that he doesn't
even know where he's at.
Speaker 5 (45:57):
So listen.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
And I'll tell a story about an artists growing up.
So will try for famed glory. Others like to watch
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the word dadda.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I got so sad.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
There's some sadness in there.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
What a beautiful song though.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Heavy, That was great. Yeah, it's it's heavy. So many
of us songs are very heavy.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
But oh beautiful story of an artist. Huh, it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Why do we do this?
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Why do we do this? I mean, you know, it
raises that, it raises the question. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I don't know what I would have done if I
hadn't found success doing this. Yeah, I don't know. I
don't know that I would do something else or stop
doing it.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
Yeah, I'm saying it's even if I had another job,
music would still be happening. Yeah, very blessed that. Yeah myself,
we are, you know, able to wake up every day
and do this and instead of having to devote time
to a million other things.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, well, thanks for joining me.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
What a blast. So good to see you Nora play
some songs.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yay, Oh that was fun. Thanks for listening. His voice
is like molasses in my ears. He always so gross.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Actually, yeah, it meant it like a soothing but that
sounds like a sticky mess.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I love his his accent kind of I don't understand
where it's from, but I love it. Yeah, what is that?
I don't know? Old timey? Yes, yeah, it's great. We
had so much fun reconnecting Thank you for listening everyone.
I hope you enjoyed the show. I'm just playing long dude,
weuzy do do Doo doo. If you want to know
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some songs from the show, we played Lifeline from his
latest album titled Supernatural Thing. We played Undertaker from Transfiguration
of Vincent in two thousand and three, roller Coaster from
Postwar two thousand and six, Chinese translation also from Post
War two thousand and six, and Story of an Artist,
which is a Danielson song that m Ward recorded for
his two thousand and four album The Late Great Daniel Johnston,
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and a live version is also on his new album.
This episode was recorded by Matt Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry,
edited by Sarah Oda, additional engineering by Greg Tobler and
Pete rem artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography by Shervin Lenz.
Produced by Me and my Sarah Oda,
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with
m Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing alone
with you.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am Nora. Welcome to the show with me, as
always is Sarah Oda. Hello, Hi, Hi. This was a
fun one, very fun.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
But before we get into it, we just want to
say thank you to our listeners and we hope you
like what you're hearing and have been introduced to artists
that you maybe didn't know, or learn something new about
an artist that you do know.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
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like us, Please like us.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Okay, our guest today. He's the great singer, songwriter, guitar.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Player m Ward, or as you would call him, I
call him Matt. I've known him forever. We used to
tour together. I think on my second or third record
we did a whole long tour, so we got some history.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah, you been everywhere with him. He's put out several
albums over the past twenty plus years, both as a
solo artist but also as half of She and Him
with Zoe Deschanel, and also he's a part of Monsters
of Folk, a group with Jim James Connor. Oberst, Mike Mogus,
and Will Johnson.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
His new album is amazing. You guys should check it out,
titled Supernatural Thing, and we're going to do some songs
from it. So I hope you enjoyed the episode with
m wort stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
So many songs we could do here, Naura, I know
where should we begin?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well? I think I love your new album thank You.
I would love to start with Lifeline.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Let's do it. That's a great song, Let's do it,
thank You. Yeah, I'm going to try that guitar. Yeah, okay,
it's in this new tuning. Okay, see, but a lot
of guitars don't like going down too because the low
he goes down to a sea, which it's pretty low.
(02:02):
It can be flappy, but it sometimes creates a cool flap.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I know how you like that string buzz I love it.
I know you love it.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I think this guitar will be just fine.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
He looks good on you.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
It's fun to play. So I've never played this song.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm I'm tickled by that.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm excited you here.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Let's see if I remember.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Since you've recorded it, you haven't played it at all?
Do you mind if I sing a little on the.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
End, can be honored.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I love this song. What a great way to open
a record to you.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Thank you. I'm just trying to remember how this song
was made. And I think it started off by this
guitar tuning that I discovered.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So it's C C G G and then normal and
then normal. So it's a Hawaiian tuning.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah. I think it's called the waheeni or something cool.
A lot of times I'll just go through chord books
and chord encyclopedias and find new tunings, and that'll be
how I spend hours and hours and just trying to decode.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But let's see very different. I I love it.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
You get really in there, sometimes a little too much,
and then you forget how you played the song.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, because you don't know what it's tuned in.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, this will be remembering as we learn. As we
play the song, I'll be trying to remember how it's done. Well.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well met my future self in the mirror, he said,
(04:36):
only can save.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Us now, so I said out loud in.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
The crowded room, and to talk about lungs.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I want you to know I love you so but
I need you to be a life flying for me.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
And if you could be a live flying for.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Me, I'll be a lifeline for you. Some day you'll
see and I won't let go.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Hang it off you age.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Of again you or maybe you just can't see me
climb out of bed or see it again?
Speaker 7 (05:17):
And a lines then of your daddy's house.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I want you to know I.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Love your soon, but I need.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You to be a life flying for me.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Man, if you good be a.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Life flying for me, I'll be a life lying for you.
Some day you'll see.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I won't let go.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, I won't let it go.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I won't let go.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I won't let lord.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
No, I won't let go.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
I won't let go.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
I won't let go. I won't let go.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I lego, who now let go?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That was great?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
That was great too, That's too fun, so great.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's a great song. Oh thank you. I love this song.
We haven't played together in so long.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It's been too long.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I mean I've seen I saw you nine years ago.
I came and visited you in the studio, but I
haven't actually played with you in since since that tour.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Maybe India maybe like.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh, India, Angalore, we were in India. That was maybe
thirteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Oh my god, yeah, that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Twenty twelve. Well, it was right after my dad died,
so I know it was two thousand and thirteen, that's
what it was. Wow. Yeah, ten years ago. And then
before that we toured four every.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
All over the all over this little planet.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It was incredible. Were we on tour for like a year?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I'm going to say it was off and on for
a year.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, was that in two thousand and three or four?
I don't remember something around there.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah. I remember playing this incredible place in Athens.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And then we hit in Greece. We played it the.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Other Athens, that's right, it's crazy, and.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It was like one hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Is Stanbul, that's right. We hit them all.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, and we went all over the States and Europe and.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
A little stop in Goa Dance Poland. As I remember, memory.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Serves, thanks for doing that with me. You did it
all solo.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
You guys helped me.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, but that that's a long time to play solo.
Even though we were all fam you know, it was
like still you were out there solo.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
It takes a little bit of insanity which I think
I have.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, you're great at it because your guitar place very kind,
you know, rhythmic.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I mean, I enjoy it you have to do and
I like the challenge of like, okay, it's just me
and I remember in high school with my four track
it's like listening to Beatles records. It's like, I don't
have a bass player, I don't have drums. I'm going
to have to figure out how to do this di
I y and like whatever instrument is in the house.
And so that's still how it is. When I play solo,
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I think, yeah, how am I going to get through this?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's great.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I mean, it's it's a it's a great challenge for me.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Well we had fun.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
If I recall, we had what you would say, you
would call it a time.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yes, it was a time. Yes, peaks and valleys, Yes, paks.
I remember some amazing little spots in the French Riviera, right,
Auntie was in there.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yes, that's right. Oh man, I gotta go look at
my pictures from that era. I have some good pictures
of us in El Paso. I know, remember when we
went to the top of that lookout that's right. Yeah,
some great pictures of us all.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
There's some tas Ma Hall ones as well. Yeah, in
the in the tuk tuks.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Do you remember when we took an overnight bus because
we didn't have a day off and in New Delhi
to go to the tash Ma Hall. So we did
it on our second show day. We had a we
had two shows in New Delhi and so the whole
band and crew who had to get up early to
work the next day too. We got on a bus
(09:48):
at like midnight from the hotel after the show and
we woke up at the taj Ma Hall at five
in the morning. And I'll never forget the guy you
know on the bus. It was like a guide and
he had a microphone. We were all asleep and then
he was like, hello, how do you back from your dreams?
We say that line all the time, Are you back
(10:09):
from your dreams?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I love that? And then opening our eyes and there's
the yes, this is a dream.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
This was a dream. And then we drove back to
Delhi and did a show.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
That's right, that's right, that was fun. That whole trip
was a eye opener.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, it was crazy, man, It's so good to see
you and.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Play great to see you again times.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, I know. You know. The first time I heard
you before we met, I was at Jesse Harris's house.
He played me Undertaker okay, and what album is that?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
From Transfiguration of Vincent.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I loved that album so much and I was obsessed
with it, and then I that's when I wanted you
to come tour with us.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
You know, should we should we hit that?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It might be fun to do Undertakers.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It's one of my favorite songs, thank you. And I
was listening to it today getting ready for this, and
I was like, oh my god, it's still one of
my favorites. Yeah. When I to switch guitars in, is
it weird if I singing harmony on the second verse?
Is it okay? Okay? You know what's funny is that
(11:19):
I've loved this song for so long and I always
sang harmony on the second verse when I was listening
to it, So, yeah, I get to try it great
in real time.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I love it. I love it. I just did a
tour in Australia because that record just turned twenty. I think, wow,
so these Australians learned the entire record and we rolled
around Australia playing that entire record.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So it's so fun.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
It was.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It was Blasts, So you had a local Australian band. Yeah,
that's a good way to roll.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It sounds fun great.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
They call themselves the Dead Necks amazing and I'm gonna
give them a shout out right now.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
M hm mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Well, love is so good.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
When you're treated like it should be. The sky goes
on forever in a zymphony of song, and how the
water can flow like it's streaming out of fountains, and
all you ain't gotta do is find a sword at
a store, and how it takes on the night like
(13:09):
Birds of Beardie, like way down in Pollyanna where the
raise runs were. Oh body, if you're gonna leave, better
(13:31):
call the undertaker, take me under, an undertaker, take me home.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Oh it just places me in a bar.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Fasten all the locks with the one to throw me
over the race side breede. Because love is so good
when you're treated like it should be. The sing goes
on forever in a symphonious song. Oh but if you're
(14:29):
gonna leave, you'd better call the undertaker. Take me under.
To undertake her take me on. Yeah, if you're gonna leave,
(14:55):
you'd better call le undertake her. Mm hmmm, take me
under Undertaker dig me.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Oh, whoa, whoa, that's so pretty.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I love that song, thanks sir bringing it back. When
did you make your first album? M Probably around two thousand, Yeah,
in Portland, Oregon?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Portland, Oregon, Yeah, where I first started making records.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Did you grow up there?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I grew up in southern California in Venture County, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
How did you end up in Portland?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
That's a great question. Well, I got a degree in
literature and English, and some of my friends started this
job of teaching kids how to read, like dyslexic kids.
So that took me to Chicago and then Seattle, and
then I realized Portland was a little bit better than Seattle.
So that's why I ended up, which was two thousand,
(16:20):
which is like it was a different city then changed
so much, but yeah that's home now still still Los
Angeles is home, so I bounce between both cities. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Wow, I love. How many records have you made?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I've lost track?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I think this record that's going to come out as
my eleventh.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It is one every couple of years.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I mean, it's perfect. It's great.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
How you've been, man, been good? Been good? How about
you pretty good?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah? We should just shows together. I know, let's do
it so you you kind of bounce back and forth
between playing, touring, making records with your own thing and
also she and Him with Zoe you know, yeah, which
I love. You've made, Like, how many Christmas records?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
We made? Two Christmas records?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Two is not enough? You need another?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Well, we'll think about it. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
love your Christmas record. It's like it's it's a great
way to spend the summer, right.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It is?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Right? Did you find that when you were doing it?
By the end you were so in it that you
had like all these other Christmas songs you wanted to
do And that's why you did a second one? I
mean because I could see that.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yeah, the list is never ending up those I know,
you know songs and saying and it's like, keep doing
that forever.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's great. It's one of my favorite Christmas albums. Thank
you to listen to. And you guys just did a
Brian Wilson Yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
During COVID we just decided this would be a good
challenge to like take on these songs that are really complex.
And he's been a you know, inspiration since I was
in high school and just growing up with these songs
and these harmonies, and it kind of seems kind of
(18:24):
simple when you're, you know, listening to it on the
radio or on your CD player, But then when you
dig in, as I'm sure you know, there's just so
many movements and chord progressions that boggles of mind.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's so complex, right, Yeah, Yeah, the songs are deep, Yeah,
with a sunny.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Ex sunny exterior, but but yeah, a very deep ocean
of complexity.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's beautiful. Did you guys hang out with him and
play him at all?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah? He played on this record.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
He played on the record.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, we guessed it on his last solo record called
Peer Pressure Special. It was amazing. Yeah, he's a he's
a hero, and the fact that he's still on it
and still writing beautiful songs and singing is inspiration.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's fun to watch your heroes work and just sort
of see how they do it.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah right, Yeah, we're lucky to be in that position.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I'm remembering now when. I think it was in Copenhagen
where we met Keith Richards, right, I forgot about that
and just hearing him talk about his yeah story, it
was like I think we brought out some ukuleles at
some point.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We went to his hotel room.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
His saxophone player Tim Reis told me that they were
in town and that Keith would love to say hi.
And we went and his his wife and daughters were
there and they were just having a family hang.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yep, and they just invited us in.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It was just you and me, or you and me
and Lee.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I think it's just you. I think it was just
you and me.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, And we went in and they were dancing with
like funny hats and just jammy.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, there was there was some guitars and nukuleles around.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I haven't thought about that forever. Wow, what a good memory.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
This was before the time where we photograph everything.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, there's no photograph of it. It was just a
little hang. Yeah, that's wild. I just saw Keith at
this Willie Nelson. Yeah, and he sounded amazing. Yeah, his
voice sounded great. He looks great.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah. I wish I could have seen that show.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
It was pretty epic.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It was pretty epic. Yeah, it was amazing. But it's
funny thinking about life, right and going back in time.
Don't you feel like you're the same age in some ways?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah I do too.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, time is time stopped a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like all these memories of that tour.
Yeah there were we had pictures, but it wasn't like
it is now.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Just sort of snapshot memories.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, that's one of these days we'll tell the whole story.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
The whole story. Oh my god, that was a roller coaster.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It was the roller coaster of two thousand and four
or three, I can't remember, speaking of roller coaster. What
a segue. I didn't even mean to do that.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Well done, Well should we do that song?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah? I love roller coaster. This is a great one.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I get to sing harmonies.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
With you me, uh, change the tuning in for a
second here. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. That Santa
Fe and no it was it wasn't Santa Fe. It
was Texas.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It was El Paso.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Actually, yeah, until you mentioned that, I think we like it,
like looked over warez right and we met some.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Natives, We ate some really great Mexican right. I think
that was near the end of the era. Yeah, maybe, yeah, Okay,
maybe this was two thousand and six. I think this
was two thousand and six.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Maybe it actually lasted three years.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Maybe it was actually a five year tour.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I remember India was the last.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, but that was after a long time. Yeah, big hiatus.
I feel like India was kind of more like a
one one off for.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Us, as most tours are. You know, you hit India last.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, hit India is its own thing, India and Texas.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
And I'll never forget this concert we went to in
India where it was sitars. We were all sitting down.
We were invited into this old temple and we had
a privately it was like a private.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Concert, Like I don't remember that, And then I think
you're thinking of my stepmom. It was her house. It
was like my dad's center. It wasn't it felt like
a temple because it was a it's like a center
where they teach. There's like a big building, that's what it.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Was like a school almost.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, And she had these musicians and dancers from Rajasthan
come and performed for us.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
That's what it was. It felt like a private concert.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It was because she did it because she knew that
she knew that we weren't going to get time to
go see anything, so she kind of brought it to us,
which was really cool. That's amazing. Actually, I remember that
group of musicians and dancers I had seen probably fifteen
(24:09):
years earlier, and one of the kids was dancing, and
this time it was like the kid was the leader,
the grown up.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That is crazy?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Was it in Delhi?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That was in Delhi? Yeah, all right, let's do roller coaster,
Let's do it. Is this a funny tuning?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It is?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
It's called, for lack of a better word, D six okay,
which a lot of my records are based on. For
some reason. Nice does D major sound about right?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yep? Your luck roll roll, roll and coast.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
You can hurry back to Wins.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You can make a damn man scream your.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Luck roll roll roll a coasting.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
Un Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Now, roller coaster it was the best of time, But
roller coaster it was the worst of times to because
you lift me up so high, high high. That's the
most unbelievable ride.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You're like a roll road, roll and coaster.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You give me heavy mental dreams so you can make
a damn man scream. You're larking roll Roll, roll.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
And Coaster, roller Coaster.
Speaker 10 (26:51):
I can't find my friends on the ground.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Just lift me up and send me spy Ireland now.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Because you lit me up so high high. It's the
most unbelievable ride.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You're like roll Roll, Roll and Coast.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Heavy mane to weak.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
You could make a damn man screamed.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
You're like roll Road, Roll and Coast, Roll Roll, Roll
Lo Coast, Roll Roll Roll Lo Coaster one more time,
Roll Road, roll a coaster.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
Best.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I love them when you do those breaks.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh yeah, I like when you do. I like how
we switched them.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That was good version.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
That was fun. Thatunds a fun one.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Thank you, Nora thinks mad.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, so you're going to go on tour? When does
the record come out?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Record comes out on June twenty third.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Okay, so we might be past that when this airs.
I'm not sure, but yeah, are you beyond tour all summer?
Speaker 6 (28:24):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I don't really tour as much anymore. It's more like
select dates.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay, so you kind of go in and out.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yeah, I keep things kind of special instead of a
constant whirlwind.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That's a good way to do it, especially if you
have kids.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it works for me.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah. Do you usually take a band out or do
you usually have like a like you did in Australia.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
It's half and half. I like the challenge of just
playing solo a lot, but I love the xury of
having a full band. So it's I try to do
try to do both.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's nice to mix it up. Yes, it's only one thing.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yes, it keeps me on my toes always. And my
favorite place to tour is Europe, so i'm there once
or twice a year.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Okay, that's tough from the West coast.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's a bit of I get a little
bit of mileage bonuses.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah. Good, let's do Chinese translation.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You've been doing this one a long time.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
This one gets requested pretty often.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
This is a record. It comes from a record called
Post War.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, I'm going to say it was made around two
thousand and five. Yep, I think maybe right around the
time we did our three year tour. Right in the middle.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There are five year tour, Yes, a five year tour
I think it came out in the middle there, and
that's why I feel like I feel really like I
know this one really well from that era.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Yeah, it's tuning in that same tuning is roller coaster?
Should we just wing it?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, let's sing it all right?
Speaker 12 (30:20):
Dot two three, I say the wild See clumbed up
a doll doll mountain.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I met an old old man.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
He sat beneath the saplingary he said, Now, if you
got some questions, go and lay them at my feet.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
But my time here is brief. You're gonna have to
pick just three. So I said, what do you do with.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
The pieces of a broken huh?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And how can a man like me real made.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
In the line?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And if life is really it's showing as they say,
then why is them not so long? And then the
sun went dad and he sang for me this song.
(31:36):
He said, I once was a young man like you,
and I was afraid to do the things that I
knew I had to do. So I played escapade and
just say, yeah, I played this escapade just like you.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
I said, while why see, I climbed to off tall
mountain man, an old old man, He's happenneath the sapling and.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
He said, now, if you got some questions, go and
lay them at my feet. But my time here is brief.
She's gonna have to pictures three, And I said, what
do you do with the pieces of Brooking home? And
(32:28):
how can a man like me remain in the life?
Speaker 6 (32:37):
And if life is ready and short as they sing,
then why is the night so long?
Speaker 5 (32:47):
And did that song?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And down at same for me?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
This song?
Speaker 8 (33:40):
And don't don't time?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's a fun one to play.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Great solos.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That was great. I love your retired playing so much.
I think you introduced me to J. J. Cale.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Did I think you did.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I don't think i'd ever listened to him before the
Magnolia that song. We didn't do it, but I just
know that you talked about him.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Who else did you love? Growing up?
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I mean my first thing that first songs that I
learned were like songs from the Beatles catalog, and then
I started to get into like who inspired them? So
that led me to Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry's. And
then when I started switching from electric guitar to acoustic
guitar and started messing with alternate tunings, it was Joni Mitchell,
(35:31):
John Fahey and.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
John Fay I could hear that.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
That was a big influence. Yeah, and then I discovered
this label out of Los Angeles called SST, which led
me to find electric guitars and learning about sonic Youth
and and they're alternate tunings, which is a whole other subject.
It's a whole nother podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I don't know anything about them.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, we should talk about Youth make.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Me some I mean I know them and I but
I don't really know much.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, there's there's lots of lots of take in. But
that was a big influence for me. Was was their
treatment of electric guitars. And yeah, they have a record
called Sister. And the one that really hit me the
hardest was Goo. And I was in that impressionable high
(36:27):
school age and yeah, a record called Goo is probably
the one I would recommend people to start with.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Okay, I'll start there.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
How about you? What was your high school like? Repeat
lessons Jeff Buckley.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, and a lot of jazz. It's a lot of
Billie Holiday, Yeah, yeah, Nina, Simone, Ray Charles, that kind
of stuff. But I also loved the and Nirvana. Those
were my big current bands that I loved. Yeah, I
wore that Violent Fem's record out. I still listen to it.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
All the time. I really don't know them.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, that one album is so good. I think it's
just called Violent Fems. But it's cool because it's it's
all acoustic instruments. He's playing like a not upright acoustic bass.
It's just an acoustic sideways bass, a bass guitar. I
think I could be completely wrong about this, but this
(37:34):
is what my ears tell me. And the drums is
mostly just like snare drum. It's not even a whole kid,
so it's very stripped back, but like punk rock, it's
pretty awesome.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Are they still making music.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I think they are. I think they're on tour.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
My dream is to get Gordon Gato. Oh my god,
I would die actually all of them, but it's just
so good.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
They're all still with us.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'm not sure. I actually have no idea if they're
still the same band. I'm not sure if they are,
but shout out, yeah, so a cute pretty cool. Are
you ever doing Monsters of Folks anymore? You guys still
get together?
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Jim James and Connor Oberst.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
We do get together every once in a while, but
everyone is pretty busy doing their own thing.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
I'll be doing some touring with Jim this summer with
my Morning Jacket. Oh fun on the West coast.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
That's rad. That'll be a finish couple of.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Nights at Red Rocks, which I think we played Red Rocks.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I think we did. Yeah, Oh that's great, So that'll
be that'll be good. Are you He's sang on the
new record, didn't he?
Speaker 5 (38:41):
He played saxophone on.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
My new He played saxophone on the new record. Yeah,
that's fun.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yeah, a lot of people will be surprised to know
Jim's a great saxophone player.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
But I didn't know that. It doesn't surprise me though.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yeah, he's mad many talents.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, that's fun. Who else is on the new record?
You got some guests.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
I did a couple of songs with First Aid Kit.
They've got these family harmonies that they do because they're
sisters and incredible vocalists. And then Jim's on there, my
old friends from Doctor Dog, Scott mcmackon is on there,
(39:19):
Amazing Nico Case is on there. And another band I
got turned onto a few years ago was Shovels and Rope.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
They're amazing.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, they're great. Have you ever toured with them?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Not toured, but we did a festival, this thing that
they host in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay is that where they're from?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, okay, so they're on there. So it's it's a
good mix.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
The album's great. I love it. It's called Supernatural Thing
and it's very supernatural. And you do this Daniel Johnson
song Johnston, Right, it's with a T Daniel Johnson.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I think you might have turned me onto him also
back in the day.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
He's been a huge influence since high school.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Also, yeah, right, can you tell a little bit about
him just for people who don't know him. I feel
like it's kind of he's like a special find if
you don't know him.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yeah, he's gotten a lot of publicity over the over
the last you know, five ten years, but he's still
kind of an underground figure. Songwriter from Austin, Texas, was
diagnosed with a few different kinds of mental illnesses, but
it didn't stop him from making just tons of cassettes
(40:38):
and records.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, cassettes, a lot of cassettes, right.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah, that's how he started just completely Diy and it was.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Pretty underground for a long time.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Yeah, and it's still, like, you know, kind of hard
to find someone that knows his his tapes, but so
many incredible songs. I've covered about three or four of them.
And on my new record, I record a song that
I've been playing live a bunch called Story of an Artist.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's a pretty deep song.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
It's a great song.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
It's a crazy song.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It says it all, it really does, and it's Yeah,
it kind of took me back. It took me a
a back. Yeah, it kind of knocked me down a
little listening to it.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Yeah, it's his perspective is uh like like no other.
And he passed away a few years ago. I was
happy to meet him a few times. Oh yeah, just
one of the kind. Yeah, and I recommend anyone who's
(41:47):
listening to this to check out his early tapes.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Story of an Artist. All right, well you want to play,
let's do it.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Maybe maybe I'll just sing on this.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Crazy No, it's awesome. There's only two worse than the song.
You know, there's four chords.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah, I think the whole song is four chords.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I think I can do it.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
And any verses that you know, please, what key are
we in here? On the album?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
You do it?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Indeed? And you there's quite a few verses on his version, right.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
Yeah, and I think I only took out one.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, you like sweetened it, you know it's perfect.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Liszten up and all tell a story about an artist
growing up. Some will try for faming glory and others
(43:24):
are so bold, and everyone in friends and family.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Saying, hey, go get a job. Why do you only
do that only? And why are you so I.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
They say, we don't really like what you do. We
don't think anyone ever will. We think you have a problem,
(44:26):
and this problems made you ill.
Speaker 11 (45:02):
The artist walks the flowers, appreciating the sun.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
He's out there, he's waking hours. Oh to say that
he's wrong, But.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
The artist walks alone, and someone says behind his back,
he's got some gall to call himself that he doesn't
even know where he's at.
Speaker 5 (45:57):
So listen.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
And I'll tell a story about an artists growing up.
So will try for famed glory. Others like to watch
(46:20):
the word dadda.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I got so sad.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
There's some sadness in there.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
What a beautiful song though.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Heavy, That was great. Yeah, it's it's heavy. So many
of us songs are very heavy.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
But oh beautiful story of an artist. Huh, it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Why do we do this?
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Why do we do this? I mean, you know, it
raises that, it raises the question. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I don't know what I would have done if I
hadn't found success doing this. Yeah, I don't know. I
don't know that I would do something else or stop
doing it.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
Yeah, I'm saying it's even if I had another job,
music would still be happening. Yeah, very blessed that. Yeah myself,
we are, you know, able to wake up every day
and do this and instead of having to devote time
to a million other things.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, well, thanks for joining me.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
What a blast. So good to see you Nora play
some songs.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yay, Oh that was fun. Thanks for listening. His voice
is like molasses in my ears. He always so gross.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Actually, yeah, it meant it like a soothing but that
sounds like a sticky mess.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I love his his accent kind of I don't understand
where it's from, but I love it. Yeah, what is that?
I don't know? Old timey? Yes, yeah, it's great. We
had so much fun reconnecting Thank you for listening everyone.
I hope you enjoyed the show. I'm just playing long dude,
weuzy do do Doo doo. If you want to know
(48:42):
some songs from the show, we played Lifeline from his
latest album titled Supernatural Thing. We played Undertaker from Transfiguration
of Vincent in two thousand and three, roller Coaster from
Postwar two thousand and six, Chinese translation also from Post
War two thousand and six, and Story of an Artist,
which is a Danielson song that m Ward recorded for
his two thousand and four album The Late Great Daniel Johnston,
(49:05):
and a live version is also on his new album.
This episode was recorded by Matt Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry,
edited by Sarah Oda, additional engineering by Greg Tobler and
Pete rem artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography by Shervin Lenz.
Produced by Me and my Sarah Oda,
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