April 22, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the changes at the FDA under Dr. Marty Makary, who is reevaluating nutrition guidelines. The conversation shifts to media narratives surrounding political events, particularly the White House Easter Egg Roll, which becomes a focal point for criticism of the Trump administration. They also touch on a recent theft involving DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey guys, we are back on normally, so was normalist.
It takes for when the news gets weird. I am
Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I am Carol Marco. It's him Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How was your weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
It was good. We had a lovely easter. No one
fought too much over any particular color of egg. And
I got all of my children to look at the
camera ish one time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So that is a wild success.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Actually, I mean the ish is doing some work in
that sentence, but it's a picture of all four of them.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We visited the West coast of Florida, the Gulf of America.
It was a birthday weekend trip for me and it
was very, very nice. I had not seen a lot
of the West coast before.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It was really beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But the best part of my trip was that I
largely disconnected from the Internet. I still used Instagram a
little bit. I use it to get recommendations and things,
and Instagram is just a happy place for me. Getting
back on X today has been like returning to a
mental asylum. It's like, oh God, I remember this, this
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is the crazy people live.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I did the same thing because you know, it's Easter weekend,
I'm with my family. My kids are on spring break,
and I like to actually hang out with them. And
if you're on the social media too much, you will
tempt yourself into just like getting distracted and floating away
or getting really stressed out. And so I did not
do that. So I have also been sort of picking
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up whatever threads are here.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's hard when I got that reacclimated. You know, a
lot of the time, I start thinking like, well, maybe
I'll just stay off for a little bit. But obviously
our jobs and our general world exists on these platforms,
and mostly X for me, I mean, that's the one
that that's the one I have the hardest time quitting
and then the hardest time coming back to.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But you know, I.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's I really appreciate the breaks. And I think that
if you're listening and you are angry at just what
you saw on your social media feed on any given day,
take a break, you know, just gonna take it off
your Phone's that's kind of my big piece of advice,
because my finger automatically opens it all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, you'll notice real fast if you take it off
your phone, how big your addiction is.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, because when your finger is clicking the blank space.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That's what I always say, like when your fingers like
where did this go?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yes? It also turns out like you can do a
bunch of stuff in a day if you don't have
your phone. Like my kids and I made a pillowcase
for a throw pillow, and I was like, look at me,
I'm a trad wife in one day when I put
my phone down. Amazing, Well, patriotic pillowcase too. Look at
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my la.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I'm just supposed a picture of that on X. Well,
let's get into the news. Marty mcquerie is at the
FDA and he is making some changes and I like it.
I like a lot of things that he's doing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, he talked to Megan Kelly last week. And I
also enjoyed that a lot of these officials are giving
their first interviews and in depth interviews to non traditional
media sources. So yeah, McCarry has talked to Megan Kelly.
I believe Senator Centuary of State Rubio spoke to Catherine Herridge,
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who is independent now his first big interview, Usha Vance,
the second Lady, spoke to the Free Press. So I
like this direction and Marty, I shouldn't call him that
excuse me. The FDA head doctor McCarroll I have been
a fan of for quite some time and was a
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you know, reasonable voice during the COVID years, which were
you know, few and far between in the in the
recognized sort of medical expert community, and so I appreciated
him very much. He talked about a couple things. Uh
Number one one of my favorite uh bugaboos, which is
the food pyramid devised by the federal government. Yeah, they're
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going to throw that out the window, which love it. Look,
I'm not even sure that they should be dictating and
telling people what is healthy and what is not, But
as long as they're going to do it, they should
maybe not do it so horribly wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Maybe don't get it completely wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So he said, they're going to be uh reevaluating that,
and it won't just be simply an evaluation of oh,
these calories good, these calories whatever, the number of calories in,
the number of calories out. It might actually give you
some nuance about processed foods versus whole foods and what
that means. So I look forward to a little bit
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of based nutrition coming to the FDA. So that was
one of his announcements.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, as I was preparing for our conversation, I
was googling kind of what he's been up to. And
it's interesting because a lot of the media outlets are
trying to tie him to, you know, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy,
And I get that Kennedy has some more controversial views,
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but mccuerie, to me, is very much a trustworthy kind
of person. He doesn't say anything KOOKI, he doesn't. He's
a very solid guy. So the fact that a lot
of these news outlets, and they've been doing this to him,
obviously since COVID, have been trying to turn him into
a questionable character, is appalling because he is such a
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solid person.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And I looked up his bio.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He's obviously he's a surgeon, a public policy researcher, researcher,
he was at Johns Hopkins. He used to write for
the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, and he
had two New York Times best selling books.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
He was in the.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Leadership of the WHO, and he was elected to the
National Academy of Medicine.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
He was all of these things and so many.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Other things, visiting professor at all these medical schools, published
two hundred and fifty peer reviewed scientific articles, et cetera,
et cetera. And so I think that it's important to
defend this man when the mob will continue to come
for him and say he's you know, he's kind of cooky.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, well, to your point, he actually answers a question
from Megan Kelly about autism rates. And now this is
a perfect contrast where RFK got in trouble this weekend
for saying something that's pretty like pretty ham handed about
autism as he has a way of doing, whereas the
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MACKERI is like, Hey, so if I had to posit
a theory, this is what it might entail. And you know,
we bombard our microbiome with all of these chemicals. We
really haven't studied a bunch of them, and there may
be some ways that those interact that cause differences. And
we've seen differences in these studies between children affected by
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autism and others who are not. And so that would
be something that I would look into, and I think
that Jay Batcharia has announced that we will be looking into,
like that is a measured, scientifically based answer that gives
a little bit of insight to people who don't follow
this that gives a little bit of hope to those
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who might want this looked at in a critical way,
and to me, he is He's always struck me as
somebody who is just interested in evaluating evidence and is
brave enough to talk about things that might be outside
the approved topics that you know, Anthony Fauci up until recently,
was in charge.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Of approving that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I appreciate that. The last and perhaps most splashy one
I believe we have a clip of him talking to
Megan Kelly about this FDA way of doing things that
will be changing.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
We want American pharmer companies to do well and companies
that do business in the United States to do well,
but the scientific evaluation needs to be independent, and that's
why today we're announcing we're removing industry members pharma members
from FDA advisory committees. I was shocked what I learned
that employees of big pharmer companies sit on FDA advisory
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committees as members of those committees.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So we're going to be.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Replacing them whenever statutorily possible. With patients and family givers,
family caregivers, we are going to be inviting pharma companies
to center representatives to the advisory committees, but they can
sit with the rest of the public and watch and
post questions as the rest of the American public can.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That seems like such an obvious thing to do.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I you know, in our world, I just feel
like I'm probably more of a pharma defender than most people.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
First couple of.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Jobs out of college were at pharmaceutical companies in their
legal departments. I don't see them as, you know, the
evil empire, and I, you know, I definitely have my
problems with a lot of the things that they do,
but I just don't see them as this great evil.
The fact that they were allowed to be involved in
FDA policy is wild to me.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yes, I think this is one of those instances of
the wait what are we doing the fact, which is
like when people like an Elon Musk or a Marty
McCary come in and say, yeah, we're going to make
a change to the way we're doing this thing, and
a bunch of people go, wait, that's how we were
doing that. That seems bad. Now, people who are MAHA
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or who are interested in these conflicts of interest have
known this for a while, but a lot of people
would probably be like, wait, yeah, we definitely shouldn't have
those people doing those particular jobs, right, And look, I
understand I'm with you that I'm a sort of medium
on pharma. I used to be more of a booster,
and I think they do some amazing things and come
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up with amazing treatments for various things. However, I do
want room for looking at health holistically, for looking at
nutrition holistically. To use a hippie adjective, but you know
what I'm saying, like, just like there are things that
might be at the root of the problem instead of
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just treating the symptoms, that would do people better, right,
And so I think I think this change in particular
could be very interesting and would change the way that
things are regulated and the way that things come to
the foe. He also noted that when it was comes
to the food pyramid, the government, the FDA have you know,
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basically partnered with the industries that make the processed food
or the farming industries or whatever interests are there to
make these decisions. Like, I don't find this surprising because
I have followed government and how it operates for many years.
But a lot of people will be like, yeah, it
seems like a it seems like a bad idea. Maybe
we should do it independently of those forces. So I
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appreciate his his take on these things. And like, like
you said, Carol, I think there's going to be an
ongoing effort to tie anyone who's doing interesting things under
the HHS directly to RFK. And look, he's their boss.
But these are people, these are men in their own right.
Jabaditaria another one who have great reputations and who I
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think deal seriously with the facts exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So I love the seriousness of him, and I love
would love to see what they do next.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
We shall see.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Do you know what the biggest story of the week is.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Carol, I'm sure it's very controversial.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, you know, one of the issues in a Trump administration. Look,
there's a lot of stuff that happens regardless, like and
you're going from the pace of a Biden administration to
a Trump administration, which is why you know, you and
I have to take a break over the weekend and
then catch up. But like, there is something to that.
But as I've always said, with the media in a
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Trump administration, they get themselves ratcheted up to such a
degree about every story that it ends up not making
sense which ones are important, which ones are Yet again, Carol,
in this administration, as it was last time, the Easter
egg role at the White.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
House is a thing, right, the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Carol, because when a Republican is in office, particularly Trump,
we got to make an issue of this very silly
event that happens on the White House lawn. This year,
the New York Times headline is Easter eggs are it's
attached to this, to this story. But the Easter eggs
are so expensive. Americans are dying potatoes, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I heard that, and I was like, I don't think
potatoes are cheaper than eggs.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No. And here's the thing that's not real, right, what
they're taking a tongue in cheek TikTok video and turning
it into the thesis of a New York Times piece
because someone was like, ha haa, eggs are expensive, so
we're painting potatoes right then the DNC is like, aha,
the White House has ordered thirty thousand dollars worth of
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eggs for the role when Americans are dying potatoes. And
thus we have the controversy of the Easter eggs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The biggest story ever.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We should all clearly be caught, you know, focusing our
attention on Milania's soft yellow trench quat.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, I mean, look, the woman knows the coat.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Okay, he is just she really is perfection.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's so ridiculous that she could knock out every outfit
every single time.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah. Could I give you a quick flashback to twenty seventeen.
I flagged this and wrote it in when Trump was
elected the first time. This is a quote from the
New York Times. Could this White House, plagued by slow
hiring and lacking an on site first lady, managed to
pull off the largest, most elaborate, and most heavily scrutinized
public event of the year. This is the central question
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of a lengthy news story printed in the New York
Times this week. What might you ask? Is the largest,
most elaborate, and most heavily scrutinized public of end of
the year. It is indeed asserted as fact the White
House Easter egg roll.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It just that is bananas, and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Funny, mind blowing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's also it's funny because all I.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Remember of the Biden Easter events is one where the
Easter Bunny had to pull him.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Away from people.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, the Easter Bunny got between him and like a
media member. I mean it was everybody was like, who
is in the Easter bunny costume that has that kind
of sway over the president. And then of course where
the trans people lifted up their shirts and showed well, yeah,
that was.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A good one what they got.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Yeah, by the way, those those little mishaps not a story, no, obviously,
but the idea that Milania Trump might have dropped the
ball in twenty seventeen because Malania Trump, of course, has
no idea how to host an event being Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, we learn in this story, by the way, that
even Curious George and Elmo did not know for sure
that the East Easter egg role was happening until late
last month, and the coordinating Yogi for the yoga garden,
a tradition of the Obama years, had not been contacted.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
How that is the controversy.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There were also anonymous sources who spoke to the Times
for that twenty seventeen story like this is we're doing
it again.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It looked like just such an old fashioned Easter egg hunt.
I really Trump coloring with the kids the other thing.
And I know we didn't cueue this up to talk about,
so I don't want to just throw this at you.
But is Trump getting more religious? Is he getting more religious?
Or is this my imagination? I feel like he mentions
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Jesus more often. I would have said this is not
a religious man before, and I really think he's changed
since the shooting since I think.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
There's a there's a little of that. To be sure,
he still says happy Easter. We need God. The losers
also need God.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Listen, He's still Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Just because Jesus into your life doesn't mean you change personalities.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I have never been to the White House Easter egg
roll atty I well, can I be honest? I haven't gone.
But part of the reason not part of these Maybe
I'm rationalizing because everyone's having fun without me. But I
do think that like getting your kids dressed up and
standing in a security line, and then, particularly when they're
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very young, I think I would just wait till mine
are a little older, particularly when they're very young, to
go into the White House lawn and then hope that
they behave themselves. Should a president come over and talk
to them, is just a lot. That's a lot, knows
what my children would say.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, I had had during the first Trump administration. A
friend of mine was in the in the administration and
she had gotten us a private White House tour. And
my youngest son, he's now nine, so somebody has to
do math. I think he was like three at the time.
Cracked his face like he fell right outside.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
The Oval office and bled all over the driveway, and
all the pictures from that day or him and his
like little suit with like a.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
By Oh bless is hard. Oh yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But someday, maybe when they got a few more years
on the little babies, we will do that. But yes,
this is yet another situation where we make a deal
out of something that isn't a deal, and then people
can't trust you on other stories. Although I will say
the freak out does seem slightly less than twenty seventeen. Trump,
for his part, By the way, did mention to the cameras.
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Hey remember when Biden had to get led around by
the Easter Bunny? Not me, not this way.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One more thing. Yeah, I do think this is important.
Did you see that there's an upgraded Easter Bunny? At
the Easter egg Roll.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That is a good looking Easter Bunny.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He looks brand new. He's like a light brown color.
Somebody joked he has no glasses like the old one did.
The old one was like a very freaky white, fluffy
bunny with the glasses kind of crossed eyes. Sean Spicer
used to dress up in that costume that's from Back
in the Bush Ears. This one is updated, like a
light brown color. Someone joked that he got lasick in
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a tan because he has no glasses. And yeah, looking
good with a green coat on. Adorable, very springy. I'm
sure there will be a hard hitting story on how
much money we spent on that costume.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hey, the Easter Bunny gotta glow up. I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Those goes after the Easter Bunny next in the New
York Times. Anyway, Easter dragg rollill have fun, everybody, Yeah,
enjoy It's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We're going to take a short break and come right.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Back with normally last story.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Am I keeping it light today as everyone gets back
into the swing of things at work. DHS Secretary Christy
Nome had her bag stolen over the weekend from a
DC restaurant and it is kind of an interesting story
because well, the New York Post has all the best details.
Security footage reviewed by the Secret Service showed a white
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man in an N ninety five surgical mask, dark pants,
a fur type collar and a ball cap snatching GNOME's
bag before leaving the restaurant. I don't really know what
a fur type collar is.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Hmm. Interesting. It's a strange choice, one that Milania Trump
wouldn't make.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And she did, it would look flawless, that's true.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
The Post also says.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It was a Louis Vuitton Clement's purse, and I was like, wait,
isn't that a wallet? And I looked it up and
that is a wallet. So as we're about to read
all the contents, it's almost like confusing. I mean, they
might be they might have gotten the name of the
purse wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, here's the thing. They should have consulted Carol Marcowitz,
pers expert, clearly before they reported this.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. I don't know how they're even running this story
without talking to me. But she had a lot of
stuff in what appears to be this little wallet mm hmmm,
including three thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Three thousand, but I heard her rumor that the restaurant
was Capital Burger, which is an interesting choice. What is why?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Why is it an interesting choice for those of us
who don't.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Live in I just was expecting maybe something a little
more fancy pants, right, But particularly if you have three
thousand dollars in your Yes, do you have three thousand
dollars in your purse?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Carol?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I will say that I am a rare person that
probably has had three thousand dollars in my purse.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Because I'm a poker player and you can only take home.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So but the days that I am carrying my poker
winnings to my home, I can tell you I I
am on guard with that money in my wile. And
we talked about this on a previous episode. But I'm
already kind of crazy, like I do not take my
hand off of my bag. My bag has to be
touching me at all times. I'm not blaming her, obviously not.
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No one's blaming the victim here. It's just an interesting
detail that she had three thousand dollars and somehow this
bag that taken away.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So I'm I'm one of those like sad people. I
think we've discussed this dynamic before we're if somebody's getting tipped,
it's only if my husband is there, Like do you
have a QR code or do I have my husband?
Those are the two ways, m yeah, because otherwise there
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are hair bows and mechanical pencils in my purse, like
that's not it's not the same fair as as Christina.
I do think for the thief DHS secretary, like not
not the one you want to rob. That seems like
a mistake because I feel like they have a lot
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of resources to bring to bear, particularly because her badges
were in there that mag which is no good. But yeah,
I my the contents of my bad currently are a
book about COVID because still I'm still mad brod my calendar.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Which let's give them a shout out. Who is it?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
This is? Actually it's a book from Chap Peterson, who
was the one rogue Democrat state senator in Virginia about
his fight against his own party to uh to put
some of those ideas to rest. I have a hair
brush and some clariton, so yeah not oh and some goldfish.
Not a not a lucrative steal for anyone, partly because
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I left my laptop at home on my trip to
New York today.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So yeah, yeah, in my small bag, I have two
lip glasses, my wallet, my house keys and car keys,
and three packs of matches from the last three restaurants
that I went. If you have matches, I am taking them.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yep. Well, and then whoever gets your purse from your
clutches would have plenty of matches at your disposal. Now
I hope they catch the guy. I assume they probably will. Again,
a lot of resources to bring to bear, and there
seems like there's a footage of this person.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Right in his little fur collars.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Also, her whole makeup bag was stolen, and I just
say that is a real pain to replace.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yes, that is such a bummer.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That is actually I'm like, the badges, that's tough, apartment keys, okay,
passport that's annoying.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the makeup bag.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
The makeup bag. Do you realize the work that goes
into this.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's years of effort. It's not like a one day
shopping trip.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
No, this is a this is a treasured a treasured thing. Yeah,
curated collection, that's right, yep. Well, yeah, we hope it's
returned to her, by the way it should should remind
every one of the dangers of dining in DC. Watch
out safe.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah yeah, stay safe out there, friends. Well, thanks for
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Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I am Carol Marco. It's him Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How was your weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
It was good. We had a lovely easter. No one
fought too much over any particular color of egg. And
I got all of my children to look at the
camera ish one time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So that is a wild success.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Actually, I mean the ish is doing some work in
that sentence, but it's a picture of all four of them.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We visited the West coast of Florida, the Gulf of America.
It was a birthday weekend trip for me and it
was very, very nice. I had not seen a lot
of the West coast before.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It was really beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But the best part of my trip was that I
largely disconnected from the Internet. I still used Instagram a
little bit. I use it to get recommendations and things,
and Instagram is just a happy place for me. Getting
back on X today has been like returning to a
mental asylum. It's like, oh God, I remember this, this
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is the crazy people live.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I did the same thing because you know, it's Easter weekend,
I'm with my family. My kids are on spring break,
and I like to actually hang out with them. And
if you're on the social media too much, you will
tempt yourself into just like getting distracted and floating away
or getting really stressed out. And so I did not
do that. So I have also been sort of picking
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up whatever threads are here.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's hard when I got that reacclimated. You know, a
lot of the time, I start thinking like, well, maybe
I'll just stay off for a little bit. But obviously
our jobs and our general world exists on these platforms,
and mostly X for me, I mean, that's the one
that that's the one I have the hardest time quitting
and then the hardest time coming back to.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But you know, I.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's I really appreciate the breaks. And I think that
if you're listening and you are angry at just what
you saw on your social media feed on any given day,
take a break, you know, just gonna take it off
your Phone's that's kind of my big piece of advice,
because my finger automatically opens it all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, you'll notice real fast if you take it off
your phone, how big your addiction is.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, because when your finger is clicking the blank space.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That's what I always say, like when your fingers like
where did this go?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yes? It also turns out like you can do a
bunch of stuff in a day if you don't have
your phone. Like my kids and I made a pillowcase
for a throw pillow, and I was like, look at me,
I'm a trad wife in one day when I put
my phone down. Amazing, Well, patriotic pillowcase too. Look at
(03:03):
my la.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I'm just supposed a picture of that on X. Well,
let's get into the news. Marty mcquerie is at the
FDA and he is making some changes and I like it.
I like a lot of things that he's doing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, he talked to Megan Kelly last week. And I
also enjoyed that a lot of these officials are giving
their first interviews and in depth interviews to non traditional
media sources. So yeah, McCarry has talked to Megan Kelly.
I believe Senator Centuary of State Rubio spoke to Catherine Herridge,
(03:41):
who is independent now his first big interview, Usha Vance,
the second Lady, spoke to the Free Press. So I
like this direction and Marty, I shouldn't call him that
excuse me. The FDA head doctor McCarroll I have been
a fan of for quite some time and was a
(04:02):
you know, reasonable voice during the COVID years, which were
you know, few and far between in the in the
recognized sort of medical expert community, and so I appreciated
him very much. He talked about a couple things. Uh
Number one one of my favorite uh bugaboos, which is
the food pyramid devised by the federal government. Yeah, they're
(04:24):
going to throw that out the window, which love it. Look,
I'm not even sure that they should be dictating and
telling people what is healthy and what is not, But
as long as they're going to do it, they should
maybe not do it so horribly wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Maybe don't get it completely wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So he said, they're going to be uh reevaluating that,
and it won't just be simply an evaluation of oh,
these calories good, these calories whatever, the number of calories in,
the number of calories out. It might actually give you
some nuance about processed foods versus whole foods and what
that means. So I look forward to a little bit
(05:08):
of based nutrition coming to the FDA. So that was
one of his announcements.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, as I was preparing for our conversation, I
was googling kind of what he's been up to. And
it's interesting because a lot of the media outlets are
trying to tie him to, you know, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy,
And I get that Kennedy has some more controversial views,
(05:37):
but mccuerie, to me, is very much a trustworthy kind
of person. He doesn't say anything KOOKI, he doesn't. He's
a very solid guy. So the fact that a lot
of these news outlets, and they've been doing this to him,
obviously since COVID, have been trying to turn him into
a questionable character, is appalling because he is such a
(06:00):
solid person.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And I looked up his bio.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He's obviously he's a surgeon, a public policy researcher, researcher,
he was at Johns Hopkins. He used to write for
the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, and he
had two New York Times best selling books.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
He was in the.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Leadership of the WHO, and he was elected to the
National Academy of Medicine.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
He was all of these things and so many.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Other things, visiting professor at all these medical schools, published
two hundred and fifty peer reviewed scientific articles, et cetera,
et cetera. And so I think that it's important to
defend this man when the mob will continue to come
for him and say he's you know, he's kind of cooky.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, well, to your point, he actually answers a question
from Megan Kelly about autism rates. And now this is
a perfect contrast where RFK got in trouble this weekend
for saying something that's pretty like pretty ham handed about
autism as he has a way of doing, whereas the
(07:05):
MACKERI is like, Hey, so if I had to posit
a theory, this is what it might entail. And you know,
we bombard our microbiome with all of these chemicals. We
really haven't studied a bunch of them, and there may
be some ways that those interact that cause differences. And
we've seen differences in these studies between children affected by
(07:26):
autism and others who are not. And so that would
be something that I would look into, and I think
that Jay Batcharia has announced that we will be looking into,
like that is a measured, scientifically based answer that gives
a little bit of insight to people who don't follow
this that gives a little bit of hope to those
(07:46):
who might want this looked at in a critical way,
and to me, he is He's always struck me as
somebody who is just interested in evaluating evidence and is
brave enough to talk about things that might be outside
the approved topics that you know, Anthony Fauci up until recently,
was in charge.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Of approving that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I appreciate that. The last and perhaps most splashy one
I believe we have a clip of him talking to
Megan Kelly about this FDA way of doing things that
will be changing.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
We want American pharmer companies to do well and companies
that do business in the United States to do well,
but the scientific evaluation needs to be independent, and that's
why today we're announcing we're removing industry members pharma members
from FDA advisory committees. I was shocked what I learned
that employees of big pharmer companies sit on FDA advisory
(08:41):
committees as members of those committees.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So we're going to be.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Replacing them whenever statutorily possible. With patients and family givers,
family caregivers, we are going to be inviting pharma companies
to center representatives to the advisory committees, but they can
sit with the rest of the public and watch and
post questions as the rest of the American public can.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That seems like such an obvious thing to do.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I you know, in our world, I just feel
like I'm probably more of a pharma defender than most people.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
First couple of.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Jobs out of college were at pharmaceutical companies in their
legal departments. I don't see them as, you know, the
evil empire, and I, you know, I definitely have my
problems with a lot of the things that they do,
but I just don't see them as this great evil.
The fact that they were allowed to be involved in
FDA policy is wild to me.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yes, I think this is one of those instances of
the wait what are we doing the fact, which is
like when people like an Elon Musk or a Marty
McCary come in and say, yeah, we're going to make
a change to the way we're doing this thing, and
a bunch of people go, wait, that's how we were
doing that. That seems bad. Now, people who are MAHA
(10:00):
or who are interested in these conflicts of interest have
known this for a while, but a lot of people
would probably be like, wait, yeah, we definitely shouldn't have
those people doing those particular jobs, right, And look, I
understand I'm with you that I'm a sort of medium
on pharma. I used to be more of a booster,
and I think they do some amazing things and come
(10:21):
up with amazing treatments for various things. However, I do
want room for looking at health holistically, for looking at
nutrition holistically. To use a hippie adjective, but you know
what I'm saying, like, just like there are things that
might be at the root of the problem instead of
(10:42):
just treating the symptoms, that would do people better, right,
And so I think I think this change in particular
could be very interesting and would change the way that
things are regulated and the way that things come to
the foe. He also noted that when it was comes
to the food pyramid, the government, the FDA have you know,
(11:05):
basically partnered with the industries that make the processed food
or the farming industries or whatever interests are there to
make these decisions. Like, I don't find this surprising because
I have followed government and how it operates for many years.
But a lot of people will be like, yeah, it
seems like a it seems like a bad idea. Maybe
we should do it independently of those forces. So I
(11:28):
appreciate his his take on these things. And like, like
you said, Carol, I think there's going to be an
ongoing effort to tie anyone who's doing interesting things under
the HHS directly to RFK. And look, he's their boss.
But these are people, these are men in their own right.
Jabaditaria another one who have great reputations and who I
(11:51):
think deal seriously with the facts exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So I love the seriousness of him, and I love
would love to see what they do next.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
We shall see.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Do you know what the biggest story of the week is.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Carol, I'm sure it's very controversial.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, you know, one of the issues in a Trump administration. Look,
there's a lot of stuff that happens regardless, like and
you're going from the pace of a Biden administration to
a Trump administration, which is why you know, you and
I have to take a break over the weekend and
then catch up. But like, there is something to that.
But as I've always said, with the media in a
(12:32):
Trump administration, they get themselves ratcheted up to such a
degree about every story that it ends up not making
sense which ones are important, which ones are Yet again, Carol,
in this administration, as it was last time, the Easter
egg role at the White.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
House is a thing, right, the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Carol, because when a Republican is in office, particularly Trump,
we got to make an issue of this very silly
event that happens on the White House lawn. This year,
the New York Times headline is Easter eggs are it's
attached to this, to this story. But the Easter eggs
are so expensive. Americans are dying potatoes, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I heard that, and I was like, I don't think
potatoes are cheaper than eggs.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No. And here's the thing that's not real, right, what
they're taking a tongue in cheek TikTok video and turning
it into the thesis of a New York Times piece
because someone was like, ha haa, eggs are expensive, so
we're painting potatoes right then the DNC is like, aha,
the White House has ordered thirty thousand dollars worth of
(13:48):
eggs for the role when Americans are dying potatoes. And
thus we have the controversy of the Easter eggs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The biggest story ever.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We should all clearly be caught, you know, focusing our
attention on Milania's soft yellow trench quat.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, I mean, look, the woman knows the coat.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Okay, he is just she really is perfection.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's so ridiculous that she could knock out every outfit
every single time.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah. Could I give you a quick flashback to twenty seventeen.
I flagged this and wrote it in when Trump was
elected the first time. This is a quote from the
New York Times. Could this White House, plagued by slow
hiring and lacking an on site first lady, managed to
pull off the largest, most elaborate, and most heavily scrutinized
public event of the year. This is the central question
(14:42):
of a lengthy news story printed in the New York
Times this week. What might you ask? Is the largest,
most elaborate, and most heavily scrutinized public of end of
the year. It is indeed asserted as fact the White
House Easter egg roll.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It just that is bananas, and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Funny, mind blowing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's also it's funny because all I.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Remember of the Biden Easter events is one where the
Easter Bunny had to pull him.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Away from people.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, the Easter Bunny got between him and like a
media member. I mean it was everybody was like, who
is in the Easter bunny costume that has that kind
of sway over the president. And then of course where
the trans people lifted up their shirts and showed well, yeah,
that was.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A good one what they got.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Yeah, by the way, those those little mishaps not a story, no, obviously,
but the idea that Milania Trump might have dropped the
ball in twenty seventeen because Malania Trump, of course, has
no idea how to host an event being Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, we learn in this story, by the way, that
even Curious George and Elmo did not know for sure
that the East Easter egg role was happening until late
last month, and the coordinating Yogi for the yoga garden,
a tradition of the Obama years, had not been contacted.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
How that is the controversy.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There were also anonymous sources who spoke to the Times
for that twenty seventeen story like this is we're doing
it again.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It looked like just such an old fashioned Easter egg hunt.
I really Trump coloring with the kids the other thing.
And I know we didn't cueue this up to talk about,
so I don't want to just throw this at you.
But is Trump getting more religious? Is he getting more religious?
Or is this my imagination? I feel like he mentions
(16:40):
Jesus more often. I would have said this is not
a religious man before, and I really think he's changed
since the shooting since I think.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
There's a there's a little of that. To be sure,
he still says happy Easter. We need God. The losers
also need God.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Listen, He's still Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Just because Jesus into your life doesn't mean you change personalities.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I have never been to the White House Easter egg
roll atty I well, can I be honest? I haven't gone.
But part of the reason not part of these Maybe
I'm rationalizing because everyone's having fun without me. But I
do think that like getting your kids dressed up and
standing in a security line, and then, particularly when they're
(17:30):
very young, I think I would just wait till mine
are a little older, particularly when they're very young, to
go into the White House lawn and then hope that
they behave themselves. Should a president come over and talk
to them, is just a lot. That's a lot, knows
what my children would say.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, I had had during the first Trump administration. A
friend of mine was in the in the administration and
she had gotten us a private White House tour. And
my youngest son, he's now nine, so somebody has to
do math. I think he was like three at the time.
Cracked his face like he fell right outside.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
The Oval office and bled all over the driveway, and
all the pictures from that day or him and his
like little suit with like a.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
By Oh bless is hard. Oh yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But someday, maybe when they got a few more years
on the little babies, we will do that. But yes,
this is yet another situation where we make a deal
out of something that isn't a deal, and then people
can't trust you on other stories. Although I will say
the freak out does seem slightly less than twenty seventeen. Trump,
for his part, By the way, did mention to the cameras.
(18:44):
Hey remember when Biden had to get led around by
the Easter Bunny? Not me, not this way.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One more thing. Yeah, I do think this is important.
Did you see that there's an upgraded Easter Bunny? At
the Easter egg Roll.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That is a good looking Easter Bunny.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He looks brand new. He's like a light brown color.
Somebody joked he has no glasses like the old one did.
The old one was like a very freaky white, fluffy
bunny with the glasses kind of crossed eyes. Sean Spicer
used to dress up in that costume that's from Back
in the Bush Ears. This one is updated, like a
light brown color. Someone joked that he got lasick in
(19:22):
a tan because he has no glasses. And yeah, looking
good with a green coat on. Adorable, very springy. I'm
sure there will be a hard hitting story on how
much money we spent on that costume.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hey, the Easter Bunny gotta glow up. I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Those goes after the Easter Bunny next in the New
York Times. Anyway, Easter dragg rollill have fun, everybody, Yeah,
enjoy It's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We're going to take a short break and come right.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Back with normally last story.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Am I keeping it light today as everyone gets back
into the swing of things at work. DHS Secretary Christy
Nome had her bag stolen over the weekend from a
DC restaurant and it is kind of an interesting story
because well, the New York Post has all the best details.
Security footage reviewed by the Secret Service showed a white
(20:19):
man in an N ninety five surgical mask, dark pants,
a fur type collar and a ball cap snatching GNOME's
bag before leaving the restaurant. I don't really know what
a fur type collar is.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Hmm. Interesting. It's a strange choice, one that Milania Trump
wouldn't make.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And she did, it would look flawless, that's true.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
The Post also says.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It was a Louis Vuitton Clement's purse, and I was like, wait,
isn't that a wallet? And I looked it up and
that is a wallet. So as we're about to read
all the contents, it's almost like confusing. I mean, they
might be they might have gotten the name of the
purse wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, here's the thing. They should have consulted Carol Marcowitz,
pers expert, clearly before they reported this.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. I don't know how they're even running this story
without talking to me. But she had a lot of
stuff in what appears to be this little wallet mm hmmm,
including three thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Three thousand, but I heard her rumor that the restaurant
was Capital Burger, which is an interesting choice. What is why?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Why is it an interesting choice for those of us
who don't.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Live in I just was expecting maybe something a little
more fancy pants, right, But particularly if you have three
thousand dollars in your Yes, do you have three thousand
dollars in your purse?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Carol?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I will say that I am a rare person that
probably has had three thousand dollars in my purse.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Because I'm a poker player and you can only take home.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So but the days that I am carrying my poker
winnings to my home, I can tell you I I
am on guard with that money in my wile. And
we talked about this on a previous episode. But I'm
already kind of crazy, like I do not take my
hand off of my bag. My bag has to be
touching me at all times. I'm not blaming her, obviously not.
(22:14):
No one's blaming the victim here. It's just an interesting
detail that she had three thousand dollars and somehow this
bag that taken away.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So I'm I'm one of those like sad people. I
think we've discussed this dynamic before we're if somebody's getting tipped,
it's only if my husband is there, Like do you
have a QR code or do I have my husband?
Those are the two ways, m yeah, because otherwise there
(22:43):
are hair bows and mechanical pencils in my purse, like
that's not it's not the same fair as as Christina.
I do think for the thief DHS secretary, like not
not the one you want to rob. That seems like
a mistake because I feel like they have a lot
(23:05):
of resources to bring to bear, particularly because her badges
were in there that mag which is no good. But yeah,
I my the contents of my bad currently are a
book about COVID because still I'm still mad brod my calendar.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Which let's give them a shout out. Who is it?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
This is? Actually it's a book from Chap Peterson, who
was the one rogue Democrat state senator in Virginia about
his fight against his own party to uh to put
some of those ideas to rest. I have a hair
brush and some clariton, so yeah not oh and some goldfish.
Not a not a lucrative steal for anyone, partly because
(23:54):
I left my laptop at home on my trip to
New York today.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So yeah, yeah, in my small bag, I have two
lip glasses, my wallet, my house keys and car keys,
and three packs of matches from the last three restaurants
that I went. If you have matches, I am taking them.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yep. Well, and then whoever gets your purse from your
clutches would have plenty of matches at your disposal. Now
I hope they catch the guy. I assume they probably will. Again,
a lot of resources to bring to bear, and there
seems like there's a footage of this person.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Right in his little fur collars.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Also, her whole makeup bag was stolen, and I just
say that is a real pain to replace.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yes, that is such a bummer.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That is actually I'm like, the badges, that's tough, apartment keys, okay,
passport that's annoying.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the makeup bag.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
The makeup bag. Do you realize the work that goes
into this.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's years of effort. It's not like a one day
shopping trip.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
No, this is a this is a treasured a treasured thing. Yeah,
curated collection, that's right, yep. Well, yeah, we hope it's
returned to her, by the way it should should remind
every one of the dangers of dining in DC. Watch
out safe.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah yeah, stay safe out there, friends. Well, thanks for
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