March 20, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the Dems hate of Tesla and Elon Musk, the success of SpaceX's rescue of NASA astronauts, the challenges facing the Democratic Party, the shifting demographics of young voters, the Harry Sisson drama, and the ongoing controversies surrounding Disney's upcoming Snow White movie. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey guys, and welcome back to normally the show with
normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am
Mary Katherine.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ham, I'm Carol Marcowitz. How are you doing over there?
Mary Catherine. We had a whole conversation off air just
now about how freezing we are in Florida.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Do you feel sorry for us with our like sixty
seven degrees?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I don't feel sorry for you. In sixty seven degrees,
I'm gonna be walking out my door in a bikini, like, Hey,
everybody's summer's hair, so look out for that.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our producers also from Florida, and he and I were
chatting about how it's been a very cold winter and
we haven't gotten to the beach nearly as much as
we wanted to.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So I hope that things improve for you. I do,
thank you, Thank you for caring. You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So we got a lot going on today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
People keep blowing up Tesla's and Democrats don't seem to
have a problem with this because Elon Musk is bad.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes, and actually not only do they not have a
problem with it, Jimmy Kimmel sort of joked about it
on his comedy show.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
She just air quoted comedy show, which is exactly how
you have to do it when talking about Jimmy Kimmel,
He's like the angriest little man ever.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah. And then meanwhile Tim Walls, former vice presidential nominee
current I think still governor of Minnesota, is doing a
sort of a barnstorming tour of his own, and he
had this to say about Tesla on the road, speaking
to the base of the Democratic.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Party, staying on my phone. I don't some of me
know this on the iPhone. They've got that little stock app.
I added Tesla tude to give me a little boost
during the day two five and dropping. So, and if
you own one, If you own one, we're not blaming you.
(02:01):
You can take dental floss and pull the Tesla thing off,
you know, and take out of just.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Telling you that is a weird dude.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I am just baffled that they went with that guy
as the vice presidential nominee while calling the other side weird.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He's just odd.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah. I think they just saw a football guy who
can talk on TV, and we're like, dudes, like football,
let's go with that. He's calling jd Vance weird. We
also don't like jd Vance nailed. So he's out trying
to drum up support or become the leader of the
Democratic Party perhaps, But just add.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
He during the campaign specifically said he does not own
any stocks or bonds, and he was very proud of
that fact. And now he's celebrating stock dropping of an
American company, and I just want to sorry, just one
add side point to the stock thing. I tweeted this today,
but a year ago test stock was one hundred and
(03:01):
seventy one dollars a share. Today, after a three month
decline from a tie of four seventy nine in December,
it's at two twenty five. And I tweeted, may all
of my stocks collapse with a thirty percent increase year
over year. I would be very happy with that outcome
for any stock I buy.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah. I mean, look, I've had my issues with plenty
of American companies before. I remember Costco and Target at
times have annoyed me. But it does seem weird as
a person who wants to be a leader of the
country and is hoping for economic good for everyone to
trash an American company and delight in what he sees
(03:43):
as a failure. That's what true says as you point
out that is that Tesla's not failing. In fact, it
creates really good products that people like. I'm sure Elon
Musk calculated that there would be some political backlash to
his alignment with Donald Trump, but again, the product is good.
(04:03):
It is a cool and high performing electric car, which
is what lefties used to like. So now they're setting
them on fire. But the contrast to me of sort
of delighting in the travails of Tesla or just straight
up vandalizing property versus what Elon Musk's SpaceX did yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Oh, it is amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The contrast is so bad for Democrats, and I just
want to celebrate that there was something to celebrate this
week because there were two astronauts Butch Wilmore and Sunny Williams,
who went up in June of twenty twenty four to
the International Space Station. They went on a Boeing star Liner,
(04:52):
which is in this big sort of commercial space competition,
one of the main competitors to Elon Musk's SpaceX. They
go up in this craft, it malfunctions, so they are
stuck on the International Space Station for nine months I
think in total. In the end they were supposed to
be gone for eight days. The reason they came back
(05:17):
to Earth is because SpaceX arranged for that to happen.
It was not because of Boeing. The Boeing pod that
they were in got sent back to Earth without them
in August and they were stuck on the International Space Station.
Now there's been some dispute in the media as to
whether we should refer to these astronauts as stuck or stranded,
(05:41):
because once they realized that that looked bad for the
Biden administration and the fact that Elon might be the
one rescuing them, they decided no, no, no, no, they're
not no longer not branded. Now they're just there seven
months beyond when they were supposed to be there, Like
some like NPR and AP started switching the verbiage on
(06:03):
this for a while. At any rate, After all this,
in September of twenty twenty four, SpaceX sends up another
vehicle with two guys in it, two spaces left for
these stranded astronauts so that they can come back to Earth.
Why didn't it happen till March, That's one of the questions.
But yesterday it splashed down or two days ago, as
(06:26):
you're listening to this. The Dragon capsule created by SpaceX
splashes down with that crew they sent up in September
and the addition of the stranded astronauts Butch and Sunny.
They all come down to Earth, parachutes into the beautiful
and going to America. Uh huh off the coast of Tallahassee.
They land in the water. It's all very smooth. And
(06:50):
this is the part that got me, Carol, because I
was watching. I didn't plan to watch because these things
make me nervous. I'm not a space person because I
just get too nervous for everyone involved. The dolphins came
out of the Gulf of America to swim around the
capsule and welcome the astronauts.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Did that really happen.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That's a real thing that happened. I saw that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I thought people were like joking.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I was watching it live and I was like, and
I thought to myself, because the reason I'm nervous about
space stuff is because of Challenger. I'm a Challenger kid.
It's my first real news memory is the Challenger exploding
and Reagan talking about it. So I think it stuck
with me and I would just like to thank the
golf and the dolphins and Lisa Frank and Elon Musk
were coming together to heal my childhood drama. And I
(07:38):
was like, what a beautiful thing. So they load up
the vehicles to the boat comes to get the capsule.
They unload everybody. They're smiling their thumbs uping. This would
have been if not for our weird polarization and our
weird media consumption, these days would have been a everyone
glued to their television moment a couple like a decade ago.
(08:04):
And it's different now, partly because people don't want to
cover that Elon Musk accomplished this, but I think a
lot of people were watching in real time online, just
infractured in different groups. I saw the clip wood and.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
See the dolphins.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Dolphins were real.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I actually can't believe that, and I have to go
back and watch it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Elon was on Sean Hannity last night and he latantly
said that the Biden administration rejected letting SpaceX rescue the
astronauts last year, and he said it was for political reasons.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's just a fact.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, So, and the astronauts have been more cagy about this.
They were asked about it They're of course very excited
that Elon Musk is bringing them back to Earth, but
they said, look, I believe one of them said, I
believe Elon Musk on this point. I think it is
factual that they had a vehicle they could have come
home in starting in September of last year, which is
(09:00):
you'll note a couple months before the election day and
a couple months after Elon Musk endorsed Biden. I'm just
saying now. NASA says they didn't get word from Elon
that he was willing to do this earlier. They could
have done it earlier, and they had budgetary and logistical concerns.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Worried about that if our astronauts get stuck up at
the space station, we have budgetary problems to.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Get them back.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I feel like we should just that's one of those
we should just spend the money, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I do feel like this is one of those
things that were reporters a bit more interested in this,
and we may find out at some point there would
be some floying going on right to find out exactly
what was the timeline that Elon offered and was it
rejected for sort of fudged reasons so that this would
happen not in conjunction with election year while he's endorsing Trump.
(09:52):
I think there's a there's a fair chance that something
medium shady went on there.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It sounds like the astronauts think that though they the
female astronaut at one point said something to.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
That effect that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Elon It was stopped from bringing them home.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That seems like a problem to me. And here's here's
the thing for Democrats. And we're going to lead into
a discussion of what's ailing Democrats because some of them
are trying to face up to it is for all
of Trump's faults. If you are the party that is
cheering the destruction of Tesla's that's right, and the falling
of stocks, while another person is a quirky, amazing, almost
(10:33):
like comic book character industrialist who is bringing people back
home safely from space that NASA was unable to get
back and Boeing was unable to get back, you're going
to suffer in that comparison.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
You're going to lose to that guy. Yeah, and they are.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Every normy watches that splash down and the dolphins and
is like, Wow, I'm really glad we have this guy.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, how why wouldn't you be right? It's just you
root for America and that's.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
What you should be doing. Thank you dolphins.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And I'm going to go back and.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Rewatch that because I can't blue water dolphins like what's up?
Like it? It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Wow, We'll be right back on.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Normally the Democrats, are they in good shape or not
good shape?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's not it's not great. It's not great now, it's
so not great that at this point Ezracline sounds like
me as reclined. The long time sort of liberal leader
I believe he is a founder of Vox liberal thought
(11:47):
leader is now like, hey, uh, we're not offering people
a product that works for them, right. Cities are creating
environments where families cannot and do not want to live.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And we're going to have to stop saying we're the
good guys with the good product. If we can't offer
a good product to people.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
How are liberals taking that so great?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, this is the problem, right is Ezraklin actually
wants to talk about this problem. And he's written a
book called Abundance with a and Atlantic writer Derek Thompson,
and they spoke to Barry Weiss about this issue. So
we'll play a little clip of them chatting about this.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I do think the one thing that we're saying over
and over again in this book is that in places
where liberals have an enormous amount of power, where their
power is unmolested by Republican influence, they cannot blame Elon,
They cannot blame Trump, they cannot blame that the Republicans
in the Senate. They have the power, they're not delivering.
They're spending more per capita than any other place, but
(12:56):
they can't actually deliver results. And I think one thing
that we're seeing to go back to a question you
asked earlier where you said, are these people delusional? Are
you trying to change their minds when they leave Los
Angeles and they leave San Francisco, or are you trying to
to grab them and shake them and say no, absolutely not.
Values are right. It is the state that has failed,
and we're trying to find a way to align the
(13:18):
quality of governance with the expectations that those residents have.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, is it the lack of molestation by Republicans?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So what the problem for them is, Well, there's two things.
One talking to Barry Weiss is going to become like
ripe coded, so their advice will not be taken maybe
when it should be. And two that if your values
are correct, but the state is the problem, and the
state is the only vehicle you have ever imagined delivering
(13:51):
your promises with. Yeah, how are you going to fix
that problem? Because you might have noticed the contrast of
SpaceX and NASA in the last secon.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I don't know what they're going to suggest, because
if they've been selling this idea that first of all,
that only they could fix it, and what they need
is a republican proof government to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And some of their brighter people are pointing out, well.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We have that in some places like San Francisco and
other cities.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's failing.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I don't know how they get over that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I don't know either, And they're talking, but I do
think I need far be it from me to praise
as reclined. But since he is sounding like me lately, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Really just praising yourself. You're like, I'm so smart.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I do appreciate that he is engaging with this, right right,
they're just saying the thing that you're not supposed to say,
which is like, Hey, all these liberal cities are ours
and it's not going so great for the people we
think we are serving. And I think that is an
important part of the realization. He also talked to David Shore,
a data analyst, about his thoughts on why Democrats lost,
(15:01):
And this is in the New York Times, so you
can't write code this one, and it's like Democrats need
to face why Trump want. David Shore is a person
who I think, earlier than many came to the conclusion,
certainly earlier than many on the left came to the
conclusion that there's an education split happening between the parties,
not necessarily a race split or an ideological split. It's
(15:25):
high educated, high income people are becoming Democrats and middle
class and working class voters with lower education attainment are
becoming Republicans, right, And that is something that was very
noticeable in twenty twenty four, and they're having to engage
David Shore to try to figure this out. But David
Shore has a story of his own from twenty twenty, right.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Carol, Yeah, tell us you reminded me of this right
before we went on that he was canceled in twenty twenty.
I mean I'm sure it was really bad. I'm sure
he killed multiple people or similar right.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well, in true twenty twenty style. And this is I
think it is funny because we've covered a couple stories
where like someone canceled by the left had to be
resurrected to like, oh wait, we're seeing this person right,
we need your information now. So David Shore in twenty
twenty merely pointed out, using data analysis, which was his job,
that Nixon and Republicans during the sixties had benefited from
(16:22):
violent forms of protests. This was pretty well respected social
science research. It wasn't anything crazy. It was a fact.
What might argue that actually wasn't.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
End up working out that way for Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So it's even it's interesting that he still ended up
on personed for that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yes, sure had publicized research. This is reason reporting from
the social scientist Omar Wazau showing that violent protests tend
to backfire on progressive goals, tipping the nineteen sixty eight
election in favor of law and order candidate Richard Nixon,
for instance, whereas peaceful protests often succeed. So he was
just saying in June of twenty twenty, like we should
think about tactically what this means for us, and for
(17:01):
citing this uncontroversial thing, he was deemed very problematic, pretty racist,
and needed to be fired from his job.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So it was a crazy time. Kids.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
People got fired for stuff like that. And I don't
know did the left learn their lesson? You know, it's
interesting because you actually said the line. You know, they're
not allowed to say things. There's still not allowed to
say certain things. There's still very much guarded what they're
allowed to say. I'm sure the memory of these firings
and cancelations and all that it has.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To be fresh for them.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That a lot of people on the left are afraid
to say what they believe to be the truth.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah. Well, and good on David Shore, by the way,
for being willing to continue to talk about the data,
even in the New York Times where he's probably going
to get backlash from their readers. And he points out,
among other things, he said, this is the thing I'm
most talked by in the last four years, that young
people have gone from being the most progressive generation since
the Baby Boomers. Yeah, and maybe even in some ways
(18:06):
more so to becoming potentially the most conservative generation that
we've experienced, maybe in fifty to sixty years. Right now,
I don't think they're conservative.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, what they are is clearly seeing the Democratic Party
as not an option.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
For them, right because what are the Democrats really offering
them right now? Blowing up Tesla's like you could be
mad with ed Elon Musk with us, like, yeah, it's
it's tough, and you know, he tweets like as Democrats
try to shape the story against Trump, the most effective
critiques of Trump were actually similar to the ways Democrats
(18:41):
ran against Romney. He gave a huge tax cut to
the wealthy and trying to cut programs of Social Security
and Medicare. We're in a very different time. The attacks
that landed on Romney don't touch Trump. It's a fully
different universe now.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No, And I think they're wrestling with the fact that
this they have of themselves. What was a party of
the working in middle class, that we're going to do
the best we can and help everybody exist on a
higher plane and all that stuff, and we're going to
do it with some of these rich people's money became
just like really rich elites telling everyone else what to
(19:18):
do exclusively, and those people were not interested in that.
COVID was like the distillation of that and what ends
up happening, and this is shore again, he says, I
would just say this shouldn't be all that surprising. I
think now we identify the Democratic Party as straightforwardly liberal,
a shift from where it was in the past. But
(19:39):
the Democratic Party used to be a coalition between liberals,
moderates and conservatives, and as liberals became the dominant coalition partner,
it makes sense the conservatives and moderates and the coalition
who were disproportionately non white, given that this ideological polarization
happened among whites twenty or thirty years ago, would start
to shift. That's another alarm bell for them, young people
(19:59):
and non voters shift to the right.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally. There's a story right now about a
very popular leftist influencer, Harry Sisson.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Is that am I pronouncing his name right?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No? I think you got it right.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He apparently had many online relationships with these young ladies.
I don't even want to call it relationships, because were
they relationships Mary Catherine.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, so that's the thing. So Harry, this is like
a big gossipy story on the left leaning and right
leaning media right now. Harry Sisson was like a hacky
hack hack TikTok guy. Yeah for Biden, Like whatever Biden
said was great. He was like, oh my gosh, he
was the.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Only guy who thought Biden won the debate.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
That's a great way of explaining him.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So he became very popular as like millions of followers young,
and he's young guy, he's like twenty years old. And
so some of these women come out and say, oh,
he was dming me and he was telling me we
were exclusive, and he was snapchatting me and saying that
we were an item. But it turns out he had
like twelve women he was dming and talking to. So
I dig into this because I'm like, Okay, I believe
(21:14):
that Harry Sissen is probably a player in a hypocrite
who says, as many male feminists do, I love women,
and I work for women, and I want you to
be empowered. But is he probably trashing them behind their backs? Sure,
betraying them. Sure. So I'm willing to believe that. I
go through the stories, and what I was surprised to
find is that a woman who said she'd been played
(21:37):
by this guy and that nine months in she thought
they were exclusive, but they weren't. She'd never met him, ladies,
And like, I'm look, I think you were done wrong.
Probably in some real ways. If you ever met a
man in person, you are not in an exclusive relationship
(21:58):
with him.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'd say, you're not even in a relationship with him.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, it's not real life.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Like I this is something that I think we need
to explain to our kids that if you're having just
an online relationship, that's not a relationship. But having said this,
and why I relate it back to what's going on
with Democrats is they have to live under their own rules.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
They canceled people for far less than this.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
A season, Sorry was canceled for like offering a woman
the wrong wine in his apartment, and he barely has
worked since then.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That was one of the more egregiousness that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, I called that the end of the me too era,
and I think that that was probably pretty close to correct.
But you know, as he'son Sorry was also a feminist
and also on the left and also defending all that,
and then he got caught up in it, and I'm sorry,
You're going to have to live under your own rules.
And so I have friends on Twitter, you know, saying
(22:57):
things like don't meet to this Harry system. I'm not
saying destroy this kid's life, but you made the rules,
and I think that he needs to have to play
by them too well.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And for anybody who is a public figure or who
is involved in the dming back and forth, let's all
just be real that anything you give someone is subject
to release at some point, right, so think about with
whom you are doing that, be able to vet whether
(23:29):
that person is being honest with you. This is just
like old grandma advice from me.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Kids, just assume.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Everything you tell a stranger on the Internet is going
to be public.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Live like that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But I do not mind women getting together and being
able to call out a player and say like, hey,
watch out for that one, buy or beware. I think
that's fine. Sure, let's not ruin his life. And I
think ladies just be careful who we're engaging with in
those ways. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Our last story is on the Snow White movie, which
is finally coming out after what seems like a decade
of bad press, like it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Actually has been a decade. By the way I read
the timeline, Ina.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Was it really I was gonna say it's like three years,
but twenty sixteen is when it was announced, and it
has had controversies every like year and a half since then.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So here we are, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
This movie.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So some of the controversies have been that they were
going to have little people play the dwarves, but then
somebody had a problem with that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I think Peter Dinklish had a problem, which I was everybody.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Reversed himself and said, no, we want the work. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It is completely confusing what is going on there, But
so they replaced it with CGI Dwarves. And then of
course their actress, Rachel Zegler, she plays snow White. She
has been just somebody who makes all kinds of kind
of comments to the media that end up alienating people.
(25:04):
It's just been a real bad time for them.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, and Zegler was the lead in Spielberg's remake of
West Side Story, which is how she got this gig,
and she was absolutely fantastic in that movie. There's no
reason she couldn't have been good in this one, and
yet she just kept talking about how much she disliked
the story of snow White and been all of her
(25:28):
outside politics on top of it in really gross ways
sometimes And yeah, it just hasn't gone well for the marketing.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, and the thing is with Disney, people love this brand.
I mean, we both know people who are like, really
committed to Disney in so many different ways, even people
you know, ostensibly on the right. But she in twenty
twenty two, she said that the original version of snow
White had a big focus on her love story with
a guy who literally stalks her. Weird, weird, So we
didn't want to do that this time. I was scared
(25:58):
of the original version. I think I watched it and
never picked it up again. There's nothing Disney people like
more than the original versions.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, her trashing this was a problem.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And then of course she went on after the election
to say that Trump and Trump supporters specifically should never
have a moment of peace, and then she got into
a political disagreement with Galgado over Israel and so on
and so on and so on. But you know, I.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Root for Disney. I am not like Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I am not hoping that an American company fails. I
will say that Disney stock was one hundred and fourteen
dollars a year ago. It's down twelve percent at one
hundred dollars today.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Company in trouble, and they can and should turn it around.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I hope that they do.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's very hard living three hours away from Disney World
and never taking my kids anymore because I don't trust them.
I would love to see them fix themselves, and I
would love to see them.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
See what's going on here. And this movie might have
a decent opening. They're predicting fifty million dollar weekend, which.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Is better than other movies right now, but still far
less good than other Disney releases. I'd love to see
them recover and take a saner path the way a
lot of companies are doing right now. A lot of
companies are seeing the light and saying this Wolk thing
hasn't worked out for us, and taking a saner path.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah. I mean, this is I believe the liberals call
it accountability culture. I just I just want to note
on the controversy front that the way it's framed in
Hollywood publications and in mainstream media is that Rachel Zigler
and Gal Gudaut had you know, diverging and equally loud
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political opinions. Oh, it says, from MAGA backlash to ableism
discourse to the diverging political positions of its two stars,
snow White has been plagued by enough controversy to drive
anyone to a poisoned apple. Galgadot's position is that she
is Israeli and should therefore be allowed to exist. She's
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Israelian Jewish and like those things should exist on the earth.
That's her big take.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, and she just even like say it. She just
like wants to continue existing.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
She gave a speech where the thesis of the speech
was like it shouldn't be controversial for me and Israeli
due to exist. Yeah, that's her big that's her big statement,
right right. Also, can I say that they were off
the rails on this movie from the beginning when someone
asserted to anyone that we could suspend disbelief that Galgadot
is not the hottest woman in the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Fact, Yeah, I think Actually, I also eat two things.
I think that they're trying to shift the blame over
to Gal for when this movie inevitably tanks. That's one
thing and the other thing is, and I wrote about
this for Fox, is I think they're trying to drum
up the controversy between these two actresses so that we
will go see this movie. I think it's too late
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for that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Dall's the only reason I would be there, and I do.
I think you're right, Carol, this is their chance for
a hard reset after this one.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Take it, Disney, take it. We want to go back
to Disney World. We want to trust you again. Be normal,
Just be normal this show, you know. Thanks for joining
us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you
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Speaker 3 (29:27):
Get in touch with us at.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and when
things get weird, act normally
Hey guys, and welcome back to normally the show with
normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am
Mary Katherine.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ham, I'm Carol Marcowitz. How are you doing over there?
Mary Catherine. We had a whole conversation off air just
now about how freezing we are in Florida.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Do you feel sorry for us with our like sixty
seven degrees?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I don't feel sorry for you. In sixty seven degrees,
I'm gonna be walking out my door in a bikini, like, Hey,
everybody's summer's hair, so look out for that.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our producers also from Florida, and he and I were
chatting about how it's been a very cold winter and
we haven't gotten to the beach nearly as much as
we wanted to.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So I hope that things improve for you. I do,
thank you, Thank you for caring. You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So we got a lot going on today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
People keep blowing up Tesla's and Democrats don't seem to
have a problem with this because Elon Musk is bad.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes, and actually not only do they not have a
problem with it, Jimmy Kimmel sort of joked about it
on his comedy show.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
She just air quoted comedy show, which is exactly how
you have to do it when talking about Jimmy Kimmel,
He's like the angriest little man ever.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah. And then meanwhile Tim Walls, former vice presidential nominee
current I think still governor of Minnesota, is doing a
sort of a barnstorming tour of his own, and he
had this to say about Tesla on the road, speaking
to the base of the Democratic.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Party, staying on my phone. I don't some of me
know this on the iPhone. They've got that little stock app.
I added Tesla tude to give me a little boost
during the day two five and dropping. So, and if
you own one, If you own one, we're not blaming you.
(02:01):
You can take dental floss and pull the Tesla thing off,
you know, and take out of just.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Telling you that is a weird dude.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I am just baffled that they went with that guy
as the vice presidential nominee while calling the other side weird.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He's just odd.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah. I think they just saw a football guy who
can talk on TV, and we're like, dudes, like football,
let's go with that. He's calling jd Vance weird. We
also don't like jd Vance nailed. So he's out trying
to drum up support or become the leader of the
Democratic Party perhaps, But just add.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
He during the campaign specifically said he does not own
any stocks or bonds, and he was very proud of
that fact. And now he's celebrating stock dropping of an
American company, and I just want to sorry, just one
add side point to the stock thing. I tweeted this today,
but a year ago test stock was one hundred and
(03:01):
seventy one dollars a share. Today, after a three month
decline from a tie of four seventy nine in December,
it's at two twenty five. And I tweeted, may all
of my stocks collapse with a thirty percent increase year
over year. I would be very happy with that outcome
for any stock I buy.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah. I mean, look, I've had my issues with plenty
of American companies before. I remember Costco and Target at
times have annoyed me. But it does seem weird as
a person who wants to be a leader of the
country and is hoping for economic good for everyone to
trash an American company and delight in what he sees
(03:43):
as a failure. That's what true says as you point
out that is that Tesla's not failing. In fact, it
creates really good products that people like. I'm sure Elon
Musk calculated that there would be some political backlash to
his alignment with Donald Trump, but again, the product is good.
(04:03):
It is a cool and high performing electric car, which
is what lefties used to like. So now they're setting
them on fire. But the contrast to me of sort
of delighting in the travails of Tesla or just straight
up vandalizing property versus what Elon Musk's SpaceX did yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Oh, it is amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The contrast is so bad for Democrats, and I just
want to celebrate that there was something to celebrate this
week because there were two astronauts Butch Wilmore and Sunny Williams,
who went up in June of twenty twenty four to
the International Space Station. They went on a Boeing star Liner,
(04:52):
which is in this big sort of commercial space competition,
one of the main competitors to Elon Musk's SpaceX. They
go up in this craft, it malfunctions, so they are
stuck on the International Space Station for nine months I
think in total. In the end they were supposed to
be gone for eight days. The reason they came back
(05:17):
to Earth is because SpaceX arranged for that to happen.
It was not because of Boeing. The Boeing pod that
they were in got sent back to Earth without them
in August and they were stuck on the International Space Station.
Now there's been some dispute in the media as to
whether we should refer to these astronauts as stuck or stranded,
(05:41):
because once they realized that that looked bad for the
Biden administration and the fact that Elon might be the
one rescuing them, they decided no, no, no, no, they're
not no longer not branded. Now they're just there seven
months beyond when they were supposed to be there, Like
some like NPR and AP started switching the verbiage on
(06:03):
this for a while. At any rate, After all this,
in September of twenty twenty four, SpaceX sends up another
vehicle with two guys in it, two spaces left for
these stranded astronauts so that they can come back to Earth.
Why didn't it happen till March, That's one of the questions.
But yesterday it splashed down or two days ago, as
(06:26):
you're listening to this. The Dragon capsule created by SpaceX
splashes down with that crew they sent up in September
and the addition of the stranded astronauts Butch and Sunny.
They all come down to Earth, parachutes into the beautiful
and going to America. Uh huh off the coast of Tallahassee.
They land in the water. It's all very smooth. And
(06:50):
this is the part that got me, Carol, because I
was watching. I didn't plan to watch because these things
make me nervous. I'm not a space person because I
just get too nervous for everyone involved. The dolphins came
out of the Gulf of America to swim around the
capsule and welcome the astronauts.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Did that really happen.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That's a real thing that happened. I saw that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I thought people were like joking.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I was watching it live and I was like, and
I thought to myself, because the reason I'm nervous about
space stuff is because of Challenger. I'm a Challenger kid.
It's my first real news memory is the Challenger exploding
and Reagan talking about it. So I think it stuck
with me and I would just like to thank the
golf and the dolphins and Lisa Frank and Elon Musk
were coming together to heal my childhood drama. And I
(07:38):
was like, what a beautiful thing. So they load up
the vehicles to the boat comes to get the capsule.
They unload everybody. They're smiling their thumbs uping. This would
have been if not for our weird polarization and our
weird media consumption, these days would have been a everyone
glued to their television moment a couple like a decade ago.
(08:04):
And it's different now, partly because people don't want to
cover that Elon Musk accomplished this, but I think a
lot of people were watching in real time online, just
infractured in different groups. I saw the clip wood and.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
See the dolphins.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Dolphins were real.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I actually can't believe that, and I have to go
back and watch it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Elon was on Sean Hannity last night and he latantly
said that the Biden administration rejected letting SpaceX rescue the
astronauts last year, and he said it was for political reasons.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's just a fact.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, So, and the astronauts have been more cagy about this.
They were asked about it They're of course very excited
that Elon Musk is bringing them back to Earth, but
they said, look, I believe one of them said, I
believe Elon Musk on this point. I think it is
factual that they had a vehicle they could have come
home in starting in September of last year, which is
(09:00):
you'll note a couple months before the election day and
a couple months after Elon Musk endorsed Biden. I'm just
saying now. NASA says they didn't get word from Elon
that he was willing to do this earlier. They could
have done it earlier, and they had budgetary and logistical concerns.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Worried about that if our astronauts get stuck up at
the space station, we have budgetary problems to.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Get them back.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I feel like we should just that's one of those
we should just spend the money, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I do feel like this is one of those
things that were reporters a bit more interested in this,
and we may find out at some point there would
be some floying going on right to find out exactly
what was the timeline that Elon offered and was it
rejected for sort of fudged reasons so that this would
happen not in conjunction with election year while he's endorsing Trump.
(09:52):
I think there's a there's a fair chance that something
medium shady went on there.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It sounds like the astronauts think that though they the
female astronaut at one point said something to.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
That effect that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Elon It was stopped from bringing them home.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That seems like a problem to me. And here's here's
the thing for Democrats. And we're going to lead into
a discussion of what's ailing Democrats because some of them
are trying to face up to it is for all
of Trump's faults. If you are the party that is
cheering the destruction of Tesla's that's right, and the falling
of stocks, while another person is a quirky, amazing, almost
(10:33):
like comic book character industrialist who is bringing people back
home safely from space that NASA was unable to get
back and Boeing was unable to get back, you're going
to suffer in that comparison.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
You're going to lose to that guy. Yeah, and they are.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Every normy watches that splash down and the dolphins and
is like, Wow, I'm really glad we have this guy.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, how why wouldn't you be right? It's just you
root for America and that's.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
What you should be doing. Thank you dolphins.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And I'm going to go back and.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Rewatch that because I can't blue water dolphins like what's up?
Like it? It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Wow, We'll be right back on.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Normally the Democrats, are they in good shape or not
good shape?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's not it's not great. It's not great now, it's
so not great that at this point Ezracline sounds like
me as reclined. The long time sort of liberal leader
I believe he is a founder of Vox liberal thought
(11:47):
leader is now like, hey, uh, we're not offering people
a product that works for them, right. Cities are creating
environments where families cannot and do not want to live.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And we're going to have to stop saying we're the
good guys with the good product. If we can't offer
a good product to people.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
How are liberals taking that so great?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, this is the problem, right is Ezraklin actually
wants to talk about this problem. And he's written a
book called Abundance with a and Atlantic writer Derek Thompson,
and they spoke to Barry Weiss about this issue. So
we'll play a little clip of them chatting about this.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I do think the one thing that we're saying over
and over again in this book is that in places
where liberals have an enormous amount of power, where their
power is unmolested by Republican influence, they cannot blame Elon,
They cannot blame Trump, they cannot blame that the Republicans
in the Senate. They have the power, they're not delivering.
They're spending more per capita than any other place, but
(12:56):
they can't actually deliver results. And I think one thing
that we're seeing to go back to a question you
asked earlier where you said, are these people delusional? Are
you trying to change their minds when they leave Los
Angeles and they leave San Francisco, or are you trying to
to grab them and shake them and say no, absolutely not.
Values are right. It is the state that has failed,
and we're trying to find a way to align the
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quality of governance with the expectations that those residents have.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, is it the lack of molestation by Republicans?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So what the problem for them is, Well, there's two things.
One talking to Barry Weiss is going to become like
ripe coded, so their advice will not be taken maybe
when it should be. And two that if your values
are correct, but the state is the problem, and the
state is the only vehicle you have ever imagined delivering
(13:51):
your promises with. Yeah, how are you going to fix
that problem? Because you might have noticed the contrast of
SpaceX and NASA in the last secon.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I don't know what they're going to suggest, because
if they've been selling this idea that first of all,
that only they could fix it, and what they need
is a republican proof government to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And some of their brighter people are pointing out, well.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We have that in some places like San Francisco and
other cities.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's failing.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I don't know how they get over that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I don't know either, And they're talking, but I do
think I need far be it from me to praise
as reclined. But since he is sounding like me lately, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Really just praising yourself. You're like, I'm so smart.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I do appreciate that he is engaging with this, right right,
they're just saying the thing that you're not supposed to say,
which is like, Hey, all these liberal cities are ours
and it's not going so great for the people we
think we are serving. And I think that is an
important part of the realization. He also talked to David Shore,
a data analyst, about his thoughts on why Democrats lost,
(15:01):
And this is in the New York Times, so you
can't write code this one, and it's like Democrats need
to face why Trump want. David Shore is a person
who I think, earlier than many came to the conclusion,
certainly earlier than many on the left came to the
conclusion that there's an education split happening between the parties,
not necessarily a race split or an ideological split. It's
(15:25):
high educated, high income people are becoming Democrats and middle
class and working class voters with lower education attainment are
becoming Republicans, right, And that is something that was very
noticeable in twenty twenty four, and they're having to engage
David Shore to try to figure this out. But David
Shore has a story of his own from twenty twenty, right.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Carol, Yeah, tell us you reminded me of this right
before we went on that he was canceled in twenty twenty.
I mean I'm sure it was really bad. I'm sure
he killed multiple people or similar right.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well, in true twenty twenty style. And this is I
think it is funny because we've covered a couple stories
where like someone canceled by the left had to be
resurrected to like, oh wait, we're seeing this person right,
we need your information now. So David Shore in twenty
twenty merely pointed out, using data analysis, which was his job,
that Nixon and Republicans during the sixties had benefited from
(16:22):
violent forms of protests. This was pretty well respected social
science research. It wasn't anything crazy. It was a fact.
What might argue that actually wasn't.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
End up working out that way for Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So it's even it's interesting that he still ended up
on personed for that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yes, sure had publicized research. This is reason reporting from
the social scientist Omar Wazau showing that violent protests tend
to backfire on progressive goals, tipping the nineteen sixty eight
election in favor of law and order candidate Richard Nixon,
for instance, whereas peaceful protests often succeed. So he was
just saying in June of twenty twenty, like we should
think about tactically what this means for us, and for
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citing this uncontroversial thing, he was deemed very problematic, pretty racist,
and needed to be fired from his job.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So it was a crazy time. Kids.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
People got fired for stuff like that. And I don't
know did the left learn their lesson? You know, it's
interesting because you actually said the line. You know, they're
not allowed to say things. There's still not allowed to
say certain things. There's still very much guarded what they're
allowed to say. I'm sure the memory of these firings
and cancelations and all that it has.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To be fresh for them.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That a lot of people on the left are afraid
to say what they believe to be the truth.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah. Well, and good on David Shore, by the way,
for being willing to continue to talk about the data,
even in the New York Times where he's probably going
to get backlash from their readers. And he points out,
among other things, he said, this is the thing I'm
most talked by in the last four years, that young
people have gone from being the most progressive generation since
the Baby Boomers. Yeah, and maybe even in some ways
(18:06):
more so to becoming potentially the most conservative generation that
we've experienced, maybe in fifty to sixty years. Right now,
I don't think they're conservative.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, what they are is clearly seeing the Democratic Party
as not an option.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
For them, right because what are the Democrats really offering
them right now? Blowing up Tesla's like you could be
mad with ed Elon Musk with us, like, yeah, it's
it's tough, and you know, he tweets like as Democrats
try to shape the story against Trump, the most effective
critiques of Trump were actually similar to the ways Democrats
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ran against Romney. He gave a huge tax cut to
the wealthy and trying to cut programs of Social Security
and Medicare. We're in a very different time. The attacks
that landed on Romney don't touch Trump. It's a fully
different universe now.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No, And I think they're wrestling with the fact that
this they have of themselves. What was a party of
the working in middle class, that we're going to do
the best we can and help everybody exist on a
higher plane and all that stuff, and we're going to
do it with some of these rich people's money became
just like really rich elites telling everyone else what to
(19:18):
do exclusively, and those people were not interested in that.
COVID was like the distillation of that and what ends
up happening, and this is shore again, he says, I
would just say this shouldn't be all that surprising. I
think now we identify the Democratic Party as straightforwardly liberal,
a shift from where it was in the past. But
(19:39):
the Democratic Party used to be a coalition between liberals,
moderates and conservatives, and as liberals became the dominant coalition partner,
it makes sense the conservatives and moderates and the coalition
who were disproportionately non white, given that this ideological polarization
happened among whites twenty or thirty years ago, would start
to shift. That's another alarm bell for them, young people
(19:59):
and non voters shift to the right.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally. There's a story right now about a
very popular leftist influencer, Harry Sisson.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Is that am I pronouncing his name right?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No? I think you got it right.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He apparently had many online relationships with these young ladies.
I don't even want to call it relationships, because were
they relationships Mary Catherine.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, so that's the thing. So Harry, this is like
a big gossipy story on the left leaning and right
leaning media right now. Harry Sisson was like a hacky
hack hack TikTok guy. Yeah for Biden, Like whatever Biden
said was great. He was like, oh my gosh, he
was the.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Only guy who thought Biden won the debate.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
That's a great way of explaining him.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So he became very popular as like millions of followers young,
and he's young guy, he's like twenty years old. And
so some of these women come out and say, oh,
he was dming me and he was telling me we
were exclusive, and he was snapchatting me and saying that
we were an item. But it turns out he had
like twelve women he was dming and talking to. So
I dig into this because I'm like, Okay, I believe
(21:14):
that Harry Sissen is probably a player in a hypocrite
who says, as many male feminists do, I love women,
and I work for women, and I want you to
be empowered. But is he probably trashing them behind their backs? Sure,
betraying them. Sure. So I'm willing to believe that. I
go through the stories, and what I was surprised to
find is that a woman who said she'd been played
(21:37):
by this guy and that nine months in she thought
they were exclusive, but they weren't. She'd never met him, ladies,
And like, I'm look, I think you were done wrong.
Probably in some real ways. If you ever met a
man in person, you are not in an exclusive relationship
(21:58):
with him.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'd say, you're not even in a relationship with him.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, it's not real life.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Like I this is something that I think we need
to explain to our kids that if you're having just
an online relationship, that's not a relationship. But having said this,
and why I relate it back to what's going on
with Democrats is they have to live under their own rules.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
They canceled people for far less than this.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
A season, Sorry was canceled for like offering a woman
the wrong wine in his apartment, and he barely has
worked since then.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That was one of the more egregiousness that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, I called that the end of the me too era,
and I think that that was probably pretty close to correct.
But you know, as he'son Sorry was also a feminist
and also on the left and also defending all that,
and then he got caught up in it, and I'm sorry,
You're going to have to live under your own rules.
And so I have friends on Twitter, you know, saying
(22:57):
things like don't meet to this Harry system. I'm not
saying destroy this kid's life, but you made the rules,
and I think that he needs to have to play
by them too well.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And for anybody who is a public figure or who
is involved in the dming back and forth, let's all
just be real that anything you give someone is subject
to release at some point, right, so think about with
whom you are doing that, be able to vet whether
(23:29):
that person is being honest with you. This is just
like old grandma advice from me.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Kids, just assume.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Everything you tell a stranger on the Internet is going
to be public.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Live like that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But I do not mind women getting together and being
able to call out a player and say like, hey,
watch out for that one, buy or beware. I think
that's fine. Sure, let's not ruin his life. And I
think ladies just be careful who we're engaging with in
those ways. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Our last story is on the Snow White movie, which
is finally coming out after what seems like a decade
of bad press, like it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Actually has been a decade. By the way I read
the timeline, Ina.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Was it really I was gonna say it's like three years,
but twenty sixteen is when it was announced, and it
has had controversies every like year and a half since then.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So here we are, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
This movie.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So some of the controversies have been that they were
going to have little people play the dwarves, but then
somebody had a problem with that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I think Peter Dinklish had a problem, which I was everybody.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Reversed himself and said, no, we want the work. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It is completely confusing what is going on there, But
so they replaced it with CGI Dwarves. And then of
course their actress, Rachel Zegler, she plays snow White. She
has been just somebody who makes all kinds of kind
of comments to the media that end up alienating people.
(25:04):
It's just been a real bad time for them.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, and Zegler was the lead in Spielberg's remake of
West Side Story, which is how she got this gig,
and she was absolutely fantastic in that movie. There's no
reason she couldn't have been good in this one, and
yet she just kept talking about how much she disliked
the story of snow White and been all of her
(25:28):
outside politics on top of it in really gross ways
sometimes And yeah, it just hasn't gone well for the marketing.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, and the thing is with Disney, people love this brand.
I mean, we both know people who are like, really
committed to Disney in so many different ways, even people
you know, ostensibly on the right. But she in twenty
twenty two, she said that the original version of snow
White had a big focus on her love story with
a guy who literally stalks her. Weird, weird, So we
didn't want to do that this time. I was scared
(25:58):
of the original version. I think I watched it and
never picked it up again. There's nothing Disney people like
more than the original versions.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, her trashing this was a problem.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And then of course she went on after the election
to say that Trump and Trump supporters specifically should never
have a moment of peace, and then she got into
a political disagreement with Galgado over Israel and so on
and so on and so on. But you know, I.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Root for Disney. I am not like Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I am not hoping that an American company fails. I
will say that Disney stock was one hundred and fourteen
dollars a year ago. It's down twelve percent at one
hundred dollars today.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Company in trouble, and they can and should turn it around.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I hope that they do.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's very hard living three hours away from Disney World
and never taking my kids anymore because I don't trust them.
I would love to see them fix themselves, and I
would love to see them.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
See what's going on here. And this movie might have
a decent opening. They're predicting fifty million dollar weekend, which.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Is better than other movies right now, but still far
less good than other Disney releases. I'd love to see
them recover and take a saner path the way a
lot of companies are doing right now. A lot of
companies are seeing the light and saying this Wolk thing
hasn't worked out for us, and taking a saner path.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah. I mean, this is I believe the liberals call
it accountability culture. I just I just want to note
on the controversy front that the way it's framed in
Hollywood publications and in mainstream media is that Rachel Zigler
and Gal Gudaut had you know, diverging and equally loud
(27:45):
political opinions. Oh, it says, from MAGA backlash to ableism
discourse to the diverging political positions of its two stars,
snow White has been plagued by enough controversy to drive
anyone to a poisoned apple. Galgadot's position is that she
is Israeli and should therefore be allowed to exist. She's
(28:07):
Israelian Jewish and like those things should exist on the earth.
That's her big take.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, and she just even like say it. She just
like wants to continue existing.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
She gave a speech where the thesis of the speech
was like it shouldn't be controversial for me and Israeli
due to exist. Yeah, that's her big that's her big statement,
right right. Also, can I say that they were off
the rails on this movie from the beginning when someone
asserted to anyone that we could suspend disbelief that Galgadot
is not the hottest woman in the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Fact, Yeah, I think Actually, I also eat two things.
I think that they're trying to shift the blame over
to Gal for when this movie inevitably tanks. That's one
thing and the other thing is, and I wrote about
this for Fox, is I think they're trying to drum
up the controversy between these two actresses so that we
will go see this movie. I think it's too late
(29:02):
for that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Dall's the only reason I would be there, and I do.
I think you're right, Carol, this is their chance for
a hard reset after this one.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Take it, Disney, take it. We want to go back
to Disney World. We want to trust you again. Be normal,
Just be normal this show, you know. Thanks for joining
us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you
can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Get in touch with us at.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and when
things get weird, act normally
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