February 25, 2025 • 27 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss various topics including Elon Musk's appearance at CPAC, the ongoing legal battles surrounding his ventures, and the recent protests at Yosemite National Park regarding staffing issues. They also delve into Musk's email request to employees and the reactions from government unions, as well as the appointment of Dan Bongino and the motivations behind public service careers. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yeah, welcome to what normally the show with normalish takes
for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am Mary Catherine Ham and.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm Carol Marcowitz him. Mary Catherine, how's it going.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's going okay. I'm excited to come see you later
this week on a little now to sunny Florida, which
means I feel like I should get a tan or
something to make yes.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Get here there. No, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
No, No, we're gonna definitely lay out in the sun
I mean sunscreened. You know, if anybody listening, we're very safe,
but you we're gonna be in the sunshine. It's gonna
be great. It's supposed to be a really nice week.
I mean there's some chilli morning, so bring a sweatshirt.
It's going to be like in the or low sixties.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I think they'll be okay with that, but.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes, it's gonna be great. We also got some good
news last week about our podcast numbers, and we had
almost one point one million downloads in our very first
quarter of existence. So it's been very exciting and we're
very happy. You know, we're obviously getting the numbers all along,
but to see them all put together because I was
told there'd be no math.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We don't do spreadsheets. We just wait for someone to
send us an email. But we appreciate all of our listeners.
We knew, we know that the normies are legion and
that they tune in to hear things that are normal.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So we love it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We love you guys, Thank you for listening. Well, what
do we have for the normies this week?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, as you know, the news is weird.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Elon Musk, still running the DOGE operations, showed up at
Seapack with his which is the annual gathering of all
stripes of conservative groups and activists. He met up with
Javier Malay, the famously cutting government head of Argentina, who
gifted him a chainsaw to cut through love it literally,
(01:57):
not metaphorically, all the things that dog is cutting through.
Elon of course very theatrical about this. Meanwhile, the legal
fight continues behind the scenes about what Elon Musk or
DOGE can and cannot do. As I mentioned, a federal
judge said, yeah, they can actually go ahead with having
access to things, and another federal judge was like, yeah,
(02:18):
I think they can also do personnel decisions, which.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
But you'd think was the standard until the Republican gets elected.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Obviously, Well, yes, there is a part of this where
like the executive branch is in charge of the executive branch,
the executive is the head of that right.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Right, controversial that statement, no, And.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I will say a long way as we keep saying,
there is a there can be a price to moving
fast and breaking stuff or as the tech people often say,
fail fast, right, And some of that has happened. There
were some people let go at Energy who were important
and Chris Wright brought them back immediately. In the National
Park Service, there were cuts that would not allow for
(03:02):
seasonal workers, which they really need for summer, and so
they added back some of those. There have been probationary
employees or people marked his probationary who weren't who lost jobs,
who were then reinstated. However, a lot of this, like
when people say you can't get rid of probationary federal employees,
(03:22):
that's the definition of probation why not, right, So a
lot of these arguments again sort of run cold for
me because regular workers in regular jobs deal with these
things frequently.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The most I was going to say, what about the
guy that has the keys to the bathroom at Yosemite?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Mary Catherine tell us about him.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So this was the big story last week, and Yosemite
workers have since staged a giant protest where they put
an upside down American flags signaling their distress at the
top of L. Cappy Tan, which is the big sheer
face at Yosemite National Park. So one of the stories
I believe was Washington Post, who dug this one up,
(04:08):
was you know, they fired the only guy at Yosemite
who can get people out of the bathrooms there if
they're locked in because.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They have only one set of keys, Mary Catherine, what
are they supposed to do?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
This is to me like the idea that that's your
argument says to me, like out loud, you have been
doing things in a very stupid way, and we have
now revealed that you're doing things in a very stupid way.
How many tourists are getting stuck in bathrooms at Yosemite
to begin with, I don't understand. And then they do
(04:41):
this elaborate protest because one thousand National Park Service workers
were laid off, and some of them came from Yosemite.
I did some looking just to see what the National
Park Service in Yosemite were like during COVID, during which
time no no one put up a fight about anything
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being important. Reservations were required well, of course, everything was
closed for three to four months completely, even though it
was outdoors. Reservations were required after that point they were
very limited, sometimes putting people in lines for like camping
at three am to try and get in. There were
no shuttles, there was no public transportation. There was no
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indoor dining in twenty twenty and sometimes into twenty twenty one.
There were no tours anywhere in the park. There were
no visitor centers. Everything was masked even in twenty twenty
one doors and indoors. There were six hundred and thirteen
rooms open in twenty twenty for visitors, one thousand in
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twenty twenty one, with no housekeeping. So when they tell
you that they need to keep all the things clean,
they didn't in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. And
then there's a bunch of other activity in the parks
that were completely shut down twenty twenty one twenty twenty two.
So when they tell you we can't possibly do this,
(06:09):
you're obstructing all of these important services.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
No one cared about that right for two years.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And you want to take a guess, Carol, whether their
budget went up in real and inflation of adjusted dollars
or down.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I'm going to go with up.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
It went up.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It went up, Carol.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So I just again, this is the baseline problem. If
people's experience with the National parks, which they genuinely love.
I love them, They're my favorite part of the federal government. Yeah,
but if your baseline service is that two of thirteen
campsites were open for two years and you had to
wait in giant lines, then your expectations now when people
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start cutting are like, I don't know, I didn't feel
like I was getting that good service to begin with.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's right, Yeah, that's the whole thing. And where was
the bathroom guy?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Then? Did the guy have to get a lot of
people stuck in bathrooms during COVID.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Or were they all? Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
All of this obviously is not playing that great to
the American people. They see that it's just basically a boondoggle.
So many of our services make no sense and are
so expensive, and the crisis keep going up, and what
do Americans get for it? One of my favorite X accounts,
Jarvis Best hosted. When I first heard about Elon what
(07:29):
have you accomplished?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Email?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I was like, whatever, that's dumb. But the screaming, crying, cursing, shaking,
throwing up, leaping from the top story of the federal
building onto the pavement reaction to it has totally changed
my mind. And we're actually going to get into the
the Elon email. Yes, yeah, so Elon has requested that
everybody send an email with five things that.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
They did last week at their jobs.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Not crazy, maybe a little bit infantile. I could see
where people might not enjoy having to do that, But
the reaction to this has been nothing but hysteria. People
are losing their minds because they have to say what
they did at their job last week.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well, so a couple things. It is a little crazy
that went out on a Saturday night. It's like hit
me up, like hit me up on Monday morning or whatever.
I know that Elon works all the hours, but not
necessarily other people do. The ask is fairly simple, right,
and there's some question as to whether he's smoking out
(08:35):
people who do not check their emails, who are allegedly
government employees. On the other hand, can I say about
this one? You just confirmed a bunch of agency heads
who you trust, right right, Have them talk to their
people about this, right?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, they're already facing this where cash Ptel sent a
memo to at the fba I employees saying like, only
report to me and I will report to the federal government.
So there's already some pushback here, and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I get it, though. What do you do all day
is not a crazy question to ask our federal employees.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I think they should have to answer it, whether through
their superior or directly.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I've had to do it at various jobs in my past,
where I had to say what I've been working on,
and you know, often it's like how could we coordinate better?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
How could we help each other? How could our work
be complementary?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
All of that is okay, And I think that the
reaction is just so hysterical that the American people are
going to continue to push for Elon to do the
sort of thing in the future. It's going to backfire
on the hysterics.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, there's an American Federation of Government Employees, which is
a public employee union which bargains effectively against all of
us to use our money for various things. Tweeted it
is cruel and disrespectful for federal employees to be forced
to justify their job duties to this out of touch, privileged,
unelected billionaire who has never performed one single hour of
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honest public service in his life. Okay, I guess he
hasn't worked for the government before, but he does work very,
very hard. That's one of the things about Elon Musk
you can say, is like, even when his asks are unreasonable,
he's actually doing the thing, so it's harder to be
mad at him. Because a manager who is sleeping on
(10:36):
a cot and doing the work all the time is
a kind of person that you kind of have to
stay up to meet his expectations. It is worlds different
from a federal government expectation. But the idea that just
like saying what you do, or being asked questions about
what you do, or someone investigating what different departments do
(10:59):
or what different grants go to is inherently bad. No,
no reject Why.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, I have to admit that I'm surprised at how
this is all going.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I thought they would.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Run into a lot more roadblocks than they have. I
thought that the federal government was just impossible to cut.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I really did. I thought it was so entrenched that
it was just never going to happen.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I mean, you hear this all the time from career
kind of bureaucrats, where even if they want to change something,
it's impossible, not possible, can't do it. A change takes years,
and even then then the head person changes and nothing
ever gets done. So I thought he was going to
hit a wall with this. So I'm pleasantly surprised. And
(11:46):
I know there's possibility for good people to get fired,
and I really hope that that doesn't happen, and if
it does happen, I hope they fix it very quickly.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And all of that.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But this has been eye opening to me how much
there is, how much possibility there is to fix things.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I'm impressed.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, and I think, again, this is the fail fast mantra,
which is like, yeah, you do kind of blow through
this process and then you learn as you go that
is a very different way of doing business and it
does have effects on people's lives.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But here was the tell, and I hate.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
To be just always go back to COVID it was
such a tell that the government can't do changes.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
They changed everything.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yep, they changed the way they did everything in a
space of two months because someone decided to be just
authoritarian enough to be like, y'all can't go to restaurants.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
But you know what the difference is, federal employees continued.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
To get paid.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
The difference is it was private enterprise that suffered. It
was people who worked outside the federal government that suffered.
And who cares about those people? Mary Catherine And well,
I know not just.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Just as the press doesn't care about regular people's free
free speech but deeply cares about their own. It's exactly similar,
similar setup.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But no, I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Look, it's as I said, he's going they're going to
test the limits of what they can do with the
civil service. But as again, the baseline problem is the
idea that the career officials were not political is incorrect.
And also the idea that you can't get rid of
politicals is just a nonsense story. Right, Political appointees go
(13:34):
in and out and should go in and out every
single time. By the way, I saw I Washington Post
report that seemed I think it was Russian posts seemed
very breathless about the fact that Pete Hegseth Over at
Secretary of Defense wanted to pick a new assistant, which
seems like how Dare's prerogative.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah right, but it's all like this, right, it's all
this insane reaction and overreaction.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I just I can't see it working and not this time.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I mean, it does feel like a new era.
And also like, you know, be a little careful guys
with what's especially the important people. Ever, at Energy that
seemed like a do was a misfire.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
For sure, We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Cash Battel was confirmed as head of the FBI and
over the weekend, and now over the weekend, Dan Bongino
is going to be Cash's deputy and that doesn't require
a confirmation. The overreaction to Dan Bongino over the last
two days has been really something to watch.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I know, Dan, he is a fantastic person.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
He was previously NYPD, he was previously Secret Service. He's
been just just a stellar person in these fields. He
did really fantastic work. He's been considered for other positions
in the past. I get that he doesn't have specifically
FBI experience, but he has a lot of other law
(15:06):
enforcement experience that I think lends itself.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
To this role. The overreaction to him has been a
bit much.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well yeah, I mean I think it's because the read
on him, well on Cash too, But Cash came from
excuse me, I should say FBI director Ptel, The Cash
Hotel came from within the ranks. He was an investigator.
He has a lot of experience doing the thing that
these guys do. Bongino is certainly, in his later years,
(15:34):
more of a commentator, not a guy who's.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Who's doing law enforcement. But he was Secret Service.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
As you said, NYPD, I'm surprised he didn't end up
a Secret Service. But Trump picked his detail guy to
go over there, someone who he trusts very deeply. I
think for a lot of people, the lineup of well,
his personal detail guy going to Secret Service, Cash Betel
ending up at FBI with Bengino behind him is more
(16:02):
They see it as loyalty over skills. But like you said,
Mangino has part of these skills, and I think like
part of this is openly the reality TV presidency and
commentators are going to end up in these positions. Grants
and this is like the deputy, it's not the head
of the FBI. So he's definitely someone who has plenty
(16:24):
of paper trail about things he's said about the FBI
and how he would deal with.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yes, yes, that's it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Requires affirmation as you note.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Right, yeah, you know the other thing.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
And look, this definitely is part of my immigranty kind
of background. But I don't get why people pass on
their multi million dollar, amazing careers.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
To go into public state to the government.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It's such a mystery to me. Like Dan Ngino is
wildly successful. He does not need this in his life,
and yet he's doing it. It's really it's amazing and
impressive and kind of surprising to.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Me, Like what does that?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And I think he they're truly signaling over and over again.
By the way, this is another Overton window move where like, oh,
you thought you were worried about Cash Ptel, here's Dan Bongino.
Now I do think again. I want Elon and Trump
to trust the people they've put in charge and to
(17:25):
not undercut them and like let cash Betel go and
do his job, right. I think that's probably the best
way to do things. And Patel got right to work,
telling headquarters that they were moving like a thousand jobs,
maybe five hundred jobs to Alabama because there's another FBI
facility in Alabama, eliminating a lot of those headquarters jobs. Headquarters,
(17:49):
by the way, as opposed to field agents, is where
a lot of the politicization comes from, right, And a
lot of the headquarters folks are in town temporarily, their
lodging is paid for, their per dems are paid for.
We are spending a lot of money on having people
work at headquarters. So they were just like, now we're
going to lop some of that off, and I think
(18:11):
a lot of that was probably the right move. Yeah,
they are signaling very hard. It's going to be a
very different FBI.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It is going to be a very different FBI, which
is not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Oh and by the way, so many the people those
moved from headquarters moved to places that like have high
crime right like parts of the country and offices where
they need to be solving crimes as opposed to doing.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Whatever it was. Peter Struck and Lisa Page were.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Doing a nice callback.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yes. Yeah, by the way, just like something that sticks
in micra, those two got to payout, yeah, for their
texts being revealed for violating their privacy on their work
phones that we pay for.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Oh god, yeah, I mean, this is it.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
This is the federal government lifelong job, you know at
and this is what I think Americans see and say,
I don't understand why this exists, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Feel sorry for you when you lose your job in
this manner.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, and again, the juxtaposition of.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Victims, particularly in western North Carolina, but other places as well,
not getting coverage. Yeah, and then every journalist being on
top of every single lost job in the federal government,
I think it's just a very bad look and not
a good argument for people who have gone through a
lot over the past five years.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
That's right, it's galling.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Actually, Yeah, the journalists being all over this and not
on any other story that affects everyday Americans is really inappropriate.
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
All right. On the pop culture front, we have a
little bit of a controverts situation. The Bachelor and Bachelorette franchise,
which is twenty plus years old and has been a
mainstay of reality television and American pop culture for years,
has hit a bump in the road. Yeah, it is
on hiatus now. The Bachelor just like turns out several
(20:10):
seasons per year of The Bachelor and the Bachelorette, and
they all like, they're all Instagram influencers at this point,
and they have their own little family and they get
together and have parties, perhaps no more at least.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
In the interim, and there's a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Rumors flying about why this is the case. The Bachelorette
and the Bachelor universe accounts for seven hundred episodes of
TV since two thousand and two. In this latest excuse me,
latest season, ratings were way down. But they've been going
way down for quite some time, right, and I want
(20:44):
to revisit when they started going down. Okay, let's do it,
Chris Harrison, because my theory is there's another reason why
the Bachelor and Bachelorette are failing. Yeah, Chris Harrison was
the host of the Bachelor and Bachelorette franchise for you years.
And in June twenty twenty one, when we were all crazy,
(21:05):
everybody was crazy, when.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Everyone was crazy time twenty and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They had a season that had an African American bachelor
on and then he had his bevy of ladies from
which he could choose one of the ladies. Rachel Kirconnell
had been pictured in a hoopskirt at in like a
sorority event when she was seventeen or eighteen years old.
(21:30):
I think she was eighteen years old at her freshman
year of college at a southern college where they had
done some themed barbecue and when everyone got as mad
as possible?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Is that the whole scandal?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That that's the scandal.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Wait, I thought it was gonna be like on a
plantation as she re enacted now like slry.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I mean, no, she wore a hoopskirt.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
That's the scandal.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
That was the scandal.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I am confirming. Yes, adult she was in an antebellum
outfit at some at some fraternity's event, Kappa Alpha event
that was criticized as racist because of these costumes. And
it was in Georgia, right, This is clearly a throwback
to an antebellum time. Like, Okay, there's baggage here, but
(22:22):
that was the extent of it. She wasn't like holding
a racist sign. She wasn't on video saying racist things.
She wasn't wearing black face there was any rate. It
became a very huge deal. And then Chris Harrison had
an interview with a former bachelorette, also African American woman,
(22:43):
and in that interview he said, maybe we shouldn't cancel
Rachel So so hard for this thing that happened when
she was eighteen and she's in the picture.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Chris Harrison was let go.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
From The Bachelor, Yes, for suggesting that you should not
cancel Rachel So so hard for this thing that she
did when she was eighteen, right, and that like Rachel's one.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Thing, right.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
That's the thing about that whole crazy time period. It
was bad enough that people were being canceled for dumb shit.
It was like people who defended them would also get canceled. Ye,
this was a secondary association.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, this is a secondary cancelation of Chris Harrison because
he refused to say that she should burn in hell
for having done this, Like he just it was like,
maybe we should just like not and so he got
let go from this show. He's like living in a
mansion with a swimming pool full of cash, Like it's
(23:43):
not a problem for Chris Harrison. I think it was
a problem for the Bachelor. Yeah, they've tried several times
to replace him as host as much as like we
want to be like The Bachelor's dumb, and how hard
is this job? The job is actually hard to do
TV in this weird a motive way and connect with
all these people and be someone people want to watch.
(24:05):
And I think there was some pent up annoyance, right
that he was let go. Now nobody wanted to be
canceled by defending him.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Of course you can have.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You can't defend the guy who got canceled for defending
the first person just.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
To be it would do that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's a domino theory, right, you don't want to be
part of that.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But I think there's annoyance.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I think that they took away part of the brand
that was very important and essentially went woke and broke,
because I know in my friend circles, I had at
least two or three girl groups who would get together
regularly and watch The Bachelor or a bachelorette, text about
the Bachelorette, have little themed parties. None of that happens anymore, right,
(24:46):
I didn't even know there was a season like two
weeks ago sometime recently.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, and I just think this has to be it.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, that really has to be it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
It has to be that people are not connecting with
the host since then. And and it's interesting because so
like another show that has been popular for a long time,
Survivor I, we stopped our family stopped watching it because
it did get very woke. One season, the host polled people.
His key line was come on in Guys, and he
said was like, is Guys making anybody uncomfortable? And a
(25:17):
trans person in the cast was like, uh no, I'm
totally fine with that, and then somebody else two days
later said no, no.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I don't like I don't like guys. And so they
stopped using Guys, but the whole stayed the same. The
ratings kind of stayed high despite the wokeness because people
still connected to the show.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Nothing had changed. But make a change in host.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That kind of thing could really affect a show because
people do watch it for the connection.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And the familiarity, and the whole cast revolves. Right. So
the guy you knew was Chris Harrison and now he's gone,
And the interim hosts have not been terrible. Just I
believe Jesse Palmer is the most recent one.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
They're fine, but.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I think some of the magic was lost, and it
was lost because he declined to cancel Rachel right hard enough.
By the way, Rachel and the Bachelor ended up dating
for a long period of time, so I don't know
how problematic it was.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
He was fine with the racist I see.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well like And also just one little annoying part about this,
he sold her out on live TV at the after
the Rose ceremony that season and was like, well, you know,
because he couldn't get canceled by not canceling her, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But it turns out he liked her, right.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I think she might have gotten canceled and found out
after she was pretty far into the process.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So yeah, yeah, Well, I hope that they pick up
that it's a new era. Maybe they bring back Chris Harrison, and.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean Chris Harrison will probably be like, no, I'm
good man.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Right, Maybe pay him a lot now you want me
to save you money?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
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We love you guys, Thank you for listening. Well, what
do we have for the normies this week?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, as you know, the news is weird.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Elon Musk, still running the DOGE operations, showed up at
Seapack with his which is the annual gathering of all
stripes of conservative groups and activists. He met up with
Javier Malay, the famously cutting government head of Argentina, who
gifted him a chainsaw to cut through love it literally,
(01:57):
not metaphorically, all the things that dog is cutting through.
Elon of course very theatrical about this. Meanwhile, the legal
fight continues behind the scenes about what Elon Musk or
DOGE can and cannot do. As I mentioned, a federal
judge said, yeah, they can actually go ahead with having
access to things, and another federal judge was like, yeah,
(02:18):
I think they can also do personnel decisions, which.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
But you'd think was the standard until the Republican gets elected.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Obviously, Well, yes, there is a part of this where
like the executive branch is in charge of the executive branch,
the executive is the head of that right.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Right, controversial that statement, no, And.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I will say a long way as we keep saying,
there is a there can be a price to moving
fast and breaking stuff or as the tech people often say,
fail fast, right, And some of that has happened. There
were some people let go at Energy who were important
and Chris Wright brought them back immediately. In the National
Park Service, there were cuts that would not allow for
(03:02):
seasonal workers, which they really need for summer, and so
they added back some of those. There have been probationary
employees or people marked his probationary who weren't who lost jobs,
who were then reinstated. However, a lot of this, like
when people say you can't get rid of probationary federal employees,
(03:22):
that's the definition of probation why not, right, So a
lot of these arguments again sort of run cold for
me because regular workers in regular jobs deal with these
things frequently.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The most I was going to say, what about the
guy that has the keys to the bathroom at Yosemite?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Mary Catherine tell us about him.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So this was the big story last week, and Yosemite
workers have since staged a giant protest where they put
an upside down American flags signaling their distress at the
top of L. Cappy Tan, which is the big sheer
face at Yosemite National Park. So one of the stories
I believe was Washington Post, who dug this one up,
(04:08):
was you know, they fired the only guy at Yosemite
who can get people out of the bathrooms there if
they're locked in because.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They have only one set of keys, Mary Catherine, what
are they supposed to do?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
This is to me like the idea that that's your
argument says to me, like out loud, you have been
doing things in a very stupid way, and we have
now revealed that you're doing things in a very stupid way.
How many tourists are getting stuck in bathrooms at Yosemite
to begin with, I don't understand. And then they do
(04:41):
this elaborate protest because one thousand National Park Service workers
were laid off, and some of them came from Yosemite.
I did some looking just to see what the National
Park Service in Yosemite were like during COVID, during which
time no no one put up a fight about anything
(05:02):
being important. Reservations were required well, of course, everything was
closed for three to four months completely, even though it
was outdoors. Reservations were required after that point they were
very limited, sometimes putting people in lines for like camping
at three am to try and get in. There were
no shuttles, there was no public transportation. There was no
(05:25):
indoor dining in twenty twenty and sometimes into twenty twenty one.
There were no tours anywhere in the park. There were
no visitor centers. Everything was masked even in twenty twenty
one doors and indoors. There were six hundred and thirteen
rooms open in twenty twenty for visitors, one thousand in
(05:46):
twenty twenty one, with no housekeeping. So when they tell
you that they need to keep all the things clean,
they didn't in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. And
then there's a bunch of other activity in the parks
that were completely shut down twenty twenty one twenty twenty two.
So when they tell you we can't possibly do this,
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you're obstructing all of these important services.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
No one cared about that right for two years.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And you want to take a guess, Carol, whether their
budget went up in real and inflation of adjusted dollars
or down.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I'm going to go with up.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
It went up.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It went up, Carol.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So I just again, this is the baseline problem. If
people's experience with the National parks, which they genuinely love.
I love them, They're my favorite part of the federal government. Yeah,
but if your baseline service is that two of thirteen
campsites were open for two years and you had to
wait in giant lines, then your expectations now when people
(06:51):
start cutting are like, I don't know, I didn't feel
like I was getting that good service to begin with.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's right, Yeah, that's the whole thing. And where was
the bathroom guy?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Then? Did the guy have to get a lot of
people stuck in bathrooms during COVID.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Or were they all? Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
All of this obviously is not playing that great to
the American people. They see that it's just basically a boondoggle.
So many of our services make no sense and are
so expensive, and the crisis keep going up, and what
do Americans get for it? One of my favorite X accounts,
Jarvis Best hosted. When I first heard about Elon what
(07:29):
have you accomplished?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Email?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I was like, whatever, that's dumb. But the screaming, crying, cursing, shaking,
throwing up, leaping from the top story of the federal
building onto the pavement reaction to it has totally changed
my mind. And we're actually going to get into the
the Elon email. Yes, yeah, so Elon has requested that
everybody send an email with five things that.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
They did last week at their jobs.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Not crazy, maybe a little bit infantile. I could see
where people might not enjoy having to do that, But
the reaction to this has been nothing but hysteria. People
are losing their minds because they have to say what
they did at their job last week.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well, so a couple things. It is a little crazy
that went out on a Saturday night. It's like hit
me up, like hit me up on Monday morning or whatever.
I know that Elon works all the hours, but not
necessarily other people do. The ask is fairly simple, right,
and there's some question as to whether he's smoking out
(08:35):
people who do not check their emails, who are allegedly
government employees. On the other hand, can I say about
this one? You just confirmed a bunch of agency heads
who you trust, right right, Have them talk to their
people about this, right?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, they're already facing this where cash Ptel sent a
memo to at the fba I employees saying like, only
report to me and I will report to the federal government.
So there's already some pushback here, and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I get it, though. What do you do all day
is not a crazy question to ask our federal employees.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I think they should have to answer it, whether through
their superior or directly.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I've had to do it at various jobs in my past,
where I had to say what I've been working on,
and you know, often it's like how could we coordinate better?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
How could we help each other? How could our work
be complementary?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
All of that is okay, And I think that the
reaction is just so hysterical that the American people are
going to continue to push for Elon to do the
sort of thing in the future. It's going to backfire
on the hysterics.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, there's an American Federation of Government Employees, which is
a public employee union which bargains effectively against all of
us to use our money for various things. Tweeted it
is cruel and disrespectful for federal employees to be forced
to justify their job duties to this out of touch, privileged,
unelected billionaire who has never performed one single hour of
(10:14):
honest public service in his life. Okay, I guess he
hasn't worked for the government before, but he does work very,
very hard. That's one of the things about Elon Musk
you can say, is like, even when his asks are unreasonable,
he's actually doing the thing, so it's harder to be
mad at him. Because a manager who is sleeping on
(10:36):
a cot and doing the work all the time is
a kind of person that you kind of have to
stay up to meet his expectations. It is worlds different
from a federal government expectation. But the idea that just
like saying what you do, or being asked questions about
what you do, or someone investigating what different departments do
(10:59):
or what different grants go to is inherently bad. No,
no reject Why.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, I have to admit that I'm surprised at how
this is all going.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I thought they would.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Run into a lot more roadblocks than they have. I
thought that the federal government was just impossible to cut.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I really did. I thought it was so entrenched that
it was just never going to happen.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I mean, you hear this all the time from career
kind of bureaucrats, where even if they want to change something,
it's impossible, not possible, can't do it. A change takes years,
and even then then the head person changes and nothing
ever gets done. So I thought he was going to
hit a wall with this. So I'm pleasantly surprised. And
(11:46):
I know there's possibility for good people to get fired,
and I really hope that that doesn't happen, and if
it does happen, I hope they fix it very quickly.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And all of that.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But this has been eye opening to me how much
there is, how much possibility there is to fix things.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I'm impressed.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, and I think, again, this is the fail fast mantra,
which is like, yeah, you do kind of blow through
this process and then you learn as you go that
is a very different way of doing business and it
does have effects on people's lives.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But here was the tell, and I hate.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
To be just always go back to COVID it was
such a tell that the government can't do changes.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
They changed everything.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yep, they changed the way they did everything in a
space of two months because someone decided to be just
authoritarian enough to be like, y'all can't go to restaurants.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
But you know what the difference is, federal employees continued.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
To get paid.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
The difference is it was private enterprise that suffered. It
was people who worked outside the federal government that suffered.
And who cares about those people? Mary Catherine And well,
I know not just.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Just as the press doesn't care about regular people's free
free speech but deeply cares about their own. It's exactly similar,
similar setup.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But no, I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Look, it's as I said, he's going they're going to
test the limits of what they can do with the
civil service. But as again, the baseline problem is the
idea that the career officials were not political is incorrect.
And also the idea that you can't get rid of
politicals is just a nonsense story. Right, Political appointees go
(13:34):
in and out and should go in and out every
single time. By the way, I saw I Washington Post
report that seemed I think it was Russian posts seemed
very breathless about the fact that Pete Hegseth Over at
Secretary of Defense wanted to pick a new assistant, which
seems like how Dare's prerogative.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah right, but it's all like this, right, it's all
this insane reaction and overreaction.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I just I can't see it working and not this time.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I mean, it does feel like a new era.
And also like, you know, be a little careful guys
with what's especially the important people. Ever, at Energy that
seemed like a do was a misfire.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
For sure, We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Cash Battel was confirmed as head of the FBI and
over the weekend, and now over the weekend, Dan Bongino
is going to be Cash's deputy and that doesn't require
a confirmation. The overreaction to Dan Bongino over the last
two days has been really something to watch.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I know, Dan, he is a fantastic person.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
He was previously NYPD, he was previously Secret Service. He's
been just just a stellar person in these fields. He
did really fantastic work. He's been considered for other positions
in the past. I get that he doesn't have specifically
FBI experience, but he has a lot of other law
(15:06):
enforcement experience that I think lends itself.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
To this role. The overreaction to him has been a
bit much.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well yeah, I mean I think it's because the read
on him, well on Cash too, But Cash came from
excuse me, I should say FBI director Ptel, The Cash
Hotel came from within the ranks. He was an investigator.
He has a lot of experience doing the thing that
these guys do. Bongino is certainly, in his later years,
(15:34):
more of a commentator, not a guy who's.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Who's doing law enforcement. But he was Secret Service.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
As you said, NYPD, I'm surprised he didn't end up
a Secret Service. But Trump picked his detail guy to
go over there, someone who he trusts very deeply. I
think for a lot of people, the lineup of well,
his personal detail guy going to Secret Service, Cash Betel
ending up at FBI with Bengino behind him is more
(16:02):
They see it as loyalty over skills. But like you said,
Mangino has part of these skills, and I think like
part of this is openly the reality TV presidency and
commentators are going to end up in these positions. Grants
and this is like the deputy, it's not the head
of the FBI. So he's definitely someone who has plenty
(16:24):
of paper trail about things he's said about the FBI
and how he would deal with.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yes, yes, that's it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Requires affirmation as you note.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Right, yeah, you know the other thing.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
And look, this definitely is part of my immigranty kind
of background. But I don't get why people pass on
their multi million dollar, amazing careers.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
To go into public state to the government.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It's such a mystery to me. Like Dan Ngino is
wildly successful. He does not need this in his life,
and yet he's doing it. It's really it's amazing and
impressive and kind of surprising to.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Me, Like what does that?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And I think he they're truly signaling over and over again.
By the way, this is another Overton window move where like, oh,
you thought you were worried about Cash Ptel, here's Dan Bongino.
Now I do think again. I want Elon and Trump
to trust the people they've put in charge and to
(17:25):
not undercut them and like let cash Betel go and
do his job, right. I think that's probably the best
way to do things. And Patel got right to work,
telling headquarters that they were moving like a thousand jobs,
maybe five hundred jobs to Alabama because there's another FBI
facility in Alabama, eliminating a lot of those headquarters jobs. Headquarters,
(17:49):
by the way, as opposed to field agents, is where
a lot of the politicization comes from, right, And a
lot of the headquarters folks are in town temporarily, their
lodging is paid for, their per dems are paid for.
We are spending a lot of money on having people
work at headquarters. So they were just like, now we're
going to lop some of that off, and I think
(18:11):
a lot of that was probably the right move. Yeah,
they are signaling very hard. It's going to be a
very different FBI.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It is going to be a very different FBI, which
is not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Oh and by the way, so many the people those
moved from headquarters moved to places that like have high
crime right like parts of the country and offices where
they need to be solving crimes as opposed to doing.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Whatever it was. Peter Struck and Lisa Page were.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Doing a nice callback.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yes. Yeah, by the way, just like something that sticks
in micra, those two got to payout, yeah, for their
texts being revealed for violating their privacy on their work
phones that we pay for.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Oh god, yeah, I mean, this is it.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
This is the federal government lifelong job, you know at
and this is what I think Americans see and say,
I don't understand why this exists, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Feel sorry for you when you lose your job in
this manner.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, and again, the juxtaposition of.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Victims, particularly in western North Carolina, but other places as well,
not getting coverage. Yeah, and then every journalist being on
top of every single lost job in the federal government,
I think it's just a very bad look and not
a good argument for people who have gone through a
lot over the past five years.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
That's right, it's galling.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Actually, Yeah, the journalists being all over this and not
on any other story that affects everyday Americans is really inappropriate.
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
All right. On the pop culture front, we have a
little bit of a controverts situation. The Bachelor and Bachelorette franchise,
which is twenty plus years old and has been a
mainstay of reality television and American pop culture for years,
has hit a bump in the road. Yeah, it is
on hiatus now. The Bachelor just like turns out several
(20:10):
seasons per year of The Bachelor and the Bachelorette, and
they all like, they're all Instagram influencers at this point,
and they have their own little family and they get
together and have parties, perhaps no more at least.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
In the interim, and there's a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Rumors flying about why this is the case. The Bachelorette
and the Bachelor universe accounts for seven hundred episodes of
TV since two thousand and two. In this latest excuse me,
latest season, ratings were way down. But they've been going
way down for quite some time, right, and I want
(20:44):
to revisit when they started going down. Okay, let's do it,
Chris Harrison, because my theory is there's another reason why
the Bachelor and Bachelorette are failing. Yeah, Chris Harrison was
the host of the Bachelor and Bachelorette franchise for you years.
And in June twenty twenty one, when we were all crazy,
(21:05):
everybody was crazy, when.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Everyone was crazy time twenty and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They had a season that had an African American bachelor
on and then he had his bevy of ladies from
which he could choose one of the ladies. Rachel Kirconnell
had been pictured in a hoopskirt at in like a
sorority event when she was seventeen or eighteen years old.
(21:30):
I think she was eighteen years old at her freshman
year of college at a southern college where they had
done some themed barbecue and when everyone got as mad
as possible?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Is that the whole scandal?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That that's the scandal.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Wait, I thought it was gonna be like on a
plantation as she re enacted now like slry.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I mean, no, she wore a hoopskirt.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
That's the scandal.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
That was the scandal.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I am confirming. Yes, adult she was in an antebellum
outfit at some at some fraternity's event, Kappa Alpha event
that was criticized as racist because of these costumes. And
it was in Georgia, right, This is clearly a throwback
to an antebellum time. Like, Okay, there's baggage here, but
(22:22):
that was the extent of it. She wasn't like holding
a racist sign. She wasn't on video saying racist things.
She wasn't wearing black face there was any rate. It
became a very huge deal. And then Chris Harrison had
an interview with a former bachelorette, also African American woman,
(22:43):
and in that interview he said, maybe we shouldn't cancel
Rachel So so hard for this thing that happened when
she was eighteen and she's in the picture.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Chris Harrison was let go.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
From The Bachelor, Yes, for suggesting that you should not
cancel Rachel So so hard for this thing that she
did when she was eighteen, right, and that like Rachel's one.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Thing, right.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
That's the thing about that whole crazy time period. It
was bad enough that people were being canceled for dumb shit.
It was like people who defended them would also get canceled. Ye,
this was a secondary association.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, this is a secondary cancelation of Chris Harrison because
he refused to say that she should burn in hell
for having done this, Like he just it was like,
maybe we should just like not and so he got
let go from this show. He's like living in a
mansion with a swimming pool full of cash, Like it's
(23:43):
not a problem for Chris Harrison. I think it was
a problem for the Bachelor. Yeah, they've tried several times
to replace him as host as much as like we
want to be like The Bachelor's dumb, and how hard
is this job? The job is actually hard to do
TV in this weird a motive way and connect with
all these people and be someone people want to watch.
(24:05):
And I think there was some pent up annoyance, right
that he was let go. Now nobody wanted to be
canceled by defending him.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Of course you can have.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You can't defend the guy who got canceled for defending
the first person just.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
To be it would do that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's a domino theory, right, you don't want to be
part of that.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But I think there's annoyance.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I think that they took away part of the brand
that was very important and essentially went woke and broke,
because I know in my friend circles, I had at
least two or three girl groups who would get together
regularly and watch The Bachelor or a bachelorette, text about
the Bachelorette, have little themed parties. None of that happens anymore, right,
(24:46):
I didn't even know there was a season like two
weeks ago sometime recently.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, and I just think this has to be it.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, that really has to be it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
It has to be that people are not connecting with
the host since then. And and it's interesting because so
like another show that has been popular for a long time,
Survivor I, we stopped our family stopped watching it because
it did get very woke. One season, the host polled people.
His key line was come on in Guys, and he
said was like, is Guys making anybody uncomfortable? And a
(25:17):
trans person in the cast was like, uh no, I'm
totally fine with that, and then somebody else two days
later said no, no.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I don't like I don't like guys. And so they
stopped using Guys, but the whole stayed the same. The
ratings kind of stayed high despite the wokeness because people
still connected to the show.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Nothing had changed. But make a change in host.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That kind of thing could really affect a show because
people do watch it for the connection.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And the familiarity, and the whole cast revolves. Right. So
the guy you knew was Chris Harrison and now he's gone,
And the interim hosts have not been terrible. Just I
believe Jesse Palmer is the most recent one.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
They're fine, but.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I think some of the magic was lost, and it
was lost because he declined to cancel Rachel right hard enough.
By the way, Rachel and the Bachelor ended up dating
for a long period of time, so I don't know
how problematic it was.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
He was fine with the racist I see.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well like And also just one little annoying part about this,
he sold her out on live TV at the after
the Rose ceremony that season and was like, well, you know,
because he couldn't get canceled by not canceling her, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But it turns out he liked her, right.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I think she might have gotten canceled and found out
after she was pretty far into the process.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So yeah, yeah, Well, I hope that they pick up
that it's a new era. Maybe they bring back Chris Harrison, and.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean Chris Harrison will probably be like, no, I'm
good man.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Right, Maybe pay him a lot now you want me
to save you money?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Well, thank you for joining us on Normally Normally airs
Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can dribe anywhere.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Get in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail dot com.
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