Conspiracies, Capitalism, and Chaos with Matt Frederick & Ben Bowlin from Stuff They Don’t Want You to Know

On this episode of Now You Know, Knowa chops it up with Matt Frederick and Ben Bowlin from Stuff They Don't Want You to Know.

Together they get into conspiracies that proved true, why the U.S. electoral system makes no sense, and whether capitalism functions more like a faith than an economy. They also break down who "they" really are when we say they don't want you to know - and why that matters for politics, power, and the next generation learning to think for themselves.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now you know and Know De Brosso is a production
of iHeartMedia and partnership with Resent Choice Media. All right,
we brought on Matt and Ben from Stuff They Don't
Want you to Know because they ask the wildest, smartest questions.
We're explaining Earth and politics to aliens because honestly, Earth
is a mess and sometimes it helps to explain stuff

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like you're talking to someone who just got here and
has no idea what's going on. Also, are the alien
If the aliens are watching us, and who's to say
they're not. They got questions for show, so we're giving
them the crash course. Now you know staff, So introduce yourselves.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello. My name is Matt Frederick. I am Stuff Guy
number one currently and I do appreciate you putting me
there just because he met me first.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, I'm known him for thirty two minutes.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Keep count, keep count. I like it.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm a drummer, podcaster, executive producer, and uh long time
time ago. I was an actor in the year two thousand.
I played drums in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
True, what if you're acting like my friend? You're an actor?
You say, yes, what if you're acting like my friend
but you're really not.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Isn't that what we're faced with with every single human
being we meet? Everyone?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I forgot y'all be conspiracy theory. Ben introduce yours out?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Sure? Yes, they called me Ben Bullen. In these parts.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Nobody calls you Ben Bullen. We call you Ben.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
All right, Well, I accept the nomination. It's an honor.
I am a longtime resident of the United States and
the Earth. I guess that's that's pretty specific. I also
work on things like stuff they don't want you to know,
ridiculous history, any number of true crime shows, and like

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my brother Matt here, I do some stage acting, largely comedic.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Okay, I hate the true crime shows. I have to
turn them off. Y'all got to stop with that music
in the background and be like she died at thirty two?
Oh man, Yeah, y'all got to chill with that. I
don't like that.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
See, that's one of my favorite parts of some of
those shows. We make a series called Monster, Like if
you haven't listened to Atlanta Monster yet, give it of
it and then listen, we've heard of it. But the
music from this one guy, his name's Matt and he
goes by MAVs and it's my favorite part different. There's
so many of us.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm about to be the conspiracy theoris. I think that's
you what.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, well, we Winman said, we're vast and we contain multitudes.
So there are many Matts here with us today, so
many bends too.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
So what stuff guy? Would they be? Stuff guy? Four? Three?
All the mats.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I see the importance of the ordering there, and I
really appreciate that we're keeping counts some of the times
I would defer to Matt. So this guy for me
is Matt Prime. Yeah, you're my main Matt. Really, yeah,
my main Matt.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I'm a little worried. I like that maybe a bit too.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Much for Matt.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Here's just gonna be like I know, he's gonna be
mad speaking of.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Like matts and stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I like the name Matt is funny, like Matt. Yeah,
what's the Matt? What is the funniest word you know?
And why?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I love words like June just because it's funny to
say a real word.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Please.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah. English is crazy, man, it is. It's just it's
English is one long game of improvisation and back and forth.
You know, we talked about it in the past. There's
a very loose process to making a word official, right,
getting it in the dictionary of the encyclopedia. So right now,
if we wanted to on air, we could cook up

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a word together. And the key is if you get
enough other people yeah to say it, if you get
them to follow the wave, then boom, you have invented a.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Word process to registering a word.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I believe the Oxford English Dictionary, which I'm gonna be honest,
is a little bit stuck up, but they're the primary.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Authority, right they stuck up.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I just they got there first, you know what I mean?
And so they got their right.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
The words you can't you can't use anything that's not
in here.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Did they make the word.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
The that is the most common word in the English language.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
They made it, I know.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
They took the credit though they printed it.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
So they have to learn like Latin and stuff and
then make a root and then say this makes sense
to English. They'll be able to say this.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah. The way it works for those guys is if
you have a word like what's a made up word?
Just too perfect?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
WHOA get you to go?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
So h part of my pronunciation? We get five different
sources to use that in print right, and then the
eggheads of the boffins, the very smart people at Oxfordlish Dictionary.
Now they're very well, how do we measure intelligence? Right?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You're the standard here.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Ben, Oh my gosh, well we've lowered the bar. Continue
at that point, we have the folks at the Oxford
English Dictionary and they're various other folks like Merriam Webster
and so on. They'll say, well enough people are saying
boptic chiba ba da, that it must be a word,
and then they put it in the dictionary and then

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we can walk away and say we made this word
right it.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
They're going to be upset. But like, kid, are you
allowed to create a slur? Hm?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
How would we define slur?

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Anything offensive? Like people that plug their phones into only
the top plug. You're a buckla? Do they let you
do that? They'd be like, we don't need any more
slurs in the world.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
This, yeah, that's going to weaponize languae right, And that's
a really good question because it's a it's a it's
a tougher thing, and we see it. We see it
so often. You know, Matt, I'd be interested in your
opinion on it.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm stuck on people who only use the top plugger.
Just talk to me about the significance of that. Why
is that such a terrible thing?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
You know, like if you got to think of others, Matt, you.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Know, okay, okay, we would.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I want to go under your charger and be like,
or if you're using the top plug with something that
makes it impossible to use the bottom.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Plug, yeah, okay, okay, heard, Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's like not bringing your shopping cart back.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't care about that. You don't care to be
so honest. Park you wherever you want a the handicaps.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Oh my gosh, I mean mom is here, dude, Because Noah,
your mom is the one who's gonna care about where
people park their carts because she's the one who's got
to back the car house. Right, get out and give
it just a couple of years, man, and you'll stand
the rage that an unparked cart can provide.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, but the shopping guard is the old version of
the top plug. I think we're talking.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, you heard of the cart narks, right, they tell
people where to park there. They're like the police of.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Cart Oh heard, yeah, car narks.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I hate them?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Are they paid to do that?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I did a little research before I get into my
next question. Yes, you a little bit. Are you trying
to make a dish track on the cart Narks? Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, I would love. I think we'd all love to work.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
With We'll figure that out a little bit later.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Make it.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Let me tell you something about Matt Prime over here.
He's a little too humble to mention it. Yes, this
guy did drum in the super Bowl. That is a
true story. Also a phenomenal musician and producer.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I am notorious Cartnark.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
He's working with the ops. Sure, but you find the
talent where you find the talent, right.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
You know you and help us make the be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Can I tell you what I find this way more
effective than being upset with somebody who you know, decided
to park their cart somewhere else. If you notice it
happening in real time, just go up take the cart
while they can see you, and just take it and
put it back where it's supposed to go, just so
they know that you're doing the work that they could
have been.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And then look at them like little passive aggressive it is.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
But you don't have to get angry with anybody. No,
you don't even need to feel anger in the moment,
just just make it happen.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Here's what I would recommend, because I'm a no half
measures kind of person. Instead of just the look don't
stop there, what I like to do. I was driving
in traffic earlier today on the way here. I don't
do road rage anymore. Uh No. What I will do
is make sure the person knows that I find their

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behavior substandard. Don't yell at people, don't, you know, give
them a dirty finger anything. What you do make icon
give them the thumbs down.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh you're disappointed. I'm not angry.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I'm disappointed.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I would hate for you to tell me you're disappointing me.
Like imagine Ben looking at you. Met I'm disappointed in you.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I know that made me really sad.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Has he ever said that to you?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, But to be fair, I've done some pretty disappointing things.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, we've known each other for a while.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I think we've been on both Do you honk your horn?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
You know what's interesting, I don't really honk the horn.
And there's a conspiracy afoot. There's a conspiracy of foot
that will tell you that several years back, car manufacturers
in the US we're so worried about people honking horns,
that they made the horn sound wimpy. Oh, so that

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people would.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Be less aggressive. Yeah, speak of this human behavior. You
can do a conspiracy theory if you'd like. I'm interested
in hearing it. We'll get our tinfoil hats on. I'm
gonna ask you questions. If an alien landed on Earth
and asked you to explain Earth, what would you tell then?

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Wow, there's no one really in charge. Everybody is making
things up as they go along. Track records not super great,
but there's a lot of opportunity. There's a lot of potential.
I would say, don't destroy Earth.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
You know there is somebody in charge. I'm in charge.
What Yeah, I'm in charge.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh my gosh, we voted on this.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I'm in charge electoral Yeah. I want to go to you, Matt. Yeah,
before we go about the electoral college, me and Ben
and Matt. I want to I want to ask you, Matt.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, what I would say is hello, welcome, nice to
see you. Cool ship. So here's the thing about Earth
where a species mammalian. We look kind of like this.
As we get older, our beliefs, the thoughts that we have,
the things we care about, they start to get solidified,

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almost calcif into very specific thoughts and ways of being
and how we think things should be for everyone. And
unfortunately a lot of times that's wrong. But when we're younger,
we're very pliable and we're open to new ideas and things. No,
not at all, I think watch out. I think when
we're younger, we're more curious and more interested in what

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could be rather than how things should be. So if
you could do us a favor and make sure that
the old people don't run things anymore for just a time,
you might find that you'll have a better time here,
and we'll be more interested in what you have to offer.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
So you really explain term limits to an alien? We're
doing here?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm just age. I think it's more age than anything.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I also think there's something we baked into the question
here that we should explore. No, which is this, are
we getting like the top brass of the aliens?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Or are we getting we're getting an alien that's just
like okay, okay, it was that that's Earth And then
he'd be like, what goes on in there?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
So that day?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
So he's just.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Chilling right right? That makes sense? I think those are
those are good explanations. We're throwing that alien in some
deep water real quick, because this alien may not even
have a concept of water. Now, like you're saying, we're
explaining term limits and this. This poor guy is gonna
be like, wait, what is old?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah? Oh yo, check this out. Dude, hold this and
it would be a PS five controller. Okay, now, sit down,
sit down? Yeah, yea, right there, that's a that's called
the sofa. Now look this is called ter Okay, so
what we're gonna do? That's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
So you trying to play games with aliens?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I would love to do that.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's really cool. No, you don't think so.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I feel like you can learn a lot about a
creature in the way they if they could understand, like
through you know, some sort of visual audio input whatever
they're working with. It would be cool to see how.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You explain How would you explain the electoral cause to
an alien?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh? Great?

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You want to answer? So bad?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
So alien. A long time ago, when this concept of
democracy was kind of floating around, people were thinking, what
if there were votes instead of a king? What if we,
you know, the intellectual elite, what if we decided, Yeah,
of course you included Noah, always what if we let

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everybody vote just as they would, but then we'll also
have another little thing that's kind of like a secret
safety hatch vote that we'll have, or we can protect
how they vote and make sure the person that we want,
who's in the clubs that we're in, gets into the
offices we want.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So are you going to would you take the alien
and campaign in Wisconsin with the alien and then you're
gonna go to Pennsylvania they go to go to North Carolina?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Now, well, unfortunately, I think if an extra Vestrael showed up,
there would be forces, unelected forces that would step in.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
And right, would you just call it an extra extraterrestrial? Yeah?
Is that a widely used term that I'm just not
following here?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yes, sir, Yeah, yeah, extra?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I look crazy right now?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Hey, you're in good company.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
How would you explain this electoral college system to the alien?
I really want to hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I think Matt nailed it right. I think you absolutely
described the system as it stands. The concept is just
as Matt described. It comes from a good place, the
idea being that you have to ensure democracy. I don't
know how to explain this to an alien. You would
you would have to ensure democracy by having some mechanism

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to prevent mob rules. So if a bunch of people
are going in a very bad way or undemocratic way,
the electoral college and theory will maintain stuff like the
Constitution and human rights. The problem is just like how
any word can turn into a slur. People took these

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laws and then they used them to stifle and oppress
the voice. This top plug.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, no, imagine if there was some giant, highly attractive
law that was getting passed that caused millions of people
to lose health care or something.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Law, and then I thought you were talking about me.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
And then okay, what I was trying to not say,
big beautiful bill, but imagine, imagine something was getting passed
it was very, very unpopular because it was taking away
rights and things that help human beings survive. Imagine that
all of those people got mad enough to want to

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do something about it. And what if that wasn't actually
any kind of violent act. What if it was more
of a voting block that gets created. YEA, the electoral
college is a way for the two controlling parties to
which are We always talk about how they're two hands
on the same entity, basically with the same campaign donations

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coming from large entities.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Loyal hats or back guys.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I know, I think you should get into it. Where
are we at with the merch.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Before we get into aliens running for president and debating
capitalism and me winning that debate, we got to hit
a quick break. I have to ask, if you were
both of you, I want to hear for both of you,
what would your presidential campaign platform be?

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Uh, I think a good A good platform would be
that old people deserve by the virtue of being people,
all people deserve the same stuff. I do think. And
this might ruffle some feathers. I know it might ruffle
some feathers because people get scared about it. But I

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also think it doesn't make sense for billionaires to exist.
Capitalism is basically a religion, right, It's it's just another religion.
I think if you get past a certain amount of money,
like let's say you become a billionaire, you get a
little like a ward like an emmy. Yeah, you get
a trophy, okay, and it says you won capitalism, and

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then you can keep a little bit of money, but
you got to stop messing up the rest of the
game for everybody else.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
And we debate for a minute and a half. So
I'm gonna ask you, do you see capitalism creating opportunity
jobs and you know, a game for others to play
in and then elevate too.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I would agree with that. I think the error a
lot of people make in those kind of conversations is
going to be absolute or binary reasoning. Capitalism, like anything else,
works very well along a spectrum. There they're going to
be there's a limit, there's a limit.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
The capitalism is there's no limit. So it's not capitalism
with a limit.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Which makes it again an article of faith. It makes
it a religion rather than a science at that point, Matt,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Community not that.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
We did a video years back where I basically voted
for Matt as president.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Oh you wrote him in I have a written.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I have lived on a commune once. Really it was
a self styled commune where one was for all and
always for one. But it was very it was very exciting,
but it Uh, I'm very pessimistic about capitalism these days.
It's the infinite growth thing you're talking about, right when
you've got publicly traded companies that depend on, you know,

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four quarterly assessments of growth, and if you don't have growth,
then the price the shares go down.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Campaigns. I just did a campaign call and the guy
was doing worse second quarter than first quarter. It's all
about beating the quarters. So that creates competition, that creates opportunity. Right.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
What it also creates is you need to either produce
more things, right usually that's what that means, give more
services or provide more services, which means more resources, which
means if you need more resources and you don't have
them in your local vicinity or in your land, then
you go out and you got to get more resources.
And you do that with tanks and bombs and threats

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and things like that. And if it's infinite and it
doesn't stop, and the companies have to continue to grow,
then what's gonna ever stop it?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, I mean okay, so where is? And you know
you won the debate when I say fair enough, If
i'd be like fair enough, you won.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Really I'm letting you know.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now if I say fair enough, I'm inside, I'm like
they got me.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
So, But what's better than capitalism Noah.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Nothing, nothing. It's the greatest ideology or science or religion
or whatever in all of history so far, so far,
until we create Beninism, do the cart stuff, and then
we use the top plug against people. But in all seriousness, yes, sir,
what's the difference between what changes? Right? In a capitalist country?

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What changes between having nine hundred and ninety nine million
to the billion mark? What the next day you wake
up it went from nine hundred million to one billion?
What changes?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
What changes in what respect?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Everything? Tax list? What lists do you get put on?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay? Okay? So what changes then for the individual who
has gone from nine hundred and ninety nine million?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yes, just one million difference.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
We're asking whether there's a light switch, right, We're asking
whether there's a moment. Yeah, yeah, and maybe there isn't one.
Maybe it's a slow spectrum, a slow gradient. Gosh darn,
that's a good question, Matt.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, I'm trying to use my own, my own experience
in perspective on this to imagine what it would be like.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, so like you're a billionaire. Can we say that?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
No? But I do remember a time when my bank
account didn't have a thousand dollars in it. And you know,
now I'm a father and I have a house, yeah,
and cars. Well, I know what it's like to see
over a thousand dollars in my bank account, just sitting
there and knowing it's there, and that feeling that I get.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Could I get you to say when I'm made it
out the hood?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
No, because I did not. I made it out of
Coming Georgia, which is a very silly town name in
a very strange county.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Man, I love it. How about us, all we go
to the worst hood of all time in like Georgia,
or like in Illinois, California.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Not Gary, Indiana, No, which is legendarily.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
We're gonna go to like the worst area ever.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Valeo, California.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Valeo, California is north of oh Let me see if
I can get this right. It's in the Bay Area.
It's north of San Francisco. Terrible, terrible economic situation in
the town, which has led to all kinds of social issues.
Not really, Yeah, it's it's like the the factories and

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all the other stuff that was really good and booming
out there left and now there are people, human beings struggling.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I think that is in part because of lack of capitalism.
You know, if we were more competitive with it, free
market capitalism, it might be a more urge to keep
that open. If there was more competition, if there was
another factory next to it, you might think, first impression,
that might hurt the business, you know, the factory that
closed down. But it's creating more and more. You got

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to hire more people, there's more taxes. I think capitalism.
I was thinking the other day, what if everything was free? Okay, right,
this was free, that was free, you were free. It
would just be so bad. There would be no resources anywhere.
So I think capitalism keeps everything aflow.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
There's something really interesting that you hit on there, and
I don't want us to lose it. You said free
market capitalism, meaning therefore that all things are equal on
the playing field. That's where real competition occurs. The issue
and a lot of the systemic stuff that Matt Prime
is talking I love Matt Prime, by the way, are
you okay with that?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Except?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Okay, So a lot of the issues of Matt Prime
is talking about here in Vallejo, here in south of
it Anta, where I spent a lot of time. Well
ellen Wood right stock Ridge. Yeah. The issue is that
for a lot of folks, when we're talking about capitalism,
the system in practice comes with some very heavy advantages

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and disadvantages based on stuff that people have no control over.
So if we're all on an equal playing field, then
that's jolly good. That's awesome. That's when that second factory
is amazing for a neighborhood. But we have to realize
that in a lot of these situations there are decades, decades,

(24:37):
decades of other variables that are making it unfairly difficult
for some people. So I don't want to sound like
I'm being all what you say, comedy about this. That's
a new Okay boomer, Okay, Bernie had.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Bernie signs at home. Yeah, and then I met Hillary
and I burned him. So I met Bernie too.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I still, so you're active in politics.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I'd be doing a little thing or two.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, could you tell us a little bit about it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
So I never originally did political stuff. I used to
play games and I used to record those. I'm be
quick about it. But in this relates to the next question,
is I started using political endorsements because they asked me,
they called me, and there was like, hey, are you
gonna endorse? We kind of like need you to like
tweet out this. I will vote dot commonly real quick.

(25:33):
And it leans into a bigger question of who made
the phone call, who's calling the shots here, who's calling
these people who called Jennifer Lopez and asked her to
go to Nevada for Kamala Harris. Who's doing it? And
so I ask you, guys, I want to know do
you think the establishment is scared of giving kids a

(25:53):
platform to speak on big issues?

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I would say absolutely. The main thing to Matt's earlier
note about age and term limits and stuff like that
is people want to People want to control the young
right right, Yes, I hear you, wu tankers for the children, right.
You want to touch the younger demographic. And there is

(26:18):
an entire industry built to make stuff cool for kids
and pander yes, to condescend and to distract and to
distract and to pacify really, and so the idea is
you will have these powerful forces saying, oh, that's great,
you've got a voice. You're really speaking for your generation

(26:40):
until you say something that they don't like.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
No, do you ever listen to dead Press? Do you
know who that is?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Does stand like dead President.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
It does, but it's a specific group. There's an album.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
From listen to music Music at All.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, guess what you've got an assignment now from.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
That I got you listen to is it Let's Get Free?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
That that's the I think it's a two thousand album
called that. Listen to that album.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
The beats are amazing.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Think of it.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Don't mistake it as music without a message. One of
my favorite lines, which we'll have to edit, that Matt
and I have talked about in the past, is life
is a series of serious choices. Theories are formed from experience,
never mysterious forces. That's a casual jet. No, that's it.
I'm quoting.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
The point is you know what you know because you've experienced. Now,
you've been through and there's a whole bunch of stuff
that everybody on this planet doesn't know because they've never
had to go through it or they never will.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Go through it. Right.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh, it's a really good point.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
But do you do you agree with the idea that
and I love that we're shouting out dead press by
the way, Atlanta residents love it. Yeah, but can we
agree that there are powerful forces trying to co opt children.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yes, yes, because you were asking you what was your
original question about the people you made.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
That establishment afraid to give children a platform to speak
on big issues. You guys have tracked me down and
you might have seen some comments like what is he doing?
Who let him cook? You know what I'm saying? Who
let him do this? So? Is there an exterior force
that is trying to limit based on h I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think Ben outlined it really well. There just there
are so many forces that need you to be playing
video games. They need you to be on YouTube and
looking at comments and on Insta and TikTok.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
They need I.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Am as long as it's your own choice.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, and as long as you're doing something with it right,
which you are. No, You're you're spreading a message, you
were paying attention, right, because ultimately they don't want you
to pay attention because the choices of older people, like
I was explaining to the extraterrestrials. Yeah, the choices and
the decisions and the desires and their need for more,
which I'm going to put myself in there too. I'm forty,

(29:01):
I'm about to be forty two years old.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well, but I also I just want you to understand
that as you get older, you get social pressure to
maintain basically, and there's a status quo that you try
to maintain, and you want to have a better life
for those, especially children that you've brought into the world.
So you want it. You're almost on that capitalist trajectory
to grow, to get more, to get more. If the

(29:24):
kids come through with ideas and have noticed that the
older generations have kind of messed things up quite a bit, Yeah,
and they start trying to act or they actually gain
power in let's say, law making spaces, in spaces where
real action can occur, then it would be a serious
problem for a lot of those unfortunately capitalist forces.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I want to hear your opinion on this, notah before
we move on. Yeah, because because you you crafted such
an excellent question.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I made it myself, by the way. Yeah, I'm in there.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I'm kind of marinating on this, like what is what's
your perspective?

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, I think it is very much a thing, right,
but it's not as deep as it sounds in the question.
They don't want it to happen, but it's gonna happen anyway.
Who's gonna stop it? Right? I don't think TikTok is
interesting and flagging my content because I posted a certain thing,
or I don't think there's any exterior forces I'm doing
the bunny ears for people that listen to the audio,

(30:23):
is I don't. I just think it's some people that
don't want it to happen. You know, a lot of
people will do extreme things to make sure it doesn't happen.
Many men, so many men. So that's the that's that's
where I see it as And now you know, with
no de braso, we'll be right back. Hope you enjoyed

(30:47):
your ad break. While me and Matt and Ben are
continuing our discussion, what's one thing schools should teach but don't.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Ah, All right, Okay, there's so much to talk about.
One of the main things is one of the boring things,
and it's a boring thing that is important, which is
financial literacy. Right, the discourse of Western civilization can be
measured in terms of people being denied knowledge. Now, I'm

(31:18):
of the opinion and just speaking for myself here, that
everyone has the capability to be tremendously phenomenally intelligent. It
is the opportunity to exercise curiosity, right, you don't know
what You don't know until you get a chance right
to see the larger lay of the land, like you

(31:38):
have done quite excellently.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well, it's an observation. What I would say then is
just to keep it brief. Financial literacy is something that
is missing from a lot of education now, and it's
heartbreaking when you see brilliant kids with the best of
intentions who end up later in life saying, oh my gosh,

(32:02):
why didn't someone tell me this was a bad idea?
You know, why didn't someone tell me how compounded interest works?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Why did I invest all my money in bitcoin.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
That it would have been really smart? Yeah? Yeah, Like,
why didn't anybody tell me that beanie babies were not.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Going to have so many beanie babies? Are they worth anything?

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I just hold on to them, man.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
P cards? How are you? What are you holding in Pokemon?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I got chars are and I got the beanie babies
in the storage in Noonan. I got beanie babies and
I used to collect them. I sold them at the
school that I went to for a year. I have
beanie babies that I love so highly. I have the
Princess Diana, have every beanie baby you could think of
because in the hood, I be Princess Diana. Okay, okay,

(32:51):
you know what I'm saying that I got beanie babies.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
What I would say, hold on to it, really, yeah,
because nostalgia moves and waves for stuff like that. There
are people who what's an old one from childhood, like
a nostalgia item.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
H oh, deviled egg holders. I went into a house
it was doing a state sale, and they had they
had probably seven dozen of these things, and they're all,
do you know you know devil.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, they're nasty.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, but it was like containers or a serving trays
for deviled eggs with little half moon things.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And they remind you of something.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, it just it reminded me that for some reason
this person collected you know, sure.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
From like the store These days, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
You know, it's it's nostalgia. People are really trying to
buy a memory or a commemoration of a moment in time,
even with a beanie baby. I was I was not
expecting that, Matt Prime. I was expecting something like hold
on to your old Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Action figure stuff like legos whatever, leg I do a
money spreadble with my beanie baby.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Let's do it all of us.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I went to and Andretti's recently. You know what that is?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I go. I went there for four birthdays.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Boom. Okay, so you you know where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
They follow me on Instagram and everything. Yeah, you're deeper.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
You gotta get it. You got to get us in there.
So I go there sometimes with the fam, and I'm
all about getting some tickets. I love the Rick and
Morty machines.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
It's like one of my favorite I want to go
with you and the fam.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Okay, all right, you're you were invited. So when you
go to the prize area in the back there, at
least the one I go to, there are always one
to three Super Nintendo or Original Nintendo Entertainment System cartridges
that are inside a plastic container that are graded and
they've got like the official it's and you feel and

(34:50):
it's we're talking like twenty thousand tickets. And if you
know anything about getting tickets at one of these places in.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
This economy, that's in second.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
And PS five for that. Yeah, you know, I want
to toaster so bad. I don't know, I already probably
already have one, but I want to win the toaster.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I even asked the attendant. I was like, heyo, look
me up, I want that toaster.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
You know who I am.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Are you just trying to get the toaster?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I just want the toaster, just to have the toaster.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
It's the achievement.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I won the toaster, like the trophy, the capitalism and
so like it's tough, it really is.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Can I tell you what I would ask people to
learn or teach in school really quick? Yes, it's the
thing that we really focus on in our show. Ben
was a little serious on that answer, and I'm going
to get a little sious to uh, the skill of
critical thinking, which is something that I wasn't taught thoroughly
until I took a philosophy class in college, which is

(35:49):
like post high school, right, Yeah, And well, only a
certain amount of human beings actually go to any you know,
educational institution after high school. So the only reason I
knew that is because I had the opportunity to go
to college, right, And the opportunity has to do with money,
has to do with privilege, has to do with location,
has to do with so many different things. I wish

(36:10):
that critical thinking was somehow incorporated into the earlier years
in like a K through twelve system, but real critical
thinking to where you can you can pull in different
information and really think for yourself and come up with
an answer without being told how something is, what something is,
or the way something should be.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
So do I have critical thinking skills?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Does he have critical thinking?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm just vibing, Well, we do that in life.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
We just kind of go along with life sometimes.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, what's a conspiracy theory you've told on your show
which everyone should go and download. By the way, Oh man,
that has sounded absolutely backcrap crazy, but came out.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Oh boy, Building seven sugar, I'm just joking.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I am right?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
We're being cool if you make eye contact with every camera.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I think the reason Matt and I are reacting that
way is because we've run into, uh, several things, and
I loved, by the way, I love that phrase, bat
crap crazy? Did you write that.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I did awesome? On God? That's all me.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
The thing is and Matt. I don't want to speak
for both of us or for the show, but I
believe it's accurate to say we've run into multiple things
that sound so insane you would immediately dismiss them unless
you exercise critical thinking. Stuff like usually it's people who
already have power who want more power. Uh, it's stuff

(37:56):
like the c I A. M. K Ultra. That's a
pretty obvious one. That's not crazy enough.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well, that's pretty crazy though. Just briefly describe what mk
ultra was.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Okay, So the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States
has a lot of power, very little oversight, and back
in the day, they decided they were going to give
a bunch of people a lot of drugs, and they
weren't going to tell these people that they were giving
them drugs. They were trying to make brainwash soldiers, they
were trying to find a truth serum. They were trying

(38:28):
to see if they could give people psychic powers.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Going to give you why boy wasted?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yes, very much? So why boy wasted to a level
of untold magnitude. The only reason we know about mk
ultra today is because they mistakenly put one box of
files in the wrong building. That building got robbed, and
that's the only reason. We will never know how much. Yeah,

(38:54):
we'll never know how much actually happened, but we know
it was very much, uh, very much real conspiracy. Yeah,
it's a thing.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
And like, have you ever told a story that you
covered that scared you a little on your podcast that
everyone should totally go down load?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah. We we covered some of the political assassinations of
the nineteen sixties, specifically nineteen sixty eight, where you know,
if you're looking at John F. Kenny was sixty three,
but then just five years later, you've got Robert Kennedy
who got killed, and you've got Martin Luther King Junior.
Well yeah, well then, but then Martin Luther King Junior

(39:30):
who also got killed in nineteen.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Sixty eight in telro never ended hashtag.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Well yeah, And the scary part is looking at how
surveiled these individuals were by a federal agency. Wiretapped, wy
are tapped, watched, stalked things. You know how you guys
did me, you know, but in this case, you've got
human beings. Like imagine if we were actually inside your
room today, like when you left, like we had a

(39:57):
team of people inside your room and placed listening device
is by the TV, right yeah, and just all I
mean imagine that happening. But it's a federal agency that
everybody's tax dollars pay for.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
It, right Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
And it's being run by just a couple of people
who basically can tell a giant agency like that to
go surveil people and maybe potentially, at least according to
the civil suit in Martin Luther King Junior's case, had
a hand in his assassination.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Ah also real creeps.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I have a question for you, guys, and it's very
juicy question. Where are you guys on the grassroots organizing
versus celebrity endorsements debate?

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I think a rising tide carries all vessels, which I
know sounds cliche, but you know, if you're fighting the
good fight, then need all the help you can get.
And sometimes people are quick to dismiss a celebrity endorsement
because the person may have their heart in the right place.
But then someone who doesn't agree with what the are

(41:00):
saying might say, oh, you know what is so and
so know about this issue? You know, hey, Bud, get
back to making music, or you get back to your
reality cooking show or whatever. But you can't dismiss people
just because of who you perceived them to be. Measure
them by their actions. I would say I.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Don't think any grassroots campaigns are necessary. I think we
just need to find out what jaw Rule thinks. Where
is at on that? Do we have?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
John?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And I think that's probably the best course of action.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
So nice. I think we're both actually big fans of
grassroots camp.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah I'm being I'm really joking there. Well, I guess
we have to start with the jaw and we'll.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Get to the rule. Where would he be without his baby?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Okay, I need to put you on this show Noah
called the Chappelle's Show you ever heard of?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah? I watched it?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Okay, good, all right, Well then just watch it a
couple more times and.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
You'll be good your rule. Okay, out jaw Rule?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Where is y'all?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Role gonna be mad if he sees it?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
No, not at all appreciate, He'll be delighted. Uh okay,
yeah we uh we we might.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Invoke a civil war between us and joa role. Speaking
of war by f YP, Lately feels like every third
video is about war, conflict, or the world falling apart.
So I'm wondering, how do you actually know when something
real is about to pop off before it hits the
fake news?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
You go for it?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Give him the real?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Do you want the real answer?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yes? Please? Unfiltered Uh, so you.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Can't unknow this, Noah, I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
You all right, pop the top on it, man, No,
I'm not, okay, okay, okay, So we'll double dragon on
this one. So one of the ways that you can
tell every war is ultimately going to be about resources,
no matter how it's dressed up or sold to the public.
It's about who has something and who wants that thing,
whether that's land, water, weapons, palladium, palladium. The way then

(43:14):
that you can see some of these beginnings of conflicts,
the stuff that happens right before is usually going to
be a higher incident of movement of troops and military assets.
That's the boring answer again, but you can see a lot.
You can hear it in the wind way beforehand, when

(43:35):
people start making increasingly divisive statements on the global sphere.
So like, if you're pick a country you want to
be in charge.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Of, I've always wanted to be the ambassador to Dutch,
always wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
It, Okay, so you're that person right now. The way
we can tell a war is brewing in your neck
of the global woods is going to be when you
start telling the people in your country a very different
message from what you're saying to the rest.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Of the world, and that's fake news.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, well, well to the theater of news.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna go a little norm McDonald here. So,
if I've learned anything in all the history courses I've
ever taken, I've noticed that when Germany starts amassing a
really big army, you should probably get worried, because not once,
but twice they gone to war with the world, and

(44:35):
they recently announced that they are amassing the largest military
in all of Europe. No, I'm just joking, Germany. I'm
just kidding Germany. Jet's a joke. But you really should
pay attention when there are large investments from a big
Western country usually or Russia or China or one of

(44:56):
the big players, right the people who have nuclear power
and a whole bunch of money. When they are investing
in a specific place, like let's say in Afghanistan or
in several countries in Africa right now, where there's a
lot of money investment for those resources and the extraction
of those resources, and that's when you're gonna find conflicts

(45:19):
starting maybe there, which could be far reaching and turn
into a bigger war.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Always follow the money.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
We got to hit a quick break, So don't go
anywhere you're listening to now you know your podcast is
titled what is your podcast titled?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Stuff? They don't want you to know?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Who is the they?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
It depends on the episode. We've been at this for
a minute. So in the mk Ultra case, they is
the CIA.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
In the Beers is the they. In the Diamonds episode,
they is really anything and everything, usually a corporate entity,
an individual, political party, any it could be anything. They
not like us, but they is also us sometimes.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Yeah, there's a little bit of other into it. And
I hear your point there now on because we're also
like we're looking at bleeding edge science as well. You
know sometimes that they is the they in your own head,
Like when you look at the science of memory, you
look at what motivates people, the neurological basis of things
like hate and love and joy and fear. That's where

(46:31):
your own minds can conspire against you.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
No, that's so true. That's some of the earliest episodes
we did. We're about the the chemicals and hormones released
in your brain when you feel like you're in love,
or when you feel like you hate something, or when
you feel the.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Hate Ben, But if this beef goes deep, dude, But
if you truly feel that your brain is manipulating you
from within, which is a weird concept.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, I love your show because I love how with Tickie,
But it is also a mainstream stream of ideas, or
you can just call it a mainstream of ideas all
in one. What is the biggest difference you feel you
have made politically in general?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Do you think we've actually made any difference politically.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
As a show. I would say that we have endeavored
to be a lighthouse in an at times stormy ocean.
So we don't always come with the good news, but
we try to be We try to practice sort of
a way of the open hands. So we tell people
here are the facts right, and here are what other

(47:40):
folks and sources are saying about it. But we're never
going to talk down to you. The choice that you
take with your information is your own. And again going
back to what we're saying earlier, a lot of people
right now, for one reason or another, don't have the
opportunity to encounter information they need. So that is a

(48:01):
political difference.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, that you may just really quickly know. Yeah, think
about your beliefs. Right now, think about the people you
think are doing good work, whether it's in Washington or
in the neighborhood or you know, in podcasting in front
of me. See there you go. But think about that
right now. Imagine somebody walks through this door right now
and says, Noah, you're wrong. That is all wrong. You're wrong,

(48:25):
that's wrong, that's wrong, that's wrong, vac's wrong, You're dumb,
and you why do you believe that? Are you going
to actually like take anything that person says to heart? No? Never, right,
you wouldn't. You'd be like that person's aggressive and angry
and mean, and I'm not going to learn anything from
that person. But if that person comes in and then
and sits and talks with you and asks you why

(48:45):
you believe the things you believe, Yeah, that person may
actually have a slight effect on how you believe, because
it's going to make you question yourself.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Had an effect on what I believe, Like I was like,
he's about to say some calmy stuff. The revolution be televised,
So I'm like that, And you've been conspiracy theory and
I love it. I have to do this trivia and
one of the final questions. I'm gonna ask you on
this front is what is your favorite war conspiracy theory?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Edward Burnet is the godfather of propaganda and also the
creator of what we call public relations today. He's the
guy who tied smoking cigarettes to women's right to vote
in the United States. He's the reason people eat bacon
for breakfast.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Really.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yes, sure, he did a lot of stuff. And one
of the things he did was in the early nineteen
mid nineteen fifties, he persuaded the United States public through
an advertising campaign to support a war to overthrow the
democratically elected government of Guatemala. This is a conspiracy. It
is real. It is advertising that went nuts.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Bananas so on that.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
How do you feel on you you can get in trouble.
By the way, how do you fill on Gadaffi? A
lot of people are didn't tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
My man, Mumar, we've done multiple views. I don't know
if we did an audio episode. I don't know if
we were doing then. He did some dangerous things.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Also, before we say anything else, a bad guy. Yes,
he was a pill. The main reason he got popped
ultimately because remember he had been functional on Yeah, yeah,
pretty greasy too. The reason that finally happened had very
little to do with nuclear ambition. It had very little

(50:38):
to do with ideology in Libya, as he was running
it instead. And I think we can prove this pretty conclusively.
History would prove that the French government masterminded the downfall
of Gadaffi because he was moving toward an African version
of the Europe You believe that, yes, it doesn't matter

(51:00):
or what I believe, it's true.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Have you learned much about petro dollars yet?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Okay, good, Well, keep going in your journeys to learn
as much as you can about that, because that is
one of the forces that moves everything on this planet.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Okay, Okay, I can see your whole stance on politics
by that. Really, yes, okay, yes, yes, time for the quiz.
I'm throwing out some questions, some about how government works,

(51:37):
some from your past episodes. And if you crush it,
you climb the leaderboard, and if you beat the pod,
you get bragging rights on social media. Let's go. You're
probably gonna know these. So I'm like shaken, and you
might have a conspiracy theory on how he probably was
never born. He's not a real guy.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Hand that guy.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Who was Hillary Clinton's running mate in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Oh, it was on TV recently. I saw him on TV.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Oh yeah, No, joke was that we don't remember who
he is.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, he's not Hollywood like that. I'm trying to see like, Oh,
that's so funny. I just watched it five seconds.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
By the way, it was Saturday Night Live. It was.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
John Carrey, Tim Kaine. Tim I was forgettable. I was
almost set sure that you would know that now in
political career wise, if Tim Walls is watching this, he
might be shaking. How can Tim Walls make a different
career for himself than Tim Kane did? This is Jim

(52:44):
Kine is not. I'm gonna be so honest with my boy, Tim.
He's not in the best shape. Literally, he's a forever senator.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I see a future campaign mastermind. Didn't you know what
this is?

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Really good observations. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Have you thought about lobbying?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
I mean, I mean lobby. I can't lie all the
governor candis for governor. Here, I say, y'all gotta do
something about the state mandate testing. I'm not doing that anymore.
You got to me messed up here. I'm continuing with that.
But yeah, so Tim canis forgettable, how do we make
how does Tim Walls make sure he doesn't end up
in that trap?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Right, that's a good question. I would say briefly, he's
been doing some great on the ground work already his
campaign eras admin folks, they clearly know how to communicate
messages online, which a lot of people are are missing.
I think what if we were strategizing, if we're to

(53:36):
do with brain trust right now, we would want him
to be publicly get a very big, memable policy win
or get in a very public, messy political disagreement and
then win that he needs to have my pillow.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Well, you saw what happened recently in Minnesota, right with
the two shootings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he came forward and
was very I don't know, I saw empathy in him
in those moments. No, I mean, that's just that's a
terrifying thing.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
To be clear, that is. Yeah, you're absolutely right, it's terrifying.
I'm only laughing because I saw I saw your oh
snap face when you yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Fague news is going to get me.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
But that is a point that kind of speaks to
what we're talking about. You know that is an abhorrent thing.
You You can disagree with people all the time, but
don't shoot them.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Well, but don't impersonate, you know, a law enforcement officer
vehicle and wear a rubber mask.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
And yeah, oh man, oh wow.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah. Next question, who did Barack Obama run against? That's
eight exactly eight. I'm still surprised.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
You have in the primary. And I'm gonna buy some
general general elections.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Okay, oh okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
So like where zero for two? Right now, y'all got
locked in.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Here's the thing, I personally have become so disillusioned with
the political process in this country, and I do not
believe that any individual, no matter how likable you or
anybody else, thinks they are, in order to get to
the position that they're in, they have to shake certain
hands and they have to take in so much money

(55:40):
that I don't pay attention to that anymore when I
didn't watch a single debate in the last general election,
because what comes out of the mouths of the human
beings that are up there in that position, that have
millions and hundreds of millions of dollars backing them from
lobbyists and corporations and all that stuff. They're not actually
saying any did you vote? I did vote. I vote

(56:01):
every year every time there is an election, but I
just it kills the man.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yeah, and I'm still learning English.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I voted.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Oh, I voted for Trump both times, for sure?

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Okay, all right? How many US senators are there?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Total?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Basically total?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I thought it was fifty.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
I'm not saying it's not well, it's it's too per state.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Wait, so for for Georgia, who are two senators? Maybe them?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Who's district four?

Speaker 1 (56:40):
District four is David Scott Johnson. You're not gonna get me.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
What what was his name? Clyde?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Oh, gosh, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
How often are members of Congress voted in?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Members of Congress? So a house of up percentate.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
House of representatives, that'd be two years? Right, years? Same answer?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I have no idea. Oh twenty nine. No, once you're in,
the representative's here for life. Maybe.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Oh yeah, it's like the CIA. It is like that.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
You don't have an answer.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Oh, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Okay, two years? What about Senate? No, you you don't care.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Ninety nine years?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Six years?

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
You idg a f.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I really don't. Man, if we could somehow kill lobbying,
then I would care again.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
And we should uh gaf overall right, Like that's I
think that's part of what we're talking about, you know,
to sort of bookend this. And I am just so
phenomenally impressed. Yeah, with the depth of your knowledge. Man,
I'm not glazing. This is an observation. No, seriously, because.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Don't know what that means. But I appreciate. I understand
a glazed donut it means kissing. But okay, within sincerity being.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Of unhealthy consumption, consumptions of food and things to eat. Yeah,
Wi soda was rumored to be a CIA plot during the.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Cold War Mountain Dew.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
We knew you were gonna guess that. I'm just I said,
it's going to be Matt Who's gonna guess Mountain dew.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Uh. Let's see the Cold War so not World War Two.
So getting past the fantas stuff. During the Cold War
in the United States, there were some questions about fruit juices,
as well as questions about sprite of old things.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
So you're actually like going all over the place right now.
It's literally just PEPSI cool.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Oh, the pepsi, the pepsi Cold War thing. There's a
cool story about that with Oh yep, yep, we have
another show about that. Really, it's called Ridiculous History in it.
Whenever I can get Matt Prime on air with me,
I'm all about it. You were on some episodes of
Ridiculous History, but I don't think you're on the Pepsi one.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Same. Was it Eisenhower who participated in such thing you
speak of? Is my question?

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Eisenhower has? Eisenhower had one of my I think one
of our mutually favorite quotes when he was on the
way out of the presidency and he warned against what
he called the military industrial complex. He popularized that phrase,
but he went further. He went further in his original speech.

(59:26):
He called it the military industrial Congressional complex.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
No what that was the one of the quiz questions.
Oh yeah, guys, you can get in trouble as much
as you want. Here, make it a headline. Do whatever
we can do, was Eisenhower.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Black Ooh, interesting question, especially since I'm a luncheon. Eisenhower
was generally considered to be Caucasian in his day. There
is a conspiracy theory that in his lineage. He was not,
you know, totally Dutch or whatever. But it's a very
common thing in the United States. I mean, if you

(01:00:03):
are American, then you do have much more to your
story than somebody who has just always.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
He has a little flavor to him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Though, right, I haven't seen any like confirmation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Of having favor to him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Or something like that, but I do think it's it's
a really interesting question. It's something you hear with folks
like Abraham Lincoln. Right, I don't feed, you know, feed
in that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Howard just looks at least krea at bare minimum. It'speig
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Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Not getting invited to the cookout.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Oh no, you should definitely flavor. And guess what. Noel
Brown has flavor in all his pockets because he carries
hot sauce with him and all kinds of spice rope.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
They called him flavor flav back in college, didn't they.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
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