November 5, 2025 • 30 mins
Knowa sits down with Karine Jean-Pierre, former White House Press Secretary and author of the new book Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House, Outside the Party Lines.
In this thoughtful conversation, Karine reflects on her years behind the podium, the state of political leadership today, and the personal cost of navigating loyalty, identity, and integrity in public life.
Together, they explore what it means to speak truth from within the system — and what it takes to keep your independence when the spotlight fades.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now You Know and No de Brosso is a production
of iHeartMedia and partnership with Recent Choice Media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All Ron Welcome to Now You Know.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm your host No de Brosso and today I'm honored
to be joined by Karine Jean Pierre, the former White
House Press Secretary and history making figure who has shaped
conversations at the highest level of American government. In her
new book, Karine opens up about the path that brought
her from grassroots organizing to the podium in.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The White House briefing room.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's a story about persistence, representation, and the lessons learned
while navigating leadership under public scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
What it really takes to serve in one of the
most visible communication roles in the world, the values that
guided her decisions, and how she helps her story might
encourage the next generation to step forward with courage and clarity.
So let's get into it. Here's my conversation with Karine
Jean Pierre.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hi, it's so good to see it's so so, so
so so good to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I know, I miss not seeing you on the road.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Or I know how I know we gotta find a
new meatoup spot because they changed the locks on us.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, they changed the lots.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
That's one way to put it. That's one way to
put it. That's one way. How's your mom doing?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
She good, She's doing good.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
She loves you very much, and she was so excited
about this interview.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Good please sell her.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I sent, Hey, absolutely, I cannot wait for this. Let's
get it started.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Huh okay, let's do it. It's so good to see you,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You too, So how have you been lately? Give us
a little bit of a summary.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Oh I love that question. Thanks for asking. We need
to ask each other that how have you been lately?
I've been okay. You know, I've been just trying to
be focused and measured and rested, and you know, spending
a lot of time with my daughter and my family
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and rest. I mean, being in the White House for
four years was exhausting, exhausting, and so it's been nice
to do that. And now I'm on a book tour,
so that's all changed. But that's what I did for
most of most of the year, was just trying to
take a breath. Just take a breath.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, a much well deserved and needed breath.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Huh. Yes, my friend, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So when I very very first met you, it was
at a fundraising event for the President where I got
to share the stage with him for a brief moment,
and I'm I'm under the impression I have a small
conspiracy theory that you set that up.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I don't know, I don't know, but it was.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
A very great anything for you. You're so incredibly impressive
and we we loved you. The President loved you, and
he got to he got he got to love seeing
you at the events. So actually, I know you're you
have this podcast, but I can't wait to see what
you do, my friend. I can't wait to see you
conquer the world.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I really really appreciate that. So the difference between now,
let's get it started. I'm so excited. I've been so
excited to talk to you. So the difference between now
and when we last saw each other is that you're
no longer a card carrying Democrat, and even though you
still have the same big hearted ideology of everyone is welcome,
everyone has a seat at the table, why did the
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party affiliation change?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So a couple of things. I think a lot of
it is the moment that we're in and I have been.
I think like million of amer millions of Democrats in
the party. You see the polling, and there's a lot
of disappointment in the Democratic leadership right now, especially what
we're looking at coming out of the White House. Our
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democracy is hanging by a shoestring and it's and you know,
one of the things that President Joe Biden used to
say all the time is it's a democracy if we
fight for it. It's such a young democracy, and we
have to fight for it or we'll lose it. I'm paraphrasing.
It's one of those lines where if you can keep
it right, if you can keep it And I am
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really worried and scared for my family, for people that
I love, communities that I love, and I wanted to
find a way to use my voice right now to
really lift up what's happening in this moment. And for me,
it was Okay, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna write
this book. What can I do to grab attention in
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the sense of what's going on in our party. So
that's one piece of it. And if you look at
independence more broadly, there are millions of independents. Young people
are becoming independence more and more and more. And if
you have millions of people across the country who see
themselves at independence because they don't see themselves in the
Democratic Party or the Republican Party. But when there's a primary,
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there are these close primaries and they can't participate, then
the system is fundamentally broken. And so my feeling of
that is we have to do something to make sure
people are included in people's voices have a space in
this political process. And right now the political process is
much more too. It's just too centered on parties and
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it should be about the people.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And you spoke about the primaries, will you be will
it be a little disappointing to you that you can't
participate in the super fun democratic primaries.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I know, I love looking at yeah, one thousand percent,
but it's also millions of us who are independents can't participate.
You know, again, the system is broken and needs to
be fixed. And you know, if you want to participate
in a primary. Someone came up to me the other
day and she had decided to run an election. This
is a while back, and she was an independent. She
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didn't want to join any of the party affiliations, but
in order to participate, she had to. So she became
a demo and she was like, it wasn't something that
she wanted to do, but she really believed in her
calling to run for office. And so that's something we
have to fix.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You have to fix that, right, And we both went
super duper hard for Joe Biden in both primaries. And
I want to know, well, you have support if you
can't predict the future, but in your vision right now
do you have Do you see yourself supporting any Democratic
primary candidate?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I think honestly, Noah, we have to wait and see.
We really have to wait and see. In twenty twenty
eight is so far away, and I want to see
the leadership get themselves together. I want to see the
party get themselves together and see what happens. Obviously, it's
going to be twenty twenty eight. It's going to be
critical and important. Like you said, it's hard to predict
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the future in this moment, in this time, but there
are elections happening right now, right there are critical elections
happening in New Jersey for example, in Virginia for example.
And so my message to people is just because I'm
saying I'm independent. I'm not saying I'm not going to
get involved, and I want people to get involved. I
think it's important, especially for young people to get politically
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involved in their community, in the political process. Run if
you want to figure out how to get your voice
included in what's happening. And that's why we were always
so impressed with you, because obviously you're so politically aware
and a stude and I want that for all young people.
And so my message. I've been talking to college universities
and I'm like, my message is not to step away.
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My message is to get involved even more. And so
the book has certainly a roadmap to getting involved and
claiming your own kind of independence if you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Will, absolutely and I encourage you to move to Georgia
because we have open primaries. You can crash that Republican primary,
you can ruin there. There you go vote for Democrats.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And that's smart, right, that's smart because everybody participate in
the process.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Move on down, Come on down to Georgia. Yes, I'll
be there, you'll be there.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
How do you feel about like the current Democratic Party leadership?
Back in December, it was I did a viral TV
clip where I criticized the candidates for D and C
chair and they didn't like it. How do you feel
about the current leadership because of anything, we can both
do a Democratic Party walk out.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
How do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, good for you for speaking your mind. I think
it's important and your voice matters. So thank you for
being very clear about how you felt and sharing that
information for others so that they understood where you were
coming from. I think that's really important. I'm very disappointed
in the party leadership. I am. I don't see enough.
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I don't feel like they're fighting for vulnerable, vulnerable communities enough.
I don't think there's one message. I actually feel that
the Democratic Party should be more like the Opposition Party
right now, because where we are and what we're fighting
for should be a moral agenda and what's the right
thing to do and reimagining the future, and I think
I want to see more. One of the things that
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really disappointed me and you were talking about December, and
I'll move to January of this year. In February was
when Democratic senators just you know, rubber stamped Trump's appointees
who were unqualified, unqualified and it's giving up your power.
And they were also behaving as if business as usual,
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and you can't behave as business as usual right now.
And that's a message, right, The message is Democrats, you
have to stand up in a different way and push
back in a different way and not just be as Okay,
we're the party, they're the crazy party, but we're the
sane party. And so we're going to try and work
with them. No, no, no, they don't want to work with us.
They don't. They're making that clear.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, And away from that, on a more exciting note,
you just wrote your book. Yeah, and what made you
want to write a book now? You've done so much
exciting things. What made you want to do the book now?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So I was after we left the administration. I was
just kind of mining my business, going to the supermarket
and you know, at the airport, and people were coming
up to me and they were really scared, and they
were asking me, what do we do now? What do
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we do? What do we do? Why aren't the Democrats prepared?
They should have known. They knew since November that this
was going to happen. They knew about Project twenty twenty five,
for example, and what was happening at the time. If
you remember it was anti DEI kind of rhetoric. It
was attacks on our agencies, our federal agencies and you know,
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our federal workers and programs that were really essential and
important to people. And that was just the beginning. They've
done so much more since then. And I wanted to
give people hope and inspiration and a roadmap up to
how do they get involved in what we can do
as community. And that was the idea for the book
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and how to move forward.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Does this book recount similar experiences to Kamala Harris's One
hundred and seven Days book?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, it does. I mean, look, when you're first, it
is difficult, it is hard, and while people galvanize around
you and lift you up to be a first, sometimes
you don't get the support. And I really relate to
Vice President Kamala Harris's book because we had similar experiences.
Obviously she was vice president, but we had similar experiences.
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I was a first as White House Press Secretary, and
there was a feeling as if you know, people want
you to fail and don't want to lift you up,
and you don't get the support. So I get that.
I get that feeling that she had, and I'm proud
that I'm glad that she wrote it. I think it's
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important reads. She's such an important part of history in
many ways. And I haven't had a chance to read
it yet because I've been busy with my own my
own book tour. So hopefully when the holidays come around,
I'll be able to sit with her book and read it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And now you know, with no de Braso, we'll be
right back. Speaking of all your experiences, you became one
of the most visible press secretaries in American history. I'm
gonna call myself out. I can't really name another one.
So you became one of the most visible, and all
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of that had to do with you being the most
qualified press secretary of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And how do you feel.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
About, of course, how do you feel about the current
press secretary and her resume.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So I'll say this, I have not watched any of
her briefings. Again, I've been focusing on self care and
trying to really be in the moment and be there
for my family, and so I haven't watched. But obviously
I've seen clips and viral clips that have gone out there.
And what I'll say is that it is so important
to have freedom of the press, that briefing room is
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so critical because not only are you exercising in democracy
by taking questions from the press, the press is the
fourth of state, as they've been called. You are also
showing the country, but the world that the United States
cares about the freedom of the press, yes, but our democracy.
And what the press does is they hold powerful people
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to account. And when you take that away, when you
take away their freedom to report and their independence, if
you will, their ability to ask hard questions, then essentially
you're becoming state TV. That's what North Korea does, right,
That's what Russia does, That's what dictators do. And so
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that's a concern that I have at the taking away
that ability. What they do, the press do and they
give the American people an eye insight of the most
powerful political operation in the world, and that's the White House,
and the American people have the right to see that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And you were a very good friend to the opposition.
In fact, you flicked up with that one guy from
Fox News when you left.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That was that was so fun? How was it? What
was that like?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Oh my gosh, look it was you know. I first
of all, let me just say being White House Press
Secretary was a privilege and an honor to have been
able to be in that position. I would not have
been White House Press secretary. So it wasn't for Joe
Biden believing in me and being at that podium behind
that lectern. I was always in awe of that position,
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an awe of having that ability, you know, given that
opportunity to speak for this president and also for the
for the American people. So it was great. I mean, look,
the job was hard. It was really hard. The press
Corps was tough on us, and we fought back and forth.
But you know, we didn't hide from them. You know,
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we did not take their questions. We actually tried to
exercise again. And what is incredibly important in that back
and forth that you see in the briefing room that's
televised globally is democracy.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Absolutely, And speaking of different types of press as press secretary,
I always wanted to know your thoughts on having influencers
in the press room. What did you think about something
like that?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Look, I think one thing that we have to be
really an all of us, a democratic party, all of us.
Any leaders or organization that communicates to a certain constituency,
you have to move with the times you have to
be able to meet the moment. And what I mean
by that is people get their information so many different ways.
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It's not necessarily traditional ways anymore. They get it from
social media, they get it from influencers, as you just mentioned.
And one thing that we tried to do we didn't
truve very often. We tried to open up the briefing
room to us to people who wouldn't not necessarily have access,
and so we would do these virtual briefings or give
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an opportunity to someone to dial in virtually and I
would ask a question. And so you have to reimagine
and move with the moment and understand, oh yeah, you
know what, we have to communicate with these folks here,
or we have to you know, really bring other platforms
in what we're trying to do as we're reaching out
to the American people. And that's hard because it's moving
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so fast. It's moving so fast, and I think influencers
are important. One of the things that we did is,
as you know, we did a lot of interviews with
influencers because they had such a massive reach. We held
press briefings, you know, separate press briefings with influencers. The
presidents spoke with influencer. The Vice president I did, and
we brought them to the White House. So we were
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very attuned and aware on how to do that. All
the importance of doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Would you take a question from Lindell TV during a
press briefing? Would you've partaken that Lindell TV? I think
so that. I just learned of that, of the existence
of that as they got us slow.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So I gotta tell you, I don't even know what
that is. I don't know tell me what that.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Is Mike Lindell's telenew Television Company.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. Look,
I mean, I mean, here's here's the thing that was
really hard. I'm going to be very honest because the
briefing room was open to people who had press credentials
and were able to show that they had some following
or part of an audience, that they had an audience,
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and so we never controlled who came in. We took
questions from people who may have not had a big
following or what didn't have actual journalist credentials, but we
didn't we we couldn't really control that because it was
not hard to get press access into the briefing room.
So wasn't really up to me if they had access.
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It was up to the White House Correspondent Association and
the process it was to get into the briefing room
and watch my briefings. I tried to take questions from everyone.
Sometimes I would get a question from someone where I'm like, oh,
this can't be a real journalist, and you just try
to do the best that you can and then you
move forward. That is the interesting part about the White
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House Press briefing room. It's very different, and I don't
think people know this is very different than the Capital
and the press that walks around in the Capital. They
are much more stringent and their rules are very very
clear on who can walk around with press credentials. And
it was very different than the White House. So I
could easily have taken a question from him and not
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even realized it, or by the time I realized it,
I was like, oh, okay, well that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well let's have some fun for a second and talk
about the White House House. And so tell me what
was your favorite event you guys hosted.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh that's a good question. My gosh, we did so
many historical things and had some great events at the
White House. I always loved Christmas time holiday times because
the East Wing was gorgeous and beautiful. The first Lady
doctor Biden and her team did such an incredible job.
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But I would say after not the nomination, but after
she got through her nomination the committee process of Kataji
Bron Jackson. So when she became Justice Kataji Bron Jackson
and we held an event on the South Lawn, it
was just it was such a good feeling. I remember
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it was like April of twenty twenty two. I wasn't
even Press secretary yet everybody felt good. Everybody felt alive
and happy, and it was such an amazing moment. And
she's now an icon.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
She's an icon.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, and it's doing amazing work in the Supreme on
the Supreme Court, amazing work. Her voice is so needed
right now.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And I think my favorite event was the Black History
Month celebration.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I think you attended. I believe you attended that. I'm
pretty sure I did. Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It was such an everyone was everyone was very close.
It was a very close event as opposed to like
the concerts.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The concert I.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Hear what you're saying, Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
I love that the intimate events are very beautiful, Like
it's so special.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yes, and I know you were there for a lot
of them.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
What was it like seeing people that you would never
usually see in a presidential receiving line.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What was it like seeing people like that?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's wild, It's that is actually a cool part, right,
You're like, oh, I get to meet this Oscar winner,
I get to meet this actor, or this Olympic gold medalist,
and you know, this athlete who's the best in the world,
or this you know, icon actor. It's just amazing, or musicians.
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You know, it's like the Kennedy Center Honors was always
one of those moments. And anytime we gave a medal,
you know, a medal of honor, when the president did that,
and you would hear the stories of some of these folks,
it was it was great. It was actually fun. Some
of them came to the podium too, some of them
really a lot of folks wanted to come to the podium,
and so we created opportunities for them to come to
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the podium and they you know, obviously to push an
important cause that mattered. But you know, I met Simone
Vials and that was she was like it was great.
Like I was going to the briefing room and she
had stopped by my office and she wanted to say hi.
And I'm like, Simone Viles wants to say hi to me.
And she was just wonderful. She was just lovely. But
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stuff like that was quite something. I mean, it's the
people's house, so you never know who you're.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Going to meet. That's right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And June and June teenth you spoke. And this year
they did not have a Juneteenth celebration because they don't
believe in Juneteenth. What was the importance to you of
that event?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I you know, it was important because it was an
opportunity to celebrate us and to be seen. And when
I was asked to speak, it was really special and
I appreciated the opportunity to be part of the program.
And you know, and I think they felt as a
first as someone who mattered and a community that I love,
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the black community. They thought it was people thought it
was important for me to speak. And you know, this
was an administration. Our administration, the Biden Harris administration was
the most diverse administration in modern history. And I think
the fact that we were elevated, and also so that
people can see us. You know, it was special. It
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was just really really special. This was truly a privilege
and an honor to have and to have been White
House pres secretary.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Did you live in the White House?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I never You can't google that sort of thing, so
I have to ask the person themselves, did you live
in the White House?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So I never physically lived in the White House, but
it certainly felt like it. You know, you worked six
seven days a week, fifteen plus hour days, you're always
on call. It doesn't feel like it. But I never
actually lived in the White House.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
We got to hit a quick break, So don't go
anywhere you're listening to now, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So only the presidents slept at the White House.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, So you have the residence, which is on the
other side of the White House. You have the West wing,
the East wing, and in the east wing there's the residence,
and they're in the residence. Obviously, the East wing, I
guess doesn't exist anymore, and I don't know what they
did with the residents. But in the residence, that's usually
where the President, the first Lady, their family and friends
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could come and visit. But also that's where they lived.
Even I think I even saw the Lincoln bedroom, which
is really cool.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Wow, I wouldn't dare go inside. That is so hot,
that is so scary, I wouldn't do it. And it
was a really great The White House is a great experience.
And so yes, now you're on the road and you're
hitting the book tour. Yes, I want to know how
many stops have you done so far and what has
been your favorite?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So that's a great way. So last week I did
four stops. This week I did one yesterday. I'm leaving
late tonight to go to Chicago. I'm going to be
going to Chicago, Atlanta's La San Francisco, New York, and
I come back and do DC a couple stops in
d C. So there's a lot going on. I've been
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pretty pretty busy all over the place, and so far,
I could tell you my favorite stops are the ones
with young people when I do these college stops, because
it's an I'm in awe of young people and how
they are managing their life and how they see their
trajectory post college. And I'm also really honored that they
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come to my event to hear from me and to
want to know how to get involved. And so because
they're the future. I mean, young people are the future.
If we don't keep them engaged, then it's a problem.
They're gonna have to fix a lot of the stuff
that we messed up, sadly, and so we need their
voice and we need them to be involved. I always
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tell people, young people, please run, Please get engaged, please
get involved. And so if I can do that, if
I can excite someone to stay involved or get involved,
that I've done my job. I feel like I've done
what I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Absolutely. Did the President get his copy? Have you been
in touch with the PA?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yes, he did. I've not heard from him, but I
just speak to him recently. He called me to check
in to see how I was doing, and he has
this copy. But he's been pretty busy too. He's been
on the road. I've seen him, you know, going back
and forth across the country. So good for him.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm going to catch him one I'm gonna catch him
one time.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You will. He's gonna love to see you. And as
you know, he was, you know, dealing with pancreatic cancer
and it sounds like he's on the other side of that.
So he's a fighter. I'm glad that they've gone through
that process, and you know, I'm wishing him the best
doing well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, and he got his copy and I'm gona get
my copy. And this is I'm gonna save a question,
a very important question for the very end. So I
few more minutes here, and so I want to know
about about this process like hitting the road. It's different
staying in the White House and going to your office
and going to the briefing room and then going mobile
and going to the tour.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Do you have a tour bus? Like what is this like?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Ah? No, tour bus. No, No, it's not that level.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You know, not a.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Musician or a politician or you know, a candidate. But
it's been it's exhausting. And you have a car that
picks you up, takes you to the next you know event.
You go to the green room, you get ready, you
go backstage, you get miked up, you go out, you
have a conversation, you sign books, you go back to
your hotel, or you go on the you know, take
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a plane or a car to where you're going next.
It's exhausting. I think I did like last week, I
did four cities in maybe three four days. But I've
enjoyed my conversations. I've enjoyed seeing people. I've enjoyed the
opportunity to talk to tell my story. But yeah, it's
it's not for the faint of heart. But it doesn't
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last very long. Like the bulk of it in the
first two weeks, and then you still do tours and
you still go out there and do book events, but
it's it's not as intense.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, where can people? Where can viewer shop for the book?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You can go on Amazon, you can go on my
website Korean Jean Pierre dot com and get yourself a copy,
and or a local bookstore. I always appreciate when people
support independent bookstore. But if you want, if you want
it really quick, and then there's the audio version of
it too, So if you want to hear my voice,
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you could do the audio version. A lot of people
do audiobooks.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's something Yeah easier.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, it's easier, and you get it right away. You
don't have to wait, so you can get the audiobook.
So please support the book. I hope it has a
lesson for you and it gives you some guidance. And
I really am trying to get people engaged.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I'm gonna post it on social media. It's gonna
be really I.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Appreciate that to be able to get this out there.
And I don't know if the viewers know this, but
I'm a ghostwriter and I wrote like the very end
of it, so a lot of what you see at
the end is written by me.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well that's the inspirational part. It wouldn't be too surprising.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So here's the big question that I've been waiting to
ask you.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Are you ready I read it? Can I see you
again at your book tour?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I would love to see you. I'm gonna be in Atlanta,
yes Thursday.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Can you come, yes please.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
With all my folks, get in touch with your folks.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I can give you a.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Big hug and we can take your selfee okay, we.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Love those sign your book absolutely, we love both.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm excited me too.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I can't wait to see you, and thank you so
much for coming on now you know, and everyone can
go shop for the book where she told you.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Bye, my friend, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That was our interview with Kaarine Jean Pierre. I had
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favorite interviews that I've done here on Now You Know,
so Thank you so much for former White House Press
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
All Ron Welcome to Now You Know.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm your host No de Brosso and today I'm honored
to be joined by Karine Jean Pierre, the former White
House Press Secretary and history making figure who has shaped
conversations at the highest level of American government. In her
new book, Karine opens up about the path that brought
her from grassroots organizing to the podium in.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The White House briefing room.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's a story about persistence, representation, and the lessons learned
while navigating leadership under public scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
What it really takes to serve in one of the
most visible communication roles in the world, the values that
guided her decisions, and how she helps her story might
encourage the next generation to step forward with courage and clarity.
So let's get into it. Here's my conversation with Karine
Jean Pierre.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hi, it's so good to see it's so so, so
so so good to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I know, I miss not seeing you on the road.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Or I know how I know we gotta find a
new meatoup spot because they changed the locks on us.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, they changed the lots.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
That's one way to put it. That's one way to
put it. That's one way. How's your mom doing?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
She good, She's doing good.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
She loves you very much, and she was so excited
about this interview.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Good please sell her.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I sent, Hey, absolutely, I cannot wait for this. Let's
get it started.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Huh okay, let's do it. It's so good to see you,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You too, So how have you been lately? Give us
a little bit of a summary.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Oh I love that question. Thanks for asking. We need
to ask each other that how have you been lately?
I've been okay. You know, I've been just trying to
be focused and measured and rested, and you know, spending
a lot of time with my daughter and my family
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and rest. I mean, being in the White House for
four years was exhausting, exhausting, and so it's been nice
to do that. And now I'm on a book tour,
so that's all changed. But that's what I did for
most of most of the year, was just trying to
take a breath. Just take a breath.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, a much well deserved and needed breath.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Huh. Yes, my friend, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So when I very very first met you, it was
at a fundraising event for the President where I got
to share the stage with him for a brief moment,
and I'm I'm under the impression I have a small
conspiracy theory that you set that up.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I don't know, I don't know, but it was.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
A very great anything for you. You're so incredibly impressive
and we we loved you. The President loved you, and
he got to he got he got to love seeing
you at the events. So actually, I know you're you
have this podcast, but I can't wait to see what
you do, my friend. I can't wait to see you
conquer the world.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I really really appreciate that. So the difference between now,
let's get it started. I'm so excited. I've been so
excited to talk to you. So the difference between now
and when we last saw each other is that you're
no longer a card carrying Democrat, and even though you
still have the same big hearted ideology of everyone is welcome,
everyone has a seat at the table, why did the
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party affiliation change?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So a couple of things. I think a lot of
it is the moment that we're in and I have been.
I think like million of amer millions of Democrats in
the party. You see the polling, and there's a lot
of disappointment in the Democratic leadership right now, especially what
we're looking at coming out of the White House. Our
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democracy is hanging by a shoestring and it's and you know,
one of the things that President Joe Biden used to
say all the time is it's a democracy if we
fight for it. It's such a young democracy, and we
have to fight for it or we'll lose it. I'm paraphrasing.
It's one of those lines where if you can keep
it right, if you can keep it And I am
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really worried and scared for my family, for people that
I love, communities that I love, and I wanted to
find a way to use my voice right now to
really lift up what's happening in this moment. And for me,
it was Okay, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna write
this book. What can I do to grab attention in
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the sense of what's going on in our party. So
that's one piece of it. And if you look at
independence more broadly, there are millions of independents. Young people
are becoming independence more and more and more. And if
you have millions of people across the country who see
themselves at independence because they don't see themselves in the
Democratic Party or the Republican Party. But when there's a primary,
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there are these close primaries and they can't participate, then
the system is fundamentally broken. And so my feeling of
that is we have to do something to make sure
people are included in people's voices have a space in
this political process. And right now the political process is
much more too. It's just too centered on parties and
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it should be about the people.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And you spoke about the primaries, will you be will
it be a little disappointing to you that you can't
participate in the super fun democratic primaries.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I know, I love looking at yeah, one thousand percent,
but it's also millions of us who are independents can't participate.
You know, again, the system is broken and needs to
be fixed. And you know, if you want to participate
in a primary. Someone came up to me the other
day and she had decided to run an election. This
is a while back, and she was an independent. She
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didn't want to join any of the party affiliations, but
in order to participate, she had to. So she became
a demo and she was like, it wasn't something that
she wanted to do, but she really believed in her
calling to run for office. And so that's something we
have to fix.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You have to fix that, right, And we both went
super duper hard for Joe Biden in both primaries. And
I want to know, well, you have support if you
can't predict the future, but in your vision right now
do you have Do you see yourself supporting any Democratic
primary candidate?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I think honestly, Noah, we have to wait and see.
We really have to wait and see. In twenty twenty
eight is so far away, and I want to see
the leadership get themselves together. I want to see the
party get themselves together and see what happens. Obviously, it's
going to be twenty twenty eight. It's going to be
critical and important. Like you said, it's hard to predict
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the future in this moment, in this time, but there
are elections happening right now, right there are critical elections
happening in New Jersey for example, in Virginia for example.
And so my message to people is just because I'm
saying I'm independent. I'm not saying I'm not going to
get involved, and I want people to get involved. I
think it's important, especially for young people to get politically
(07:12):
involved in their community, in the political process. Run if
you want to figure out how to get your voice
included in what's happening. And that's why we were always
so impressed with you, because obviously you're so politically aware
and a stude and I want that for all young people.
And so my message. I've been talking to college universities
and I'm like, my message is not to step away.
(07:34):
My message is to get involved even more. And so
the book has certainly a roadmap to getting involved and
claiming your own kind of independence if you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Will, absolutely and I encourage you to move to Georgia
because we have open primaries. You can crash that Republican primary,
you can ruin there. There you go vote for Democrats.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And that's smart, right, that's smart because everybody participate in
the process.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Move on down, Come on down to Georgia. Yes, I'll
be there, you'll be there.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
How do you feel about like the current Democratic Party leadership?
Back in December, it was I did a viral TV
clip where I criticized the candidates for D and C
chair and they didn't like it. How do you feel
about the current leadership because of anything, we can both
do a Democratic Party walk out.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
How do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, good for you for speaking your mind. I think
it's important and your voice matters. So thank you for
being very clear about how you felt and sharing that
information for others so that they understood where you were
coming from. I think that's really important. I'm very disappointed
in the party leadership. I am. I don't see enough.
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I don't feel like they're fighting for vulnerable, vulnerable communities enough.
I don't think there's one message. I actually feel that
the Democratic Party should be more like the Opposition Party
right now, because where we are and what we're fighting
for should be a moral agenda and what's the right
thing to do and reimagining the future, and I think
I want to see more. One of the things that
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really disappointed me and you were talking about December, and
I'll move to January of this year. In February was
when Democratic senators just you know, rubber stamped Trump's appointees
who were unqualified, unqualified and it's giving up your power.
And they were also behaving as if business as usual,
(09:29):
and you can't behave as business as usual right now.
And that's a message, right, The message is Democrats, you
have to stand up in a different way and push
back in a different way and not just be as Okay,
we're the party, they're the crazy party, but we're the
sane party. And so we're going to try and work
with them. No, no, no, they don't want to work with us.
They don't. They're making that clear.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, And away from that, on a more exciting note,
you just wrote your book. Yeah, and what made you
want to write a book now? You've done so much
exciting things. What made you want to do the book now?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So I was after we left the administration. I was
just kind of mining my business, going to the supermarket
and you know, at the airport, and people were coming
up to me and they were really scared, and they
were asking me, what do we do now? What do
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we do? What do we do? Why aren't the Democrats prepared?
They should have known. They knew since November that this
was going to happen. They knew about Project twenty twenty five,
for example, and what was happening at the time. If
you remember it was anti DEI kind of rhetoric. It
was attacks on our agencies, our federal agencies and you know,
(10:46):
our federal workers and programs that were really essential and
important to people. And that was just the beginning. They've
done so much more since then. And I wanted to
give people hope and inspiration and a roadmap up to
how do they get involved in what we can do
as community. And that was the idea for the book
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and how to move forward.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Does this book recount similar experiences to Kamala Harris's One
hundred and seven Days book?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, it does. I mean, look, when you're first, it
is difficult, it is hard, and while people galvanize around
you and lift you up to be a first, sometimes
you don't get the support. And I really relate to
Vice President Kamala Harris's book because we had similar experiences.
Obviously she was vice president, but we had similar experiences.
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I was a first as White House Press Secretary, and
there was a feeling as if you know, people want
you to fail and don't want to lift you up,
and you don't get the support. So I get that.
I get that feeling that she had, and I'm proud
that I'm glad that she wrote it. I think it's
(11:59):
important reads. She's such an important part of history in
many ways. And I haven't had a chance to read
it yet because I've been busy with my own my
own book tour. So hopefully when the holidays come around,
I'll be able to sit with her book and read it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And now you know, with no de Braso, we'll be
right back. Speaking of all your experiences, you became one
of the most visible press secretaries in American history. I'm
gonna call myself out. I can't really name another one.
So you became one of the most visible, and all
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of that had to do with you being the most
qualified press secretary of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And how do you feel.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
About, of course, how do you feel about the current
press secretary and her resume.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So I'll say this, I have not watched any of
her briefings. Again, I've been focusing on self care and
trying to really be in the moment and be there
for my family, and so I haven't watched. But obviously
I've seen clips and viral clips that have gone out there.
And what I'll say is that it is so important
to have freedom of the press, that briefing room is
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so critical because not only are you exercising in democracy
by taking questions from the press, the press is the
fourth of state, as they've been called. You are also
showing the country, but the world that the United States
cares about the freedom of the press, yes, but our democracy.
And what the press does is they hold powerful people
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to account. And when you take that away, when you
take away their freedom to report and their independence, if
you will, their ability to ask hard questions, then essentially
you're becoming state TV. That's what North Korea does, right,
That's what Russia does, That's what dictators do. And so
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that's a concern that I have at the taking away
that ability. What they do, the press do and they
give the American people an eye insight of the most
powerful political operation in the world, and that's the White House,
and the American people have the right to see that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And you were a very good friend to the opposition.
In fact, you flicked up with that one guy from
Fox News when you left.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That was that was so fun? How was it? What
was that like?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Oh my gosh, look it was you know. I first
of all, let me just say being White House Press
Secretary was a privilege and an honor to have been
able to be in that position. I would not have
been White House Press secretary. So it wasn't for Joe
Biden believing in me and being at that podium behind
that lectern. I was always in awe of that position,
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an awe of having that ability, you know, given that
opportunity to speak for this president and also for the
for the American people. So it was great. I mean, look,
the job was hard. It was really hard. The press
Corps was tough on us, and we fought back and forth.
But you know, we didn't hide from them. You know,
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we did not take their questions. We actually tried to
exercise again. And what is incredibly important in that back
and forth that you see in the briefing room that's
televised globally is democracy.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Absolutely, And speaking of different types of press as press secretary,
I always wanted to know your thoughts on having influencers
in the press room. What did you think about something
like that?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Look, I think one thing that we have to be
really an all of us, a democratic party, all of us.
Any leaders or organization that communicates to a certain constituency,
you have to move with the times you have to
be able to meet the moment. And what I mean
by that is people get their information so many different ways.
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It's not necessarily traditional ways anymore. They get it from
social media, they get it from influencers, as you just mentioned.
And one thing that we tried to do we didn't
truve very often. We tried to open up the briefing
room to us to people who wouldn't not necessarily have access,
and so we would do these virtual briefings or give
(16:09):
an opportunity to someone to dial in virtually and I
would ask a question. And so you have to reimagine
and move with the moment and understand, oh yeah, you
know what, we have to communicate with these folks here,
or we have to you know, really bring other platforms
in what we're trying to do as we're reaching out
to the American people. And that's hard because it's moving
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so fast. It's moving so fast, and I think influencers
are important. One of the things that we did is,
as you know, we did a lot of interviews with
influencers because they had such a massive reach. We held
press briefings, you know, separate press briefings with influencers. The
presidents spoke with influencer. The Vice president I did, and
we brought them to the White House. So we were
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very attuned and aware on how to do that. All
the importance of doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Would you take a question from Lindell TV during a
press briefing? Would you've partaken that Lindell TV? I think
so that. I just learned of that, of the existence
of that as they got us slow.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So I gotta tell you, I don't even know what
that is. I don't know tell me what that.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Is Mike Lindell's telenew Television Company.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. Look,
I mean, I mean, here's here's the thing that was
really hard. I'm going to be very honest because the
briefing room was open to people who had press credentials
and were able to show that they had some following
or part of an audience, that they had an audience,
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and so we never controlled who came in. We took
questions from people who may have not had a big
following or what didn't have actual journalist credentials, but we
didn't we we couldn't really control that because it was
not hard to get press access into the briefing room.
So wasn't really up to me if they had access.
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It was up to the White House Correspondent Association and
the process it was to get into the briefing room
and watch my briefings. I tried to take questions from everyone.
Sometimes I would get a question from someone where I'm like, oh,
this can't be a real journalist, and you just try
to do the best that you can and then you
move forward. That is the interesting part about the White
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House Press briefing room. It's very different, and I don't
think people know this is very different than the Capital
and the press that walks around in the Capital. They
are much more stringent and their rules are very very
clear on who can walk around with press credentials. And
it was very different than the White House. So I
could easily have taken a question from him and not
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even realized it, or by the time I realized it,
I was like, oh, okay, well that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well let's have some fun for a second and talk
about the White House House. And so tell me what
was your favorite event you guys hosted.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh that's a good question. My gosh, we did so
many historical things and had some great events at the
White House. I always loved Christmas time holiday times because
the East Wing was gorgeous and beautiful. The first Lady
doctor Biden and her team did such an incredible job.
(19:26):
But I would say after not the nomination, but after
she got through her nomination the committee process of Kataji
Bron Jackson. So when she became Justice Kataji Bron Jackson
and we held an event on the South Lawn, it
was just it was such a good feeling. I remember
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it was like April of twenty twenty two. I wasn't
even Press secretary yet everybody felt good. Everybody felt alive
and happy, and it was such an amazing moment. And
she's now an icon.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
She's an icon.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, and it's doing amazing work in the Supreme on
the Supreme Court, amazing work. Her voice is so needed
right now.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And I think my favorite event was the Black History
Month celebration.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I think you attended. I believe you attended that. I'm
pretty sure I did. Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It was such an everyone was everyone was very close.
It was a very close event as opposed to like
the concerts.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The concert I.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Hear what you're saying, Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
I love that the intimate events are very beautiful, Like
it's so special.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yes, and I know you were there for a lot
of them.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
What was it like seeing people that you would never
usually see in a presidential receiving line.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What was it like seeing people like that?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's wild, It's that is actually a cool part, right,
You're like, oh, I get to meet this Oscar winner,
I get to meet this actor, or this Olympic gold medalist,
and you know, this athlete who's the best in the world,
or this you know, icon actor. It's just amazing, or musicians.
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You know, it's like the Kennedy Center Honors was always
one of those moments. And anytime we gave a medal,
you know, a medal of honor, when the president did that,
and you would hear the stories of some of these folks,
it was it was great. It was actually fun. Some
of them came to the podium too, some of them
really a lot of folks wanted to come to the podium,
and so we created opportunities for them to come to
(21:28):
the podium and they you know, obviously to push an
important cause that mattered. But you know, I met Simone
Vials and that was she was like it was great.
Like I was going to the briefing room and she
had stopped by my office and she wanted to say hi.
And I'm like, Simone Viles wants to say hi to me.
And she was just wonderful. She was just lovely. But
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stuff like that was quite something. I mean, it's the
people's house, so you never know who you're.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Going to meet. That's right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And June and June teenth you spoke. And this year
they did not have a Juneteenth celebration because they don't
believe in Juneteenth. What was the importance to you of
that event?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I you know, it was important because it was an
opportunity to celebrate us and to be seen. And when
I was asked to speak, it was really special and
I appreciated the opportunity to be part of the program.
And you know, and I think they felt as a
first as someone who mattered and a community that I love,
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the black community. They thought it was people thought it
was important for me to speak. And you know, this
was an administration. Our administration, the Biden Harris administration was
the most diverse administration in modern history. And I think
the fact that we were elevated, and also so that
people can see us. You know, it was special. It
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was just really really special. This was truly a privilege
and an honor to have and to have been White
House pres secretary.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Did you live in the White House?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I never You can't google that sort of thing, so
I have to ask the person themselves, did you live
in the White House?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So I never physically lived in the White House, but
it certainly felt like it. You know, you worked six
seven days a week, fifteen plus hour days, you're always
on call. It doesn't feel like it. But I never
actually lived in the White House.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
We got to hit a quick break, So don't go
anywhere you're listening to now, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So only the presidents slept at the White House.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, So you have the residence, which is on the
other side of the White House. You have the West wing,
the East wing, and in the east wing there's the residence,
and they're in the residence. Obviously, the East wing, I
guess doesn't exist anymore, and I don't know what they
did with the residents. But in the residence, that's usually
where the President, the first Lady, their family and friends
(24:03):
could come and visit. But also that's where they lived.
Even I think I even saw the Lincoln bedroom, which
is really cool.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Wow, I wouldn't dare go inside. That is so hot,
that is so scary, I wouldn't do it. And it
was a really great The White House is a great experience.
And so yes, now you're on the road and you're
hitting the book tour. Yes, I want to know how
many stops have you done so far and what has
been your favorite?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So that's a great way. So last week I did
four stops. This week I did one yesterday. I'm leaving
late tonight to go to Chicago. I'm going to be
going to Chicago, Atlanta's La San Francisco, New York, and
I come back and do DC a couple stops in
d C. So there's a lot going on. I've been
(24:52):
pretty pretty busy all over the place, and so far,
I could tell you my favorite stops are the ones
with young people when I do these college stops, because
it's an I'm in awe of young people and how
they are managing their life and how they see their
trajectory post college. And I'm also really honored that they
(25:14):
come to my event to hear from me and to
want to know how to get involved. And so because
they're the future. I mean, young people are the future.
If we don't keep them engaged, then it's a problem.
They're gonna have to fix a lot of the stuff
that we messed up, sadly, and so we need their
voice and we need them to be involved. I always
(25:34):
tell people, young people, please run, Please get engaged, please
get involved. And so if I can do that, if
I can excite someone to stay involved or get involved,
that I've done my job. I feel like I've done
what I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Absolutely. Did the President get his copy? Have you been
in touch with the PA?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yes, he did. I've not heard from him, but I
just speak to him recently. He called me to check
in to see how I was doing, and he has
this copy. But he's been pretty busy too. He's been
on the road. I've seen him, you know, going back
and forth across the country. So good for him.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm going to catch him one I'm gonna catch him
one time.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You will. He's gonna love to see you. And as
you know, he was, you know, dealing with pancreatic cancer
and it sounds like he's on the other side of that.
So he's a fighter. I'm glad that they've gone through
that process, and you know, I'm wishing him the best
doing well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, and he got his copy and I'm gona get
my copy. And this is I'm gonna save a question,
a very important question for the very end. So I
few more minutes here, and so I want to know
about about this process like hitting the road. It's different
staying in the White House and going to your office
and going to the briefing room and then going mobile
and going to the tour.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Do you have a tour bus? Like what is this like?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Ah? No, tour bus. No, No, it's not that level.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You know, not a.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Musician or a politician or you know, a candidate. But
it's been it's exhausting. And you have a car that
picks you up, takes you to the next you know event.
You go to the green room, you get ready, you
go backstage, you get miked up, you go out, you
have a conversation, you sign books, you go back to
your hotel, or you go on the you know, take
(27:13):
a plane or a car to where you're going next.
It's exhausting. I think I did like last week, I
did four cities in maybe three four days. But I've
enjoyed my conversations. I've enjoyed seeing people. I've enjoyed the
opportunity to talk to tell my story. But yeah, it's
it's not for the faint of heart. But it doesn't
(27:35):
last very long. Like the bulk of it in the
first two weeks, and then you still do tours and
you still go out there and do book events, but
it's it's not as intense.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, where can people? Where can viewer shop for the book?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You can go on Amazon, you can go on my
website Korean Jean Pierre dot com and get yourself a copy,
and or a local bookstore. I always appreciate when people
support independent bookstore. But if you want, if you want
it really quick, and then there's the audio version of
it too, So if you want to hear my voice,
(28:10):
you could do the audio version. A lot of people
do audiobooks.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's something Yeah easier.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, it's easier, and you get it right away. You
don't have to wait, so you can get the audiobook.
So please support the book. I hope it has a
lesson for you and it gives you some guidance. And
I really am trying to get people engaged.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I'm gonna post it on social media. It's gonna
be really I.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Appreciate that to be able to get this out there.
And I don't know if the viewers know this, but
I'm a ghostwriter and I wrote like the very end
of it, so a lot of what you see at
the end is written by me.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well that's the inspirational part. It wouldn't be too surprising.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So here's the big question that I've been waiting to
ask you.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Are you ready I read it? Can I see you
again at your book tour?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I would love to see you. I'm gonna be in Atlanta,
yes Thursday.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Can you come, yes please.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
With all my folks, get in touch with your folks.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I can give you a.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Big hug and we can take your selfee okay, we.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Love those sign your book absolutely, we love both.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm excited me too.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I can't wait to see you, and thank you so
much for coming on now you know, and everyone can
go shop for the book where she told you.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Bye, my friend, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That was our interview with Kaarine Jean Pierre. I had
so much fun. It was truly one of my favorite
favorite interviews that I've done here on Now You Know,
so Thank you so much for former White House Press
Secretary Kaarine Jean Pierre for joining us today. Download the episode,
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