Dana Dahlquist Interview: His top piece of advice for golfers of all skill levels, a look into working with Beau Hossler and why communication is more crucial than technology

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's episode fifty one of Off Course with Claude Harmon,
comes to you every Wednesday. This week's guest swing instructor,
Dana Douglass, Top fifty teacher for Golf Digest, Top one
Golf magazine, works with Bow Hustler, so you'll see him
out on tour working with him. Let's worked with Charlie
Howell the Third in the past, and UM just a

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really really knowledgeable UM one of the guys that I
think is kind of in that new school camp. And UM.
A lot of people have asked me through social media
to get Danta on, so UM figured it was time
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the interview with Dana dlqu al. Right, my guest today

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is Dana dogas Dana. When I put out UM at
the beginning of the year, I put out on my
social um people that uh they wanted me to bring
on the show. A lot of golfers and instructors said
your name. So I'm glad we're finally able to do this.
What's going on? How's everything born and raised in the
LBC out in Long Beach? What's going on in Cali. Yeah,

(02:29):
I mean, to be honest, just the same stuff, but
just a lot of range time. Um uh, I got
off a little early to do this, thankfully. I'm more
than happy to do it. Um. Otherwise they'll find me
on the range all day long. So um, which is great.
I mean I think, Um, the best representation I can

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do is at least do it. So yeah, but everything's great. Yeah,
I mean it's great. How about you, Bud, I'm good.
I think a lot of times, Danna, when players are instructors,
other instructors that don't work with people on tour that
see you out on tour with you know oo Hustler
and the other you know girls on the LPGA that
you work with, they think that all you do is

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travel on tour and then when you're home you're just
not teaching. Like me, you're a golf instructor. I'm gonna
shown fully's the opposite of us. Right when Falls isn't
out on the range on a PGA tour event, um,
Falls always kid Falls. He he doesn't work with Mr
and Mrs Hafercamp. He's not given regular golf lessons. He
only works with superstars and people that are competing what

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do you still like because I love teaching golf. So
whether I'm doing it on tour, whether I'm doing at home,
it's it's it's always something that I'm going to do.
I don't really care what type of golf it is.
Are Are you still like that or are you gravitor
gravitating more towards players that are trying to play compete.
That's a really good question. You know. I would say

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like eight percent of my clientele is obviously college, you know,
mini tour, the kind of that echelon couple tour players.
I mean, it doesn't it doesn't really matter when you
look at on the bell curve because in all reality,
everybody's human. But you know, like today I gave two
lessons to beginners, and you know, I mean they practice

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and they hit balls and whatever, but you know, it
was fundamental stuff. It was like set up and creating
and try to I try to explain it to them
in a way where it's like, look, you know, your
ball is going there. Your ball is going there, but
it's not a snowflake golf swing. Every time it's like
a fingerprint. So, um, whatever you're doing is causing all
these myriad of things to happen. So when you get

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into like, look, this is a pattern, you've gotta have
the proper grand proper set up ball position and then
kind of get the club moving in the right way.
And I mean we could take it anyway. I mean
you could say, hey, like, if you're a beginner you
have contact issues, let's stack your left, have your handle
ford and make contact or whatever. But I find those
to be not only enjoyable, and I think you would

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agree with me with this, it actually makes your skill
set better even with a better player, um, because you
still at the end of the day, I got to
get some result out of this. And you can't just
throw like your pattern on top of them and say, okay,
well that's what's gonna work. I mean, they need to
leave with something because they're paying you for your time,
and I understand that, but you know they're looking for

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improvement and it better be quick. And and most of
my lessons, Claude, I know, I know you and and
and anybody that we mentioned it's on the PGA tour coaching.
They're all good coaches. So I'm sure you don't get
there by not being a good coach. I mean you're
a good communicator, you're a good problem solver, your technician,
I mean, you're probably a myriad of other things. I mean,

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we could save our life coaches too in many ways
because we're dealing with you know, you know, I miss
my flight or whatever. But I think when you really
break it down, I think we get a better skill
set dealing with amateur players, um, because we see things
that we don't commonly see with a guy who moves
or girl that moves really well, that's been doing it

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for a long time. So I find that to be
the fun part. I always say that when people ask
me if I still give regular golf lessons, always say
that I'm basically a stand up comedian and the p
G A tour is a romantic comedy and there's a
big budget and it's really really cool. But at the
end of the day, you know, all the all the

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comedians that you see that make it into films and
movies and TV and stuff that grow on to do
great things. Jerry Seinfeld is stand up comedian. He's on
tour right, He's on tour doing stand up comedy. I mean,
Kevin Hart does stand up comedy. All the people that
you see in movies and TV shows, and I always
think that I'm basically a stand up comedian. The PGA

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Tour is a big budget movie and it's cool and
everybody gets to see it. But I've always said to
the guys that worked for me, you know, teaching regular
golfers will keep you ground. It's it's it's where I
think you learn your craft. And I think that, um,
it's interesting for you to say that you know grip

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stance posture because I think a lot of people and
when when when when I first kind of knew about you,
I would have thought that you were part of this
kind of you know mac O'Grady, Mourad, you know, all
that kind of stuff. And I think a lot of
instructors today, Dan, in my opinion, don't realize how much

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basic fundamentals or the blueprint for all of the other
stuff that they're trying to do. Yeah, yeah, I think
that's a really Um. I mean, at the end of
the day, whether we label and put something in a
in a box or whatnot, there has to be some
simmons of relationship to you know, setting up even if

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it's putting. I mean, it doesn't really matter if you
can't consistently have a procedure that you can do over
and over and over again. It doesn't matter, you know
what your left arm looks like, your left wrist or
whatever in the back swing. I think I get a
lot of those. I get a lot of people that
come in and they see something on social media that
kind of cueues them in, and then when they arrive,

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we can't even get there, like because they're so down
the rabbit hole of other stuff. Um, and then it
comes back to this whole thing of fundamentals. I mean
it really, really truly. Um, if a guy comes in
with their tilts and shoulders open and their heads in
front of their pelvis set up, and we're trying to
hit a driver, I don't care what they do with
their hips on the down swine, it's just not gonna work.

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So um, yeah, I think it's funny also, Claude, like
you're saying about the stand up part, Like all those
guys that you mentioned right, those names historically also have
stood the test of time. I mean, every one of
them is for twenty five years of them doing that.
They're not a flash in the pan, you know. And

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I think that's something that whenever I do things like this,
And I know I enjoy all the talks that you give.
There's one thing that's pretty common is everybody works really
really hard. They're consistently worked worked hard for a long time,
and in reality, like, yeah, we might teach kind of
quasi differently, communicate a little differently, but the end of

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the day, we all do the same thing and and
that's what's cool. But I might have not said that
twenty years ago, might not said that twenty five years ago.
Twenty five years ago. The things that I thought that
were important, they still kind of have some importance. But
a lot of the stuff about the communication side and

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watching behavior of individuals and how they behave when they
are trying to golf or they're trying to prepare for
a tournament or whatever that may be is an interesting
study to watch. And I use the word study lightly
because you know, I'm not necessarily a bookworm, but um,
it's an observation. And and before I kind of just

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would like brush that off twenty years ago and say, well,
he didn't do something in a swing. That's why he's
hitting it the way he's hitting it. Well, it could
be a lot of different reasons. Could be the way
that they prepped or how they thought about things, or
maybe there are emotional who knows. But that's why I like,
really really enjoy it, not only on the golf side
of it, but like this human this human side of

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it too. It's it's an interesting thing if you had
to describe to the listeners what it is that you
believe as an instructor that makes good golf swings. You know,
what is the elevator pitch that that you would give
to say, listen, this is kind of what I believe,
Dana gold quiz. This is me, this is what I
believe about the golf swing, and this is what I

(11:01):
try and get players to do. Yeah, well, I would
say like from a fundamental impact position, I would say
that try to get a player to have very good
impact alignments without calling out spin, loft and a lot stuff,
but good impact alignments with a pretty predictable face to
path relationship. I think if you can do that from

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every level, get them to have good contact and some
whether their drawers or faders or whatever, they're going to
play better. And um, yeah, I think that's pretty universal.
You know, you talked to good players on tour and
they all hit it a little different, different launch angles,
different curves, their distances, but they all hit the middle

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of the face, and I think getting a player to
feel that and understand that. And it's slightly different for
skill set, right, I mean different. You know, somebody who's
swinging eighty miles is gonna swing different than twenty so
their impact is going to be different. But you still
out at the side of things. Yeah, And do you

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think in in two, Um, there seems to be a
lot of different camps, right. There seems to be the
camps of the old school guys like you know, my dad,
you know, Um, I think Brandy Smith is very much
an old school guy. Um, there's the new school guys
who use a lot of technology and and and and

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all of that. And then there's guys that you know
kind of I think they actually like to be on
the fringe, right, They kind of like to kind of
put themselves, you know, in kind of a different box
and everything like that. Um, Chris, com up what I mean?

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In two, where do you think we are in golf
instruction today? Because um, you know, there's so much information
out there. I mean, the student now has access to
more information. They have access to the same information that
we have. Where is back of the day as a
golfer you came in for a golf less and there
wasn't a lot. You could read a couple of books,

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but I'm given gold. I wonder where you think we
are today as instruction in golf. That is a long
conversation in a great one. So, UM, I look at
today and I watched the young kids as kind of

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the test. So you know, we're talking to even eight
years old, eight nine year olds. They look amazing technically, right,
And that's one facet of it because they have more information.
You have launch monitors, three D force plates, all that
kind of stuff. So I agree all the informations out there,
and I would say in some respects, you know, maybe

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it was a more technical guy, and I tried to
as I've gotten older, I've tried to make sure to
be very observant of the guys that came before me.
And the reason for that is that that balances out
me as a coach. Right, if I stay too far
in the technical realm, what X, y Z, or however

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you want to phrase it. Um, I'm once again pushing
myself so far over here that I'm I'm losing balances
as a teacher and as a coach. So when a
player goes out there and doesn't play to their expectation levels, UM,
and I keep dropping the narrative that you're not doing this,
they might be trying to do that. So that's when
the coach comes in and has to either explain it differently, UM,

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maybe even dismiss it at times that it's not important
and maybe just need to hit a different shot or
whatever the narrative is. That's where the coaching side comes in.
And I think there is an art to that. That's
where the art piece comes in. Because it doesn't mean
that the people before me weren't technicians. They were. It
was just a different era in a different communication style

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and delivering it. And and I think I have to
make sure to explain to you know, not only myself,
but also the younger guys coming up, who, by the way, Claude,
the younger teachers coming up no more than I do
at their age. I mean it leaps and bounds. I
mean it's it's off the charts because they were developed

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in it, they're they're growing in it. So the learning
curve I had coming in, Um, they're learning three or
four times faster because all that information is out there.
But you can't dismiss the fact that communication and getting
somebody confident is the coaching side, and I think that
takes that's not something that you don't. You have to

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get that from experience. Like at the end of the day,
you are going to observe other teachers how they interact
with their with their players, and you have to get
that experience because something's going to come along. That's a
challenge that you can't just pull out of a book,
like that's the that's the art of it. And you
can't just do that by you know, sitting on a

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computer or looking at film. I mean, you just can't.
And I think that's what's really really important. I would
say there's there's one kid in particular that is on
the East Coast and he works a lot of juniors,
and it's fun watching him be on that side where
he's all about communication, he's all about fun, he's all

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about growing his junior program, and it's awesome to watch.
And I think, you know, that's polar opposite of me
when I was when I was his age, I was
all sitting behind a camera on drawing lines and trying
to make golf swings look perfect, and at the end
of the day, like, wouldn't it be nice back then
if I had that artful communication that I can bring

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in and create actually a better player and maybe a
better human. You know, I look at guys like my dad,
I look at guys like Lead, I look at guys
like Jim McLean. I mean there's a couple of instructors
that I see on a regular basis on the PGA
tour that have shipped all over all of these people, um,

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just because they think they're great at technology, And you know,
I think that, you know, you talk about the guys
that have come before us. I mean, I think it's
so easy in in two to look at three D,
to look at force play data, to look at launch
monitor data and go, oh yeah, you know, all the
things these guys were teaching was just so antiquated and

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so outdated. But you know, when you're twenty years further
forward and you realize that, you know, back in the day,
you didn't have in, you didn't have any I mean,
you and I have said in numerous seminars to where
you know, there's these massive arguments between all of these
people that that that have all of this information and
they're all of this stuff and they're saying, you know,

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you're you're wrong in what you're teaching and all of that,
and you know, do you why do you think there's
also today there is so much division in all of
this different information because I find it I'm not I mean,
I'm not part of that whole thing. You know, I
don't I don't get in arguments with people on social media.

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You know, I don't really try and get into that world.
But you know, you can go down the rabbit hole
of you know, the golf w RX forums and you
know all of these you know, the anti member, the
anti Summit and all of this stuff, And then why
do you think there is this massive division in people
that have information that they feel is based in fact

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and look at other people that have had success and
try and tear that success down and use their information
to say, well, you know, I've I've watched people that
you know, or in the instruction world, very very well
known people say that people like lead and my Dad

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and guys like Jim McLean you know, should be arrested
for teaching what they taught because they don't know anything.
And I'm like, you've got to be crazy to think
a guy like David Ledbetter doesn't know anything. I mean,
Lad produced some of the greatest helped produce and coach
some of the greatest players of any generation. And he's

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almost now. When I look at young instructors and you
talk to him about a guy like lead it's almost
like LEDs this punchline and I'm like, dude, you have
no idea how good in all of the things he did? Well? Yeah, yeah,
I think it's very easy, especially now. I mean social
media doesn't help. But even from a standpoint of you know,

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there is a level of ego and I hate throwing
that out there because ego could be negative and ego
could be positive, but it's not a positive vibe. And um,
you know what's funny is I can turn that to
myself ten years ago, like ten years ago, I was wrong,
twenty ago, I was wrong. And I that's why I

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don't really like getting into those discussions with you know,
technology and all this stuff, because yeah, I'll change what
I teach next tomorrow, Like I have no problem doing
it if it makes the player in front of me better.
And I think we have to as teachers, Like especially
I try. It's hard, but there needs to be some

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level of like humbleness that like, yeah, you're gonna find
the the guy you start working with tomorrow is gonna
have a whole suit of other issues. And the better
they are, those issues can become more challenging. And that
challenge might not be his three D or what he's doing.
It might just be his inherent challenges that he's dealing
with on a life basis. So I think it's it's

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very easy when we get data and that data attaches
itself to potentially an ego, and the ego gets out
there and starts throwing that around. That's a problem. That's
a real big problem. But I think what's cool and
and like I've had numerous conversations conversations with Jim, and

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like I look at him and I've had a lot
of his his younger instructors come out and take lessons
Jim not only on the tour side of things, but
even on the business side. He's gotten his his his
guy's jobs at really good courses. Um, he's has he
has a teaching curriculum that he's built. I mean, it's

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it's outstanding. So it's too easy to do that, too
easy to tear stuff down in reality when you see
what dynasties these guys have built for other people. And
that's the important side of things. But you know, and
maybe it's just the older I get, the softer I get,
or the more understanding I get of that. Um. And

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that's what I kind of notice about those guys particularly.
And and what's interesting, I've only had one conversation with
your father, um, and it was a pebble and it
actually went into wine. So we really didn't get into
golf shocker. So uh And to be fair, like I
had more interest in that conversation, so um. But yeah,

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he's a great one. And David I've met twice and
we never really got into golf stuff. But you know,
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Alcohol by volume. Elijah Craig reminds you to think wisely,
drink wisely. I read that you got into instruction because
you felt like you didn't get coached or taught properly
as a junior. What what did you mean by that statement? Yeah,

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it was interesting because I felt that I was a
pretty good athlete. You know here, I'm six ft two,
pretty strong, pretty good athlete, and the instruction that I
did get was not and it's nobody's fault but my
own obviously. But like I think it wasn't tailored kind
of in the right way. I wasn't coached in this

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nice um I would say, like in a three sixty
degree way where you need to get your short game better,
you need to put you need to here's your range time.
It wasn't just standing on the range and making your
swing work perfect. And that's what I always did. And
if I think if I if I was a little
bit more well rounded, I think everything would have been better.

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Like to be honest, like I didn't even practice a
lot of wedge stuff that I would perceive doing today.
You know, it was it was mainly like trying to
make the swing look better, and if I hit a
shot that didn't go the right way, I would work
on the swing. And that actually carried on, believe it
or not, like even into my coaching, like early first

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four or five years, it was specifically golf swing related
and where now it's a lot more like wedge combines
and you know, we do off like stand on one
side of the range of the other and we try
to find certain wins and like it's a lot more
performance space than it ever has been. And I think

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what's the testament to that was the type of client
tell that you start teaching, that's what they're looking for.
So you can't just do it or we're gonna swing
a hundred forty miles power with your driver, Like that's
not going to fit you competitively. Um. So yeah, I
think that's what's changed probably, I would say in the
last fifteen years. You know, it's being much more well
rounded work. And I think as as a lot of

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us got into instruction for a lot of myriad reasons,
and it's because the nature of us may be problem solving. Um.
I know a lot of guys like kind of also
the hang of it too, like they like to work
with their players and then play golf of them too. Like.
I think that's the beauty as you're not stuck in
office and you can actually be part of it, which
I find to be the best part. What were the

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major would you say, the influences that how do you
kind of get to where you are today? Was it
other instructors, was it ideas? What would you say kind
of shaped where you are today? Yeah, I mean the
obvious one, you know, Mac, I mean that was the
obvious one. Um, did you get to spend a lot

(26:18):
of time around Mac Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good and bad. Um.
But yeah that does Max still talk to you. No,
you're on the out now, okay. Yeah, well yeah we're
we're far far. Um. You know. I was out in
two thousand five and then back in in two thousand
six and out in two thousand five. I was basically,

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if we go back to like the earliest earliest years,
was like Bobby Laskin, who was in Tario Cura. That
was like the first you know, kind of the iteration
of it, and I would say, that's gosh, like somewhere
in there, and then all the way through on and
off and so. And Bobby's brother in law was like

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one of the guys that I practiced with, so there
was a lot of you know, filming of our swings
and you know, trying to make it a certain way.
And yeah, I mean I would say that that time
was wasted help the skill set, because you're became very
good identifying things, um. And that to to to today.
I mean, basically, guys come in for an hour lesson

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and I have kind of a direction that we're going
to go in the first five minutes. So I have
to say that's a testament to Matt because it made
your eye like exceptionally good to the point where you
don't really have to film it, but the film is
more for the student to observe. And so that's kind
of carried on all the way to today. But um, yeah,

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I would say he was probably the biggest one, obviously Bobby.
I think the big thing with Bobby that I realized,
do you know Bobby at all? So Bobby, I think
that name sounds familiar to me. Yeah, Terry's good friends
with help. Oh that's that's right, that's right, Yes, yes,
now I know. So the big thing with Bobby was

(28:05):
he was just a workhorse. So like Bobby would start
at six am and be done at ten thirty at night.
It was a lit driving range in point of Park,
so we would go there and practice and just watching
work work, work, work work. So before I got into coaching,
I kind of looked at that and go, well, I
don't want any part of that, and now here we are.

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But um, but that's kind of an interesting thing because
I think, you know, it's not this nine to five
situation that you know, you show up to I mean,
obviously now I can be a little more flexible, but
I still can't handle it if I'm not showing up
and not doing my routine. I'm like Mr Routine. So

(28:50):
if I if I have an off day, it's I'm spun.
You mentioned Mac O'Grady. I mean Mac from an instruction standpoint,
he's almost like this cult type figure, right. I mean
there's there's people that you know, I knew him, that
spent time with him. There's you know, there's all of

(29:10):
the wars and the fights he's had with other instructors,
other people, other players. But I I spent a little
bit of time around him in Palm Springs because he
was at Thunderbird and Don Callahan was the head pro
at Thunderbird Country Club and you know, had worked for
my grandfather and now works for my dad and his
son Sean, and I got to spend a little time

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around him. And you know, I always felt with Mac
that the message got lost in the messenger. Because there
are things to this day that I will hear other
instructors say or will come out and I'm sure you're
you're in this exact same camp. There will be new
fads that people will be trying to do. And I'll

(29:52):
say to myself, I heard Max say that in nine seven.
Why do you think do you think that he just
couldn't get out of his own way? Because I remember
asking VJ about Mac this he played a practice round. Um,
I can't remember we played a practice round with that
the Players Championship. We got on the subject to Mac

(30:13):
and everything, and I said, you know, Mac was just
such a smart person, such a genius, and and you
know J had spent a bunch of time with him,
you know, Sebby had spent a bunch of time with them.
Why do you think he was so polarizing and is
to this day still so polarizing. Yeah, I mean I

(30:36):
can't put my finger on like the personality so much
so that I mean, and don't I don't want to
get personal towards him without him being here. But I think,
you know, there was a level of childhood trauma that
he openly would tell people. And so when that happens
to a lot of folks, they they tend to be

(30:58):
very dismissive of others, specially when they get close to them.
So um, but on the first iteration, when he spend
time with him. He's very open and brings you in
and then he gets challenged by that whole idea because
of fear of loss or whatever, and then he cuts
you off. Now that's one aspect. Now the other side

(31:20):
of this is that he's obviously smart and a lot
of smart people. And this is like how I think
of things, Um, kind of have a potentially at that level. Um,
like they're not quite manic, but we can kind of
say they are where they just kind of um, go go, go,
go go. And so there was that element too, and

(31:42):
then I think the highs and lows and the personality
it's just taking time bon and so but being that
he was so smart with a lot of things, not
just the golf swing, but with art and language and
well read and and then throw maybe a little bit
of that ego in there. Um, you know you have

(32:02):
you have a guy who is in a genius level
but socially has some issues with people. And so now
because of that, I've always given you know, him a
pass because you know, I get it. I understand like
if you've dealt with the stuff you dealt with as
a child, and there is a book out there, I
mean the Shapiro book, whether or not how much of

(32:25):
that's true or not, but I think it really shows
like his upbringing and why is the way he is
and obviously a talented guy. And one thing I will
say about him that a lot of people don't understand.
It's like a lot of the practice that you do
with with mac once you leave the camera alone, you
turn into a golfer. So like a lot of it

(32:48):
was like games like Okay, let's try to hit a
flop shot over a net. Let's go in the wrong
fairway when people are playing it when you're not supposed
to and hit across another fairway. So was a lot
of different like gamesmanship, and I think that was good
to watch even though we're breaking rules, but um which

(33:08):
he didn't care about. He didn't care about the rules, no,
So yeah, I think it was a it was a
cool personality. But I think at the end of the
day with him, it's like how many coaches and players
Once again, he was also in contact with or developed
or got them started. And I think that's a neat

(33:31):
aspect of him too. I kind of put him, you
know and that you know, in your dad's era and
LEDs era, like there he was in that era, and
he was on that fringe, I mean very much so. Um,
but you know he uh he was a fun one
to be around. Um, golf machine. Were you a fan

(33:53):
of that? I mean if I tried to read it,
I hold my hands up. I just my brain doesn't work.
That wasn't small enough. I know that that was a
big influence on you as well. What's the what's the
what's the golf machine? For dummies? For you? You know,
if you had to just sribe the golf machine, which

(34:14):
is I know it's hard to do. Yeah, So let's
so basically the golf machine. If you were to look
at it as a whole, and we were like cliff
note version, it was a way for you to basically
design your golf swing with compatible components um, different like

(34:36):
you know, release actions, um. And generally speaking like that,
you would say like, okay, I had this double pendulum,
so like here's your left arm, here's your left wrist
to the club. UM, here's different options like on your
trail arm how it would move, so like you'd have
a pitch and a punch and all this other stuff.

(34:56):
So all these components would add up to a golf
swim now. Um, at the time, that made a lot
of sense early on, because you can't do X with this,
you have to do this with this, and um it's
like okay, yeah, well I'm just not doing this with
my right risk. That's why therefore I'm not hitting the

(35:18):
ball or you know. In reality, now you're like, oh, well,
actually that right risk is a whole myriad of things
that that that the golf machine would be wrong on.
And um, it doesn't mean that you can't reference back
to it. I think conceptually it made a lot of sense.
But I mean I agree with you. You get into
the weeds if you start going down that road, and

(35:40):
at the end of the day, we want performance. That's
not what a player needs to know. I mean, a
player doesn't need to know any of that. And um,
once again another thing that ten years ago won't But
fifteen years ago I would have said, well, that's not true,
they need to know this. But um, I would I
would bet that out of all of your top players

(36:00):
that you worked with, none of them need to know
any of that. I remember I was standing on the
driving range watching Mac do his you know, demos, And
for for anyone that hasn't been around Mac. You can
watch the videos and see him, you know, there's videos
of him doing his teaching, but when you experienced it
in person, it was way weirder, way more stream of consciousness,

(36:26):
way more manic. As you said, his deliveries, his all
of that, and and and what's what in max kind
of piece um position system? Where's impact? P S? P seven?
P seven? I remember Mac looked at me and he
looked me right in the eye and he pointed at
me and he said, you need to hear this and

(36:47):
you need to take this in your soul. And I
said okay. And he said, the hardest thing is to
get a player to relax between piece X and P seven.
And I just looked at him and I said, to myself,
what the hell are you talking about. He looked at

(37:10):
me and he said, that's the hardest thing. If you
can get a player to relax between P six and
P seven, that's the magic. And I just looked at
him and I just went, I'm out. I have no
idea what you're talking about. And then he went on
to tell me all the different ways your eyeballs moved

(37:30):
and rotive um all the and it was just it
was one of the weirdest experiences I've ever seen. But
I will say this, to watch him hit golf balls
and to watch him demonstrate the golf swing, Um, I
consider myself lucky to have sat on a driving range

(37:52):
on a Wednesday at Thunderbird as the sun's going down
and the and you know, it's winter in Palm Springs,
it's been ninety it's starting to get a little cool.
He's got you know, four or five people around him,
and he's doing the Max Show, right He's he's talking
about all the stuff, and he would hit. He had
the had the shortest he had the shortest shorts on.
I've ever seen a human being where remember the Paris,

(38:15):
the Paris, the Paris the shirt, the shirt was like
five sizes too small, the shorts where this. He's got
shoes on with no socks and he is sitting there
with a four iron day and I know you've watched
this a million times, but he is absolutely flushing. And

(38:36):
he was talking to me about CP fades and CF
fades and CP draws and but all of that bullshit aside,
to watch him hit golf balls was just unbelievable. The
tempo I always everybody talks about when when they talk
about Mac, I think he's kind of synonymous with all

(38:58):
these different position is in the golf swing. But one
of the things that I took away from watching hit
golf balls was the tempo in the rhythm was just phenomenal.
The way that he could deliver a golf club to
a golf ball, and the way he did it. It
was like he created all of this energy on the

(39:20):
back swing, and then the down swing he he somehow
gathered all of this energy and the follow through was
just I mean, it was unbelievable how good it was. Um,
I just don't think people realize how good. But the
amazing thing and and and my dad and I have
talked to that about this for a long time. I mean,

(39:41):
how many golf tournaments did he win? Right? You know
when you talk about you know, all of the things
that you used to teach versus what you teach now.
And I think I've watched a lot of you know,
the guys from the Mac camp and from the Morad
and from the Stack, all of those guys, and I've
I've seen a out of those guys, you know, be

(40:02):
really really vigilant and really really militant about it, and
then you see them now they've maybe come out on
the other side of it, and they realize, you know,
my dad says this all the time. You know, Mac O'Grady,
Mo Norman, all of these kind of poster children is
as the blueprint. They couldn't somehow find a way to

(40:26):
do what Scottie Shuffler is doing right now. When four
out of the seven tournaments you've played in one of
them be a major number one player in the world, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and the question is like why is that? I mean,
we could say that. I think it's two things. The
amount of time it takes for you to get to

(40:46):
where Mac is on a golf swing level is insurmountable, right,
It's just it's you just couldn't do it. You'd have
to have his personality to do it. But then his
personality through on the and I've played tournaments with him,
and like his personality, he's always in an argument, there's

(41:06):
always a challenge, like it just doesn't produce, you know,
like being in the zone. I mean, you're not in
a performance state I mean at all, whereas I mean
you watch you know, Scottie out there with Teddy on
the bag and he's in this like relaxed mode. And
I mean I think that the observation is how well,

(41:30):
even when things aren't perfect, how well and how balanced
they both are in even when they like pull a
ball offline on the part three and then they chip
at the five ft make I mean stuff that's like
very balanced and there's a nice flow to it. It
has nothing to do with how good your grip is
or how good you are a P two. I mean

(41:50):
that has to do with the performance side of things.
And I don't care if we're looking at I think
the other iteration, and this is also Jordan's speed. I
mean Jordan's when you won the Masters, I mean didn't
hit it perfect, but he he played golf. Yeah, I
mean just played the way you're supposed to play. And

(42:11):
every player that does some level of that, um, you know,
isn't thinking technical. I mean, um there. I think if
you leave a golf less and you're not more and
I'm guilty of this, I'll be fair, But if you're
not feeling more positive about the direction you're going, that's

(42:32):
a conversation that needs to be had. And if as
a teacher, if you feel like it didn't go well,
then you haven't come back and do it again until
it's right. And I've had plenty of situations like that
over the years, and I think I think that's the
big part with you know, you know, oh well you

(42:53):
have you made P three look correct, therefore you did right.
Well if the player leaves nailed from cough about hitting
the ball, you didn't do right. You know. I think
that's the big message. You've started working UM with Bo
hustler Bo how to put himself into contention Um in
San Antonio a couple of weeks ago. Talk me through
how that kind of happened. I mean, Bo is this kid.
I remember seeing two thousand and twelve the Olympic Club

(43:17):
US open out there. I mean Bo was probably what's sixteen,
Uh yeah, I mean he's on the leaderboard. I mean
he's in one of them, you know. I mean it
was an unbelievable performance. He goes to the University of Texas,
you know, I mean he comes out on tour as
a chance to win in Houston maybe five six year

(43:38):
and you know, lost his way a little bit. Um.
How did that come about? And when you get an
opportunity like that, Dana, you know, a kid like that, Um,
talk me through that process of what you say, Okay,
this is what we're gonna do. This is kind of
the blueprint of the direction we're going to go, because
I think, you know, he's definitely looking like he's becoming

(44:01):
a lot more consistent. Yeah. Yeah, So it's different. I
mean every kind of you know this better than than
I do. I mean, every time you work with an
elite player, they're they're all inherently different. So you know,
three years ago, worked with hoblind for like almost a year,

(44:21):
not quite. And what's interesting is like, there's nothing I
can tell the kid. I was like, that's good, that's good,
that's good, and that's not good enough obviously for him.
But so there was nothing technical I could really say,
Like he would maybe bounce ideas off me, but I'm like, okay,
well your strokes gained approach this fine, so I can't

(44:42):
do anything. Um. But anyway, now on the other side
of the spectrum, um, And when we started, what was
I mean and he will say this like he wasn't
hitting it well, like bo was not hitting it well
at all, and it was a two way miss. It
was is um even with a wedge like it would

(45:02):
be left or right all day long. Um, I had
pretty good driver, Like I would say, like numbers, I
guess you'd say it's something like one fourteen and hit
up and out on it, you know, for four and
four or something like that, but didn't drive it straight.
So I kind of looked at it going, well, okay,
well we got a lot of a lot of work

(45:24):
to do. And I think what was very interesting is, yeah,
there's some visible mechanical changes, but those mechanical changes have
been more encompassing being an athlete and thinking like an
athlete and not trying to work on his right elbow
and his risk because as soon as you do that,

(45:45):
just from my experience, I'm pulling something away from you
and I'm trying to be giving you something. So UM,
a lot of stuff we've talked with you know, trainers,
his physio and just saying, look like we're trying to
like load low differently on the ground, fill your feet
different get the club to swing in a certain sequence. Um,

(46:06):
and the end resolve will change the picture and create
more consistency. But you know, it's really funny about this
conversation is a lot of those things that we kind
of went down are more reminiscent that he did with
Jim Flick. So Jim was real big on that. He
was real big on the feet and getting kind of
motion working in a certain way, and that's what kind

(46:29):
of stuck with them. Um it was like, oh, I
used to do that. I used to do that as
a drill or whatnot. So it's not like I really
was constructing anything like that was new out of the ether.
These are things that it might be a couple of things,
but nothing earth shattering. A lot of it's like, oh,
that's how I got to my left side and that's

(46:49):
why I was consistent. So that's what's kind of fun
is watching somebody who has a defined pattern and then
trying to make it better within some ranges, but then
also brings something familiar to the table. So when you're
working with a new student like that, someone like bo,
how do you do how do you balance that how

(47:10):
much is enough and how much isn't isn't enough? M
hmm yeah, So good example, like we went to tp
I and did three D right and bows A bow
is a smart guy, and you know, you can get
pretty into the weeds when you start looking at three
D and I just wanted to see the macro of it.

(47:31):
You know, I didn't want to see the micro, but
I want to see the macro of it. And because
if we start getting into the micro, we can always
find something wrong. It's like if I go to a
body scan, they're gonna find something. I'm gonna feel like,
oh I'm dying. No no, no, that's a that's a hangnail, bro,
that's hangnail. But they're gonna find something. So I think
if you get a macro blueprint of what you what,

(47:54):
what what you're doing, or what you have done, that's
good enough. And that's what I try to make sure
with with players, it's like, well, we don't really need
to go focus on that. Maybe that's showing up because
you're not moving good off the ball. You know, that
could be it. I mean that that could And I've
had a player actually like that who has something like

(48:15):
on their downswing that's being done because something they do
off the ball, but they want to attack that on
the downstack. Well, the problem is is like you can
do that, but once again, doing that is taking something
away from your performance. Yeah, for sure, And you know
I think that you're like you said, I think the

(48:36):
the art today is taking hold of the technology because
you know, I say this all the time. I think
that you know, we're we're in a dangerous place in
my opinion, that we're creating generations of data collectors as
golf instructors right, their data collectors. Right. They're great at
collecting data, they're great at doing three D, they're great

(48:57):
at looking all of this. But as you said, the
art of doing all of this is is what you
do with the data. If if if someone told you
when you started teaching that there was going to be
all of the technology that you you could have today, right,
and you could go to and look at everything that

(49:17):
we've got through three D, launch monitor, force plate, whatever
it is, right, and if you could start your career
and pick one of those, right, which one would you pick?
Mm hmm? I would say, from what can I answer

(49:39):
this to? Different ways? Sure? Do you mind? Okay? I
would say definitely the launch monitor for games hitting balls
at targets. I would say, that's like the most important thing.
And the reason why is, you know, I teach on
arrange by a three o'clock we have a wind off
the left, and we have frisbees for golf balls. Okay,
so you throw it just goes and goes. So I

(50:03):
would say that's the most helpful because then the player
when they hit a ball, they don't lose their mind
that the balls, you know, going going to the right.
But I would say that one, um for sure. Now
I'm kind of on the teaching end, which is kind
of interesting. On the technical side, I think forced plates

(50:24):
are great. The reason being is it shows who you're
dealing with as an athlete, and that's a different thing.
Um that track man doesn't really show unless you just
look at club X fit, but you can really see,
like who you're dealing with. You can see, like you know,
in football, you know, they say, oh, well the guy
has a vertical jumping X and this guy doesn't, so

(50:46):
therefore that guy is a better athlete. It's kind of
a metric. But on a force plate you can see
force production and uh, you know that's why one guy
might swing a nine, the next guy swings one nineteen
and they look kind of the same and you're like, oh,
that guy really loads his trail hip a lot better,
and it's pretty visible why he does that. It's kind

(51:08):
of unique. So you're starting your career, and I'm going
to give you your choice. I'm gonna give you a
launch monitor and force plates, right, you take those and
start your career with those, or I can give you
the ability to communicate better. Which one are you choosing? Oh? Yeah,

(51:32):
communication every single time? Yeah, if you can't, if you
can't be a relatively good communicator and well rounded, that's
a problem. And like this suffers back to that Jim
McClean situation, because I asked the question over numerous years
of every coach that's come out and now they're friends

(51:53):
of mine, is really seeing that, you know, they spent
at least two years ground floor watching lessons And if
you're not doing that, you're you're you're behind April. And
I think at least on on my end, I got
a little bit of that. Obviously, the Mac communications an issue,

(52:15):
but um but if you don't have that, you have
to do a lot of lessons, You have to stand
on that range all day long, and you have to
get good at that. But yeah, I think that's the
big part, claud. It's like technology will not replace that aspect,
you know, unless we have AI doing it for us.

(52:36):
So you can't blame the computer for the AI, we'll
see last one. So for everyone listening, if you could
give kind of one overarching theme that you think can
help all golfers from whatever level, from a higher handicap.

(52:59):
Who's just trying to break hundreds of the first time,
someone trying to break eight for the first time, someone
trying to break par for the first time. Players you know, male, female,
trying to compete. I know, it's it's it's it's a
strange kind of overarching it's but you do this for
a living. We all kind of have our ideas. What
do you think is something that can help all players

(53:22):
get better and improve their their ball striking and their
their their game. Yeah, I think the number one thing
is to have a plan and being consistent. So it
doesn't matter the technique necessarily, there's a lot of different
ways to get it done. But if you're consistently practicing,
not just going the range of the seven iron and

(53:42):
hitting that, but like have a plan, and then what
you'll notice is when you go out and play that plan,
if you execute, it will produce lower scores. Um. It
just always does. Because it's gonna you're gonna show up
to the first tea going I'm more ready than I
ever have been than to not understanding hitting them hitting

(54:02):
an eight iron and then a then a six iron
and a driver, and then going home just getting those
reps in and there's no mystery. Like A good way
to look at this clot is you watch these high
school kids. And I have actually three different high schools
that use our range daily every day, and so there

(54:24):
is probably a hundred and twenty kids for two hours
that show up. In those two hours watching these kids,
there's probably about five percent of them are going to
be part shooters in four years from freshman to to end.
So that's a very small sample size. But what I
witness is these kids play golf at least three to

(54:44):
four days a week. Okay, the ones that are getting
better are taking lessons, and then the days that you
don't see the teams out there, those kids are practicing
and they're not just hitting seven irons and drivers. So
they're they're doing some putting, they're being well rounded with
they're chipping, they're playing, they're also jumping into a little

(55:07):
bit of competition. That competition makes more at ease when
they go play a regular round of golf and then
they automatically go, well, I shot two under par and
my average is par. When they go play again, they
broke that four a minute mile. So and that happens
in a four year span. So when it comes to
you know, guys, my age, let's say you're over the
age of forty or whatever. You know, maybe that timeline

(55:30):
might be ten years where you get, you know, to
be a scratch player. But you can run the same formula.
You just have to be consistent, take some lessons with
your local pro and don't bounce around. Don't be a
PGA tour player and bounce around. To stay with what
you're doing, you know, fix up here. I think that's

(55:52):
I didn't think I was going to get that answer
from you. Um I honestly thought that I was going
to get something technical. And I really really I think
that's that's just so basic, and it's it's it's frustrating
that that golfers don't realize that if you do have
a plan and if you do kind of stick to it,

(56:14):
a lot of repetition, not trying something different all the
time just because it doesn't work, um and fighting through
some of the change you're making. Um I am, I'm
I'm stealing that one giving you credit, but I am
definitely stealing that one because that's a that's a fantastic answer. Um, Dan,
it's been, you know, really fun to talk to you.

(56:35):
It's been also fun to watch you kind of change
from where you were maybe ten fifteen years ago as
an instructor to where you are today because um, you know,
I certainly think that you're helping players get better, you're
helping produce players that are competing, and um, it's been

(56:57):
fun to kind of watch this kind of art that
you've been on from being kind of in one kind
of pigeonholed kind of situation of with this kind of Yeah,
I appreciate that, and it's it's it's the fun of watch.
I think you're doing a fantastic job with bo and um,

(57:18):
hopefully we're gonna start seeing him getting the hunt more often.
And uh, I'm sure i'll see you soon on a
driving range somewhere. But thank you so much for taking
time talking. Or maybe i'll see at a CrossFit workout
place at a tour of at cross fit workout. Yeah,
that's that's really good for my back. Yeah, well, no,
you'll be beating me I've seen some of those numbers.

(57:41):
Great to talk to you YouTube, my man. So that
was David dal Quiz. A lot to talk about there,
and um, one of the coolest guys, UM, I think
an instruction and UM, I think he's doing a really
good job. He can be kind of really really complex,

(58:02):
but he can also kind of bring it back to
the real world. And UM, you know he's again I
talked about this all the time. I try and pick
his many instructor's brains out on tour as possible, and
if it's something that's kind of new and um different
and kind of crazy for my brain to figure out
because I'm not that smart, Dane is one of the
guys that I'll talk to and UM, I really do

(58:24):
think he's doing a good job with Bow Hustler Bows
UM starting to get back on those leaderboards, and UM,
it'll be fun to see that UM partnership and see
how it works out in future. So let's go to questions, UM,
a lot of questions about Jordan's speak. Um. I think
it's a huge, huge win for Jordan's UM, especially coming

(58:45):
off of missing the cut at the Masters. Um, you
know you've got Brandal Shamble saying, you know, he's half
the player he used to used to be, and then
he wins the following week. So, um, if nothing else,
I'm glad he won just for that. Um, But I
think it's kind of showing that maybe I think Jordan's

(59:05):
maybe different as a player, because you know, he said
after this win that he won without a putter, and
that's something that a lot of people have always thought
was kind of a signature to his game. Yes, I mean,
Jordan makes a lot of long pots, but if you
look back and you look at when Jordan was number
one in the world, he was an elite ball striker.
His ball striking was unbelievable. I mean, his his his

(59:28):
iron game was I mean one of the best, if
not the best, in the game. So, um, I think
the game is a better place when Jordan's beaks winning
golf tournaments. Um, I'm excited. We've got three majors coming up,
a lot of confidence for Jordan's coming off of a
win like this. We've got p G A and next month,
and then we've got two more majors. So I think

(59:49):
this is a good good start for Jordan's going into
major season, getting a wind under his Belt and uh,
don't be surprised if Jordan has a chance to win
one of the three majors coming up, and I'd be
shocked if he doesn't contend in all of them. Sticking
with the RBC theme, Uh, this question saw a lot
of pros putting off the green the old Texas wedge. Um. Yeah,

(01:00:14):
I mean the way the golf course is set up
at Harbor Town, it doesn't have a tremendous amount of
undulation off the green, so it's not the steep runoffs,
so you can miss a green by maybe you know
a yard and then you're you're you're on closely moan grass.
There isn't a huge up slope and a lot of
times I think players think, listen, my best put here

(01:00:37):
or excuse me, my worst put is going to be
as good, if not better than my best wedge shot.
And I think when you do have the opportunity to
put from around the greens, take it. It's an easy option. Um.
It allows you to make a stroke that you're familiar with.
I think a lot of people UM struggle when they're

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close to the to the green, just on the fringe,
just off the green, and they have to make some
sort of chip, a bump and run. They don't know
how to judge the speed. If if the lie and
the surface you've got to the whole is fairly flat,
then why not take the putter? I mean, it's it's
it's going to be. I think if you go out

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in practice, if you put yourself in a position to
where you've just missed a green, you know, go to
the driving range and go to your short game area.
You know, go just off the edge of the green. Obviously,
if it's got a lot of undulation and a lot
of slope, maybe this isn't the play. But if it's
fairly flat, give yourself five balls and put it, and
then give yourself five balls and and chip. And I'm

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pretty sure that the putter is probably going to be
the option that you're going to want to choose based
on that. And I think we saw a lot of
that at Harbor Town last week. I think that's one
of the cool things about the golf course is it
gives you that option, and it gives you that um
ability to be a little bit more creative. You don't
necessarily have to um use a wedge all the time.

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Let's see, what are the key performance indicators. I guess
that's what KPI means. UM. You look for in a
junior player that tells you they've got what it takes. UM.
I mean listen right now, when you're looking at junior's UM,
I'm looking at kids that can hit it a long
way because obviously on the PGA Tour, that's kind of

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a differentiator to to get to that next level. UM.
I think a lot of juniors and a lot of
junior's parents are really really obsessed with having kids hit
it really really straight. But what I've seen a lot
is you you you see juniors who have been playing golf,
you know, five, six, maybe seven years, they hit the
golf ball really really straight. And then they play in

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a junior tournament with a kid who's, you know, two
three sport athlete. UM. They've not been playing any other
sports other than golf, and they play against a kid
that doesn't really have that good of golf swing, but
he drives at fifty yards past them. And UM. I
always say that you can teach juniors to hit the

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golf ball, you know, with a shape, you can hit him,
to teach them to hit draws, You can teach them
hit fades. But if by the time you're twenty years
old and you don't have a lot of speed and
you didn't train for that, and you didn't have that
as kid, then you're up against it. So when I
go and I look at junior's I I look at
what they're what their speed is, and you know how

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far you know, whether it's you know, junior boys or
junior girls. There's a girl that I just started working
with um just one of first a tournament and you know,
the first time I've ever spent any time with her.
I watched her hit her a seven iron, and I
was like, wow, this she doesn't have the the most
orthodox I mean, I I work with kids and have

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seen kids, you know, both on the men's and the
women's side, that have much prettier looking golf swings. But
I watched hit a seven iron. I was watching hit
a seven iron, and we're, you know, and just kind
of checking out of golf swing, and I said, hey,
can you hit me some five irons? Watch you hit
a five iron. I was like, wow, you know, she's sixteen,
seventeen years old. I was like, this girl's got speed.
I said, can you hit a driver for me? And

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she was just hammering the driver. So when I look
at juniors a lot, I look at a lot at
what they're able to do with regards to speed, and
then I also look at what they're able to do
with the short game, with with what their wedge games like,
what their bunker games like, what they do around the
greens and and putting, because I think everybody thinks about
ball striking, and you know, if you can chip, you

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can pot, and you can hit the golf ball a
long way, you can do well in in junior golf. Um.
What else when players make a game plan, what does
that mean? Is a club selection? Bertie holes pins. I
think you know, there's so much technology available now. And
if you're playing competitive golf, um, and you're not on

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a tour somewhere right, if you're not on the PGA
Tour corn Ferry, lp G A, Latin America, Canada, Asia,
wherever it is, symmetric tour, if you're trying to compete,
you can go online and you can go to you know,
Google Maps, Google Earth. You can go and look at,

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um what the golf course looks like. You can get
a scorecard off the internet and go ahead and say Okay,
this is where I think they're probably going to play
this golf course from. And then you can go and
make your own little air quotes game plan for it.
You can go and say, Okay, let me just get
a good idea what the par four's look like. Let
me look get a good idea of what the part

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three's look like. Let me get a good idea of
what the par five's look like. And are these part
fives that I could potentially reach in two? Um? The
part three's are they long? Part three's are the short?
Part three's? Where's all the hazards? Where's all the bunkers?
Am I going to try and drive it short of
the bunkers? Am I going to try and drive it
past the bunkers? Do I need to go for the

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screen into where with the layup sped? So I think
a good game plan. And that's what guys and girls
do you know? On the LPGA and the p g
A Tours, they're going around in practice rounds with their
caddies and they're basically saying, Okay, what are we hitting
off this whole? Do we want to hit driver here? No,
we don't need to hit driver here. We can hit
an iron here, we can hit a three wood here. Okay,

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if it's a short Part four, do we want to
try and drive it all the way down there and
get it close or is the risk worth the reward
or maybe I just need to hit an iron and
you know it's an iron. You know, hit a a
four iron and a nine iron. So I do think
that a lot of players don't really sit down and
plan out what they're trying to do. And I think

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that's hugely, hugely important. And I think the technology is
is there. I mean, if you've got access to the
internet and you're playing competitive golf, you can go online
and then kind of make your own little kind of
game plan. Keep keep notes, um, put in your yardage book,
you know, after looking at what the holes look like, um,

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and and really keep detailed notes on what you're doing,
because if you're not um, there's other players out there
that are. And I think it's a huge, huge advantage. Lastly,
you're gonna hear me talk about this every single week.
Double bogeys kill your scorecard. Shane Lowry um cruising gets

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it to fourteen under a harbor town last week. One
of the toughest Part three's on the PGA Tour. The
four hits it left of the green really really difficult,
chip chips it in the water, makes double misses a
playoff by one shot. Double bogeys crush your score. Obviously,
Shane is not trying to make a double bogie. It's

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not beating up on Shane, right. I mean, he's trying
to do the right thing. There's water to the right,
so the bailout is left. But the moral of this
story is you make a double bogey. And basically Shane's
got a par five next on the fifteenth, which he
doesn't birdie, and then sixteen, seventeen and eighteen, three of

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the toughest holes at Harbor Town. He's got to try
and make two birdies to try and win. In the end,
he only needed one. He had a great shot in
the sixteen, didn't make the put, hit an unbelievable shot
in the seventeen, didn't capitalize, and misses out on the
playoff that Patrick can't lay and Jordan's speech um played
in and Jordan went on to win. He misses by

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one shot finish the second. Double bogies kill your scored,
Keep the big numbers off your scorecard. I'm gonna keep
talking about it. I'm going to keep saying it, and
hopefully all of you listening will do your best to
try and do that. Sometimes you make the wrong a
bad swing at the wrong time, but big numbers crush

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your score. So thanks everybody for listening, and I want
to thank everybody for listening to all the content UM
I put out during the Masters. UM got some really
really good listens, lots of downloads, and we're gonna try
and do more of that around the Majors. We've got
three of them left UM this year, and we're gonna
try and crush it with as much content around the
Majors as possible. Of course, with Claude Harmon comes to

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you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.

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