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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You introduce yourself by a sentence, and then I give
you a formal introduction, but the sentence is your version
whatever you want to say of Hi, my name is Dylan.
My name is Katherine Tappman. I can't. I forgot to
even bring that up, that I meet Dylan. She gets
invited to a dinner, and then we sit down at dinner,
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and I think three to four times I call you Katherine.
I did it multiple times when we sat down at
this like twenty person dinner and you were across So
it wasn't even just like turning to you and saying it.
It was me shouting at across the table, how is
your food? Katherine? Yeah, you're You know, you don't always
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have to say somebody's name in a conversation, but you
were like flippantly just saying Katherine or tapping I know,
and I that's not even something that I do. But
here I am calling you by your name when I
don't even need to it. And then it wasn't your name,
confidence Okay, Hi, my name is Catherine's happened? And I blank, Okay,
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here we go, Hi, everybody. I'm Dylan Dryer, a brave
meteorologist who likes to stand outside and hurricanes. Also the
co host of the third hour of Today. Hello everybody,
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and welcome back to Off the Beat with Me your host,
Brian Baumgartner. I am so happy that you're here today.
You guys are gonna love this episode, and I mean
love it because well, yes, that's right. Today we are
celebrating Valentine's Day on Off the Beat. Now, Valentine's Day,
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it's not just about romance, No, it is very specifically
about eating can the hearts, making new friends, and and
telling them that you love them. So I am so
excited to have my new bestie on the podcast today,
NBC's very own Dylan Dryer. You might recognize Dylan from
her work on well pretty much every NBC news show.
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She's worked on, MSNBC Today's Show, Weekend, Today, Today's Third Hour,
nightly News, and she hosts her very own TV series
Earth Odyssey. This is what I love about this podcast.
It enables me to really talk and get to know
so many new people. I had just met Dylan at
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the Hilton Grand Vacations Tournament of Champions golf tournament down
in Orlando, Florida. If you look at my Instagram, you
will see she she gave an excellent weather report exclusive
content for me. We got to know each other and
we bonded almost immediately, and I found her so fascinating
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the combination of entertainment and of real science meteorology. For
some reason, I never put those two things together. It
was a fascinating talk we had there. I wanted to
bring her on the podcast to dive in more. I
promise you are going to learn something today and learn
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that you love Dylan Dryer. This was such a fun conversation.
We get into everything from reporting natural disasters to even
her love story with her former cameraman. I'm so excited
for you to hear this. Let's get to it, Dylan Dryer. Everyone,
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Bubble and Squeak. I love Bubble and Squeak on Bubble
and Squeaker cooking at every month, left over from the
nut before. Hello, Hello, how are you? Dylan dry Now,
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let me ask you this, is it contractual that you
have to have the peacock in the background there? I know,
I just think it's actually really cool. It's like my
own little piece of stained glass art. Well yeah, but
it's like literally right over your shoulder. So the entire
time I get to stare at the NBC peacock. Was
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that going to be that? Or it was gonna be this?
So I thought this was a little much missing the cloud.
I think both. There's your husband, Brian, the most supportive
guy on the golf course. That is an understatement. Um
Dylan Dryer, co host third Hour of the Today Show
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and NBC News meteorologist. Y I like having a full title.
I want to get into that in a little bit,
but I want to start going backwards to your your childhood.
Now let me say this part. Well, one reason I
wanted to have you on is is you're awesome. But
also I don't learn things that much anymore, and you
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learned me things when we were together there in Orlando.
Well we'll get into that in a minute. But you
grew up in Jersey. Yeah, in Manti Lapping its pronounced Manalpate.
Why correct me this early? There's be many more mistakes
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like that. You sounded silly. Yeah, that sounds way better. Well,
let me ask you this. What were you interested in
as a kid? Yeah, like sports or or are I was?
I mean, I grew up with two older brothers, so
I was into sit in doing anything they were doing.
You know, I was like the little sister who just
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wanted to you know, bother them all the time. But
they were big ato baseball. I played softball since I
was five years old. I remember starting on an all
boys league because there were no girls playing for some reason.
I remember just having all boys on my team. Um,
but not really thinking anything of it because I grew
up with brothers, you know, I never never thought anything
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other than I want to play t ball, so this
is where I'm going to play t ball. Um. So
I was, you know, definitely grew up more as a tomboy.
You know. My my dad built the house we grew
up in. It was in the middle of the woods.
Like when you think of New Jersey, you think of
just outside New York City, you know, but we we
grew up on like four acres of property in the
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middle of nowhere, on the side of town. Nobody lived.
It was my brothers and me. There was an apple
orchard across the street. We would go and steal apples,
you know, and it was just it was like this
weird country lifestyle that I grew up in. Was that
out is that New Yar Pennsylvania? No, it's right like
literally right in the middle of New Jersey. It was
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an hour from New York, in an hour from Philly. Okay,
So were you interested at all in performing? Like, did
you do any play? No, because you have brothers and
you did brother things and picked apples on the weekend basically,
And I'm not a performer, you know. I wasn't that
kid where you know, your aunts and uncles would be like, Oh,
she's gonna be you know, she's she's going to do
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something in the spotlight. I mean, I'm I'm shy by nature.
I'm kind of reserved. I'm not the kind of person
who runs into a room and look at me, you know,
a type of personality I sort of. I like being
a wallflower until I get comfortable, until I you know,
pick out the people I can kind of jive with.
And so I mean, it really is bizarre. And my
mom and dad still think it's weird that I do
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anything in TV because it's just so like Auntie, who
I was growing up? Right, Were you interested in science? Yes?
I was interested in science. Um, I actually we went
to school for engineering. I loved math. I love science.
Records had a great engineering program, so it seemed like
that's what you do when you like math and science.
But engineering just didn't. There was no field of engineering
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that I really liked. I just didn't enjoy it. I
didn't see myself doing it in the future. And there
was like a meteorology one on one class. I'm like, oh, mom,
this sounds fun. Let me try this. And it turns
out all my math credits and science credits transferred over
to meteorology, and I sort of just fell into it
that way. There's a lot of math and science and meteorology. Yes, yeah,
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I mean, computers do it all now, but I, because
of my education, know what the computers are doing. But
I'll never have to actually use that again. Right now,
does one become a meteorologist? I mean I guess they do, right.
There are meteorologists who are not on television right Oh
yeah no, And I was actually not. Again, I'm not
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someone who likes to be in the spotlight. So I
was never going to do TV weather. That was I
was going to do research or forensic meteorology. You know,
you work for a law firm, and you know somebody
says there was a I slipped on ice. It's like, well,
let me go back and look to see if there
was actually ice that day or conditions were favorable for ice,
you know, in the exact location where you're saying you slipped.
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I was thinking National Weather Service or you know, private
forecasting companies who work for you know, PLoud truck drivers
and landscapers and all that kind of stuff. So it
wasn't until I had an internship at CBS w CBS,
the local CBS in New York, and then I was like, oh,
this is kind of fun. So you get to like
do all the science and look at the maps and
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do your do all your homework, and then you actually
get to talk to people about it. So it just
seemed like something that was going to be fun. What
was it about meteorology that you like just that it
allowed you to apply a lot of your skills or
was there something specifically about about the weather. Um. I
just think it's really fascinating. I love how it works.
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I love you know. I talked to a lot of
kids about weather, and I just because they're so fascinated.
They just are in awe if it's snowing, or you know,
you go play outside because it's sunny and it's warm.
I can literally answer any question they have about the weather,
and I love I love being able to do that.
It's just the science of how weather develops and why
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there are clouds and thunderstorms and hurricanes. I just it
just makes so much sense in my brain, and I
like being able to talk about it, and especially in this,
you know type of role where I worked in local news. Yes,
I can make a forecast, and I actually make pretty
good forecasts, you know. I like looking at the computer
models and being able to tell people exactly when it's
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going to rain or when it's gonna do what it's
gonna do. But I also get to explain what can
be a complicated science in a way people can understand.
I like to use analogies. I like to use everyday
objects to as props to to explain why things are happening,
to just sort of make it more fun and understandable
for everybody. Like when you asked me in in Florida
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for a forecast, right, yes, I was actually like the
next day, really proud of my forecast. I mean, I said,
it's not going to rain till like three o'clock, and
it's sprinkled right at three o'clock, and was kind of
cloudy and looking like rain all day, and I'm like
hitting Brian, my husband, you know, I'm like, my forecast
was spot off, Like I was really proud of myself.
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Well that's the thing I actually think. How do I
say this in a way that well, there is no
really way to say it except you guys have done
such a great job of dumbing it down and simplifying
it for people that I don't think people understand how
complicated it is. Like you have done meteorology a disservice
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by making it seem like you look up at the
clouds and you're like, Okay, this is what's going to happen.
I mean, I don't know if this is the right
time to do it, but this, to me, this this
is what you learned me for sure. When you see
some uh weather forecast on whatever weather dot com or
whatever NBC Internet set you're on, and it gives you
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a percentage of rain at two o'clock for tomorrow, what
does that mean? If you look at your iPhone app
and you pull up right now, if it's a thirty
percent chance of rain in your area, chances are you're
in the clear, Like your se in the clear. That
it's not going to rain, but in your general area,
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there's a thirty percent chance that somebody in your general
area is going to see rain. Okay, So let me
give you an example. So earlier this week, it's snowed
in New York City. Okay, it was snowing down in
Battery Park, like at the southern tip of New York.
I was in Midtown at the time. It was not
snowing in Midtown. So I would say, like a thirty
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percent chance of snow was pretty accurate for Manhattan. Okay,
I didn't get it. Probably would have hedged my best
that I'm not going to see snow anyway. But you
go downtown and it's snowed. It's like, all right, well
they did say a thirty percent chance of snow, and
you know it did snow in Manhattan. I'm with you,
are this is how this is how I heard it.
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I think that the way a lay person looks at
it is like there's a thirty percent chance it's going
to rain, and so there's yeah, there's a greater percentage
that it's not going to rain. But I think what
was interesting to me about what you said is like
they have them it is going to rain. It may
not rain where you're standing at that time, but it's
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going to rain exactly in the summertime, like you have
pop up thunderstorms, you know, and and literally it could
be raining in one town, in the next town over
it's not raining. So if it's a thirty percent chance
of rain and I go play a round of golf,
I'm going to assume it's not going to rain. There
will be rain around, but I'm going to assume I'll
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be in the clear. But if it does rain, it's
I I guess I just kind of got screwed on
that one. So you know, it ended up reading where
I am. Um, So you intern at CBS in New
York and you start thinking, oh, this is something that
I could do, Like this is a specific way that
I could use my meteorology degree. By the way, that's
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a really hard word to say. I said that before.
It's hard to type out to it is because a
lot of ohs um, Now did you then begin pursuing that. Well,
you first off, you you graduate, you get a degree.
Is this a hard major? No, it's a tough major.
I mean, like you take four years of calculus. I
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mean it's it's intense. Yeah, No, it's it's a legit,
like Bachelor of Science degree. And again I went to Rutgers.
So Rutgers, you know, you could go to some schools
that have a broadcast meteorology degree, which then you get to,
you know, work on your broadcasting skills. I but Rutgers
was very research based, you know, it's it's kind of
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a research school. So for me, I like, mine's like legit,
hardcore like research meteorology. Did you have any broadcast meteorology classes. No,
not at all. You had to apply to the School
of Communications if you wanted to do anything in broadcast,
which just seemed like a lot of work. So I
had no TV skill, no public speaking skills, like literally,
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and I'm shy, like I had no reason to go
into TV whatsoever. Right, So then what happens. You go
to CBS and you think, well, this is kind of interesting,
and then what do you do? Do you take classes?
Do you know? So? Um? So I was working with
Craig Allen over there, who you know is a well
known meteorologist in New York and he was famous, Yes,
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in New York. He knew somebody who went to the
local news station in all the New York and he said, listen,
they'll let you use their studio to make a demo tape.
So I remember driving out there with my mom picking
out like the perfect outfit, which looking back, I mean
it was a black turtleneck with a purple suede blazer
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um and a big chunky necklace, you know. I mean,
like that's a good look. That's gonna get me the job.
So I go out there and I'm nervous, you know,
I tend to get nervous before everything I do. And
I go out there and they give me the studio,
the green screen and all that, and I start, I
start trying to talk, and I can't, like the words.
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I can't even make up a sentence. It's like I've
never spoken words before. I just get such stage fright.
And there's people around, and this guy who I don't know,
who's letting me use the studio is kind of standing
off to the side trying to like give me pointers.
My Mom's no help, and it literally takes till their
six pm news is coming on, but they're like you
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have to go, like I hope you have something you
can use. And I had to go, and I just
cried all the way home because I said, I just
I ruined this chance to make this demo tape. But
sure enough it was on a VHS tape. I put
it in like these yellow, little you know, VHS boxes,
and I shipped them to sixties seventy little small markets
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all across the country. Never heard back from anyone until Lincoln, Nebraska.
The ABC station in Lincoln, Nebraska called. They said, why
don't you come out, you know, and do a demo
in person. So I go out and I do the demo.
But the other guy who's also applying for this job
happens to be there also, and he's like good, he's smooth,
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he's confident, you know, he's doing a great job. And then,
you know, stupent me goes up there and again I'm
like stage fright city with like this Jersey accent, you know,
high pitched, squeaky voice. And so then the general manager
takes me out for lunch to do our interview part
of this whole thing, and we go across the street
to a McDonald's. Keep in mind, when I got picked
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up at the airport in Lincoln, Nebraska, I'm thinking local news,
like I'm gonna get picked up in a limo. You know,
I'm like waiting to get picked up in a limousine.
It's local news, it's big time, Like this is just
so cool, and it's like some girl in her you know,
Toyota Corolla picks me up at the airport and I
was like, this is interesting. So we go to the
McDonald's and the guys like, are you nervous? And I said, no,
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I'm not nervous, you know, trying to be all confident,
and he's like, then, why is your face as right
as that that French fry carton? And I'm like, I don't.
I don't know, Like what do you say to that?
And how do you like go forward with any kind
of confidence. So, needless to say, I didn't get the job.
I remember calling them like two weeks later. I'm like, hey,
I just wanted to follow up to see if you
selected somebody, and they're like, oh, yeah, we hired somebody else.
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Oh you you called up for the no when they
tried to give a silent no, I know. Oh it
was the worst. It was just awful. And I'm right
out of college and it was just I mean, it
was it was bad. Was it the camera that made
you nervous? Was it that? Because that could be very intimidating.
I mean even for people who are actors. And you
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know what, I've talked a lot about the show about
transitioning from say theater into film and television. You know,
the camera is a different thing, and playing to the
camera is a different thing. Do you think it was
that or was it the people that were around? Or
I think it was certainly certainly the camera, because I
had never spoken to a camera before, and it's lifeless.
You know, there's there's no reaction. You try to make
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a little joke and there's there's nobody laughing on the
other end. You know, it's just a silent camera. But
there were also you know, producers around, and I like,
my mind is like, what are they thinking of me?
Like they're judging me. They're obviously sitting there judging me,
and I'm doing terrible. And I love my mom to death,
but she's not the most reassuring person in the world.
You know, she's like m hmm, not great, Like how
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is that one? Mom? You know, it's like something to
make like something to make me feel more comfortable and
give me a little nugget, but no, it was just
a struggle and I couldn't. I couldn't get through it. Wow,
So do you do you keep going at this point? Yeah?
I keep going. I keep sending out more tapes and
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I just I'm so grateful that the NBC station in Erie, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Erie, Pennsylvania,
and I drove out there and something just felt different.
It just felt it just felt right. You know. I
showed up in this town I've never been in before. Again,
I've got my mom by my side, and Phil Hayes
was the news director at the time, and we just
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we just clicked better, you know, we could talk. I
felt more comfortable. I did my little demo. Yes, I
was nervous, but He's like, you know what, I could
tell you're nervous, but I know you're new at this.
We'll get you a voice coach, you know. And he
was like he could see potential in me and was
really going to foster that and he was going to
put in the extra effort to get me where he
wanted me to be. And that's what I spent the
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next two years doing, was just whoever would take me
under their wing. And and Lisa Adams was the main
news anchor at the time, and she took me under
her wing. She invite me over for holidays with her family,
and I just I felt like I belonged and I could.
I wasn't great, but I was able to, you know,
get over that initial greenness that you have when you
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first start in this business. Now, maybe he just liked
you or whatever. But do you think that your serious
meteorology degree from Rutgers was a contributing factor in that?
Like the education? What percentage of local meteorologists have a
trained degree? Well, I'd say lately, I'd say lately a
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lot more stations require that people have a meteorology degree.
I think it's something to advertise. I think it's something
to put in all your you know, your ads for
your show, like, oh, we have the most meteorologist in town.
So I do think when I got into TV, that
was becoming more and more a requirement. It wasn't just
that you wanted, you know, some pretty girl to come
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on and do the weather like you actually had to
have something to back it up. So that certainly helped.
And I knew what I was talking about in the
erie is like really a tough market to forecast four.
And you know, I'm just familiar with the weather in
the Northeast having gone to records, and you know, I
could offer my service as a meteorologist, you know, in
a good way for Erie, Pennsylvania. Right. Why is Erie tough?
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Lake effects snow? I mean, it's just it's a weird phenomenon.
Um lakes effect snow, lake effect snow. Um. So it's
just it's a what no I'm saying. Okay, so like
I've never I've no now I've learned something new a
lake effects snow. So does the lake effect the snow?
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Is that why it's called lake effect. It's so funny
because to me, it's like saying apple like it's lake
effects snow. So like say, it's not going to snow.
It's not going to snow. It's not going to snow
because there's not enough moisture. I can't snow. You're saying
it it's not going to snow. But if you have
a wind off the Great Lakes, you know where the
water temperature is kind of warm, all of a sudden,
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you have the moisture you need for it to snow
because you have cold air and you have now a
moisture source. So moisture in the in the lakes, the
Great Lakes helps fuel your need for snow. So it
dumps snow on areas that are right along the Great Lakes,
like Buffalo, you know, Inland a little bit like Syracuse, Erie, Pennsylvania, Cleveland,
because of the lakes, they get snow. If there were
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no lakes, they wouldn't have snow. Like the Land of
ten Thousand Lakes, Minnesota, it snows a lot. Yes, Is
that because of lake effects now or those? I think
you need a bigger I think you need a bigger lake.
Tried it. I like, I like the connections you're making
the you go so you're an Eerie Pennsylvania. That's a
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that's an NBC station, Okay. And you learn or you
begin to learn your craft. You take voice lessons. Do
your voice do your original voice for me. I don't
even know if I can get it that high anymore.
H It's it's a different It's more the way I
said things, you know, So if I was going to
say the word water, I would have said water. You know.
It was just like water. It's just yeah, like that.
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It's just a very regional accent. So the goal with
the voice coaches to get rid of your regional accent. Yes, no,
I know I'm from the South. I have I've experienced
with that as well. Uh so then you start moving
around Providence, Boston. Now are these because they're bigger cities
that you're moving Yes, So my Michael was to get
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back to local news in New York. You know, that's
the ultimate dream. I didn't think it was ever going
to happen, but that was the ultimate dream. Um. So
after I mean Erie, Pennsylvania, I was making maybe sixteen
thousand dollars a year, um, you know, but it was
like where I learned that I learned to cook because
I couldn't afford to go out to eat. I learned
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to budget because I couldn't jack the heat up. Because
it was just you know, it was like just a
really good learning experience, life experience to like be just
out on my own, living in an apartment in a
strange place by myself. Um. But then it was okay,
I think I'm ready for the next step, and I
wanted to get closer to home. So at this point
sent out, you know, a few more tapes and for
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some reason, and like right away I just got a
job in Providence, Rhode Islands. Also the NBC station they
had an opening and I got the job. So all
of these were NBC okay, and then very strange, I
don't know why. And then how long? How long were
you there? So I was in Providence for two years,
and then there happened to be an opening in Boston.
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And again at the time, Boston was market five. So
to go from market fifty, which was Providence up to
market five. I mean, now I was finally making that
major jump into a major, major market. Right are you
doing nightly news? Are you doing morning? Are you doing
always done mornings? I was doing weekends and erie, and
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then I moved to mornings in Providence, and then through
a whole backstabbing situation, I got moved to weekends, and
that was like a whole there was. There was drama
in Providence. Yes, that's the title of a new movie,
There's drama and Providence. It was just, you know, I
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I'm just a nice person. I'm nice to people, you know,
and people are usually nice. I tend to associate with
nice people. It just seems like the way the world
should work, you know, just everybody be nice to everybody
but Providence. I worked with a lot of people I
absolutely adored one of my dearest friends I met in Providence. Um,
but I also realized that there are people who are
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out to get you. And you know, I was doing
weekends and then I got moved to weekday mornings, and
then somebody else wanted that position and new somebody in
power who could move me back to weekends and slide
open that you know, slot for for her. So I
just remember it being like, oh, this kind of stuff
can happen. I mean, this, this really stinks. So you know,
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I have silly things like I had vacation approved, but
oh no, sorry, you have to fill in for so
and so now, you know, I mean it just it's
like but I had, you know. So it's like that
life experience where it's not all going to go your way.
There's gonna be some some roadblocks, which also motivated me
to get out of there. Like I remember, that's when
I was searching for an agent. I wanted to get
out of Providence. I wanted to you know, move on
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to something bigger and could just kind of get away
from the whole situation, which I was able to do
so local news people have agents. Yes, Okay, that isn't
a joke. Yeah, because you're because you're moving around markets,
and yes, you don't always know what jobs are open.
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You don't know the inside scoop on who's leaving and
what job is about to open up. Your agents obviously
have relationships with all the news directors in the in
the bigger markets. I mean, i'd say, once you get
over market fifty, you kind of need an agent to
get to some of the bigger markets, right, And so
you decide to get out and go to Boston, this
is the top five market. Did you ever see yourself
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staying in Boston? Yeah, So my now husband Brian was
my cameraman. We all worked on morning news, and I
mean it took a while. So I had worked in
Boston for probably like four or five years before Brian
comes into the picture. Because Brian's actually like six years
younger than me, so he was still in college. Like
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I'm like successful, you know, making indecent money. I owned
my own house. I'm like, you know, things are going good.
And then this like this kid keeps showing up in
the weather office and just sort of hanging out, and
I'm like, this guy just telling me stories about like
what he's doing with his friends. And it's like he's
such a colle like he's such a college kid, Like
he's just who's this stupid kid who just keeps showing
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up in the weather office. But he was funny and
he made me laugh. And there was a group of
us that we'd go out after the new news at
one o'clock in the afternoon. We're all hanging out, you know,
having drinks and having a good time. I don't know.
It was after like, after several years of us just
being friends, something just clicked and I'm like, I don't
really care that he's six years younger than me. He's awesome.
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He's funny, it makes me laugh. He's nice. And like
a year later we were engaged and we were looking
for houses and we were gonna move into the suburbs
outside of Boston. Wow. Wow, this, I mean, this is
our Valentine's episode. And I always thought it was gonna
be me and you, but this is a story. I mean,
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this is uh wow. And and you thought you would stay, yeah,
I mean that was the plan. We immediately got a dog.
So our dog, Bosco, is twelve years old because it
was like twelve years ago that we met. Like the
second we started dating, we just like we knew, this
is it, this is this is the future. Let's move
near your parents. We were looking at houses and then
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all of a sudden, my agents like, I just I
just want you to know there is not a job
open at the Today's Show right now. But I just
kind of mentioned to them that maybe you guys should
hire a weekend meteorologist because they were using local meteorologists
to kind of just handle Saturday and Sunday. So I
think I'm just gonna put out there that, you know,
maybe you should have coffee with them or just meet
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with somebody at the Today Show. But don't get your
hopes up. There is no job. And I said, sure,
all I'll meet with whoever can't hurt, happy to do
it exciting and nerve racking. I mean, this is like,
this is the this is the Today's Show? Like that
was never on my radar. I mean, you've got Al Roker,
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that's you know that there's no chance I'm going to
come anywhere close to this world of network news. You know,
it's just not going to happen, right, So I go down,
I meet some people all goes well, I kind of
like choked down my nerves, you know. I sometimes like
I just I don't know. I don't know. Do you
get nervous before you meet important people? I mean I
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was super nervous this morning. I was petrified. I was nervous. Um, sure,
of course. I think it's more when I know I'm
going to be in front of a group of people
and I don't really know what's coming. Like someone says, hey,
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by the way, we want you to say a few
words later on, and so immediately what I think is, oh,
they want they assume that I'm funny, which, by the way,
well I can be. But I also I actually don't
tell jokes. I don't know jokes. I don't like, that's
not what I do. It's like a mental thing. I
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don't remember them. I'm like, oh, that's a good one.
I've got to remember that. I remember that I have
one joke. It's totally inappropriate. I tell that, and then
I usually am done and I think like are they
going to be disappointed? But anyway, yeah, in front of
a group of people, I do. And what you're talking about,
like meetings, that can be difficult again because of not
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really knowing what the expectation is, what you know, how
how it's going to go in that way or what
they're sort of expecting from me. But before you go on,
I want to I want to say, like, so at
this moment, they're like, there's not really a job. How
long was Willard Scott on The Today Show? Like a
long time? A long time because Al looked up to him, um,
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and Al was doing weekends and Willard was doing the
week days. And then when you know Willard was getting
ready to step back a little bit, I was able
to slide into that role. But I mean twenty years
and how on this alb in there alsband at NBC
for forty years. I think he's been with the Today's
Show maybe, but I grew up watching him. So yeah,
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I mean I remember Willard Scott, but definitely remember Al
Roker taking over. So okay, so you meet, You're nervous,
but there's no job. So yeah, I'm just literally going
to meet people and small talk chat is not like
my strong suit. Like I hate going to Christmas parties.
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I hate which is so interesting how you and I
became friends because it's like we I don't know, like
its just some people you can talk to and there's
like little jokes and there's little like and there's some
people like you have to put an effort to talk to,
you know, you have to continue to keep the small
talk going. And then it's there's awkward silence and I
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feel like I need to fill the silence or I
don't know, like there's I I guess you're just meant
to click with some people and not with others. But
when it comes to people in in an authority position,
I just I don't thrive in that environment. So I
but I swallow all those nerves and I introduced myself
and I talked and I answer their questions and I
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kind of try to sit in a comfortable, you know position,
so I look more confident and I'm just kind of
I get through the meetings and everything everything is fine.
You know, they like me enough that they say, why
don't you come back in a couple of weekends and
just fill in on the show, not the weekday show,
just the weekend show. So okay, yes, this is my
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big opportunity. We talked about it on the show up
in Boston. This weekend. You have to watch Dylan's going
to be on the weekend Today's show. We're so excited
for her. YadA YadA, yadas. So you know, Boston knew
I was going to do this, and they kind of
knew where if it went well, where it could lead.
So like it was all kosher, everything was all good.
So I remember I get there and I pick out
like just like the prettiest dress I could find. And
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four o'clock in the morning and I wake up into
my mom's with me again, and we're in the hotel
room and I'm getting ready and she looks at me
and she's like, do you have any spanks? And I
was like, no, I don't, and it's four o'clock in
the morning, so I can't get any. So she's like, Okay,
I guess it'll be all right, going in with full
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confidence here. So it's a very different environment. You know,
you need to show a lot of personality. It's not
just local news where they tossed to you. You give
a forecast, you make a little joke and you toss back,
you know. I mean that's this is like you have
to intro segments and you have to chit chat with
all your co anchors, and you have to go to
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the plaza where there's a giant crowd of people and
you have to interact. So I'm again not my strong suit.
But I go out to the plaza and I see
this guy wearing a chicken hat on his head, and
I'm like, this is gonna be so easy. He's going
to say something funny. I'm gonna look adorable, this is
gonna go so great. So I remember, it's my moment.
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I do the weather, and I go and I don't
even remember what the question was that I asked this guy,
but I asked him something and he goes mm hmm,
So okay, I get nothing. I asked another question, uh huh,
And I'm like, oh my god, Like this guy in
a chicken had just ruined my chance at you know,
showing this big personality and I can play off of that,
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and like he ruined my chance. And all any of
my friends were talking about was like, what was up
with that guy with the chicken hat? So all right,
whatever that that was. That that was my day. That
was my big trial. And I honestly was shocked when
they said that they were actually going to offer me
a position. It was a couple of months later it
wasn't like the next day, So of course I'm thinking
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it's no chance that this is going to happen. But
and then we just pick up everything. Brian quits his
job and we've moved down to New York City. Wow,
now is this would you say? This is the dream? Like?
This is this is the dream? This is the dream?
This is like And it's funny because now I don't
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really do that much weather. I mean, if al Broker's off,
I I fill in for him. Um. But when I
when I first started, it was, I mean there was
it was a little shaky. I had to get over
the nerves at first. They sent me to a talent
coach and I can't to coach my talent and to
like make me more comfortable. It was almost like a
confidence coach kind of thing. Um, But like I I
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will get comfortable eventually, but they wanted me comfortable like
right away, and I it took some time. So I
remember the coach even said he's like, I don't really
know what to do here because you seem confident enough,
but I like, I don't know, I don't know how
to help you. Just keep doing what you're doing. I
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guess you know, it was kind of that, and I'm like,
all right, And it took about a year before I
really felt like, Okay, you know, I can do this.
I can make jokes, I can chime in and I
can really be myself. But it it took some time.
And I remember when I started, they said, you're not
Al Roker, do not be Al Broker, and I'm like, okay,
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I have to be me. I just have to be me.
I can't imitate how anybody else does this. I just
have to be me. And I eventually found myself and
that was ten years ago. That's really interesting that they
said that. I mean, i'll tell you what my first
impulse is. I don't know that they would like that
I said this. My memory of Al Roker was he
was trying to be Willard Scott. Like. I feel like
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those two guys were very similar, at least early on. Yes,
I would say very similar. I think that just happens
to be those two people too. I think they're just
two people who are very similar. And it's funny because
now that I am so close with Al. Granted I'm
not Al's big personality, you know, but like he and
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I get each other's jokes we can kind of finish
each other. We have a good banter um and he's
just like, it's such a pro it. He knows what
I want to say, so he'll team me up so
that I can say it, you know, like we just
have a good give and take. So I would say,
I don't know if Al's like Willard. I'm similar to
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Al in a way that isn't recognizable but interesting. So
what you just brought up is what I really wanted
to talk to you about. I mean, you, now, if
not an actor, certainly an entertainer. I mean the only
difference is we're playing characters and you are a version
of your of yourself, but a version of yourself. So
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I mean, really, you start, as you know, I'm generalizing
for comedy. You start as a nerd interested in engineering
with four et cetera for calculus classes to learn meteorology,
which is a serious science of weather. Looking, I've started
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to fade and now no, now you're you know you're
you're bantering on not just television, but live television, which
is something altogether different. Do you love it? Like? Do
you are you? Are you happy with where you have
have arrived? Oh? Yeah, I mean and I can easily
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talk about whether they could send me out to a
hurricane right now, and I can, I can talk you
through the storm, Like that's that's easy for me. I
know what I'm doing. People trust me. There's that the
fact that I co host a show or I don't
do any weather is with people I genuinely enjoy being with.
It's just so much fun. I mean, every day we
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leave the show and we're laughing and we're smiling, and
I never feel like bummed out when I come to work.
I mean it's the people I get to meet. I mean,
the people that we have on the show, like actors.
It's just it's so much fun um And even just
like the skill of interviewing I find is I don't know,
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I just I just I love it. Just like I
like making a forecast that's accurate. I love interviewing someone
like I love having like a paper, you know, like
I love having my notes here and not having to
look at them. You know. I love knowing the interviewers
so much just from like the homework I've done and
the prep work I've done where I don't need to
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like read my question off the paper, you know what
I mean, I just I like being able to just
curiously ask them a question, and I like getting better
as an interviewer in that way. Yes, that's me too.
I look, I've got multiple papers here, but it's way
more fun too. I mean I learned a lot about
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you obviously getting to know you house. By the way,
if you ever want to interview someone or time of
conversation with someone, if you know them in advance, it's
way Oh my gosh, So you have brought up two
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other things that I wanted to talk to you about.
You said, if a hurricane comes up and they want
you to go, you'll feel comfortable. What in the I'm sorry,
I usually don't say that. What the fuck is? What
is explained to me? The phenomenon, Oh news, go going lucky.
I read in you were on your way to a
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blizzard and you shocker in a blizzard, you get in
a car accident and get a cushion. That was ridiculous.
That's when I first started and didn't say like no
to things. I'm like, sure, you want me to get
in the car now, Sure, I'll do whatever you want.
Now I will tell them I don't think we should
leave now, because we're going to get stuck in it.
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We probably should have left a couple hours ago. So like,
I'll speak up for myself now that that was just
kind of But what but what what does this make
for better television? See? To me, it makes for jokes
like if somebody is passing around a weather person video
on the coast of Florida and there's a hurricane coming,
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no one is sending now, this is a spoiler alert,
but no one is sending this like wow, look at
the courage of that meteorologious. No I thought that's what
they were doing. No, it's like, what is wrong with
this person? Why did they make him stand out there
when there's a hurricane coming in? Be real with me,
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what is it? Is it rating? I mean, is there
as someone done the research to say this makes for
compelling television? To be honest, I mean I've stood out
in fifty below zero god in a T shirt with
vassoline on my arms because we were trying to recreate
the theory like how do football players play with short
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sleeves when it's you know, like forty below zero outside
And somebody said they use vasoline, which is fine, I
could see it, but you can't put a jacket on
when your arms are covered in vassoline. So the repercussions
of doing this little ship for TV were I mean,
it was awful because I just could not get my
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arm in a coat. That being said, Okay, wait, first
of all, that I get that is actually fairly funny.
I'm gonna find that footage. I want to see that footage.
But that's a fun I'm talking about. Yeah, but you're
talking about like standing out in the hurricanes, ver a
blizzard or like in a hurricane. Well, and it's funny
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because like say we pick a location because that's where
it's going to be like the most active during our
live shot. If we pick a location and it's not
snowing or it's not sixty mile proper winds, I mean,
there's like a sigh of oh, you don't have a
good live shot. I mean, this is TV, it's morning TV.
It's sort of entertainment. You know, we definitely want a
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good active live shot. It shows like how cool the
weather is. You know, it's like, don't go out in it.
We're going to do that for you. But if you
were to go out in it, this is how it
would be. Well, they're not gonna why you shouldn't go
out in it. This is yeah, but see here's the
thing I feel like, Well, I guess I'm only putting
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camera people like your husband in Jeopardy, like I enjoy
seeing it, not enjoy I'm sorry, that's a horrible choice
of words. I don't mean enjoy it. I appreciate, you know,
a disastrous flood, like giving visual insight into what is happening.
That makes sense to me. But well, let's just say, Okay,
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you know you're looking at pictures or video and we're
trying to explain how strong a storm is. You're gonna
let You're gonna think this is a ridiculous statement, but
I'll tell you wins right now are seventy miles per great,
that's a number. Sure looks like seventy mile power winds.
But if I stand out in it and you see me,
you know, like bracing myself against something so that I
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don't blow over, now you really get what seventy mile
power winds look like. Right. It stops you in your tracks.
You're watching, you want to see what's going to happen. Remember,
there is some like we're telling you a news story,
but it is still a visual medium. So yes, well,
I think partly what you're saying, which I buy about,
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by the way, but I get the the actually the
public safety aspect of of a visual image because I
get what you're saying like seventy, Like what is seventy
What I'm saying is if you if you show an
image of like you know, saying in California with Santa
Anna wins and you show an image of like eighty
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foot tall palm trees like sideways, that tells the story.
You don't have to show the person a light post
holding a light post, screaming into a microphone with the
wind whipping it, being like we're out here. But I
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want to be your personal connection to the story. I'm
why you're going to stick around and watch just to
see Maybe it is just to see something happens, but
I'm I'm going to be your personal connection because in
in in that theory, why do we stick so and
so outside of courthouse as we're you know, teeing up
the you know, the story about whatever you know? Why
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why do we show any live reporters anywhere? Do we do?
We have to know where your connection to the story. Yes,
but I would make the argument. This is what I
was about to say before. I can't believe you're arguing
this point with me. I'm shocked that that we're on
different sides of this. If you send a reporter into
a war torn area, okay, and you have the reporter
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on site on the plant, like I understand that, but
you don't really ever, unless it's a mistake, you don't
see a reporter with active ammunition and bombs happening immediately
next to them at that at that moment, right, yeah,
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you make a good kin to what we're discussing. It's like,
oh my gosh, there's a hurricane happening. Let's everybody get
to Florida and potentially be put in a disaster slee
dangerous situation. I will say the scaredest I've ever been
was that a hurricane in Bermuda, Category three hurricane hit
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in the middle of the night, so everybody was in
their hotel rooms, Like the windows in my room were bowing.
I was I was waiting for like the crash of
the windows to just give way, to the point where
I slept on the bathroom floor just to brace myself
in case that were to happen. I mean and then
I woke up the next morning and it was like
that was really scary, Like I ended up staying the
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night in the bathroom, and all the photographers they're all
like Miami Base, so they were like, oh, yeah, that's
what you do. You sleep in the bathtub and just
put a mattress over, you know, just put a mattress
over the top of the tub. And I was like,
all right, cool, So I did this right. But you
went there. You went there because the hurricane was coming.
I went there because the hurricane was coming. And I
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will say, as from a meteorologist perspective, I got to
see the front side of the hurricane. I got to
see the eye of the storm where I mean these ends,
the front side of the hurricane. It was just it
was so intense, like you thought every tree was gonna
just topple over you. It's just like something you've never
seen before. And then all of a sudden, the eye
of the storm comes through. You hear birds, you hear crickets,
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you hear like not a single drop of wind. It
is the calmest, like the calmest thing you've ever experienced.
And then all of a sudden, the backside of the
storm comes and that's when I slept on the bathroom floor.
So like from a meteorologist perspective, I can look at
that stuff on the computer, I can look at visuals,
but to experience it because I know what was happening, Yeah,
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it was scary, but it was it's fascinating. I just
find the weather so fascinating. So I like, you know,
I like being outside when the snow is coming down
so hard that you can't even see I just because
I I like it. It's I don't know, it's just
it's really fascinating. Yeah. I get what you're saying. I
get what you're saying. I just don't want anyone in danger, right.
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We're usually pretty good at keeping ourselves safe, except when
you're sleeping in a bathtub mashes safely though. Um, most
heart wrenching moment on live television for you was what
on the Today Show heart wrenching moment emotional Yeah, man,
that's um. It's tough, especially now that I do get
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to talk to so many different people outside of you know,
just the weather. So obviously you talk to someone after
their home has been destroyed by a tornado, and it's
it's heartbreaking, but I think, um, any any story that
involves children, especially like little kids overcoming cancer and they're
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so positive and their outlook on life and they're making
bracelets for their friends because that's what they like to
do in their free time. I mean, I think any
story that involves children is just so maybe because I
have my own kids that you just you put yourself
in the parents shoes and you just you wonder how
some people can get through some of the things they
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get through. Um, So I would say anything involving kids
just breaks my heart. It's hard to keep it together. Yeah,
that's that's got to be an incredibly difficult thing to
to go through on live television. I you know, I
have told this story a couple of times, but you know,
we used to have make a wish kids come and
I remember this one day as a kid came and
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Kevin was his favorite character, and me going to the
prop room like give him whatever he wants, Like whatever
he wants, we don't need fourteen spare eminem jars, like
just give him, like, just give him one, and going
into the back and just crying, just being like this
is like a very just an emotional moment. I can't
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imagine going through that on live, live television. Do you
have do you have a favorite moment? Um a favorite moment?
So before COVID, but we when we traveled a lot,
like all the stories we would we would just travel
and that it's just fun. And we were doing a
series for Mother's Day and it was like, let's give
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your mom something on her bucket list. And I'm like,
all right, this is awesome. It's like peek Today's show.
And I got to take my mom to Costa Rica
to go whitewater rafting, like for a Today's Show story.
It was such a such a boondoggle. And to bring
my mom along, you know, it's just like what is happening?
You know, we're flying out to Costa Rica. It's like
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all expenses paid. You know, it's just like we're doing
it for a story. Um. And that was just really
special because just because it was so wild. I mean,
hosting live television day after day, do you ever get
nervous or are you ever not sure what's coming next?
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I know you have people in your ears. There are
times where it's like we don't have the video yet,
We'll let you know when we got it, you know,
and we're just about to toss to the video and
it's but I don't know, after doing this for so long,
and when you're in a comfortable situation, you could just
b as your weight through anything, Like you could just
keep saying more and more words, and when you run
out of words, you're co hosting with someone who can
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fill it in with more words, you know. I mean,
like we're very good at vamping, and just like filling
the gaps, there are sometimes where you won't realize that
you were going to be star struck. I mean, I
would say my most embarrassing moment and it was such
a stupid thing. We were on a set visit for
like um Neighbors Neighbors Too. Do you remember that movie?
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It's like Seth Rogan and zac Efron. So you go
and you interview the characters and it's like all right,
like I know my questions, Like I again, I like
to prepare, and for some reason, interviewing zac Effron just
threw me off. And I'm not even like a zac
Efron fan, but he's like standing there and he's got
like a tight T shirt on, and I remember just
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like my mouth went to open to ask a question
and I'm like, um, and you know, I'm like tucking
my hair behind my ears and like I could not speak.
And then it was not live, but my producers standing
right there and like they're recording, like we're recording this
to tape because like we're doing an interview, and Seth
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Rogan standing right there like what the hell is going
on right now? And it was just the most like
disgustingly awful, like embarrassing feeling. It took me for a
long time to shake it because it was just like, wow,
I just really botched that whole thing. It was so
awkward because you love zac Efron, by the way, when
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you told me the two people this was, it was
not the person that I had guessed for you. I know,
and kind of like random times where I don't know
what happens. There are certain celebrities who will come on
that just like your brains sort of show it's down
and you just get a little nervous. I don't know,
why are you going to get nervous with me? I think,
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so are you in an excited way because it's like
I don't know. Now, it's like you're my friend and
I'm going to bring you on the show, and I
want I want to protect you, you know, and it's
like I want Craig and Alan Shanelle to love you
as much as I do, and you know, I just
I want everything to just go really well. Oh it will,
I think, which is funny because like this just showed
(56:27):
up on my desk today. See I'm like ready for
your segment. There is that's my face. Oh that's well,
that's very fun. That's very fun. So I'll start preparing
for you better. It's gonna be. Brian did tell me.
He's like when when Brian comes on the show, you know, like,
don't be too inside baseball, you know, like, remember it's
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still just an interview. Don't be like like, oh, we're
such good friends and your husband's giving you advice like
a month in advance for all right, he does. He's
a good I have to talk to you about, well,
now that you're a big actor, star fate of a sport,
(57:09):
you're hosting Earth Odyssey with Dylan Dryer. The fact that
you get your title on the show as well, that's
very not just dir thoughtsy, it's their thoughtasy with Dylan Dryer.
Are you passionate about Earth Odyssey? Oh? I love it.
It's I mean, I think we're we think we just
finished up five seasons. So it's it's just like the
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perfect little nature show that you watch on Saturday morning
TV with your kids, and it's just I just love it.
I'll fly out to l A. I'll shoot all the
on camera stuff um out at the arboretum outside l A,
and then I do all the voice over work in
my closet, you know, and it's like, I just it's awesome.
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Do you have a peacock in your closet as well
when you're doing your voice over work? That's that's what
the important. But my head is now covering it. So
I thought you forgot about it. And I have to
talk to you about Misty the Cloud, your best selling
children's book series. You were so kind and sent the
books to my girls. They are are loving it. I
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don't know if you ever put this together, but you're
a weather person, and it's about a cloud on purpose
the whole thing, you know. It was. It was actually
something we we came up with like ten years ago,
and it was really really hard to get a children's
book published. I had to, you know, I had to
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pitch the idea and and I'm like, I'm passionate about
this idea. I think there is no world where there
are clouds zipping around the sky and they're having fun
and they're teaching you little lessons and it's just fun.
Why doesn't this exist? It's it's just really visual and
really cool. And think of all the cool characters you
can have between like all the different types of weather.
So I'm like, I want this to exist. So I
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pitch it and it's like, um, that's great, But you
know what would be really cool and what's really selling
right now, like biography use about like little known people,
So like what if you write a biography about a
female meteorologist who who won't take no for an answer?
And I was like, do you want me to take
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no for an answer? To write a book about someone
who won't take no for an answer? So it's like
I'm good. Um, And it's so like we kind of
pushed aside and then we brought it back and then
I just like I just I really was so passionate
about it and just tried and tried and tried. I
teamed up with a co author, Alan Alan Katz, who
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kind of saw my vision, and yeah, we we put
it out. The first one came out last year, and
then the second one came out this year, So yeah,
that's awesome and so cute and so beautiful. How many
are you gonna do? Are you gonna do? Twelve? So
then the next two books are actually step into reading books,
which has been really cool because the first two books
came out which were perfect for Calvin, and now the
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next to come out, which Calvin is starting to read
now my oldest son, so I can give them to him.
And then after that we have two board books coming out.
So yeah, so just like it's a fun little series, um,
but are are big thing we'd love to Our goal
is to turn this into an animated cartoon, like an
animated series at some point, because again, I think it's
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great for the books, and I love it in the books,
and I love talking about science in the back of
the books. You know, I've had to create a rainbow,
had to create a thunderstorm, but I still just imagine
it is so vibrant and alive and just the things
you can do with clouds and colors, and we just
kind of see it going even further. That's awesome. If
you need a voice for Misty. I pictured you was
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more of like a hurricane. Yes, I am Dylan. Uh.
By the way, Dylan and I got to know each
other a few weeks ago here at the LPGA Tournament
of Champions in Orlando, Florida, Hilton Grand Vacations. Had a
great time. I look forward to playing How is the golf?
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Have you played any golf since we've been been back?
You do know I live in New York City, right, Yeah,
I know, so I guess I'm so bad at golf.
That's I guess that's a no. Um. I look forward
to many more adventures with you on the golf course
and etcetera. Start getting nervous about the Today Show. I'm
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so excited. I can't wait to have you on the show.
Like it's just it's just gonna be fun. You just
I don't make new friends at this point in my life,
you know, I just I don't know. There's just a
lot going on. And it was just really such a
special weekend down in Orlando, and it clicked and it
was just easy and fun and I'm just so grateful
for our friendship. Now. Well, Happy Valentine's Day, Happy Valentine's
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Happy Valentine's Day to my new friend and uh and
more to come. Congratulations on everything. I look forward to
seeing you in New York and this summer at at
Lake Tahoe American Central Championships. Get your golf game ready.
I know I need to step it up a little bit,
so this way we could be paired up again. We'll
be paired up again, and then I'll take some more
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of your husband's money. Well said, we're saving now. Thank you,
Thank you, Brian Dylan, thank you so much for coming on.
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I can't wait to see you very shortly on the
Today Show. I promise I will. I will try not
to make you nervous. This was a treat. It is
conversations like these that remind me why I started Off
the Beat. Listeners, as always, you're the best. Thank you
so much for joining me. Make sure to tune in
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next week for another episode of the podcast. I'll see
you soon, and whether you're listening today, really any day,
you are my Valentine. Off the Beat is hosted an
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