June 11, 2025 • 50 mins
This week it’s Jay Mohr! S.E. sits down with the stand-up comedian and host of the “Mohr Stores” podcast to talk about his early career, 90s male archetypes, and how he’s transitioning into this second half of life and career. Jay talks about his journey to sobriety, his lows, and rebuilding the bridges he had burned. And it’s a very Jay lightning round with questions about Nascar, SNL, and the greatest joke writer of all time.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
He looks like Ronda Rousey.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh do I like that? She's pretty?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
She's very pretty. You're a very pretty woman.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I like that she's Yeah, Okay, I'll take it. We
don't need to explore.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
That, moll take it. I wouldn't have said it if
it wasn't complimentary.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We have to put this in because my anxiety is like,
is that good? Is that bad? What does he mean?
What does he mean?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome to Off the Cup my personal anti anxiety antidote.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I am so excited for today's guest.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm I'm a huge fan of his work, his stand up,
his sketch comedy, his films. You may know him from
Saturday Night Live or Jerry Maguire, Gary Unmarried or one
of his stand up specials. He's host of the More
Stories podcast. It's Jay Moore.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Welcome to Off the Cup. Yes, yes, yes, you've arrived.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I have arrived. I made the big time home on
the se Cup podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Riverside style ridiculous, ridiculous, But I appreciate you coming.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'm glad to be invited places these days. It's nice,
happy to be here. I just I'm obsessing over my hair.
I'm like Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Bernie, it looks good. It looks good. It looks good.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
From Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You look great, you look great.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, we won't discuss what you said I looked like
at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You look like ro Rousey mm.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hmm and thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I unraveled a bit a bit. But I'm gonna just
take I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take the compliment.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Take it. She's a beautiful, strong, powerful woman.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, she's a champion.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, okay, good, you look like a champion.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Better, Okay, you look like an a specialist. You look
like you punch other ladies in the face.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Living.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You look like you get out of scale in front
of people.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
You look like you try to make weight every week,
don't we all and scene?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Okay, all right, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You've done so much.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But before we get into everything, you you seem to
be really enjoying your podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah and yeah, And I can.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Imagine it's a very different muscle than stand up for acting.
And I like doing a podcast because coming from live TV,
breaking news, five seconds sound bites, it's like low pressure
and I can relax into it. How do you feel
about podcasting.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It's an interesting question because I feel the exact opposite
of you. I feel way more pressure podcasting than stand
up stop stand up. I control all the variable. I
know what I'm gonna say, and if you talk while
I'm talking, you get thrown out. So it's like, look
at me on my terms for this allotted amount of
time where I'm in complete control, and I know before
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you know how great this is gonna be, even if
it's just second by second. Yeah, podcasting, from the moment
I say welcome to the More Stories podcast, I have
terror that I'm going to run out of things to ask.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
That's amazing, and which means I'm not really listening most
of the time, because I said, going what.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
What, don't forget? Don't forget? Ask him about when he
went to college. He went to Emerson, and so and
so went to Emerson.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I get that, I get that, But that's wild.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So your stand up, my version of your stand up
is my column where I have as much time as
I want. I'm writing it exactly the way I want.
No one's watching me as I do it. It's completely controlled.
That feels the best to me. But podcasting, because I
have an hour instead of like the cable news you know,
(04:04):
break system schedule is much more relaxing because I don't
have to fit it all in on live TV in
like three seconds. But for you, the process of interviewing
someone comes with.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Terror anxiety, and I'm good at.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It and you are, though.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I like going from like really silly to really deep
to back to silly and disarming people with nonsense. But
then I learned this, So I did the podcast for
eight years. Then I went to rehab, which will put
let me tell you something, if going to rehab will
really put a crimp in your podcasting schedule also, well,
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because you're you're kind of in communicado for thirty days there. Yeah,
So then I put the podcast away. Then I just
focused on recovery for like three years, and I was
going back out on the road doing stand up. But
the question that was constant no matter what city I
was in, day, night, afternoon, when you bring in the
podcast back, When you bring in the podcast back when
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socially it was like all right, all right, And then
I brought it back and now it's like there's video.
I feel like, you know, a senior citizen who's been
woking up from a sleep from like the thirties until
I'm like, well, thiss video, I gotta I gotta wear pants.
And then so it was like a new way to
do it. I had to eat, I had to get
back into it. But I learned if I prepare like
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a lunatic and I have my notes, that's good. But
if I'm married to my notes, I'm not really listening
because I'm thinking about to ask next. So I do
the notes, I prepare, it's all in my subconscious and
then to just sit and just listen, a better conversation happens.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's the way to do it. That's exactly the way
to do it. You going in totally unprepared. Sometimes I
hear these podcasters like I just sit down and we
go and it shows.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It shows, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think you need to be prepared and you need
to know your subject, but you also need to be
present in the moment and waiting for that give and
take and those interesting areas that can go off page.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I see. It's a lot like stand up in this regard.
Like I just did a spot at the Improv Saturday.
I had all new jokes, Like I had an index
card with all new jokes and then like twelve minutes in,
I'm like, wait, that's all of it. Now what Like
now what?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So what did you do?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm very transparent. I'm like, well, that's all the new
jokes I have. I don't know what to tell you guys.
And then I was like, wow, if I was ever
in an accident and my wallet like my leg I
got it, you know, my legs were amputated and my
wallet went across the street or something, and the only
way they can identify me is by this note card.
It's like Trump, white teenagers on electric lights, Jewish Jewish
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karate dog pup Hams will be like, well we found Kanye.
Like it's absurd.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So let's talk about Let's talk about this point of
your career. You're fifty four, and I'm always really interested
in people's career arcs and getting to this age, whatever
age you are.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm forty six.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The things I thought were gonna bother me as I
aged are not the things that are bothering me. The
physical aging stuff isn't fun. Well, the physical stuff isn't fun.
I can manage the physical stuff, and it's almost liberating
the stuff caring about trying to be like an object
of desire, So, like, you know, the physical stuff is
what I thought would bother me.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
The things that bother me are more existential, Like where
am I in my career? And where else can I go?
Am I on the decline in my career? Is this
a plateau? Have I yet to peak? Where am I
meant to be at this point in my life? That's
the stuff that is kind of fucking with.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
My head a lot? Right now? What about you? Like,
where are you at this age?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I don't know. We could courage. On the note card
it said karate dog.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Shit hands even better, even better.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's interesting because again it's like an opposite because I
was always chasing, chasing, chasing, what's next? What's next? Like
that guy's a podcast. I want a podcast. He wrote
a book. I'm gonna write a book. Well he got
that role. Why don't I have that role? Then I
got sober, and the whole, the whole daily mission of
recovery is surrendering your ego. From the moment I wake up,
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I have to hit my knees and just get just
you take it. My way doesn't work. And what happened
over three years now, in my fourth year of recovery.
It's I don't have any desire to chase, and my
idea of success so completely changed that that that chase
is completely completely, not completely, it's the majority of it
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is gone. And so my definition of success has been
turned on his head, and it's now like, hey, yeah,
I got this movie role for you. You'd be the lead.
It shoots in Ireland. Like, I'm not going to Ireland, right,
I gotta go for a month be away from my
kids and my wife and my dogs. Yes, I've push
dogs in a stroller around the neighborhood, like I'm that guy. Yes, yes,
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which makes me a very difficult client. I think they
represent because it's like we're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Over we're not chasing it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like I just kind of i'd say
I don't care, but I do care. But the only
reason I do care is that ego again. So yeah.
So now it's the things that used to bother me,
was they have that, Why don't I have that?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And the awareness at fifty four years old that I
have everything I could possibly need, which in the elimination
of the wants. So now it's just my idea of
success is just more of this, which is just kind
of it's almost like being retired. I guess this is
what people are when they're retired. Yeah, they just work
when they want to.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean you have the luxury to say no to thing,
which is wonderful, and you know, as you get more
successful in your career, you get more of those opportunities
to say no.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And really, I think everybody has that luxury to say
no to things. I think it's getting into the consciousness
of realizing nothing really is going to matter.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's okay in terms of your career, like this one
job is not going to ultimately make the difference. If
I have to miss my kids for a month, it
is not worth it, right, Yeah, Yeah, well I feel
that too for sure. I just think and maybe part
of it is being a woman in this career where
you hit your forties and people start treating you a
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little differently, right, like you're not as interesting, you're not
as smart, you're not as relevant. And I haven't changed,
and in fact, I feel like I'm just getting good.
But it's weird, especially being a public person where people
are judging what you're doing as well. Do you ever
get caught up thinking what are other people thinking of
me and what I'm doing or any of that?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Well, yeah, I mean that's kind of what drives all
of us every day, like what's everybody thinking of me?
That's why you want to do something great, because you
want people to think it's great. But as far as like,
I don't read comments on YouTube or like I've oh good, Yeah,
I just I can't because the one comment negative, that's
the one I want to respond to totally. People like
I love your podcast, I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. And
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then one guy goes, why are you always interrupting? I'm like,
what do you mean I'm.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Interrupting, which means and now you have a complex, Yeah,
which means I got work to do spiritually, I suppose, right,
but I do.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Guys. Right, Well, I was speaking at a prison once
this year, Yes, and I I finished my share with
like and now I don't care how people feel about me.
And then they go okay, question and answer time, and
one of these inmates stands up, like a lot of
these guys aren't coming home. So this guy stands up
and goes, yeah, I'm so and so, and you know
you said you don't care what people how people feel
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about you, but your entire career is based on how
other people feel about you. So how do you manage that?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
What an existential question?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I said, you know what, I lied, I completely
care about how people feel about me. And then I
got the entire prison on my side. Yeah, when you
speak into prison, it's just tell the truth. I've been
bullshitting in my whole life.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, bring me want that.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I speak and everything I share. And then when I
said that, I felt that metaphysical, like they all came
to my side. But I care about how people feel
about me. I don't people that say, like, what people
say behind your back is none of your business. It's like, really,
when they're talking about me, so it's kind of all
my business. Yeah, and then you go to smirch my
fine name elsewhere they must be punished punitively.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, let's go back. What kind of kid were you?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Were?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You ambitious as a kid?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You guess what kind of kid I was? Is this really?
Nobody's ever asked me that, just like no one's ever
asked me where did you go to college? It's just
kind of implied that I didn't go to college. And
I was a batshit crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Hyper kid you were HYPERTI.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
More more mark. My first addiction was your approval. If
you don't like me, I'm not sure how to act.
So whatever you like, I'll fill that cup and I'll
love what you love and lose money.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Is that why you became funny?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I think I was. I don't know. That's like the
big question. I don't think you can become funny. I
just think you're wired with this deficit, this hole right
here that needs to be filled with attention and affection
and approval. But also you got to be wired to
have that quick yeah, yep. That. There's no way to
teach it or learn it or convey it. It's just
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things just pop into your head and you just say
it and it's perfect. Sometimes sometimes it's inappropriate. But as
you get older, the inappropriate column goes down and the
good column goes up. You know, Yeah, I was insatiable.
Would be the best best way I would describe me
as a kid.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Tell me about life at Verona High School.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Hell yeah, shadow Verona High School yearbook.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I'm holding up his yearbook page.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Jim John, Vinnie and Troup Never forget Shore Concerts. Eddie
Murphy Van Halen, The Bengals kind of drops off at
the end there.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh, I can read it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You said it drops off. I go for Eddie Murphy
van Halen, the Bengals like kind of drops off.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
At oh at the peer nice bumper sticker, Dan Rascals,
something different, Mickey who working at the tuck pool hopping
with piss. Dad's All nighter, three man frat Rutgers homecoming, Mike,
I think she's possessed. What a long and strange trip
it's been. The Grateful Dead. Does that bring back memories
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a lot?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, all of them. May Rascals was the first place
I did stand up comedy in West Orange, New Jersey.
So I was a junior in high school and my
friend James Barone drove me there. It was a noon
show on a Sunday for other teenage open mic comedians.
So you can imagine how re if that audience was
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with their parents. But uh sure, self explanatory. Jersey Shore,
Rutgers Homecoming. My sister Julie went to Rutgers and I
got to party like a like a big shot and
uh yeah, concert sure. Trying to think what else it said.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Dad's all nighter.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, my dad's fiftieth birthday party was a ridiculous, like blowout,
like Suburbia got turned on his head. We pulled together
that I worked at the Friar Tuck and that's the tuck, okay,
And so we had his party there and then we
all went back to my house and like my dad
and my uncle wrestled on my front lawn. My dad's like,
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you understand, My dad's like, George will okay, so like
come in like with grass stains on his face and sweating.
It was. It was nuts. And we pool. I lived
two blocks from the one block from the community pool
in Verona, New Jersey, and so we uh, we decided
to pool hop by climbing the massive fence. Uh. And
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we all forgot shoes, which is very important. If you're
going to climb a chain link fence, you might want shoes. Yeah.
So we bled into the pool at night and came back.
My dad hey man, hey man. So my dad and
my uncle we came home to see my dad and
my uncle wrestling in the front yard. It was it
was on Oh. I had a French exchange student and
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my cousin Ted, who's a real nerd, and my French
exchange student. It was a real nerd. They partied by
challenging each other. They couldn't speak each other's language, so
they were challenging each other with math problems at their table.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I was like, he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
These guys need to get laid.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You need to write. You need to write a script
around this night.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Dad's all night. Well, that never crossed my mind.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Sounds like a lot of funny things like this sounds
like the party in Pretty and Pink were just our
sixteen candles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, sixteen candles were just like.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Everything's going on and this friend group is over in
this disaster and this one's over on the lawn, and
sounds like an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I want to write a script about the like basically
when I'm going like the comedian that goes away for
four years and then when he comes back out, like
how the business has completely changed and passed me by,
Like every audition is a self tape, and like I'm
standing in my rec room next to a ping pong
table pretending I'm a lawyer, or like like this, like
I had to download some chrome thing Fox Firefox, I
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gotta get on my wife's computer. My wife's name's on
the square, and I can change the name out.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I see, I see you changed in.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's like, I don't even It's like, what do they
them the pronoun thing that happened while I was gone,
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's a good premise. I like that. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And you're gonna play Ronda Ralsey when she was on
the More Stories podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
You've talked a lot about SNL, so I want to
kind of jump over, if you don't mind, I'm happy
to talk about SNL. But two male archetypes maybe for me. Anyways,
sum up the late nineties and you play them both
back to back. Your roles in nineteen ninety six Jerry Maguire,
where you play Bob Sugar, the slick, sleazy LA sports
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agent who would sell his mother for a first round
draft pack, and then nineteen ninety seven's Picture Perfect, where
you play Nick, the shy, non threatening beta male that
only gets the girl in the movies. These two characters
were very different.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You play them both so believably. Which one do you
feel closer to?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I've filmed that. I filmed them at the same time too.
If you're one weird wow Still Yeah, So I was
going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Very different energies these two men.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think I'm I think the first half of my
life was eighty percent Bob Sugar twenty percent Nick. And
I think that's flip flopped. Eighty twenty Nick and twenty
percent Bob Sugar.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah. Like, yeah, Look, we.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Went to the homeowners association meeting last week and the
lady that does the parking commitment because I can't do
it anymore. I've been called every bad name in the book.
My neighbors don't want to talk to me anymore. And
I put my hand off and I said, you had
me at neighbors not talking to me anymore. You're looking
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at se Cup the new parking guy. Nice ever come
to LA and you have to work behind these buildings.
You will have a pass in your window or on
the star stickers on your windows. Yeah. So that's a
little Bob Sugary. Like I've reveled at the idea of
neighbors being mad at me. My hand shut up, like, oh,
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I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's great, right, right, it's not your friends, it's your business.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's not ho it's not Yeah, I got.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It, Yeah, it's it's HOJ.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I was looking for something of course you figured it out.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
We both played two people trampled running for the same punchline.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yes, of course you got there.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I did not. We all we both ran into one
doorway and got stuck with the march.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yes, but what was it like playing you're the romantic
lead opposite Jennifer Aniston, you know, at the height of
at least her popularity. Was that What were you thinking
in that moment and then concurrently in this Cameron Crowe
film that's going to become a giant, a giant piece
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of cinema history.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I was, you know, I'd love to play that part
now where I have some romantic lead experience in me
like I was a twenty five year old Nudnick, I
didn't know anything. It's like, so, I guess it was
better acting than I thought, you know where It's like
I've been a dick for years, so Bob Sugar came
pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Well then, Nick, I mean, you were so believe. I
think if someone hadn't seen some of your other character work,
they'd think, oh, this is this is just what Jay
Moore is like, He's this like quiet, unassuming.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well that's the problem is McGuire was seen by fifteen
times more people. So people a jerk when they meet me.
That's how I am. Yeah, it was very intimidating to
do that because nothing, I didn't have any credits. I
didn't I was a club comic. Jerry McGuire wasn't out yet.
I wasn't necessarily Jennifer Anderson's first, second, third, fourth, or
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fifth choice for that role. The director really went to
bat for me, Glen Gordon Karen who really created Moonlighting.
So he was like, that's what I see. I see
Bruce Willis and Sybil Shepherd, That's what I see when
I see you too, and like she was dating Tate
Donovan at the time, was a great actor. And Peter
Berg's my screen test. I remember we were all waiting
there was like John Stewart, Billy Baldwin would have been
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my choice. That guy's hot, Tate Donovan, Peter Berg, j Moore,
like one of these guys is like the oh, yeah,
that's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
So did you know all that going in that you
weren't first her first choice.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
No, to find that later, me and Iliana Douglas were
standing at Silver Cup Studios waiting to rehearse, and Jennifer
walked in and she made her way across the sound stage,
and I remember she had high heels and it was
an empty sound stage.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
She was like click click click click click click. She
goes five guys a screen test. She says to Aliana Douglas,
the one guy I don't want, that's who gets the part.
Click click click click, And Iliana Douglas patted me on
the back and said, you're gonna have a great summer.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Holy shit in front of you?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Was I mean? Did she mean it to be as
rude as you're making it sound.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, I'm just saying it as data, so you interpreted. God,
I know, she's an incredibly talented, beautiful, successful woman. She
probably knew exactly what she wanted. She probably had a
vision for that, and I just wasn't a part of
the vision. And that's what you call the head of
the parking committee guy being diplomatic.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yes, well, how did you continue on that set knowing.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We're gonna talk politics right now? Or what the hell's
going on here?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You don't talk politics? Here? We don't talk politics. Do
you want to talk politics?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Why is it a no spin zone?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You don't think I can whip up a situation room.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I just want to I just want to. You're laughing
at your jokes right now?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, because I know they're stupid, you know, hold on,
you'll know, and that I think they're really dumb when
I go like this.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, perfect, I'm happy to talk. Do you want to
talk politics?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Why why legitimize those morons? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
We try not to here because it's depressing. And this
is like a break.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I say this. I do have a new joke about
when Trump won. The second time I put on the
news that I was watching and the news anchors were
like visibly shaken and they were saying, like it's a
and you know what channels I'm talking about. It was
like it's a dark day, you know. And I remember
just laying in my bed, thinking, you're supposed to report
(24:23):
the news to me. And I realized in that moment,
I am in an algorithm and I'm being fed the
same thing all the time. And then as I went
about my day, people were like visibly in la people
were like visibly distraught, like everything's going to end. Everything,
We're all on fire, We're all gonna die, like in
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t minus eight minutes, right, And I realized my phone,
my algorithm on my phone, my algorithm on my television,
the people I would have any conversation with. I realized
I was in like a very narrow algorithm. But the
new was anchors not having any objectivity like kind of
shook me awake. And I'm not I'm a proud Independent.
(25:06):
And when people go like, I can't believe you won,
I was like, you can't. Have you been outside, right?
Have you seen take your parents to the beach and
walk around a homeless guy taking a dump on a
wall and walk past. I got to walk my son
past win of bagos that have been there for eight
years when I walk up to school. So I didn't
vote for him, but I understand why you won.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean you completely summed up, you know, the
sort of existential crisis that's happening both in the Democratic
Party but also in the media over you know, how
did we miss this? And I covered the last election
in the swing States talking to voters, so I was
very unsurprised at what happened because I listened to voters
tell me all day, crime, immigration, and the economy.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We don't we don't like our lives right now. That's it.
That's it. Folks, you can yell at me about democracy.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I don't want to get canceled, so I'll talk around it.
But there's a various Pacific talking point that you didn't
mention that it's all the Democrats ever talk about.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
No, I know you can. I mean there's lots of them.
But listen, abortion, democracy, DEI, diversity. I mean, there's a
lot of things that Democrats focused on that were probably
good for their base, but they really ignored the rest
of the country. And they're really they're reconciling with that
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now or they're not. We'll see, we'll see how what
they learn about themselves.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, it's amazing to look at a two party system
and the fact just being like, oh my god, both
these parties are the worst people. I would never hang
out with any of these people.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, a lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
A lot of people are in the middle, in the majority,
and they feel, well, there's a lot of talk right
now around a third party.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Was that his name and facing the crowd, Dusty Rose?
Was there a movie? Du'st the wrong Let's just get
like an old country singer drunk.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Come, that's the solution, Jack to your show.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
But let's get back to the show. But at this point,
let me tell you something. I hope the way people
get so upset with every higher, every move, I'm just
enjoying the show, like George carl and I sit back
and I enjoy the show. And at the point, I
hope Trump starts nominating fictional characters. We all love a
(27:30):
Wookie Chewbacca. He knows the interior. He made the shadow
run in six concepts exactly. Let's bring him out new
Head of Doors. He's a Wookie. Nobody Cutch costs like
a Wookie. They're very cheap in the I've never known
anybody to do or according with their hands when they talk.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Ever, it's amazic. It's amazic.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, I don't mind that diversion, that's fine, but it
comes back very naturally to mental health.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I struggle with mental health.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I struggled with anxiety and had a nervous breakdown a
few years ago, and a lot of that is childhood stuff,
but it's also what I do for a living, and
covering bad news constantly and imagining that bad news is
around every corner.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That's why I stopped watching MSNBC at night, because right
before bed they told me the world was ending every night.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, that's how it feels on cable news.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's like, what are we doing well?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
And it's the same on the right.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And by the way, you're talking breakdown equal breakthrough, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, I mean, And that's what I want to ask
you because I had this breakdown and it was the
first time I really got mental health help as an
adult because I had to there was no other option,
and I began working on it therapy, medication, life changes,
blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But wondering.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
There are people who look back at their moment of
getting sober or getting mental health help and they think, oh,
I wish I never had to go through all of
that awfulness to get to where I am now on
the other side. And then there are other people who
think I could only get here by going through all
the things I went through. Where are you in your
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journey of sobriety and mental health?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
A gem cannot be polished without friction. You couldn't be
this strong woman without that. And like every person I
love that I look up to, like Richard Rohor, Reverend
TD Jake's personal like a sponsor. It's all there's two
halves of life and when you try to work the
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first half. In the second half, that's where there's chaos
in the middle. So like being a stand up comedian
and having that great white single mindedness of purpose, and
it's all I think about. That served me super well
for a very long time, Like, hey man, sorry, if
you're upset, I got to go on stage, don't know.
But then you get older and you have children and
you have a partner and it completely doesn't serve you,
(30:09):
and there's chaos and you either change exactly right and
go out the other end or you live in chaos
and misery. So with me, with recovery, that was I mean,
that was the greatest thing. Being a drug addict is
the best thing that ever happened to me. And I
have children like over my like nothing has transformed me
(30:30):
more than going through what I went through, working twelve
steps in a program pen to paper, seeing the exact
nature of my wrongs and seeing that I am the
cause of all my issues. Today, I am the reason
for all of my problems because that means I always
have a solution. And you talk about like breakdowns. This week,
(30:52):
see I canceled all the rest of my dates for
the rest of the year stand up wise, because I
started again out of nowhere, having panic attacks on planes
on the way to my shows. So this was like
a maybe, like a Monday morning conversation with my agent,
and it boils down to I don't love it anymore
(31:12):
and I'm stuck on this hamster wheel, like I feel
like I just have to do it, and I can't
get off of it because my agent's going to think
I'm high again because he's my agent my whole life.
And when I did, I mean writing, praying, meditating, writing, praying, meditating,
outside help, therapist, breath work, meditation, all of it, and
it just kept coming down to I just don't want
(31:33):
to do it, and I haven't wanted to do it
for a couple of years. I like to stand up.
I don't like flying to bars that are half full
because it's a TikTok and a YouTuber world now and
I've become like dinosaur, so my egos getting banged up
everywhere I go. And when I called my agent and
told him I can't do it. I need to take
these dates off the books, and he told me that's
totally okay, take care of yourself, I exploded and I
(31:55):
started crying.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Yeah, And in real time I was like, holy, holy shit,
Like if this relief I'm expressing, I was carrying that
on top of that, and there was a thing on
top of the thing, on top of the thing. And
then I had some guilt at thinks that he's going
to think I'm high again, and then the relief of
not having to do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And then two nights later, I go on stage at
the improv with all new jokes and have like the
greatest time. I'm invigorated, I feel inspired, like I've never
felt that good on stage in years. So it's like,
I don't think we're there's like breakdowns, and then after
the big breakdown, I think you have breakthroughs.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, yeah, I've never thought about it in those terms.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yea, we're gonn take commercial break. We'll be right back
with what the fuck is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
No, I got it very very clearly, because you describe
I mean, it's very relevant, very relatable to me and
I'm sure a lot of people, but I've never heard
it described. There's two halves of life and when these halves,
when you come to that middle, is when they clash.
And that's one hundred percent would happen for me because
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all of my systems had been working to get me
where I got, you know, success, success, success, climbing, climbing, climbing,
and then I had a family, and then everything started
coming back at me and nothing I had always done
was working to feel good and feel okay, and suddenly
everything was scary and everything bad news around every corner,
(33:25):
and to keep myself safe, I would catastrophize on a loop.
If I can imagine the bad thing happening, it won't happen.
If I don't imagine it, it's definitely going to happen.
And so that was an exhausting way of living. But
thank god I got off that train, and I wouldn't
have known that I needed to get off that train.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What was the thing you came to believe that you
had to give up to have a steadier being.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, I'm wrestling with it now you just said it.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Maybe I don't like this anymore, know the news, politics.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And the creative people like you and me. What's more
terrifying than being stuck in something you don't like doing?
Like the reason we get into this business is I
do this over here. Then somebody asked me to do
that over there. The I'm going to write a book
over here, then I'm gonna do a podcast over there,
because we're like these wanderers.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
That's you just described my career as well. Yeah, books
and a radio show, and I'll do it all. Yeah,
because and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Like when I watch the TV show in the office,
I can't watch it because I get anxiety at the
idea of sitting in an office with the same eleven
people every day. Like I can't enjoy the show because
I get claustrophobic watching people in an office.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yes, it's stifling.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
No, And I've loved the fluidity of my career and
being able to try a lot of different things. But
I think the news and politics has become so awful.
I don't like it anymore. And the tough part is
when I try to go in different directions, it's all
people want me to do is talk politics. And so
then you you go in these circular arguments with yourself,
well like, Okay, this is what they want, this.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Is what I should give them.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
But doing that we do, which is why you're successful exactly.
But I'm trying to do what you're doing, which is
say you know, I don't want to do that. And
I'm being met similarly to you with by agents and
other people by saying you don't have to do it,
don't do it, And the relief is amazing. And ten
years ago I wouldn't have known I could say that,
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and I certainly wouldn't have tried.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I'm fifty four years old, and I burst out crying.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, sobbing.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Like say, you so much, right, but setting boundaries is
the only way, and advocating for yourself is the only
way you're going to create change in your own life.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
They're not going to create it for you.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
No one's going to come in and rescue and say,
you know what, it looks like you're not enjoying this anymore,
So why don't we give you something else to do
that doesn't happen?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
You've got to do it yourself, right. Yeah, it's hard, and.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
People like you and me who love what we do,
like so few people get to experience what you and
I have experienced, like going at a crazy young age,
Oh this is what I'm gonna do, Like oh yeah, no,
it's not a question like oh maybe I'll be a
this or that, Like no, I got it. I'm good.
And then that joy all the time because people will
say like, yeah, but you get to you get to
(36:13):
make people laugh every weekend. It's like, look, I've normalized
what is sensational a long time ago, like you being
on the news. Is you going to work at the
factory or you fixing a bike chain at the bike shop?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Totally the job yep, and to.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Other people, and you you run out of people you
can actually share this with because they just don't understand
what it's like to be on live TV with a
guy in your ear going gotta get out, gotta get out,
gotta go so.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
True, and you get more insular with your friends because
there's only so many people that can relate to you. Yeah, yeah,
I get it, and your world kind of closes in
and then you start to think, well, this is the
only world I have and this is my only identity.
Who am I without this? How can I change this?
That's what I mean by those moments.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
At my intervention, everybody told me like, well i'll move,
I won't let you in, And then when my agent
said I won't book you anymore, I was like, I'm
going to go. I'll go to rehab that's what's got me, like,
not like your kids are gone, your wife, your boy.
Just if I'm not doing stand up? What am I?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
What am I going to get a job right?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I don't know how to do it. My wife had
to hook up this stupid chrome thing you guys do
on your's.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I get it, I really I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And it's a common theme because I interview creative people
for this podcast about mental health.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's a common theme. You're in something for a long time,
you're really.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Good at it, you get the success, you achieve it,
and then it's a question of well do I can
I keep going higher? Well what if they don't want
you to go higher? What if they're telling you this
is as high as you get to go now?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Then what?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And then it's the realization, well, maybe I don't even
love it? Why am I chasing this thing that I
don't love. It's a very in your head kind of
experience that I fay.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You know, you can relate.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
To you said something interesting like higher, higher, higher, like
that's how we operated for so long. But it's like
you have to acknowledge how high you are before you
can make that decision, Like you have to acknowledge like
no one, no one is more successful than me. I mean,
I've I've beat a drug addiction and I'm still I'm
now hirable. I've I've I've burned bridges and rebuilt them.
(38:25):
I'm married to my best friend. I have two happy
sons that look up to me and will say that
I'm their hero. I have dogs and strollers I get
to push around town. I'm respected, I have I have
guys I helped through so brit Like, I have men
that look up to me and call me when they
need help. Like what like I'm gonna go play top
(38:45):
I'm gonna go play an assistant da Right, but I
get to be next to Jimmy Smith's.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It's like, Okay, that's such a good framing of it. Okay, well,
I I appreciate you for going into that.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
The lesson being in a nutshell. Yeah, you can't level
up until you appreciate the level you're on. That's another friction.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's great, that's really good.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Do you ever look back and think I've talked about
this with someone else on the podcast, Like there were
things I could do better before I started all of this,
before I had like a breakdown, like I could multitask better.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I could.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I was quicker thinking I'm not anymore. Do you ever
look back and lament maybe some of the things you've lost,
or do you feel like, no, it's okay, I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, I've never been that guy. And sometimes it's just
the way your hard drive is installed. Like there's no
big trick that I pulled off or figured out this
wisdom from the universe. I've just been to like go
with the fly. Hey, everything's okay. I wake up grateful
and I know I'm lucky that I wake up happy
and not with doom, Like what's the point a lot
of most people, I think wake up or at least
(39:56):
half right. Yeah, but everything led me to hear and
having a great time here now. And I was going
to tie this to what the thing was. No, I don't,
I know, I don't have any like regrets. Is that
what you're asking me? No, Like, I'm here, but I
(40:16):
have a disease of self, And it wasn't that'd be
like lamenting. When I had bronchitis, I kept coughing mm hmm,
Like that's how I acted because I didn't have my
I didn't have my I didn't have my treatment yet.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, right right.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I'll tell guys that all the time. I have like shame,
and I'm like, bro, if you had bronchitis, you wouldn't
be sitting around eight years later, Like I can't believe
I coughed for six days, But that's a symptom of
that disease, and how I behaved is just a symptom
of this disease. So you can lament, you can wish
all you want for a different past, It's not going
(40:54):
to happen.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Right, Okay, great, I really enjoyed that. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
We're going to do a lightning round before we leave
this podcast with j Moore.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I'm having a blast. This is a good podcast.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Really.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Oh I love you, know, thank you for saying because your.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Sign is eclipsed by your frame, so it just says nere.
So I'm just imagining everybody with smooth legs in yours.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Where you get whack.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I enjoy this podcast too. For these kinds of exchanges.
I learn a lot from people who want to talk
openly about mental health.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
People learn when I want to talk.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Openly about mental health and we do it with some
humor and getting to need you a little bit more so,
thank you. If this podcast is good, You're you're the
reason why. Okay, lightning round. Who's the best SNL cast
member you ever worked with?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Chris Farley? Yeah, exactly, see exactly. Response says it all.
He's the best cast.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Member of all time, the best, the goat.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
If they asked you today, would you go back on
SNL as a full time cast member?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
In one second yes.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yes, yes, and one second yes because I love this cast.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I love that they seem like they're having fun as
they go. I've met when I went back to SNL fifty,
I just liked how they were. They weren't like clicky
and shitty. They were like, hey, like everybody was really happy,
and I like how they're writing. I like, I just
love these guys. I watch it every week with like
my wife and I watch it every week and then
(42:48):
we watch it again, like got each other's phones, like
remember this part.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh my god, you should go back.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Can't You can't invite yourself to the party.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh well they should because you'd be great. You'd be
so great. It is a great cast, but you'd be great.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Would I know.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
You'd want to, but you wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It sounds amazing, but like I'm fifty four and like
I got a good life. I don't want to go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It's a hard schedule.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
My hobbies are watching TV and taking nap, So you
don't understand how good I don't golf.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I love that, it's the best.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I watch old Westerns. I watched in the other room
watching House Hunters because women love how that's your crack.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well, my crack is Bravo. But I were very similar,
very similar.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
You're looking at the only guy to guess host watch
What Happens Live?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I love it all right, Tom Cruise or Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Tom Cruise, no matter what the question is.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Agreed, and we love Kevin Bacon, but Tom Cruise is
always the answer.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Cruise, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's Tom Cruise or nothing, Tom Cruise. Okay, Nascar, football
or basketball?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I know you like all of those.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Basketball.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
How'd you get into Nascar? I've always wanted to ask
you this.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
My dad raced cars when I was a kid, race
Spec racer, not NASCAR. He raced like spec racers, And
there was always a car in the driveway on a
trailer and we'd go to Bridgehampton, Watkins Glen. I remember
like as a kid, we didn't have a lot of
like son like Walton's moments. But he'd be like, you
want to walk the track with me? And I was like,
oh yeah and stuff. Yeah. So it was like my
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dad's my favorite number is thirty seven because that was
the number on his spot on his race car.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Watkins Glenn is a really fun track. That's fun.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I covered NASCAR and I won't mention who, but a driver,
a very prominent driver at the time, asked me out,
not just out, but like to be his guest at
the Sprint Cup Awards banquet at the Waldorf was I
hosting And I.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Passed for all the reasons but declined.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
But I was really bummed because I was like, oh,
but but Jay Moore's hosting.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
This would be So if I guess who it is,
will you admit it?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
How many guesses?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
One?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
If you guess it in one, I'll admit it.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
You have a terrible poker face. It was Tony Stewart.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
How'd you know that?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Really, how did you guess that?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Because you're all he talks about? Uh, Because some guys
are like Southern boys. They got their like wives that
look like senators wives, and there's very few guys that
are single guys out there slinging.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Oh my god, Well, no one knows that story. So
that's the first.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
His nickname is Smoke.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Oh I'm aware, awhere, I'm on Smoke. I was a
big Tony fan. I just didn't want to be one
of his.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, maybe he would have let you wear the
fire suit and you throw an arm bar on him.
There you go. I like, how I picture you getting
like pocket aces because you're like, all right, I'm gonna
be real. He's not gonna read you.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Try. Well, you guessed it. Amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
It's on the Reddit. You can read it. You and Tony.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Oh it's not. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. Okay, Okay.
Who's the greatest joke writer of all time?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
George Carlin? Because he wrote social commentary. You can teach
like religion, theology, ethics, poetry, civics. You could teach all
that just by doing George Carlin bits in college, Like
you could have a college course and teach everything just
by playing George Carlin clips and his economy of words.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yes, yeah, he was great. Best vacation you ever took.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
When I was a kid. My grandfather lived in Bayville,
New Jersey. He had a boat and it was paradise.
And I was alone a lot because my sisters were
older than me, so it'd be like me. And his
name was Red, and he had a boat named Big Red.
So you just go out and Barnegut Bay and fish
together and go crabbing. And I had my own rowboat,
and I would row out to Barnegut Bay and go
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crabbing by myself, and I'd bring home like bushels of
crabs and feed my entire family at like eleven years old.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
There's no better memory than that.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Album you'd listen to over and over again if it
was the only one you had.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Miles Davis kind of Blue, but you two Octungue Baby
is distant second.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Okay, okay, okay, this is the last question. It's the
most important to us. We ask it every time. When
is iced coffee season?
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Wow, I'm a hot coffee guy, so only because I
drink ice coffee too fast and it makes me why
I drink it. I peek constantly when I drink ice coffee.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Because you can drink it fast.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, I think ice coffee season is uh July first
to July second.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
One day a year.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
You got twenty four hour window, but you have to
you can't sleep, you just have to drink twenty four hours.
It's like the ice Bucket Challenge, but with ice coffee.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Okay, yeah, the correct answer, of course is year round, but.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Rules rus are here.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's it's either year round or if you're not going there,
it's I better I better see some sticky people showing
up to work because they pour an ice coffee over
their heads. Okay, you're a big ice coffee fan.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, I grew up in Massachusetts Dunk and donut. It's
like it was a part of my religion growing up,
and so yeah, ice coffee my sticks. Yeah, yeah, it's
a big part of my life.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I just never remember what my order is when I
want an ice coffee because I don't want just ice coffee.
But like friends will come over and I'll have a
sip and I'm like, oh my god, this is the
nectar of the Lord, right, Like what is this? And
they're like, and I've had no Seriously, I've had them
like text me the order. I've written it down in
my notes on my phone and just yeah, just gonna coffee.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Mine's not complicated. I want a large duncan iced with milk.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
And to Stevia.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
That's it, nice, delicious, Jaymore, thank you so much for
coming to Off the Cup. This was an excellent, excellent conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I appreciated it.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Whenever you need me, this is very fun.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
My wife can surrender her computer and you get on it.
So don't run your empire right now. I got you know.
I'm talking to my friends. I don't even know how
to close out this cab.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
We'll handle it next week.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
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I have said things to my children, and I write
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Speaker 5 (50:00):
I mean, people erroneously just assume I'm a great dad
because they hear these loving songs.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
They're like, you love kids.
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He looks like Ronda Rousey.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh do I like that? She's pretty?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
She's very pretty. You're a very pretty woman.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I like that she's Yeah, Okay, I'll take it. We
don't need to explore.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
That, moll take it. I wouldn't have said it if
it wasn't complimentary.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We have to put this in because my anxiety is like,
is that good? Is that bad? What does he mean?
What does he mean?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome to Off the Cup my personal anti anxiety antidote.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I am so excited for today's guest.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm I'm a huge fan of his work, his stand up,
his sketch comedy, his films. You may know him from
Saturday Night Live or Jerry Maguire, Gary Unmarried or one
of his stand up specials. He's host of the More
Stories podcast. It's Jay Moore.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Welcome to Off the Cup. Yes, yes, yes, you've arrived.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I have arrived. I made the big time home on
the se Cup podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Riverside style ridiculous, ridiculous, But I appreciate you coming.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'm glad to be invited places these days. It's nice,
happy to be here. I just I'm obsessing over my hair.
I'm like Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Bernie, it looks good. It looks good. It looks good.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
From Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You look great, you look great.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, we won't discuss what you said I looked like
at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You look like ro Rousey mm.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hmm and thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I unraveled a bit a bit. But I'm gonna just
take I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take the compliment.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Take it. She's a beautiful, strong, powerful woman.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, she's a champion.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, okay, good, you look like a champion.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Better, Okay, you look like an a specialist. You look
like you punch other ladies in the face.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Living.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You look like you get out of scale in front
of people.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
You look like you try to make weight every week,
don't we all and scene?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Okay, all right, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You've done so much.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But before we get into everything, you you seem to
be really enjoying your podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah and yeah, And I can.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Imagine it's a very different muscle than stand up for acting.
And I like doing a podcast because coming from live TV,
breaking news, five seconds sound bites, it's like low pressure
and I can relax into it. How do you feel
about podcasting.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It's an interesting question because I feel the exact opposite
of you. I feel way more pressure podcasting than stand
up stop stand up. I control all the variable. I
know what I'm gonna say, and if you talk while
I'm talking, you get thrown out. So it's like, look
at me on my terms for this allotted amount of
time where I'm in complete control, and I know before
(03:14):
you know how great this is gonna be, even if
it's just second by second. Yeah, podcasting, from the moment
I say welcome to the More Stories podcast, I have
terror that I'm going to run out of things to ask.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
That's amazing, and which means I'm not really listening most
of the time, because I said, going what.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
What, don't forget? Don't forget? Ask him about when he
went to college. He went to Emerson, and so and
so went to Emerson.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I get that, I get that, But that's wild.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So your stand up, my version of your stand up
is my column where I have as much time as
I want. I'm writing it exactly the way I want.
No one's watching me as I do it. It's completely controlled.
That feels the best to me. But podcasting, because I
have an hour instead of like the cable news you know,
(04:04):
break system schedule is much more relaxing because I don't
have to fit it all in on live TV in
like three seconds. But for you, the process of interviewing
someone comes with.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Terror anxiety, and I'm good at.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It and you are, though.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I like going from like really silly to really deep
to back to silly and disarming people with nonsense. But
then I learned this, So I did the podcast for
eight years. Then I went to rehab, which will put
let me tell you something, if going to rehab will
really put a crimp in your podcasting schedule also, well,
(04:47):
because you're you're kind of in communicado for thirty days there. Yeah,
So then I put the podcast away. Then I just
focused on recovery for like three years, and I was
going back out on the road doing stand up. But
the question that was constant no matter what city I
was in, day, night, afternoon, when you bring in the
podcast back, When you bring in the podcast back when
(05:08):
socially it was like all right, all right, And then
I brought it back and now it's like there's video.
I feel like, you know, a senior citizen who's been
woking up from a sleep from like the thirties until
I'm like, well, thiss video, I gotta I gotta wear pants.
And then so it was like a new way to
do it. I had to eat, I had to get
back into it. But I learned if I prepare like
(05:29):
a lunatic and I have my notes, that's good. But
if I'm married to my notes, I'm not really listening
because I'm thinking about to ask next. So I do
the notes, I prepare, it's all in my subconscious and
then to just sit and just listen, a better conversation happens.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's the way to do it. That's exactly the way
to do it. You going in totally unprepared. Sometimes I
hear these podcasters like I just sit down and we
go and it shows.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It shows, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think you need to be prepared and you need
to know your subject, but you also need to be
present in the moment and waiting for that give and
take and those interesting areas that can go off page.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I see. It's a lot like stand up in this regard.
Like I just did a spot at the Improv Saturday.
I had all new jokes, Like I had an index
card with all new jokes and then like twelve minutes in,
I'm like, wait, that's all of it. Now what Like
now what?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So what did you do?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm very transparent. I'm like, well, that's all the new
jokes I have. I don't know what to tell you guys.
And then I was like, wow, if I was ever
in an accident and my wallet like my leg I
got it, you know, my legs were amputated and my
wallet went across the street or something, and the only
way they can identify me is by this note card.
It's like Trump, white teenagers on electric lights, Jewish Jewish
(06:48):
karate dog pup Hams will be like, well we found Kanye.
Like it's absurd.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So let's talk about Let's talk about this point of
your career. You're fifty four, and I'm always really interested
in people's career arcs and getting to this age, whatever
age you are.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm forty six.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The things I thought were gonna bother me as I
aged are not the things that are bothering me. The
physical aging stuff isn't fun. Well, the physical stuff isn't fun.
I can manage the physical stuff, and it's almost liberating
the stuff caring about trying to be like an object
of desire, So, like, you know, the physical stuff is
what I thought would bother me.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
The things that bother me are more existential, Like where
am I in my career? And where else can I go?
Am I on the decline in my career? Is this
a plateau? Have I yet to peak? Where am I
meant to be at this point in my life? That's
the stuff that is kind of fucking with.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
My head a lot? Right now? What about you? Like,
where are you at this age?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I don't know. We could courage. On the note card
it said karate dog.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Shit hands even better, even better.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's interesting because again it's like an opposite because I
was always chasing, chasing, chasing, what's next? What's next? Like
that guy's a podcast. I want a podcast. He wrote
a book. I'm gonna write a book. Well he got
that role. Why don't I have that role? Then I
got sober, and the whole, the whole daily mission of
recovery is surrendering your ego. From the moment I wake up,
(08:32):
I have to hit my knees and just get just
you take it. My way doesn't work. And what happened
over three years now, in my fourth year of recovery.
It's I don't have any desire to chase, and my
idea of success so completely changed that that that chase
is completely completely, not completely, it's the majority of it
(08:56):
is gone. And so my definition of success has been
turned on his head, and it's now like, hey, yeah,
I got this movie role for you. You'd be the lead.
It shoots in Ireland. Like, I'm not going to Ireland, right,
I gotta go for a month be away from my
kids and my wife and my dogs. Yes, I've push
dogs in a stroller around the neighborhood, like I'm that guy. Yes, yes,
(09:18):
which makes me a very difficult client. I think they
represent because it's like we're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Over we're not chasing it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like I just kind of i'd say
I don't care, but I do care. But the only
reason I do care is that ego again. So yeah.
So now it's the things that used to bother me,
was they have that, Why don't I have that?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And the awareness at fifty four years old that I
have everything I could possibly need, which in the elimination
of the wants. So now it's just my idea of
success is just more of this, which is just kind
of it's almost like being retired. I guess this is
what people are when they're retired. Yeah, they just work
when they want to.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean you have the luxury to say no to thing,
which is wonderful, and you know, as you get more
successful in your career, you get more of those opportunities
to say no.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And really, I think everybody has that luxury to say
no to things. I think it's getting into the consciousness
of realizing nothing really is going to matter.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's okay in terms of your career, like this one
job is not going to ultimately make the difference. If
I have to miss my kids for a month, it
is not worth it, right, Yeah, Yeah, well I feel
that too for sure. I just think and maybe part
of it is being a woman in this career where
you hit your forties and people start treating you a
(10:36):
little differently, right, like you're not as interesting, you're not
as smart, you're not as relevant. And I haven't changed,
and in fact, I feel like I'm just getting good.
But it's weird, especially being a public person where people
are judging what you're doing as well. Do you ever
get caught up thinking what are other people thinking of
me and what I'm doing or any of that?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Well, yeah, I mean that's kind of what drives all
of us every day, like what's everybody thinking of me?
That's why you want to do something great, because you
want people to think it's great. But as far as like,
I don't read comments on YouTube or like I've oh good, Yeah,
I just I can't because the one comment negative, that's
the one I want to respond to totally. People like
I love your podcast, I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. And
(11:21):
then one guy goes, why are you always interrupting? I'm like,
what do you mean I'm.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Interrupting, which means and now you have a complex, Yeah,
which means I got work to do spiritually, I suppose, right,
but I do.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Guys. Right, Well, I was speaking at a prison once
this year, Yes, and I I finished my share with
like and now I don't care how people feel about me.
And then they go okay, question and answer time, and
one of these inmates stands up, like a lot of
these guys aren't coming home. So this guy stands up
and goes, yeah, I'm so and so, and you know
you said you don't care what people how people feel
(11:55):
about you, but your entire career is based on how
other people feel about you. So how do you manage that?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
What an existential question?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I said, you know what, I lied, I completely
care about how people feel about me. And then I
got the entire prison on my side. Yeah, when you
speak into prison, it's just tell the truth. I've been
bullshitting in my whole life.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, bring me want that.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I speak and everything I share. And then when I
said that, I felt that metaphysical, like they all came
to my side. But I care about how people feel
about me. I don't people that say, like, what people
say behind your back is none of your business. It's like, really,
when they're talking about me, so it's kind of all
my business. Yeah, and then you go to smirch my
fine name elsewhere they must be punished punitively.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, let's go back. What kind of kid were you?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Were?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You ambitious as a kid?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You guess what kind of kid I was? Is this really?
Nobody's ever asked me that, just like no one's ever
asked me where did you go to college? It's just
kind of implied that I didn't go to college. And
I was a batshit crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Hyper kid you were HYPERTI.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
More more mark. My first addiction was your approval. If
you don't like me, I'm not sure how to act.
So whatever you like, I'll fill that cup and I'll
love what you love and lose money.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Is that why you became funny?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I think I was. I don't know. That's like the
big question. I don't think you can become funny. I
just think you're wired with this deficit, this hole right
here that needs to be filled with attention and affection
and approval. But also you got to be wired to
have that quick yeah, yep. That. There's no way to
teach it or learn it or convey it. It's just
(13:40):
things just pop into your head and you just say
it and it's perfect. Sometimes sometimes it's inappropriate. But as
you get older, the inappropriate column goes down and the
good column goes up. You know, Yeah, I was insatiable.
Would be the best best way I would describe me
as a kid.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Tell me about life at Verona High School.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Hell yeah, shadow Verona High School yearbook.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I'm holding up his yearbook page.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Jim John, Vinnie and Troup Never forget Shore Concerts. Eddie
Murphy Van Halen, The Bengals kind of drops off at
the end there.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh, I can read it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You said it drops off. I go for Eddie Murphy
van Halen, the Bengals like kind of drops off.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
At oh at the peer nice bumper sticker, Dan Rascals,
something different, Mickey who working at the tuck pool hopping
with piss. Dad's All nighter, three man frat Rutgers homecoming, Mike,
I think she's possessed. What a long and strange trip
it's been. The Grateful Dead. Does that bring back memories
(14:39):
a lot?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, all of them. May Rascals was the first place
I did stand up comedy in West Orange, New Jersey.
So I was a junior in high school and my
friend James Barone drove me there. It was a noon
show on a Sunday for other teenage open mic comedians.
So you can imagine how re if that audience was
(15:01):
with their parents. But uh sure, self explanatory. Jersey Shore,
Rutgers Homecoming. My sister Julie went to Rutgers and I
got to party like a like a big shot and
uh yeah, concert sure. Trying to think what else it said.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Dad's all nighter.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, my dad's fiftieth birthday party was a ridiculous, like blowout,
like Suburbia got turned on his head. We pulled together
that I worked at the Friar Tuck and that's the tuck, okay,
And so we had his party there and then we
all went back to my house and like my dad
and my uncle wrestled on my front lawn. My dad's like,
(15:37):
you understand, My dad's like, George will okay, so like
come in like with grass stains on his face and sweating.
It was. It was nuts. And we pool. I lived
two blocks from the one block from the community pool
in Verona, New Jersey, and so we uh, we decided
to pool hop by climbing the massive fence. Uh. And
(16:00):
we all forgot shoes, which is very important. If you're
going to climb a chain link fence, you might want shoes. Yeah.
So we bled into the pool at night and came back.
My dad hey man, hey man. So my dad and
my uncle we came home to see my dad and
my uncle wrestling in the front yard. It was it
was on Oh. I had a French exchange student and
(16:20):
my cousin Ted, who's a real nerd, and my French
exchange student. It was a real nerd. They partied by
challenging each other. They couldn't speak each other's language, so
they were challenging each other with math problems at their table.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I was like, he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
These guys need to get laid.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You need to write. You need to write a script
around this night.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Dad's all night. Well, that never crossed my mind.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Sounds like a lot of funny things like this sounds
like the party in Pretty and Pink were just our
sixteen candles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, sixteen candles were just like.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Everything's going on and this friend group is over in
this disaster and this one's over on the lawn, and
sounds like an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I want to write a script about the like basically
when I'm going like the comedian that goes away for
four years and then when he comes back out, like
how the business has completely changed and passed me by,
Like every audition is a self tape, and like I'm
standing in my rec room next to a ping pong
table pretending I'm a lawyer, or like like this, like
I had to download some chrome thing Fox Firefox, I
(17:24):
gotta get on my wife's computer. My wife's name's on
the square, and I can change the name out.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I see, I see you changed in.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's like, I don't even It's like, what do they
them the pronoun thing that happened while I was gone,
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's a good premise. I like that. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And you're gonna play Ronda Ralsey when she was on
the More Stories podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
You've talked a lot about SNL, so I want to
kind of jump over, if you don't mind, I'm happy
to talk about SNL. But two male archetypes maybe for me. Anyways,
sum up the late nineties and you play them both
back to back. Your roles in nineteen ninety six Jerry Maguire,
where you play Bob Sugar, the slick, sleazy LA sports
(18:23):
agent who would sell his mother for a first round
draft pack, and then nineteen ninety seven's Picture Perfect, where
you play Nick, the shy, non threatening beta male that
only gets the girl in the movies. These two characters
were very different.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You play them both so believably. Which one do you
feel closer to?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I've filmed that. I filmed them at the same time too.
If you're one weird wow Still Yeah, So I was
going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Very different energies these two men.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think I'm I think the first half of my
life was eighty percent Bob Sugar twenty percent Nick. And
I think that's flip flopped. Eighty twenty Nick and twenty
percent Bob Sugar.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah. Like, yeah, Look, we.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Went to the homeowners association meeting last week and the
lady that does the parking commitment because I can't do
it anymore. I've been called every bad name in the book.
My neighbors don't want to talk to me anymore. And
I put my hand off and I said, you had
me at neighbors not talking to me anymore. You're looking
(19:30):
at se Cup the new parking guy. Nice ever come
to LA and you have to work behind these buildings.
You will have a pass in your window or on
the star stickers on your windows. Yeah. So that's a
little Bob Sugary. Like I've reveled at the idea of
neighbors being mad at me. My hand shut up, like, oh,
(19:50):
I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's great, right, right, it's not your friends, it's your business.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's not ho it's not Yeah, I got.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It, Yeah, it's it's HOJ.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I was looking for something of course you figured it out.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
We both played two people trampled running for the same punchline.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yes, of course you got there.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I did not. We all we both ran into one
doorway and got stuck with the march.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yes, but what was it like playing you're the romantic
lead opposite Jennifer Aniston, you know, at the height of
at least her popularity. Was that What were you thinking
in that moment and then concurrently in this Cameron Crowe
film that's going to become a giant, a giant piece
(20:37):
of cinema history.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I was, you know, I'd love to play that part
now where I have some romantic lead experience in me
like I was a twenty five year old Nudnick, I
didn't know anything. It's like, so, I guess it was
better acting than I thought, you know where It's like
I've been a dick for years, so Bob Sugar came
pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Well then, Nick, I mean, you were so believe. I
think if someone hadn't seen some of your other character work,
they'd think, oh, this is this is just what Jay
Moore is like, He's this like quiet, unassuming.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well that's the problem is McGuire was seen by fifteen
times more people. So people a jerk when they meet me.
That's how I am. Yeah, it was very intimidating to
do that because nothing, I didn't have any credits. I
didn't I was a club comic. Jerry McGuire wasn't out yet.
I wasn't necessarily Jennifer Anderson's first, second, third, fourth, or
(21:31):
fifth choice for that role. The director really went to
bat for me, Glen Gordon Karen who really created Moonlighting.
So he was like, that's what I see. I see
Bruce Willis and Sybil Shepherd, That's what I see when
I see you too, and like she was dating Tate
Donovan at the time, was a great actor. And Peter
Berg's my screen test. I remember we were all waiting
there was like John Stewart, Billy Baldwin would have been
(21:53):
my choice. That guy's hot, Tate Donovan, Peter Berg, j Moore,
like one of these guys is like the oh, yeah,
that's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
So did you know all that going in that you
weren't first her first choice.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
No, to find that later, me and Iliana Douglas were
standing at Silver Cup Studios waiting to rehearse, and Jennifer
walked in and she made her way across the sound stage,
and I remember she had high heels and it was
an empty sound stage.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
She was like click click click click click click. She
goes five guys a screen test. She says to Aliana Douglas,
the one guy I don't want, that's who gets the part.
Click click click click, And Iliana Douglas patted me on
the back and said, you're gonna have a great summer.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Holy shit in front of you?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Was I mean? Did she mean it to be as
rude as you're making it sound.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, I'm just saying it as data, so you interpreted. God,
I know, she's an incredibly talented, beautiful, successful woman. She
probably knew exactly what she wanted. She probably had a
vision for that, and I just wasn't a part of
the vision. And that's what you call the head of
the parking committee guy being diplomatic.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yes, well, how did you continue on that set knowing.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We're gonna talk politics right now? Or what the hell's
going on here?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You don't talk politics? Here? We don't talk politics. Do
you want to talk politics?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Why is it a no spin zone?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You don't think I can whip up a situation room.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I just want to I just want to. You're laughing
at your jokes right now?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, because I know they're stupid, you know, hold on,
you'll know, and that I think they're really dumb when
I go like this.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, perfect, I'm happy to talk. Do you want to
talk politics?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Why why legitimize those morons? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
We try not to here because it's depressing. And this
is like a break.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I say this. I do have a new joke about
when Trump won. The second time I put on the
news that I was watching and the news anchors were
like visibly shaken and they were saying, like it's a
and you know what channels I'm talking about. It was
like it's a dark day, you know. And I remember
just laying in my bed, thinking, you're supposed to report
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the news to me. And I realized in that moment,
I am in an algorithm and I'm being fed the
same thing all the time. And then as I went
about my day, people were like visibly in la people
were like visibly distraught, like everything's going to end. Everything,
We're all on fire, We're all gonna die, like in
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t minus eight minutes, right, And I realized my phone,
my algorithm on my phone, my algorithm on my television,
the people I would have any conversation with. I realized
I was in like a very narrow algorithm. But the
new was anchors not having any objectivity like kind of
shook me awake. And I'm not I'm a proud Independent.
(25:06):
And when people go like, I can't believe you won,
I was like, you can't. Have you been outside, right?
Have you seen take your parents to the beach and
walk around a homeless guy taking a dump on a
wall and walk past. I got to walk my son
past win of bagos that have been there for eight
years when I walk up to school. So I didn't
vote for him, but I understand why you won.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean you completely summed up, you know, the
sort of existential crisis that's happening both in the Democratic
Party but also in the media over you know, how
did we miss this? And I covered the last election
in the swing States talking to voters, so I was
very unsurprised at what happened because I listened to voters
tell me all day, crime, immigration, and the economy.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We don't we don't like our lives right now. That's it.
That's it. Folks, you can yell at me about democracy.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I don't want to get canceled, so I'll talk around it.
But there's a various Pacific talking point that you didn't
mention that it's all the Democrats ever talk about.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
No, I know you can. I mean there's lots of them.
But listen, abortion, democracy, DEI, diversity. I mean, there's a
lot of things that Democrats focused on that were probably
good for their base, but they really ignored the rest
of the country. And they're really they're reconciling with that
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now or they're not. We'll see, we'll see how what
they learn about themselves.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, it's amazing to look at a two party system
and the fact just being like, oh my god, both
these parties are the worst people. I would never hang
out with any of these people.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, a lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
A lot of people are in the middle, in the majority,
and they feel, well, there's a lot of talk right
now around a third party.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Was that his name and facing the crowd, Dusty Rose?
Was there a movie? Du'st the wrong Let's just get
like an old country singer drunk.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Come, that's the solution, Jack to your show.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
But let's get back to the show. But at this point,
let me tell you something. I hope the way people
get so upset with every higher, every move, I'm just
enjoying the show, like George carl and I sit back
and I enjoy the show. And at the point, I
hope Trump starts nominating fictional characters. We all love a
(27:30):
Wookie Chewbacca. He knows the interior. He made the shadow
run in six concepts exactly. Let's bring him out new
Head of Doors. He's a Wookie. Nobody Cutch costs like
a Wookie. They're very cheap in the I've never known
anybody to do or according with their hands when they talk.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Ever, it's amazic. It's amazic.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, I don't mind that diversion, that's fine, but it
comes back very naturally to mental health.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I struggle with mental health.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I struggled with anxiety and had a nervous breakdown a
few years ago, and a lot of that is childhood stuff,
but it's also what I do for a living, and
covering bad news constantly and imagining that bad news is
around every corner.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That's why I stopped watching MSNBC at night, because right
before bed they told me the world was ending every night.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, that's how it feels on cable news.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's like, what are we doing well?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
And it's the same on the right.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And by the way, you're talking breakdown equal breakthrough, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, I mean, And that's what I want to ask
you because I had this breakdown and it was the
first time I really got mental health help as an
adult because I had to there was no other option,
and I began working on it therapy, medication, life changes,
blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But wondering.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
There are people who look back at their moment of
getting sober or getting mental health help and they think, oh,
I wish I never had to go through all of
that awfulness to get to where I am now on
the other side. And then there are other people who
think I could only get here by going through all
the things I went through. Where are you in your
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journey of sobriety and mental health?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
A gem cannot be polished without friction. You couldn't be
this strong woman without that. And like every person I
love that I look up to, like Richard Rohor, Reverend
TD Jake's personal like a sponsor. It's all there's two
halves of life and when you try to work the
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first half. In the second half, that's where there's chaos
in the middle. So like being a stand up comedian
and having that great white single mindedness of purpose, and
it's all I think about. That served me super well
for a very long time, Like, hey man, sorry, if
you're upset, I got to go on stage, don't know.
But then you get older and you have children and
you have a partner and it completely doesn't serve you,
(30:09):
and there's chaos and you either change exactly right and
go out the other end or you live in chaos
and misery. So with me, with recovery, that was I mean,
that was the greatest thing. Being a drug addict is
the best thing that ever happened to me. And I
have children like over my like nothing has transformed me
(30:30):
more than going through what I went through, working twelve
steps in a program pen to paper, seeing the exact
nature of my wrongs and seeing that I am the
cause of all my issues. Today, I am the reason
for all of my problems because that means I always
have a solution. And you talk about like breakdowns. This week,
(30:52):
see I canceled all the rest of my dates for
the rest of the year stand up wise, because I
started again out of nowhere, having panic attacks on planes
on the way to my shows. So this was like
a maybe, like a Monday morning conversation with my agent,
and it boils down to I don't love it anymore
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and I'm stuck on this hamster wheel, like I feel
like I just have to do it, and I can't
get off of it because my agent's going to think
I'm high again because he's my agent my whole life.
And when I did, I mean writing, praying, meditating, writing, praying, meditating,
outside help, therapist, breath work, meditation, all of it, and
it just kept coming down to I just don't want
(31:33):
to do it, and I haven't wanted to do it
for a couple of years. I like to stand up.
I don't like flying to bars that are half full
because it's a TikTok and a YouTuber world now and
I've become like dinosaur, so my egos getting banged up
everywhere I go. And when I called my agent and
told him I can't do it. I need to take
these dates off the books, and he told me that's
totally okay, take care of yourself, I exploded and I
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started crying.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Yeah, And in real time I was like, holy, holy shit,
Like if this relief I'm expressing, I was carrying that
on top of that, and there was a thing on
top of the thing, on top of the thing. And
then I had some guilt at thinks that he's going
to think I'm high again, and then the relief of
not having to do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And then two nights later, I go on stage at
the improv with all new jokes and have like the
greatest time. I'm invigorated, I feel inspired, like I've never
felt that good on stage in years. So it's like,
I don't think we're there's like breakdowns, and then after
the big breakdown, I think you have breakthroughs.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, yeah, I've never thought about it in those terms.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yea, we're gonn take commercial break. We'll be right back
with what the fuck is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
No, I got it very very clearly, because you describe
I mean, it's very relevant, very relatable to me and
I'm sure a lot of people, but I've never heard
it described. There's two halves of life and when these halves,
when you come to that middle, is when they clash.
And that's one hundred percent would happen for me because
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all of my systems had been working to get me
where I got, you know, success, success, success, climbing, climbing, climbing,
and then I had a family, and then everything started
coming back at me and nothing I had always done
was working to feel good and feel okay, and suddenly
everything was scary and everything bad news around every corner,
(33:25):
and to keep myself safe, I would catastrophize on a loop.
If I can imagine the bad thing happening, it won't happen.
If I don't imagine it, it's definitely going to happen.
And so that was an exhausting way of living. But
thank god I got off that train, and I wouldn't
have known that I needed to get off that train.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What was the thing you came to believe that you
had to give up to have a steadier being.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, I'm wrestling with it now you just said it.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Maybe I don't like this anymore, know the news, politics.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And the creative people like you and me. What's more
terrifying than being stuck in something you don't like doing?
Like the reason we get into this business is I
do this over here. Then somebody asked me to do
that over there. The I'm going to write a book
over here, then I'm gonna do a podcast over there,
because we're like these wanderers.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
That's you just described my career as well. Yeah, books
and a radio show, and I'll do it all. Yeah,
because and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Like when I watch the TV show in the office,
I can't watch it because I get anxiety at the
idea of sitting in an office with the same eleven
people every day. Like I can't enjoy the show because
I get claustrophobic watching people in an office.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yes, it's stifling.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
No, And I've loved the fluidity of my career and
being able to try a lot of different things. But
I think the news and politics has become so awful.
I don't like it anymore. And the tough part is
when I try to go in different directions, it's all
people want me to do is talk politics. And so
then you you go in these circular arguments with yourself,
well like, Okay, this is what they want, this.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Is what I should give them.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
But doing that we do, which is why you're successful exactly.
But I'm trying to do what you're doing, which is
say you know, I don't want to do that. And
I'm being met similarly to you with by agents and
other people by saying you don't have to do it,
don't do it, And the relief is amazing. And ten
years ago I wouldn't have known I could say that,
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and I certainly wouldn't have tried.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I'm fifty four years old, and I burst out crying.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, sobbing.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Like say, you so much, right, but setting boundaries is
the only way, and advocating for yourself is the only
way you're going to create change in your own life.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
They're not going to create it for you.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
No one's going to come in and rescue and say,
you know what, it looks like you're not enjoying this anymore,
So why don't we give you something else to do
that doesn't happen?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
You've got to do it yourself, right. Yeah, it's hard, and.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
People like you and me who love what we do,
like so few people get to experience what you and
I have experienced, like going at a crazy young age,
Oh this is what I'm gonna do, Like oh yeah, no,
it's not a question like oh maybe I'll be a
this or that, Like no, I got it. I'm good.
And then that joy all the time because people will
say like, yeah, but you get to you get to
(36:13):
make people laugh every weekend. It's like, look, I've normalized
what is sensational a long time ago, like you being
on the news. Is you going to work at the
factory or you fixing a bike chain at the bike shop?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Totally the job yep, and to.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Other people, and you you run out of people you
can actually share this with because they just don't understand
what it's like to be on live TV with a
guy in your ear going gotta get out, gotta get out,
gotta go so.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
True, and you get more insular with your friends because
there's only so many people that can relate to you. Yeah, yeah,
I get it, and your world kind of closes in
and then you start to think, well, this is the
only world I have and this is my only identity.
Who am I without this? How can I change this?
That's what I mean by those moments.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
At my intervention, everybody told me like, well i'll move,
I won't let you in, And then when my agent
said I won't book you anymore, I was like, I'm
going to go. I'll go to rehab that's what's got me, like,
not like your kids are gone, your wife, your boy.
Just if I'm not doing stand up? What am I?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
What am I going to get a job right?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I don't know how to do it. My wife had
to hook up this stupid chrome thing you guys do
on your's.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I get it, I really I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And it's a common theme because I interview creative people
for this podcast about mental health.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's a common theme. You're in something for a long time,
you're really.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Good at it, you get the success, you achieve it,
and then it's a question of well do I can
I keep going higher? Well what if they don't want
you to go higher? What if they're telling you this
is as high as you get to go now?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Then what?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And then it's the realization, well, maybe I don't even
love it? Why am I chasing this thing that I
don't love. It's a very in your head kind of
experience that I fay.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You know, you can relate.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
To you said something interesting like higher, higher, higher, like
that's how we operated for so long. But it's like
you have to acknowledge how high you are before you
can make that decision, Like you have to acknowledge like
no one, no one is more successful than me. I mean,
I've I've beat a drug addiction and I'm still I'm
now hirable. I've I've I've burned bridges and rebuilt them.
(38:25):
I'm married to my best friend. I have two happy
sons that look up to me and will say that
I'm their hero. I have dogs and strollers I get
to push around town. I'm respected, I have I have
guys I helped through so brit Like, I have men
that look up to me and call me when they
need help. Like what like I'm gonna go play top
(38:45):
I'm gonna go play an assistant da Right, but I
get to be next to Jimmy Smith's.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It's like, Okay, that's such a good framing of it. Okay, well,
I I appreciate you for going into that.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
The lesson being in a nutshell. Yeah, you can't level
up until you appreciate the level you're on. That's another friction.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's great, that's really good.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Do you ever look back and think I've talked about
this with someone else on the podcast, Like there were
things I could do better before I started all of this,
before I had like a breakdown, like I could multitask better.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I could.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I was quicker thinking I'm not anymore. Do you ever
look back and lament maybe some of the things you've lost,
or do you feel like, no, it's okay, I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, I've never been that guy. And sometimes it's just
the way your hard drive is installed. Like there's no
big trick that I pulled off or figured out this
wisdom from the universe. I've just been to like go
with the fly. Hey, everything's okay. I wake up grateful
and I know I'm lucky that I wake up happy
and not with doom, Like what's the point a lot
of most people, I think wake up or at least
(39:56):
half right. Yeah, but everything led me to hear and
having a great time here now. And I was going
to tie this to what the thing was. No, I don't,
I know, I don't have any like regrets. Is that
what you're asking me? No, Like, I'm here, but I
(40:16):
have a disease of self, And it wasn't that'd be
like lamenting. When I had bronchitis, I kept coughing mm hmm,
Like that's how I acted because I didn't have my
I didn't have my I didn't have my treatment yet.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, right right.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I'll tell guys that all the time. I have like shame,
and I'm like, bro, if you had bronchitis, you wouldn't
be sitting around eight years later, Like I can't believe
I coughed for six days, But that's a symptom of
that disease, and how I behaved is just a symptom
of this disease. So you can lament, you can wish
all you want for a different past, It's not going
(40:54):
to happen.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Right, Okay, great, I really enjoyed that. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
We're going to do a lightning round before we leave
this podcast with j Moore.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I'm having a blast. This is a good podcast.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Really.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Oh I love you, know, thank you for saying because your.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Sign is eclipsed by your frame, so it just says nere.
So I'm just imagining everybody with smooth legs in yours.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Where you get whack.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I enjoy this podcast too. For these kinds of exchanges.
I learn a lot from people who want to talk
openly about mental health.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
People learn when I want to talk.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Openly about mental health and we do it with some
humor and getting to need you a little bit more so,
thank you. If this podcast is good, You're you're the
reason why. Okay, lightning round. Who's the best SNL cast
member you ever worked with?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Chris Farley? Yeah, exactly, see exactly. Response says it all.
He's the best cast.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Member of all time, the best, the goat.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
If they asked you today, would you go back on
SNL as a full time cast member?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
In one second yes.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yes, yes, and one second yes because I love this cast.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I love that they seem like they're having fun as
they go. I've met when I went back to SNL fifty,
I just liked how they were. They weren't like clicky
and shitty. They were like, hey, like everybody was really happy,
and I like how they're writing. I like, I just
love these guys. I watch it every week with like
my wife and I watch it every week and then
(42:48):
we watch it again, like got each other's phones, like
remember this part.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh my god, you should go back.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Can't You can't invite yourself to the party.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh well they should because you'd be great. You'd be
so great. It is a great cast, but you'd be great.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Would I know.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
You'd want to, but you wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It sounds amazing, but like I'm fifty four and like
I got a good life. I don't want to go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It's a hard schedule.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
My hobbies are watching TV and taking nap, So you
don't understand how good I don't golf.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I love that, it's the best.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I watch old Westerns. I watched in the other room
watching House Hunters because women love how that's your crack.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well, my crack is Bravo. But I were very similar,
very similar.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
You're looking at the only guy to guess host watch
What Happens Live?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I love it all right, Tom Cruise or Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Tom Cruise, no matter what the question is.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Agreed, and we love Kevin Bacon, but Tom Cruise is
always the answer.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Cruise, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's Tom Cruise or nothing, Tom Cruise. Okay, Nascar, football
or basketball?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I know you like all of those.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Basketball.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
How'd you get into Nascar? I've always wanted to ask
you this.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
My dad raced cars when I was a kid, race
Spec racer, not NASCAR. He raced like spec racers, And
there was always a car in the driveway on a
trailer and we'd go to Bridgehampton, Watkins Glen. I remember
like as a kid, we didn't have a lot of
like son like Walton's moments. But he'd be like, you
want to walk the track with me? And I was like,
oh yeah and stuff. Yeah. So it was like my
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dad's my favorite number is thirty seven because that was
the number on his spot on his race car.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Watkins Glenn is a really fun track. That's fun.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I covered NASCAR and I won't mention who, but a driver,
a very prominent driver at the time, asked me out,
not just out, but like to be his guest at
the Sprint Cup Awards banquet at the Waldorf was I
hosting And I.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Passed for all the reasons but declined.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
But I was really bummed because I was like, oh,
but but Jay Moore's hosting.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
This would be So if I guess who it is,
will you admit it?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
How many guesses?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
One?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
If you guess it in one, I'll admit it.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
You have a terrible poker face. It was Tony Stewart.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
How'd you know that?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Really, how did you guess that?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Because you're all he talks about? Uh, Because some guys
are like Southern boys. They got their like wives that
look like senators wives, and there's very few guys that
are single guys out there slinging.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Oh my god, Well, no one knows that story. So
that's the first.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
His nickname is Smoke.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Oh I'm aware, awhere, I'm on Smoke. I was a
big Tony fan. I just didn't want to be one
of his.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, maybe he would have let you wear the
fire suit and you throw an arm bar on him.
There you go. I like, how I picture you getting
like pocket aces because you're like, all right, I'm gonna
be real. He's not gonna read you.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Try. Well, you guessed it. Amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
It's on the Reddit. You can read it. You and Tony.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Oh it's not. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. Okay, Okay.
Who's the greatest joke writer of all time?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
George Carlin? Because he wrote social commentary. You can teach
like religion, theology, ethics, poetry, civics. You could teach all
that just by doing George Carlin bits in college, Like
you could have a college course and teach everything just
by playing George Carlin clips and his economy of words.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yes, yeah, he was great. Best vacation you ever took.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
When I was a kid. My grandfather lived in Bayville,
New Jersey. He had a boat and it was paradise.
And I was alone a lot because my sisters were
older than me, so it'd be like me. And his
name was Red, and he had a boat named Big Red.
So you just go out and Barnegut Bay and fish
together and go crabbing. And I had my own rowboat,
and I would row out to Barnegut Bay and go
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crabbing by myself, and I'd bring home like bushels of
crabs and feed my entire family at like eleven years old.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
There's no better memory than that.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Album you'd listen to over and over again if it
was the only one you had.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Miles Davis kind of Blue, but you two Octungue Baby
is distant second.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Okay, okay, okay, this is the last question. It's the
most important to us. We ask it every time. When
is iced coffee season?
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Wow, I'm a hot coffee guy, so only because I
drink ice coffee too fast and it makes me why
I drink it. I peek constantly when I drink ice coffee.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Because you can drink it fast.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, I think ice coffee season is uh July first
to July second.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
One day a year.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
You got twenty four hour window, but you have to
you can't sleep, you just have to drink twenty four hours.
It's like the ice Bucket Challenge, but with ice coffee.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Okay, yeah, the correct answer, of course is year round, but.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Rules rus are here.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's it's either year round or if you're not going there,
it's I better I better see some sticky people showing
up to work because they pour an ice coffee over
their heads. Okay, you're a big ice coffee fan.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, I grew up in Massachusetts Dunk and donut. It's
like it was a part of my religion growing up,
and so yeah, ice coffee my sticks. Yeah, yeah, it's
a big part of my life.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I just never remember what my order is when I
want an ice coffee because I don't want just ice coffee.
But like friends will come over and I'll have a
sip and I'm like, oh my god, this is the
nectar of the Lord, right, Like what is this? And
they're like, and I've had no Seriously, I've had them
like text me the order. I've written it down in
my notes on my phone and just yeah, just gonna coffee.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Mine's not complicated. I want a large duncan iced with milk.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
And to Stevia.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
That's it, nice, delicious, Jaymore, thank you so much for
coming to Off the Cup. This was an excellent, excellent conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I appreciated it.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Whenever you need me, this is very fun.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
My wife can surrender her computer and you get on it.
So don't run your empire right now. I got you know.
I'm talking to my friends. I don't even know how
to close out this cab.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
We'll handle it next week.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
On Off the Cup, I sit down with my good friend,
singer songwriter Steven Kellogg.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I have said things to my children, and I write
all these songs that you hear. A lot of my
songs are a bad out.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
I mean, people erroneously just assume I'm a great dad
because they hear these loving songs.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
They're like, you love kids.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
I'm like, no, I love my kids.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Most of those other kids are assholes.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
So don't don't.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Let's not put words in my best.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as
part of the Reason Choice Network.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
If you want more, check out the other Reason.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Choice podcasts, Politics with Jamel Hill and Native Land Pod.
For Off the Cup, I am your Host SI Cup.
Editing and sound design by Derek Clements. Our executive producers
are Me Si Cup, Lauren Hanson, and Lindsay Hoffman. Rate
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