March 24, 2025 • 43 mins
This episode of Talkin’ Coffee is a doozy. S.E. drops a coffee bomb you won’t believe. She also digs into the latest in cutting edge coffee machines, wild coffee trends, unpopular coffee opinions, and some thought-provoking questions inspired by, you guessed it, coffee. Is it too much coffee news or is it all the news that’s fit to sip? Listen and find out.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, off the cup fans. You've You're in the right place.
Don't worry. You've walked into the correct door. That door
is called Talking Coffee.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We are we it's me, it's my producers, Lauren and Derek.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, and we're gonna talk some coffee, some coffee news.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We're gonna do a taste test.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm really excited.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm already tasting.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
And we have we have our coffees here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, Lauren made our coffees.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm not I'm not tasting mine yet, but I want
to start with something painful. Oh my gosh, it's a confession.
And I'm being completely serious. I'm very ashamed to say
this out loud. And then we have to uncovered, like
we have to, we have to unpack why I'm so
(00:50):
ashamed of this. But I'm deeply, deeply ashamed to say
I've recently switched to decaf.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm there's a.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Lot to this.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, this didn't happen overnight. We get your therapist on
the phone. Seriously, coloran seriously. I you know, I drink
a lot of coffee, but I have a heart condition
and so caffeine is not great. And so I was
always limiting myself to like one giant ice coffee a day, okay,
(01:25):
and I would see it throughout the day, but like
any more than that and it would be counterproductive and
not feel great.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Recently, I'd start with my morning coffee and like halfway through,
I'd get so jittery and anxious, and then by the
time I was finished with it, I would crash and
get exhausted. Oh so, all the reasons I would start
my day with coffee were like.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're like a flipped on its head.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Now I'm instead of excited and ready for the day
and awake, I am anxious and asleep.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Dura ball, It's failing at its job.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It was totally the only thing it was doing was
tasting good, but everything else was like really working against me.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
This is so tragic, so tragic journey.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I lived in this secret pain for a while.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
How long has it been, well about six.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Months of that, And I really I attribute it to
like everything else that's going wrong in my life right now, perimenopause.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I just assume, like, Okay, this is my body reacting
to caffeine.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Now at the age I'm at suffered in silence as
we do, as we do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And then my mom was.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Visiting and she was like, why aren't you having coffee?
I told her all of this, and then she said
the thing that I can't believe.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I didn't think to say, why don't you try decaps?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's an entire category of coffee I had completely written off,
and so I did. I didn't tell anyone, but it did.
I started trying decaf, and oh my god, it was
like the sun came again. I can And the added
benefit is I can drink more coffee throughout the day
when I want to taste the ritual, the whole experience
(03:12):
out worrying about my poor little heart worrying you know
that it's making me anxious or tired.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's been so life saving. But this is what I
need you guys to tell me.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Like, I am still ashamed, and I don't know why
I associated decaf with like weakness.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You're like, yeah, well, I.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Mean it's the Massachusetts and you obviously is that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
What it is?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Because maybe it's because like growing up, the only people
I knew that ever drank decaf were like very old
people who wanted to go to bed shortly thereafter, and
so I just thought, okay, like I'm not thrown in.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The towel like they are.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm still I am not over my shame. I hope
to get there one day. I don't think you need to.
I'm coming out today as part of my sort of
like getting over question.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I mean, I'm thinking about like the I want to say,
like half a dozen or more, maybe a full dozen
of guests that I've been on the show who have
admitted to you that they had to cut out coffee
and then we.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Sounded yeah, they don't get the you got the question
right sound away, and then they pity him.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Meanwhile, you've been suffering in silence. Meanwhile, did you feel more.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Critic Did I feel like a hypocrite? Yeah? No, but
I was trying it out.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I didn't know if I would live in decaff world,
so I didn't want to come out prematurely.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But so we're here, But we're here.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's we're here, and I will have a cup of
caffeinated coffee when I don't have to worry that I'm
gonna like fall asleeper, like yeah, I just it's okay.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm on a long drive. Who cares when you're not driving?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Not driving on a long drive, My husband's driving and
I'm in the car and I'm just there.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
For the ride. And who cares if I get a
little drowsy.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's okay when a nap can play into the day. Yes,
I'll have it an ideal day really.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Or like I'm you know, gonna go out to like
a party or something. That's okay because I know I'll
get I'll keep the energy going and yeah it's fine.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, but day to day I am. I'm on the
decaf train.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
So what is the difference in like the experience? What
is how how does it compare?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Is no measurable difference? I can't There's no difference in taste.
The difference is I don't feel hard palpitations.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Which I lived with for a lonerful.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Benefit, right, And yeah, I don't get that crash right after.
I mean it was the point where like I'd finish
my morning coffee and need to lay down.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And I've heard that that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Happens to some people. I don't know why, but like
that hadn't happened to me for you know, thirty plus years, yeah,
forty years.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So yeah, it's a bummer, but.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'm I'm I'm making lemons lemonade out of lemons.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Right, because now I can have more coffee.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well it sounds like the only negative
side effect is that you feel weak, but it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Is not nothing big deal.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I'm also very curious how people scientists take caffeine out
of coffee, right?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Does that happen?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Right? And I have heard that there's still little caffeine
and decaf.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, which is kind of nice that less week.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm not allergic to it, but it's like, yeah, a little.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Last week, I was hoping we could do a call
out to our listeners because I would love to hear
if they also feel ashamed when they order decaf in
a restaurant or a coffee shop and like where that
comes from being public?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Abody?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, help me understand my shame, my personal shame.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And also if anyone else has had the same experience
with coffee at this age as a woman that I have,
you know that, like, I'm not alone that that's happened.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Email us at off the Cup at gmail dot com.
That's Off the Cup Cup with two p's, just like
the podcast at gmail dot com. And then next time
on Talking Coffee, we can share what the listeners have
told us.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I love that point.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well listen, thank you, thank you for for creating with us.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I'll never look at you the same, But.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Listen, I I'm glad I took this first step. Yeah,
and that you guys are here to walk.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Me through it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
I really don't think there's any shame in it, but
I but I weirdly understand you. There is something that
we grew up with that suggests decaf drinkers are week
as weak.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Can we rebrand it somehow? Like could we call it
something else? Like?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Maybe maybe the shame comes the fact that it's like
d it's like you're taking something out of it.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Maybe it's like well but heart healthy coffee, survival coffee,
still living.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Coffee, right right right?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Or is it like like chill coffee, like just need
to chill. I don't need to be amped, I just
need to chill. Yes, maybe it's chill coffee.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
This is making me excited because I often want a
another coffee later in the day but cannot possibly drink
caffeine after afternoon. So alist this is giving me something
to purchase called decafe.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I because my parents drink it. So I had
little cups.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's very life changing. I hope this coffee doesn't throw
you into a tizzy.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Or no, I'll be fine. I'll be completely fine. I'm
so excited.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So Lauren explained to us, because you mentioned, I think
on one of our first Tog coffees, you get a
subscription service.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I do tell us a lot of a subscription service.
It just arrives. It's a concentrate coffee. It's called JAT.
If they want to advertise with us, you know, we're
very open to that. But yeah, I'm I'm sure it
was advertised.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
To me on something.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
But you just they give you this adorable little measuring cup.
It's a tablespoon. You pour a tablespoon of the coffee concentrate,
which is a liquid, which is a liquid, yes, and
then you add it to eight ounces of liquid. So
the liquid to more liquid is that water or milk? Well,
that would be a lot of milk. It can be
(09:23):
if you want eight ounces of milk. But in your
eight ounces, if you want milk, you need to factor
that in because nothing.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Is worse than like a more water down concentrate.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
You can also they claim warm this up, you can
put it in the microwave. I find that to be unnatural.
I don't like the taste as much when it's warmed up.
So you would say this is mostly for ice coffees. Yeah,
in my world works for me. In desperate times, we
have wormed it up.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But yeah, so here's my concern before starting. Before you know,
I really angry at a Oconos m hm oh fucking terrible,
Like can I have coffee with water in it?
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
No, it's true, there's.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Already water and coffee. It's how it's made.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You're going to add espresso to a giant cup of water.
That makes me think, like that's gross. Yeah, I'm concerned
that this is gonna taste watery. Yeah you say it
does not.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's it's very like highly concentrated.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Like even I was concerned that I messed up the
eight ounces thing, and so when I poured it up,
it was like all the way to the top, and
I was like, that doesn't look right. And then I
tried it and I was like, who that's that's a coffee.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, okay, all right, well I'm gonna let's let's go.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Derek.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You try first, I'm sure, okay, the newest coffee drinker.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Yes, I My opinions are not form like a teenager.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm a tee.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
This is like asking a fourteen year old do you
like this exactly?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So I'm going to compare this to root.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Beer, and okay, I ask all the cave yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
But let me so. You want to know if I
think this is delicious?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
What do you think about the coffee?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
All?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Right? Here we go.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's very exciting.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was actually nervous.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
No, you know, I I think I I think first
of all, I will say my my bias coming into
this is I I imagine, like conceptually the idea of concentrate.
It's it's I feel like it's gonna taste diluted. I
feel it's gonna it's gonna taste artificial.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
In some way. My first impression is that's that's that's coffee.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
It tastes like it definitely has a taste that I
have not tasted with other coffee.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But to me, it's very strong.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna go. I've put some milk
in this, and I've put my sweeteners in it. Just
the way i'd make any other ice coffee.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Tell you something. Can I tell you that? Can I
tell you?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This tastes more like coffee than like ice coffee. I
know this has the strongest coffee taste, like like coffee
ice cream, which we love, which we love, but like
not not because it's sweet, but because the coffee miss.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Extreme coffee. But when you say.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Extreme it and strong, it makes me think it's going
to be bitter and strong.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's like a very.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's a very velvety I want to it's velvety taste.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's the coffeeest coffee flavor.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
When you say that, that actually raises my suspicions again
because it's like, wait, why is it?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
How does it taste so much like coffee?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
It must not really be coffee?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But is it real? It's just coffee.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It's just coffee ingredients, water, coffee.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Word.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I can barely read it. You have glasses agricus.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
A gericas extract for freshness. So that's like a preservation.
Oh okay, preservative, that's it.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's it. So it is coffee and.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
One hundred and fifty milligrams of caffeine per tablespoon, which
is normal.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know that?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Wow, Lauren, have you ever just like chugged it?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Straight? No.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Caffeine is also something I have to Yeah, played gently
with I will get a migraine for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It's a real bummer.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Listen, I am.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I'm excited for you into it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Do they make a decaf conne?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I'm sure that they do. I have not, you know,
gone that road.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
But because she's a better person, I have not force
to do that yet.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But you'll get there. Lauren. Are you you're like a
yuraler than me? Yea, yeah, you'll get there. Let's talk.
Let's talk next year.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I'm not even sure. I think we're almost the same age.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I don't mind sharing. I am. I just turned
forty six.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I'm turning Actually, always forget what you're twenty twenty five.
I was born in nineteen eighty, so that helps. Forty five.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, so we're your apart. Yeah, talk to me to share. Okay.
See if you're so small, you.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And your caffeine.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Oh no, this is delicious. I love it. It's called
jot jot.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, it comes right to my door.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well, can't beat that.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I suggested it to a friend and she was like,
let me just do the quick.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Math here because what she would cost.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah, so I actually I think at this point I'm
paying like fifty something. But there's a deal when you
come into it. And so her math was she was
paying a dollar per cup, which is really good. That's
really good because she was getting some other concentrate and
it was like two fifty per cup. But I'm paying
more than she is, so I think it's more like
(15:01):
maybe I still think it's under two dollars. But I
did not actually do the math, and I was like, oh,
you're a better person than I am.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
To actually know. But so Learen do you do you
just drink this now at home? Do you ever have
other types of coffee?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
No?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I still do hot coffee in the winter, But we
are we are gearing up.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
We have got many of these.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Because we will go through like we order three at
a time, and then last year I accidentally doubled that
and it actually worked out fine.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
We made it through all of them.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
It's just that they what I would prefer because I
do like hot coffee in the winter is a winter pause,
and they.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You can keep like, oh, kicking the delivery can, but
that requires you remember to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I never do.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So do they have flavors? Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yes, many, Like there's seasonal ones, so they'll get like
a pumpkin situation that there's like a winter, you know
whatever something, there's somehow springtime and summer, you know, all
sorts of one fun things.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, I'll look into it. I will tell you I
am feeling the caffeine already. Put that away just a
few but that tasted delicious.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
You guys like and i'mlike Derek, I've been drinking coffee
a thousand years.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, I'm I'm very very very well informed.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, let's get into some coffee news. Yes, we're going
to start on the legal front.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Not great, not it never is.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Starbucks has been ordered to pay fifty million dollars to
a delivery driver who was burned after a poorly secured
lid was handed to him right through the window.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It's like the Seinfeld episode.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Like the sein Feld episode, Wait.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
How much is he?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Do they have?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Toy million?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I'm going to go research that episode and find out
what he was going to get before he settled for
the k of gear Long coffee or whatever as.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Many cappuccinos as you can drink us and as he says,
but there's more. Canadian woman found a cockroach and or
tim hornets and is now considering suing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean you should definitely sue for that. That's real shame.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's one thing to see a cockroach in a in
a coffee shop. You don't want to do that, but
that happens. But to have it in your coffee cup,
then the mind goes to like, how did that get there?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And where else.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Are those cockroaches's I would definitely sue for that.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And then the final legal front. This is so interesting
Paul McCartney that Paul McCartney got Pete's Coffee to drop
its non dairy milk searcharge after suggesting that he and
Peta might team up with an anti Pete's billboard.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
The pressure vegan right for.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Vegans, like why are you punishing people who don't drink
hows milk with a sta charge for your oat milk
on and milk bab blah blah blah. Yeah, the kicker
is Paul McCartney's not vegan.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
But that's amazing, speaking for all vegans.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's amazing. And what he did he just wrote them
a letter.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh, because I think a bunch of coffee companies have
dropped the non dairy search arge and it was like,
why isn't pete?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So he wrote them a letter and I.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Think and it was like vaguely a little threat, a.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Little bit, little little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He probably doesn't need much. He has a lot of
pull being Yeah he does, sir McCartney.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, correct.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So within a week they drop amazing the search arge.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's amazing. Well, good for them.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Are those prices not just set by supply and demand?
Like can they just decide from social pressure to change.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The yes, the way they could decide, we're going to
do a search charge on this milk that is more
expensive for us to buy, and so therefore we're going
to make it more expensive for you to buy. And
but this pressure from outside, yeah, is making them say, okay,
I guess we can't.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Get away with that.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Well, don't work.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
We have Trump in office, so they'll just get wind
of that and bring that clean white cow's milk.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's hour, that is right.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You know, that's happening. Some other nasty news I'm starting.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I'm sorry to some notes.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
International Delight recall. Did you see this? It's bad and
it's everywhere. International Delight, which is what a.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Lot of people use to put cream in their coffee,
recalled seventy five thousand bottles of coffee creamer because of
complaints of spoilage and illness and a weird texture.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh happened?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I don't want to know, but it's cinnamon Classic, Cinnamon
Roll coffee Creamer, Hazelnut coffee Creamer are the some of
the bottles that were recalled. So if you've got that
in your fridge.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Oh my god, throw it out and consider the non flavored.
That's a lot of flavor or milk. Consider Yeah, cinnamon
roll creamer, that just sounds like counting go well with
coffee met chemicals.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But yeah, that's that's a big recall, So check your fridges.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, this one's crazy, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I researched coffee news and I look all kinds of
places for this, right, I spour the internet and I
found this press release went out to all of like
the coffee.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Trades, big news.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
The Grinder Lab, which is a company that makes coffee grinders,
proud to announce the launch of the TGL seven forty
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and innovation.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Designed for coffee enthusiasts, the Swiss.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Made tool is set to upgrade how coffee is ground
and enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'll just tell you.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Some of the the tricks that this coffee grinder can do.
Precision grinding with a ten microns click, a vertical adjustment
of the burrs, and fifty clicks per revolution. The TCL
seven forty seven delivers the highest resolution on the market.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
What does that even mean?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Crafted from a three hundred and sixteen liters surgical grades
stainless steel, this high precision mechanical construction is supported by
four ball bearings, ensuring durability and consistent performance. Elegant design,
stability and safety optimized for comfort.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I have a picture of it, Oh okay, that I
brought in.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Well, this is the coffee grinder. It's pretty can I
I just want to point something out. It's manual.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, you grind it yourself. I'm wondering what you think
this coffee grinder costs.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I mean, way too much. Let's just describe it for
the listeners.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay, well, it's pretty stainless steel and black and has
a stainless steel and black grinder about it.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Crank crank, but it has this little diamond pattern that
evokes architecture in some way.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
It's true, and it's on the it's on the handle
as well.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I hate to ask.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's like, it's a mannualrid.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Couple hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Why don't you venture a guess?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Two fifty Derek.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'll go less. I'll say, like eighty five.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Okay, that's a cheap grinder.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
It's four hundred ninety sevens got that's insane.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You gotta do the work.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Four hundred and ninety seven. Call it an even five hundred.
But they're like, no, we're just under we're just under
five hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
We're affordable.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, four hundred and ninety to grind your own coffee.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, you gotta word. That looks hard too. You gotta
really get some arm strength there.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Could it be? No?
Speaker 6 (22:49):
So I gotta say I I would love to get
my hands on that thing. So every every day I
have a it's not so fancy, but I have a
manual grinder that I love. I love using it. And
it's it adds to the ritual of it.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It adds to the ritual of the experience, right, you know,
I put it on of course, which is which is valuable, and.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I put it, I put it on the scale, I
put the whole beans inside, measure it out, and then
when you first start cranking, it's like very rough, you know,
it's like yeah, and then when you know you're done
because it's smooth and it's all little exactly, Yeah, it
feels good and it's no. Well that's how much I
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did not spend five hundred dollars on this, but I
did get one that you adjust the you can adjust.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
The how fine it grinds.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
And I guess it's if you want to make you know,
espresso versus pour over whatever, it's different, right, right, consistency
and I honestly, I just said it once and I've
just never adjusted it out after that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, well, let's.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
See if iHeart will pick up the tab for a
five hundred dollars grinder and then we can all try it.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Honestly, I would imagine if it's really fancy, it probably
is easier to turn, It probably doesn't require as much force.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Well, let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It features a stable, wide based receiver which provides exceptional stability.
It prevents tilting or falling off the table, which could
lead to damage.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Mine has never fallen off the table.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Don't forget about those ball bearings. Those ball bearing hard
doing something.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's thoughtful design prioritizes haptics and portability, allowing for pleasant
grinding experience while being light A light weight enough for travel.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh, it's on the go, this thing with you?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Put that little grinder in my pocket.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I would love to grind. I would love to try
it once. I would love to.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, I just want to.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh it's stepless and easy to read. I would hope.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So you're just fucking grinding the instructions.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
The list, there are two steps. At least you have
to pour the beans in touch sensitive.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
What could that mean?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Does no kidding, I'm touching it, I'm working it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm doing it. Wait wait, watch inspired dial, a watch
inspired dial, Swiss precision here or I don't know. This
is insane. I'm sorry. I love coffee. I love the
preciousness of coffee. This is insane.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Yeah, they're evoking the watch. The watch thing is. They're like, oh,
you'd spend a ton of money on a watch and
it's just a watch. You know, you'd spend a ton
of money on it.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
And you every day Swiss watch every day, it would
owe you money after five hundred days.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
That's true, four hundred and ninety eight. Actually, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But I do want to try it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You have you guys heard of this coffee with a
younger self trend?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Have you seen? It's not like on TikTok.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And it all started because this poet, Janey Cecilia, posted
a TikTok of a poem I think that she wrote
that describes meeting her younger self for coffee, and it's
called I Met myself.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I met my younger self for a coffee And so.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Now people are doing this and basically she sits down
and reintroduces herself to her younger self and like, here's
where we're at today, and you know, here's what we're doing,
and congratulations this part of you know, your hopes and
wishes turned out and it's nice. It is nice, and
so people are doing it the I met my younger
self for a coffee trend, and uh, I guess Jenna
(26:24):
Jenna Bush Hagar did it for the Today Show, and
I'm just wondering, like, what you would say to your.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Younger self if you met for coffee. Derek would be.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Like, why my younger self would be would be scandalized,
I'm telling yeah, my younger self would be like, oh no,
he's he's become a state, right right. And then my
my current self would say, yes, my child, you'll.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Like it, and you'll get this five hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
No, but you know what, I really I love this
idea and I love thinking back on your sort of
younger self with compassion. You know, I really like that
a lot because I you know, I have I have
this like a digital photo frame that I keep at
my desk, which is like my full like grandparent level
the thing that I do. But I love it because
I love like reflecting that we take all these pictures
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with our phones or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know, when do you like look at the pictures
that you take? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I love like just like randomly seeing older pictures,
and I love reflecting on my on my childhood and
my adolescence and like I'm I'm a very different person
now than I than I was then, and I've grown
but in a lot of ways, I'm the same person,
and I love the connections with like, well, the values
that I have now are the are the values that
I had then, and like the even even even as
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I've evolved in change and stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So I love that. I would love to have coffee.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I don't know. I feel like that's a really heavy question.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I've been having a lot of identity issues that I
talked through with my therapist. I had this moment seeing
college friends where I was like, do you guys think
back at college and think like that was my true self?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And they're like, sure, but.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
There's something about like looking back, I had so much
fun in college.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I was so relaxed. I wasn't You had no worries.
That was the thing.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
There was nothing encumbering me, know when you had all
this new freedom so much. I had so much freedom,
and it was like I could hang out with anyone
and I would talk to anyone. Yes, And I loved
that aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And you were literally there to like figure out who
you were.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah, just absorb things, Yeah, just experience, Like work was
very much secondary, which I do regret now, But I
would love to take an English class.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So I don't know. I guess, oh gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
I guess I would tell little Lauren that life is
a little harder, but to keep an eye out for
those moments where you can reconnect with that like loose
self and like to try to have fun.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And it sounds like I don't have fun.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I think, you know, it's like kids really just layered
so much on top of that freedom and that personality
that like, yeah, I guess I would say, like, play
with your kids more, but so unnatural to me, like
Ronnie can play with our kids. My friend and I
talk with this all the time, like I cannot really
play pretend. We're like, don't forget your backpack, like the
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logistical friend, like this isn't fun, right.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I was always bad at like pretending to lose board games.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I cannot physically be this bad. No, and this is dumb.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
My husband and I would like eye each other across.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Me, like you guys, you got to let this go.
I mean, celebrit Jeopardy Champ being over here.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Also, they have to learn, I remember, have to learn babysitting.
This young kid named Bryce, and he had much older siblings,
not much older siblings, so it was really just me
and him, and he wanted to play chess, and I
vaguely knew chess, but compared to the six year old,
I knew a lot more and I won. I did
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not let him win, and he would not let me
forget it. He told his mom we played chess and
more than one. I don't think he'd ever like lost.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Right right growing up?
Speaker 4 (30:33):
That like a good lesson exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I was like, dude, it was just the beginning.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It probably was.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I still only have those teenage skills, So.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Yeah, what about you, as he would, what would want
to say to your younger self over coffee?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I think I would tell my younger self to relax
and not work so hard. But it's such a catch
twenty two because working so hard and being so stressed
got me to where I got, and I'm grateful for that.
And I could only work that hard in my twenties
because in my thirties I had a family and then
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I had to slow down. So that is when I
should have been working hard, but I was so worried
and anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And this is at a very young age.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
That started this like pressure on myself and I think, yeah,
I was too hard on myself, and I would have
told myself, like, it's all gonna be fine, It's gonna
be fine.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, you'll get there.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, you will get there.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Your ambition, your your skills, you'll get yourself there somehow.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You don't need to be this crazed, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But again, like we've had this conversation with some of
our guests on Off the Cup. I think it was
Mark Duplas was like I would I would tell younger
people to like figure out their mental health stuff earlier than.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We did, but I would also tell them work your ass.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Off, Yeah, because that's when you can those two things
can be true.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yes, you know, it's like embarking on a therapy journey
as well as working your ass off.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yes, yeah, so I don't but I don't even know that.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
This is like I love this idea, but I don't
even know this is a valid like project.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
First of all, impossible, Yeah until time travel.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Until time times, I don't remember, I can't play.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So yeah, I can't tell you that I could actually
do that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Second about butterfly effect, you wouldn't even want to because.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Then you're exactly that's exactly what I was gonna say,
like what would you change?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And who knows what that would change?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And now suddenly I'm forty six and without a family,
without a kid, without a because I met myself for coffee.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeh, I'm told that.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, No, it's so true, like unless you have some
serious regrets in this moment, yeah, like and all things considered,
it's like, it's hard to look back with such regret
because it got me to this place. And you know,
there's things that I would change now, but I can
continue to change.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Them, exactly, can only really move forward.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, and maybe the idea, Like I think it would
have been cool if someone had told sixteen, fifteen year
old Essie, write a note to your future self about
like who you are today, yeah, and your anxieties, And
that could have been instructive to me as I grew
up and got older and like moved through life to
look back on what I was thinking when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, that could have been cool.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
You want to take from your younger self, you don't
want to give to your younger.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Self, exactly right, you owe me.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
My favorite movie last year was My Old Ass. Did
either of you see that?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
So it's The premise is this young woman she's like
about to graduate high school and she does like mushrooms
with her friends in the woods one night, and she's
visited by Aubrey Plaza, who is herself as like a
few years later, you know, or a couple decades later.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
So it's kind of a the same premise.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
But it's a beautiful it's a lovely coming of age movie,
and it's a lot of you know, coming of age.
Those type of movies take place in the past because
they're like the filmmakers reflecting on their past.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
But this is kind of like the imagining to that.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, like the present person is the younger version of
the person, right, But yeah, it's a very sweet movie
and it's.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I get out, okay. Next, talking coffee news. We've
talked about this a little before, the fruit coffee trend.
Remember we talked about banana.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I remember, oh, yes, I was thinking about the yes, yes,
the banana coffee. Well, it's exploding, this fruit trend. I
guess where else.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
San Francisco, of course, But let me just tell you
some of the things they're doing out there with our coffee.
Listen to what they're doing to our coffee.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Wasabi coffee.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm curious though, I'm crea.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Have you ever thought I like this coffee? But it
should be spicier and taste like horse radish.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
It should be insanely I wanted to clear my.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Right that said I would try that avocado coffee again.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Is it just like a smoothie, because that could be interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I'm interested in that too.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, because avocado doesn't have a very strong favor. It
could just make it creamy.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, yeah, it could be kind of a creamy non
dairy yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Addition, Jo Coffy would be pleased.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I might, I might enjoy.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That are delicious. I love avocato, Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I put so for my son.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I'll make a milkshake after school with ice cream but
also avocado.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Because he can't taste it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, and there's good fatty as you know, there's a
good fat in them. And I'll throw some other you know,
veggies in that he can't taste.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And so avocado is a very good like sneaky sneaky vega.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Olive coffee, olive oil they have lost absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I mean, I know olive oil cake is delicious, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Want oil in my coffee.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I made brownies with olive oil one time, like it
did not turn out very well.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I didn't. I didn't like it. Maybe I did a
bad job, but.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I don't want to oil in my coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
No, that's a hard pass.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, I also use I don't know if you know
you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
So I'm into skincare as well, and there's an ingredient
called squalane and it's you could you could source it
in multiple places from like shark fins and shark livers
illegal to olive oil.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Right, and yet that's what you said first.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
No, the squalene I use is derived from olive oil.
And so I cannot get past the idea of like
putting something on my face and in my coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, a little for you, a little for my hazeling.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
For my coffee. Lemon coffee a lot of acid involved.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, wouldn't it like kurdle the milk if you had milk.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Lemon is my favorite fruit flavor of anything. I love lemon,
but I can't imagine what it would do to coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
And not imagine let's stream.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, that's smoked apple coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
What Yeah, so much going on?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So much going on apple?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Why are we smoking it? I know.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Uh huh yeah, okay, orange juice Americano immediately now, immediately, no,
no to the Americano, No to the oj again.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
The citrus and coffee, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I can't imagine citrus and coffee going.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Well, now you know what's weird. My husband loves like
orange and chocolate joins and chocolate.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yes, that works, so maybe, but it's it's chocolate and
coffee so similar that I mean, I guess there are.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
People think they're not beans.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah right, yeah, but I hate chocolate. Oh, I love
the shaming. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Side story, When I was growing up, my best friend's
brother couldn't drink lactose. And this is at a time
when we did not have all the options right, and
so one option was driving like an hour to a
farm to get goat milk, and so that wasn't possible
all the time. And so when the brother would he
was best friend with my brother, and so when he
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would sleep over, he would ask for cereal with orange juice.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Stop stop.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
And I remember many times I'm watching this young kid, no,
and I was like this, but even then I was like,
I realized he has no options.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But no, there's an option. You can eat cereal dry
with orange juice.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Right, even water, even water would be better than OJ
That's wild.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Makes me very uncomfortable. That's immediately what I thought of
when you.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Said, yeah, and that child grew up to be a
serial killer.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Okay, last talking coffee news item, how would you guys
feel about going into your favorite coffee shop in the
morning ten am? Say ten am and there's a DJ
playing a set.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
No, I want less noise in my life.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I want no noise.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I'm listening, I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Well, there's this apparently is a very hot trend in Austin,
Texas where they're hiring like the hot local DJs to
play at ten am at the coffee shop.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
For vibes, for vibes, is it a different vibe?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Like that's like it's a club vive too much, which
is weird. No, that's weird, but Austin's weird, and they
keep Boston weird.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
They want to keep it that way.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
And I love Austin, but like, dude, dude, no, no.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Although I am curious if you are there to stop
by and see what those vibes are like, like maybe
we're I'm just thinking of a terrible vibe and it's
like a good vibe.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
You know, sometimes you'll go into a hotel, like a
like a trendy hotel, like a w or something that's
like aimed at young people, and you walk in, you're
in the lobby and there's like club music.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's like and the like.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It's also ten in the morning.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
It's seven in the morning, and I'm just checking in
and it's club vibes. So I wonder if I'm just
too old for this and like this is appealing to
some younger people.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, well, I'm imagining.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
So last month you talked about an open position in
Texas to be a brand ambassador for.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
A million coffee.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
So I want the Chameleon coffee person. I want.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I imagine like a rom com in which the Chameleon
coffee person meets the DJ from this from this coffee place,
and they like meet the vibes.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Are good.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I had the best idea for a Hallmark movie.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So my husband and I over the weekends we watch
like Northwood's Law. Okay, this is like a fish and
game conservation officers and the stuff they encounter, Okay, okay,
So you know it seems up your alley, moves on
the side of the road, fishermen with a legal license,
you know, hunters with improperism.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
All that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Well, occasionally they'll find like a downed bird who needs
tending to and they take the bird to like a sanctuary.
And there was this one where like this officer was
going to this woman who cares for the birds, and
I'm like, oh my god, you guys, this is this
is a Hallmark movie in like a small New England town.
The local game warden and the woman who rescues hawks.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Fall in love.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
But where's the tension?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And there's some kind of tension.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
This career focused hawk hawk.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
She's going to get back to the big city Laune.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
She's just moved there. That's always that big.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
To care for her mom, who's not feeling well, and
so she's going to do the bird thing for a
little bit. But she's a big vet in the in
the city, okay, and that's where she's going.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
To get back to.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yes, it's abating all the birds from the tall buildings.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Exactly so, but is love enough to keep her in
this small New England town.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
You had me at Baby Boom.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, basically Baby boom. Okay, Well that's all the news
I've got for talking coffee.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
This is a good one, delightful.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I got a lot off my chest.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
This was a bit of a therapy Sash. Yeah, in
some ways. And you guys too. We really opened up
about her younger self.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
See what coffee can do.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I know, it's a real uniter. See what truth serum.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
It's truth. I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Caffeine or no caffeine or no, it's okay. I'm here
to tell you it's okay to go decaf.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I'll be the first.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I'll take the first step, and I'll end the stigma
and the silence by telling you I am I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You can walk on this journey with me.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
We support this.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
You're very blue.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, you guys are.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So You guys are so supportive. All right, that's it
for talking coffee.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Email us at off the Cup at gmail dot com.
If you have coffee news that I'm unaware of, good
luck good luck finding that.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
But no, I do want to hear it. And I
really want like.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Unpopular or controversial coffee opinions.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I love that because they're fun. Anytime we ask, like
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Two degrees, that was a fantastic answer.
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Lazy.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
We are we it's me, it's my producers, Lauren and Derek.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, and we're gonna talk some coffee, some coffee news.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We're gonna do a taste test.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm really excited.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm already tasting.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
And we have we have our coffees here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, Lauren made our coffees.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm not I'm not tasting mine yet, but I want
to start with something painful. Oh my gosh, it's a confession.
And I'm being completely serious. I'm very ashamed to say
this out loud. And then we have to uncovered, like
we have to, we have to unpack why I'm so
(00:50):
ashamed of this. But I'm deeply, deeply ashamed to say
I've recently switched to decaf.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm there's a.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Lot to this.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, this didn't happen overnight. We get your therapist on
the phone. Seriously, coloran seriously. I you know, I drink
a lot of coffee, but I have a heart condition
and so caffeine is not great. And so I was
always limiting myself to like one giant ice coffee a day, okay,
(01:25):
and I would see it throughout the day, but like
any more than that and it would be counterproductive and
not feel great.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Recently, I'd start with my morning coffee and like halfway through,
I'd get so jittery and anxious, and then by the
time I was finished with it, I would crash and
get exhausted. Oh so, all the reasons I would start
my day with coffee were like.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're like a flipped on its head.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Now I'm instead of excited and ready for the day
and awake, I am anxious and asleep.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Dura ball, It's failing at its job.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It was totally the only thing it was doing was
tasting good, but everything else was like really working against me.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
This is so tragic, so tragic journey.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I lived in this secret pain for a while.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
How long has it been, well about six.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Months of that, And I really I attribute it to
like everything else that's going wrong in my life right now, perimenopause.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I just assume, like, Okay, this is my body reacting
to caffeine.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Now at the age I'm at suffered in silence as
we do, as we do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And then my mom was.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Visiting and she was like, why aren't you having coffee?
I told her all of this, and then she said
the thing that I can't believe.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I didn't think to say, why don't you try decaps?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's an entire category of coffee I had completely written off,
and so I did. I didn't tell anyone, but it did.
I started trying decaf, and oh my god, it was
like the sun came again. I can And the added
benefit is I can drink more coffee throughout the day
when I want to taste the ritual, the whole experience
(03:12):
out worrying about my poor little heart worrying you know
that it's making me anxious or tired.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's been so life saving. But this is what I
need you guys to tell me.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Like, I am still ashamed, and I don't know why
I associated decaf with like weakness.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You're like, yeah, well, I.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Mean it's the Massachusetts and you obviously is that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
What it is?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Because maybe it's because like growing up, the only people
I knew that ever drank decaf were like very old
people who wanted to go to bed shortly thereafter, and
so I just thought, okay, like I'm not thrown in.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The towel like they are.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm still I am not over my shame. I hope
to get there one day. I don't think you need to.
I'm coming out today as part of my sort of
like getting over question.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I mean, I'm thinking about like the I want to say,
like half a dozen or more, maybe a full dozen
of guests that I've been on the show who have
admitted to you that they had to cut out coffee
and then we.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Sounded yeah, they don't get the you got the question
right sound away, and then they pity him.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Meanwhile, you've been suffering in silence. Meanwhile, did you feel more.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Critic Did I feel like a hypocrite? Yeah? No, but
I was trying it out.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I didn't know if I would live in decaff world,
so I didn't want to come out prematurely.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But so we're here, But we're here.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's we're here, and I will have a cup of
caffeinated coffee when I don't have to worry that I'm
gonna like fall asleeper, like yeah, I just it's okay.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm on a long drive. Who cares when you're not driving?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Not driving on a long drive, My husband's driving and
I'm in the car and I'm just there.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
For the ride. And who cares if I get a
little drowsy.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's okay when a nap can play into the day. Yes,
I'll have it an ideal day really.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Or like I'm you know, gonna go out to like
a party or something. That's okay because I know I'll
get I'll keep the energy going and yeah it's fine.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, but day to day I am. I'm on the
decaf train.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
So what is the difference in like the experience? What
is how how does it compare?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Is no measurable difference? I can't There's no difference in taste.
The difference is I don't feel hard palpitations.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Which I lived with for a lonerful.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Benefit, right, And yeah, I don't get that crash right after.
I mean it was the point where like I'd finish
my morning coffee and need to lay down.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And I've heard that that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Happens to some people. I don't know why, but like
that hadn't happened to me for you know, thirty plus years, yeah,
forty years.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So yeah, it's a bummer, but.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'm I'm I'm making lemons lemonade out of lemons.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Right, because now I can have more coffee.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well it sounds like the only negative
side effect is that you feel weak, but it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Is not nothing big deal.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I'm also very curious how people scientists take caffeine out
of coffee, right?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Does that happen?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Right? And I have heard that there's still little caffeine
and decaf.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, which is kind of nice that less week.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm not allergic to it, but it's like, yeah, a little.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Last week, I was hoping we could do a call
out to our listeners because I would love to hear
if they also feel ashamed when they order decaf in
a restaurant or a coffee shop and like where that
comes from being public?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Abody?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, help me understand my shame, my personal shame.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And also if anyone else has had the same experience
with coffee at this age as a woman that I have,
you know that, like, I'm not alone that that's happened.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Email us at off the Cup at gmail dot com.
That's Off the Cup Cup with two p's, just like
the podcast at gmail dot com. And then next time
on Talking Coffee, we can share what the listeners have
told us.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I love that point.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well listen, thank you, thank you for for creating with us.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I'll never look at you the same, But.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Listen, I I'm glad I took this first step. Yeah,
and that you guys are here to walk.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Me through it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
I really don't think there's any shame in it, but
I but I weirdly understand you. There is something that
we grew up with that suggests decaf drinkers are week
as weak.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Can we rebrand it somehow? Like could we call it
something else? Like?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Maybe maybe the shame comes the fact that it's like
d it's like you're taking something out of it.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Maybe it's like well but heart healthy coffee, survival coffee,
still living.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Coffee, right right right?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Or is it like like chill coffee, like just need
to chill. I don't need to be amped, I just
need to chill. Yes, maybe it's chill coffee.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
This is making me excited because I often want a
another coffee later in the day but cannot possibly drink
caffeine after afternoon. So alist this is giving me something
to purchase called decafe.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I because my parents drink it. So I had
little cups.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's very life changing. I hope this coffee doesn't throw
you into a tizzy.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Or no, I'll be fine. I'll be completely fine. I'm
so excited.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So Lauren explained to us, because you mentioned, I think
on one of our first Tog coffees, you get a
subscription service.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I do tell us a lot of a subscription service.
It just arrives. It's a concentrate coffee. It's called JAT.
If they want to advertise with us, you know, we're
very open to that. But yeah, I'm I'm sure it
was advertised.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
To me on something.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
But you just they give you this adorable little measuring cup.
It's a tablespoon. You pour a tablespoon of the coffee concentrate,
which is a liquid, which is a liquid, yes, and
then you add it to eight ounces of liquid. So
the liquid to more liquid is that water or milk? Well,
that would be a lot of milk. It can be
(09:23):
if you want eight ounces of milk. But in your
eight ounces, if you want milk, you need to factor
that in because nothing.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Is worse than like a more water down concentrate.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
You can also they claim warm this up, you can
put it in the microwave. I find that to be unnatural.
I don't like the taste as much when it's warmed up.
So you would say this is mostly for ice coffees. Yeah,
in my world works for me. In desperate times, we
have wormed it up.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But yeah, so here's my concern before starting. Before you know,
I really angry at a Oconos m hm oh fucking terrible,
Like can I have coffee with water in it?
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
No, it's true, there's.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Already water and coffee. It's how it's made.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You're going to add espresso to a giant cup of water.
That makes me think, like that's gross. Yeah, I'm concerned
that this is gonna taste watery. Yeah you say it
does not.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's it's very like highly concentrated.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Like even I was concerned that I messed up the
eight ounces thing, and so when I poured it up,
it was like all the way to the top, and
I was like, that doesn't look right. And then I
tried it and I was like, who that's that's a coffee.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, okay, all right, well I'm gonna let's let's go.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Derek.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You try first, I'm sure, okay, the newest coffee drinker.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Yes, I My opinions are not form like a teenager.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm a tee.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
This is like asking a fourteen year old do you
like this exactly?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So I'm going to compare this to root.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Beer, and okay, I ask all the cave yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
But let me so. You want to know if I
think this is delicious?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
What do you think about the coffee?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
All?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Right? Here we go.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's very exciting.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was actually nervous.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
No, you know, I I think I I think first
of all, I will say my my bias coming into
this is I I imagine, like conceptually the idea of concentrate.
It's it's I feel like it's gonna taste diluted. I
feel it's gonna it's gonna taste artificial.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
In some way. My first impression is that's that's that's coffee.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
It tastes like it definitely has a taste that I
have not tasted with other coffee.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But to me, it's very strong.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna go. I've put some milk
in this, and I've put my sweeteners in it. Just
the way i'd make any other ice coffee.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Tell you something. Can I tell you that? Can I
tell you?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This tastes more like coffee than like ice coffee. I
know this has the strongest coffee taste, like like coffee
ice cream, which we love, which we love, but like
not not because it's sweet, but because the coffee miss.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Extreme coffee. But when you say.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Extreme it and strong, it makes me think it's going
to be bitter and strong.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's like a very.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's a very velvety I want to it's velvety taste.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's the coffeeest coffee flavor.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
When you say that, that actually raises my suspicions again
because it's like, wait, why is it?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
How does it taste so much like coffee?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
It must not really be coffee?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But is it real? It's just coffee.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It's just coffee ingredients, water, coffee.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Word.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I can barely read it. You have glasses agricus.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
A gericas extract for freshness. So that's like a preservation.
Oh okay, preservative, that's it.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's it. So it is coffee and.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
One hundred and fifty milligrams of caffeine per tablespoon, which
is normal.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know that?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Wow, Lauren, have you ever just like chugged it?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Straight? No.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Caffeine is also something I have to Yeah, played gently
with I will get a migraine for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It's a real bummer.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Listen, I am.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I'm excited for you into it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Do they make a decaf conne?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I'm sure that they do. I have not, you know,
gone that road.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
But because she's a better person, I have not force
to do that yet.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But you'll get there. Lauren. Are you you're like a
yuraler than me? Yea, yeah, you'll get there. Let's talk.
Let's talk next year.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I'm not even sure. I think we're almost the same age.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I don't mind sharing. I am. I just turned
forty six.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I'm turning Actually, always forget what you're twenty twenty five.
I was born in nineteen eighty, so that helps. Forty five.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, so we're your apart. Yeah, talk to me to share. Okay.
See if you're so small, you.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And your caffeine.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Oh no, this is delicious. I love it. It's called
jot jot.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, it comes right to my door.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well, can't beat that.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I suggested it to a friend and she was like,
let me just do the quick.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Math here because what she would cost.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah, so I actually I think at this point I'm
paying like fifty something. But there's a deal when you
come into it. And so her math was she was
paying a dollar per cup, which is really good. That's
really good because she was getting some other concentrate and
it was like two fifty per cup. But I'm paying
more than she is, so I think it's more like
(15:01):
maybe I still think it's under two dollars. But I
did not actually do the math, and I was like, oh,
you're a better person than I am.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
To actually know. But so Learen do you do you
just drink this now at home? Do you ever have
other types of coffee?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
No?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I still do hot coffee in the winter, But we
are we are gearing up.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
We have got many of these.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Because we will go through like we order three at
a time, and then last year I accidentally doubled that
and it actually worked out fine.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
We made it through all of them.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
It's just that they what I would prefer because I
do like hot coffee in the winter is a winter pause,
and they.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You can keep like, oh, kicking the delivery can, but
that requires you remember to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I never do.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So do they have flavors? Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yes, many, Like there's seasonal ones, so they'll get like
a pumpkin situation that there's like a winter, you know
whatever something, there's somehow springtime and summer, you know, all
sorts of one fun things.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, I'll look into it. I will tell you I
am feeling the caffeine already. Put that away just a
few but that tasted delicious.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
You guys like and i'mlike Derek, I've been drinking coffee
a thousand years.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, I'm I'm very very very well informed.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, let's get into some coffee news. Yes, we're going
to start on the legal front.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Not great, not it never is.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Starbucks has been ordered to pay fifty million dollars to
a delivery driver who was burned after a poorly secured
lid was handed to him right through the window.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It's like the Seinfeld episode.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Like the sein Feld episode, Wait.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
How much is he?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Do they have?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Toy million?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I'm going to go research that episode and find out
what he was going to get before he settled for
the k of gear Long coffee or whatever as.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Many cappuccinos as you can drink us and as he says,
but there's more. Canadian woman found a cockroach and or
tim hornets and is now considering suing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean you should definitely sue for that. That's real shame.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's one thing to see a cockroach in a in
a coffee shop. You don't want to do that, but
that happens. But to have it in your coffee cup,
then the mind goes to like, how did that get there?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And where else.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Are those cockroaches's I would definitely sue for that.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And then the final legal front. This is so interesting
Paul McCartney that Paul McCartney got Pete's Coffee to drop
its non dairy milk searcharge after suggesting that he and
Peta might team up with an anti Pete's billboard.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
The pressure vegan right for.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Vegans, like why are you punishing people who don't drink
hows milk with a sta charge for your oat milk
on and milk bab blah blah blah. Yeah, the kicker
is Paul McCartney's not vegan.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
But that's amazing, speaking for all vegans.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's amazing. And what he did he just wrote them
a letter.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh, because I think a bunch of coffee companies have
dropped the non dairy search arge and it was like,
why isn't pete?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So he wrote them a letter and I.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Think and it was like vaguely a little threat, a.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Little bit, little little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He probably doesn't need much. He has a lot of
pull being Yeah he does, sir McCartney.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, correct.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So within a week they drop amazing the search arge.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's amazing. Well, good for them.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Are those prices not just set by supply and demand?
Like can they just decide from social pressure to change.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The yes, the way they could decide, we're going to
do a search charge on this milk that is more
expensive for us to buy, and so therefore we're going
to make it more expensive for you to buy. And
but this pressure from outside, yeah, is making them say, okay,
I guess we can't.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Get away with that.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Well, don't work.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
We have Trump in office, so they'll just get wind
of that and bring that clean white cow's milk.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's hour, that is right.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You know, that's happening. Some other nasty news I'm starting.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I'm sorry to some notes.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
International Delight recall. Did you see this? It's bad and
it's everywhere. International Delight, which is what a.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Lot of people use to put cream in their coffee,
recalled seventy five thousand bottles of coffee creamer because of
complaints of spoilage and illness and a weird texture.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh happened?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I don't want to know, but it's cinnamon Classic, Cinnamon
Roll coffee Creamer, Hazelnut coffee Creamer are the some of
the bottles that were recalled. So if you've got that
in your fridge.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Oh my god, throw it out and consider the non flavored.
That's a lot of flavor or milk. Consider Yeah, cinnamon
roll creamer, that just sounds like counting go well with
coffee met chemicals.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But yeah, that's that's a big recall, So check your fridges.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, this one's crazy, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I researched coffee news and I look all kinds of
places for this, right, I spour the internet and I
found this press release went out to all of like
the coffee.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Trades, big news.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
The Grinder Lab, which is a company that makes coffee grinders,
proud to announce the launch of the TGL seven forty
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What does that even mean?
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Speaker 3 (21:32):
I have a picture of it, Oh okay, that I
brought in.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Well, this is the coffee grinder. It's pretty can I
I just want to point something out. It's manual.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, you grind it yourself. I'm wondering what you think
this coffee grinder costs.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I mean, way too much. Let's just describe it for
the listeners.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay, well, it's pretty stainless steel and black and has
a stainless steel and black grinder about it.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Crank crank, but it has this little diamond pattern that
evokes architecture in some way.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
It's true, and it's on the it's on the handle
as well.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I hate to ask.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's like, it's a mannualrid.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Couple hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Why don't you venture a guess?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Two fifty Derek.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'll go less. I'll say, like eighty five.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Okay, that's a cheap grinder.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
It's four hundred ninety sevens got that's insane.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You gotta do the work.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Four hundred and ninety seven. Call it an even five hundred.
But they're like, no, we're just under we're just under
five hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
We're affordable.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, four hundred and ninety to grind your own coffee.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, you gotta word. That looks hard too. You gotta
really get some arm strength there.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Could it be? No?
Speaker 6 (22:49):
So I gotta say I I would love to get
my hands on that thing. So every every day I
have a it's not so fancy, but I have a
manual grinder that I love. I love using it. And
it's it adds to the ritual of it.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It adds to the ritual of the experience, right, you know,
I put it on of course, which is which is valuable, and.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I put it, I put it on the scale, I
put the whole beans inside, measure it out, and then
when you first start cranking, it's like very rough, you know,
it's like yeah, and then when you know you're done
because it's smooth and it's all little exactly, Yeah, it
feels good and it's no. Well that's how much I
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did not spend five hundred dollars on this, but I
did get one that you adjust the you can adjust.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
The how fine it grinds.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
And I guess it's if you want to make you know,
espresso versus pour over whatever, it's different, right, right, consistency
and I honestly, I just said it once and I've
just never adjusted it out after that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, well, let's.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
See if iHeart will pick up the tab for a
five hundred dollars grinder and then we can all try it.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Honestly, I would imagine if it's really fancy, it probably
is easier to turn, It probably doesn't require as much force.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Well, let me tell you.
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Speaker 4 (24:19):
Mine has never fallen off the table.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Don't forget about those ball bearings. Those ball bearing hard
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Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh, it's on the go, this thing with you?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Put that little grinder in my pocket.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I would love to grind. I would love to try
it once. I would love to.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, I just want to.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh it's stepless and easy to read. I would hope.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So you're just fucking grinding the instructions.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
The list, there are two steps. At least you have
to pour the beans in touch sensitive.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
What could that mean?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Does no kidding, I'm touching it, I'm working it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm doing it. Wait wait, watch inspired dial, a watch
inspired dial, Swiss precision here or I don't know. This
is insane. I'm sorry. I love coffee. I love the
preciousness of coffee. This is insane.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Yeah, they're evoking the watch. The watch thing is. They're like, oh,
you'd spend a ton of money on a watch and
it's just a watch. You know, you'd spend a ton
of money on it.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
And you every day Swiss watch every day, it would
owe you money after five hundred days.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
That's true, four hundred and ninety eight. Actually, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But I do want to try it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You have you guys heard of this coffee with a
younger self trend?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Have you seen? It's not like on TikTok.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And it all started because this poet, Janey Cecilia, posted
a TikTok of a poem I think that she wrote
that describes meeting her younger self for coffee, and it's
called I Met myself.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I met my younger self for a coffee And so.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Now people are doing this and basically she sits down
and reintroduces herself to her younger self and like, here's
where we're at today, and you know, here's what we're doing,
and congratulations this part of you know, your hopes and
wishes turned out and it's nice. It is nice, and
so people are doing it the I met my younger
self for a coffee trend, and uh, I guess Jenna
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Jenna Bush Hagar did it for the Today Show, and
I'm just wondering, like, what you would say to your.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Younger self if you met for coffee. Derek would be.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Like, why my younger self would be would be scandalized,
I'm telling yeah, my younger self would be like, oh no,
he's he's become a state, right right. And then my
my current self would say, yes, my child, you'll.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Like it, and you'll get this five hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
No, but you know what, I really I love this
idea and I love thinking back on your sort of
younger self with compassion. You know, I really like that
a lot because I you know, I have I have
this like a digital photo frame that I keep at
my desk, which is like my full like grandparent level
the thing that I do. But I love it because
I love like reflecting that we take all these pictures
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with our phones or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know, when do you like look at the pictures
that you take? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I love like just like randomly seeing older pictures,
and I love reflecting on my on my childhood and
my adolescence and like I'm I'm a very different person
now than I than I was then, and I've grown
but in a lot of ways, I'm the same person,
and I love the connections with like, well, the values
that I have now are the are the values that
I had then, and like the even even even as
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I've evolved in change and stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So I love that. I would love to have coffee.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I don't know. I feel like that's a really heavy question.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I've been having a lot of identity issues that I
talked through with my therapist. I had this moment seeing
college friends where I was like, do you guys think
back at college and think like that was my true self?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And they're like, sure, but.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
There's something about like looking back, I had so much
fun in college.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I was so relaxed. I wasn't You had no worries.
That was the thing.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
There was nothing encumbering me, know when you had all
this new freedom so much. I had so much freedom,
and it was like I could hang out with anyone
and I would talk to anyone. Yes, And I loved
that aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And you were literally there to like figure out who
you were.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah, just absorb things, Yeah, just experience, Like work was
very much secondary, which I do regret now, But I
would love to take an English class.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So I don't know. I guess, oh gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
I guess I would tell little Lauren that life is
a little harder, but to keep an eye out for
those moments where you can reconnect with that like loose
self and like to try to have fun.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And it sounds like I don't have fun.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I think, you know, it's like kids really just layered
so much on top of that freedom and that personality
that like, yeah, I guess I would say, like, play
with your kids more, but so unnatural to me, like
Ronnie can play with our kids. My friend and I
talk with this all the time, like I cannot really
play pretend. We're like, don't forget your backpack, like the
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logistical friend, like this isn't fun, right.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I was always bad at like pretending to lose board games.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I cannot physically be this bad. No, and this is dumb.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
My husband and I would like eye each other across.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Me, like you guys, you got to let this go.
I mean, celebrit Jeopardy Champ being over here.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Also, they have to learn, I remember, have to learn babysitting.
This young kid named Bryce, and he had much older siblings,
not much older siblings, so it was really just me
and him, and he wanted to play chess, and I
vaguely knew chess, but compared to the six year old,
I knew a lot more and I won. I did
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not let him win, and he would not let me
forget it. He told his mom we played chess and
more than one. I don't think he'd ever like lost.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Right right growing up?
Speaker 4 (30:33):
That like a good lesson exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I was like, dude, it was just the beginning.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It probably was.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I still only have those teenage skills, So.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Yeah, what about you, as he would, what would want
to say to your younger self over coffee?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I think I would tell my younger self to relax
and not work so hard. But it's such a catch
twenty two because working so hard and being so stressed
got me to where I got, and I'm grateful for that.
And I could only work that hard in my twenties
because in my thirties I had a family and then
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I had to slow down. So that is when I
should have been working hard, but I was so worried
and anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And this is at a very young age.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
That started this like pressure on myself and I think, yeah,
I was too hard on myself, and I would have
told myself, like, it's all gonna be fine, It's gonna
be fine.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, you'll get there.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, you will get there.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Your ambition, your your skills, you'll get yourself there somehow.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You don't need to be this crazed, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But again, like we've had this conversation with some of
our guests on Off the Cup. I think it was
Mark Duplas was like I would I would tell younger
people to like figure out their mental health stuff earlier than.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We did, but I would also tell them work your ass.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Off, Yeah, because that's when you can those two things
can be true.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yes, you know, it's like embarking on a therapy journey
as well as working your ass off.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yes, yeah, so I don't but I don't even know that.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
This is like I love this idea, but I don't
even know this is a valid like project.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
First of all, impossible, Yeah until time travel.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Until time times, I don't remember, I can't play.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So yeah, I can't tell you that I could actually
do that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Second about butterfly effect, you wouldn't even want to because.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Then you're exactly that's exactly what I was gonna say,
like what would you change?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And who knows what that would change?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And now suddenly I'm forty six and without a family,
without a kid, without a because I met myself for coffee.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeh, I'm told that.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, No, it's so true, like unless you have some
serious regrets in this moment, yeah, like and all things considered,
it's like, it's hard to look back with such regret
because it got me to this place. And you know,
there's things that I would change now, but I can
continue to change.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Them, exactly, can only really move forward.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, and maybe the idea, Like I think it would
have been cool if someone had told sixteen, fifteen year
old Essie, write a note to your future self about
like who you are today, yeah, and your anxieties, And
that could have been instructive to me as I grew
up and got older and like moved through life to
look back on what I was thinking when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, that could have been cool.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
You want to take from your younger self, you don't
want to give to your younger.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Self, exactly right, you owe me.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
My favorite movie last year was My Old Ass. Did
either of you see that?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
So it's The premise is this young woman she's like
about to graduate high school and she does like mushrooms
with her friends in the woods one night, and she's
visited by Aubrey Plaza, who is herself as like a
few years later, you know, or a couple decades later.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
So it's kind of a the same premise.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
But it's a beautiful it's a lovely coming of age movie,
and it's a lot of you know, coming of age.
Those type of movies take place in the past because
they're like the filmmakers reflecting on their past.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
But this is kind of like the imagining to that.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, like the present person is the younger version of
the person, right, But yeah, it's a very sweet movie
and it's.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I get out, okay. Next, talking coffee news. We've
talked about this a little before, the fruit coffee trend.
Remember we talked about banana.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I remember, oh, yes, I was thinking about the yes, yes,
the banana coffee. Well, it's exploding, this fruit trend. I
guess where else.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
San Francisco, of course, But let me just tell you
some of the things they're doing out there with our coffee.
Listen to what they're doing to our coffee.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Wasabi coffee.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm curious though, I'm crea.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Have you ever thought I like this coffee? But it
should be spicier and taste like horse radish.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
It should be insanely I wanted to clear my.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Right that said I would try that avocado coffee again.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Is it just like a smoothie, because that could be interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I'm interested in that too.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, because avocado doesn't have a very strong favor. It
could just make it creamy.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, yeah, it could be kind of a creamy non
dairy yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Addition, Jo Coffy would be pleased.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I might, I might enjoy.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That are delicious. I love avocato, Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I put so for my son.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I'll make a milkshake after school with ice cream but
also avocado.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Because he can't taste it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, and there's good fatty as you know, there's a
good fat in them. And I'll throw some other you know,
veggies in that he can't taste.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And so avocado is a very good like sneaky sneaky vega.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Olive coffee, olive oil they have lost absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I mean, I know olive oil cake is delicious, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Want oil in my coffee.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I made brownies with olive oil one time, like it
did not turn out very well.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I didn't. I didn't like it. Maybe I did a
bad job, but.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I don't want to oil in my coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
No, that's a hard pass.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, I also use I don't know if you know
you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
So I'm into skincare as well, and there's an ingredient
called squalane and it's you could you could source it
in multiple places from like shark fins and shark livers
illegal to olive oil.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Right, and yet that's what you said first.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
No, the squalene I use is derived from olive oil.
And so I cannot get past the idea of like
putting something on my face and in my coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, a little for you, a little for my hazeling.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
For my coffee. Lemon coffee a lot of acid involved.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, wouldn't it like kurdle the milk if you had milk.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Lemon is my favorite fruit flavor of anything. I love lemon,
but I can't imagine what it would do to coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
And not imagine let's stream.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, that's smoked apple coffee.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
What Yeah, so much going on?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So much going on apple?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Why are we smoking it? I know.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Uh huh yeah, okay, orange juice Americano immediately now, immediately, no,
no to the Americano, No to the oj again.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
The citrus and coffee, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I can't imagine citrus and coffee going.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Well, now you know what's weird. My husband loves like
orange and chocolate joins and chocolate.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yes, that works, so maybe, but it's it's chocolate and
coffee so similar that I mean, I guess there are.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
People think they're not beans.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah right, yeah, but I hate chocolate. Oh, I love
the shaming. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Side story, When I was growing up, my best friend's
brother couldn't drink lactose. And this is at a time
when we did not have all the options right, and
so one option was driving like an hour to a
farm to get goat milk, and so that wasn't possible
all the time. And so when the brother would he
was best friend with my brother, and so when he
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would sleep over, he would ask for cereal with orange juice.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Stop stop.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
And I remember many times I'm watching this young kid, no,
and I was like this, but even then I was like,
I realized he has no options.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But no, there's an option. You can eat cereal dry
with orange juice.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Right, even water, even water would be better than OJ
That's wild.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Makes me very uncomfortable. That's immediately what I thought of
when you.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Said, yeah, and that child grew up to be a
serial killer.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Okay, last talking coffee news item, how would you guys
feel about going into your favorite coffee shop in the
morning ten am? Say ten am and there's a DJ
playing a set.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
No, I want less noise in my life.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I want no noise.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I'm listening, I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Well, there's this apparently is a very hot trend in Austin,
Texas where they're hiring like the hot local DJs to
play at ten am at the coffee shop.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
For vibes, for vibes, is it a different vibe?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Like that's like it's a club vive too much, which
is weird. No, that's weird, but Austin's weird, and they
keep Boston weird.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
They want to keep it that way.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
And I love Austin, but like, dude, dude, no, no.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Although I am curious if you are there to stop
by and see what those vibes are like, like maybe
we're I'm just thinking of a terrible vibe and it's
like a good vibe.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
You know, sometimes you'll go into a hotel, like a
like a trendy hotel, like a w or something that's
like aimed at young people, and you walk in, you're
in the lobby and there's like club music.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's like and the like.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It's also ten in the morning.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
It's seven in the morning, and I'm just checking in
and it's club vibes. So I wonder if I'm just
too old for this and like this is appealing to
some younger people.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, well, I'm imagining.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
So last month you talked about an open position in
Texas to be a brand ambassador for.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
A million coffee.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
So I want the Chameleon coffee person. I want.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I imagine like a rom com in which the Chameleon
coffee person meets the DJ from this from this coffee place,
and they like meet the vibes.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Are good.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I had the best idea for a Hallmark movie.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So my husband and I over the weekends we watch
like Northwood's Law. Okay, this is like a fish and
game conservation officers and the stuff they encounter, Okay, okay,
So you know it seems up your alley, moves on
the side of the road, fishermen with a legal license,
you know, hunters with improperism.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
All that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Well, occasionally they'll find like a downed bird who needs
tending to and they take the bird to like a sanctuary.
And there was this one where like this officer was
going to this woman who cares for the birds, and
I'm like, oh my god, you guys, this is this
is a Hallmark movie in like a small New England town.
The local game warden and the woman who rescues hawks.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Fall in love.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
But where's the tension?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And there's some kind of tension.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
This career focused hawk hawk.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
She's going to get back to the big city Laune.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
She's just moved there. That's always that big.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
To care for her mom, who's not feeling well, and
so she's going to do the bird thing for a
little bit. But she's a big vet in the in
the city, okay, and that's where she's going.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
To get back to.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yes, it's abating all the birds from the tall buildings.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Exactly so, but is love enough to keep her in
this small New England town.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
You had me at Baby Boom.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, basically Baby boom. Okay, Well that's all the news
I've got for talking coffee.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
This is a good one, delightful.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I got a lot off my chest.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
This was a bit of a therapy Sash. Yeah, in
some ways. And you guys too. We really opened up
about her younger self.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
See what coffee can do.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I know, it's a real uniter. See what truth serum.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
It's truth. I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Caffeine or no caffeine or no, it's okay. I'm here
to tell you it's okay to go decaf.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I'll be the first.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I'll take the first step, and I'll end the stigma
and the silence by telling you I am I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You can walk on this journey with me.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
We support this.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
You're very blue.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, you guys are.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So You guys are so supportive. All right, that's it
for talking coffee.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Email us at off the Cup at gmail dot com.
If you have coffee news that I'm unaware of, good
luck good luck finding that.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
But no, I do want to hear it. And I
really want like.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Unpopular or controversial coffee opinions.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I love that because they're fun. Anytime we ask, like
when is ice coffee season. At the end of Off
the Cup and someone says something really weird, like seventy.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Two degrees, that was a fantastic answer.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
It's an amazing answer. Yeah, there's stuff I.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Don't even know about, So send them all in. I
can't wait to hear about him, and maybe on the
next Talking Coffee we'll talk about what you've all shared.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Lazy.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Thanks guys, Thanks Lauren, Thanks Derek, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Do you want to say that's all the news that's
fit to sip?
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Or is just it?
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Okay? You just just did it?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Did just did it.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as
part of the Reason Choice Network.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
If you want more, check out.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
The other Reason Choice podcasts, Politics.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
With Jamel Hill and Native Land pod.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
For Off the Cup, I am your host, Si Cup.
Editing and sound design by Derek Clements. Our executive producers
are Me, Si Cup, Lauren Hanson, and Lindsay Hoffman. Rate
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