December 15, 2025 • 46 mins
S.E. is back with her producers Lauren and Derrick to discuss all the news that's fit to sip, including an in-flight coffee controversy, celebrity coffee brands, how coffee can help blueberries last longer in the fridge, and the personality traits associated with French press coffee drinkers. But first, a mug triggers the realization of an important shared connection among the three pour-over pundits: a shared obsession with Disney's Aladdin.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to talking coffee, our chance to unwind.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Or amp up whatever, whatever. However you use.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The substance, the legal substance of coffee and caffeine. If
you use it to calm down, if you use it
to jolt and charge your.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Day, that's what we're here to do. So welcome to
talk and coffee.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm joined as usual by my uh wonderful producers, Lauren
and Derek.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
How are you guys? Good? Hello, Hello, cheers.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I have a full cup of ice me too, coffee
with me today?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Cheers Derek? Where's your coffee?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Well I just finished it, but it was hot and okay.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You do, Derek? Have we not? That's amazing? My Aladdin obsession?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Wait, I had an obsession.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No stop stop.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I also had a yeah. Well I think it was
very much are well, Derek, you are many years.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In your Lauren, I got into it like at a
very inappropriately old age.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Like totally. I was a teenager when it came out.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I requested the VHS tape got for Christmas and then
watched it a thousand times and the CD same sound
trame made it into my mixtapes.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I have the VHS tape in Italian I can't play
it here. I bought it in Italy.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can't play it here. Oh I've never seen it, but
I bought it. I mean I have a large Aladdin collection. Wow,
specifically Oh yeah, only Aladdin.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Aladdin.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I don't know why, but like you know, I went
to an all girls Catholic high school, and for some reason,
it was kind of cool to almost infantalize our.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Pop culture consumption.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Like we'd watch cartoons and then talk about them at school,
and you know, you had your like Beauty and the
Beast Girls and your little mermaid girls, and I was Aladdin.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And for some reason.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It wasn't weird that like all these sixteen year olds
were like really into Like in my English class, we
had to do a performed monologue.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I did it from Aladdin. Oh my god, what part?
What part?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So when he's up at the balcony trying to woo
her and the genius to be yourself?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah aggressive, be yourself, the.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Balcony scene, yourself, that balcony scene. Because you had to
pick three characters to change voices and do all three voices.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Wow, intense?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Is there take of this? I know I need to
see this.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I am well I need to show you on some
future episode my my now whittled down but still impressive
Aladdin Collection of Rebelia.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, well I need to see that. I need to
see a tape of that of that performance too.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh I wish I had.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I mean I Aladdin is a good movie, and I
think a big part of what makes it great is
Robin Williams.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I miss him so much.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I mean, he really added so much to that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's really incredible. And you're one hundred percent right, that
is why. And he was really one of the first
celebrity voices yea for these Disney movies, because.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Like Beauty in the Beast before I had.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
You know, Murder, she wrote, uh, Angela Lansbury. But like
Bell was not a famous voice, the Beast was not
a famous voice.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
This wasn't like a thing that was really done.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And wasn't Aladdin. Steve from Full House.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yes, the speaking the speaking talking voice of.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Voice, yes, yes, the speaking voice.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yeah, the singing voice with someone.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Else, with someone else.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And then Leo Salonga was the singing voice of Jazzmine. Yeah, incredible,
That's how I find out who she was. But it
was Robin Williams and and he improvised a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And then also I remember there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Were like some graphic innovations that were used in a
Latin for the first time, like the the lava cave
Cave of Wonders lava scene. Apparently that was like revolutionary animation.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah, very definitely.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I also found the music.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, yes, at that time, the power that Disney had
over our collective pop culture, Like you know, that's at
a time where like there everybody went to the movies,
you know, like it was just they were so powerful
that yes, it swept us teenagers in you it's a
little so true. It was like I feel like, I
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mean I had friends, you know, I'm sure everybody has
a friend like this where they're everybody where their parents
like introduced them to like really adult movies. Like my
best friend Molly always had like this amazing repertoire of
movies that she watched and knew, And I was like Aladdin,
like I was, you know, but like I also had
(05:10):
friends who were like that too, so it wasn't like
totally unique and weird.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well I'm glad to hear that. Like, I don't know why.
I always I was a little ashamed of this, I
don't know welcome to you know, because I didn't come
to it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At ten, I was like driving, okay, driving, just driving
myself to the movie theater.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So my life can be broken up into these like obsessions.
And the first one was Wizard of Oz when I
was very young, I just watched and over. And then
the next one was Aladdin, and I was still pretty young.
When I was like eight years old, I made an
Aladdin film club for my neighborhood, and I like, I
created like a printed newsletter and everything and like, oh.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
My god, amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
But then after that at the correct age, Yeah, but
but it continues because then at an older age, my
next obsession was Pixar Animation Studios, and I was obsessed
with Pixar. My favorite movie is was I don't know,
Toy Story two. That is like a movie that like
means a lot to me. And then it was Star
Wars after that, So like those are like my life,
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you know, it's all kind of yeah, I don't know
in a certain thing. But Aladdin is number two in
the sequence.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Wow, Well you know now that my son is of
an age and he's into Pixar movies and stuff. Yeah,
you know, it's fun to rewatch some of these with
him and get his take on whether they're like good
or not, you know, because he's of the like inside out,
inside out too right. But he grew up watching Toy
Story because I'd put it on all the time for him,
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even as a baby. So it's really fun to get
into all that stuff again. And then there are these
TikTok accounts that like rate all the best Disney or
Pixar movies, or like best villains or like best songs,
and so we watch those together.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's really fun, cute fun.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I love it. I love all that stuff. I love
watching movies with my kids. And now I already feel
like my ten year old is kind of like and
I was like, we haven't even grays the surface of
like the Disney vault, as they used to say.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You come in and out of the.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Vault, They're like, oh my god, I've got to get
this old movie.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I do remember. Do you guys remember this was a thing.
Remember when they had Disney stores? Yes, yeah, okay, what
I always wanted in most Yeah, you'd go in and
I don't know if you've seen this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They had it at Disney as well, you could buy cells.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
M oh, great picture cell, Yeah, from your favorite movie. Yeah,
and they're numbered almost like an art piece, and they'd bring.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
These out of the vault.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I kept waiting for a Laddin to come out
of the vault. And I never got an a Laddin cell.
I'm sure you could get one now for like five dollars,
but at the time they were like sort of expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
They were maybe like over one hundred dollars. They were framed.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I thought they were really cool and I would keep
waiting for them to come out of the cell and
be in the stores.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But I never got one. Tragedy. It was a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I'll have to look for some Uh, Okay, Well
I loved this trip down.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, we can talk about Aladdin Agroba Lane. I loved it,
solid love it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And we'll have to get into it again because I
want to show you some of my things.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Oh, yes, absolutely, they're deep in the basement.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh, I know, they should be on your back shelf
over there.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was looking to see if I had anything Aladdin
up here.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Do we need an Aladdin pod? A spinoff podcast?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Breakout?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, Derek, Derek do it.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Do it? I do it. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I need to bring something up here. I must represent somehow,
but this is I'm telling you. I'm like ashamed of it,
but maybe no more. Okay, let's get into some talking coffee.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Hot coffee got.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Derailed by by Derek's awesome mug. Related it was really,
it was related, dish. Okay, I want to start. Just
we're coming up on the holidays, and I'm just curious,
do you guys do any holiday coffee drinks?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
No, I mean a lot of coffee at my parents' house.
My parents also take coffee very seriously, and they have
a very fancy coffee maker that is like you're in
your own little coffee store. You've got to like fill
the thing with the freshly ground coffee, and it's like
it's a little bit of like a science thing that
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my dad had become obsessed with. It's very finicky and
takes like I need like training every time I go
yeah yeah, but it is really special and like Ronnie
and I will really over caffey while we're there, So
just that is really fun, especially because we don't have
a coffee maker here right now. So I'm well, I
am enjoying me ice coffee situation. I'm excited to have,
(10:08):
like the really thoughtfully grand situation.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Love that. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I have only been drinking coffee for a few years,
and so in terms of how many holidays I have
had with coffee, it's not that many. So I haven't
Maybe this is the year that I start doing some coffee. Yeah,
all any things, although I will say I was walking
past a Starbucks yesterday and there was a sign that
said eggnog coffee, and I was not going to buy anything,
(10:37):
and I was not gonna buy that, but I was
very curious, and so I went in and I said
sorry to just like, I'm not going to buy something
that I just want to ask, is is this is
this good? Is the eggnog coffee latte good? And the
worker was like, well, it's not. It's not currently very popular,
(11:02):
and what from I haven't had it, but from what
I hear, it's not very good.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So funny. I love that you were so curious as
to ask.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna pop in and ask, just
be a journalist right now, exactly what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It sounds, it sounds.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Gross, it does but it's sort of it sounds gross,
it's sort of intriguing to me. But I feel like
that just I don't know, there's something about the like
would it be just really watery?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I don't know. It just seems like the flavors would
not match too, Yeah, seems.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And the consistencies right, because you know, we've talked about
this before, like if you're not expecting a banana in
your coffee, right, like a banana smoothie coffee, Like if
you're not expecting a thickness, yes, which I imagine like eggnog
is a thick drink, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Coffee is not. Do they meet in the middle.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Well, and you'd have to put a lot of eggnog
in there to even have the latte be the consistency
of eggnog, because correct, I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It must just be though a fake, a flavored version
of eggnog, which is then just like what is even
the point?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You're right, but even then you're still I'm imagining when
you when that eggnog flavor hits, you're still going to
be thinking this.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Should be thick.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a consistency problem.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I might experiment at home.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I might I would love to know, because I like eggnog.
Means once a year, do you make it?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I do once a year make it? I mean why
buy it? Okay about some buy it?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
People make it? I don't know. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I guess you get it at the grocery store, right,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
My grocery store. And I add rum and nutmeg and yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I've seen recipes for eggnog and it's like real eggs,
Like a lot of recipes is like it's it kind
of scares me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It feels like something I don't want to know what's
in it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, you don't want to look directly at that process.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, just pick it off the shelf, ask no questions.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Imagine there's no eggs in this whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
The more I know, the less I'm gonna want to.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I went to the farther away grocery store a week
or two ago to get eggnog, though, because the one
closer doesn't didn't have it this year. But the I
forget the brand. But it's like the it's like black,
it's like country something.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Does that ring a bill? What's the bag? The best
eggnog brand?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I think I just get hood Ooh what, I've never
heard of that the milk milk brand hood Hood. He's
not from New England.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I'm not from New England. I'm from California. It's fine,
you didn't grow up with, didn't come. No, Southern Comfort
is the brand I'm thinking of for eggnog.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's my favorite alcohol brand.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Oh see, I didn't even know Derek.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Alcohol.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So that's their branded version of eggnog, which which makes sense.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, that's probably why you can't get it at the grocery.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
But it's not alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Oh really, that's it?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well yeah of course, yeah right, but maybe soco. So
you've not heard of like a soca and lime.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Oh no, I haven't, but okay, interesting yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So wait, Essie, do you have holiday coffee traditions?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Not really.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I I avoid like the peppermint oka.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's not me.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I did one year try the Dunk sugar plum machiato.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It was football.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It was purple. It's really pretty m but tasted nothing
like coffee. It was a delicious berry kind of flavor drink.
It didn't taste it all like coffee, and I don't
even know if they still do it, so I don't
do those, but I will do around the holidays, I
will do an eggnog, which is not coffee related, but
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I'll do a Bailey's coffee like Bailey's.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And coffee oh, because it's a nice.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like a again, an upper and a downer. It's just
a nice way to, like, you know, writen up your coffee.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I tried. I went to this fantastic restaurant in DC
when I was there over Thanksgiving, which I'm going to
forget the name of. It's like Indian street food, and
they had a version of espresso martini that was based
on chai.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yes, and.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It was disgusting, but I think it's also like I
would not like the espresso martini and I really regretted
getting it, but I drank it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so I love an espresso martini, but I like
it with tequila. I love chai, love chai, but I
might would I want vodka and my chi Probably not,
probably not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I think it was the other vodka.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
It's just it was try instead of espresso. It sounds
like something yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And like and much more interesting than I could even convey.
You know, it's like a fancy restaurants, so they're doing
things that are like so thoughtful and creative and yeah,
and I was like, oh, let me try this because
I was also like really tired. Yeah right, and then
the whole time, I was like, I gotta finish this
fifteen dollars drink.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right moving on, I this is so funny because I
was reading something unrelated and this came up. Famous celebrities
(16:38):
who have their own coffee brand?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
You see this every now and then? Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You'd be surprised how many, Like I think, it's not
surprising when you hear like another celebrity has a liquor brand,
Tiquila brand of Akaber, you know, but you'd be surprised
how many celebrities have their own coffee. Yeah, you might
not even know it. Can you think of any.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I could just like rattle celebrities on the top of
my head, but I've none that are connected to.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Coffee, Lauren, we have discussed a.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Pop culture product several times on this show. Mm hmm,
that's memorable for coffee scenes?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh friends coffee related? Nope, nope, you.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Specifically Oh oh uh twin peaks.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yes, so McLaughlin Nile.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Nope. Did David Lynch have it? Yeah he did?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh really David Lynch us. And it's called the David
Lynch Signature Organic Coffee. Wow, that's genius.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
And now it's in his honor.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, I would get that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Hugh Jackman has Caught Laughing Man coffee. Emma Chamberlain has
Chamberlain Coffee. The band Green Day has Oakland Coffee Works.
Snoop Dogg has coffee called Indo x y Z Coffee.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I don't know if I'm saying that right.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Sophia Virgara has coffee it's called Doo.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
We talked about an athlete that had who we did?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
We did? I remember he was a basketball player. Yeah,
very fan. Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, Tom Hanks has a coffee called Hanks for our
Troops where.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
The proceeds go to troops.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
M Millie Bobby Brown has Florence by Mills. Might the
stranger thing, Yeah, she might have too many the stranger
the stranger thing. She's a stranger thing. Yeah, but the
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weirdest one. And this is how I got here. Rudy Coffee,
Like the movie is Sean Assen it is not Okay,
that's exactly what I thought too. Yeah, it's so much worse.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
No, it's Juliani.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Oh yeah, he launched Rudy Coffee in May twenty twenty four,
was bro and had to file for bankruptcy, so he
launched this.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
But listen to this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So he gets this one hundred and forty eight million
defamation suit against him, and like all these criminal indictments, right,
has to file for bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Can't work as a lawyer, Right disbarred. So he opens
this Rudy Coffee.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But the brand, the roaster he uses is the Miami
based Burke Brands, known for Don Pablo coffee, which also
happens to be in bankruptcy.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
For Sea, it's just a theme. Makes coffee taste better
when you're desperate.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Purchasing the coffee supports truth, just us an American democracy.
What reception to the coffee has not been good? Coffee
Review gave the Fighting for Justice Bold Coffee, Oh God,
a low rating, describing describing it as acrid, harsh, and
a burnt vegetable compost.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Cop Oh so it's autobiographical.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
There's some bias in there, But yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I hear.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Rudy's Coffee is the number one coffee of the four Seasons.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Amazing, exclusively the coffee of four Seasons. Yeah, listen, good
good luck, good luck, good luck, good luck to them.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Okay, I have a great one.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
This is so great.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think we're going to get really personal and intimate here. Okay,
let's do it.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Psychology says people who make their coffee in a French
press have eight distinct traits.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Derek, this is for you.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I know you don't always do French press. Well, I
never do French press. I don't have you.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
You don't have Lauren.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Do you ever do French press?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yes, we're currently doing French press.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay, when I get ready.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
When I have the time, Yeah, get ready to be analyzed.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, exciting.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, the rest of the world rushes for instant coffee fixes.
There's a fascinating subset of people that's you, Lauren, who
deliberately choose the four minute French press ritual, and psychology
reveals they share eight surprising personality.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Traits that set them apart right hit me Science.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
One.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
They value process over speed. This writer says it's akin
to when I cooked dinner from scratch most nights, finding
it meditative and creative. There's something deeply satisfying about taking
the long route when you could easily take a shortcut.
These individuals tend to enjoy the journey as much as
the destination.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Are we describing you, Lauren?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I mean, French press is not like it truthfully is
not necessarily my go to. But I am not someone
who needs coffee the moment I open my eyes. My
husband is that way, yes, and so I do like
the process. I like having something to look forward to.
I get very excited about, like knowing that that is steeping.
My problem is that, like I haven't quite figured out
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the measurement, so.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Like, oh okay.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Each day it's like, what's this going to taste?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Like yeah, oh okay, this this deals with that a
little bit. So the second trait is their detail oriented perfectionists.
The water temperature needs to be just right, the grind
size matters, the coffee to water ratio is crucial. Even
the storing technique can affect the final cup. These are
the folks who proofread emails three times, organize their spice
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racks alphabetically, and yes, probably have strong opinions about the
optimal steeping time.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm for their coffee, I.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Would say yes, and no, definitely read over my emails
a lot. Yeah, but I don't have all the accouture
months for making this perfect, so I am guessing for sure.
But we once came across this like reel on Instagram
from the New York Times of like this is the
best way to do the French press. So then we
(23:21):
were instituting that, and it required letting it sit for
some matter of minutes, which now I've forgotten, but it's
like five minutes, four minutes, and then you stir it
so that brings the grains down and this sort of
like famish layer on top that you actually scoop out,
scoop that foam out, and then you let it sit
for another five minutes or so. All the while you
(23:44):
never put the top on, so like all this heat
is escaping, which I was kind of confused about. But anyway,
I still do that system.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's like when someone is like this is the way,
I'm like, okay, I.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Will all this blow.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
There resist conformity.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
In a world dominated by carrigs and coffee shop chains,
choosing a French press is almost rebellious. Psychology research on
consumer behavior reveals that people who opt for less convenient
but more authentic experiences often score higher on measure of
measures of independence and self direction. They're not swayed by
trends or what everyone else is doing.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, I love that for me. I can't realize that true.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Someone said something fascinating.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Oh sorry, go ahead ahead, no, go ahead, No, just
about like conformity, That about like the trials and tribulations
of being so addicted to the internet and needing to
find answers through the internet. That someone was like, I
feel paralyzed by fashion. I used to be so inventive
about what I wear, and now I need to google
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what does a forty five year old wear to work?
And like take inspiration that way. And I laugh at
that sometimes because I do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, oh man, anyway, going.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
No, I'm just trying to think if I've done that
recently in some way, I'm not sure, let me think
about it. They're sensory focused individuals. The French press experience
engages all the senses. The sound of water boiling, the
aroma of freshly ground beans, the visual of the bloom
as hot water meets coffee, the tactile sensation of pressing
down the plunger. I relate this to my own photography walks,
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where I slow down and notice details I'd normally rush past.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean, that would be nice, except that our mornings
are completely bananas and hectic and crant is just like
things flying all over the place. Yeah, because I'm relaxing,
taking a moment.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Except I do. You're not noticing the bloom.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm not noticing the bloom. I do sit down with
the coffee like I don't. I don't stand like when
I actually make the French Press. I will then join
a child at the table and sit with my coffee.
And that, like first sip, is like amazing a child,
a child, one of them, someone's at the table, all
of them.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
They have strong environmental values.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
French press users often cite environmental reasons for their choice.
No pods, no filters, no waste beyond coffee grounds that
can be composted.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
They're likely to bring reusable.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Bags the grocery store, choice products with minimum packaging, and yes,
brew their coffee in a way that minimizes waste.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well, that's true, although I oh, well that is part
of the reason we don't have a cure ig.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yes, okay, they're creative problem solvers.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Ooh, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Making French press coffee requires adaptation. Water too hot, wait
a minute, grind to course, adjust next time, running late, Well,
you'll have to problem solve that one. Studies in cognitive
flexibility show that people who regularly engage in activities requiring
adjustment and experimentation develop stronger creative problem solving skills. They're
comfortable with trial and error and view mistakes as learning opportunities.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Sounds like you. I love that for me.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, it's someone that is what you're doing with you,
Lauren for many years. Yes, that sounds a lot like
you for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, oh, thanks Derek.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They cultivate mindful rituals. French press coffee isn't something you
can do on autopilot. The process demands presence. You can't
multitask your way through it unless you're Lauren like you
might want with a drip machine. This forced mindfulness is
actually a feature, not a bug, for many French press enthusiasts,
and research on ritual behavior shows that people who maintain
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mindful daily rituals report lower stress and higher overall well being.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
M I mean, that's as I said before the chaos
of the morning doesn't allow for mindfulness, but again that's
seated for a sip of coffee. Is my only moment
for like in this moment.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Finally, they're confident in their preferences. Perhaps most tellingly, French
Press users don't apologize for their choice. They know it
takes longer, they know it's more involved. They've heard all
the arguments for convenience, and they've decided this is how
they like their coffee.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, my alternative is a little pour over situation. So
I don't mind a slow a slow coffee.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I mean a whole subset, a subset of people, according.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
To they go find my French Press people.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like this feels anthropological, like it is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Although I feel like that's one of those things where
you can kind of just be like, this is something
that takes long.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So yeah, right right, exactly right, No, you.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Must be okay.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Next coffee story, tear war at thirty thousand feet an
in flight coffee nightmare.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh god, this is really funny.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
A TikTok user named Ozon scenting Kaya posted a forty
five second clip making espresso at thirty five thousand feet.
In the video, he can be seen with a vcuum
sealed bag of eighteen grams of gesha, which he then
hand grinds.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Seated in economy okay, loads.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
It into a handless horta filter type thing, tamps it
with a tamper, and then there's a app enabled Sarah
Plus portable espresso maker, and he pulls the shot in
that thing, but like from his phone, and then he
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tracks the shot progress on the app in his phone,
which means he had to bring another piece of equipment
to film it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, watching it at right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Of the over two thousand comments on the video with
over one point seven million times viewed so far, most
are not kind. They include some combination of the words performative, insufferable,
or final.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Boss, which I guess is a compliment.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Ye right, for sure.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Performative though because he's literally doing it performing for TikTok.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yes, yes, and the plane everyone else who's there, right.
The person who wrote about this said, Uh, he's doing
too much. Don't make your love of coffee someone else's problem.
And in closed quarters in the economy section of an aircraft,
it's everybody's problem.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
If you've got no neighbors. The flight's empty, that's a
different situation. But he says, the true enlightened coffee enthusiast
is the one who has learned to appreciate bad airplane coffee.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
No, okay, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, you've lost us now, he says.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
If you love if your love of coffee means that
you have to brew a gesha when you fly, then
you're loving coffee all wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
John's very okay.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I want to know what harm was done to the
other passengers, because I to me, I draw the line
at risk of spilling. If you're gonna risk spilling ground
or water, then yes, that is a nuisance.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
But who doesn't want the.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Aroma of my yeah, my more my whole Mormon family
who never drinks coffee loves walking down a coffee aisle,
you know, like who need like the.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Smell unless Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Maybe it was noisy. Maybe I don't know, it appeared
to be in the day.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
But like his elbows are getting in the way.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, there's a lot going on on his little table there.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But I think it actually sounds kind of lovely, Like right,
what a way to customize and upgrade your in flight experience.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, and it's an act of resistance because, as really
has talked about, airplane coffee is so bad.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
It's like, you gotta this is something.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And some flights are taking your coffee away.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
As long as as long as this is authentic to him,
Like if he's just like, this is an experiment that
I'm going to do for TikTok, I find that really
dull and uninteresting. But if this is something that he
does every time he flies because he can't not have it,
and then someone's like you should put this on TikTok,
I'd be like, tut up, I like that. Yeah, but
(32:19):
I also did I once used to do this little
podcast of my mind called This Week I learned, and
I'm not going to remember all of this, but there
was something about why people order tomato juice on planes. Oh,
and there's something about the altitude that changes your taste,
and so I'd be curious if you had like really
good coffee, if it tastes even better, Which makes me
(32:43):
feel like maybe he is of the latter you know,
section of like he's always been doing this and now
he's putting on TikTok right, Wow, maybe he's onto something.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Okay, this one's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Prepared linked to stronger bones and older women, while coffee
made pose risks.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Oh no, it's another health study.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's another health scare.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
It's another health suggest for women. Why yeah, of course,
of course, naturally, Well, at least they're studying us, ladies,
They are studying us.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
They are studying the shit out of us. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
This research, published in the journal Nutrients, followed nearly ten
thousand women aged sixty five and older over a decade
to explore whether their daily habits of sipping coffee or
tea were linked to changes in bone mineral density or
be empty, a key indicator of osteoporosis risk. Until now,
evidence has been mixed. Few studies have tracked these relationships,
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but over ten years, participants reported their coffee and tea
consumption while researchers measured their bone.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Density, and the study found the.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Tea drinkers had a slightly higher total hip BMD compared
to non tea drinkers. Overall, moderate coffee consumption about two
to three cups per day did not appear to harm
bone health However, drinking more than five cups daily was
linked to lower BMD, suggesting that excessive intake may be detrimental.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I just think drinking more than five cups a
day would make everything worse.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Yeah, I was gonna say five, that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's indicating something else. And didn't you didn't you find
another study that was like four is the max?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
One should have? We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Which is a lot, a lot of coffee, which is
a lot. If you're having five or more, I think
you might have an addictive personality problem.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And I would expect a lot of things are going
wrong with your body.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yes, yeah, after sixty five having five cups of coffee
a day.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Why do you mean to stay so alert?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeahs as calm down?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, so I put I'm putting very little stock in this.
But yes, you know, good to be aware of it.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I yes.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Next story, coffee scraps help blueberries stay fresher for longer. Okay,
it's a lot to unpack here. First of all, I
buy blueberries pretty regularly.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You're delicious.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I love them, but I also don't judge me. I
give them to my dog. My dog loves them, and
they're good any antioxidants. They're good for my dog. My
dog is a very diverse diet and she likes blue
ray so I buy them often. And it's true. They
don't last long, you know, two days later, three four
days later, there's mold at the bottom, or they're wrinkly
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and shriveled or mealyon, gross and mushy. And it's true.
So that is a real thing. They're known for perishing quickly.
But now a team of chemical engineers from some Australian
university are working on slowing that decline. They've developed an
edible film made from coffee waste that could help preserve
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the freshness of delicate fruits like blueberries by reducing how
much water seeps in or out. So they've created a
polysaccharide based coating that you'd like spray on your fruit.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Oh my gosh, that's all fruit.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That it's like a water vapor barrier, and it contains
cellulose nanofibers derived from used coffee grounds and grape seed
oil and they help create a tighter, more interconnected network,
making it hard for water molecules to migrate through the
grape seed oil being water repellent, further reduces the film's
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affinity for moisture, and it leads to a food film
that's still clear and see through, while also having an
improved mechanical strength.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Fascinating, and you can just safety hument okay, safety eat.
So this is like in the making.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
They haven't been able to make it and produce some
kind of like shelf stable biable version, but they're in
the labs.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Okay, okay, it's coming.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Does it make the blueberries taste like coffee a little?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I wonder? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It says it provides a gentle edible skin in the
form of a spray coating or a packaging film that
preserves freshness. So I guess you could use it as
a packaging film and it's not on the fruit. Oh,
is another version that they're they're experimenting with, but that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Someone once I can forget where I was, but came
to my house with strawberries and made a point of saying,
I'm not going to wash these until we're ready to
eat them. Yeah, because that will, like whatever came with
the grocery will make it last longer.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Is that preservatives and whatever should they put on it?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, interesting science.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Science.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, this last story is kind of fun. Twenty eight
year old woman spent six thousand dollars on an airstream
trailer and turned it into a coffee shop that's now
bringing in half a million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Damn girl.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
When Avery Amstutz saw her neighbor selling a nineteen seventy
three airstream trailer on Facebook, she knew she'd spotted her
next business opportunity. She just wasn't sure what kind of
business it would be. The Memphis, Tennessee based serial entrepreneur
bought the fifty year old trailer using six thousand dollars
from the profits of her other business ventures. At the time,
she was a destination wedding photographer who owned a photography
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studio available for rent and had a mobile cocktail trailer
that could be hired for private parties.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Cute.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
She launched Byway Coffee, a mobile coffee shop that now
pops up daily at locations throughout Memphis, and over the
next year brought in more than five hundred thousand dollars
in total revenue, including over four hundred thousand in net sales.
It's been profitable since day one, sold the cocktail trailer.
Stepping back from the wedding photography. This is our full
(39:04):
time business.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Now, Wow, airstreams coffee trailer.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I love an airstream. They're so cute. I'm curious what
her coffee like setup is. It must be good, she said,
it's good.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
She said she had never operated an espresso machine, so
she hired people who knew how to make good cups
of coffee because she just didn't know, and she didn't
know what equipment she needed. And she says there are
challenges like when you're a mobile business. I'm sure this
is true for anything mobile. You're at a location, you
don't know what the mean the needs and demands are
going to be from that particular crowd, that particular day. Yeah,
(39:38):
so you kind of have to in terms of inventory.
You know, you over stock, but you don't want to
overstock where you're spending and wasting money, So you just
kind of have to like.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Roll roll with it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Talk about me intlexible, Yeah exactly, but it just sounds
so fun.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That sounds so fun, Yeah, very cute. Yeah, I have
to look her up.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I went to a music festival and they had all
these you know, mobile food trucks and stuff, and there was
this one adorable little like hatch, like old school hatch situation,
and they were selling pies out of it, and I
was like, I love this whole setup. It was like
a cute all papered inside and so tiny and like
(40:21):
just little slices of pine.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
It was so good vibe.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
That sounds like a rom com premise for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I know, right, that definitely sounds like a good idea.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yes, I was at a well, I was at a
live BattleBots show, okay, would have been a match.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Hold on, is this like?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Is this like an AI the movie, the Spielberg movie AI,
where like the robots fight each other to the death.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Well, I haven't seen that movie, but I mean, have
you seen televised BattleBots?
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Oh, it's nationally televised on like the Oak Show or
something like that, where, yeah, these robot designers make robots
with like extensions and things that can crush the other
robot and all kinds of things, and then they fight
it out in a ring, a glass enclosed ring, and
then you know, they move up through the playoff levels
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and stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
The children yearn for gladiator style death matches and see
what happens in Ai By the way, the movie AI.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Oh, okay, when I tell you I felt very out
of place here. Okay, I felt very out of place here.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So did Hailey Joel Osman in the movie AI.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Oh did he?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
My son and like eight of his little friends wanted
to go to this And there happens to be this
battle bot warehouse whatever in the town over from us. Amazing,
so you buy tickets once a month they put on
this live show and there's food trucks outside.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, point of a story, right, food trucks.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I went out at some point out of boredom
to look at the food trucks and they had a poutine.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
You guys, starving and just thinking it was fish. I
love poutine, but like it was delicious.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I got a They had a Philly cheesesteak poutine.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Y oh my god. It was so good, so good.
I didn't want to leave. I'm like, when are we
coming back?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I need more battle bots and definitely situation now.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Yeah, wife Canadians.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
She has introduced me to the wonders of poutine and yes,
it's fantastic, although she I don't know she would like
that She's very like dogmatic when it comes to yeah, yeah,
like the gravy type of gravy.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yes, I like respect that.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, are bastardized americanized you know version of.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Were those Canadian? Did they say?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I don't know where they were from, but like it
was a great addition to the y to the menu. Amazing.
That sounds good because I didn't really want like, you know,
the usual fair It was delicious yum.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Anyway, Okay, that's it for talking coffee.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Thanks so fun.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So this is the last talking coffee of the year,
but we've got lots more off the Cup.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Before the year is out.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
We've got some more talking politics that you won't want
to miss. Don't we have a special off the cop.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Oh, yes, we have a very special New Year's Eve
coffee compilation.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Amanatcha?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
What is it? Lauren?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Okay, So, if you are followers of the show, you
will know that Sie ends each off the Cup conversation
with one very important question, which.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Is when is a nice coffee season?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yes, and we have found that that is so revealing.
And I have to say, having just put this together,
it is so fun going through this. You would think
that hearing that question over and over would be like repetitive,
but like the answers are so funny and it's just
like just really fun. It's like a twenty minute situation
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coming out the I think New Year's Eve Day.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
And if you listen, longtime listeners will remember we did
something similar last year last year, but.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Now we have so many more to pick from. Like
when we did that last year, we only had three
months of content.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
We have a full year. This is all of twenty
twenty five. It's very love it and it's good to
remember our guests.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, and it still astounds me how that question is
answered so uniquely. It's like people answer it so differently,
and I just it's very fun.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, it opens for some people.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
It seems to open a door to like what do
you want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
What do you want to come on your mind?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Because then someone will be like, well I had to
quit coffee a couple of years ago. Why, or like, oh,
so I'm in menopause, I can't drink beverages. You know,
like you know, you you confess a lot when you
answer that question.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, it's so fun. I would love to hear people
if they want to write in or whatever. Let us
know who their favorites are.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Good.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
My favorite is Jamel Hill. Oh my god, it made
me laugh out loud.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I don't even remember that. I don't answer.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, excited. That's great. Okay, Well, so definitely be on
the lookout for that.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
And as always, if you want to write in to
talk about coffee, politics, mental health, whatevs. It's Off the Cup.
Cup with two p's at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Awesome fun. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
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Speaker 2 (46:02):
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Welcome to talking coffee, our chance to unwind.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Or amp up whatever, whatever. However you use.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The substance, the legal substance of coffee and caffeine. If
you use it to calm down, if you use it
to jolt and charge your.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Day, that's what we're here to do. So welcome to
talk and coffee.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm joined as usual by my uh wonderful producers, Lauren
and Derek.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
How are you guys? Good? Hello, Hello, cheers.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I have a full cup of ice me too, coffee
with me today?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Cheers Derek? Where's your coffee?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Well I just finished it, but it was hot and okay.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You do, Derek? Have we not? That's amazing? My Aladdin obsession?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Wait, I had an obsession.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No stop stop.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I also had a yeah. Well I think it was
very much are well, Derek, you are many years.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In your Lauren, I got into it like at a
very inappropriately old age.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Like totally. I was a teenager when it came out.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I requested the VHS tape got for Christmas and then
watched it a thousand times and the CD same sound
trame made it into my mixtapes.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I have the VHS tape in Italian I can't play
it here. I bought it in Italy.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can't play it here. Oh I've never seen it, but
I bought it. I mean I have a large Aladdin collection. Wow,
specifically Oh yeah, only Aladdin.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Aladdin.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I don't know why, but like you know, I went
to an all girls Catholic high school, and for some reason,
it was kind of cool to almost infantalize our.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Pop culture consumption.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Like we'd watch cartoons and then talk about them at school,
and you know, you had your like Beauty and the
Beast Girls and your little mermaid girls, and I was Aladdin.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And for some reason.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It wasn't weird that like all these sixteen year olds
were like really into Like in my English class, we
had to do a performed monologue.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I did it from Aladdin. Oh my god, what part?
What part?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So when he's up at the balcony trying to woo
her and the genius to be yourself?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah aggressive, be yourself, the.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Balcony scene, yourself, that balcony scene. Because you had to
pick three characters to change voices and do all three voices.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Wow, intense?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Is there take of this? I know I need to
see this.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I am well I need to show you on some
future episode my my now whittled down but still impressive
Aladdin Collection of Rebelia.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, well I need to see that. I need to
see a tape of that of that performance too.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh I wish I had.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I mean I Aladdin is a good movie, and I
think a big part of what makes it great is
Robin Williams.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I miss him so much.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I mean, he really added so much to that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's really incredible. And you're one hundred percent right, that
is why. And he was really one of the first
celebrity voices yea for these Disney movies, because.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Like Beauty in the Beast before I had.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
You know, Murder, she wrote, uh, Angela Lansbury. But like
Bell was not a famous voice, the Beast was not
a famous voice.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
This wasn't like a thing that was really done.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And wasn't Aladdin. Steve from Full House.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yes, the speaking the speaking talking voice of.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Voice, yes, yes, the speaking voice.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yeah, the singing voice with someone.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Else, with someone else.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And then Leo Salonga was the singing voice of Jazzmine. Yeah, incredible,
That's how I find out who she was. But it
was Robin Williams and and he improvised a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And then also I remember there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Were like some graphic innovations that were used in a
Latin for the first time, like the the lava cave
Cave of Wonders lava scene. Apparently that was like revolutionary animation.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah, very definitely.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I also found the music.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, yes, at that time, the power that Disney had
over our collective pop culture, Like you know, that's at
a time where like there everybody went to the movies,
you know, like it was just they were so powerful
that yes, it swept us teenagers in you it's a
little so true. It was like I feel like, I
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mean I had friends, you know, I'm sure everybody has
a friend like this where they're everybody where their parents
like introduced them to like really adult movies. Like my
best friend Molly always had like this amazing repertoire of
movies that she watched and knew, And I was like Aladdin,
like I was, you know, but like I also had
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friends who were like that too, so it wasn't like
totally unique and weird.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well I'm glad to hear that. Like, I don't know why.
I always I was a little ashamed of this, I
don't know welcome to you know, because I didn't come
to it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At ten, I was like driving, okay, driving, just driving
myself to the movie theater.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So my life can be broken up into these like obsessions.
And the first one was Wizard of Oz when I
was very young, I just watched and over. And then
the next one was Aladdin, and I was still pretty young.
When I was like eight years old, I made an
Aladdin film club for my neighborhood, and I like, I
created like a printed newsletter and everything and like, oh.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
My god, amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
But then after that at the correct age, Yeah, but
but it continues because then at an older age, my
next obsession was Pixar Animation Studios, and I was obsessed
with Pixar. My favorite movie is was I don't know,
Toy Story two. That is like a movie that like
means a lot to me. And then it was Star
Wars after that, So like those are like my life,
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you know, it's all kind of yeah, I don't know
in a certain thing. But Aladdin is number two in
the sequence.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Wow, Well you know now that my son is of
an age and he's into Pixar movies and stuff. Yeah,
you know, it's fun to rewatch some of these with
him and get his take on whether they're like good
or not, you know, because he's of the like inside out,
inside out too right. But he grew up watching Toy
Story because I'd put it on all the time for him,
(06:46):
even as a baby. So it's really fun to get
into all that stuff again. And then there are these
TikTok accounts that like rate all the best Disney or
Pixar movies, or like best villains or like best songs,
and so we watch those together.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's really fun, cute fun.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I love it. I love all that stuff. I love
watching movies with my kids. And now I already feel
like my ten year old is kind of like and
I was like, we haven't even grays the surface of
like the Disney vault, as they used to say.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You come in and out of the.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Vault, They're like, oh my god, I've got to get
this old movie.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I do remember. Do you guys remember this was a thing.
Remember when they had Disney stores? Yes, yeah, okay, what
I always wanted in most Yeah, you'd go in and
I don't know if you've seen this.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They had it at Disney as well, you could buy cells.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
M oh, great picture cell, Yeah, from your favorite movie. Yeah,
and they're numbered almost like an art piece, and they'd bring.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
These out of the vault.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I kept waiting for a Laddin to come out
of the vault. And I never got an a Laddin cell.
I'm sure you could get one now for like five dollars,
but at the time they were like sort of expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
They were maybe like over one hundred dollars. They were framed.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I thought they were really cool and I would keep
waiting for them to come out of the cell and
be in the stores.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But I never got one. Tragedy. It was a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I'll have to look for some Uh, Okay, Well
I loved this trip down.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, we can talk about Aladdin Agroba Lane. I loved it,
solid love it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And we'll have to get into it again because I
want to show you some of my things.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Oh, yes, absolutely, they're deep in the basement.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh, I know, they should be on your back shelf
over there.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was looking to see if I had anything Aladdin
up here.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Do we need an Aladdin pod? A spinoff podcast?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Breakout?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, Derek, Derek do it.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Do it? I do it. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I need to bring something up here. I must represent somehow,
but this is I'm telling you. I'm like ashamed of it,
but maybe no more. Okay, let's get into some talking coffee.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Hot coffee got.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Derailed by by Derek's awesome mug. Related it was really,
it was related, dish. Okay, I want to start. Just
we're coming up on the holidays, and I'm just curious,
do you guys do any holiday coffee drinks?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
No, I mean a lot of coffee at my parents' house.
My parents also take coffee very seriously, and they have
a very fancy coffee maker that is like you're in
your own little coffee store. You've got to like fill
the thing with the freshly ground coffee, and it's like
it's a little bit of like a science thing that
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my dad had become obsessed with. It's very finicky and
takes like I need like training every time I go
yeah yeah, but it is really special and like Ronnie
and I will really over caffey while we're there, So
just that is really fun, especially because we don't have
a coffee maker here right now. So I'm well, I
am enjoying me ice coffee situation. I'm excited to have,
(10:08):
like the really thoughtfully grand situation.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Love that. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I have only been drinking coffee for a few years,
and so in terms of how many holidays I have
had with coffee, it's not that many. So I haven't
Maybe this is the year that I start doing some coffee. Yeah,
all any things, although I will say I was walking
past a Starbucks yesterday and there was a sign that
said eggnog coffee, and I was not going to buy anything,
(10:37):
and I was not gonna buy that, but I was
very curious, and so I went in and I said
sorry to just like, I'm not going to buy something
that I just want to ask, is is this is
this good? Is the eggnog coffee latte good? And the
worker was like, well, it's not. It's not currently very popular,
(11:02):
and what from I haven't had it, but from what
I hear, it's not very good.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So funny. I love that you were so curious as
to ask.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna pop in and ask, just
be a journalist right now, exactly what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It sounds, it sounds.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Gross, it does but it's sort of it sounds gross,
it's sort of intriguing to me. But I feel like
that just I don't know, there's something about the like
would it be just really watery?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I don't know. It just seems like the flavors would
not match too, Yeah, seems.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And the consistencies right, because you know, we've talked about
this before, like if you're not expecting a banana in
your coffee, right, like a banana smoothie coffee, Like if
you're not expecting a thickness, yes, which I imagine like eggnog
is a thick drink, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Coffee is not. Do they meet in the middle.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Well, and you'd have to put a lot of eggnog
in there to even have the latte be the consistency
of eggnog, because correct, I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It must just be though a fake, a flavored version
of eggnog, which is then just like what is even
the point?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You're right, but even then you're still I'm imagining when
you when that eggnog flavor hits, you're still going to
be thinking this.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Should be thick.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a consistency problem.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I might experiment at home.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I might I would love to know, because I like eggnog.
Means once a year, do you make it?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I do once a year make it? I mean why
buy it? Okay about some buy it?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
People make it? I don't know. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I guess you get it at the grocery store, right,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
My grocery store. And I add rum and nutmeg and yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I've seen recipes for eggnog and it's like real eggs,
Like a lot of recipes is like it's it kind
of scares me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It feels like something I don't want to know what's
in it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, you don't want to look directly at that process.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, just pick it off the shelf, ask no questions.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Imagine there's no eggs in this whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
The more I know, the less I'm gonna want to.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I went to the farther away grocery store a week
or two ago to get eggnog, though, because the one
closer doesn't didn't have it this year. But the I
forget the brand. But it's like the it's like black,
it's like country something.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Does that ring a bill? What's the bag? The best
eggnog brand?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I think I just get hood Ooh what, I've never
heard of that the milk milk brand hood Hood. He's
not from New England.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I'm not from New England. I'm from California. It's fine,
you didn't grow up with, didn't come. No, Southern Comfort
is the brand I'm thinking of for eggnog.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's my favorite alcohol brand.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Oh see, I didn't even know Derek.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Alcohol.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So that's their branded version of eggnog, which which makes sense.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, that's probably why you can't get it at the grocery.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
But it's not alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Oh really, that's it?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well yeah of course, yeah right, but maybe soco. So
you've not heard of like a soca and lime.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Oh no, I haven't, but okay, interesting yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So wait, Essie, do you have holiday coffee traditions?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Not really.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I I avoid like the peppermint oka.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's not me.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I did one year try the Dunk sugar plum machiato.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It was football.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It was purple. It's really pretty m but tasted nothing
like coffee. It was a delicious berry kind of flavor drink.
It didn't taste it all like coffee, and I don't
even know if they still do it, so I don't
do those, but I will do around the holidays, I
will do an eggnog, which is not coffee related, but
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I'll do a Bailey's coffee like Bailey's.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And coffee oh, because it's a nice.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like a again, an upper and a downer. It's just
a nice way to, like, you know, writen up your coffee.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I tried. I went to this fantastic restaurant in DC
when I was there over Thanksgiving, which I'm going to
forget the name of. It's like Indian street food, and
they had a version of espresso martini that was based
on chai.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yes, and.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It was disgusting, but I think it's also like I
would not like the espresso martini and I really regretted
getting it, but I drank it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so I love an espresso martini, but I like
it with tequila. I love chai, love chai, but I
might would I want vodka and my chi Probably not,
probably not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I think it was the other vodka.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
It's just it was try instead of espresso. It sounds
like something yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And like and much more interesting than I could even convey.
You know, it's like a fancy restaurants, so they're doing
things that are like so thoughtful and creative and yeah,
and I was like, oh, let me try this because
I was also like really tired. Yeah right, and then
the whole time, I was like, I gotta finish this
fifteen dollars drink.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right moving on, I this is so funny because I
was reading something unrelated and this came up. Famous celebrities
(16:38):
who have their own coffee brand?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
You see this every now and then? Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You'd be surprised how many, Like I think, it's not
surprising when you hear like another celebrity has a liquor brand,
Tiquila brand of Akaber, you know, but you'd be surprised
how many celebrities have their own coffee. Yeah, you might
not even know it. Can you think of any.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I could just like rattle celebrities on the top of
my head, but I've none that are connected to.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Coffee, Lauren, we have discussed a.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Pop culture product several times on this show. Mm hmm,
that's memorable for coffee scenes?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh friends coffee related? Nope, nope, you.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Specifically Oh oh uh twin peaks.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yes, so McLaughlin Nile.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Nope. Did David Lynch have it? Yeah he did?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh really David Lynch us. And it's called the David
Lynch Signature Organic Coffee. Wow, that's genius.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
And now it's in his honor.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, I would get that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Hugh Jackman has Caught Laughing Man coffee. Emma Chamberlain has
Chamberlain Coffee. The band Green Day has Oakland Coffee Works.
Snoop Dogg has coffee called Indo x y Z Coffee.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I don't know if I'm saying that right.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Sophia Virgara has coffee it's called Doo.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
We talked about an athlete that had who we did?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
We did? I remember he was a basketball player. Yeah,
very fan. Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, Tom Hanks has a coffee called Hanks for our
Troops where.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
The proceeds go to troops.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
M Millie Bobby Brown has Florence by Mills. Might the
stranger thing, Yeah, she might have too many the stranger
the stranger thing. She's a stranger thing. Yeah, but the
(18:54):
weirdest one. And this is how I got here. Rudy Coffee,
Like the movie is Sean Assen it is not Okay,
that's exactly what I thought too. Yeah, it's so much worse.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
No, it's Juliani.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Oh yeah, he launched Rudy Coffee in May twenty twenty four,
was bro and had to file for bankruptcy, so he
launched this.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
But listen to this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So he gets this one hundred and forty eight million
defamation suit against him, and like all these criminal indictments, right,
has to file for bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Can't work as a lawyer, Right disbarred. So he opens
this Rudy Coffee.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But the brand, the roaster he uses is the Miami
based Burke Brands, known for Don Pablo coffee, which also
happens to be in bankruptcy.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
For Sea, it's just a theme. Makes coffee taste better
when you're desperate.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Purchasing the coffee supports truth, just us an American democracy.
What reception to the coffee has not been good? Coffee
Review gave the Fighting for Justice Bold Coffee, Oh God,
a low rating, describing describing it as acrid, harsh, and
a burnt vegetable compost.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Cop Oh so it's autobiographical.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
There's some bias in there, But yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I hear.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Rudy's Coffee is the number one coffee of the four Seasons.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Amazing, exclusively the coffee of four Seasons. Yeah, listen, good
good luck, good luck, good luck, good luck to them.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Okay, I have a great one.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
This is so great.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think we're going to get really personal and intimate here. Okay,
let's do it.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Psychology says people who make their coffee in a French
press have eight distinct traits.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Derek, this is for you.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I know you don't always do French press. Well, I
never do French press. I don't have you.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
You don't have Lauren.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Do you ever do French press?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yes, we're currently doing French press.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay, when I get ready.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
When I have the time, Yeah, get ready to be analyzed.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, exciting.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, the rest of the world rushes for instant coffee fixes.
There's a fascinating subset of people that's you, Lauren, who
deliberately choose the four minute French press ritual, and psychology
reveals they share eight surprising personality.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Traits that set them apart right hit me Science.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
One.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
They value process over speed. This writer says it's akin
to when I cooked dinner from scratch most nights, finding
it meditative and creative. There's something deeply satisfying about taking
the long route when you could easily take a shortcut.
These individuals tend to enjoy the journey as much as
the destination.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Are we describing you, Lauren?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I mean, French press is not like it truthfully is
not necessarily my go to. But I am not someone
who needs coffee the moment I open my eyes. My
husband is that way, yes, and so I do like
the process. I like having something to look forward to.
I get very excited about, like knowing that that is steeping.
My problem is that, like I haven't quite figured out
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the measurement, so.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Like, oh okay.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Each day it's like, what's this going to taste?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Like yeah, oh okay, this this deals with that a
little bit. So the second trait is their detail oriented perfectionists.
The water temperature needs to be just right, the grind
size matters, the coffee to water ratio is crucial. Even
the storing technique can affect the final cup. These are
the folks who proofread emails three times, organize their spice
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racks alphabetically, and yes, probably have strong opinions about the
optimal steeping time.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm for their coffee, I.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Would say yes, and no, definitely read over my emails
a lot. Yeah, but I don't have all the accouture
months for making this perfect, so I am guessing for sure.
But we once came across this like reel on Instagram
from the New York Times of like this is the
best way to do the French press. So then we
(23:21):
were instituting that, and it required letting it sit for
some matter of minutes, which now I've forgotten, but it's
like five minutes, four minutes, and then you stir it
so that brings the grains down and this sort of
like famish layer on top that you actually scoop out,
scoop that foam out, and then you let it sit
for another five minutes or so. All the while you
(23:44):
never put the top on, so like all this heat
is escaping, which I was kind of confused about. But anyway,
I still do that system.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's like when someone is like this is the way,
I'm like, okay, I.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Will all this blow.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
There resist conformity.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
In a world dominated by carrigs and coffee shop chains,
choosing a French press is almost rebellious. Psychology research on
consumer behavior reveals that people who opt for less convenient
but more authentic experiences often score higher on measure of
measures of independence and self direction. They're not swayed by
trends or what everyone else is doing.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, I love that for me. I can't realize that true.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Someone said something fascinating.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Oh sorry, go ahead ahead, no, go ahead, No, just
about like conformity, That about like the trials and tribulations
of being so addicted to the internet and needing to
find answers through the internet. That someone was like, I
feel paralyzed by fashion. I used to be so inventive
about what I wear, and now I need to google
(24:49):
what does a forty five year old wear to work?
And like take inspiration that way. And I laugh at
that sometimes because I do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, oh man, anyway, going.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
No, I'm just trying to think if I've done that
recently in some way, I'm not sure, let me think
about it. They're sensory focused individuals. The French press experience
engages all the senses. The sound of water boiling, the
aroma of freshly ground beans, the visual of the bloom
as hot water meets coffee, the tactile sensation of pressing
down the plunger. I relate this to my own photography walks,
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where I slow down and notice details I'd normally rush past.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean, that would be nice, except that our mornings
are completely bananas and hectic and crant is just like
things flying all over the place. Yeah, because I'm relaxing,
taking a moment.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Except I do. You're not noticing the bloom.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm not noticing the bloom. I do sit down with
the coffee like I don't. I don't stand like when
I actually make the French Press. I will then join
a child at the table and sit with my coffee.
And that, like first sip, is like amazing a child,
a child, one of them, someone's at the table, all
of them.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
They have strong environmental values.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
French press users often cite environmental reasons for their choice.
No pods, no filters, no waste beyond coffee grounds that
can be composted.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
They're likely to bring reusable.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Bags the grocery store, choice products with minimum packaging, and yes,
brew their coffee in a way that minimizes waste.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well, that's true, although I oh, well that is part
of the reason we don't have a cure ig.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yes, okay, they're creative problem solvers.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Ooh, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Making French press coffee requires adaptation. Water too hot, wait
a minute, grind to course, adjust next time, running late, Well,
you'll have to problem solve that one. Studies in cognitive
flexibility show that people who regularly engage in activities requiring
adjustment and experimentation develop stronger creative problem solving skills. They're
comfortable with trial and error and view mistakes as learning opportunities.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Sounds like you. I love that for me.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, it's someone that is what you're doing with you,
Lauren for many years. Yes, that sounds a lot like
you for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, oh, thanks Derek.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They cultivate mindful rituals. French press coffee isn't something you
can do on autopilot. The process demands presence. You can't
multitask your way through it unless you're Lauren like you
might want with a drip machine. This forced mindfulness is
actually a feature, not a bug, for many French press enthusiasts,
and research on ritual behavior shows that people who maintain
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mindful daily rituals report lower stress and higher overall well being.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
M I mean, that's as I said before the chaos
of the morning doesn't allow for mindfulness, but again that's
seated for a sip of coffee. Is my only moment
for like in this moment.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Finally, they're confident in their preferences. Perhaps most tellingly, French
Press users don't apologize for their choice. They know it
takes longer, they know it's more involved. They've heard all
the arguments for convenience, and they've decided this is how
they like their coffee.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, my alternative is a little pour over situation. So
I don't mind a slow a slow coffee.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I mean a whole subset, a subset of people, according.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
To they go find my French Press people.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like this feels anthropological, like it is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Although I feel like that's one of those things where
you can kind of just be like, this is something
that takes long.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So yeah, right right, exactly right, No, you.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Must be okay.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Next coffee story, tear war at thirty thousand feet an
in flight coffee nightmare.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh god, this is really funny.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
A TikTok user named Ozon scenting Kaya posted a forty
five second clip making espresso at thirty five thousand feet.
In the video, he can be seen with a vcuum
sealed bag of eighteen grams of gesha, which he then
hand grinds.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Seated in economy okay, loads.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
It into a handless horta filter type thing, tamps it
with a tamper, and then there's a app enabled Sarah
Plus portable espresso maker, and he pulls the shot in
that thing, but like from his phone, and then he
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tracks the shot progress on the app in his phone,
which means he had to bring another piece of equipment
to film it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, watching it at right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Of the over two thousand comments on the video with
over one point seven million times viewed so far, most
are not kind. They include some combination of the words performative, insufferable,
or final.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Boss, which I guess is a compliment.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Ye right, for sure.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Performative though because he's literally doing it performing for TikTok.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yes, yes, and the plane everyone else who's there, right.
The person who wrote about this said, Uh, he's doing
too much. Don't make your love of coffee someone else's problem.
And in closed quarters in the economy section of an aircraft,
it's everybody's problem.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
If you've got no neighbors. The flight's empty, that's a
different situation. But he says, the true enlightened coffee enthusiast
is the one who has learned to appreciate bad airplane coffee.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
No, okay, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, you've lost us now, he says.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
If you love if your love of coffee means that
you have to brew a gesha when you fly, then
you're loving coffee all wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
John's very okay.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I want to know what harm was done to the
other passengers, because I to me, I draw the line
at risk of spilling. If you're gonna risk spilling ground
or water, then yes, that is a nuisance.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
But who doesn't want the.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Aroma of my yeah, my more my whole Mormon family
who never drinks coffee loves walking down a coffee aisle,
you know, like who need like the.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Smell unless Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Maybe it was noisy. Maybe I don't know, it appeared
to be in the day.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
But like his elbows are getting in the way.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, there's a lot going on on his little table there.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But I think it actually sounds kind of lovely, Like right,
what a way to customize and upgrade your in flight experience.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, and it's an act of resistance because, as really
has talked about, airplane coffee is so bad.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
It's like, you gotta this is something.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And some flights are taking your coffee away.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
As long as as long as this is authentic to him,
Like if he's just like, this is an experiment that
I'm going to do for TikTok, I find that really
dull and uninteresting. But if this is something that he
does every time he flies because he can't not have it,
and then someone's like you should put this on TikTok,
I'd be like, tut up, I like that. Yeah, but
(32:19):
I also did I once used to do this little
podcast of my mind called This Week I learned, and
I'm not going to remember all of this, but there
was something about why people order tomato juice on planes. Oh,
and there's something about the altitude that changes your taste,
and so I'd be curious if you had like really
good coffee, if it tastes even better, Which makes me
(32:43):
feel like maybe he is of the latter you know,
section of like he's always been doing this and now
he's putting on TikTok right, Wow, maybe he's onto something.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Okay, this one's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Prepared linked to stronger bones and older women, while coffee
made pose risks.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Oh no, it's another health study.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's another health scare.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
It's another health suggest for women. Why yeah, of course,
of course, naturally, Well, at least they're studying us, ladies,
They are studying us.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
They are studying the shit out of us. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
This research, published in the journal Nutrients, followed nearly ten
thousand women aged sixty five and older over a decade
to explore whether their daily habits of sipping coffee or
tea were linked to changes in bone mineral density or
be empty, a key indicator of osteoporosis risk. Until now,
evidence has been mixed. Few studies have tracked these relationships,
(33:51):
but over ten years, participants reported their coffee and tea
consumption while researchers measured their bone.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Density, and the study found the.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Tea drinkers had a slightly higher total hip BMD compared
to non tea drinkers. Overall, moderate coffee consumption about two
to three cups per day did not appear to harm
bone health However, drinking more than five cups daily was
linked to lower BMD, suggesting that excessive intake may be detrimental.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I just think drinking more than five cups a
day would make everything worse.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Yeah, I was gonna say five, that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's indicating something else. And didn't you didn't you find
another study that was like four is the max?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
One should have? We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Which is a lot, a lot of coffee, which is
a lot. If you're having five or more, I think
you might have an addictive personality problem.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And I would expect a lot of things are going
wrong with your body.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yes, yeah, after sixty five having five cups of coffee
a day.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Why do you mean to stay so alert?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeahs as calm down?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, so I put I'm putting very little stock in this.
But yes, you know, good to be aware of it.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I yes.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Next story, coffee scraps help blueberries stay fresher for longer. Okay,
it's a lot to unpack here. First of all, I
buy blueberries pretty regularly.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You're delicious.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I love them, but I also don't judge me. I
give them to my dog. My dog loves them, and
they're good any antioxidants. They're good for my dog. My
dog is a very diverse diet and she likes blue
ray so I buy them often. And it's true. They
don't last long, you know, two days later, three four
days later, there's mold at the bottom, or they're wrinkly
(35:43):
and shriveled or mealyon, gross and mushy. And it's true.
So that is a real thing. They're known for perishing quickly.
But now a team of chemical engineers from some Australian
university are working on slowing that decline. They've developed an
edible film made from coffee waste that could help preserve
(36:05):
the freshness of delicate fruits like blueberries by reducing how
much water seeps in or out. So they've created a
polysaccharide based coating that you'd like spray on your fruit.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Oh my gosh, that's all fruit.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That it's like a water vapor barrier, and it contains
cellulose nanofibers derived from used coffee grounds and grape seed
oil and they help create a tighter, more interconnected network,
making it hard for water molecules to migrate through the
grape seed oil being water repellent, further reduces the film's
(36:44):
affinity for moisture, and it leads to a food film
that's still clear and see through, while also having an
improved mechanical strength.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Fascinating, and you can just safety hument okay, safety eat.
So this is like in the making.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
They haven't been able to make it and produce some
kind of like shelf stable biable version, but they're in
the labs.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Okay, okay, it's coming.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Does it make the blueberries taste like coffee a little?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I wonder? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It says it provides a gentle edible skin in the
form of a spray coating or a packaging film that
preserves freshness. So I guess you could use it as
a packaging film and it's not on the fruit. Oh,
is another version that they're they're experimenting with, but that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Someone once I can forget where I was, but came
to my house with strawberries and made a point of saying,
I'm not going to wash these until we're ready to
eat them. Yeah, because that will, like whatever came with
the grocery will make it last longer.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Is that preservatives and whatever should they put on it?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, interesting science.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Science.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, this last story is kind of fun. Twenty eight
year old woman spent six thousand dollars on an airstream
trailer and turned it into a coffee shop that's now
bringing in half a million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Damn girl.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
When Avery Amstutz saw her neighbor selling a nineteen seventy
three airstream trailer on Facebook, she knew she'd spotted her
next business opportunity. She just wasn't sure what kind of
business it would be. The Memphis, Tennessee based serial entrepreneur
bought the fifty year old trailer using six thousand dollars
from the profits of her other business ventures. At the time,
she was a destination wedding photographer who owned a photography
(38:37):
studio available for rent and had a mobile cocktail trailer
that could be hired for private parties.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Cute.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
She launched Byway Coffee, a mobile coffee shop that now
pops up daily at locations throughout Memphis, and over the
next year brought in more than five hundred thousand dollars
in total revenue, including over four hundred thousand in net sales.
It's been profitable since day one, sold the cocktail trailer.
Stepping back from the wedding photography. This is our full
(39:04):
time business.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Now, Wow, airstreams coffee trailer.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I love an airstream. They're so cute. I'm curious what
her coffee like setup is. It must be good, she said,
it's good.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
She said she had never operated an espresso machine, so
she hired people who knew how to make good cups
of coffee because she just didn't know, and she didn't
know what equipment she needed. And she says there are
challenges like when you're a mobile business. I'm sure this
is true for anything mobile. You're at a location, you
don't know what the mean the needs and demands are
going to be from that particular crowd, that particular day. Yeah,
(39:38):
so you kind of have to in terms of inventory.
You know, you over stock, but you don't want to
overstock where you're spending and wasting money, So you just
kind of have to like.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Roll roll with it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Talk about me intlexible, Yeah exactly, but it just sounds
so fun.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That sounds so fun, Yeah, very cute. Yeah, I have
to look her up.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I went to a music festival and they had all
these you know, mobile food trucks and stuff, and there was
this one adorable little like hatch, like old school hatch situation,
and they were selling pies out of it, and I
was like, I love this whole setup. It was like
a cute all papered inside and so tiny and like
(40:21):
just little slices of pine.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
It was so good vibe.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
That sounds like a rom com premise for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I know, right, that definitely sounds like a good idea.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yes, I was at a well, I was at a
live BattleBots show, okay, would have been a match.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Hold on, is this like?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Is this like an AI the movie, the Spielberg movie AI,
where like the robots fight each other to the death.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Well, I haven't seen that movie, but I mean, have
you seen televised BattleBots?
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Oh, it's nationally televised on like the Oak Show or
something like that, where, yeah, these robot designers make robots
with like extensions and things that can crush the other
robot and all kinds of things, and then they fight
it out in a ring, a glass enclosed ring, and
then you know, they move up through the playoff levels
(41:16):
and stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
The children yearn for gladiator style death matches and see
what happens in Ai By the way, the movie AI.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Oh, okay, when I tell you I felt very out
of place here. Okay, I felt very out of place here.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So did Hailey Joel Osman in the movie AI.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Oh did he?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
My son and like eight of his little friends wanted
to go to this And there happens to be this
battle bot warehouse whatever in the town over from us. Amazing,
so you buy tickets once a month they put on
this live show and there's food trucks outside.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, point of a story, right, food trucks.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I went out at some point out of boredom
to look at the food trucks and they had a poutine.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
You guys, starving and just thinking it was fish. I
love poutine, but like it was delicious.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I got a They had a Philly cheesesteak poutine.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Y oh my god. It was so good, so good.
I didn't want to leave. I'm like, when are we
coming back?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I need more battle bots and definitely situation now.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Yeah, wife Canadians.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
She has introduced me to the wonders of poutine and yes,
it's fantastic, although she I don't know she would like
that She's very like dogmatic when it comes to yeah, yeah,
like the gravy type of gravy.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yes, I like respect that.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, are bastardized americanized you know version of.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Were those Canadian? Did they say?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I don't know where they were from, but like it
was a great addition to the y to the menu. Amazing.
That sounds good because I didn't really want like, you know,
the usual fair It was delicious yum.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Anyway, Okay, that's it for talking coffee.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Thanks so fun.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So this is the last talking coffee of the year,
but we've got lots more off the Cup.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Before the year is out.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
We've got some more talking politics that you won't want
to miss. Don't we have a special off the cop.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Oh, yes, we have a very special New Year's Eve
coffee compilation.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Amanatcha?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
What is it? Lauren?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Okay, So, if you are followers of the show, you
will know that Sie ends each off the Cup conversation
with one very important question, which.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Is when is a nice coffee season?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yes, and we have found that that is so revealing.
And I have to say, having just put this together,
it is so fun going through this. You would think
that hearing that question over and over would be like repetitive,
but like the answers are so funny and it's just
like just really fun. It's like a twenty minute situation
(44:24):
coming out the I think New Year's Eve Day.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
And if you listen, longtime listeners will remember we did
something similar last year last year, but.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Now we have so many more to pick from. Like
when we did that last year, we only had three
months of content.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
We have a full year. This is all of twenty
twenty five. It's very love it and it's good to
remember our guests.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, and it still astounds me how that question is
answered so uniquely. It's like people answer it so differently,
and I just it's very fun.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, it opens for some people.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
It seems to open a door to like what do
you want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
What do you want to come on your mind?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Because then someone will be like, well I had to
quit coffee a couple of years ago. Why, or like, oh,
so I'm in menopause, I can't drink beverages. You know,
like you know, you you confess a lot when you
answer that question.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, it's so fun. I would love to hear people
if they want to write in or whatever. Let us
know who their favorites are.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Good.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
My favorite is Jamel Hill. Oh my god, it made
me laugh out loud.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I don't even remember that. I don't answer.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, excited. That's great. Okay, Well, so definitely be on
the lookout for that.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
And as always, if you want to write in to
talk about coffee, politics, mental health, whatevs. It's Off the Cup.
Cup with two p's at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Awesome fun. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
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Speaker 2 (46:02):
If you want more, check out the other Reason.
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