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Speaker 3 (00:18):
I accidentally discovered my mother in law's affair and I
can't keep quiet about it.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, accidents do you happen?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
I work at my husband's family business that builds custom homes.
I met my mother in law when she came into
the design firm I worked at to pick out some
options for a client. She and I hit it off,
and after she'd come in a few times, she set
me up with her son. By the way, this comes
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So fast forward seven years and I coordinate all the

(00:48):
builds and consult with clients on design for the fifty
plus year old family business. My mother in law is
technically my boss, but we operate a lot like equals,
and she's been taking some steps back. She and I
have always gone along great, and she has felt like
the mother I never got to have growing up. So
last Friday, I was packing up to go home and
was on the phone with my husband before he got

(01:08):
a flight for an annual weekend away with friends. I
was distracted and accidentally grabbed my mother in law's computer
instead of mine.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
How do you accidentally do that?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
She was like, I don't know. They looked the same,
and then I accidentally hacked into her computer, all pure accident.
I didn't realize it until I was home and went
to look up some fixtures for a project in our house.
Once I knew, I texted her to let her know
to what. She said, no worries. She was unplugging this
weekend anyway, and told me to do whatever I needed

(01:38):
on it. I was just browsing and unintentionally clicked on
a linked email on a store's contact page, and as
a lot of Apple users know, that will usually pop
up to send an email using your default mail app.
I closed the draft, and when I went to close
her email app, I saw an email from a recently
hired apprentice titled are we can get Away Itinerary?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I froze.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I realized this was her personal email, and I couldn't
help myself but to click on it. I found both
explicit and romantic messages between this twenty two year old
male apprentice and my married forty seven year old mother
in law and boss. I slammed the computer shot and
just went to bed, staring at the ceiling for quite
a while.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I mean, what do you do? Just imagine just saying no,
what have I done?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
My husband was gone all weekend and only got home today.
I've been spiraling all weekend on how to handle this.
I certainly wasn't going to bring it up to my
husband while he was gone, but I went to the
office and had to see my mother in law yesterday.
I could barely keep my composure. I found every excuse
to lock myself away in my office and be busy.
Now my husband is back, and I'm wondering what to do.

(02:46):
Do I tell him? How do I even do that?
Do I go to his mom and confront her? Do
I go to his dad and tell him help? And
there are some comments and an update, But what do
you think Gopie should do this?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Is between you and your mother in law for now.
For now you found you know, you got to confront
her and be like, what is this, you know, and
then have her come clean ycause this is her mess.
You don't want to make things messier than it should.
I did see that comment there which I was going
to say, anyway, you need proof, Yeah, you need that.
That's you can't.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Just just got all the emails.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I know it's the computer. Well you never know when
they can delete it. That she could have deleted it,
who knows, or hide it somewhere else. So you yourself
need to you know, need to prove that you know,
accidentally stumble on the proof again.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, or like take pictures, screenshots and stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Something like that. Or record yeah, or record I know
that's like one of the one of like the stickier ones,
but yeah, you know, record you confronting her and if
she admits it, here you go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Comment was says if you're going to tell your husband,
bring proof, right, REPLI says, screenshot everything. If you're tech
savvy enough, screenshot on the laptop, open a private browser
to email them to yourself, Delete the screenshots and delete
them from the trash. Otherwise, just use your phone to
take tell your husband. He's gonna know something is off
with you, and you'll worry yourself sick you don't tell him.
Is there a chance your mother in law and father

(04:07):
in law have an open relationship. Your options would be
to hire a private detective, or inform the mother in
law and get her to come clean, or inform the
father in law so he can decide how to move forward,
or do nothing. Opie says there's no chance they have
an open relationship. My father in law was cheated on
in a serious relationship with someone he thought he would marry,
and it crushed him. He has always preached loyalty and

(04:28):
monogamy in relationships to my husband since he was a teen.
A reply says, if you admit to seeing it accident
or not, she's going to say you snooped and get
mad at you.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Shut the f up.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Act like I know nothing about anything I haven't been
told about, and be surprised when someone says something you
know nothing, Swallow it like an adult, or risk being
the one who blew it all up to I disagree
so strong, terrible comment. You didn't their actions did, but
they could blame you. I've been in both positions before
and trust the truth will come out, but it doesn't

(04:58):
have to be through you not saying keep a known secret,
but you weren't supposed to have the computer or click
on personal stuff accident or not to her, you snooped.
I totally would want to do the right thing and
let them know. But you can say stuff to her
to swear her without letting everyone know you saw what
you did, Like, hey, I know he knows you're married,
but have you seen.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
How he looks at you?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is that appropriate or whatever fits If you notice something
inappropriate that maybe before you chalked it up to being
a small business or whatever. That's a tough choice, though,
good luck in whichever way you choose. And another reply
that says, frankly, I would ignore it. It's none of
your business, even if she is your mother.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
These these people, you guys are supporting cheating. It seems
like you guys support cheating. This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It does seem like that. I mean, like, yeah, it's
not Ope's fault or anything, but it's her mother in
law who she has like a really close relationship to,
and also her husband.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, her mom, Like, yeah, this is something you don't
keep under wraps for very long.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
That's also how you know betrayed? What the like the
husband feel if you found out that she knew? You say,
there's no way they have an open relationship, But you
can't know what goes on between them, so ignore it.
It's not your responsibility to tell anyone. I so strongly disagree.
Compartmentalize work from family and forget you even saw it?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
How do you even how do you do that? How
do you realiz? Do you just have like a forget switch?
Did you not hear what Opie said? Like I can
barely like look at her?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's insane. That's a terrible comment.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Everyone knows I'm going to be off. Two back to
back bad comments. Oo.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Also, what if your positions were reversed and you were
in her position? Again, none of your business?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
What is that comment? Those are stupid comments. Those are
stupid comments. Those people definitely support cheating.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, yikes, yikes, I wow, there is an update.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Usually we don't get many stupid comments.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
But those were like three back to back stupid comments.
Uh that I just wholeheartedly disagree with.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Ah, you snooped, it's your fault? Yeah? What Sorry that
someone got caught cheating. That's sorry that I called them cheating. What.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
No, Honestly, I feel like, in my opinion, your your
choices are either talk to your husband or talk to
your mother in law.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Go to the source, talk to your mother in law
and be like you come out with this like you
know I yeah, yeah, like I know what's going on.
Tell me what's going on, and then we go from there.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah. I shouldn't have been surprised by the amount of
people who told me to keep it to myself and
that I was in the wrong for snooping.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, I shouldn't have opened the email, but I did.
So here we are, and here's an update. My husband
knew something was wrong after he got home. He can
read me like a book. I mean, you know, like,
how do you even keep.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
That a secret? Yeah, everyone's like keep it a secret.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I told him I found out something I shouldn't have
and told him everything. He was mortified, but as someone said,
he's glad I told him because keeping it from him
would have been worse. He knew more about that apprentice
than I did. He was the son of a family
friend and she's known him since he was a teenager. Oh, weirdo,
really bad. That sounds like grooming. That's messed up.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
We don't like groom.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Hiring him was a favor to said friend. My husband
said he wanted to take him from there, which he did.
He went stooping on his own. The computer is company
property and he has ownership in it as well, and
can log in remotely at any time. He took screenshots
of emails going back with the apprentice over a year
before he worked here. Then he found ones with someone
else that were two years old. He also found records

(08:22):
of a second phone and hotel reservations. With all that,
he took it to his dad. I don't know how
that conversation went, but I do know that they went
to get him tested. To add insult to his injury.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
He tested positive. To all those people who said, oh,
don't tell, Yeah, like this.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Is why you do tell. I loved to people can
get STDs. There are so many different things, like health concerns.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I want to know your reasonings, like don't tell, it's
not your business.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I think it's absolutely ridiculous to not inform people about
cheating when you know about it. Yeah, because like things
like this, things like this where people can get it, you.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Know, diseases not just an affection. Yeah, the emotional hurt,
but the actual physical, the.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Physical problems that can happen. My father in law joined
us for dinner instead of going home, and we talked
for quite a while. He was like a heartbroken teenager.
He had no idea what was happening. But years ago
he had suspicions of her talking to other men. He
didn't have any proof, though, and they dropped it after
a brief fight. But now with undeniable proof of multiple affairs,

(09:26):
he said it's over. He also has a pretty airtight
prenup that should make it a pretty easy divorce on paper.
The family business is on his side, and in the
case of infidelity, she forfeits all ownership of the business
and the house they built together. So I'm sorry to
break it to you, but coming clean didn't destroy my
marriage or my career.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Also great prena, yeah, I told my husband.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Mostly because we don't keep secrets from each other. It's
a foundation of our marriage. But it's almost like reasonable
adults put blame only where it's deserved on the cheater.
My father in law is pissed and simultaneously devastated, and
plans to get his ducks in a row.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Before serving her with papers. And update two.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
My father in law did end up confronting my mother
in law shortly after my post. He brought the proof
that my husband found his positive STI results, a copy
of their prenup and the divorce papers from what he
told us when he came over for dinner after he
was calm and just laid it out all on the
table literally. She obviously knew she was caught and just
asked how he found out. He said it wasn't important

(10:23):
and outlined what the next steps would look like. He
was willing to make some concessions on their prenup if
she would come clean about everything and step down quietly
from the family business.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Ziba went, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I think he was so hurt by it all, and
he loved her so much that he just wanted this
to be done and over and he did still want
to care for her. She fought for a bit, but
relented so the divorce should go smoothly. She stepped down
willingly from the business and moved out, but he did
offer spouse to support and their vacation home which she
moved into. Both things that were not included in the prenup,

(10:56):
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Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's just like this.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Just go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts or iHeartRadio and search
of Pokey story time Easy. But there is a wee
bit left to the story. Do you have any final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Crazy that with through all the muck and the you know,
the vial here, he gave her a vacation home.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, like, still still being very kind.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Also, he must have a lot of money to just
be like, you can have the vacation. I think so.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I think they presumably the family business seems like it's
pretty successful.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'm sorry if I've found someone cheating on me, they're
not getting anything, getting nothing.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
My father in law spent a lot of time at
our house or going out with my husband, golfing or hiking.
He's heartbroken and worried that it's all going a little
too smooth, that you will suddenly change her attitude. But
I personally think she knows she got caught and messed up,
past any fixing it. I'm struggling to come to terms
with that version of her versus the one I got
to know and love. But there's nothing I can do

(11:55):
but be there for my father in law and husband.
The two are really leaning on each other, which is
heartwarming for me to see. She reached out to me
to apologize for putting me in the position and hopes
we can still have a relationship. So at some point
she found out that he found out from me. I
told her not right now, but I don't know what
will happen in the future. My husband is my number
one priority right now, and that is the end of

(12:16):
that story.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
My sister scheduled her wedding on my son's birthday and
she wants us to choose her.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well, maybe your son shouldn't have been born on that day.
Poor planning.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
My husband's sister got engaged in July twenty twenty four.
We got excited for her our only son's birthday. Her
nephew's birthday is on the twenty fifth of April twenty
twenty five. As it is a Friday, we had planned
to do a combined birthday party, christening a naming ceremony
on the twenty sixth of April to allow people to
attend without taking a day off. However, in November twenty
twenty four, my sister in law told my husband and

(12:50):
I that she was getting married on the twenty sixth
of April. By the way, this comes from user silly
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So we told her that it was tricky because it
was around his birthday and we had plans. She told
us we were effectively stupid because she only gets married
once and her nephew's first birthday meant nothing to her.

(13:11):
She said we were effectively stupid because of other family
members were born on Christmas Eve and they had no
problems with that. She also pointed out that one of
her cousins shares a birthday with their son, but that
means it's okay for two things to be on the
same day. She said, we were crazy because it's not
like she's getting married on his actual birthday, as the
day she plans to marry was the day after his
actual birthday, so she probably maybe even took it into consideration.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I feel like, yeah, she's like, I'm not even gonna
get married on.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
His birthday, Like I know whose day was yesterday? And
we were at a party in the twenty fifth and
then the wedding day is gonna be the party for
that day, and then we're all gonna celebrate on the
twenty seventh. We explained our reasoning for the Saturday date.
She then said she spoke to the venue and they
would allow her to move her date to the next weekend.
But then she came back and said that actually she
wouldn't move it because international guests had already booked their tickets.

(13:57):
It turns out she had set a date in June,
booked venues, and sorted everything out. Plus guests had booked
tickets four months before she told us anything. We told
her we wished we could attend her whole wedding, but
because it's a milestone birthday, the first birthday following a
traumatic birth and pregnancy, I have previous miscarriage, we really
wanted to press ahead with our plans. We told her
we'd do our event in the morning and join her

(14:20):
in the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I kind of think you're the able here be I
don't know, like, I don't know if maybe you guys
will disagree with us, But I why it's not on
his actual birthday.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, it's not the act.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Just do it on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
What is one more day.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
It's your sister in law's wedding. Come on the day.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Weddings don't happen like you. Sure you can renew your vows,
but weddings only do happen once a last if you
get divorced. Yeah, shout out to that. But yeah, birthdays
happen more. I mean, this is the first birthday. The
one year old's not going to remember this. I know
you want to make this moment very cherishable, and you
want to remember all of this, and you know, love
your son as much as you want. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
The problem isn't that you should like you should totally
nix the whole idea.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's just push it, Just push it a day. We've
since found out that One she had planned everything while
keeping us in the dark for months. Two we were
in the last in her circle to know her only
sibling is my husband. Three she's actually getting married on
our son's birthday the friday, in a civil ceremony. Four
she's having a second service on the next date, on

(15:24):
the date we planned on our son's christening and birthday party.
Five her bridal shower was scheduled on the same day
I had my baby shower last year.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Okay, okay, so she's trying to I hmm, okay, maybe
maybe we're having a little bit of a hole reversal here.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
We'll see one date is a coincidence, but now I'm
not sure what to think after she took the three
dates we've associated with our son so far. My husband
told sister in law we would proceed to celebrate our
son at his party as everything was in place, but
which joined her later. He feels that his family has
been clear about not caring for our son again. His
sister took around two months to meet him despite living

(16:02):
in the same country, and his mom took four months
because she traveled a month before he was due and
returned three months after he was born. When she went
to travel, she asked my husband to leave me at
home when I was eight months pregnant with a difficult pregnancy,
and go and stay with his dad in another city
because his dad was undergoing tests. His sister has since
been very cold and has sent her parents to guilt us.

(16:22):
Her mom had a proper whale and blamed us for
everything and tried to pressure us. Sister in law since
has said that when she tried to change her date,
her mom stopped her. It seems mother in law and
sister in law had planned everything out months before. For
a bit of a background and context, we had been
no contact with mother in law until a year ago
because of her me been encouraging our community and her

(16:44):
wider family to shun me and as well. She apologized
for it a year ago, but has displayed very concerning behavior.
I've been trying to give her a chance. She teamed
up with the family member of mine who mistreated me
because I have a history of a oh no. She
then went around telling people, including the person who officiated
our wedding, to take me having been mistreated with a
pinch of salt. She said, I was divisive because I

(17:07):
chose not to be around my or allowed their sister
to force me to be around them, So she then
thwarted her chance to play happy families with them.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
It sounds like your mother in law is pretty sucky.
I am wondering how this comes back around to the
sister in law.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Sister in law as a golden child.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, so maybe like they're always try and like thwart
any of your plans.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like, oh, you should put it on that date. Yeah,
I put boundaries with my family to avoid further emotional
because I still have PTSD, and she then tagged team
me with them and use that information to hurt me.
After my husband had warned them about how damaging the
female member from my family was. My husband had not
known his mother could be this evil. We were heartbroken.

(17:51):
I've been in therapy for six years now. He warned
her to be careful how she associated with then, that
she'd understand how vulnerable and sensitive things were, but he
did not know she would take that information to my
to then strategize to then destroy me. Yeah, you need.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
To maybe we go very limited to no contact with
your mother in law.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Okay, that is pertinent information. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, she's like actively working, like plotting against you.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
She went and gave the villain more power.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, I think it's time to maybe limit contact with
your mother in law.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I'm still heartbroken, but I've had no choice but to
keep moving so I don't break down. My mother in
law has also been cold to me since she's sent
me an invitation to the bridle shower before it happened,
but her messages were really cold. It was just here's
the information for the bridal shower, and this is the
amount you should pay. I honestly think and feel that
his family purposely put him in positions to choose between

(18:48):
his wife and them. But now that our son is born,
it's now about making him choose between his son and them.
He thinks this too, And because of that, and because
of how important the christening and party was decided to
put a boundary good good. I'm just really sad because
I was so ill when I was pregnant. I was
bullied at work. They were worried my son was in danger,
and I was hospitalized before he was born, and I

(19:10):
had pre clampsia and was in and out of the hospital,
and so was my son. I am therefore just exhausted, vulnerable,
and so very sad. I didn't realize how broken I've
been until I've written this. I try not to think,
because I can't afford to ever break down. Me and
my husband are all our son has because both our
families show they give zero crap about us. That is

(19:30):
just background context, But as things stand, my sister in
law has been cold to my husband and myself, even
at the engagement party she and her parents asked us
to host for her. We did it because we love her.
Despite everything, she was so cold to us there. When
our son was hospitalized for ten days, she only texted
my husband once and never checked in again. In the
first four weeks he was born. I used to send
hers updates, but I stopped and she sounded disinterested. He

(19:52):
doesn't check in anymore. He has seen her three times
in almost a year, and my son doesn't know his aunt.
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(20:12):
a little bit more to the story, but so few.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
I mean, this is gonna have to I'm gonna have
to remove the a whole status that I temporarily placed
on op Yeah, because with all of the stuff that
has come to light, it seems like it's not just
this one situation. Yeah, Because again, if it was this
one situation, it would have been like, why can't we
move it?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
But I think this is part of agree.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, it's part of a greater issue where your mother
in law and your sister in law are clearly working
against you, and I think it's just like you have
to kind of limit contact.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
There's no point, there's no point. You don't owe them anything.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
I think maybe even no contact with your mother in
law if she's actively trying to, like, yeah, work with
your abuser.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I would be no contact immediately if I found out
about that. Yeah, you're just supporting someone who hates me,
has given given me a PTSD. Yeah, and you're willingly
doing that. Great, that's it's like never talking to you again.
I didn't mean to go off on a tangent, but
I wanted to give a bit of context to explain
why I'm concerned as to whether this was just a

(21:18):
case of bad planning or whether there's an intentive shadiness
to it. Even if there is, I think we are
compromising by still going to the afternoon of her wedding.
But her response, which is extreme anger, is making me
wonder if we're being a holes? What do you think?
Are we the a holes?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I think in under normal circumstances you would be. But
there was no we have a lot of context.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
If there was no background context, yes, but since there
is this overlapping boundary of her ruining your son's day
or like just ruining days that you had planned, already
and you know, not giving you that context or giving
you the time to plant things. Yeah, there there might
be a motive.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I do think that you should have a conversation before
you make any decisions though, with your like, have a
more in depth conversation with your sister in law.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
You know who should do it, though, husband, Yeah, husband that.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm talking with his sister Kaylee. Have you been planning
this on purpose?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
And she might lie?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
You know, you don't know if she'll tell the truth,
But it's good to have that conversation before the wedding.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I think we both wholeheartedly agree cut contact with mother
in law. Yeah she was messed up, but that is
the end of that story.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So pretty to jump into the next one.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Right there.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
My boyfriend's mother is trying to control us, so I finally.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Spoke my mind, you should control her.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I twenty four female am in a happy relationship with
my boyfriend. I put mother in law just because it's easier.
Todd twenty two. We met in twenty twenty two after
I left a pretty bad relationship. I was in a
physically harmful relationship, and when I broke up with him,
I went straight to a guy in prison not my
bridest moment. I was twenty one at the time and

(23:00):
felt lost. I broke up with him, then met my
now amazing airplane loving boyfriend, not a pilot, just loves airplanes.
By the way, this comes from zealous ideal like eighty
seven seventy three and if you want to spit your
own stories, go to our slash ookay story time separate it.
So when we met, he was in college. He told
me he didn't like college and that he didn't think
he would do well with any kind of degree. He

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has never been a classroom type of guy and tried
his best, but even with help, it wasn't working. He
got so stressed from school he would end up crying.
He told me he was thinking of dropping out and
just working. He said he always wanted to be a
man that just works constantly. I told him to do
whatever he wants, no matter what. I support you. I
met his family a few weeks into us dating. His

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dad passed away from her when he was about sixteen
years old.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Although I never.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Met his dad, I always felt close to him with
all the stories he would tell me, plus the pictures
he would share. He lived with his mother and grandmother
and his uncles would come around every week for Sunday dinners.
When I first met them, I thought they were great.
They had me over two to three times a week.
I spent a lot of time with his grandmother and
I grew a bond with her. His mother, let's call
her Sydney, raised Todd as a single parent before his

(24:06):
father got and passed away. They divorced. Todd's father struggled
with a heavy drinking problem as well as Sydney. They
both met in AA. Sydney was very judgmental from the start.
I live in an apartment and she owns her own house.
She would make fun of me for not having a job,
as I just moved into the city four weeks before
meeting her son. Don't worry, I'm employed now. She thought

(24:28):
I was stealing her son's money and forcing him to
buy me things. I was happy if we stayed in
my room, cuddling and watching movies all day. The real
problem started after his grandmother passed away. His grandmother got
sick and tried her best to get better, but nothing
was helping. She was in and out of the hospital,
and eventually they had to put her on hospice. It
was extremely hard for Todd. Todd cried day after day.

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His grandmother was truly his best friend. His mother and
him got into a super big fight the day she passed.
We went seven days without seeing each other because he
was taking care of his grandmother. Understandable, he told me
he was going to come pick me up because he
was overwhelmed and needed fresh air just in case anything happened.
We stayed in town, literally a street over. We went

(25:11):
to the park. His mother got mad because we were
gone and she didn't want me in the house. I
didn't step foot in the house. God got upset because
Sydney invited Todd's childhood best friend. She doesn't talk to
him ever. Even when she is in town, they don't speak.
I didn't want to go in because it was a
personal matter, but it felt weird having his childhood friend
being able to go around. His family got mad and

(25:32):
screamed at me and him. Then a few days later
apologized and had me plan the funeral and the wake. Dang,
they're making you do a lot of work here. Will
also kind of her Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
And you're like, oh, we need you to do all this,
but yeah, own rules.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, this is just one instance of her being unfair
to me, So I'll make a list. One got mad
that I had work on Christmas. Two got upset that
Todd got me a ring for Valentine's Day, a promise ring.
Three got upset that he wanted to stay the night
or anytime we went on a date, she was mad
she couldn't come.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
This is just something like high school.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Every time we hung out with friends, she would call
him at least four times, called me a moocher, I
had money. We told her that he has cheated on
me asked for picks from another woman, and she blamed me.
I mean, one, that's a separate problem that he's doing that.
But why did you tell.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Her that this is all this very dysfunctional?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
He told me, I've never done anything for the family yet,
I cleaned her house when she was out of state,
cared for her mother when she was sick, took her
son to the hospital three times, and made her son
dinner when he was extremely sick. She felt the need
to hold onto my medicine as well as Todd's and
got mad when we said no, those are just a
few times. Now let's get into why I may be
the a hole I know I am honestly all right.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Spoiler Oh.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
For the past few months, Todd and I have been
talking about having a baby. He's twenty two and you're
twenty four, and you're still having problems with his mom.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Some things are not adding up here. Oh, we've ready
for kids. Yeah, I think we need to finish one
obstacle first, and I think that's get on mom's good
side or mom likes you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I have stage four enomitriosis and pcos. Being able to
conceive a baby is gonna be hard, he told his mom,
and she lost her mind. She started screaming and yelling
and telling us we need a promise to wait until
our thirties. Today I got off work and I've been
thinking about everything that was said. I wasn't happy. So
I sent one last message and this is the message
that OPI sent. I'm gonna send one last message and

(27:24):
then I'm done because this has been heavy on my
mind since last night. You say you don't want Todd
to have a baby for another two years, or until
he's thirty. There are so many health risks waiting. It's
a miracle Todd survived when you got pregnant at forty Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well she's not gonna like that.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Okay, okay, that's a whole on Opie's that's maybe a
bad excuse. You could say that you just want to
have kids at twenty you know, two and twenty four,
that's fine, But waiting two years is not. Like health
risks developed like around forty, you know, it's not not
gonna develop because.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Of this after two years, maybe because of the pcos
or the end.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well, but she's saying, but it sounds like her wording
is like literally the longer, like any time.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
As a guest, that's also very true just down the line. Yeah,
it sounds like like like later thirties.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
If you're talking about like your own you know, health risks,
that's different. But in general, waiting to you know, waiting
until your twenty six is not gonna.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think she's trying to get that point across to them.
I think the mother in Lawns is trying to stop
all of that. Yeah, anything she can.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
We're not waiting that long. This isn't your choice. Honestly,
it's none of your business what me and Todd decide
to do. He wanted to tell you for your support
of him. I don't need or want your support. Therefore,
if we want to have a baby now, we will
because we don't need your permission to do anything as
we are both adults. Since I've been around this family,
I have realized the type of mother you are to him.
You are extremely overbearing and extremely controlling. You would access

(28:56):
to his bank account till he was twenty two, a
grown man's bank account. That's actually insane. And the fact
that you had forced him to promise, are you actually joking?
He's almost twenty three year old. He's almost twenty three
years old. If he wants to have a baby, he's
gonna have a freaking baby. Oh my gosh, you don't
get to control him anymore. I also know you told
him they'll be live in the ghetto. Who the heck
are you to talk about my place that I live in.

(29:17):
You're so materialistic and so judgmental, it's gross. I also
was informed that you talked about my parents. For one,
my dad doesn't agree with me because he says what
I want to hear. He agrees with me because I'm right.
You have no idea what the heck you're talking about.
Leave my parents' names out of your mouth. I know
everything you said. You aren't a good person and you
aren't a good mother. The amount of trauma tatis from
you alone is unreal. But you don't want to hear

(29:39):
about that because in your eyes you're perfect. News flash,
you aren't perfect. Don't worry, You'll never have to see
me again. I'm so sick and tired of the disrespect
when I've done nothing but love your son, help your son,
and be there for your son. Because you don't support
him in anything he wants. Why would he want to
come to you for anything? I wouldn't when we have
this baby, because we're gonna have a baby and get
married one day. You'll be lucky if they know you

(29:59):
a are let alone you seeing them have a good day.
That was an intense text. I don't know if it
was necessary.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
All I gotta say is too long. Don't want to
read that.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
You know what, it'll make you have a good day
listening to full episodes of stories just like this. Just
go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or iHeartRadio and search up
a story time. But there is a little bit left
to the story. It does feel like Ope's I would
have a little bit naive and also the mother is controlling.
I think both of those can exist at the same time.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
We did get the spoiler alert that it's like I
may be the a hole in Mark, and I was like,
I know, I am.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, I think you you're aware that that was an
intense text that didn't need to be sent. I think
you could all you could have just as easily been
like distancing yourself from the mother without having sent that.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It could have been written a little bit more maturely
too well.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
But also it kind of it shows that OPI is
not you know, mature yet, which is fair.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You're or was taken over by emotion. And it also happens,
but I mean that's that does happen, Yeah, but all
it happens any It's really the one thing I was
gonna add is did Opie run this message through Todd? First?
I doubt it? Yeah, Like, yes, this is your this
is your beef between mother about Todd's mom. But this

(31:15):
is also like you can't be defending your boyfriend's on
her like that, or like speak for your boyfriend like
that in that way to his mom. This should be
him standing up for himself and for you too.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
But there's a little bit left she has talked badly
about the place I live and my parents. She told
Todd we need to wait either two years or until
we're thirty. His mother has never been nice to me. Well,
she has, but this is what she does. She's nice
to me one day, gifting me things and talking nice,
then says things to Todd. I sent this message, and
Todd gets a call from his uncle. His uncle says,
she's crying, screaming and shaking because of my message. That's

(31:47):
an intense reaction, but also it was you know a lot.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know why because Todd. Todd's got a new mommy nice.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
He also told us that she had an aneurysm in
her heart and if she passes away, it's my fault.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Anytime I try to tell her how I feel, she cries.
But she can be mean and hateful to me, and
I just have to take it.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Am I the A hole?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
It's okay if I am, I don't mind. Comment one says,
not the A hole. You just set a boundary and
the only reason she's so upset is because she is
completely used to walking all of her boundaries and making
other people feel terrible to make herself feel better. Good
for you, on your shiny news spine. OPI says. My
boyfriend even said that no one has ever talked to
his mom the way I did. No one has ever
stepped up to her. His past girlfriends went insane with

(32:29):
her because they never stepped up to her. He didn't
know what her reaction would be. After I sent the text,
his family is now calling me a bad person and
cowardly because I did it over text, but she makes
it impossible to do it face to face. Comment two
says drink consumption, especially excessive amounts, can contribute to the
development of aortic aneurysm, which are bulges in the aorta,
the main artery carrying blood from the heart. The fact

(32:51):
that your uncles share the news of her aneurysm with
you after you try to set boundaries is very telling.
Mother in law owes her poor health to a lifetime
of bad choices. It's her fault and no one else
is not the able. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, like,
they can't blame you for her aneurism.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, that's weird. That's on her. She's just looking for
a scapegoat and lo behold, it's you.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, I think this should have been a conversation with
Todd because he's like, no one's ever stood up to her.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, Like he also needs to learn how to stand
up to his mother, like and which is something that
you you know, learn around that age, Like twenty two
is when you start to become more independent and you
realize like, oh, I actually don't need to listen to
everything my parents said because now I'm my own job
or I have my own place, and I'm becoming my
own adults. Uh So I think that, you know, like

(33:36):
he does have to start learning that, Yes, but that
is the end of the story.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
He's John Og host.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
We're gonna get back to the stories, but a quick
free minute break of ads from our sponsors.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
My relatives try to ruin my sister's marriage for their
greedy agenda.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Ah, they're gonna get ya.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
They're so greedy. For context, my family is trying to
get my elder sister, Leila, twenty four, married before my
dad retires next year.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Mom started looking for grooms when she was twenty three. Initially,
Layla used to refuse to look at the photos on
the matrimonial sites because she didn't want to get married
this young. And me and my sister used to gang
up and try to convince Mom, but the elders were
all with Mom. Dad was playing the middleman, trying to
please both sides. By the way, this comes from Tiny

(34:22):
Curls and if you want to smit your own stories,
go to our slash Okay storytime.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Servered it so.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Our aunt Amy was the one who started pressuring mom.
Our cousin, who is now just twenty one, was getting
proposals according to her, and she told Mom that she
has been declining, saying Layla is yet to get married,
so they are not marrying her off.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
This made Mom tense up.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
She thought, what if Layla's marriage happens late and it
affects her cousin's marriage. When I tried to defend Layla,
they would tell.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Me to shut up.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
But it's the elder's topic and.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
We're doing the right thing.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Ugh.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
How much I hated that woman?

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Then?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
What One night our uncles, my dad's elder and younger
brother let's call them John and Nick, called Dad to
their house after ten pm. We were concerned, thinking it
was some kind of emergency. They called Dad to tell
him to start searching for grooms for Laila. Could they
have not waited until the next day. Soon Dad gave

(35:20):
in and they searched for grooms together. There were some
quarrels between Mom and Layla, but soon Laila gave in
when Dad told her that he wanted to see her
get married before he retires. Why The first proposal was
from a family where the man was working on a
ship as some kind of engineer. But the place where
they lived was so far and isolated and his mother
lived alone, so there was a huge probability that he

(35:42):
would leave Layla with his mother after marriage, which is
not acceptable. She wanted to work and she didn't like
that man, so we declined. Before declining, we had asked
our uncle Nick to check about this family and the person.
At first, he said he was not a good proposal
since his locality was not known for being good and
his friend's circle seemed bad, so we dropped it. But

(36:03):
after we dropped it, Nick came back again and said
that was the best proposal ever. We said we were
not interested, but he is still stuck with that proposal,
saying that if Leayla gets married to that man, she
would take her younger cousins akas sons for jobs abroad.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
The audacity bruh.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
His sons were not even in high school yet, and
he wanted Layla to get married to a man she
doesn't like, just for his son's sake. Then another proposal came.
He seemed good in photos. His locality was fine, family
was fine, job was fine. Everything looked perfect except for
the age gap. He was thirty one and Layla is
just twenty four. We were not sure about that since

(36:43):
Leyla wanted someone close to her age, but we told
them to come here. When they came, the man was
stoic as stone. He never talked or even smiled. She
did the talking. She felt as if she was interviewing him.
When he asked her if she was planning to keep
her job, she told him that she had a plan
to quit and study.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
More and tried teaching.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
That made the family lose interest, and the man seemed
more job oriented and less friendly. Since his family members
were almost babying him. We didn't get a call from
them again, so we dropped it. But when Layla told
us that she didn't like that man, our auntie, our
aunt Amy, and her husband, our uncle John never said

(37:21):
anything about dropping the proposal, but kept telling us about
when we should go to that man's house. We didn't
pay attention. Then the current proposal came. Let's say, his
name is Leon. He works in Dubai, in a good
company and in a high position, just thirty minutes away
from our home, just like us. He is from a
middle class family. His family came to see Layla and

(37:44):
they liked her. They were the same as our parents.
He liked her and Layla liked Leanto. They clicked instantly.
He had a sister too, and so he was friendly
with me as well. Everything seemed perfect. He wanted her
to come with him to Dubui and work, just like
she wanted. The problem our aunt and uncles found was
that Leon's dad ran a cycle workshop, but it never

(38:07):
bothered Layla or our parents. We knew that Leon's dad
worked hard to teach his two children. He built a
house for them, does farming. Leon's sister is now studying
architecture at one of the finest colleges in our states,
and Leon worked too while studying.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
So we understood.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
But these three snakes started to call them names and
told my dad that it was a bad proposal that
Leon's dad had the audacity to ask for marriage at
our house, we were like, why are you judging the
family based on the job. Leon is now working in
one of the best companies and has a high salary,
and even though his dad still has the cycle workshop,

(38:47):
why does it matter. What matters is that Leon is
a good person, We'll look after Leila and can support
a family financially. He had all of these capabilities. Everyone,
literally everyone except these three told us why this was
such a good proposal, And from my mom's side too,
they were supporting us. They understood the situation because when

(39:09):
my mom was married off to my dad, the only
thing considered was my dad's job. My dad's family was
the worst compared to my mom's. Dad's parents were just
small farmers, while my mom's parents were government employees. Income wise,
both of them were different. But my mom's parents knew
that they could make a better future together and they did.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
They believed in.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Them, and these uncles knew about their family background. They
keep telling that Leon's family is not up to our standards.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
They got.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
They got really high standards and also really low standards
in other areas. Bro, what standards are you talking about.
We're all middle class families. We're not some business tycoons.
What matters is will she be happy with that man?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's all that matters.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Leon's proposal was looking into. After rejecting it two times.
Now we find out that Leon's proposal had reached for
our cousin Amy and John's daughter way before it reached us.
But we called them first and are almost okay with
a proposal. Mom thinks that they are posing this proposal
so that they can marry our cousin with him, So
they don't actually have any qualms with him with Leon.

(40:17):
They just want Leon for themselves.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Those snakes, those.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Snakes in the grass trying to steal your eggs. And
I don't think it's wrong with Amy's character.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
She would do that.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
She has the history of being a cunning fox. She
doesn't like when other people find success in their life. Bruh,
mind your business. Amy actually controls johnn Nick. Being the
eldest daughter in law in our dad's family, she thought
it would give her some power to control everyone's life.
She had made my mom's life a living heck for

(40:50):
some years. Then my mom insisted to our dad that
they move out. My mom still says that she started
breathing freely after moving away from that, which Nick are
actually scared of.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Amy.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
My dad asks John and Nick's opinions before doing anything,
and has been grateful to his elder brother, but they
were never the same to my dad, and my dad
knows it still he asks their opinion about everything. When
Leon's parents came to see Laylah for the first time
this Amy was making up fit in the kitchen as
if Layla was bringing home her boyfriend. The parents are

(41:25):
the boy who our parents found, who our parents called
we're coming to see Layla. Amy tried so hard to
talk crap about a everyone, including our late aunt. She
had a love marriage and divorced. Since it was when
she asked for a second marriage, Amy dragged it off
to the point where our late aunt had to beg
our brothers to find anyone and leave. After finding out

(41:46):
that my dad is interested in Leon's proposal, Nick didn't
have the balls to confront my dad about it. Instead,
he called my mom's brother and talked crap about Leon's
family and scolded my mom's brother for supporting this proposal.
Mind you, mind you, Nick is a police officer, how
did it even get into it? With his small brain

(42:06):
and confidence, Nick still insists that the first proposal was
the best one. Nick and John have never been loving
uncles to me or Laila, but they are the complete
opposite to our other cousins. We don't actually care about them.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Honestly. Now, my mom.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Told us another theory. She is too good brow. All
these theories actually make sense. Our dad had moved away
from his family home with my mom and they had
worked hard together and brought and bought some lands and properties.
When the time comes, it eventually goes to me and Layla.
Dad also had some property near our family house which
is now currently under three of their names, the Family

(42:43):
House two. When we compare these three families, Dad had
bought some lands and properties more than them, and so
we will get extra properties compared to their children. So
what if we are married off far away so that
we'll never have we'll never come back to look at
these properties. The other extended family members who are against
the Leon stuff, yeah, they're like, what about these matches

(43:03):
where they live super far away, because then they want
they can get the properties.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Oh, I see, everyone is just scheming and scamming over here.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Scheming and scamming snakes in the grass. Honestly, it all
adds up. The first proposal was actually from far away,
two hours from our hometown, an isolated rural area with
much less transportation. It would be so hard for her
to come from there in the future. It was also
one of the main reasons we dropped it. By the way,

(43:33):
you shouldn't drop us, because we got full episodes of
stories just like freaking this.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Oh yeah, just go.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
To spot too fi apple poodcasts and I have Readdio
and Search a book a short time. But there's a
little bit tenC weeny bit, did you.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
At first I was kind of like, I don't know why,
but the child and me was like.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Ooh, like this is like a rom com.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Then I saw as a kid.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Where it's like arranged marriages.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I would love to be meeting all these like like
when I was a kid, Like I would love to
meet all these like eligible suitors, like the a Thermopolis.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I've never seen that one.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
You've never seen Princess Diaries too?

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, I just don't remember the name.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
What my man, It's been a while, okay.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
But you know, I mean, realistically, I don't know if
I would actually.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Be happy with that, but yeah, I feel like at
first that's how I kind of felt. But then I'm like, whoa,
this is a mess, but it maybe kind of feels
like even more of a rom com with all these
people scamming.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
This is so sneaky of this family to do. Why
can't they just get it? Nick has two sons. He's
the type of person who does all the things according
to his favor. He insists that during the wedding ceremony,
when the groom's family stands with us on the stage,
it will look good in front of others. Remember this
man refused to go with my dad and mom when

(44:51):
there was a robbery and the rented house five hours away.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Stanley was busy. WHOA, No, he wasn't. He was home
all day.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Amy and John have two daughters who are just like
me and Layla. Can they not think about how it
would feel when it's the same for their daughters. This
is the story till now. Maybe some would find it silly,
but because of these three people, we have been suffering
for weeks that have been fights, quarrels, all because of
these three people. Oh that's the freaking end of the story.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Mail.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Wow wowow wow wow wow, crazy crazy little uh tale
they got going up?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
I mean, you guys don't even have to watch TV.
You just watch your family. You share the share, the well, share,
the wealth, man share the suitors.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I insulted my husband's daughter. I don't regret a thing.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Maybe she freaking deserved it.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
So I forty seven female, and my husband, forty seven male,
got married a year ago, together for two years, so
it was love at first sight.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Some backstory. This is my first marriage.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
I was always in long term relationships but never married
and have no children for medical reasons. By the way,
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was until I met my wonderful husband. He has a
heart of gold. He has been married twice before. He

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is a paramedic and anyone who knows they sometimes have
the worst job in the world, and that can be
hard on any relationship. My husband takes his job very seriously.
He has a way of switching off when he has
a pretty crappy day, but we're working on that. He
has three children and he loves them with all his heart.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
The oldest is.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Twenty four female, let's call her Karen.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
The middle one is twenty male Justin, and then another
daughter thirteen, Let's call her Emily. She is from his
second marriage. All the names have been changed, so now
you have the dynamics. Let's get into the issue. I
have had a great relationship with all the kids. Emily
stayed most days with her mom. She would visit holidays
and weekends. My husband and Emily's mom really co parent

(46:58):
great together. We even have a good relationship, especially when
it comes to Emily. Recently, Emily had to come stay
by us due to her mom losing her job and
she could not afford her apartment, so she had to
downgrade to a single bed place. We have a three
bedroom house and her mom is not far from us,
so it was easy for her to still take Emily

(47:20):
to school and Emily could spend more time with her dad.
When when Justin stayed with us until recently when he
wanted to get out on his own. He has a
great job and we helped to where we can to
get him his own place. I was really sad that
he moved out. Wee get on great. We would have
our fights in the beginning, it happens in any family,
but in the end we would apologize and talk it

(47:41):
out ad Justin.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Because Justin and his.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Dad were always together and his dad raised him as
a single father. Justin and Kara's mom is not so
much in the picture. A lot of things happened there
that is not my story to tell. So now on
to Karen. We got on really well when she was
living with her partner, a single mom to a seven
year old boy let's call him Oliver, and had a

(48:04):
four year relationship with a good guy.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I would pick Oliver.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Up from his bus stop and then her partner would
pick him up after work. If Oliver was sick, I
would take care of him when his mom was at work.
I even took days off when they were late for
the bus and didn't have anyone to look after him
because he missed the bus.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
This happened a.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Couple of times, and it was always the partner's fault.
So recently they broke up when he could not take
it anymore, being told to be a father figure but
not having the right to parent him. He was not
Oliver's father understandable, So in the end she came to
stay with us so that she could save and eventually
go on her own. This has been a big mistake.

(48:46):
My husband said that she does not have to contribute
to utilities or foods, so she can save all good
or so we thought. Her boy has some behavior issues.
He's still what's the bed. We have been to his
school to speak to teachers and counselors. I have been
to his school on my own when he was sent home,
so I have come to know his teachers.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
He even calls me Grandma. Sometimes. He's a really sweet child.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
When he is alone with my husband and myself, with
his mom, it's another story. We have tried to discipline him,
but we're told that she is his mom and that
we don't have the right.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Okay, no problem, we won't.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I had to take Oliver to the bus stop and
her to work, and we were always late because she
over sleeps or something comes up. She works and then
gets home to help with homework. She's on her phone
most of the time while he's doing it, though when
he doesn't do it correctly, she fights with him. She
doesn't clean or help at all in the house. She
thinks that she has the right to take on Emily.

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When Emily gets a bit of annoyed with Oliver. He
is hyperactive and has been diagnosed. We understand having a
teenage girl and a hyperactive boy is not always a
good combination, but we learned to live together. We had
a huge fight one night. That's when she told her
dad that he doesn't have the right to discipline him.

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Told her father that he was never there for her.
Oh wow, bringing up bringing up deep sel. Oh yeah,
she's like, I need to get it all off the chest.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Oh off, it's coming out now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
When she was twelve, she stole from Emily's mom.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Justin saw it. Oh, Justin told his dad. Emily's mom
confirmed it, and he gave her three smacks on the
backside with the flip flop. I know it's illegal now,
but back then it was how we got disciplined. Believe me,
I can still remember my mom chasing me with one
of those flip flops and being smacked on the butt
with it. I am still here though, but times have changed.

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Any who. The reason why he was not in her
life was that she went to her mom and told
her mom a bunch of stories.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Justin told his dad.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
This because she had rules at her dad's home and
that was not going to work for her when she stole.
That just made her more angry because she could not
do what she wanted. Mom was a lot more relaxed.
Her mom and Karen made a case of abuse against
my husband. There was no evidence, and my brother in

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law husband's brother is a lawyer. The case never went
anywhere because they said that they would drop it if
they could get a long sweet and a bunch of
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
All right.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Case was dropped when brother in law told them that
that will not happen and that they were going to
the officer with the statement. In the end, Karen went
to stay with her mom and Justin stayed with his
dad because of what Karen and his mom did. Now,
Karen is not my husband's bio daughter. Ready family tree. Okay,

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think about it. Memorize it. Memorize it. There's gonna be
a quiz. He adopted her when she was four. My
husband met her mom when she was a month old.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
His brother advised him that it would be better to
stay away, as if they could run to the police
for this, what would be next. My husband agreed reluctantly
and was not involved in her life from age twelve.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
To sixteen.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Ooh, okay, so she started stealing and then they and
then he backed away. Yeah, he was like I gotta
go by then she came to live with her dad
again when she was seventeen. Now where I am the
step monster. Karen fought with Emily one morning because of
Oliver being so hyper.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I kind of lost my crap.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
I told her that she has no right to take
on Emily in any way. We cannot do that to Oliver,
so she does not have the right to do that
to Emily. That's a good point too.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
I then went off on her that this is a
household where everyone does housework.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
She doesn't clean her room.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
She thinks that everyone should bend to her win because
of what you think your dad abandoned you. I just
went all out and called her a bee and a
suit by the way she cheated on the good guy
as well as that partner.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Wow, okay, and I called her a bad mom.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
I know I'm the a hole there, but at that moment,
I was just done with the entitlement and her thinking
that her living here is the best thing that happened
to us. Now she wants to move out with her friend.
This was going to happen this weekend, but it didn't happen.
She is staying with her new boyfriend, the guy that
she thought was Oliver's dad, but he isn't oh the

(53:19):
trauma A fair partner, I'm guessing. Yeah, he is a
sweet guy and absolutely so in love with Karen, but
she cheated on him with Oliver's dad, so now that
she is single, she has connected with him again. Karen
is a really beautiful young woman. Unfortunately I have found
out not so beautiful on the inside. So there it is.

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There is still so much that has happened. By the
way this has all happened in two months, I'm exhaust months.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
You need a month of vacation for real, skis. So
let me know.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Am I the step monster for calling Karen a bee?
And we do have some comments and quite more to
the story, But what do we think?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Maybe she deserved it, but like, I don't know if
it's your place to do that, you know, yeah, usually
name calling is not the wid go Yeah you know
what I mean, But so so sure, I guess, but
I feel like that doesn't mean that that doesn't mean
that she's not in the wrong exactly. Yeah, like that

(54:19):
it seems like she is in the wrong for sure,
but like maybe this is something that, like your rosmon
should have handled a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Comment number one says from the title, I thought you
called a child a witch. I was going to say,
we all know the children can meet total a holes,
but it's generally a bad thing to stay it out loud. Yeah,
but Karen is an adult who is absolutely being a
witch and you finally called her on it. Emily probably
feels like you have her back, though, and since she's

(54:48):
the miner in your care, that's a really good thing.
I know it's his daughter and grandson, but your husband
went above and beyond letting her stay rent free to
get on her feet after she falsely accused him of
abuse and she repaid him by treating the rest of
the family like rap. Yeah yeah, OPI responds. Our concern
is for Oliver if she does come back, and I

(55:09):
have a feeling it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
We would take them in again because of him. But
we do have an update.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Day, so Karen will be back tonight. She phoned her
dad and so that they will be back today. I
don't know whether to pick up the rest of their
stuff or to stay. I didn't add that they still
have a lot of their things here, mostly personal belongings,
and when she and her previous partner broke up, she
only got to keep her her and Oliver's things. She
didn't pay for anything in their home, as she told

(55:37):
her that he would pay for her for their place,
utilities and such as she needs the money to pay
for Oliver's school bus and what he needs. Emily is
staying with her mom for the week until we get
Karen sorted out or know what's going to happen now
on for tonight, we came up with a plan going
forward if she decides to stay. Her dad has told

(55:58):
her that she needs to apply for a since from
the school as a single mother to cover the school fees.
She will pay towards her room and the board. It's
a lot less than what she will pay if she
has to move into her own place, but she will
feel it. She will contribute to Oliver's fuel to get
him to the bus and pick him up, but we
hardly drive except for the shops. My husband has the

(56:18):
company car when working, so he will pick up Oliver
in the afternoons when he can when he can with
the company car, and I will do it if he
has to be called to a patient. As I mentioned,
he's a paramedic, and in our country, the paramedics have
their own four wheel drive vehicle to get to assistance,
to get to accidents or patients before the ambulance. She

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will still need to contribute to the fuel. She will
buy her own laundry stuff to wash aliver things, Oliver's
things when he wets the bed. We have been covering
that in our water and laundry detergent has gone through
the roof. She will cook three times a week. I
know she is to help Oliver with her homework, but
when I picked him up, I would start dinner and
he would sit by the kitchen tape. I would make

(57:01):
food and help him with homework.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
It can be done.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
You can do things at once. You can multitask.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
If she is not going to be home to cook
dinner on her night, it will fall on the next day.
No getting out of it, Gotta take your turn, Gotta
do it. The new boyfriend does not spend the night.
There is a thirteen year old here and she has
a little boy. He can visit until ten, but no exceptions.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah, I think that's a very valid thing, very reasonable.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
She will let us know at a reasonable time if
she will not be home on her days to cook,
not thirty minutes before she gets home. I start at
three pm. My husband works from six to six some
days and some nights. A lot of times he does
forty eight and seventy two hour ships.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
That's crazy to me. Gosh, man, it works in healthcare.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
He's a paramedic. Yeaheah, that should not be legal.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Luckily he can sleep at home until he is called
out as we live two kilometers.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
From his base.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Okay, yeah, but he cannot cook as he doesn't know
when a call will come in in that time. I
let him get as much sleep as he can. It
can get pretty hectic sometimes. We will see tonight what
will happen? Will she stay, will she move? Does she
stay or will she go?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
But the terms are there, no changing them.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
I still think it's fair, not just for our house
to have peace again, but maybe she will learn to
grow up and not everyone is always going to be there.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
To cover her when she messes up.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
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Speaker 4 (58:34):
Just like this one. Just sort how many okay, story time,
search it up. We'll always be there. Okay, Wow, so
we've got a little bit more to the story. But
what do we think about this master plan?

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I think the boundaries are good. I think I think
putting all those boundaries up, putting that schedule up, I
think it's good.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Are we gonna guess that she is going to stay?
Or are we gonna guess? I think she's gonna go.
That's too many boundaries, hie, We'll see, let's see. I'm
also going to add that if she goes and she
does miss the best for Oliver at any time, because
she cannot get her time management right, she needs to
make a plan. We cannot look after him for the day.
I have always been her backup and she knows it.

(59:12):
Maybe then she will get herself ready before they are late.
We all get a butt five. Oliver takes twenty minutes
tops to get him ready. I don't help with that,
as it should be her responsibility.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
He is her son.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
He is the happiest child in.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
The morning, already chatting at lightning speed, Emily and I
are not mourning people, so we take time to thow
out and grunt at each other to take good morning.
That's our thing. So having a motormouth so early has
been an adjustment for both of us. If they do go,
I am going to miss chatting in the morning, to
be honest. And that's the end of the story. So
we actually don't get an answer.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
The freakingy frick. I want an answer.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I want an answer, Give me an answer. But wow, yeah,
she's got it.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
She's got under control.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah. Ope, he knows what what she's doing. Yeah, she's like,
these are our problems. She's how to fix it, all right,
you get.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Your in or your app. Hey, yeah, you can do it.

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Highway, it's the highway exactly.

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I refuse to grant my grandmother's wish, even if.

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Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Yeah, because you're or whatever. I don't know, let's find out. Hey, everyone,
I female thirty five have a bit of a dilemma.
I recently found out my grand has brain tumors and
doesn't have long to live. Her last wish and all
she will talk about to everyone is that I forgive
my mother and we talk again. By the way, this
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The background.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
I went no contact with my mother almost five years ago.
As the oldest of three, I was parentified from a
young age. She fully took advantage of my autistic need
to organize and my mature mentality. She was also extremely
emotionally absive, which presented as either blaming me for literally
everything that went wrong, including things that happened when I

(01:01:08):
wasn't even home, or constantly criticizing my weight. Looking back
at old photos, I realize I was at most a
little chubby, not the quote unquote wail she made me
feel like, yikes, yikes. Sadly, I still don't have a
healthy relationship with food because of this. My kids and
the breaking point fast forward to me having kids. I

(01:01:30):
stupidly thought that since she loved babies, she might be
one of those terrible mothers but great grandparents. For my
eldest John male ten. This was somewhat true. However, she
did hamper some development, like utensil use, because she liked
things to be clean and couldn't possibly let food get
on the easily wipeable floor. I think it's like, because

(01:01:51):
they're learning how to use the utensils, like the food
will end up like, oh yeah, all around little babes. Yes,
And so I think it's like no, no, no, no, no
utensils just shovel it in there, this old school.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Style that sounds good.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
But with my second child, Nate Ate, it quickly became
clear that the opposite was true. She wasn't happy that
I hadn't given her a granddaughter to fawn over. Nate
also showed signs of ADHD at a much younger age
than John had shown signs of autism. Both were diagnosed
after we went no contact. Soon the excuses started as

(01:02:29):
to why she could only take John. I always made
sure to take Nate to do fun things whenever John
was with her. I thought things were fine until one
of the rare occasions when she and my father took
both boys on holiday. Nate came back saying that both
my parents kept blaming him for everything and my dad
told him, if it was up to me, I wouldn't

(01:02:50):
have even brought you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
That is so sad. Here's a little kid say that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
As a grandfather to the children, that is so sad.
I stupidly, not wanting to cause drama, assumed it was
said in a if you don't behave you won't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Kind of way.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
So I texted my father saying he needed to watch
how he worded things, because Nate had come back really upset.
This resulted in my father completely cutting off contact with me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
You're gonna tell me how I should talk to an
eight year old child that's yours? Yeah, come on.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
Immediately canceled the final straw. Not long after that, my
then husband asked for a divorce for once. Well, I
just needed a mom. So I called her crying, needing support,
and all I got was, so, what's happening with the house,
because you're not moving in with us, girl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
We just need support right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
This is the opposite of support.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
At the time, my parents' house had two empty bedrooms,
one big enough to put up a divider and make
it a living space. That was the final straw. She
would rather see her grandkids struggle to find a roof
over their heads than actually help. Now, I didn't handle
it correctly. I'll admit that I just stopped talking to her,

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no warning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I just stopped.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
I didn't have the mental capacity at the time to
worry about her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I mean, like, honestly makes sense. That's kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
One of those messages you get that just makes you stop.
That's understandable.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, very understandable.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
After a couple months of me completely not replying, she
sent a message to both me and my ex husband
saying that if we didn't reply and let her see
her grandkids, she'd be getting a lawyer in CPS involved.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
What a great way to communicate.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
What Let me see the grandkids that I mistreat and
threatened to leave homeless, or I'll call CPS.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Yeah, you're the one that's not taking care of the kids.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
I immediately called my aunt her or sister, who I
get along with, and she tore my mother a new one,
telling her to apologize sincerely. The response I got was
I think what I said came across not how I intended.
Since then, the only contact I have had with my
mother was at my grandparents' fiftieth wedding anniversary where she

(01:05:20):
ambushed me when I was alone, and at the hospital
when visiting my grandma, here's my grand's final wish. While
in the hospital, my grand begged me to forgive my
mother and make up. I explained that I couldn't. I
told her that it wouldn't stop me from going to
family events and that I would be civil to my mother.
But since then, my aunt has told me that all

(01:05:42):
my grand talks about is me needing to forgive my mother.
My aunt begged me to at least a lie to
my grand and say I'll try, but I can't. I
can't lie to her, and even if I did, I
know my mother would use that as an excuse to
just come to my house to talk, citing it's your
grand's final wish.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Would I be the a.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Whole if I don't forgive my mother or lie about
it just to make my grand feel better. I certainly
have thoughts about that, But Angie, I don't think you would.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Be the a hole for not wanting to, like, you know,
do that with your mom. Honestly, I don't think you'd
be the ale for lying to your grandma either.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Well, that's the thing they're saying, Am I the a
hole for not lying, oh, for not lying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
A And that's when I say, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think so.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
It's you know, it's like I mean, lying is you know,
never like it's never like it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Oh, go ahead and lie, like lying all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Lying is great, but sometimes in the nuance of human interaction,
like you need to lie, yeah, and deathbed wish please
just make up with your mom. My brain has tumors.
Please love your mom and you just go all right, grandma,
I promise I'll try right right, And you know that

(01:07:04):
the you know, the amount of just like oh, she
might pass away right then just from the amount of relief.
Her whole body might just be like all right, And
that's all I needed to hear turning off.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Yeah, because you don't want.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
To give her like sadness in her last moment.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Yeah, dude, she's just like, can suck it up and
lie to your grandma?

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Yeah, Like, if this is something that she's asking for
on her passing away bed, then it's like obviously something
that has been weighing on her that she hasn't really
talked about that much, Like I think she mentioned it
here and there, but like that's something that's just always
made her feel so bad, and so it's like, how
sad is that going to be for the grandma to

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hear that in her final wish?

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
Dude, Like, if you don't give her the piece when
she passes, she could come back and haunt you as
a ghost.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
So if you want to be selfish about it, do
it be out of that reason, right, You don't want
your grandma to be a ghost and that haunts you. Yeah,
on a real level, that's not funny. Just lie to
her because it'll make her feel good in her final moments,
for God's sake. Just because some have said forgiving doesn't
mean letting my mother back into my life, Sadly, my
grand doesn't see it that way. To her, forgiveness means
playing happy families, fully letting my mother back into mine

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in my kids' lives, and there is zero chance of
that happening. Also, my mother or father has never offered
any form of apology because she doesn't believe she's done
anything wrong. And we have some comments here. Comment one,
you would not be the a hole if your mom
takes no responsibility, how can you forgive? There needs to

(01:08:33):
be some remorse and a desire to be forgiven and
improve or all this is is pretend anyways, what she's
really asking is for you to tamp down yourself and
your needs and let your mother and father run rough
shot over you. Op says, Oh, definitely, no accountability has
ever been taken by her. She sent both her sisters
when I first went no contact over to try and

(01:08:54):
convince me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Thankfully, one aunt listened.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
To my side and was horrified when I went into
all the things as my mother has said. The other
happily admitted that it was her idea to threaten me
with CPS and a lawyer. And yeah, my father isn't
great with him. I'm still working out how I feel.
I spent a lot of childhood thinking he was the
good parent, but realizing once I hit my teens and
didn't want to do the things he envisioned for me,

(01:09:18):
he dropped from the good parent to a guy that
lived in the same house as me. Comment Too says,
your mom is probably whining constantly to your grandmother about
you being no contact. She's using your grandmother to try
and guilt you into a relationship with her. Forgiveness is
up to you. Ignore the flying family monkeys. Don't be
guilted or bullied into allowing her back into your life

(01:09:38):
if that's not what you want or are comfortable with.
They don't understand your hurt, pain and anger. Protect your
mental and emotional well being and your peace. Consider going
low contact with them after your grandmother passes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Take care.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
I really I want to briefly touch on something in
that comment. It says they don't understand your hurt, pain
and anger, which is true. It's like those are sometimes
when we go through that, it's like it's really hard.
But then the next sentence is protect your mental and
emotional well being and your peace. But by identifying that
you have hurt, pain and anger that others can't understand
and that you have to just like hold on to yeh,

(01:10:13):
that's not good for your mental health well being. It's
like when we experience negativity and like negative emotions and
you know, like hurt, pain and anger, It's like the
ideal situation is to process it and move through it
and then have it be in your like let go
of it where it's now. It's your every waking moment
isn't informed by the fact that you're no contact with
your mom and you don't like her, and that she

(01:10:35):
hurt you and that you had you have a painful
childhood and you're angry about it. You gotta work through
that and then let go of it or else to
pay that all that stuff is a detriment to your
mental health.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Right maybe they're just focusing on the like working through
it part and just like that's what to do next
and right now, just needed.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
I felt that there was a conflict of interest there.
Comment three says this is going to sound cold. Oh boy,
it's your grandmother's brain tumors talking. In the end, your
grandmother won't know the difference. She'll be passed away. Keep
your peace of mind. You're not the a hole. There
is an update.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Oh boy.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Firstly, I want to thank everyone for your messages. They
have made me feel a lot better at my decision
not to lie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Dah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Interesting last night, my youngest cousin, Sarah, from the aunt
I do talk with, surprise me with a visit at
around eight thirty. She had just come from visiting our
grand Along with asking when I was next visiting, she
again brought up the idea of me lying to my
grand I won't lie. I ended up in tears, saying
this felt very much like emotional blackmail. She insisted that

(01:11:40):
wasn't the intention, and that they all just hated seeing
my grand so focused and upset about this. I explained
that I wouldn't be lying to her, not only because
I didn't think it was right, but also because I
knew my mother would take advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I don't want to see her again.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
I told Sarah how I've spent the majority of my
life bottling up emotions to be there for everyone else,
but I just can't do it anymore. Having them show
up unannounced, especially so close to my kids' bedtime, just
to pressure me into lying, was making me not want
to visit my gran at all. They weren't letting me
grieve and process my grand's impending passing. Her response was

(01:12:14):
to tell me that if I didn't visit, my granddad
would hate me. She knows I'm closest to him. Then
she pointed at my house and said, you have two
kids in there, and we're the only part of the
family they talked to. We wouldn't be there if you
don't go. I immediately told you to leave and called
her out for that statement. And by the way, I'm
calling out this statement as true. You can listen to

(01:12:35):
full episodes with stories just like this on Spotify. iHeartRadio,
Apple podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts, just search okay, storytime.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Oh yeah, that's all you gotta do. He's busy. You
can listen to your ears pop off your head exactly,
you know, which has not happened anytime soon.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
I hope we have a little more story left, Angie,
are you lying to Grandma?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yeah, I'm lying to Grandma.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
I'm pro lying, and then, just like you know, being
honest with everyone else, play it up as the Grandma
is like still alive, and then once once she goes,
be like yes, psike everyone Zike, don't want to see you,
don't like your relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I just wanted her to feel better.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Right, I was just looking out for a passing elders'
final wishes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
I'm just doing that for Grandma and Grandma only, not
for any of you, just her.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Let's get into the end of the story. Despite how
that made me feel, I'm planning to.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
Go tomorrow on my own to see my grand I'm
hoping that because of what happened, they won't plan on
ganging up on me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
While I'm there.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
My plan is to just tell my grand how much
the kids and I love her and distract her with
more cheerful talk. If the subject of my mother has
brought up, I plan to simply say that I can't
forgive somebody who has never apologized or taken accountability, and
that is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
The end of that story.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
And I wish I could shout at the top of
my freaking lungs, Wow, that feels like the wrong place
to make your last stand. My guy, anything to give
her some semblance of peace or relief.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Yeah, I'll think about it. You know, we'll see how
that's gonna go. You know what I mean, Like, you
don't have to be like, yes, I'll do that. You're welcome,
you know what I mean, Like you can find a
happy medium.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I feel with that. Yeah, I don't agree that distraught
about it. If she was like, I.

Speaker 6 (01:14:24):
Need you to come and sit in front of me
and talk for five hours, yeah, about everything, then it'd
be like, well, Grandma, I can't do that, but I
can try. I can try to be okay with her, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
And we'll move forward. We'll try to move forward starting
over at zero. Yeah, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
I mean honestly, like again, not speaking to his situation,
but in most cases that's usually a good way to
go about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeah, I agree. I agree,

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