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I caught my boyfriend cheating because of his smart watch.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
I guess he wasn't as smart as his watch. Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I twenty eight female, got cheated on by my ex,
let's call him Charles, twenty eight male, two years ago
after an almost six year relationship, and I found out
in an unbelievable way. Here is the backstory of our relationship.
We started dating in the fall of twenty seventeen when
we met in college. Things were great for the first
few years. We both graduated, went on trips, got along

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with each other's families and friends, and started talking about marriage.
Then things started to go downhill once we were living together.
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Speaker 5 (01:02):
I'm Sophia, I'm Carly, you know I'm Keon.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
We lived on a gravel road with two dogs. The
house got dirty easily and needed to be swept in
vacuumed daily. He would never sweep or vacuum, no matter
how many times I would ask him to help. Charles
wanted to convert an old treehouse that was on the
property into a chicken coop. I told them that I
did not want chickens, but he said we were getting
them anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Besides the fact of the logistics, just motistically, I don't
get it, but OPI doesn't want the chickens, and he
just said, too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I told them that I did not want to be
responsible for taking care of them because I didn't want
them in the first place, and he said that he
would take care of them. He never took care of them.
I would like, literally, I personally would never do this.
But if I were you, I would just not take
care of them. Personally, I would feel bad and I
would take care of the chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
How about them?

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Feel bad for the chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
But like, if you wanted to be really if you
want to be really brutal, don't do anything. I know
I feel bad. Don't do that. Don't do that. If
you were more rude, put.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Down your boundaries and do it.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
But like I, But I would never do that. I
would never do that. I would take care of the
chickens because I had chickens and I love chickens. I
cleaned their coop on a weekly basis, fed them, collected
the eggs, and fixed the coop after foxes had gotten
into it. You know what, I take it back, Take
care of the chickens. Dump your boyfriend.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeuh, keep the chickens. You didn't want he bought.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Get rid of him, put him in the treehouse. A
few times. I asked if you could fill the fifty
five gallon drum that he set up for their water dispenser.
He got mad at me that he had to do
everything for them. Yes, you do have to do everything
for them.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
They're your chickens.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
The last two years that we were together, I was
in grad school. I worked two part time jobs in
addition to taking classes and doing field placement hours for
my degree. I was very busy, and we got maybe
one or two days every month when we would both
be off work together and able to spend time together.
On those days, he would ask if it was all
right for him to go on a short hike in
the morning and then hang out the rest of the day.

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When he got back home, I would always say yes
because I knew he hiking and I didn't want to
tell him not to do something he loved. Well, Charles's
short hikes would turn into him being gone for eight
to ten hours. When he would get home, I would
tell him I was upset and thought he was going
to be home sooner than he was. He would tell
me that I overreacted and to let it go. He

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was always late when it came to doing things with
my family and friends. If we were supposed to leave
at a specific time, that is when he would get
into the shower to start getting ready. For example, I
would tell him we needed to leave at five thirty
because we were meeting up with my parents at six.
He would go into the bathroom at five thirty to
start getting ready.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
That's when you start lying about the times you gotta leave. Yeah,
he should be better about that, but that's when you
lie about the times.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Or you break up with him or that. And then
we would leave at six. More than once. My family
had called us and asked why we were late, and
Charles said it was no big deal and it didn't matter.
Because his family wasn't strict on their times when there
were plans. I tried multiple times to explain to him
that my family puts a time and place for a reason,
and it's rude and disrespectful to not care about it.

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One time, I told him a time earlier than when
we needed to leave, so we would end up being
on time because he was always late. I told him
on the way home that night that I told him
an earlier time, and he called me a liar for
doing that. Dump him.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
He was probably still late somehow.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Another time I didn't monitor the time of him getting
ready at all. I reminded him two hours before we
were supposed to leave, and that was it. About twenty
minutes after the time we're supposed to leave, I told
him we were late, and he got mad that I
didn't give him reminders to go it ready. I would
be the only person who would cook, clean, take care
of the animals, take care of the garden, and organize
presents for family birthdays. In Christmas, I would ask Charles

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to please help out around the house because I was
in grad school and working two jobs. While also taking
care of the majority of the responsibilities around the house.
What does he do?

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Can we get a list of anything?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Literally? What does he do?

Speaker 5 (04:52):
He?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Uh? He complains he wants chickens.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, and also I got anything he does?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Do?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
You have to tell him mind him which is just
a mental you know, stress for you.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
You're like, he's a calendar and a planner at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, you're his assistant and also the boss. Too many jobs.
You would tell me that since most days when I
worked it, it wouldn't be until the afternoon, I had
plenty of time in the morning to be taking care
of the house. Ooh ooh, why are we with him?
I explained to him that isn't fair for me to
be doing the majority of the housework just because my
time off during the day was in the morning and

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not in the evening like his was. Charles would then
tell me that I needed to make him a list
and reminders of the things that needed to be done.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
You are not his mother crazy that he could write
his own list.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Write your own list.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Figure out what it needs to be done.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
In your own house. If you don't know what chores
need to be done in the house that you live in,
what's going on? This would make me angry? Because he
lived in the house too, so he should know what
needs to be done to take care of it. And
if he did need a list, then he should make
one for himself. You would say that I needed to
make the list for him, since I would ask him
to do things all the time. He would leave his

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dirty clothes all over the house. Those were just the
reoccurring things that would make me angry, upset, or irritated.
We started growing apart, but I wanted to make it
work because we lived together and had two dogs together.
A few months leading up to me finding out he
was cheating, he grew distant. He wouldn't hang out with
me for longer than an hour, or if it was
longer than an hour, then it was a movie so

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we didn't have to talk. I saw text on his
phone with a girl from work that felt thirty. Ope,
you put up with way too much, way too much.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
I fully forgot the title of this story, and I
was like, right, yeah, he's just terribless. And then it's also.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
That when I asked him about it, he got mad
at me for looking at his phone. He then changed
his passcode. The night I found out he was cheating
on me, he said he was going to a bonfire
at a coworker's house at nine thirty pm. He hadn't
come home yet, and I hadn't heard from him in hours.
I decided to go to bed, and I texted him
and told him that's what I was doing. I woke
up at about midnight and he still wasn't home and

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he hadn't message me at all. So I called him.
It rang twice and then went to voicemail. I thought
maybe he pressed the wrong button when trying to answer,
so I called again. It rang four times and then
went to voicemail. At this point I knew that Charles
was ignoring my calls. I called a third time and
the phone call was answered, but not intentionally Orl's a
smart watch answered the phone call, and on the other

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end of the line, I heard him and another woman
being intimate.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Oh, no smartwatch for this smart watch?

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I thought this was going to be kind of like
a whoop situation, where it was going to be like, because.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
It tracks, why is he exercising?

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Apparently according to right, I thought it.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Was going to be like you exercise. I thought it
was gonna be like she could see the texts on
it or something like he left to watch and it
was like lighting up a bunch or something.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, don't be like this man. Be anybody else but
this man. And also don't cheat. You automatically suck, but
definitely this man. There's no redeeming traits for this man. None.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
You're take his chicken, kick him out, Let that woman
have him.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
He offers nothing to you.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, let the chickens run and be like, look at
all those chickens.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Take his chickens. Start an egg business.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Sell the eggs, sell the egg money, keep the chickens.
Dump the man. Invest in that smarrow.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Invest in that smartch I suppose I started yelling his
name because I didn't know what to do. Then I
heard the girl say what the heck is that? And
the line went away silent. Charles then texted me and
said he wasn't coming home tonight because he didn't feel good.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
He's caught up in something.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I immediately started having a panic attack. I called my
sister and she got me calm down enough to start
packing my stuff right then and there. I had friends
who came over immediately, and we had all of my
stuff packed up and in my parents' house in less
than twelve hours. Two years later, I am now engaged
to a man who has shown me more respect, understanding, patience,

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love and support than I ever got from Charles.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
And where are the chickens?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Common Wine? Did the knuckle I'd ever reach out? Opie
says he did. About three weeks post breakup, I went
to a friend's wedding that he also went to. I
didn't talk to him, but after I left, he texted me.
He said that I looked really good and he wasn't
able to stand up from the table because of how
a certain area of his body reacted to see me. Ew,
I hope you have a moment where you were like, wow,

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I was dating that.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
That's the first thing he says back to you.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my god, he sounds like a perverse, disgusting gross
You reply, I was just wondering because he didn't seem
the type to go quietly. Just a feeling I got,
Opie says. I sent his parents a video explaining what
had happened. Since he didn't come home before I was
out of there, I ardered from his cousin that he
was mad that I did that, and a majority of
the family was not talking to him because of what

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he did. His grandmother is the head of the family
and she basically shunned him. He also supposedly started dating
the girl he was cheating on me with, and no
one would speak to her at family gatherings. Comment two says,
please tell me you took the dogs. Sounds like they
would pass away if it were up to him to
take care of them. Oh, he says, I took one
of the dogs. Unfortunately there was not room at my parents'
house to take them both. I took the one that

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was more bonded with me, and I had to leave
the one that was more bonded with my ex. I
think about my baby boy a lot and worry about him. No,
hope that dog is okay.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Go back for the pluck.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
We'll get that dog. We get that dog.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
You could give him to a friend. Please anywhere else,
anywhere else but here. My boyfriend's ex wants to be
friends with me, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Then don't be friends.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
And this comes directly from the Okay storytime subrodteit I
twenty two female to mail was the a hole back
in high school when I first met my boyfriend twenty one,
also female to male freshman year it was before either
of us came out as gender diverse guys, and so
we were just both nerdy byes with a lot in common.
Sounds like the start of a great friendship, except he

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is the only person I've ever experienced love at first
sight before. By the way, this comes from Active Towns
forty four twenty six. You want to submit your own stories,
go to the r slash Okay storytime sub reddit.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I'm Carly, I'm Sophia.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
You know I'm Keon.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
As soon as I saw him, I was attracted to
him and wanted to date him. Only problem he had
a girlfriend. They'd been dating since eighth grade, but it
was clear they weren't very romantic. They acted more like
best friends than romantic partners. My partner at the time,
crush who I'll call Alex, complained to me about this,
saying that they wanted to be more serious romantically with

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Phoebe also fake name, but that she just wasn't interested
in that. So I did an admittedly bad thing and
began flirting with Alex behind Phoebe's back, becoming good friends
with them both with the intention to steal Alex.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Ooh uh, that's messy.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
O B.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Petty high school stuff that I've since outgrown. To be clear,
I didn't like Phoebe, where me and Alex had a
lot in common, not just shows and things we liked,
but in our passion for right now and how we communicated.
Phoebe and I had common interest, but we liked these
things for different reasons. The things I disliked about shows
and movies were her favorite parts, et cetera. Despite not

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liking her, I pretended to be very close with her
so I could be close to Alex.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh, P, that's kind of psycho.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
One year later, and it worked. Alex broke up with
Phoebe and asked me out. No, he asked Phoebe if
it would be okay to ask me out after they
broke up, and Phoebe said it was fine and they
worked better as friends anyway. I said yes, and me
and my partner have been together since the start of
sophomore year. After this, I begin to distance myself from Phoebe,

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stopped responding to messages and invites to hang out. I
still hung out with her and Alex together during high school,
but once we graduated, I stopped seeing her completely. Fast
forward to now, me and Alex are going strong despite
my childish way of getting him. He is truly my
person and I love him so much. He is still
friends with Phoebe, but they aren't as close. I didn't

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learn why until recently. Over the years, Phoebe has tried
to hang out and tried to get me to be
her friend, and as I've matured and realized what I
did was wrong, the guilt had built up. So with
Alex's permission, I sent a long text telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
How I never really wanted to be their friend. How
I'd only done it to get Alex.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Wait, I'm sorry? How Iver?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
I apologize and explained that I feel awful for leading
them on and for ignoring them for so long. I
sent it expecting an angry text back, but instead she
said she understood. Fast forward a few months and I
get more texts from Phoebe asking to hang out.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Oh is she trying to steal her ex back?

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Man?

Speaker 5 (13:46):
I ignored them at first, but as they got more pushy,
even asking Alex to get me to respond. Alex, for
his part, said he would pass the message along, but
it wasn't his business and if I wasn't responding, that
was my choice. He knows I I don't like her,
and he accepts that we just don't drive as people.
I finally responded, reiterating that I had been leading her

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on as far as friendship goes, and that although I
was sorry for my behavior in the past, I didn't
really have time for a friendship now. I was trying
to be nice at this point. I had to send
a similar message two months later. Then, when she invited
me to her twenty first birthday party, saying Alex would
be there as a way to entice me into coming,

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I was very blunt. I'm not direct quoting everything for anonymity,
but I will direct quote some things like this. I
sent her a text saying, Hey, so, the last thing
I want is to damage your relationship with Alex. It's
why I've been hesitant to say anything. But I admitted
to you how I felt about our friendship in high
school and my true intentions back then, expecting things to

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end there, but they haven't. I don't want to hurt you,
and I genuinely am glad you're getting yourself out there
and everything. But I'm not your friend, Phoebe. I never was,
and it's not right but it's the truth. It's how
I feel. I barely keep up with friendships with people
that don't go to my school, and at least on
my end, our bond was always artificial. So I'm sorry,

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but I can't go to your party because well, I'm
sure it would be fun. I would only be going
because Alex is going, and that isn't fair to you.
It isn't you deserve friends that give you more than
one word responses. Once again, I'm sorry for hurting you.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Honesty is Honesty is a quality. It could be good,
it could be bad, but it's.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
So you're still really harsh.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
On the other hand, guy, why.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Is she still trying?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Though?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
She responded saying I didn't hurt her and that back
then she could tell I was only around for Alex.
She said, however, I thought something could grow from that.
But if that's where you want to end it, okay,
I thought, finally she had understood. Then a week ago
I get a message from her asking to meet in
person to catch up and fix unresolved things between us.

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I was confused because on my end we had resolved everything.
I messaged back and said, I don't want there to
be bad blood between us, but that I didn't want
to meet in person, and if there were problems she
wanted to discuss, I'd be happy to hash it out
over text. She once again pushed to meet in person,
saying that she hadn't seen me in forever and she
wanted to hear how I was doing. I thought I

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had been blunt but polite the last time.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Oh, you certainly were blunt.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
The last time, but it seemed she still wasn't getting it.
So I responded with an admittedly harsh message. But in
my defense, I had told this girl.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
In every nice and polite way I could pace and
I didn't want to be her friend.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Only reason I let it go on so long is
because I know she is still important to my partner.
But I was at my breaking point, so I said
I won't hang out at your place. I won't catch
up with you. Phoebe. You are a nice person. I've
said it before, but I made it clear we are
not friends. I don't want to be friends. I'm sorry

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that's harsh, but I've tried to be nice to walk
around the issue for the sake of you and my partner.
But I'm just so lost as to why you think
we should catch up like old pals. We aren't, and
we're never true friends. It's the truth, and I can't
be nice about it anymore. She when nuclear, responding with

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I've tried being nice to you as well, and I
can't be nice about it anymore. The way you carry
yourself is cowardice and cocky. You couldn't be bothered to
talk to me in real life like a person. I
want to see what Alex sees in you, but I
just can't. Every person you interact with has left a
bad taste in their mouth, and it's not their fault.
You've only played people like chess pieces. Not once have

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you denied that have fun changing for the better if
you have at all. This was extremely out of character
for someone who Contstany said it was fine and that
I hadn't done anything wrong and everything was fine even
when I apologized, I wrote back, Wow, what a shocking
thing to say. I was like that when I was fifteen.

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But I've grown as a person enough to know and say, hey,
I don't want to be your friend. Sorry. It's not
that I don't view you as a person, it's just
that that's simply all I have to say. I wish
you the best, but I don't have to give you
a chance to be friends just because I feel guilty
for manipulating you over five years ago. I admit I

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manipulated you back then, which is why I came clean
to stop leading you on. But you kept coming back
asking to hang and be friends when I tried to
be clear. You really hit deep with that comment about
leaving a bad taste in people's mouth mouths. That was
a low thing to say, especially when I have nothing
bad to say about you. We just don't drive as
people together, and I've always recognized that, so you attacking

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me for setting boundaries is quite immature. I would appreciate
if you don't don't contact me again. Once again, I
wish you the best.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
What is this game? It seems like a very bad game.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yea, my man.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
As I was about to block her, she said that
I could have at least done it overcall, because she
wanted to see if I had really changed as a person.
I simply responded that I don't owe her that she
doesn't have to see who I am now because I
don't want a relationship with her. Then I blocked her.
I told my boyfriend about all of this, and he
said something shocking. He said months ago when I sent

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the last nice message politely declining an invite to hang out.
So before I was blunt with the party situation, Phoebe
had called him saying he should dump me because I'm
harmful and toxic, and tried to claim I was attacking
her verbally over text. My boyfriend shut that down because
I had talked to him every time she reached out
to me to make sure I wasn't being too harsh.

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He had seen what I had been sending her and
none of it was impolite. She then said that she
had only said that to make him see reason, but
that I was still about person who doesn't deserve him.
My boyfriend said he loved me and wasn't going to
leave me. Then Phoebe said, well, if he ever does
anything to you, I'll handle it. I know where he lives,

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works and goes to school. This is why my boyfriend
isn't as close with her anymore.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
This is concerning.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
It's because she had threatened me. Only reason my boyfriend
didn't tell me was because my great grandmother, who I
was close with, had just passed away and he didn't
want to add more stress. He had hoped the situation
would just go away. I'm a bit annoyed with him
for it, but I see where he's coming from. So
am I the a hole for not wanting to be
friends with my partner's ex and former best friend. Was

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there a better way to approach? Absolutely part of me
wonders if I should have kept trying the nice approach
or tried to meet up in person with her. But
the other part, with the information I have now, wonders
that the invite to me in real life was for
her to go after me. Any advice is appreciated, though
I honestly hope this is the end. I think it's
always good to reflect on your actions, and that is

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the end. And now I am one hundred percent back
on our train of why was she suddenly pushing so
hard to meet up?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I agree? I refuse to invite my ex husband's wife
to our daughter's party because she said so?

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Who said so?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I don't know. I thirty two female, have a daughter,
nine going on ten female with my ex husband, thirty
six male. We divorced when she was three. He then
remarried one of his coworkers, let's call her Mary. They
also have a son together, six male. My daughter's birthday
is in nine days. I reviewed with my daughter things
for her birthday, like the theme the cake. By the way,
this comes from deleted and if you want to submit

(21:38):
your own stories, go to the r slash Okay storytime
separate it. I'm Sophia, I'm.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Carly, and I'm Keon and no, he says, here's the issue.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
When we were going through the guest list, she looked anxious.
When I asked what was wrong, she told me that
she did not want to invite Mary. I asked her why,
and she explained to me that Mary would make weird
comments sometimes around other parents or to her. For example,
when Mary would pick her up from dance lesson, she
would hear Mary say things like that's why I prefer

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boys girls only, like pink and tutus. He also told
me that every time her brother, Mary an ex husband's kid,
would do something to annoy her, like breaking her toys,
calling her name, starting a fight, Mary would always defend
her son and punish her every time and say boys
will be boys or some crap like that. I asked
about her dad and she said that Mary does that

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even when her dad is around, but he's always in
his office, so it's like a free pass. Later on,
I called her father. He asked for the day of
the party. Her real birthday is a school day. I
told him that his wife was not invited, and I
think I was on loud speaker because I heard Mary
screaming at me, saying that I destroy a family. Am
I the ale for not inviting my ex husband's wife

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to my daughter's birthday party because she told me not to.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Nope, no, nope, it's your daughter's birthday, and she gets
to make the invite list and she gets to be
the most comfortable because it's her birthday party.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Not invited to our birthday party?

Speaker 5 (23:02):
This is like that other movie that you're so not
invited into my exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Okay, just for precision. My daughter's half sibling is four
years younger than her. She was born in April, while
he was born in March. The next year after the divorce,
he just turned six. But it is true that we
divorced because my ex husband told me he was in
love with Mary and wanted to confess. We have fifty
to fifty custody. He has a busy job. My daughter

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explained to me that she never told me or her
dad that she was scared of ruining her father's marriage
because he seems happy. And there is an update, folks,
But what do you think, oh he should do?

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Do not invite Mary. Yeah, I don't want to see
Mary anywhere near that party.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Mary, you better not even come sniffing within twenty miles.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
And if they can't show up without Mary, then none
of them can come, none of you.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Listen, if my future prince or princess asked me within
the reasons of their birthday party, and I can do it,
I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I can get my little princess a pony like.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I can't get you Mars honey. But I can get
you what yours are. I can get you like a
little toy planet. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So a lot happened. First of all, I met my
ex for lunch alone. I explained everything that my daughter
told me. At first, he was defensive and told me
that she was overreacting. I replied that even if it
were true, his relationship with his daughter is at risk.
I gave him a choice, fix the problem or I
go back to court for more custody. Friday, when I
came to pick my daughter up at his house. I

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talked to her in private, and she told me that
her dad spent time with her, picking her up from
school activities, helping her with homework, and playing with her.
Mary then told me that she accepted not going to
the party, but still wanted to see my daughter blow
out her candles on her actual birthday. She baked a
cake and asked her my daughter, if she was okay
with doing it before leaving. She seemed okay with it,

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so we gathered around the cake, my daughter, Mary X
and half brother uh oh, and my daughter blew out
the candles. Mary Junior decided that the good thing to
do would be to smash my daughter's face into the cake.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
Oh no, wow, and no wonder. You're not invited to
the birthday party. Yep, I hope you took the candles
out first, because it doesn't sound like you did.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
It doesn't sound like it. Be honest, if this was
not a kid, I would be in prison. And Mary
burst out laughing while my daughter was crying.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
You ruined her birthday.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Birthday, She literally ruined her birthday.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
And I know this is like a monsters the shoving
the face and the cake. I know it happens in
like a lot of like South American cultures, a lot
of like Mexican parties, they do that, like you see
videos of that.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
But if that was standard for this family, I don't
think she would have included this.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Mary then told her that she was being dramatic and
I'm we Mary X and I got into an argument,
and to my surprise, my ex husband was on my side.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Good.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I would have picked that back up and put it
right back.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'd be like, oh, you're too.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
Oh are you mad about it?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Saying that I was not okay, well, our king. I
noticed that my daughter was not there, so I left
to check on her. I helped her clean herself, and
then we left for my house. I tried to cheer
her up, but she was still a little sad. The
party went well. Her dad came and during the party
I told him that I want more custody because of
his wife's bullying, and I'll update you if more happens.
Precision two. Some of you ask questions about my daughter's reaction.

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My daughter is a really shy and silent kit except
for me and her dad. She does not talk unless
spoken to or if you bring up a subject that
she likes. When something upsets her, she just stays silent
and cries. It's always been like that, and it is
what she did. Started crying, went to a room, and
there is an update. I really hope this is a
huge wake up call for her dad.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
I hope. So I'm so glad that he was on
yeah peace side, Yeah, which I would have been telling.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Well, it just seems like he was never around to
see his bullying happening.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
So I feel like that means, though, that you will
be free to not have to worry about her coming
to the birthday party because he's now probably fully on
your side for that.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, the birthday already happened.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Oh the party did too. Oh okay, yeah, and I
was reversed in the timeline.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
It just like it they went after this. So basically
they had made the plan to do the cake before
the party, and then they went to the party.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Oh when they said before the party, I thought they
meant full other day. Yeah, no, that's what I had
to go to a party after this, right after.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Being no cake smashed into her face that many of
you asked, or an update after the cake incident, I
asked my daughter questions about whether Mary or her half
brother had ever laid hands on her, laid such pranks
on her, or behaved inappropriately. We never know. She told
me no, explaining that the fights with her half brother
are mainly him annoying her. I also inquired if anyone

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else from either side of the family had made her
uncomfortable in any way, and again she said no. Since
my last post, she has been seeing her psychiatrist twice
a week. The bullying apparently started about two months ago.
I don't know if it's related, although I'm sure it is,
but it was also around the time that Mary had
a miscarriage. Be honest, I feel like a terrible mom.
I did not see the signs, and I'm trying to

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fix everything. Last night, my ex husband called me at
around ten pm from outside my house, saying he wanted
to talk. I let him in, and because I don't
trust him, I really don't, I recorded the whole conversation
with his consent. He told me that since the party
he's been thinking about what to do, and yesterday he
told Mary about my desire for more custody. From what
he said, she didn't think it was such a bad

(28:21):
idea because my daughter wasn't fitting into their family dynamic.
Oh your face isn't fitting into my family dynamic. Get
out of here, ye, Mary.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Need some cake on it.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
They started to argue, and at one point she began
cursing me and my daughter. Apparently I'm a sneaky be
word who is bitter about her affair with my ex husband,
and my daughter is a spoiled, bratty princess who needs correction.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Larry is coming from you, Mary.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yup.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
He told me that now he has to choose between
which woman he loves the most. This is when he
had the click moment. He left the house, drove around,
and then showed up at my place. He has decided
to stay at a friend's house while he thinks about
his relationship with Mary. Our daughter will stay with me
during the week and visit him on the weekends. I
told him that if he is going to get back
together with Mary, I will continue to pursue full custody,

(29:07):
but if they divorce, it will depend on his custody
arrangement with his son, because I don't want him around
my daughter. He agreed, and there is a third update.
Earlier in the week, my ex husband asked if he
could come by, saying he had something important to tell me.
He explained that last Friday, Mary Junior got into trouble
at school for cursing at a girl. Long story short,
He had confessed his feelings to her, the niece of

(29:28):
the school director, and she rejected him. Apparently, he then
started shouting insults at her that no six year old
should know, let alone say.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Well, well, Mary, looks like you should parent your child.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Because of this incident and our daughter's situation, he decided
to divorce Mary. He will be served the divorce papers
next week. He also plans to pay for Mary to
attend therapy because he still wants to have a relationship
with her son. We meeting my ex husband, Our daughter
and I will also be attending family therapy together. My
daughter is happier now and that is the only thing
that matters me. For the summer, I plan to take

(30:01):
her to Japan to see my side of the family.
I am still pursuing full custody of my daughter, with
visitation for my ex husband on the weekends. If and
only if Mary Junior's behavior improves, I will allow him
and my daughter to interact again. My ex husband is
also pursuing full custody of his son as he should.
As he should because clearly this son is not being

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parented correctly by Mary, because he should.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Not be knowing these words, and he should take no
as an answer.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I still do not trust my ex husband, so I'm
keeping my eyes on him and the way he will
raise our daughter. I don't understand why people assume I'm
going to be nice to him. Am I polite? Yeah? Nice?

Speaker 5 (30:41):
No.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I am not pursuing more custody because he wants his son,
but also because his recent promotion means he works more
and does not have time to take care of our
daughter during the weekdays. That responsibility falls to me. For
some reason, someone asked about our races. I am Japanese
and as is my ex husband. Well, Mary is white
and French. Although I am Japanese, I was raised in France,

(31:03):
so French is my first language, followed by Japanese and
then English and volks. That's the end of that story.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
John here og host, We're gonna get back to these stories,
but a quick three minute break from as for more sponsors.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
I refuse to pay for my son's rehearsal dinner because
I can't stand his fiance honestly valid. Just for a background,
my husband and I have three sons, Lewis thirty two,
Cyril twenty seven, and Jamie twenty two. Cyril has been
with his girlfriend Rosa twenty seven for five years, and

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Jamie has been with his now wife, Lucy twenty for
a bit longer. We are all very close since it
was just this year that my oldest two boys moved out.
Jamie and Lucy and their two year old daughter, Letty
will be living with us for a few more years
since Lucy is still in school. We are absolutely fine
with this. They are both helpful, sweet and wonderful pair

(32:00):
despite everything. Plus, they're not taking my grand baby anywhere
as long as I can help it. Hello. By the way,
this comes from Reliniscent seven seven seven, and if you
want to submit your own stories, go to the r
slash Okay storytime subreddit.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I'm Carly, I'm Dakota.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
And op says Lewis started dating Jessa thirty six, female
about a year ago and got engaged a few weeks ago.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not totally sure about her,
but he seems happy and has been through a lot.
I don't want to be some evil mother in law
and have really tried getting to know her, but I
think we're just very different. She's kind of conservative politically,

(32:41):
and my husband is a US citizen but was born
in Mexico, so as you can imagine, I do not
support and did not vote for the current administration.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
ROSA.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Lucy and I have bonded in the past by going
to Rally's protests, et cetera, and this all came up.
When I tried including Jessa and invited her, she declined
and sent me a long text. Nothing crazy, QAnon, but
like we'd call them Reagan Republicans in my day, not
that it's the same these days at all. It was
still so awkward, but I've continued trying to invite her

(33:13):
to non political things, but I think that one invitation
soured things. Other than politics. I have also found Jess's
attitude towards Jamie and especially Lucy gross. I'm not stupid.
I don't think that two people with such a big
age gap would become vffs, but Jessa seems to go
out of her way to make snide comments about Lucy

(33:33):
when she's not there. I haven't said anything because it's
her wedding and one hundred percent her choice, but also
think it's odd that she asked Rosa to be a
bridesmaid but was even saying she didn't know if they'd
be inviting Lucy to the reception. She thinks she should
stay home watching Letty because she won't have fun since
she won't let her drink. The venue does allow people

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under twenty one, and one of her sisters is nineteen
and invited, also showing Lucy pictures of her sister, Jamie
would walk down the aisle. Rosa and Lucy have both
acknowledged it, but haven't seemed too upset. It's still gross.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, honestly, why.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Is your son dating this woman?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think, uh, it's pretty problematic. And I think the
people who are like maybe being excluded or being talked
nasty to, They're like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I don't want to go to your stupid wedding.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Lucy's a wife. Lucy's the twenty year old wife of Jamie.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yes, and I don't want to support anything that this
woman's involved. It's one thing about just like not liking her.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
I don't want to support Jessa. I don't support Jessa
at all.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
It's like, this is someone who's just like actively How
can you.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Be engaged to someone that actively probably hates your dad.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
She wants to support your dad.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Yeah, she support your dad, Lucy for we don't even
know why if she's against the probably because.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
She's just like a young woman. And literally that's it.
She's like young and I resent her for being young
and vibrant.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
There we go.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Anyways, Jessa texted us earlier asking about the budget for
the rehearsal dinner, and I just feel like I don't
want to spend any more money on this than I
have to. My husband thinks it's best to just leave it,
but it feels like the principle of the matter. Plus
they're not even having a rehearsal or anything, they just
want to have a dinner. My husband's dance is that

(35:20):
it's true we help Jamie and Lucy a bit more
than our other sons currently, but we paid for Cyril's
college and more expensively, Lewis's rehab seven years sober. We
are all so proud.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, go Lewis Louis.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
He said not to let politics get between family. But
even if she was a true blue liberal. I wouldn't
like the way she has been treating Jamie and Lucy. Ultimately,
I want to continue having a close relationship with my
children and their partners. But I also don't want to
be walked all over, and I don't want to seem
like I'm condoning bullying. Lucy's family completely abandoned her, so

(35:55):
we're all she has left. I don't want her to
feel like we don't care about her. At the same time,
I know I'm biased towards them, since Jamie is my
baby and I've known Lucy for so long that she's
like the daughter I never had. So would I be
the a hole if we don't pay for their rehearsal dinner?
And we have some comments? Comment one? I think snide
comments need to be addressed. Sorry, what exactly do you

(36:18):
mean by that? Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yes? I love it when you hit them with that,
when people say you go, hey, wait, what did that mean?

Speaker 5 (36:24):
Could you elaborate?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Not in like a mean way and like a wait
what did you mean by that?

Speaker 5 (36:28):
I didn't catch that. Can you say that again?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Honestly?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Even just oh sorry, what did you say?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (36:33):
And then they just have to repeat themselves.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, I know. I just didn't get it. What does
that mean.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
I didn't think an age gap meant we had to
be rude to people. Should I be mean to you
because we also have an age gap. Don't roll your
eyes at me. In this family, we don't have a
free past to be mean to other members of it.
I think you have to be fair and contribute an
equal amount to your children. She will be the mother
of your grandchildren after all. I just say, budget we
are contributing for meal is seven hundred and fifty dollars,

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and we'd like all three of our children and partners invited.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I like that commentary me too. I like that a lot.
That was good because I.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Do agree that if you've put a lot of stuff
into the other kids, it is fair for Louis.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
But either way, I'd be like, you know what, Maybe
I'd go to him. I'd be like, she wants to
depoor your dad.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
I comes back to that, I'm like, why are you
marrying this woman?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Man?

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Facebook's gonna eat us up for this one.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Look, I'm simplifying things by saying deport your dad.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
But like Opie says, I have addressed snide comments. I
mentioned the dress shopping one, but there have been other
times when I've stuck up to them and she's just
blown off what I've said. Comment to Jessa doesn't have
to make Lucy a bridesmaid, but she is coming into
your already established family and tight knit family bonds already
causing problems. Whatever her issues are with Lucy, she needs

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to swallow them and be respectful. Don't expect to get
your stuff paid for if you're showing people disrespect. Speak
to your son and address what you're uncomfortable with before
you move forward with the rehearsal dinner. Her comments need
to be confronted before they escalate. Yet, Also, why isn't
Lewis out here being like my sister in law that

(38:11):
I've known forever, who's like a sister in this family?
Is coming to the wedding?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Exactly what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Talk to your son to offer a moderate budget for
them and inform your son you expect to see Lucy
and Jamie there. Reply, but it sounds like she doesn't
even want Lucy at her wedding or the child. Opie says,
Letty is the flower girl. She's just not invited to
the reception as it's child free. Jess's plan is for

(38:38):
Lucy to take Letty after the ceremony and stay home
that night with her. And if that is the case,
Jamie has said he'll drop out of the wedding. Yeah,
you can get a babysitter for that.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
And she's a very transparent effort to try to exclude,
Like what you're saying, like a member of your family. Yeah,
from the wedding, from the reception.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Kind of weird to me. We went up todate though.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah. I would just press her and be like, what
is your problem with her? Yeah? Why do you have
a problem with her?

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Press Lewis, why do you not care that your fiance
has a problem with your what is essentially your sister.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Thanks for all of your advice on my last post.
As I mentioned, I want to be a good mother
in law. I remember when my boys were young and
we'd watch Everybody Loves Raymond and saying I would never
be a Marie. I mentioned our political differences to be upfront,
I know it's a bias, but it's not the main
reason I dislike Jessa, just one of them. I get
that I would be the a hole to not pay

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for their rehearsal dinner. A few of you gave me
the advice to just let my kids work it out,
and some of you said to talk to Lewis one
on one, so I invited him to lunch yesterday. Before that,
I had texted the two of them back saying that
we'd love to plan them a rehearsal dinner and to
let us know if they had any ideas, and Jesso
sent us a contract for a place with an eleven

(39:55):
K minimum. We have about ten K saved up for
each of our kids for their weddings, first homes and honeymoons.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Eleven thousand for the rehearsal.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
What that's some people's whole weddings and honeymoons and more.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Who do you think you are?

Speaker 5 (40:10):
I cannot imagine going to someone and being like, well,
my dinner tonight is eleven K and you're paying for
it when especially because remember her proposed number was seven
hundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, this insanity.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Oh here's one before you ask. We spent about seven
hundred and fifty dollars on Lucy and Jamie's entire wedding,
much cheaper because all their friends didn't drink, and I
didn't want him to feel like I was only taking
him to lunch to talk about the wedding, So we
did talk about quite a few other things before I
asked him how the wedding planning was going. He kind
of shrugged, like you know how it is. So I

(40:45):
asked if I could help it anyway. He declined and
thanked me for helping with the rehearsal dinner. I told
him the cost was more than we were planning, but
we are happy to do so for family.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Edit.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
Sorry to spell it out. He acknowledged that Lucy would
be invited to the wall festivities. He got kind of
flustered at that and just started laying into me about
how angry he was at Jamie.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I don't know. I think you've been going about this
the right way. I want to know what's going on
with Jamie.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Okay, keep reading.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I need to know what's going on with Jamie.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
I told some of you, but originally Jamie was supposed
to be best man. He and Louis were always so close.
When Jamie had first moved out of our house a
few years ago, he would call Louis every single day
and they'd talk forever. Same thing when Lewis moved out
last year. I knew after a blow up, Jamie stepped
down as best man, but I did not realize they

(41:34):
were this angry at each other. I have never heard
Lewis talk about anyone else, much less Jamie this way.
He called him an a hole, said he needs to
grow up, stop being so controlling, and get over himself.
He said that Jamie just didn't want to see him happy.
There were other insinuations that I feel were incredibly unfair
and untrue, but I let him get out his issues.

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I know you all think I'm so overbearing, but I
had not realized the relationship had gotten so bad. I
listened to this airing of grievances for a while, and
honestly I didn't push back much. It was so shocking,
and later, when I told Jamie I had gotten lunch
with Lewis, he was just like, oh cool, Like nothing
was going on. We're just not a family that has

(42:15):
these kind of dramas. Is it because Louis has got
someone else in his ear that likes problem?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
It sounds like Jess has been Yes.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
I told my husband I just thought I should let
the boys work it out among themselves, he said, we'll see.
So not a great update. I have no idea how
this is supposed to play out or what I should do.
If anything. The wedding is in October, since they got
a good deal on a cancelation.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Okay, my sister left us in shambles after borrowing money
from the whole family.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
You should rob her.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I've spoken of bits of this stuff in other posts,
but I had to learn the hard way. My sister
can't be loaned money. She never liked paying it back,
and I have had to remind her a lot. There
weren't many times in my twenties she borrowed from me.
She borrowed stuff more than money. Then I made the
mistake of lending her my Nintendo entertainment system and her
cats destroyed it. By the way, this comes from user

(43:12):
de fox Trot eighty six, and if you want us
to meet your own stories, go to the Harsh Slash. Okay,
storytime subbured it. I'm Dakota, I'm Carly, and let's see
what ops to say. Speaking of cats, a decade ago,
she had to have a cat put down and she
called me, begging I drive over and help her. She
and all her kids piled into my old car and
we went to the vet. The elderly cat had broken
its leg badly and may have been hit by a

(43:34):
car or even like.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Booted from what the vet told us.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
We had this big emotional farewell for my sister's cat
passing away, and then right in the middle of it,
my sister looks at me while sobbing, and says, oh, pee,
can you pay for it? She sand bagged me in
the middle of that, in front of the kids. It
took her months before she paid me back, and was
embittered when she finally did. I think she was hoping
I just let it go for the sake of the cat.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Never mind.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
She also dumped a sickly cat on me for years
and barely saw it at all, then lost her mind,
calling it her baby and said I was just giving
up when the vet said the cat needed to be
put down. There were a couple of other small money
lending situations during that time. I can't remember for what,
but like always, it was a chore to get paid back.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
I don't have any sympathy for you now if you
continue to lend her money while it is not lending
per se.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Once.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Around that time, I paid a visit to my sister
and was very tired when I was at her house,
so I took a nap on her couch. I had
a habit of taking my wallet, phone, and anything else
in my pockets and putting them in my hat on
the end table before sleeping on the couch. Well after
I woke up, I found my stuff on the floor.
My nephew's had gone through the stuff in my hat
and scattered it on the floor. They did this once
when stealing my mother's purse to look for money in it.

(44:41):
They thankfully didn't steal the cash in my wallet, but
they stole all the loose change I had sitting in
that hat. I was furious and demanded my sister get
it all back. She was basically like, oh, light up,
it's just some loose change. You're teaching your kids to steal.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
But she willingly let it happen, and as many know
from reading my other posts, she's an absolutely terrible parent.
Attitude about it pissed me off, so I demanded that
I get all the change back, and even pointed out
what kind of poor example she was setting for her kids.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
She tried to brush me off and.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Say they were just kids, but I pointed out how
she let them steal from me and how I wouldn't
let that happen to her. So what kind of example
was she setting by not punishing her kids for stealing.
My sister ended up looking resigned to the fact I
wasn't letting it go. She called her kids into the
living room and told them to give the money back.
They tried to deny it with crap eating grins until
I pointed out the facts, and then they started crying because.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
They didn't want to give it back. You're raising the
little monsters everyone hates.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
It's like, Okay, boohoo, give it back.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
It's better to do this now than them try to
pull this with the police. Yeah when they're older. Yeah,
they had to go into their rooms and look for it.
They only found about two thirds of it to return
to me, but enough of an example was made. They
never stole money from me again. My sister acted like
I went too far, and I told her those boys
needed that discipline or they'd never stop. After my sister

(45:59):
destroyed her marriage and she and her husband split, she
ended up moving into an old trailer on our family property.
She had fourteen thousand dollars to her name from her
half of the house sale. When she and her ex split,
manufactured home in a trailer park. After moving in, she
was asked about getting a job. Then she'd get weepy
and say she wanted to spend the summer with her
kids and couldn't imagine not having that time with them.
We were like, okay, fair, but you'll get a job

(46:21):
once the kids go back to school, right. My sister
promised that she'd get that job once summer ended. Well,
summer ended and she didn't get that job, And when
confronted again, she used crocodile tears and whined that she
couldn't imagine being away from her boys even though they
were in school, and she was just hiding in that
old trailer all day or going out drinking with friends.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So we're not giving her any more money, right.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Right, we've learned by now, right, right? Right?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Please tell me this story doesn't end up with you
giving her more money.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Right, Certainly the title doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I can't afford the stuff for my kids, Well, then
they can come stay with me until you get back
on your feet.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Just literally, no, shame in that that's happened in like
my own family.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
It's been like where it's like, yeah, we are having
problems with finances, we can't afford stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Okay, come stay with us. Yeah. It's like the solution
is not don't give her any more money.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Please love God, help her out where you can, but
don't give her more money. Uh okay.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
This confrontation happened multiple times. Eventually, my sister spent herself
into a hole and begged her soon to be ex
husband to get back together with her. So he moved
into the trailer, but my sister told everyone it was
his idea, and she even made him buy her a
couple of dogs because.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
That's what we needed, more financial responsibility.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
More things to feed. She was also completely ungrateful when
he bought her a refurbished fridge. Soon enough, he couldn't
take it anymore and started house hunting. That's when my
sister really had no choice but to finally get a job.
My sister finally got a job to have her own income,
and then she decided she wanted a brand new trailer.
I didn't find out for years that she had talked
our grandparents into completely signing for the trailer's mortgage. My

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sister also had to get her water and power from
my house, which is a sub building I rent from
my parents. Well, she doubled my electric bill and would
pay me her half in cash, but she often delayed
for months. People told me over and over again to
shut her power off since she wouldn't pay, but my
nephews were living in there with her five days a week.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
I couldn't cut the power and leave them cold.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I was paying the power bill by check, and then
my sister convinced me to pay it digitally through her phone,
which took like five minutes each time it was done,
and no matter what kind of day she had or
was having, she'd hammerr haw about paying the bill. It
was out of my dang account and I had to
force her to get on the phone and do it
almost every time. And then there was the money she
owed me in winter. She drove up my bill to

(48:35):
over five hundred dollars a month. I'm on a fixed
income and that was basically half of what I got
a month back then, and she wasn't paying her half,
so I started keeping a record on paper of how
much she owed. She really didn't like finding out about that.
Once I confronted my sister over how she kept going
out to bars with friends and spending so much on
drinks and other things.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
When she owed me hundreds of dollars, she looked me.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Right in the eye and said, I'm not changing in
my life for your sake.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Woo. Then I'm not donating anything else to you for
your sake or helping you anymore.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna donate you some winter jackets so that
when I cut the power off at the house, you
guys can stay warm.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah mm hmmmm. So I doubled down on making her
pay me back.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
She owed me around five hundred dollars at the time,
and showed up at my door with one hundred dollar
bill and acted like that was enough. I took the
hundred and said she had four hundred left to pay.
She looked at me like I had two heads and said,
but I paid you, And I said, you made a payment,
you didn't pay at all.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
She doesn't even know how bills work.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
She gave me that look like it didn't mentally compute
and repeated, but I paid you, And I had to
tell her one hundred dollars is not five hundred dollars,
you still owe me the rest?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
She frowned and walked off. I knew what she was doing.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
She was trying to short change me and make me
call it even, but I didn't. Before long, I stopped
paying the electric bill digitally and went back to paying
with a check because my sister always made it such
a pain. When my sister finally noticed, she was like,
why would you pay with a check in the mail
when we could just use my phone? And I told
her to face that it's because she acted so dramatic
every time it was time to pay and made it

(50:10):
a complete hassle just to do it every month when
it took so little time.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
She couldn't even retort. She just looked away with a
bitter face.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
She asked me the same thing one more time on
another day, and I gave her the same reply. At
this point, I think it was more about control than
the money. My sister wanted me dependent on her. She
went through a bad phase of trying to mom me
after moving into the new trailer, and I had to
tell her off for it, But she was also constantly
trying to get me to pick her over our mother.
Our last confrontation made it clear that was not going

(50:38):
to happen. My sister eventually paid her debts to me off,
but she racked them right back up again. Around this time,
she had a terrible boyfriend that only made her worse.
She wasn't paying her half of the power bill at
all and just kept stalling whenever asked. Our mother got
involved and had it out with her. She went down
there and yelled at her that I'm on a fixed
income and she was draining me financially. Soon I got

(50:59):
a four to apology and a promise for repayment. She
and her boyfriend paid me a few hundred and that
helped me get through the holidays, but the debt was
racked right back up again. My sister owed me a
lot and then asked me for a loan of one
hundred dollars twice. On top of it, she gave me
the classic line from substance users. You know I'm good
to pay you back. She freaking wasn't. She was spending

(51:20):
most of her money on substances and booze, and she
didn't even buy winter clothes for her children. I had
to buy them after my youngest nephew came to me
in a T shirt and shorts and thirty nine degrees.
And I'm not counting the two hundred dollars I spent
on those clothes, and another one hundred and twenty I
gave her out of pity. Later she owed me eight
hundred bucks and still does. That's money I'll probably never
see again, but I'm not gonna forget it, that's for sure.

(51:42):
The last time I saw my sister, we got in
a shouting match, and among the things I yelled at her,
I brought up the eight hundred dollars she owes me.
She made a shocked face that tells me she totally forgot,
and then she quickly yelled about something else.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
Oh my god, how do you show up with one
hundred dollars thinking that that equals five hundre when in
reality it's actually like eight hundred that you owe, and
then think that you have the like entitlement to have
any control over the situation that someone else is doing
for you.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I want to cut her off forever ago. Yeah, it's like,
but we don't have power. I'd be like, because you
didn't pay.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
It, you should probably pay that so you have power. Again.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
That's what happens every single place where you live. If
you don't pay the bill, whatever you are not paying
for goes.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Away, even if it was on my card and I
agreed to do the power the second that she's not
like she's giving me trouble for doing the five minute
phone call to pay the bill, I'd be like, Okay,
I guess we're not doing it. No, I not for
to pay, but I guess we're not doing it now.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
It's not like she'll ever willingly pay me back.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
I've got no proof to take her to small acclaims
court either, not that she has the money. She keeps
moving to someplace else, like every six months because she
doesn't have a stable income. The thing that got my
sister evicted from the family property was Thanksgiving twenty twenty three.
We went out for Chinese food because no one wanted
to cook. When they went out for dinner, my sister
went to go gamble in the room with all those
machines in the back by the bar. She spent most

(53:06):
of the dinner back there and then came back bragging
about how she'd won one hundred and thirty bucks and
then dropped the money on the table in front of
us with a big smile on her face, never mind
that she owed us all money, me eight hundred and
our parents and grandparents thousands. She made two payments to
our grandparents after being evicted, and none of us have
seen a dime from her since that Thanksgiving. As my
sister smugly returned to the table, she started blatantly ignoring

(53:29):
most of us.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
I think I'd pick that money right off the table
and be like, great, now you have three hundred and sixty.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, like you'd have six hundred and seventy.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Oh yeah, we're going to date.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, so that's just for me. Let's split that up
among everyone evenly.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
I tried to talk to her repeatedly, and our stepfather
finally called her out. It resulted in a big scene,
and my sister took her kids and stormed out. Our
mother trailed after to try and calm her down, but
my sister spit venommet her. Our mother finally hit her
breaking point and told her she could get off of
her property.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
She drew up a written eviction.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Later, my sister left us with her trailer mortgage since
her name wasn't on it, and basically just walked away
to go do substances with her next boyfriend.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
I think, oh, where are the kids.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, that's the story.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Worried about the kids.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
We need to get CPS involved if you realize that
she's using, she's drinking, she's gambling, she's with a beat boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
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Speaker 5 (54:26):
First, my sister is a terrible driver. It made me
want to cut her off.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Oh like, without even using your blinker.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
My sister herself is a terrible driver. I've spoken at
length about how she'd drink and drive, how she's a
leadfoot text while driving, et cetera. She'd drive a minivan
seventy miles per hour in a thirty five zone with
kids in the car and say the kids loved it
because it was like a roller coaster.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Actually, prosecute her. I'm not even kidding. No, get her
off the road, none of that. That is cool. Prosecution.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Yeah. She even scared her eldest son by driving so
fast his hat blew off and he didn't have his
head out the window. He was scared to even open
the window of other vehicles while riding with other people
for a while. By the way, this comes from the
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Speaker 1 (55:23):
I'm Carly, I'm Dakota.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
And Opie says, but my sister is just as bad
as a ride along because she's either a backseat driver,
gives terrible directions, is wasted, or insults your driving. And
for the record, I wanted to report her bad driving
to the police, but my family went off on me
for even having the idea, which is the only reason

(55:46):
I never did. I currently don't know where my sister
lives or if she even has a car. She's a
substance regular user, not exactly swimming in money, and her
oldest son is an adult now. And yes, I'm aware
I should still have done something. I've been called a
coward and I owned up to that. But my sister
had us all mentally drained for years and used her

(56:08):
kids as emotional blackmail. But now she can't do that anymore.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
To be clear, if anyone is relating to this story,
reporting your family member who drives like this could literally
save someone's life, including their own children.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Including themselves.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
It's very important to report this. Let's start with seat belts.
My nephews for a while had a bad habit of
ripping their seatbelts off as soon as their destination was
in sight. I'd have them in my car, and as
soon as they could see home off in the distance,
they'd rip their seatbelts off. I got mad at them
several times and always forced them to rebuckle till we

(56:40):
were parked. They'd give me grief, say it was no
big deal, et cetera, but I held firm, You ride
with me, the belts stay on till we are parked.
After this happened several times, they finally got the memo
and stopped doing it. They wouldn't tell me where they
learned it from, though I thought it might have been
their father, but nope. Turned out to be Misis. I
was driving her home and as soon as home was

(57:03):
in sight, she ripped her seatbelt off, and I went
off on her for doing it and setting a bad
example for her kids. She called me dramatic and tried
to act like it was no big deal. But I
didn't let it go and hammered her till she said
she'd never do it again. She did, but I hammered
her again until she stopped. My sister absolutely could not
stand anyone driving slow when riding with them. Every freaking

(57:26):
time she'd ride with me, unless she was zoned out
on her phone, she'd complain about me driving too slow.
I'm sorry, I was going the speed limit. She twice
debated how fast I should be driving through a school zone.
The zone was twenty miles per hour on weekdays from
seven to five pm, unless it was weekends or summer,
but when school was not active, it was a forty

(57:46):
mile power zone. I slowed down to exactly forty and
my sister started demanding I go forty five and claimed
it was forty five through there, and she refused to
believe me when I said it was forty. Thankfully, the
school zone had more than one sign, and I pointed
to one that said forty on it, and she pouted
and shut up. This situation actually happened a second time.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Look, I don't have any siblings, but I gotta imagine
if this was my sibling, I'd just be like, shut up,
you're the worst driver right now.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
I'd feel be like, shut up, are you driving right now? No?
Because you're terrible at it.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Shut up your horrible driver, and then you turn up
the volume on the radio.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
My sister would act grateful for rides, but then would
either distract you and think it was funny when you
got mad, or insult your driving. Once, when I was
driving my nephews in her home, her arm shot out
in front of my face and she yelled dear, scared
the crap out of me, and she thought it was hilarious,
even though I could have lost control of the car.
I went off on her and she forced out an

(58:42):
insincere apology. Thankfully she never did that again. Yeah, because
she wouldn't be getting rides again if she did that again. Yeah,
you're not right in my car.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Honestly, I'm not giving you a ride by after you
do that and you're like that was funny. I'm like,
you're the biggest idiot I've ever met, and I don't
care that you're my sister call an uber.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Even though my sister is a terrible driver, a leadfoot,
neglectful of her own vehicles, guilty of multiple accidents, and
a DUI, she always criticized my driving. Once I forgot
to use my turn signal when pulling into a parking lot,
even though I carefully slowed down, she went off on
me about the turn signal. Never mind I had her

(59:20):
and three very distracting kids in the car. And then
after I pulled into the parking lot, she pointed at
me and said to her kids, you see, I'd never
forget to do that. The only reason I didn't go
off on her was because the kids were there.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
I would genuinely be like, why don't we explain to
the kids what DUI is? Why don't we explain how
many DUIs?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I have? Zero and how many you have?

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Then there was my sister giving directions. She was fine
if she wasn't wasted or distracted. Once, when she paid
me to drive her and her friends out bar hopping.
When it was time to go home, my sister insisted
I take her way on the back roads, and I
kept telling her the main road with practically no traffic
it was faster at night, but no, she had to

(01:00:01):
have her way. She got us lost in a maze
of neighborhoods. Once I figured out where the main road
was again, I headed for that, and she threw a
tantrum because I wasn't going her way. We got on
the main road and sailed right on out in less
than a minute, and she kept complaining her way would
have been faster. Then there was when she ended up
homeless after burning nearly all friend and family bridges. I

(01:00:24):
was driving her and all her stuff to the place
she was allowed to crash for a couple of days,
and she kept zoning out on her phone and wouldn't
look up to give me directions till the absolute last second,
and I had to yell at her to look up
and tell me where to go, And then she'd get
mad and say she was busy, like I could just
automatically know where to go without her. She put me
through days of that crap. Is about that time when

(01:00:46):
I went no contact with her.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
God, I would rather be put in the ground than
go on a road trip with this woman.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Go no contact.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
This is clearly not a story about salvaging a relationship.
This is you should have done it earlier. Honestly, the
moment she had pulled that, You see, kids, Mommy would
have never.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Forgotten to turn her turn signal and you go into
the parking.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Lot, I genuinely would have Oh did you forget to
not drink before you drive before you got that DUI like,
I'm not even kidding. I'd be like, it's time, I'm
lighting it on fire right now, it's over. I do
not play about that kind of stuff. I pride myself
on being a good and safe driver as well. So
if someone who was the worst driver I had ever
seen in my life.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
Safe driver, his car just links to test.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
It's true and that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Then there was driving her while she was wasted. Now
that was a nightmare. Once she and her husband both
got wasted and I had to drive her and her
entire family home. As soon as we were all in
the car and I'd backed out, she suddenly grabbed my
shifter and shifted it into drive with a big grin
on her face. Then was angry. I was mad at

(01:01:51):
her for doing it. She acted like it was no
big deal and I should have been grateful she did it.
She apologized later, but I kind of doubt it was genuine,
and she probably just didn't want to lose her emergency
brother Taxi Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I'm literally pulling her out of my car. I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
I'm putting it in part the farthest.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
That she can in my car, and if she still
tries something she's out. Then, of course, was her wasted
backseat driving, which I explained in the above paragraph.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You need like a limo partition to just like come up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
And then there was the time she drove to work
in the morning wasted. She worked two miles away at
the time. She had to call me and beg me
to come get her because her boss was sending her
home since she showed up wasted and her boss wasn't
letting her drive herself back. I confronted her about why
she was wasted in the morning and went to work
like that, and she admitted to me that she just

(01:02:43):
doesn't like being told what to do. I told her
that when you have a job, being told what to
do is par for the course unless you're the boss,
which she was not. She just looked bitter and got
out of my truck. The last major incident I drove
her while she was wasted. She had a friend with
her and we stopped her friend's place because her friend
wanted to have a sleepover at my sister's place. They

(01:03:04):
just wanted to pick up some clothes. I waited in
my truck for forty five minutes before finally going in
to get them, I caught them sitting on the floor
with a bottle of booze. My sister looked up at
me like she'd just been caught by a parent. They
just decided to get more wasted while I was waiting
for them. My sister couldn't even tell she wasn't at home.
She kept talking about the carpet. I had to forcibly

(01:03:26):
drag her hour and throw her in my truck and
buckle her myself. Then on the way home, she unbuckled
to have a slapping playfight with her friend in the
back seat, climbed over the center console, shoved her button
my face, then literally got stuck between the back seat
and center console, so I had to pull her out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Okay, that's correct.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
And then she kept trying to walk to the road
and say home was that way, So I had to
drag her into her trailer, throw her onto bed, and
tell her I was done before going home. I went
off on her the next day and made her and
her her friend reimburse me for wasted gas and letting
my truck idle for nearly an hour waiting for them.

(01:04:06):
I would have stopped giving this lady brides.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Forever ago, and honestly, and you've already said that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
It's like looking back on it, and it's like people have
called said you were cowardly or whatever, but I think
you can be hard on yourself. But it's like, clearly
you were put in an environment where it was like
you'd never do anything to family or whatever. Should no
one else did, so it's like you're not alone in.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
This, but report her now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Yeah, you really should have gotten it to the point
where at least her license was revoked.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Yeah, or put on some sort of like probationary period again,
like a learnerment or something.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Or so, and she clearly needed some kind of intervention
because she's drinking so much, Like time she's got kids
in the car. She's driving seventy and a thirty five
with kids in the car, saying that it's fun seventy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
In a thirty five, which is also a school zone,
so not only are their kids in the car, she's
surrounded by kids.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
It's just like, yeah, crazy, this was in no way.
I don't know how you put up with it for
so long.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Then there was the crap Mice would say, while wasted,
she used to pay me to drive her out to bars,
and she'd say we'd be out by ten or eleven,
and would somehow push it to one am. She has
no consideration for being on someone else's time and acted
like I was a killjoy for wanting to go home.
But on one of the last times I drove her
to a bar before she had her boyfriend take over,

(01:05:19):
she suddenly started bawling while wasted and literally told me
she was just waiting for our mother to pass away
and no one would be playing Ozzye at her funeral.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
What what?

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
And right around the time I cut her off after
driving her around for days, she told me our mother
was going to pass away for crossing her because apparently
a few people she'd been wronged by passed away.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
What is she implying that she's going to murk her
own mom? Your mom, the mom who, by the way,
told you not to knock on her.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
But after years of her saying and doing crap like that,
I finally snapped and blocked her on everything about a
year ago, and my life has been much better since.
That's the end of that story.

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