I just found out my fiancé is a LIAR…but I’m supposed to marry her in TWO WEEKS! PART 3 | Reddit Stories | EP1967 - ok storytime

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I just found out my fiance is a liar, but
I'm supposed to marry her in two weeks. And this
is part three. It's crazier, but we get a little
TLDR to catch everyone up to speed. For part one
and two, a man discovers his fiance, Sarah, has been
helping her sister Evelyn, cover up a six month affair
with Evelyn super spicy hot coworker. He finds evidence on

(00:21):
Sarah's phone decides to cancel their wedding, which is just
two weeks away. He helps Evelyn's husband Marty, gather proof,
including tracking Evelyn to a bar and catching her cheating
partner visiting her home. When the man confronts Sarah and
calls off the wedding, she breaks down, pleading for another chance. Meanwhile,
Evelyn attacks him in rage, leading to her arrest. Tensions

(00:47):
escalate further only when Sarah accuses him of spicy texting
and only pans models talking chefs, but it turns out
his brother was using his computer for this. During a visit,
Sarah admits to being a people pleaser due to childhood
bullying by Evelyn, but the man realizes he doesn't truly

(01:08):
know her after six years the other. Despite her please,
the wedding remains canceled and their future as a couple
is uncertain as he grapples with her betrayal and the
fallout from their relationship. This update has taken longer to
get around too then I originally attended, and a lot
of things happened to the last couple of days that
have kept me pretty busy. So now we're getting end
to the actual thing. Let's go. You ready, Let's do it.

(01:30):
And it really wasn't until today when I had some
free time after lunch that I could sit down and
get this out. I'll try to get through as much
as I can before that. However, I just want to
mention a couple things in response to commons from the
last post, and I'll try to be brief. By the way,
this comes from one top three nine three four on

(01:52):
the art slash Okay story time, but ce'll bred it. So. Firstly,
I don't know much of what's going on with Marty
and his divorce other than to my knowledge he's still
divorcing her. Let's go boom. Obviously, no papers or anything,
but the intention is clear. In addition to that, I'm
not really in the position to be advocating for any
sort of course of action that Marty should take, or

(02:14):
offering him legal advice yep. Or assisting him in doing
anything to the other man or tracking down the other
man's wife, etc. Marty is a grown man, but he
could do whatever he wants with this situation, and my
position as his friend is just to support him and
offer advice if he asks for it, but not legal advice.

(02:34):
I like it. I like it. You've done. Yeah, step back,
step back, you've done. You've done what you did? Step back. Secondly,
this isn't some sort of gorilla marketing for an only
pans girl. Dude, I'm freaking called it. Brother. If it was,

(02:55):
I should have done it on the first post, which
hit the front page of Reddit and was seen by
over three million people. WHOA. Also, Given that this post
got so popular and read it, it's not really a
surprise that bimbo wife Mandy, another redditor happened to be
following the story and saw her name.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
WHOA.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
It could have easily been any other of the hundreds
and hundreds, maybe even thousands of girls who was ready
to post their pictures. She has a brief aside speaking
of Mandy. I have indeed talked to her. She was
actually quite helpful. Oh so you have talked to her?
What I thought you didn't talk to her she reached
out for a collab. Yep, she was actually quite helpful

(03:36):
in confirming something for me and as a person she
seems quite nice. Stop but guys, were really plans? What? Okay? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Were you really talking to her?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yes? But like on like oh I saw the story?
Yeah yeah, this was this was after this was not
like he was talking to her for free. Yeah. So
the Mandy is married evidently quite happily so and for
almost two decades. So you can have only pans and
a marriage. Riley wasn't true? Yeah, I get wrecked. I

(04:11):
think the handle bimbo wife Mandy should have given that away.
Oh yeah. Uh. And frankly, while her husband must be
cool that she's way too much for a mere insurance
guy like me to handle. Seriously. So but that all
out of the way, onto the update, He's like, if
I can handle it, I would be all up into that,
but uh, trust me, I can't get suffocated.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
His his back would break, his back would break, Yeah,
break motor my last boat.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
So with that all the way onto the update last
I wrote in I ended up with assuming that my
brother had used my office computer to chat with Mandy,
but it was too late his time for me to
contact him. I am one of those guys that wants
a problem is put in front of him. I must
be active working on trying to solve it. This is

(05:02):
great for my career choice, but in situations like this,
all I was doing was driving myself insane. So I
decided to take a deep breath, leave everything until later,
and carry on with what I needed to do. First
thing up was attempting to contact every person from my
side that I had invited to the wedding because they
spent all this money on a wedding. Yeah, but he's

(05:24):
now canceling because he found out that his wife to
be was helping a cheat cheek. It's a lot, yeah,
accomplice to the crime. Every person from my side that
I invited to the wedding that I had not yet
informed about its cancelation, I'm gonna let know. As you
may recall, I had already informed my parents and had

(05:44):
them contact my relatives on the day I made up
my mind, but only myself and Sarah have the complete
guest list, so I needed to do the rest myself.
Out of respect for my friends, I decided to call
in set of texts. But this might have been a
bad idea, since every phone call typically resulted in a
rather lengthy explanation of why I was canceling the wedding.

(06:05):
It's gonna be hard to Yeah. You can't just be like, oh, yeah,
you know the whole story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think
what you do is you text. Everyone is like, hey,
if you want to talk more about it, like happy
to go over a call. I know I could have
given some other excuse, but I wanted people to know
that I wasn't being frivolous or just experiencing something inane
like cold feats. It was important not just for my

(06:27):
own reputation, but I think in order to show respect
to the people who had agreed to come on that
day to sport myself and Sarah as a couple. Because
of this, it wasn't until late into the evening when
I finally managed to contact everyone, which meant it was
now morning time in Australia. Ah huh. I knew what
I needed to do, but I wanted to make sure

(06:49):
that my ducks were all in a row. He's going
to confront his brother about the only fans spicy texting
to Mandy with the mams. Dude, take those ducks and
replaced that you with an eye Dix, You did it. Yeah.
He told me to congratulate his following commands, Oh bye,

(07:14):
like a good boy. Oh good. I knew what I
needed to do, but I wanted to make sure that
my ducks were all in a row. So I took
a breathe there and made a sandwich in the kitchen.
I noticed that Sarah wasn't home. I had no idea
when she left, and sat down to eat and think

(07:35):
about what to do with my brother's situation. Let's call
my brother Carl for the sake of shortness here now.
Carl and I have always been pretty close just bye.
Him being thirteen years older than me. He was this
sort of quasi parental figure in my life because by
the time I became capable of having long term memories,
he was already well on his way to becoming an adults.
He was always generous with his time played with his

(07:58):
little brother when other teens would probably have avoided such
an activity like the plague, and generally seemed mature and
wise to me growing up. Suffice to say, I respected
him greatly in the idea that he had been spicy
texting with a girl who wasn't his wife. Uh oh

(08:19):
in my house, it was something that I was still
coming to grips with and I need to decide what
to do really quick. Y'all, how do we feel about this?
The you know, messaging and only pans person is that?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Like?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Because like I feel like that's not quite like cheating,
but it's like a step above watching a video and
a step below like flirting with your coworker totally. I
we I think we had was it you mean Sophia.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
That had a story like this Riley?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Maybe yeah, where it was like the old the old dad.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Was literally doing yeah what he was doing or maybe
you were there too, But yeah, I feel like we
kind of establish it basically is kind of this like
different class like I think we said, like cheating light
or something like that, where it's like, yeah, it is like,
but it's not the the emotional connection and other things
of like the the possibility of them all like leaving

(09:14):
them for you.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, it's very low. It's very low. I feel like
it's it feels closer to Korn in my Yeah, in
my opinion, if if I'm thinking about like a part,
it's definitely like worse than that. I would be like,
I don't know how that makes me feel, but like
it doesn't feel it doesn't feel quite as bad. Like
it's definitely like an order of magnitude less bad than

(09:38):
actually messaging someone that they know.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
The only thing. Messing someone on only pans is the
same as like sliding in someone's DMS and let's say,
whatever you said on only pans messages, you said the
exact same thing on Instagram message to another girl.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I think it's different because only pans you're paying for
that messaging, and I believe I've.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Never used these service. It is financially transaction, I believe.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't know if it's like a per per message
or something, or if it's like anyway you're paying for it.
But with like sliding into the DMS, there's like an
expectation that you potentially could meet up with them, which
is different. I think once there's antive that you could meet, yeah,
meet up or develop like a two way emotional connection.
I think that's with.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I guess it's like going to a strip club in
a way.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, I feel some people do that as okay, but
I think.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
It's I think it's all right, here we go, here
we go, Here we go Corn. Yeah, uh, spicy texting,
only pans model, strip club, spicy texting someone you actually
know and could meet up with. It's like, I guess
that's a degree, but this is worse. This is not
that bad. Yeah, what do you think you think? Which

(10:55):
which one was? First?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
It was go from the bottom.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Up, all right, so Corn is like the least worse yep.
And then then it goes spicy texting and only pans model.
Then it goes going to a strip club. Then it
goes spicy like like sliding into someone's dms on Instagram.
Then it goes flirting with your coworker on text, and

(11:17):
then it goes meeting up with.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like, honestly, I think it's also that was tempt us story.
Tempt is in the chat right oh way way yeah, yeah,
But I think it's kind of hard to because Harriet's
a Spaghetti's point. Earlier, Harriet was like, oh, that is cheating,
and in the context of two people defining that in
a relationship, if someone's like that is cheating to me, that's.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. So you've established
that boundary. I feel like it is.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Maybe let's say that there's a spectrum and it's in
between corn and all the way up to fold.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
This lived within my relationship with my partner.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
This is cheating, which is what I'm sure many yeah,
many people share that same for me.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I don't think I would consider cheating, but I would
be like I would get the ick. I'm like, you're
hand to message someone like just talk to chat GPT
or something like.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, I didn't try to talk dirty, try GPT and
it can only go too far.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
But you can my account, Yeah you can do.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
But you can download like Lama or something. I'm just
more mad. I'm just it's another I'm just mad that like,
you're wasting money when you can get this stuff for free.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
You're you're like the that could have been invested, that
could have been interested.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
You put that into an index fund. You wait forty
years triples. We're tired or more than that, you're retired.
You're retired, you're retired. Done anyway, what do you guys think?
Let us know the comments below, but we got some more,
so I need to decide what to do talk to

(12:56):
him about it was obvious, but at this point, given
how much of a shambles my relationship with Sarah was,
I didn't know if I cared about having him confess
just for the sake of clearing my name. Was there
anything to salvage anyway? I needed too for my own
sake of propriety, at least gall at him about this
and convince him to stop. However, I wasn't sure if

(13:18):
I was going to rat him out or not to
my sister in law. Let's call her Karen, all right,
Carl and Karen. It is guys, great names. It all
depended on what he told me and if I believed
him or not. I finished my meal and lodged into
Facebook and a video called Carl. Now, Carl works mostly

(13:40):
from home as a remote office worker, since his field
is related to it and he's almost always available during
the day, and today was no exception. It didn't even
ring more than once or twice before he answered. We
greet each other, exchanged some pleasantries, and then I sort
of just dove into it and asked him if he
had been using my computer to spicy sleep chat women
on the internet when he was visiting me. Carl's face

(14:04):
burrows uh oh, and he leaned over out of the
frame of the camera. He was obviously closing his office door.
So not okay in the relationship probably, And you have
to stay in an Australian accent because I can't. Okay,
I'm so bad at Australian accents, even though I have
an Australian mother. Sports yeah, literally Australia. I had the

(14:28):
thick Australian accent when I came back from Australia in
like third grade, and all the girls were like ooh,
and then I lost it and then I were like, ugh,
that's tough. I know, dude. I would have been two
points hotter with an Australian accent. But he was obviously
closing his office door and says, yeah, Dad, why nice?
You crushed it, I said, he said to me. I

(14:49):
swore under my breath and explained to Carl how Sarah
had thought that his flirting was me since he used
my computer. I explained that I wasn't happy to take
the hit from him, and I asked him point blank
if Karen knew about this or not. He waffled for
a few seconds, stumbling over his words, and then he
was like oh, and then looked a bit sheepish and

(15:13):
said that no, no, no, no no. Karen did not
know they prefer if it was kept that way. He
went on to explain that their relationship had been pretty
rough since their youngest was born four years ago.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
What I thought kids helped relationships.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I know, dude, if you're in a tough spot, pump
out a baby, instant fix. Babies are like band aids.
That's why they both begin with be. That's what I heard.
That's what I heard. You can't spell spell band aid
without baby.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
The first the first mainly in the bedroom departments. Carl
had always been a pretty private person, especially when it
came to into details, or at least he had always
been that way when talking to his much younger baby brother. However,
this time he let it all lay out. Things had
been bad. He'd been tired of getting rejected. Karen was

(16:14):
always tired no matter what he did or how much
he helped around the house. Eventually, this led to problems
on his side, some sort of performance anxiety. On a
few occasions where Karen would actually feel up for some
bedroom fund and things got worse from there. Basically said,
I no amount of shucks picked up flingers, folded dishes, washed,

(16:38):
or time spent minding the children that wouldn't get that
will get me light. It was just not happening. So
I started to spend time my office at night working working. Brother. No,
he even his finger quotes when saying this, I.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Mean he was. He was more in a way, he
was working something, chucking that corn, shucking the corn.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Brother. I don't know, man, I'm like, I don't know why.
You just just go look up some some washing machine. Uh,
people getting stuck like every normal person, and like the
normal people, and then you're fine, You're in the clear.
It's good to go. Unless unless that is.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
But he wanted to feel something. He's not just the
heel of the churn the washing machine.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
As you watch the next level, it's just the washing machine.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
WHOA you put watching cycle, you watch a couple of
those videos, then you can just turn off the computer.
You have it in your mind. Yeah, and then you
put on the spin cycle. You sit on top of it,
get a little vibration.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
But he's not a monster. He wants to feel something
with her. He wants to feel a connection.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Feel connection with your watching you want a connection speed mode.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, he even did the finger quote saying this evidently
is working at night. Turned into a pretty hardcore addiction
to only pans sites, which, given the relative privacy he
had in his office for legitimate work, spiraled out of
control pretty quickly. I asked him if he was still
doing it, and he swore up and down he wasn't.
I thought I believed him when he said it. He

(18:20):
seemed to be sincere, but I just had a nagging
feeling in the back of my skull that something was off.
Maybe it was because of all the deceit I had
encountered recently, but I was doubting my own brother, who
has really been a stand up guy to meet our
entire lives together. I really hated being in the situation now.

(18:41):
The problem I face was pretty complex here. First, if
I wanted to clear my name, then I would have
to get my brother to tell Sarah that it was
him all along. However, if he did that, then there
was no guarantee that Sarah wouldn't spitefully inform Karen. I
personally thought it would be the best of Karen knew,
but at the same time, I didn't know if I

(19:01):
felt comfortable potentially dropping a nuke on my brother's marriage
over something he not only said he stopped, but is
in this sort of moral gray area. Also Peaky to
Sayer says it's a former spicy worker. That is true.
I made most of my money just talking wo wow.
Fact facts, dude, real facts. People be lonely. I didn't

(19:23):
have an answer right away as to what to do,
but I did urge him to tell his wife about
this and to get marriage counseling. He said that they
actually had been going for the last six months, and
while it was helpful, what had really helped him was
getting a prescription for some generic But I actually did

(19:46):
a spittake at that, neatly spraying my computer screen with water,
which I'm sure is what his brother was doing a
lot spray in that computer screen. Talk to her. He
told me that they had been trying to make sure

(20:07):
they have intimate time at least a couple of times
a week, and that little blue pill I'd cured him
of his performance anxiety to the point where now they're
both looking forward to spending time together after the kids
went to bed. Okay, let's go. This is good.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
This is a win, this is a this is good,
this is better. Oh we flag on the play A
good flag. That's that a true se could show you.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Thanks dog, all right, it does feel me. The general
gist of this was something along the lines of II.
This is actually going in the right direction right now.
Please don't screw this up for us? I Hi, I
really wait, Paus should Ope screw this up? I should?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I reveal the truth? So I feel like brother Carl
should tell his wife for sure?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yes, agreed, agreed, But that's not the question. We all
agree that here brother Carl should come clean about the
pans he's been cooking on.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
But I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Should Opee do something? Should Opee tell his brother's wife.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Because he's also this is what Sarah did for her
sister too. If you think about it in a roundabout.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Way, exactly exactly, it's karmic comic. You have an option
to tell the truth. Although this is not as bad
as what Sarah and Evelyn did. Is this something? Is
this something he helps come clean on? I think so,
and I think he does.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Our original playbook all the way back from the first
episode on this, which was go to them and be like, look,
you really should tell Karen your your wife, Like, yeah,
you're reaching this new stage, but found the foundation of
a relationship is honesty and working through these things, and
please tell her. If you don't do it, I'm gonna

(22:14):
kind of have to force you to tell him.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Right, Yeah, I guess this feels.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Because that of safety, because because you don't know how
the how Karen will react to it. He's not helping
his brother talk to May. Oh god, he can introduce
him now, that's not mad. But anyways, yeah, because because

(22:42):
we don't know how Karen feels about it, you know
what I mean, Because if it's truly not if it's
truly not that big of a deal, then it's not
that big of a deal. But if it is a
big deal, she would want to know about it, the
same way someone's like, oh, if someone's been hooking up
with someone for six months, they would want to know.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, no, it is. I think I think you're right.
I think you should. It should come from Carl, But
if it doesn't, I think you should probably tell because
you know, especially if you have any kind of relationship
with the wife too, which you do because you know
it's your brothers. Yeah, your brother's in law. Yeah, yeah,

(23:24):
you should tell, you should tell. I think so, you
should tell. I think so. I really really don't want
to be in this position, not just for the sake
of Carl and Karen, but for my two nieces as well.
And if what Carl was telling me was the truth,
I could be tossing a firebomb into the relationship that
was starting to mend. It was unpredictable what would happen.

(23:45):
So yeah, it made disappoint some people, but at the
time I felt the best option was to wait and see.
I was, after all, going to meet him in a
couple of weeks in the flesh, and once I got
him alone in a room and a few drinks in him,
I was going to definitely get to the bottom of it.
Seemed like the best course of action. I think you
don't have to say to talk to the wife like immediately,

(24:05):
but I think you should say, like, hey, I really
think you'd need to tell your wife, and like if
you don't, I feel like a duty to let her know.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
And you know what, you could even give him on
the first conversation you could say, hey, tell your wife,
and then follow up yeah later too, see that maybe
he does it on his own, and then you don't
even need to say that, you know exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Seemed like the best course of action anyway. That night,
I went to bed early. I didn't see Sarah until
the next morning. She looked haggard and she had a
distinct lack of sleep. I asked her where she'd been,
mostly out of habit, after all, we had been together
for almost six years. She told me she had gone
down to the courthouse for Evelyn's arraignment to post bail.
The courts here close at one pm on the weekends,

(24:49):
which is why she disappeared so soon after I went
into my office, and that afterwards she had driven her
to her parents' house and spend the night there. She
made a point of telling me how horrible it was
to have to explain to her parents that I had
called out the wedding. I asked her if her parents
knew the reason why, and she barked, of course they do.
Cos I tried to remain calm, but by this point

(25:11):
in this ordeal I was losing it. I've been back
at her. Are you going to move back there so
that they have both girls at home now. It was
childish and petty, but the fact that she bailed Evelyn
out of jail annoyed me to no end. You don't
need to be a butt about this, she said, to
which I said, and you don't need to be Evelyn's

(25:33):
f ing underling. I don't know I would bail my
sister out no matter what. I don't think like bailing
and yeah, break that down, Like I was like, it
seems like, uh.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Because remember when she got into Jie Evelyn.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, because she attack op Buteah. Yeah, I mean you're
gonna it's your family, You're gonna. I'm I'm bailing Sophia
out no matter what.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, it has to be really a really really really
really crazy crime.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah to not want to Yeah, I mean that that's
just what you do. Not like that what she did
ex isn't ft up. But it's like, but I said,
you just bail out. You just bail people out, that's
what you do.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, right, I think so, because you know, ultimately, as
long as you're going to be the person that holds them.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Accountable, yeah, I think you can still hold them accountable,
bail them out and it's like, you're still like gonna
face the law, but uh yeah. But I could see
Sarah visibly flinch when I said that to her. It
obviously had struck a cord and the corners of her

(26:48):
eyes started to tear up, and I cooled my temper.
We just sort of stood there, miles apart in the
living room of our house and didn't say anything for
a good solid minute and until Sarah decided to cantinue talking.
Our parents are going to be here at three. Actually
face palmed at this. I was about to go off
on her for not consulting me on this, but decided

(27:10):
that that was just my own ego. After all, I
did need to sit down with them and work out
the details or on the wedding and whatever remaining deposit
we had, and I needed at least once face to
face to explain to everyone why it wasn't happening. So fine,
let's do this and get it out of the way. Man, dude,
losing all that money for the wedding miss be crazy, But.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
It's like, what would it look like if they, you know,
worked for all these years and then and then split.
There's just like, it's we've seen this case a thousand
times on the show. It's always better. It's like it's
like investing. They're like, what, what's the uh uh, you know,
the the best time to do it? Yesterday was the

(27:54):
second best time today, Like you are splitting up now
as Yeah, that will avoid for there as far as
just financial even further.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Like costs and stuff in the future.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, and they're not married yet, they would have to
pay for the divorce.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know, dude, really quick. One of my friends, she
had a friend that got married right after med school,
literally the first week of like clinicals or something. Her
now husband like was like flirting with this girl, confessed,

(28:32):
and now they're like in seven hundred they broke up,
and now they're in seven hundred grand of debt from
the wedding.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Wait, wait, wait one more time.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
What seven hundred grand for doing wedding for what? I
don't know, seven hundred grand? Is that not crazy? They're
also gonna be like they're like a doctor and a
surgeon and stuff, so I guess they're gonna make money.
But still, but I mean, I'm gonna go into debt

(29:00):
for a wedding. You make a lot of money? Yeah, Yeah,
that's wow. I mean it was either seven hundred grand
a debt or they spent seven hundred grand regardless. Crazy. Yeah,
I could understand spending that much in a money of
money on a wedding and be like, oh, I really
got it. I hope I can make it work. But
you know, some cost fallacy. As my cat's name is,

(29:20):
Karen says.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, so canceling a wedding costs somewhere between ten to
thirty grand thousand dollars, and then getting divorced costs anywhere
between fifteen to thirty k plus.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, it depends on the marriage of the dying, right, yeah,
So it's like.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I said, average income, average average, okay.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Right, right, right, yeah, for the average person, right yeah,
canceling the wedding is cheaper than the doorvorce on average
basically or so.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, but fine, let's do this and get it
out of the way. I try to make myself busy,
but there isn't much you can do on a Sunday
except waste time, and time wasting isn't very enjoyable when
you know you are heading into the meat grinder in
just a few hours. Still, three pm came, and so
did our parents. We all sat down at the large

(30:06):
kitchen table that Sarah had bought just a month after
we closed on the house. It was secondhand from Facebook marketplace,
but she loved it because it was solid oak, with
a beautiful finish and capable of seating eight and just
as heavy as it sounds, ooh that heavy. She always
wanted to have big dinner parties with our family over,

(30:26):
just not like this. The next three hours were crueling.
No one was happy, nor should they be. I guess
the best support I could get came, unsurprisingly from my
own parents, but even that was tempered, especially essentially along
the lines of well, it's his decision to make, which
more or less means yeah, we think this is crazy too,

(30:48):
but we're still backing him. Honestly, that was fine for me.
I didn't need my parents to get to get the
stigma by association of canceling the wedding. I was fine
with owning that. Eventually we worked out a decent deal
in regard to the wedding. We would try to get
back whatever money we could split it back, however it

(31:09):
was contributed. Some things like the honeymoon were all paid
by me, or the flowers were all paid by Sarah's parents,
and then we would eat whatever losses there were. Communally okay. However,
when it came to the subject of the house, Sarah
vehemently objected to my idea of paying back her or
her parents for the deposit. Basically, she didn't intend to

(31:29):
move from the house.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Then they both known, WHOA, that's God's gonna get sticky.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
You guys might as well have gotten married and sticky,
because this is what's happening gotta now.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
As you might imagine, Sarah and I hadn't really talked
about us or us living together situation in too much detail.
The fact that I even brought up settling the house
equity seemed to shock her because the implication here is
that I expect her to move out of our home.
She threw a fit, and I don't blame her. I
should have settled our relationship status with her first before
trying to negotiate a payment plan with her parents. It

(32:04):
really tipped my hand to everyone about how I was
feeling about a relationship. And while I think our parents
expected it or at least understood, Sarah was beside herself.
She was absolutely not accepting of us breaking up over this,
and she made it clear, I'm not moving out of
my house and we are not breaking up, she declared bold.

(32:24):
Interesting that is that is a move in a breakup.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I mean, we're not breaking up, Like this ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
This recently happened to one of my friends who was
breaking up with his girlfriend, and she's like no, and
then they didn't break up. One would say it takes
two to tango, but yeah, she's like, no, we're not
bringing up.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Also, pol is OPI a jerk or not. I'm curious
to see what people think.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
And that's pretty much how my Sunday night ended. After
our parents left, Sarah and I tried to talk it
out some more, but we kept running in circles around
each other, and I had to curb my natural inclination
to run her down until we got a resolution. Truthfully,
I was pretty damn tired as well, and I just
wanted to turn off my brain. Believe it or not.
We ended up sitting on the couch and watching a

(33:12):
movie together in silence until it was time to go
to sleep. We left it there with a well we'll
talk it more tomorrow and retreated to our separate rooms.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Wow, when you have something in your Netflix queue. You
both really wanted to finish, but yeah, like I want
to divorce you.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
On Monday, I woke up to a large, handwritten letter
slid under the door from Sarah. I took a brief
look at the first few pages and decided I would
deal with it later. I went to work. When I left,
so Sarah was still in bed.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
So I don't like that. I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, I feel like you read it. How long does
it take to read a letter?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, he's like he's putting his work in front of
him and like keeping himself busy. Rather than like attacking
the problem, he's avoiding it.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Although I do feel like he's just over the relationship
at this point. Yeah, I like it, like he's just done. Yeah.
It's although on the other side, he hasn't has he clearly,
which is whack too. He's like confusing for her. If
your if your intention is to leave the relationship, say that, yes,

(34:16):
you know, don't get bandy around the bush. Yeah. When
I left, Sarah was still in bed. She must have
been uplate writing the letter. At the office. I scheduled
some meetings and started calling venues and vendors that were
on my list. The other ones were being handled by
Sarah or her parents. It was a mixed bag of results.
The catering people were adamant that I paid most of
their fees under the pretense that they had ordered most

(34:38):
of the food. I shot back at them over this,
like were they expecting me to eat a weak old steak?
But my appeal fell on deaf ears. I tried talking
to the woman who ran the catering business and explained
what happened, but that seemed to only firm up her
resolve to get as much money as possible out of me.
And versely, the DJ that I had hired for the
entertainment was incredibly kind and give us back almost all

(35:01):
the money. It wasn't much, However, Things went on like this,
and during the day, between making calls and doing work,
I read Sarah's letter. Now this was twenty pages, okay,
a written word, so I can understand, you know, not
reading it right there, or at least not finishing it
because he was on his way to work. Yeah, So
I'm just gonna summarize the gist of it was. Ever
since childhood, Sarah had been bullied by Evelyn, and in response,

(35:24):
Sarah's way of dealing with this was to essentially go
along with whatever Evelyn wants or wants to hear. She
went on to say that it had become sort of
a general way of operating in her life, that she
was just afraid to rock the boat to cause a
problem or sometimes even to voice an opinion. I reflected
on this because, truthfully, when I look back at our
relationship with a more critical eye, I kind of think

(35:45):
Sarah was a bit too perfect of a girlfriend. What
I mean by this is she never disagreed with me,
never picked her plans of her mind, or even really
advocated too strongly against anything I wanted to do. She
went out of her way to make herself appear useful,
and all around did more or less like a yes
woman in a relationship. I mean, we had never even
had so much of as a minor disagreement in six years,

(36:07):
let alone a full blown argument until now sounds great
from a relationship standpoint, until, of course, it's not. I
couldn't shake this feeling that Sarah had this deep seated
insecurity and need to make people happy. You know what
they call people pleasing behavior. When I start looking at
it this way, a lot of things make sense, and
I start to realize that despite being with Sarah for

(36:29):
six years, I don't actually know her that well. It's
like she's put up this image around her which is
really just a mirror, a reflection of whatever she thinks
people want to see. And in the case of a relationship,
she's more or less been acting in the role of
perfect girlfriend while never really letting me inside to see
who she is as the person. But also, like, you know,

(36:50):
I feel like, yes, maybe maybe someone can convince you
that like they are a reflection of you in you know,
a couple months relationship, Yeah, but a six year relationship
I have to question like Op's ability to actually be
curious about who someone is and what they like. Like,

(37:10):
I feel like some of that blame like should be
on Op. Yeah, But then you know, maybe that's maybe
that's complete. You know, I don't let feel I would
love to know your your thoughts, guys, But.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I think on top of that, I mean, you know,
you guys have been in partners. John, if your partner
is like dealing with something like another relationship, she talks
it through with you, right, Yeah, and then you guys
kind of like brainstorm about like how to kind of
like attack it and like go go about it and
give her the tools. Like I'm like you said, why
was he not curious enough to figure that out earlier?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think? And again like obviously communicate.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
You never know what's going on in someone's head, but
there comes a point within six years when you're probably
like something seems kind of off and you know, on
her end too, Like I while I understand it is
really helpful to get this context of like, uh, this
like extremely strong people pleasing trait that she has, there

(38:07):
is also simultaneously responsibility on her not to just like, oh,
if you're a friend to jump off a bridge, we're
going to.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Do it too, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
So I feel like it's more of a balance thing
of like, hey, here's like the errors on all sides,
you know what I mean, Like there was there's missteps
on both sides.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree, Yeah, Yeah, I just
don't know how he didn't like seeing It's it's kind
of crazy. HELENEA. Bane says he is self obsessed and
was benefiting from her people pleasing. Yeah, we kind of
brought that up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah, he literally said himself, like but I was like
she was pleasing me, So I wasn't, you know, thrown
up any complaints.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
And it's like, I feel like that is like a
boring relationship. I remember. I remember in one of my relationships,
I'm like, you always agree with me. There's no way
that's true because I say some messed up stuff. Just
does bro Like I know me, Like, I know you
should not always agree with me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I say things and disagree with myself.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah. I literally have conversations in my head where I'm like, what,
that is the most accurate thing I've ever heard? Yeah,
and what was the response?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Dude, she was so mean after she was like, oh, no,
you're right. I think she became like she was like
a bit more combative after that. But yeah, but then
she was like I feel like then it was like
too combative over correction, Oh wow wow. But no, she
was confrontational. No, but like she started yelling at me,

(39:37):
and I'm like, that's that. That's not like, what.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Do you want, John, I'm saying, what do you want?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I want someone who disagrees with me respectfully, with like
a good tone of voice, like in the same way
I would disagree with someone. I never like raise my voice.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Like the like the one time Christian like got into
it with you at dinner, And.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
That's a perfect argument. That's a perfect argument, dude.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I think I know who should be with them.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
What do you mean, I've already we lived together, but
I feel like that's I mean, on trips we sleep
in the same bed. It's true, I've seen it.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I can't even say that what I saw in this
text messages is they're real Sarah, because it's almost certainly
just another reflection, oh this time of Evelyn and all
her warts and faults. This may sound weird, but it's
like we are in this unequal relationship, whereas maybe she
loves me for who I am and how I wear

(40:34):
my thoughts on my face and my heart and my sleeve.
But maybe I only love her for the mirror she's
holding up to my face. I don't know. If this
sounds too metaphysical for you, then I'm right there as well.
It's like a whisper and idea and I'm still trying
to catch in my fingertips. All I know is in
the last few days, I've probably learned more about Sarah
than I have in the last six years. And the

(40:55):
letter she wrote me. It was the first real view
into her childhood that I had glimpsed. Ruh, that's crazy.
In six years, you don't know anything about her childhood. Yeah,
that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I guess.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Very small points for it seems like he is growing
some self awareness now.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
At least he's growing. Yeah, that's true. That's true. At
least he's growing self awareness.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Zombiel Off twenty five says they need therapy. They a
thousand sent low key, especially Sarah because Sarah's there's a
lot in getting that voice up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Anyway, that night, we talked more about this, about her childhood,
about her behavior. The conclusion that we came to is
that she needs help. She's a grown woman who is
sadly stuck acting like a child, too scared to displease
anyone lest she face her sister's wrath, or her parents's approval,
or the loss of love from the one she loves.

(41:48):
This is no way to have a relationship. And I
can say that I feel much more confident and assured
that my decision to call if the wedding was the
correct one. In fact, it could not be any more correct.
That night, after we talked, I went to bed with
much less angst than I had in the last few days.
So this basically brings me to our last update, and
once again it's a freaking novel. I won't wait two

(42:09):
to three days to do another one, otherwise I will
keep falling forever. For the people who have been wondering,
the entire situation with my brother is more or less resolved. Okay,
so this is an update like a couple of days later.
So the entire situation with my brother is more or
less resolved, and I'll get to that tomorrow. But the
situation with Sarah and I is still up in the air.
Bit there's a semblance of a plan going forward, and

(42:32):
I promise we'll get to as soon as I can.
But as you can imagine, there's a lot to write
and I can only do what I can. Thanks, And
there are some relevant comments before that update. So Northeast
Northwest says, I admire your forthrightness and your insight. It
seems to be becoming clear that you really didn't know
the woman you were going to marry, and after six years,

(42:52):
that's a lot to process. I guess the moral is
to never trust the perfect, because nothing ever is we're humans,
not machines. As for your brother, there are people who
are going to say that what you're doing is the
exact same thing that Sarah did with her sister, But
it isn't. You're waiting a few weeks, not six months.
You're not egging him on or bashing your sister alaw
the way Sarah did with her brother in law. And

(43:14):
for what it's worth, Sarah may have felt bullied by
her sister, but she didn't have to double down or
pile on the mocking of your brother in law. That
was optional. I'm pretty crappy ope, he responds, Yeah. I
think people have focused too much on what Evelyn was
doing and not my not what my primary cause for
concern here was. Sarah actively helped me conceal an affair

(43:34):
by lying to Marty's face and the mean girl's crap
I saw going on back and forth between them. Also,
there's a big difference between Evelyn and my brother Karl.
Evelyn was actively carrying on a physical affair. Carl engaged
in what I consider a much more morally gray area
of cyber spicy sleeping with some random bimbo, no offense
to the aforementioned self proclaimed bimbo, and he stopped it

(43:58):
and even had what I considered a better justification for
doing it. Like I said in a comment from an
earlier post, Evelyn's main argument was that she was bored
and she thought Jake was hot. That's it. He was
hot and readily available. Dude, look like a freaking little
hot pocket. Also, I do have proof that Carl stopped
at thanks to Mandy. Oh. The information she was able

(44:18):
to provide me with jives with what Carl told me.
But I'll get into that in the next post because
it's kind of complicated and I don't want to write
another ten paragraphs right now. She's gonna ask. That's good
to know, he confirmed. That's so fun. He confirmed. Wow.
Two random guys six seven five four says what you
decide as a gray area might not be something your
sister in law sees that way, And what should be

(44:38):
telling that she doesn't see it as a gray area
is the fact, even though they're in marriage counseling, he
hasn't told her about the cyber Spicy sleep And as
someone else said, you have evidence he stopped with Mandy,
But what about others? Lastly, if you don't tell your
sister in law, What did you tell Marty you don't
feel bad for dropping a nuke on his family, Opie says.

(44:59):
I think it's pretty obvious that I don't equate the
behavior here to be the same. This is absolutely something
that we can disagree with. But if I had read
the text exchanges between Evelyn and Sarah and they had
been different in many ways, I would have done totally
different things. For instance, if Sarah had not been encouraging
Evelyn and instead had been telling her to stop and
not going along with the line covering up well, as

(45:21):
I stated many times in previous comments and posts, I
wouldn't have called off the wedding. It was specifically her
actions here around how she handled the cheating situation, not
just that she knew about it, which bothered me, specifically
the lying to Marty. Yea. Again, I do think these
are like vastly different scenarios in terms of magnitude. They

(45:42):
contain elements of the same thing, but I think they
are vastly different intitude. Secondly, if the messages from Evelyn
were along the lines of wow, I really regret cheating
on Marty and I hope we can work on our marriage,
then to be perfectly blunt, I wouldn't have told Marty
all about it. I know a lot of people will
hate that, but my stance is that Marty is happy
and their daughter is happy, and if Evelyn was remorseful

(46:04):
and trying to be a good wife and mom, then
I would have been fine letting her try. I don't
know about that. I'm not saying that I would never
have told Marty because for certain and if I caught
on that Evelyn was going back on her word, I
would have felt like she had blown the chance. So
then he would have said something, but only if she
was like cheating twice. Yeah, I also don't agree.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Again, I think it's goes back to like, yeah, you
don't want to be over involved, but have them tells.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
It, yeah the other person. Lastly, as I said at
the top of this comment, I don't put the actions
of Evelyn and Carl on the same level. I get
that this is a personal value, but that's mine. I
just don't see them the same. I don't even see
what Carl did as emotional cheating, since it's not like
he fell in love with Mandy. He just read some
paid for fiction that she tied through a chat message

(46:52):
and beat it to it. If anything, I find knowing
about this embarrassing for both of us. On top of that,
he's expressed remorse gave a semidient reason. Evelyn's reason was
that Jake was hot, so yeah, and told me he
had quit and that his relationship was getting better. I
guess I'm not a hardliner. I like to apply nuanced
to everything, particularly my interpersonal relationships, and I felt that

(47:12):
my actions in both cases were appropriate. I know this
will anger both the people that think that I shouldn't
have rated out Evelyn and the people who instantly want
to instantly want to dump, nuke, destroy anyone that they
think has cheated, even in Iota. But guys, I am
not you. That's all there is to it. By the way,

(47:32):
you can listen to full stories of this podcast. You
can just go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts or your favorite
podcast app and search Okay story Time and you can
listen to this while doing other things. You just listen
to our voices all the time. Why wouldn't you, Why
wouldn't you live your life with us? Can do it
on the drive. You can do a garden, you can
do cleanon It'd be great, right, there's another relevant comment,

(47:56):
but let's discuss here really quick. Yeah, so what do
you think about Ope saying that messaging the only pans
person is not emotional cheating.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
So here's the problem. He's defining what Karen should feel
for Karen right Like he's saying like, oh, I don't
believe it's that big of a deal. Therefore it's not
that big of a deal for Karen to know, whereas
I think it should be. Like all right, everybody has
like their own different lines. We talked about it, you know,

(48:31):
just just a few minutes ago, and it's like, I
feel like Karen should know so she can decide to
do with the information what she will. Maybe she doesn't
really care and feels the same way as Ope, but
maybe she doesn't. And I feel like op is like
the same way. How he's like, oh, I don't want
to get involved and whatnot. Well, actually he is getting involved,

(48:53):
in my opinion, by making that decision for her and
withholding that information.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Where do you think that line is? So like, let
you know, like let's use like maybe like a like
a worse like or a little little, uh diluted example,
like let's say you're with your brother and they say
and like they call their wife, you know, like a

(49:20):
mean name, they call her a witch or something, you know,
and you don't know if she would be okay with that,
Like do you go say something?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I think, like when does it become a problem? You know,
I think it's it's a good question when it's closer
and closer and more and more evident and clear that
it could potentially disrupt and end the relationship. So now
where we are saying, okay, this is a more gray area,

(49:50):
but it's way closer to the line of potentially Karen
wanting the relation and relationship than him calling her a witch.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
One time in a in a in a conversation.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Right, So I feel like the closer and that is
a spectrum at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Like again, some people would probably with it and.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Well, and some people like if if someone called you
a which one time behind your back, they might end
you know, everyone has like a different line.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
You feel like I would kind of want to know
if my partner was calling me like I would actually
I would that would that would actually like if that
was if someone was talking about me like like like that,
I would probably be like I don't know if that's
a relationship I want to be in exactly right, and
that yeah I probably would, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Again, I think like the closer it gets to evidently, like,
for instance, what's super clear someone has a second family
and kids and his hiding old. All right, well that's like, yeah,
dang near crystal clear. Anyone almost anyone would break up
for that.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
The closer you get to that line, I feel like,
is the uh, the the closer you decide to get
the person to.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Tell your friend calls his girlfriend a witch? Yeah? Right,
do you go to the girlfriend I don't know, chat
with you? Right? And you know, I think the first
time I be like that, that's whack. You shouldn't you should?
What do you? And then the second time you're like,
if you say that again, I'm telling if you put

(51:22):
it like that, that's terrible. Yeah, I don't know, Like
again it is.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
That's where I think it's the That's why I feel
like that rule generally kind of holds up because it's
like again, like it it uh, the the only pans
like cheating is I would say most of us game
agree is probably closer to that line of like, oh,
break the relationship than calling someone a witch.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Or a bad name once or twice. Right, agreed, Yeah,
I hope you guys like my hypotheticals there, but I
would love to know what you guys would do. But
we do have a little bit more to this story.
So two random guy says, with all you said, you
still have an acknowledge of fact that your system of
law might see what your brother has done as cheating.
Just because you see nothing wrong with it doesn't apply

(52:08):
to your system of law. You're a hypocrite and have
given us the wrong impression. You lead us to believe
that you're ending your relationship was due to Sarah bad
mouthing Marty and covering up the cheating. You imply the
cheating it was six months and and you needed to
tell Marty. Op responds, Because it's immaterial. I can only
make decisions based on what I think and no, and
I didn't know what Karen had thought about this. It's speculative.

(52:31):
It's a poor line of reasoning for making an important decision.
So I chose simply to kick the can down the
road until I had more information. This is exactly what
I do in my day job. I don't make conclusions
based on speculations. Because they don't hold up in court.
That is a I hate that answer.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, that like he's like, uh, He's like, I didn't
do it because they don't know what.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
She thinks exactly. You don't know what she thinks. Yeah right,
I don't know either. That last one definitely gave me
a big vibe, big bad vibe, big bad vibe. That's
where that story ends.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yep, I do have something to say, do it?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Can I? Can? I say it? Say it?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
There is more? Yeah, I just looked at the guy's profile.
We did not check his things, but we have one
more like part. We could do maybe two.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Wow. Well, if you guys want another part, let us
know in the comments below.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Another one comment below light it up maybe if you want.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
A part four. But I think that's where this episode ends.
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Deep within the Archives.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Time for okop rewash. Karen demands I removed my knee
brace so her daughter can obliterate me in martial arts.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Okayop, this is okayop. I'm diabled honor and I'm John
Fry and we tell all funny stories on it strong finish. Yeah,
I was quite ready for to bring the heat, like

(54:12):
there you brought it for. We always bring the heat
because we're like pizza buyers in the kitchen cooking up
a good slice up Peppa ROADI.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Speaking of hot Somali uh salami. I'm wondering this has
nothing to do with hot salami, but I am curious. Like, so,
you know how like growing up in like middle school
high school, typically you have like an extracurricular, like you
play soccer, like music.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
I did, what was your piano? I did like fifteen
years of classical piano and then and also swimming. I
basically like my parents are like six, You're like, all right,
no more fun. Swimming and piano take out the rest
of your time. And so that's what I did. Oh
so they just kind of like assigned it to you. Yeah,
they signed it to me. I mean, like the let

(55:00):
me choose. I guess like I did gymnastics for a
little bit. I kind of wish I was into, like
I wish instead of instead of like swim lessons, it
was like surf lessons. I would have been sick right right,
And instead of piano, maybe it was like jazz jam piano,
and like I would have wanted to like jam, you know,

(55:20):
like like I can't. I can play for a lease
or not for least I could play like Bach and
Mozart and Beethel and like all like really complex pieces
for at least. Isn't that hard? I can't like jam
with my bros.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Yeah, and so I wish, which, by the way, we
need a jam session for the two of us is
very overdue.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
That is true. That is true, John John is an
excellent percussionist.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yes, that was my like high school from from like
eleven to senior year. That was my like my thing,
my extracurricular thing. You were in band too, I was, yeah,
like the whole way band captain at the end, like
the whole the whole band. What band captain? Baby band captain?
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Can we call you captain band? Yes? Captain bands bands
because we making stacks out, stacks on stack.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Support us of patron Yeah, bands that make her dance
came out when I was in high school, so por
very well. We actually played like the most lit songs ever. Yeah,
we played We played black and yellow, We played uh long,
there's a song long heel, red bottoms which is like
not high school or appropriate, but it was fine.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
But it's band appropriate.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, baby, and the heat that's right, John bang in
every drum comes his way. Oh no, drum I if
you catch my throat. But I have a story today
about someone who also was a banging on not drums,
but uh on people, oh like in a sexy way,

(56:53):
or in like assault way, in an angry way, in
a skillful way, and a skillful away.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
All right, let's let's get into it. I'm not confused,
but I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Karen demands I removed my knee brace so her daughter
can obliterate me in martial.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Arts, like like sweep the leg. You know, I'm just
I'm just imagining this karate kid move like you don't.
He needs the knee brace to compete.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Exactly Like but this, this, Karen is like, what is
all the ways.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
That my child can win and you can receive pain? Yeah? No,
this is ridiculous. He needs the knee brace, he does.
Or they think it might be a woman.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Oh she I think we'll say they okay, they gender
neutral gender neutral pronouns, yeah, or we could use kitty
kitty self.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
See no, those are some neo pronouns for you. Oh wow,
we're like the next next age bro, where like people
are saying like this is the only male podcast that
I like, Oh yeah, that's right, we're woke.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
The explosion of the like alpha male podcast has been
like really weird and like and have you seen it.
I've seen some of them, Like I've seen like some
clips where it's like if I cry in form of woman,
the relationship is over. So I never cry because women
need strong men, yeah, or or it's like I don't know,
it's just like a bunch of like insane points about like.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Uh like really trying to be alpha man. Men that
are that just start broken inside? Yeah, it's like they
need some love and affection, bro. Honestly one hundred, Like
there's kind of a reason why they are putting the
alpha title on themselves, so like ferociously, Yeah, it's because

(58:42):
you know, inside it's on Alpha Male, it's a little
little cub trying out for affection. A cubs that needs
a hug, Just cubs that need a hug. Yeah, that's yeah.
That is a response to Alpha male podcasts. Our new
Alpha Male podcast is cubs that need hugs.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Yes, yes, we are high value cubs that deserve hugs. Yeah,
I know this is controversial, but I don't care.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I'm gonna break it in. What we're about men showing
men affectionate public. Yeah, that's right. That's how controversial we are.
That's all right. That's right. Suck it Alpha Male Podcast.
That's right as hug and you're gonna freaking love it.
That's right. Emotional vulnerability, and you're gonna be like, oh
my god, this is the best thing ever.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
You're welcome van, Gotta love it, gotta love it. All right,
let's dive in. Shall let's do it. I am a
martial artist and I've been training in my specific discipline
for about twelve years now, moving.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Twelve twelve years. Man's man's like I only know like
a couple of martial artists, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
In my region, we have a group that organizes events
between dojo's and cities.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Connor McGregor. That's another one, Connor McGregor. That's true.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
He is.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah, you're right, mixed martial arts. It's like oursel arts,
but you put it in a blender.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
The most popular, the most popular events are tournaments. Before COVID,
we used to have almost monthly tournaments in different cities.
They weren't mandatory, but a lot of people still came
because almost everyone is a good sport.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No. Wow, that's great. I mean it's cool that you
have like a community, the community. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
But notice how I said almost everyone, oh wow wow,
or someone saying he wasn't even reading that guy. Since
tournaments have started up again with a lot of restrictions
for health reasons, my dojo has been pretty happy. Those
of us who can go take time to commute.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I don't know why. I love like I love the
term dojo. It is kind of a It just sounds like,
you know, baba ganush. Is it like a food? It's yeah,
it's a food.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
It's like it's like a really creamy I forget what
like the core substances, but it's like a Mediterranean Eastern dish.
But the name babagansh is just off the tongue. It
just rolls off the tongue. I start calling my room
the dojo the dojo. Yeah, yeah, welcome to the dojo.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Maybe that can be our future studio name. Yeah, the
dojo yo. No. Yeah, So like we don't say, like, hey,
do you want to come over to the studio. We say, hey,
do you want to go to the dojojo? Yeah, dude,
I actually love that. We should totally call it the
okof dojo. Yeah. If we're a dojo, we're gonna like
put like mats on the floor.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Yeah yeah, we literally we're gonna just be sitting on
the ground drinking green tea and reading stories.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
The last tournament was one day ago and we were
in a city that was about a two hour drive
away from my hometown. Everything was going smoothly until I
went in to change room to get into my gi
my uniform. There, whizz whiz, guys, we know nothing like

(01:01:51):
this is what you get. This is what you get
when you hire people reading Greta stories. Yeah, you paid
for this, that's right with your eyeball. There was a
mother there with her daughter who looked around my age.
Why the mom was there in the changing room was
beyond me, but I didn't pay him any mind and
went into a corner to change. I had about half
my uniform on during the drive, but I still needed

(01:02:13):
to put the top on and my knee brace. When
I was rolling out my pants to put on the
knee brace. The mother was giving me this nasty look.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Oh, some staker. She quickly pulled the daughter out of
the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Just before I put on my belt, my senior instructor
told me that I needed to see the head black
Belts immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Oh no, you never want to go to the head
of the black belt immediately. That's all good. The black
belts have been called the Counsel of black Belts has
been thesemble and is going to dole out justice to you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Me, is everything all right? Head black belt? This woman
and her daughter say that you have a legal gear?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Legal gear? Could we please see it? Illegal? Gee? Er,
don't do jokes? Do jokes me jokes. Welcome, that's what
we call her dojo, the do the doj jokes jojo.
Oh man, we're quickly going downhill, guys. Me baffled.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Of course, I left my gear back in the change room, though,
I'll have to run and grab it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
If you want. Karen, Oh no, you don't. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
At this point, everyone in the small group turned to
her aghast. She put the gear on while my daughter
and I were in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
The changing room.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
All no, so, my instructor, are you sure it was op?
I've been training with her for years. She brought back
all her gear at my dojo, and we don't have
anything illegal. The entitled daughter, she was putting the gear
on her knee. I saw her me, wait, do you

(01:03:57):
mean my knee brace?

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
What's wrong the knee brace?

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
My instructor, she needs that head black belt I was
notified about that knee brace. It is perfectly legal for
Opie to wear it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yeah, BROPI needs to brace's knee or her knee needs
to brace their knee because, uh, you don't want to
get like a dislocated knee or something on that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
That's right, The head black belt says she needs it
if she wants to compete safely.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, exactly, Karen, No.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
It's illegal. My daughter has to fight someone with reinforced
knee How is that fair?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
All reinforced knees, superbionic knees. The seven million dollar woman.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Head black belts, well, why is your daughter aiming for
the knees?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, you shouldn't even be naming for the knees.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
My instructor not to mention OPI and your daughter won't
spar with each other. They're in completely different belt rank divisions. Yeah,
like op is actually good entitled daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Why does she even need it? She can work just
fine because she's about the fight. She hasn't brace those knees.
Real reinforcing a knee.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
This isn't concrete, guys, like she needs it to not
have any issues me. If you have to know, I've
had knee problems for years, just ask anyone in my dojo.
I got into an accident a while back and it
just made things worse. I did a physical and now
I can walk around, but my knee could give out
if I'm not careful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Karen. Still, my daughter is competing for the grand champion now,
but not against Ope. So what does it matter? My instructor?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
How your daughter's an orange belt, she's not allowed to
compete in a black belt division. Direct o, kay, Karen,
But I had black belt. That is enough, OPI is competing,
But if you don't stop pressing the issue, your daughter

(01:06:07):
will not compete.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I love how like that is enough? It's like like
it's like Gandalf or like you shoul.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Head black belt turns to me, go and get the
rest of your gie on good luck in competing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Very wise words. Wow, wow, so it was solved. I
guess like she ended up competing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Well, there's a little little bit more so me. Thank
you had mister had black belt the girl. The girl
got to compete and lost, while I did the exact
same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I also lost. Still, the person who won the gold
deserved it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Anyway, This isn't as bad as the many stories I've
read on this subreddit, but I thought I would share
this woman's audacity.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah, dude, the audacity for someone be like your protecting
your knees. How dare you the audacity of her caucaciity?
But you know what, you should always have the audacity
to do.

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Someone told my ex's fiance that she's still.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
In love with me. That's a messy, Yes, it is. So.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
One of my best friends, Carla, is getting married soon.
It's only meant to be a small backyard type of wedding.
But we've been planning it for a few months now,
and originally it was supposed to be on my property.
They wanted to use my property because it's private, it
has lots of open space for the reception, a nice view,
and the house could be used to get ready and whatnot.
Of course I said yes, and she and her friance Rick,

(01:07:59):
were very happy. But this the thing is, Carla and
I do have a history, a history, a history amexial history.
It's frisky, a frisky one, hot, steamy, like a bowl
of fresh ramen. So we went on and off in college,
but eventually decided to stay friends. Then I met my wife,

(01:08:21):
we got married, Carla met Rick, and now here they are.
So they've kind of moved on and agreed, Hey, well they.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Have their own relationships, have our own.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Relationships, will stay in our lives as friends, right cool. Now,
My wife knows that I went out with Carla back
in college, and she didn't care. Carla still went to
our wedding and everything. I never knew if Rick, her fiance,
was told or not. It's not my relationship, therefore not
my business to say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
So I never did. Fair.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
The thing is Rick found out recently and not in
the best of ways. Oh God, who doesn't tell Like
I feel like that's something that you tell there. Yeah,
that is if they're involved in your life like that, Like, hey, yeah,
just so you know, like we have a history.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Like my ex girlfriend Sophie, who I dated for like
a year, is coming back to LA for a few
days and wants to get dinner with all the friends,
and like, immediately when I knew that, and like, like
Arianna knew a little bit, but I'm like, heay, like
Sophie's coming back, yeah, and then I have to tell
Sophie about Arianna, and then I knew about each other.
You do it first contact, first contact numberfore.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Exactly, like if you just want to get it out
of the way, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Like, and it's awkward and it's weird, but it's the
right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
It's the right thing to do, and doing it upfront
is best for everyone. It makes it less awkward and weird.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
The earlier you do it, the more you wait, the
more the awkwardness. Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
No, he says, I'm not sure how exactly he found out,
but from what I heard from friends. One mutual friend
told him no idea why that we used to date.
And not only that, but apparently Carla said a couple
years ago that she was still in love with me
while she had started dating Rick, her now fiance.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
What yeah, oh that Rick. I feel bad for Rick man.
I know Rick kind of here going, you know, everyone
wants op over here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
I don't have actual confirmation that that is exactly what
he was told, but he thinks that's what went down.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
All that Carla has told me is that Rick was
told about our past and he's now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Very angry at her for never saying anything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
And honestly, that's probably because you still have feelings for
that person if you're that cagey about it, Because if
you're not, then it's not even a worry. That's yeah,
Oh this happened like it's it's nothing anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
It's chill. You know, there's nothing you should be worried about,
and if.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
You're intentionally not saying something, maybe there is something you
should be worried about.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
It became quite a drama, and we didn't hear from
her for over a month.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
A month until now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Oh wait, what's happening. Now we're about to find out.
She told me that they're going to couples counseling. So
it's it's been pretty rough basically, but the wedding is
still blonde. But Rick suggested that I don't attend, and
it sucks, but I totally get why he wouldn't be

(01:11:12):
comfortable with me there. Then I asked the obvious question,
where are they going to hold the wedding? Then, to
my surprise, she said that she still wanted it to
be at our place, so she they want to uninvite
him from the wedding but hold it at his house.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Wait what, Yes, the wedding venue is the Opie's house. Yeah,
he can't even go to his own house.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
That's ridiculous, literally, like, hey, get out of your own
house for like all like week, may like four days.
You know, that's silly, silly, you can't. You can't have
your cake and eat it exactly. Like, they either need
to invite him or completely move, which sucks, Like it
sucks to move the whole wedding to a new place,
but that's just what you got to do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
You can't tell someone, hey, you just you know, inte
him to the wedding.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Or yeah, yeah, exactly, that's that's the other option there
of what they should do. So she said that, Rick
said so, And in my mind, I'm going he doesn't
want the guy who dated his fiance years ago at
the wedding, but still wants the wedding at my house,
Like it's just not adding up for him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Also, this house must be nice to have, like your.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like I mean if it has,
like he said, a nice view, large enough for the
reception and after like he sounds like he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
A baller ass pass. Uh no, wonder she still loves
give it him checks. Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Now, my wife and I are expecting to just not
be at our home that weekend. Like it's just crazy.
So here is what I told Carla. No, I told her, no,
they're going to have to find someplace else since we
are not going to simply leave our home to them

(01:12:55):
for an entire weekend. Yeah, and like, not only for
the safety reasons, but it just doesn't make sense overall.
Rick doesn't want me around because he's not comfortable, but
he's comfortable enough to have the wedding at my house.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah, Rick is just insecure at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
You're all over the place, man, like you got you
gotta get it together, like I'm look, it sucks that
you know you found it all the information the way
you did, but like this is not the appropriate response here.
They really want their wedding here though, and because of that,
I've been bugged not only by her, but also Rick
and some of their friends who think I'm being a

(01:13:33):
petty a hole by not letting them have their wedding
here anymore. So they're just getting all their friends to
gang up on them like ridiculous kind of whack. I
honestly don't think that I'm the a hole here. It
just doesn't make sense at all to have us leave
our own place for a wedding we're no longer welcome to,
and leaving our home totally vulnerable as well, still being

(01:13:54):
accused of sabotaging their wedding, and Rick believes it's the
least I can do after everything?

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Am I the ale? I think? No? Yeah, no, it's
a it's a fricked up situation here, but it's it's
not Op's fault. No, it's really Carlo's fault for not
telling Rick, and that's Rick's fault for being insecure, and
then there's both their fault for still wanting to have
the wedding even though they feel insecure about Op being there. Literally,

(01:14:24):
Op definitely not the ahole. I agree. I think I
think that's case closed.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
I think that's two wedding stories for the books.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Detective, We've done it again. Yes, before we go subscrib

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