I RUINED my mother-in-law’s Christmas meal… after she crossed a line! - r/JUSTNOMIL | Reddit Stories - ok storytime

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I ruined my mother in law's Christmas meal after she
crossed a line not Christmas. I knew it was going
to be bad, but I decided to give it a chance.
So let's preface this with how the plans came about.
Each year, mother in law asks us earlier and earlier
about what our plans will be because I don't think
anyone else would spend it with her. If I'm being honest,

(00:30):
we are basically required to spend the day with them.
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two weeks before Christmas, mother in law rang and said
she would be cooking for us, under the guise of
us being so busy with work and deserving a break.
I was like no, but I settled in the middle

(00:52):
as it wasn't worth an argument. She said she would
do the turkey and the dessert. Okay, no problem. She
knows I don't like Christmas putting, but only brought Christmas pudding.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Hey dude, did I just like totally nail that they
were British?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I think, so wow, Yeah you did. Luckily, I had
planned ahead for this exact situation and bought a yule
log Ah nice roll around to Christmas Eve and she
demands we spend the day with her because it's their tradition.
Never mind my side of the family and the fact
that we're spending tomorrow with them. She knows I struggle
with body confidence and this woman is a walking trigger.

(01:27):
We mentioned that we watched Bridget Jones and she immediately
went full monologue about how thin and beautiful she is
after losing all that weight. Oh, just like Bridget did
in the movie. Sorry, well, what love. She's kept going
on and on about it, and I swear she saw
my reaction and did it to hurt me. I hate
this the most. She said other horrible crap about my

(01:48):
weight before. I'm five five seventy kilograms, so hardly overweight.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
They insist we follow their schedule on Christmas, even though
we always worked around them when they hosted, we now
had to eat at five point thirty instead of two,
which is when we would have liked. Fast forward to
the big day itself. When they arrive, she says to me,
go peel the veg so I do. Fifteen minutes later,
she comes in and tells me I've peeled the carrots wrong,

(02:15):
which I don't even know how to you do that.
You do it sideways, not long, witties. I don't peel carrots,
no idea how you peel carrots wrong. I'm a thirty
two year old woman. Then she dismisses me from the
kitchen and tells me I'm not allowed back in for
the rest of the time. We start cooking around three
point thirty. At this point I know she's just going
to cook what and how she wants. She tells me

(02:37):
we won't be using my seasoning of choice, rosemary, and
that she'll handle it. Then she nominates my husband to
go in and cook with her. I hear several quiet
conversations clearly meant for his years. Only later on I
go in to grab a drink and this woman had
the audacity to repeatedly tell me.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Go away, go away, go away.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
In my own kitchen. On Christmas Day, the meal I
was supposed to be cooking. My husband has said or
done pretty much nothing. I confronted him later, but he
claimed he didn't see or hear anything of concern. After
several digs at me and my knowledge, I get an
attitude and start making things difficult for her. After dinner,
I call my dad and start joking that the meal

(03:16):
was so awful and that I hope he gets cat
food next year because it would be better than this.
And man, was she unhappy. But I used her own
techniques against her, disguised it as a joke, and made
offensive comments. Anyway, they left. Yeah, I mean that was
that really the way to handle it. I mean, sometimes
you know, maybe you know, like a little conversation you're

(03:39):
like just yeah, you know, the dinner. I was expecting
a lot more out of it. It just wasn't up
to par. And meanwhile, she's five feet away like she's
see it, and you go, oh my god. Now I
was being sarcastic.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm joking cooking was so great. High Actually I'm joking, I'm.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
So glad you didn't use any salt and that rosemary
is illegal in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Now, yeah, thank you. Honestly hate my food with season nine.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah. Normally they would text something saying like thanks, it
was wonderful, but it's been radio silence. Oh and I
also did something chalot e thought about it cool while wasted.
Absolutely I turned up the oven temperature on their Christmas
putting and burned it on purpose. When they saw it
was burnt, I sat down in silence, enjoyed my u

(04:23):
log and went, mmm, I love ulog.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's such a shame, not enough for anyone else. I'm
also I'm so sorry about your burnt pudding. I feel
effing fantastic. After they left, I absolutely lost it at
my husband for the first time properly. He tried to
hug me, but I said, no, you need to see
how much this is hurting me as I stood there
screaming and crying about how they treat me. Okay, don't

(04:52):
know if that's the best way to go about that.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Okay, girlie, I am sensing that we may not me
using some healthy.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Community something a little toxist relationship.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
And I don't think you need to, you know, reenact
how it's hurting to you to your husband. I think
we can use our words. I don't think we have
to scream and cry.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
We can cry, don't scream, no cry, describe cry.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I can cry, don't scream and cry.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I told him I will not be spending any more
Christmases with her or her birthday in January. I am
perpetually busy now and will not be going over. He
can now deal with having to explain why I'm no
longer existing in their lives. That was his choice. He
can deal with it because I'm sick of advocating for
myself and getting zero fing support. But we had already
spent the last two years with them. We said no

(05:40):
because we want to host Christmas for the first time
this year. They said, okay, we'll come to you then,
and I already knew it would go down like this. Yeah,
they hijacked your host. Anyway, on the presumption that we
are hosting, one would naturally assume that we're also going
to be making dinner. My friend who was an absolute
gem in helping me through that day. She was tx me,

(06:00):
keeping me sane and strong. It should have been my
husband though. Anyway, I'm sure there will be other stuff.
I remember that she did and put it in the comments.
We have an update. Oooh, okay, just tould we just
jump into it. I fink she'd give it a little
bit of advice. Here something we just give you a
jump jump. Hey, guys, can't thank you enough for all

(06:21):
the support yesterday, through tears and ugly cry laughing with you,
I have a small update. I'm going to send a text.
I've decided that I must let her know where we stand.
I'll be sending it tomorrow in the daytime, after having
slept on it. Though any advice is appreciated, I can't
promise I will apply it. I want it to be
in line with my feelings and beliefs. She knows nothing

(06:42):
at this stage, so it will come out of the
blue to her. Here's the text, Hey, mother in law,
I have had so many reservations about sending another text.
I believe this is now number three. But in less
serious changes are made than I will have to think
about how I wish to move forward in the future
with our relationship. After Christmas Day, I don't feel I
can keep quiet. I've been trying so hard to make

(07:03):
excuses for the things that have been said and done,
tried to keep smiling, but I'm afraid I have now
reached a limit. I'm not willing to surpass at my
own expense. Here are the main issues I've had over
the last couple of days. Note that there has been
an almost every visit something said that I have found hurtful,
but I can only summarize recent ones that have stuck
out to me. My dad, implying my dad was harmful

(07:26):
like yours. Accusing my dad of ill intent at his
job on a few occasions, saying my dad's wedding speech
was taken from the internet. Christmas, agreeing that we will
host Christmas Day, only to have been banned from my
own kitchen to cook how we want for our first
ever Christmas, saying go away when I tried to be involved,
down to the seasoning I wanted to use, even criticizing

(07:46):
the way I chopped the carrots, refusing to give me
even a vague idea of the time of meal readiness
so I could warm up cookies, food and make myself mash,
only to be told it's too late now. Control issues.
It feels like you just want to control everything. I
would never dream of telling you what to do in
your own kitchen. Remember these strogan off It happened again.

(08:06):
We tried to meet in the middle with you doing
the turkey, but I am thirty two years old and
more than capable of cooking roast vegetables. It is offensive
to me. I'm not in any way saying the food
was bad, because honestly it wasn't and I genuinely enjoyed
the meal, but the sour taste was left when you
removed my autonomy. You remove our autonomy consistently and cross

(08:27):
lines that no one should have to point out. I've
said this before and I don't intend on saying it again.
I'm honestly not ungrateful for any of the help or
advice you've given when it has been appropriate, but it
does often cross the line becoming disrespectful. I feel that
often it is said and done nicely, so it's hard
for me to push back, but it does come across
as disrespectful and controlling. For example, what we are allowed

(08:50):
to do on holiday. It's advice we don't want. Let
us do it our own way without making promises to you,
and let us make our own mistakes. And lastly, this
one happened a while back, but to be honest, it's
unforgettable and there is no other way. I believe this
would be said unless it was intended to hurt someone.
When you took me outside on my own to look
at the wedding flowers in the boot of your car,

(09:11):
I said, oh, lovely, you don't need to spend loads
on lots of flowers. A small bouquet is fine for me,
and you responded with you are a big girl, so
you'll need a big bouquet. I was shocked and silenced
the entire night, left and cried, but didn't know how
I could ever accuse you of saying that, as I
almost couldn't believe it myself, and being so close to

(09:32):
the wedding, didn't want to cause drama so brushed it
under the rug. Ultimately, I regret that, as I don't
think I will ever get over this, and at this
point can't find it in me to forgive you for
this comment. Aside from that, there have been several other
inappropriate comments about my weight in the past. I remember
once in the Lakes you were telling me that my
food choices were bad garthic bread because it will make

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me even bigger. At the time, father in law even
stepped in to stop you and said, it isn't okay,
but you tried to justify and moved on. And by
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name on your platform of choice. After right after this, right,
too long, wait, wait, too long.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Too la. All I heard was your fault, your fault,
your fault. Here's more of your fault. That's what she
This is what she's gonna read. She's gonna be read.
She's gonna read, I hate you, mother in law, You're
the worst. Your fault, your fault, I hate you. That's
what she's gonna read.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
In that, she's gonna hit you with the iron read
and all that.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
If you want to open up a conversation, don't send this.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, on a real level, like the likelihood of you
changing her ways at this point in her life significantly limited.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
But I just don't think. I think that you could
potentially approach the conversation effectively, but not with this novel
of a text.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think the person you need to approach is your husband. Yes,
in this situation, I am not okay with any of this,
and I also won't be silent any longer. I want
to move forward, but there have to be genuine changes,
and the next time a boundary is crossed, I will
be calling it out, and if it continues, I will
remove myself from the situation. I hope we can find
a way to move past this, but please give me

(11:19):
some space as I'm feeling pretty crap about the entire thing.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, too much.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, and that is the end of that story. And yaosa, yeah,
in the words of my friend. Look, sometimes we think
we need to say all of those.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Things right, and that is the process of kill your darlings. Yeah,
but we we feel very attached to our thoughts and
our ideas and we think that we have to read
them out in their entirety.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
In there when they were just conceived. But genesis of
the idea.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
But twenty five percent of that is the meat.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, you don't need to send every single thing that
you think about your mother in law to her. It's
all at the same time.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Probably great that you wrote that all out because now
you that and you know how you feel, and you know, like,
if she crosses this line, I'm not gonna take it.
What you send to her is, Hey, I wanted to
talk about how I felt at Christmas. This is how
I felt. Let's have a conversation about it. I want
to improve our relationship, but right now it feels like

(12:18):
we're at kind of a not great place.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, and then you hit the gatling pew pew at
the end, you were like, every all the bullet points
you go and yeah, pounce. She's not gonna go. Oh
my god, Now that you've pointed out everything I've ever
done wrong, I see it.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
If your goal is to attack her and then get
the heck out of there, and then sure send this.
But but yeah, if you want actual change, this is
not the way to get it. But that is the
end of that story. My boyfriend's mother is lived at
me because I refuse to live an isolated life with him.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
What do you mean you don't want to spend your
evenings and your days and your afternoons in my basement
with my bowl.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
To summarize, my boyfriend and I have been together for
five years. Whoot. From the beginning, his mom was not
a fan of me, as she had worked with my
mother at the same hospital and they didn't get along
too well. There is a lot of history, but I'll
just say the story that broke the camel's back. By
the way, this comes from Coolcakes, and if you want
to spit your own story, go to our Slash Showcase stores.

(13:23):
This incident is what has totally destroyed the relationship with
the family. My boyfriend wanted to ditch the apartment life
and live in a trailer up north, about three hours
away from my salon. He wanted me to quit my
job and go with them. I told him no, long
story short, we had broken up because we clearly had
different paths. Well, well, give it two weeks and he
deeply regrets the decision he made. He claimed he was

(13:45):
acting on impulse and thought it would be what he
wanted when it wasn't. I needed time before I took
him back because I didn't want to get myself in
a lease with someone who acts that irrational. His mother
was livid that I didn't immediately take him back. She
had told him, if she doesn't take you back by Friday,
let that witch go, and even highly encouraged him not
to be with me. It hurt my feelings because this woman,

(14:06):
to a woman I thought she could actually see my side.
But now once again I was wrong because I told
him I needed time before we got back. He was sad.
He was posting moby stuff on Facebook. He was posting
moopy stuff on Facebook, and you could clearly see was heartbroken.
Fast forward a few months, with effort and lots of
date nights, we reconciled. I was ready to put my

(14:27):
trust in him again, and honestly, we've been better than ever.
I truly think the break was something we both needed
to remind ourselves what we have and put some icues.
If you know where this is going. Things were going great. Well.
We were making dinner one night and his brother sends
him a text asking him, moms, as you're being misreadd
are you okay you can openly talk to me?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Just letting you know.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Mom says you're getting bullied. She says that I have
to tell you that you can talk to me if
you want.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
The eye roll is so yes. Oh man, my nana says,
women don't sweat, we just glow.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
We just listen.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, you're just glowing.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Oh so sad? Like, oh thank you?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
What's the word? This feels orchestrated?

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah? I was floored because I've spent five years taking
care of her son, doing his laundry, cooking him dinner,
and doing whatever I can to make him happy. I
just didn't want to quit my job and live in
a trailer, and she thought that made me selfish. He
texted back, what the ever are you talking about and says, no,
that's not the case at all, but his brother is
asking him if he's safe. I was like, what the f.

(15:33):
Because I would never lay my hands on him, I
would never intentionally want to hurt him, and I truly
just want us both to be happy. Long story short.
She texted me saying she was just worried about her
son because he hadn't texted her in a while and
saw his sad Facebook post about us being broken up
and thought I was maybe abusing him. Well, I saw
on Facebook that you were broken up, so I assumed.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
That you were awful.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I mean there, but they're broken up. I thought it okay, Yeah,
I replied, if you were truly concerned, you should have
talked to him first before telling everyone in the family
I abuse your son. She deleted me on all social media.
Social media. She deleted me on all social media, didn't
say happy birthday, then texted me months later basically saying,

(16:16):
I'm sorry you felt that way for my words. I
just said okay, and I want to move on. But
now my boyfriend's brother just had a baby and they
want us all to get together on October fifth, and
I'm scared. I literally have crippling anxiety at the thought
of spending a weekend with them, as now everyone there
was told I abuse my boyfriend. I literally have crippling

(16:36):
anxiety at the thought of spending a weekend with them,
as now everyone there was told I abuse my boyfriend.
I'm embarrassed and don't feel comfortable. She also said we
need to have a serious talk, and my boyfriend said, no,
we really don't, but I just have a feeling confrontation
is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Okay, okay, okay, here's my game plan, right, what's your
game plan? You game plan with boyfriend? This boyfriend is
on the same page as you. This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
She also planned this on a Saturday with a week's notice.
I work on Saturdays. I'm a hair dresser, so he
said I would be able to make it on Sunday,
and she replied back, Wow, she just never wants to
show her faith or be around us. In summary, boyfriend's
mom told everyone in the family I abuse him, gets
mad at me for my work schedule, and doesn't think
we should be together. And now I have to see

(17:21):
them on October fourth to meet his brother's new baby.
I told my boyfriend I didn't want to go, and
he is saying it's very important to him to prove
them wrong. So I'm doing it for him. I just
need some advice. This is the worst feeling ever. It's
like being watched, examined, and judged by a group of
people who don't even know me at all.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, I don't know. I've said my advice. That's exactly
what I do. I think you get on the same
page with your boyfriend, kah present it to the group.
Is there's a comment from miss Jaber that's like, make
the mom correct her rumors. Don't do that. You can't.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
She's not gonna do that. She's gonna be like she's
gonna do like, she's gonna be like I have to
come on the stage and say that, oh P is
not a abusing her boyfriend going.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
To blink out like in morse code like sos like help,
I'm being forced to say this against my will. She's
gonna pull those severance.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
No, just get on the same page with that. Take
the power with your your boyfriend, and then you're and
then you're in the clear.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Also, we live in a different state than his family,
so they've only met you a handful of time, if
that matters at all. Update. I posted a little bit
ago about how I was struggling with my role in
this relationship with my mother in law. My husband started
a new apprenticeship, works a ton of storm work, and
has a class full time, so to say the least,
he's very busy. Out of courtesy, I would update mother

(18:37):
in law as he does a great job keeping me
in the loop, but not always his family. Over Christmas weekend,
my husband got sent to do storm work. What is this?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I think, Uh, what is this? Really? Find says storm
clean up?

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Storm clean up?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know. I updated mother in law and then she
proceeded to say, me and father in law are coming
down X days. As do you assume a husband will
be back by Then I talked my husband and he said, no,
I don't know how long I'll be gone. I related
the message and she pushed and pushed. It was then
I made my first post. I was done being the messenger.
She doesn't respect when I say no, right now is

(19:13):
not a good time for your son. He's busy. I
told my husband I couldn't do this anymore. He agreed.
After he worked seventy hours of storm work. Mother in
law tried again. My husband said, I will let you
know when it works for you to come down. He
just wanted to rest and catch up on school work.
He got released on Christmas Eve. They didn't know he
got released as I didn't share. So when she texted

(19:35):
me and asked if he was back, bless you, I
said yes. It was short with no details. She then
asked a FaceTime on Christmas. Father in law says, on FaceTime,
you had time to update your wife, but not your mom.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, nothing personal.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
It was in a joking tone, but it still rubbed
me the wrong way. My husband said, yeah, that's my wife.
Then mother in law said to my husband, I thought
maybe he just didn't like me anymore. She then posted
on Facebook, if they don't miss you, they never cared
about you.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, okay, to be fair, my mom will pull stuff
like this sometimes, but not the Facebook post. She just
goes like, I just saw you didn't like me anymore,
and it's like, yeah, my dad will text her.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
If I don't text my dad back enough, he'll be like,
I guess you don't even care about your father anymore.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, And it's like but then he won't go on
Facebook and be like, I guess my daughter are just
like never going to change.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, this is a wild move. On FaceTime, she tried
to plan for my husband's birthday, but he will be
working and said he will be very busy as he
has tests and a big final coming up. Well today,
you'll never guess what. After being told six different times
that we will let her know when things are good
for a visit, she calls my husband and says, I'm

(20:43):
coming down Tuesday. I made appointments and I really need
to go to the Costco in your city. We live
five hours away. She didn't ask, she said, just like
the last time, Okay. Well basically what happened please is
that after telling her like, don't come, don't come, We'll
let you know when you can come, she called them
and was like, Hey, I'm coming out, I'm coming, I'm
coming over and I need to go to Costco.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
She'said, I'm coming over because I got into Costco.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, my husband said, I mean it's a bit last minute.
She said, well, I already made plans and need to
go to Costco, Costco, Costco. That's why we're talking about it.
So I'm livid at this point. This woman has been
told not right now multiple times and doesn't care. She
doesn't respect her space. Unfortunately, my husband felt he was
in a hard place and didn't know what to say
other than this is really last minute. I was pissed,

(21:29):
as I feel this enables her behavior. My husband said
he's going to take care of it and have a
firm conversation Tuesday when they arrive after dinner. My question
is where do I stand in this conversation? Should I
just let my husband do all the talking. I wanted
to maybe mention a thing or two, like not just
texting me for plans, text the group chat, or how

(21:50):
I'm in a hard situation if my husband doesn't want
to see them when they want to come down. But
I'm thinking I should just stay silent and let him
take charge. He feels the same way and as ie
what he plans to say, I just want to tread carefully,
as things can go extreme with this woman. My husband
agrees with everything written above, says he's unhappy with her
as well, and thinks it's ridiculous by the way. You

(22:12):
know what's not ridiculous listening to full episodes of stories
just like this. Just go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or
iHeartRadio and search the book a story time.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I will do that right after this story.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Just do that.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
We do have a little more story round.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
We've got a little bit. Do you have any final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I mean, I think with how your husband works, like
it's kind of hard to be like he has to
take point forever or whatever. Yeah, I think in this
in this one situation, you can take point right. But
it's like you're gonna have to develop some path for
you to be able to communicate with the mother in
law or not even the mother in law y'allren't married,
but just like communicating with his mom without it being volatile. Yeah, exactly,

(22:50):
like figuring out the you know, the like what kind
of kid gloves you gotta wear, Like what order of
operations you need to do in order to like sort
of bypath her more volatile reactions and doesn't make her right.
Like I'm just saying, how do you make the situation
as peaceful and like effective as possible moving forward? It's
like you've got to figure out how she needs to

(23:11):
be talked to.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, and hopefully your husband will have some insight on that.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah. And also just keep communicating with your husband about
where you're at with it.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah. What makes this complicated is mother in law lost
a child a few years ago and husband lost a sibling,
so there is grief there. However, that doesn't mean she
can disrespect boundaries. Thank you for reading, and I'll take
any advice. There is more context in my first post
about her behavior and why this woman gives me so
much anxiety. Also, know is this upcoming conversation is going

(23:40):
to be a crap show, either with tears or anger.
And I just need solid advice on how to tackle this.
And that is the end of the story. And there
you go. I think we gave you everything we can give.
You have the tools, now you must use them.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
We have the tools to rebuild him being the dynamic
we have with our boyfriend's mother. Indeed, we've been estranged
from my stepmother in law because she's self centered.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Well maybe she should recenter herself.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Backstory for context. My husband's childless stepmom married his dad
when he was fifteen. I have known her since I
was seventeen when I started dating my now husband. And
by the way, this comes from user jib Girl and
if you want to submit your own stories, go to
the r slash okay storytime subreddit. SOO, she has been
a self absorbed, hardcore drain from the start. However, I

(24:33):
was young and a person who, due to childhood trauma,
always wanted to keep the peace, so I never rocked
the boat. When we got married, I saw some upcoming
challenges coming my way by her being my stepmother in law.
I really noticed it when we started having kids and
she was now grandmother to them. Got insufferable and I
would share info slash boundaries with her, but it never
hit home because she didn't want to face the music

(24:55):
and would be manipulative by crying to end the discussion.
Over the years, she had has been a thorn in
my side by constantly giving me unsolicited advice about my kids,
my pets, the garden, our food, et cetera. Keeping watchful
detective like tabs on us and interrogating us and testing us.
She has a shrill, annoying, intense voice and gets ornery
and argumentative. If my kids or I don't do it

(25:19):
just like her, Oh, it comes across as lecturing, controlling
and highly critical. And also I don't respect her advice
for many reasons I won't get into, so I just
don't want to hear it from her at all. My
kids think of her as an elderly great aunt. They
have expressed she lacks the warmth of a grandmam. She
makes them uncomfortable at times with her intense and strange behaviors.

(25:40):
They love her, though, and I know she does love
them as well in her own way. Later on, I
tried to limit my contact with her as I was
developing a severe allergy to her and didn't want to
go into anaphylactic shocks way into the stepmother. I'm sure
that's being a little jokey, little choky like imagine though,
It's like, yeah, literally she started coming out and then

(26:00):
my throat would close up and my eyes would swell shot,
and it's like you're allergic to perfume. Yeah, this would
be a great excuse to not have her around.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, sorry, I'm literally allergic to you. You can't be
around man.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Sorry, your presence will literally send me to the hospital.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Uh bummer.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
However, there were some issues this spring I couldn't push away.
My mom was being made to feel uncomfortable by my
stepmother in law, who was lately always grilling her for
information while we would do combined family activities, and I'm
very protective of my mom. Also, I had lent stepmother
in law a pair of my glasses, and when I
asked for them back, because she is a hoarder, she

(26:35):
had a hard time giving my glasses back to me
and gave me the third degree. So this past June,
I texted stepmother in law regarding these issues, not a
phone call because she interrupts and cries and nothing can
be said or resolved.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
HI.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Great seeing you and Blank last night. That was neath
that Blank could have some one on one time with
both of her grandparents together. I would have shared this
last night, but I didn't want to discuss in front
of Blank. Last night, while you were interrogating me about
my glasses and then about if my mom attended the
game in blank location, it made me think about how
this is an ongoing issue. I've heard you talk to

(27:11):
my mom many times and interrogate her about how long
she stays at my house and whatnot. It is obnoxious.
No more interrogating when you talk. Please, thank you, smiley face.
That was that's not going to be received. Well, that
was a declaration of war.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I'm sorry you called her obnoxious.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, she's she's like kind of had a great message
in a way.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, and then you go oxous.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's obnoxious. Don't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Girl. That's like that again. People need a less like
a class in how to text things when they're trying,
when they're trying to confront people. How do we text people?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Guys talk to gen Z. Talk to gen Z. They
know how to text. It's exhausting, but they know how
to do it.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
My stepmother in law never responded with no apology and
never spoke about it. We had a family dinner event
a couple weeks after I sent that text, and she
acted sheepish and injured, like she couldn't walk properly. I
said hello, gave her a hug like I always do.
We then had a couple more family events lumped together
all in June, and I noticed the same sheepish look, walking,

(28:14):
funny victim vibes, et cetera, so we didn't really chat.
There was an obvious wall between us, but other people
were there, so there was a buffer. She saw my
mom at these events, never apologized to her, though to date,
I haven't seen my stepmother in law since the end
of June. Fast forward to November, my husband wrote her
an email as he wants to get the ball rolling

(28:35):
for resolution since there has been no contact on her end.
He outlined deeper details about how in our twenty years
of marriage, our interactions with her have been unpleasant due
to what I've outlined already and talks of moving forward
and what that looks like. His dad updated him, saying
it was not enjoyable for her to read, and sometimes
the truth isn't enjoyable to hear.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Maybe he did a better He had a better email
than a piece.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Time have been could have been that she has written
and rewritten responses, but nothing has been sent back to
him that she's considering going to counseling. I recognize that
the ball is in her court since I haven't seen
or had any contact with her since early summer and
it's been a relief for me. I haven't missed her
and her mind games. I don't want her back in
my life. I dread her coming back as I'm unable

(29:21):
to make all of those accommodations like I used to.
It is gone. There's an edit. I'm seeing that she
is a covert narcissist, and this article sums up a
lot of what's occurred in our twenty year relationship update update.
She responded, ooh, dear blank and Blank, this long I
ever do, and I do sincerely apologize for that. What
a long, dark, difficult, and seemingly slow journey these last

(29:42):
months have been. I have never experienced anything like it,
and I'm still processing what the Lord has been showing me,
teaching me, and reminding me. If you are interested at
some point in learning what it has been like and
continues to be like, I'll share some of what he
has been doing. Mostly now, I'm excited to finally see
a light at the end of the time, Hunnel and
did not be so paralyzed. One very important reminder is

(30:03):
that our battle is not against flesh and blood, but
against the powers, principalities, and rulers of the darkness. Ephesians
six twelve. Oh girl, his main goal is to deceive
harm and destroy it.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Oh girl? What?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
But you know the Holy Spirit and it's giving me
such encouraging and hopeful images of us all standing together,
arm in arm facing the attacks.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
She's like, our problems are bought a pebble in the ocean.
That is the.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Evil of the devil.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Did you think about that?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Have you thought about that? Have you thought it all
for one second about how evil the devil is? With
God's help, we will do mighty things, sir, he will
trample our foes Psalms sixty twelve. Several nights after that
was the dream of all seven of us playing games together.
Then last night it was the dream of giving you
a heartfelt apology in person. I'm trusting this is a
message from the Holy Sparrah.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Call this woman Joseph and the technicolored dream coat because
she's having visions.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Thank you for letting me slash us know what's going
on for you Regarding various frustrations. I want you to
know I am very sorry for any part I've had
in the frustrations and hurt you have felt, including missing
or not recognizing clues recent or past. You are right
it was not my intention that frustration, anger, or hurt
would result, just as the goal here was not to hurt.
Quote from email. I would love to say that it

(31:21):
won't happen again, but I can't promise that. No one can.
What I can promise is a humble apology, the desire
for your forgiveness and reconciliation and to move forward together
in Christ's love. Okay, B would like to get together
with you to talk in person, as text and email
are really not great for communicating heart issues with love
and new understanding. Stepmother in law ps. My counselor suggested

(31:43):
some guidance could be useful and offered to meet with
the four of us if you're interested. On okay, I
kind of felt the more that that went on, the
more bad I felt using the sort of mocking affectation. Yeah,
it did get a lot better there, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
It was a lot of Bible versus, but it felt
like just a really religious person, which is a different
type of annoyance than like annoyed that she's not apologizing
like she was apologizing, she was just also being like
super religiously.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
But we have another update. Let's get into it first.
I will preface with thank you so much for the
previous responses. It's been very helpful for me to read
through and get feedback from outside views. This has been
a support to talk with others because it felt like
my husband and I were walking through this alone all
these years. My husband wrote a response to my stepmother
in law where he detailed how we felt it's best

(32:31):
to continue communication through email to know interruptions where confusions
can occur. He talked about how it's fair for us
to know what she will be doing differently in order
to respect reasonable boundaries before we meet. He encouraged her
by saying it's good she's getting counseling. He mentioned that
it appears, based on what she said in the previous email,
that she didn't fully understand what we were expressing. He

(32:53):
told her to feel free to ask him questions for clarity.
He concluded with let's continue to keep the dialogue going.
He sent this message off a couple days before Christmas.
He had dropped off their Christmas gifts from both of
us to his father. We both recognized we weren't going
to see them at this time since we were working
through things, and this is the response we received yesterday. Oh, boy,

(33:13):
I bet the Bible verses are gonna be a lot
meaner today.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Oh yeah, they're about to get like she's about to
triple these Bible verses.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
She's gonna I bet you she's maybe not even the Bible.
She's gonna like drop lines from like the Grinch.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
I think what she's gonna do is she's gonna send
one of those blackout poems and she's just gonna take
a picture of like the pages of the Bible and
just like write her poem, write her letter by blacking
out the other words.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Oh yeah, okay, now I see you. At first I
was not so like aware.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Let there be communications right where.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
It's like, yeah, she's yes, dear Opie's husband and no Pep.
Thanks for your response, Christmas wishes and gifts too, Thanks
also for your patients. We have been and continue to
be prayerfully considering the text and your emails. I bet
we very much much desire and look forward to having
a harmonious relationship just as you do. We continue to

(34:05):
seek God's counsel in his Word and the Holy Spirit,
along with a wonderful Christian counselor, especially to help me
regarding the roots of the deep despair triggered from receiving
the text oh no from your email's op's husband and
from a lot of thinking back. I am understanding that
you OP feel hurt or frustrated when I ask too

(34:26):
many questions, such as with the glasses to you, it
seems as if I'm interrogating you. I'm sorry you were upset,
and I will do my best not to ask too
many questions. If in the future there are times you
feel I am asking too many questions or I have
a critical tone, would you please help me by letting
me know at the time in a way I would recognize.
It seems I have missed indications in the past, So

(34:47):
perhaps an agreed upon signal could work. Maybe a light
touch for putting your hand over your heart of something else.
This will help me recognize the moment and make a
correction when I need to step back, say something differently,
but perhaps not at all face. Regarding the time after
the soccer game, we recognized that we overstepped. I was
really looking forward to seeing the dog and playing with

(35:09):
him and your grand baby. I asked to come see
him and your husband, and you said it wasn't a
good idea. I pushed and your dad was sure it
would be fine since we would just be outside for
a short bit and then leave. We did not respect
your request and we are very sorry for that. We
do want to respect boundaries. We realize that you have
other situations that are troublesome and that you may want

(35:31):
to discuss. Would it be an option for the four
of us to meet somewhere for coffee and tea so
that we could talk together and more importantly, pray together.
We love you both very much and want to be
a blessing to you. We are praying for you and
for us in all of this with much love. Stepmother
in law and father in law.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
See that was doing so super well and then they
were like, let's pray together.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean like I feel like that's not necessarily a
bad thing, Like, no, it is, And it's more like
a boundary. It's not like yeah, it's like it's not
like we need to pray together. It's like, would you
be comfortable in Brandon because it's like, you know, people
have different believes more but.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Importantly than us talking about our issues being to pray together.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
But you know, and in another way, it's like that's
kind of like you can, you can make the judgment call,
and like, all right, that's something that's you know, if
that's like a hard line for you that you like
cannot do, that's you know, then that's that's your decision.
But like if it's not like a hard line in
the sand that you cannot cross over, it's like maybe
doing like a prayer session with them could like really
improve like the quality of life of that dynamic and

(36:32):
that relationship. Name especially if you're going to be married
to this guy, you have grant, you have kids, like
they're gonna be around.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I think the problem is though sometimes that that when
you do have very different like we don't actually I
don't know if we know too much about their beliefs,
oh peace beliefs.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
And again, yeah, if it is a hard line in
the sand for you, that's fine. I'm just saying if
it's not, I would consider it because it could make
things way smoother if if you're open to it. So
there is an edit here. When I read that email
right off the bat, I was concerned with a few
red flags when she said to you, it seems as
if I am interrogating you. Yes, actually you are interrogating me.

(37:08):
Don't get all gaslightly on me. And when she said
I'm sorry you were upset, she is again refusing to
acknowledge that her actions caused me to be upset. When
she talked about me doing a code signal, I'm currently
raising my kids. I don't have the desire or energy
to parent an adult. Been there, done that with my
own parents. She needs to do the work and figure

(37:29):
it out. It's not my responsibility. She needs to take
ownership over this. I agree with that, but also in
a much more practical sense. You have just been given
a shut up button.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, so it's like it's true.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Take the shut up button for what it is. Yeah,
you just go and she stops stops talking. When she
said we want to respect your boundaries, then in the
next sentence, disrespects our boundary by pushing that we meet
even though we have clearly stated in the past that
we don't want to end. Why since I've known her,
she's always pushed and push to get her own way.

(38:01):
It was annoying how she threw her husband under the bus.
My husband said it was her who crossed the line,
not his dad. Regarding coming over. Yes, my husband and
I are both followers. Of Jesus. However, I am struggling
with her hiding behind what feels like scripture. It's something
that I've noticed and has challenged me over the years
in my interactions with her. I feel discouraged because I

(38:22):
just don't have the energy anymore for this. I do
want this to work out, and I hope it does,
but I don't know how. At this point, I don't
know how to convey this in my own words. My
biggest challenge with her is that she knows deep down
what she's doing. She is very, very smart, cutting and manipulative.
She tries to be one step ahead of us. She
takes up space and is invasive. When we got married,

(38:44):
she took over our wedding day and that has set
the tone for our whole relationship. And by the way,
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four hour cycles. Yeah, which is wild.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
It seems like they both have the same religion, but
she is trying to play this weird moral high ground
of right, I'm the better Christian. That's what it feels like.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Right, It's like just maybe not what.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
She's you know, doing or intending to do, but it
is what it's coming across.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I'm sure she's intending to do it. She's trying to
probably keep it. She's probably thinking it's more low key
than it actually is. But it definitely feels like she's
weaponizing that.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
It's oh, especially want to make God man like, we need.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
To right, we need to be holy. Let's finish this story.
Over the years, I thought I was being overly sensitive
about these incidents that would come up, but as time
went on, I recognized the patterns and then tried to
brace myself for it. Now it gets under my skin,
actually makes my skin crawl, because when you have been
scrutinized and raked over by a brilliant and self serving

(39:58):
brain for over twenty it makes one feel the biggest
kind of ick. I feel violated. Thanks again for the feedback.
I appreciate all the insight. So that actually that is
the end, the end of that story. Interesting, I do.
I like that we're keeping for a boundary there where
it's like, okay, so we're doing the email thing. She
keeps being like, let's meet up for coffee, and you, guys,

(40:19):
you just need to be like, hey, we've still said
no to the coffee. And also, I didn't hear you
list a single actionable thing that is going to change
our dynamic or our behavior here.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, and you just kind of keep restating that boundary.
I hope eventually she figures it out.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
And then eventually she'll start sending you Bible verses that
are like, and the seventh son of the seventh son
was cast down into the fire of the pit, and
it's like yeah, and then then you'll go, oh, she's
not she's mad. She's mad. She's mad.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Man, she's not gonna change.

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My cousin accused me of interfew with her life, so
I skipped her wedding.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
If I can't interfere with your life, I won't interfere
with your wife.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
For context, I'm Indian and all my extended family on
my mother's side are very close. Names have been changed.
My cousin, Sheila is getting married in a few weeks
and I've decided not to attend. Sheila is my third cousin,
my mother's cousin's daughter. By the way, this comes from
user the Panda loves to Sleep and if you want

(41:31):
to submit your own stories, go to the r slash
Okay storytime suburt So. We lived in the same city
growing up and had a sometimes close, sometimes distant relationship.
We've never had a falling out such as this, no
major altercations, but a lot of her behavior as we
grew up bothered me. For example, both of us moved

(41:51):
to the same city, Delhi, for our jobs after completing graduation.
She's five years older than me. I was kind of
excited to have family in the city I was moving
to and asked her if we could live together. She
said her father said no, and that he had asked
her to stay with her friend. So I let it
go and got an apartment on my own. Frankly, I

(42:13):
don't hold a grudge over it, since everyone has their
own space requirements and maybe living with a family member
was just not her a thing. A few years later,
her engagement was announced. In India, engagement ceremonies are also
full blown family events, not just a moment between the couple.
I was on leave from work at the time and
happened to be in our hometown where the ceremony was

(42:36):
to take place. I went to her house and participated
in all the preparations, wrapping gifts, applying Hannah on all
my auntie's palms, even creating an engagement ring tray from
scratch and decorating it. I was very excited, as she's
the only older sister figure I have per se. On
the day of the engagement, I stayed by her side,

(42:56):
fixing her dress, her hair, etc. It was a pre ceremony. Afterwards,
she posted pictures on Instagram, and when I checked the post,
she had not posted a single picture with me, No
tagged photos, not one.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
She hates you a crime.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I was being a little cheeky, but like truly, I'd
be like, are we good.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, It's like if I didn't post any photos of
Dakota on the Columbia trip.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
So I'll admit I felt a little bad she had
pictures with her friends and other cousins but not me.
I still didn't say anything because I felt I was
just being petty. It was just a post after all
a few months later. Unfortunately, the engagement broke off because
he cheated, and we were all very disheartened. She had
actually left her job in Deli to prepare for this wedding.

(43:41):
Once the dust settled, a few months later, she took
up another job and came back. This time she contacted
me and asked if she could stay with me. I
joyously agreed, but I had an apartment with only one
bedroom and it was quite small, so we decided to
look for another apartment that would be more comfortable for
two people. This was in February twenty twenty three, and

(44:03):
it took us about three weeks to hunt for a
new place. But we didn't like anything and we couldn't
decide on one. I even took a few days off
work to go apartment hunting with her, and during this
time we were sharing my small space, so we became
close again. We shared secrets and had late night conversations.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
It was fun, good time talk my boys.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Unfortunately, around the same time, my grandmother fell really sick
and I had to visit her in my hometown. I
left the keys to my apartment with Shila and went home.
My grandmother passed away, so I was gone longer than planned.
When I came back, Shila told me she had put
down a deposit on an apartment. It was a one

(44:46):
bedroom set and she had already moved into it by
the time I returned.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Whoa, I'm sorry. Wait, Like you guys had planned to
live together, you were looking at places to live together,
and then you go, oh and take care of your
ailing grandmother and then she's like, already moved into a
new place.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Timeline really is important here, and clearness of communication is
important here.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
That's a weird move.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I think no one would be wrong here if the
friend is like, hey, like I can't wait for this timeline,
like I'm gonna have to find something else, or if
she had said that yeah, yeah, but it's like, we
have to communicate things clearly. Can't just leave people in lurch,
hang them out to dry. We have a friend that
had that done to them, mean keon, and they're thriving
right now, So Pete, you're gonna be thriving. I felt

(45:32):
like my time was wasted and even found some things
missing from my apartment, like a beautiful moon lamp. Again,
no confrontation, what do you mean, I'd be like, hey,
did you take my moonlamp. She's like, we were going
to steal.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Limmon, that's really weird and you should confront her about that.
I'm sorry she left. That feels especially weird for you
to come back. She's gone, some of your furniture is gone.
And then she's like, yeah, I moved out.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
It was all a play for the moon lamp.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
She heo, king stole from.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
You got to call that out immediately. Cut to a
year later, she fell in love with a guy and
posted a lot of pictures with him on Instagram. I
saw those and asked her about little details, as I
was happy she had moved on from her heartbreak. She
told me he was a guy from her office and
that's where they met and felt for each other. I
was happy. For a few months later, her mother announced

(46:23):
to the whole family that she was getting married again,
now to this guy. Mind you, it is a love marriage,
which is a very sensitive subject in our family.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
As opposed to like an arranged marriage. That's about my understanding.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I think I agree. Kudos to her for actually being
able to convince her parents. When I found out about
the wedding from my mother, in my excitement, I let
it slip that I had seen his pictures. My mom
said that another cousin, Mayle, had also seen the pictures
and mentioned them before the news of the wedding had
even broken out. My mom asked to see them too,
and since the wedding was already happening and others had

(46:58):
spoken about seeing the picictures on her Instagram feed, I
didn't think it needed to be a secret anymore. A
few days later, she sent me a very aggressive text
asking if I had shown his pictures to anyone.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Oh, come on, I'm sorry if you post pictures of
yourself on your Instagram secret husband, unless you're being followed
only by like your three closest friends, and you say,
don't share this with anyone, Like, if you're posting on Instagram,
it's public.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
He's a vampire. Have you been showing people pictures of
an empty void with no one there, saying that.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
It's my husband you've given away you know?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Okay, good, because that would be ridiculous. I'm not marrying
a vampire office husband.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I'm the only one in those pictures. Nothing to see here.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
She also said, don't you dare lie? I know the truth.
I confessed and said yeah. After I got the news
of the wedding. I showed them to my mom. She
got mad at me, saying it was private.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Then why did you put it on Instagram? You dummy.
If you wanted it pride, then you should have texted
those pictures and said keep these private.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I apologize to her, saying that I didn't mean any
harm by it. She outright said that she didn't want
anyone interfering in her life. The use of that word
was hurtful. I said I wasn't interfering in any way
and genuinely didn't see any harm in showing a few
pictures of the groom to be, which she herself had
posted on Instagram to my mother. She said it got

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her into trouble and blamed me for it.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
How is that Ope's fault.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Your husband's existence is getting you into trouble. It's beyond
Op's realm of expertise.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
You got in trouble for potentially, it seems posting something
on a public form. Ohp, you didn't make that decision.
People were going to find out regardless of AP was
the messenger or not.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I would get it if it was more like you're
exposing the location of my secret wedding. But that's not
literally not what's happening anyway. Back to it, I'll admit
I got mad, thinking that if she wanted so much privacy,
she shouldn't have posted the pictures in the first place.
All the cousins had seen the pictures, some had even
met the guy, yet out of all of them, I

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was the one being called out.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
She just doesn't like you.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I think maybe she might have beef with you. Maybe
her new vampire husband made some comments about what's your
cousin's good.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Type, and she's trying to save you, trying to save
you from her vampire husband, keep you away.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I don't see the harm in showing pictures of the
groom to be, which she herself had posted already to someone.
I don't know what or how much trouble she got into.
She never told me. I still feel she could have
been less rude about it, or tried to talk afterward
if she reacted in the heat of the moment. I
admit it wasn't up to me to show the pictures
to everyone, and in my defense, I shared them only

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with my mom. I asked her too, and she swears
she never said a word to anybody yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
I mean like we already know that other people, other
cousins were talking about it and saw those pictures, so
you know it probably was shared with the cousin's parents
by someone, and op just got in trouble.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
For it, being mad at op instead of being the
mad at the people who are mad at her.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I think that she's just skip going, Opie, be mad.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
At the people who are mad that your husband exists
and cares about you. I don't know what word got
out or from where, since my mother swears she never
said anything, I'm not going to doubt her. I genuinely
apologized to Sheila when she confronted me, yet she has
given me radio silence in return. So I've decided not
to attend their wedding. If she thinks I'm interfering in

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her life, then I shouldn't be a part of her
life event either. Neither of us had tried to contact
the other since in my head, I've gone no contact
with her, But since our families are very close, my
aunties and other cousins are saying I should come to
the wedding and not hold a grudge. But I feel
like I'm done. I don't want to keep a relationship

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with her, and I've put my foot down about not
attending the wedding. Would I be the A hole? And,
by the way, you certainly couldn't ever possibly be the
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find the treasure Chest and it's fock full of stories.
So we do have a little more story left before
we get into it. Would they be the A hole
for not going?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
No, I don't think so. It seems like you have
already apologized, You've already made those attempts to reconcile, and
she's just ignoring you. It seems like you would not
be welcome at this wedding. She's just blaming you for
everything that's not your fault at all. I don't know
why she's reacting this way to you, but she's definitely
scapegoating you.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I think it's a bit of everyone's overreacting situation, because
it's like Opie's friend is probably just like stressed out
because it's like a non arranged thing, who knows where
she's actually getting it from, And it's like, depending on
how long or how valuable the friendship is to you,
that's something that you could be like how much you
value your relationship your third cousin here? And if it's

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like I don't really care, sure, like go no contact,
don't go. But it's like, by not going, you're probably
now opening up another can of worms that's gonna lead
to more drama in your life. In our culture, it
is not common to send out invitations to parents and
children separately. If there's a wedding in the family, it's
implied that everyone will go, especially if it's close family.

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And since my mother and her mother are very close,
there's no need for a formal invitation for my family
to attend. Having said that, not once did she even
mention that I should attend. She just lashed out on
me and went radio silence. Since then, I'm not expecting
a formal invitation, but there was literally no word from
her end that would indicate that she wants me there.

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I agree there's active beef here, but big family get
together event, Indian engagement, wedding, whatever. Just go. Save yourself
the months, potentially years of this thing continuing on and
being a headache in your ear.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I think you have to find out what will be
more of a headache for you and choose that option.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Let's finish this story so we have some comments. Comment
number one short answer, it's an invitation, not a summons.
You don't have to attend, Opie said, that's exactly what
I keep telling myself. The problem is I didn't make
up any work related excuse to not go that would
have been acceptable. I just said I won't go. I
don't go where I'm not heartily invited, and that led

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to people saying that I'm being petty. Maybe I should
have just made an excuse. Comment too says I'm just
guessing here, but maybe your cousin had made her Instagram
private from her parents because she wasn't sure how they
would react to a love match. Probably one of your
other cousins let it slip to her parents and she
decided to dump it on you. Op He does say,
maybe if she talked about it, like actually had a conversation,

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we could get to the bottom of it. But she
just lashed out and that was that, and that is
the end of that story. That is true. It would
have been a private.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Story regardless, It's not oh, peace fault.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Guess what your parents are going to figure out who
you're marrying when you get married at the wedding.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
But that's the end of that story.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Hey, it's John yo Og host here. We're gonna get
back to the stories. But here's a quick three minute
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Speaker 3 (54:10):
My grandmother is a nightmare. I don't want her in
my children's life.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, Nikebear. Hey, everybody, this is
the trigger warning at the top of the video. It
might look a little weird because this is just a
heavy story. The grandmother in this story goes to a
lot of medical problems.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
She is sit tight. Friends, This is a long story
that actually ended up stretching out over forty three years.
We didn't learn most of it until last year. My
twenty six mom forty eight, was born in South Georgia.
Her mom and dad divorced when she was little, and
her mom, Charlotte, remarried to my papa, who adopted my

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mom when she was five. I think, by the way,
this comes from chronic zebe and if you want to
submit your own stories, go to our slash Okay story
time Severed It so my brother and I never even
knew our papa wasn't her biological father until I was
maybe fourteen, and it was eleven. We only found out
because her biological grandmother found her on Facebook and my
mom had a breakdown because she didn't know what to do.

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Charlotte told her all her life that her biological father
was this mean, heavy drinker who mistreated them both and
that she had to fight to leave and save themselves
from him. Spoiler alert, that's not what happened.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
She just was like, my character arc needs to be juicier.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Charlotte came from a really messed up family and had
thirteen brothers and sisters. When they were little, there was
an accident and her three year old brother tragically lost
his life. It was just an awful thing they all
saw and lived through. Her mom was a victim of
really bad DV and when Charlotte was thirteen, her dad
took his own life in front of all of them.
Oh my god, I think she was sixteen or seventeen

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when she had my mom. My mom's biological father was
in the military. She actually left when he was stationed
somewhere and he came home to an empty unfurnished house
with only a kitchen table and divorce papers on the
table already signed. Charlotte had a lot of health problems.
She got toxic shocks and drum when my mom was
in high school and my aunt was about to start
middle school. Sorry, I forgot to mention Charlotte and my

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papa had my aunt when my mom was seven. She
was actually supposed to be a boy, so the newspaper
that announced her birth had her picture with the boy name,
which had to be converted to the girl version. Charlotte
spent a lot of time in the hospital and almost
passed away, but eventually pulled through. However, my mom was
responsible for literally everything at home. Aside from help with

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bills and groceries from Papap's paychecks, she was using her
own paychecks to cover the rest. There was a lawsuit
against the hospital because they left a sponge inside Charlotte
during the surgery and she needed to clean out the infection.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
They left the sponge in there after the surgery to
clean the infection. Oh no, she already had the infection.
They went in, cleaned it up, left the sponge inside.
That is pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
There's a Good Doctor episode about someone leaving a towel
inside someone after surgery. I don't understand how you forget
that in there.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Sometimes she puts so much stuff in there, you just
lose trek.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
They had to go back and do another cleanout surgery
because she went septic due to that sponge. She retired
from work and they lived off that settlement money, her disability,
her retirement, and papa's income After that. Growing up, my
brother and I loved being at their house and spending
time with them. Things stayed good between all of us
until my mom got that message from her paternal grandmother.

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When she brought it up to Charlotte, we saw the
reaction she had and the nasty accusations she made about
my mom's biological father. That's when we saw the side
of her that my mom talked about growing up with.
Charlotte was really good and emotionally manipulating the people around her.
She always had to have the last word in any argument.
She once hit my mom on the head with the
house phone when they were fighting and my mom was

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trying to call someone to come get her. Admittedly it
was an older guy she was seeing at the time,
but she learned her own lessons. When my mom tried
to run away, they had her admitted to a psychiatric facility.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
For a month.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Charlotte had done a decent job of hiding her malicious
behavior from my brother and Amy. However, my mind a
lot faster than my brothers, so I understood more of
what was going on, especially when she and my Pappa
would argue and bicker. She was the worst kind of
petty eloel, but I took her actions as lessons. I
learned to be equally as petty, but in a just
way and only when warranted. The year after I graduated

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high school, Charlotte got really sick. She started having absent seizures,
went unresponsive, and had to be taken to the emergency
room by ambulance. She stayed in the ICU for ninety
something days before being transferred to her rehabilitation center inside
a hospital in our state rather than the next state
over where she had been. My aunt had a miracle
baby with her now ex husband when I had just

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finished fifth grade. I knew pretty quickly that she was
the new favorite of the family, but she was also
my favorite too, and I helped take care of her
from the day she was born to this very day.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I like that. I knew right away she was the
favorite child because she was my favorite.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Child, because I loved her too, and she's the best.
When Charlotte came out of her coma, she ended up
having staff nob dang, this girl cannot catch her break,
which was worsened by COPD and e fiesma. They put
her in a medically induced coma to give her lungs
and body a chance to heal. When she saw me
and my brother, she scoffed and asked why her favorite
wasn't there that hurt.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
My mom was.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Very insistent that it wasn't really her talking, that her
brain wasn't like it was before. But looking back on it,
I'm pretty sure she just forgot how to keep her
true form concealed. She eventually got to come home and
was on permanent oxygen because her lungs were scarred and
she couldn't sustain an two percent of ninety or above
without it. She pretty much just started living on the

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couch in the living room, buying jewelry and clothes off
TV shopping networks. She'd give backhanded compliments when someone said
or did anything, then get mad at us when we
didn't want to come up and see her because she
would hurt our feelings. Every single time she started picking
more fights with my Papa. They'd get into screaming matches,
and she'd call my mom or my aunt to pitch

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them this poor pitiful me story about how my papa
was being me to her. It just escalated until it
all blew up. Last year, Charlotte's sister had moved her
camper into their backyard until she found a lot she
liked with an open spot to park it. She had
been a widow for a good six or seven years,
so it was just her. Charlotte had to go back

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to the hospital periodically for random things. Most of the
visits happened after big fights she'd picked with my Papa.
A little while after her sister came to stay with them.
Charlotte ended up having to stay in the hospital for
almost a month. When she came back home, she accused
my Papa of having an affair with her sister because
her sister had been hanging out in the house until
after dinner before going back to her camper. However, this

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was what she did before Charlotte went to the hospital,
so it wasn't unusual behavior, especially when they'd been in
laws for almost four decades and she hadn't even been
on a single date with any other man since her
husband passed and still hasn't to this day. Papa took
the bait and they started arguing. She began screaming insults
at him from the couch, and he went to get
close to her face to tell her to knock it off.

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When he went to prop himself up so he wouldn't
fall over, his knee hit her hip and she called
the cops, saying he full force need her and she
needed help because she feared for her life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Well, she sounds like a real gem, but like accident
me right, Yeah, it seems.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Like my aunt lives next door, so she was there
before the cops arrived. Pop Up tried to explain what
happened and that he hadn't even been in the same
room as her since the whole thing happened, but they
took him to jail anyway on DV charges. The next
day he was released, given a court date and of
restraining order it was filed for both of them. Oh
my goodness. His brother lives on the same road, so
he went to stay with them until he was allowed

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to stay at the camper on the lake lot that
he and Charlotte had. However, Charlotte would call the cops
and tell them pop Up was driving up and down
the road stalking her when he was literally inside his
brother's house.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Man. So this sounds like back of the day where
you couldn't confirm all of this behavior. Yeah, and they're
just like, Okay, forty three years worth of the crap.
It's like, thank God for CCTV right in pocket phones.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Then Charlotte decided she needed to go to the yard
to be seen for the bruise on her hip. By
the way, she was on blood thinners, which makes you
bruise easily. My mom was the one to help her
on her end of the divorce proceedings, and my aunt
was the one to help Papa with his side of things.
But nobody was taking signs. Everyone was still there for
both of them, just at separate times and places. My

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mom sat there while Charlotte told literally every single person
she spoke to that she was in the hospital because
her husband beat her. He was going through so much
because of that. Literally everybody she saw, she told them
that I'd never been physically violent towards her, But after
all those years of manipulation and narcissism, I wouldn't blame
him if you thought about it, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yikes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
However, everyone who has ever known him and been around
him knows he has never hurt her on purpose and
never would. My mom even tried to sit down and
talk to Charlotte, trying to help her see that she
wasn't being truthful about what happened. She begged her to
just drop the charges against Papa. Charlotte looked her in
the eye and said she wanted to teach Papa lesson.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, the lesson was you should have never married me,
That's the lesson.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
After that, she started picking fights with my mom even more.
She stopped using oxygen and claimed that God had healed
her lungs and that was such a blessing. Everything was
such a blessing until you pissed her off. She started
smoking again and stopped eating anything other than fruit because
she wanted to lose weight. She was maybe one hundred
and fifty pounds, but wanted to be down to ninety

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five pounds because that was what she weighed when she
and Papa got married. The first divorce meeting they had
between themselves when their lawyers happened the day after. She
had given me things for the little place my partner
and I got. She had also written a check for
my daughter's school tuition for the next school year. That
same day, she was telling me and my mom that
she was setting things up for when Papa came home
the next day. Aren't they getting divorced?

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Pick a lane Grammy?

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Also, she had been calling and trying to see him constantly.
After she got back from a second hospital's stay. She
had odeed on her pain meds, and they also found
out she indulged in my papa's stash of spicy leaves.
Right as we were about to leave. My mom finally snapped.
She called Charlotte out for drinking too much to Lulu lemonade.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Holy crap, So Grandma's getting freakin' absolutely obliterated.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
It sounds like they started cussing at each other, and
Charlotte told her to get out and never come back.
Remember when I said my mom was helping her with everything.
That included helping her start new bank accounts and only
her name so she would have access to her funds
while Papa's would be separate in his own new account.
The next day, after their big exchange of words, Charlotte
was handed the harsh reality that Papa was not coming

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back and the divorce was standing firm. Yeah, the divorce
that you initiated.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Now, this is really becoming substance behavior like this is
someone who is fully checked out of reality right now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Clearly she snapped on everyone. She accused my mom of
being a spy for Papa. She told my aunt she
wanted nothing to do with her and that she only
had her in the first place for Papa, but she
never wanted her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Auntie caught astray, she said, by the way, I hate
your dad. I wish you didn't exist. Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Then the day after that, she called the cops on
my mom, accusing her of stealing five hundred and two
dollars from her from an account that wasn't even open yet.
He's like, there's no money on my account, and the
bank's like, I remember, there isn't an account.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
She called the bank being like, where's my money? Like
the account's still being processed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
A couple of days later, she called the cops of
my aunt, saying she and my mom stole our pain meds. Yeah,
they did take them, but they took them because she
was ode. The er doctors had taken her off the
patch she was using, and that's what they took to
keep her safe. They were old patches with higher doses
than she was supposed to be taking. It took every
one of them straight to her doctor that same day
and explain the situation. Luckily, no charges were filed. Then

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we found out that Charlotte had to leave Papa's house
because it was his house. It was willed him by
his parents before they passed. When I tell you, this
witch took everything. She left the fridge, the oven, a chair,
maybe five dishes, and everything from my aunt's birth in infancy. Oh,
she also took my mom's childhood books. That's also another
stray caught by the aunt. She left all of the

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aunt stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Ouch. It's like she's a cartoonish level of like bad,
Like I'm trying to think of like a cartoon, like
a pop culture reference. This gives off the vibes of
like the hotel workers from the Wonka movie, which I
hate that I just outed that I've seen the Wonka
movie with Timothy Alime. But She's just a cartoon villain.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Pop on one baby photo of himself and one photo
of his parents, and she took them both.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Why because she's twisting her villainous mustache.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Right now, there was a hallway completely covered in picture
frames of everyone through various stages of their lives. My
children's pictures, they're toys, literally everything. I stopped answering her
calls and started avoiding her. She left me a voicemail
holding my daughter's tuition and the household item she gave
me over my head, saying I should be more grateful,
and then I needed to talk to her, guilt tripping

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the heck out of me. She traumatized her so called
favorite grandchild by going next door to where she and
my aunt live. She banged on all the windows and
doors trying to be let in, screaming like a banshee.
My cousin was literally curled up on the floor in
the fetal position, sobbing. She was so scared, you want
to hurt everyone I hold dear to my heart and
then demand we just talked to you and grow up.
Absolutely not. Then my mom decided she wanted to look

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and see if she could find any of her paternal
family members. She wanted to reach out to them and
try to hear about what happened in South Georgia. Boy
did be fine answers. It turns out my mom had
an aunt on his side with about the same age
gap as my mom and her sister. Charlotte had talked
to her about my Mom, but the aunt said she
loved that little girl like she was her own. My
mom found her first out of that side of her family.

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She told my mom that Charlotte was mean as a
snake door and would pull her air or whenever she
did something Charlotte didn't like. That made me think back,
because she actually used to do that to me when
I was little, and I had just blocked it out.
My mom's biological father remarried a few years later. He
and his wife have been together ever since. Her aunt
ended up sending my mom a link to his wife's
profile and she reached out to her. The reason Charlotte

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fled South Georgia the way she did wasn't to save
her and my mom. She had a DFCS case open
against her because she had left my mom home alone
to go sneak around with the neighbor down the road.
Someone heard her crying and called the cop.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I know the CS dance for child Services, but what
is DF But oh my god, this woman neglected her
kids to the point of being formally reported to an agency.
Color me shocked.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Someone heard her crying and called the cops. Her biological
father had to pick my mom up from the police station.
He went back to base, and the next time he
came home, they were gone with just about everything else.
My mom told the stories about how she remembered when
Charlotte and Papa started dating, they take her with them
to get ice cream, then drop her off at Charlotte's
mom's before going on the real date. At least she

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learned to find childcare. We got to meet my mom's
paternal family at Thanksgiving last year, and it was the
first family function on my mom's side where we didn't
feel stressed out or have our feelings SERTs. They're such
kind and good people, and it broke my heart that
we missed out on so much because of Charlotte. He
missed forty three years of my mom's life. That is devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, it is. There was a lot of comments being like,
could this be like dementia, like something she needs to
get tested. It's like, Nope, She's been terrible for her
whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
And there wasn't anything he could have done about it
because she made sure to bury his name in the mud.
He missed seeing his grandkids grow up. He missed every
single big moment in my mom's life, and it hurt
him so deeply you could see it on his face.
For Christmas, we gave them a big picture collage of
different photos of all of us through the years.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Cry Cry.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
My mom was able to get him a copy of
her wedding pictures and gave them one, and it was
like they just won the lottery. This is so sad.
She talks to them every single day now and they've
built a great relationship. It's something that should have happened
a long time ago. But it makes my heart smile
knowing that her internal wounds are healing from the emotional
scars left by her own mother. The only one of

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us that's kept any contact with Charlotte is my aunt,
and that was only because Charlotte was back in the
hospital with severe internal bleeding. She was dropped to eighty
three pounds was basically only consuming SIGs and diet pills
and ended up with a hole in her intestines. My
aunt told her she wanted to go to therapy together
and work on repairing the relationship. Charlotte scoffed and said

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she had nothing to heal or be sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
For except for the intestine. Gotta heal that. Although a
hole in your intestine a great way to lose weight,
it's terrible. Do not put holes in your intestines, folks,
do not do that. I was being facetious.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
My aunt gave up, left her phone number and told
her to only call her in an emergency. Charlotte lived
on her sister's couch for a while, yes the same
one she accused my papa of having an affair with.
One day, she pooped everywhere, clogged the toilet, and then
demanded her sister go and get a plunger and fix it.
Her sister laughed, said she had plans, and left. Charlotte
was gone by the time she got back. She had

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walked down the street and started staying on a stranger's
house until she found an apartment after realizing the divorce
was actually happening.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Just gonna completely skip over what we just read. Did
she find a stranger that's what you're hung up on.
She just went to a stranger's house and started living there. Yeah,
she probably just walked down. She know someone in your neighborhood.
It's the old lady who lives in your neighborhood. And
she's like, I need to sleep on the couch. Are
you just gonna be like, no, old lady, leave my house.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I would be like, let's find you something else, Let's
call people. I'm not letting you live in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
We all know what I'm caught up on right now.
How do you simultaneously poop everywhere and then also clog
the toilet? How do you do both of those things
at the same time. I don't know how I do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Of course, before that, she spread a rumor that my
papa was seeing a widow in town because she saw
his truck in her driveway. Except it wasn't his truck,
it was her daughter's. She mailed us each a letter,
but they were basically copy pasted, and we knew they
were insincere. She guilt tripped my papa into telling us
how sad and lonely she is and that we should
go see her. I tried to be respectful as I declined.

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I don't know if it's everything I've seen her put
us through or if I'm just a butt, but I'm
not gotta feel sorry for someone who literally made the
bed they're laying in. She even wrote in the letter
she sent to my kids that she wanted them to
spend the night with her. That almost made me barf,
because I absolutely will not have my babies around people
who can't be trusted. I mean, I would not leave
a child with her. When she literally took your mom

(01:12:18):
away from her father for like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Years, She's gonna yank on those kids.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
They stopped asking about her, and we don't bring her
up unless we have to. And I want to bring
up that. You guys can listen to full episodes with
stories just like this. Just go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts,
or iHeartRadio and search a book a story time. But
there is a little bit left to this story. Any
final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
You are justified. I think in feeling your grandmother is
a rotten egg? You know, is it fully her fault?
Who's to say right? Who's to say anything? Are we
the way that we are because we have chosen to
be this way? Or are we a collection of experiences
and subconscious desires that are all tied up in like
a human body. I don't know. Sucks and there is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
A little bit left. It sucks, but we ended up
finding better relationships with family that actually treat us like
family instead of ponds in a game. I mean, you
got all of your paternal grandfather's side, so you know
that's not nothing. They just won our time and company,
and that's so much more valuable than anything she took
with her. I just hate that we've all had to
go through this experience together, but I'm very thankful that

(01:13:21):
we all stood together and we're all better off for it.
Thank you for reading and going on this crazy train
wreck of a journey. And that is the end of
that story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
And that's that sometimes you're just a rotten egg for
your whole life. And that's a real sad thing to
really think about, yeah, because you

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Lose everyone around you.

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