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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh John, Oh, Sam, I love you so much.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I love you almost as much as the great stories
that are about to come up.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
And you know what I love equally as much is
the two minutes of Spots is coming up because they
support the show and make sure that we will have
our happily Ever after.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
My best friend gave her boyfriend permission to hook up
with me.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
So now we gotta get permission from Opie and then
everything's fine, maybe kind of.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
They always say it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission,
Not in this case. Not in this case though, first
and foremost, I am not down to read any poll shaming.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's not the point of this post.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Polyamory is a validating and relationship model when done ethically,
and I'm laying that down first and foremost. I'll also
lay it down that it's a lot more complicated. Yeah,
any advice given that has the air of but Polly
is gross.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Straight up.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm going to keep on growing past and not take
it in now.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
By the way, this comes from user throw away Love
Sucks and if you want to submit your own stories,
go to the r slash Okay story time sumbered it.
So my best friend Cindy and I have known each
other fifteen years and have been roommates for five as years.
Cindy is Polly and has two partners, one that lives
close by and one named Mark that lives in Oregon,
which is pretty far from us. I knew Mark through
mutual friends prior to him meeting Cindy, and we actually

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slammed together a couple of times back in like twenty sixteen.
He's Polly and I am monogamous, and we decided it
wouldn't work between us, but we maintained being good friends
because we get along really well. I introduced those two
in twenty seventeen, admittedly under the He's Polly Your Polly
matchmaking attempt, and they hit it off. In twenty nineteen,
Mark had to move to Oregon for work, but they

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have been making it work via long distance, and I
am happy for them. So in twenty twenty, I kind
of lost my mind. I had to break up with
a boyfriend who was in love with someone else. I
realized I hated my job. I turned thirty and fell
deeply unhappy with where my life was headed. So I
decided it was best for me to start living. I
quit my job, found a new one that made me happy,
and I started to do solow hiking adventures.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh my god, that just put anxiety in me so hard.
Solo hiking solow high adventures.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean, yeah, yeah, how to disappear.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
In the woods one oh one, go in mire alone,
mayre alone. I mentioned in a group chat that I
always wanted to camp at Crater Lake National Park in Oregon,
and Mark offered his place for me to stay at
and offered to be my hiking buddy.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
He's into hiking as well.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Cindy hates camping and hiking and nature, but was excited
for us to have fun and even help me plan
the trip. Until two weeks ago, out of nowhere, Cindy
was as cold as ice to me. Oh, we take
turns cooking, and suddenly, on her nights to cook, she
would only make one portion and leave me nothing. Hmm.
She was short in conversation, didn't want to hang out

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with me in shared areas at all, and just seemed
like she was pissed. I asked her if something was wrong,
and she straight up ignored me.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Very mature, very very mature.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I went to mutual friends who said they had no
clue that something was wrong. Then yesterday she invited me
to a video chat with her and Mark. They told
me they've discussed it and I have permission to sleep
with Mark on this trip.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well, how lovely, Yes, how grand a thank you and.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
That doesn't feel weird and uncomfortable at all. No, to
have a zoom meeting about who has permission to thank you? Yeah, hmmm, yeah, yes,
just letting you know my pearly gates are open for you.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and you may for the two.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Of you, not like she's not even involved in it.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, it's just of course that's going to be uncomfortable.
Apparently one of the boundaries in their relationship is neither
of us can do anything with either of our partner's friends.
Mark mentioned two weeks prior that he would be down
to sleep with me on this trip if I was
down for it, which led to fighting between the two.
Mark argued that he already slept with me previously, so
I shouldn't count, and Cindy was sternly on these she's

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my best friend, so no. They reached an agreement and
were excited to tell me, and I blew up at them.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, rightfully, so they're excited.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
They're treating you like a Pokemon or something. Yeah, treating
you like this, like like you don't have.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Any choice of the matter, almost not quite, but like
being very weird about it.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, I don't know. How would you react to this?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I would be so mad. I would be so mad
at the both of them. Yeah, maybe include me in
the conversation.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Dang, I'd be like, yeah, I'm turning this back into
a solo hiking adventure.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
No one's going to be sleeping with you, yeah, Mark, Yeah,
I would no longer.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Feel safe going with a friend. I'd go back to solo.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yep. Yeah, it's just so much gosh.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
So many thoughts are swirling in my head right now,
and I cannot even verbalize all the reasons why I'm mad.
It's like my best friend and her boyfriend, someone I
considered to be a good friend too, view me as
a spicy sleep.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Object in some ways. But somehow it's even worse.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Sleeping with Mark wasn't even a concept to me, as
he is squarely in the best friend's boyfriend and good
friend boxes in my mind. I logged off the chat,
told Cindy I was too angry to look at her
and have been at a friend's place for the last day.
I needed on how to convey to them when I'm
so angry, when I'm having trouble coming up with reasons
besides blind rage, I barely want to go on this

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trip anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
And there is an update, but like, wow, yeah, I
don't know. I think.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Look, sometimes really weird stuff just happens. And if these
are like good friends, it's like you're one of your
best friends and it's like another, you know, close friend,
I think it just needs to be like I don't
know what train to goofy town you guys got on,
but yeah, until y'all get off it like don't talk
to me, Like give me a week, dude, I don't
want to see you for a week because.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's just so weird and uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's very weird, and I almost feel like there could
be a right way to go about it, like if
if it was some sort of discussion in their relationship
of like opening their relationship up to friends and whatever
because it wasn't previously. Keep that to yourself until that
happens with the friends, Like don't just be like, hey,
I'm allowed to sleep whoever with Like.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
With whoever I went, They're just like, hey, we have
great news. Yeah, we got together. We decided you can
sleep with.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Mar It's like that wasn't on my radar. Yeah, Like
I'm not gonna thank you for letting me know, because
what like I'm just trying to hike Crater Lake.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Dude, I don't know. I'm not trying to get in
your Crater Lake. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah. I feel like like if they wanted to do that,
let it come by organically.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Let it just happen, yes, it, And it really sounds
like it shouldn't happen because clearly Cindy was in no
way okay with that. Oh yeah, because she was ignoring
Ope and putting all the all of her frustrations, yeah,
that she has for her boyfriend. Then we're being put
on opee because he's in Oregon exactly exactly and people
and and again, Polly's not gross, just complicated. Let's get

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the update though. I think this might be a good update.
Hopefully update. It was such a fun experience. I went
home after two or three days. I can't actually remember
how long I was gone. Now when Cindy sent me
a message saying she wanted to apologize. Apparently, Cindy reached
out to the mutual friend I was staying with, and
that friend went over every cruel thing Cindy did to
me during her two weeks of shutting me out and

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told her to get herself together. We sat down and talked,
and it was pretty illuminating what she had to say.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Cindy and I.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Have known each other for over fifteen years now. For
the majority of that time, I was the more introverted
and shy type, while she was the let's.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Drinke shots on the roof.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
With this new friend, I made.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Thirty seconds ago type, which can be fun.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
When the plague hit, we both had two very different responses.
After realizing I was deeply unhappy with all parts of
my life, I flipped everything on its head. I found
a new job and made a bunch of work friends,
and I started doing solo adventures. I felt happier than
I'd ever been, And it turns out happy Me is
very bubbly and engaging. While I couldn't go out for
obvious reasons, I started actually using discord and engaging more

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with friends and going on virtual dates. Cindy did the
opposite her job, went to work from home pretty early on,
which cut her off from most of her work friends,
and she lost an aunt she.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Was close to due to the virus.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Cindy work's customer service at an online store, so after
eight hours on the phone in front of a computer,
she doesn't want a zoom or discorder message anyone. From
the exhaustion of it all, Cindy admitted that she felt
like she was falling apart. Meanwhile, the person she grew
up with was doing better than ever. Cindy is not
one to express her feelings. She comes from an army
what is a feeling family. She apparently decided that the

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best course of action was to bury everything in her
chest and do nothing about it, which is never the
best thing to do. Then Mark asked her if he
could sleep with me, and everything started leaking out.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Cindy admitted that the rule of.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Neither of us can do anything with either of our
partner's friends is a bit more flexible than I originally thought,
and is more of a please ask if I am
cool with this before you flirt with my friend's situation. Apparently,
Cindy was cool with the concept of us sleeping together previously.
Back in twenty nineteen, I was planning a trip to
Seattle for the summer of twenty twenty. Mark offered to
join me, and we were planning on splitting a two
bedroom airbnb. It didn't happen for obvious reasons, but apparently

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Mark asked Cindy during the planning stage if he could
even broach the topic with me, and she was cool
with it. Mark, going off how she was previously cool
with it, checked in again with her before he was
planning on talking to me about it for the most
recent trip, and that's when the blow up happened. Cyndy
apologized for how she treated me the past two weeks
and admitted that she felt like she was failing at
everything in her day to day life and then felt
like she was going to lose her boyfriend to me

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if something happened between us. I honestly feel like a
crappy friend in some sense, because while I knew her
depression was flaming up again, I didn't quite realize how
deep she was in it despite living together. I did
stand my ground on the fact that while her feelings
are valid, the way she treated me wasn't and that
type of behavior cannot happen again. She agreed and even
invited me to sit in on a session with her therapist.
She was already going to cope with the feelings in

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regards to her very messy family, which I said I
would after she had more solo time to process it.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
What, No, have her have hers at therapy sessions? You
don't have to sit in on that? What are we doing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I was just thinking about like how that would go,
because I feel like I would imagine that a therapist
would charge differently if it was like a group session
rather than like a one on one.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yes, well, you don't need to go to the therapy
with your friend. She doesn't need to bring you there
to get closer. She just needs to tell her boyfriend
that she doesn't want him hanging, you know, sleeping with
her friends. Yeah, and not treat you like, I don't know,
like she's pimping you out.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, Like what right?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Maybe have these conversations to the best of your ability,
and then if there's any sort of unresolved feelings or anything,
or something you don't know how to communicate, then you
could talk about that solo in therapy. And then you
come back and I get that.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
You guys are great friends and it's cool and it's
like a lot of times, you know, get really getting
to think of it is what people need to do.
But in this case, I think it just needs to
be like just handle your stuff. I don't want to
be involved in your you know, Polly relationship anymore. Or again,
just like, keep me uninvolved with this stuff. You don't
want to be involved, keep me out of with you
and Mark, I like that both individually.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, I did end up going on the trip.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Mark apologized for blowing up my home with his question
and we had a conversation about how while he is sweet,
I really don't see any future where I sleep with him.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Again.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
He was cool with it and said he was excited
to have a good friend come up for nature adventures.
I just got home yesterday from my adventures and have
been sharing the photos with Cindy for the better part
of the day. She thinks the shots are beautiful and
her biggest concern is then I could have hurt my
lungs since it was pretty smoky out there on one
of the days I was out there due to wildfires.
So that's it, and that's the end of that story.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Folks, got a weird story. I mean, just look, there
are people who are polly and.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
It will always be more messy and more complicated than
a monogamous relationship, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, like it's almost a rule.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, there are probably exceptions to it, but it's like
this is one of those examples. I guess they communicated
pretty properly, but it sounds like Cindy and Mark need
to like really get on the same page and be.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Honest with each other.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah. I don't think Cindy wants anything. You know, Mark
needs to stop looking at people like X objects. Yeah, many, kid,
that's just like, oh, this is a new toy for
my collection. Yeah, it's like, yeah, oh you don't want that, Okay, cool,
Now you're my nature buddy. It's like what right, It's
like no, Now, are you sure I'm just your nature buddy?
Because five seconds ago you wanted to sleep with me.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, like you for separate trips you were thinking about like, oh,
what a great opportunity to sleep with me? Not fun?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right, not fun? So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, I gotta learn how to look at people differently.
If you're in a poly relationship. It seems like, you know,
including other people in that you gotta go about it
in a varied for way than these guys did.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
It's just crazy to me too, that it's like out
of every single person on the face of the planet. Yeah,
he's like, Hey, you're best friend of fifteen years. I'd
like to hook up with her. There's billions, yeah, of
other options, lots of other options.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, but anyway, that's the end of that story.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
My friend wants me to sleep on the couch, so
I left.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Uh uh, I am bedroom material good sir, oohoo.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I Females twenty nine and Josie female thirty have been
friends since high school. We live apart but still keep
in very regular contact. I was invited to stay with
her and her husband, Leo male thirty for a few
days because their town was having a huge annual festival
that we were all interested in attending. By the way,
this comes from a throwaway alexx ed. If you want
to submit your own stories, go to our slash okay
story time is Supreddit.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
They had asked me to come early this year, maybe
a month or so before. They informed me that they
invited some college friends to stay for the weekend as well.
I was excited for this because I have only met
their college friends a handful of times, and I know
they are really close. The plan was for me to
stay Thursday through Monday, and I should also preference that
when Josie and Leo bought their home, I stayed with
them for a month while I was in between jobs.
This was many years ago now, but since it had

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been dubbed my room, it is still obviously not actually mine,
but I've stayed in it every time I visited them since.
I drove four hours to their place on Thursday. When
I arrived, their college friends were there already, and I
was shocked to see that it wasn't just them. Josie
and Leo had invited their friend Shane and his fiance
and their friend Sarah and her husband. How big is
this house?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah this sounds like a manor.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I have met Shane and Sarah before, but not their partners.
I was immediately irritated because it felt like a couple's
get together already. I have a partner of nearly three
years who I live with, Oliver, who Josie and Leo
have met several times, and he was not invited on
this trip. I tried to get over the awkwardness and
exchange pleasantries until I went to go upstairs and put
my bag away, and Josie and Leo stopped me until

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told me that Shane and his fiance were staying in
that room. I was like, whoops, my bad. I should
not have assumed and asked if I was in the
other smaller guest bedroom. They said no, Sarah and her
husband were in there. They told me then that they
hoped I was okay with sleeping on the couch. Do
you have thoughts?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
No, I mean, it's just that it's normal for like
a couple, like a pair of people to get the
bedroom right. It's very standard, makes sense, and I think'st
to get real upset about that.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah. Yeah, but it is an interesting note that her
partner wasn't invited.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Oh wait, they.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Just invited op and then invited all these other pairs.
And they were like, oh no, we're just good invite you.
And then now since we're only inviting you, you get
the couch. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Way?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Do they have beef with a partner?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I don't know, I don't I don't think so, they
said they'd known them, so I was really trying not
to be too annoyed or cranky about this, But I
had just driven five hours and was under the impression
that I was getting a bedroom for the weekend, mostly
because we had this weekend planned for months and they
had never mentioned. I would not have been opposed to
a couch sleep for maybe one night, but there was
no way I was going to sleep on the couch

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for the entire weekend, especially since we'd be drinking and
partying pretty heavily.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I'm sorry, did you just say I. I don't mean
to call you out. Yeah, but you said if it's
for one night, fine, sure. If it's for two nights,
absolutely absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Come on, Yeah, I don't know. Come on, it's a couch.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, you can survive. I asked them why they didn't
tell me plans to change so I could get a
hotel sooner, and they insisted that they didn't think I'd
have a problem sleeping on the couch. Apparently, Sarah and
her husband were planning on getting a hotel but waited
too long and couldn't find an affordable one last minute.
At this point, I was really irritated both by the
partner situation and the sleeping arrangements. I called Oliver and
he was upset for me. We both looked for hotels

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in the area but could not find anything affordable for
the entire weekend. I told Oliver about the couples and
he was annoyed to not be invited since he likes
Josie and Leo a lot. Finally, after like an hour
of back and forth, Oliver asked if I wanted to
come home, and I honestly really did. I privately told
Josie and Leo that I was uncomfortable by the situation,
wished everyone a good weekend, and drove back home. Then

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I got a call Saturday morning from Josie and she
said she was really disappointed that I had acted so
rashly and that she wished that I had stayed. I
told her that I didn't understand why she didn't update
me on the sleeping situation as soon as she knew
about it, and she told me that the only reason
I was booted to the couch is because Sarah and
her husband both couldn't fit. So then I asked her
why she didn't invite Oliver if she had invited the

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other couples, and she just said sorry, they hadn't thought
about it. I told her that I was upset and
hurt by the situation, and I didn't regret leaving. I
received another message from her last night saying everyone had
left and she was really disappointed in me and that
I ruined her weekend because she was upset the entire time.
I am starting to feel bad and also fomo from
not being there. I had been really looking forward to
the festival and hanging out with everyone. But anyway, am

(16:52):
I the a hole for leaving? And we do have
an edit?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
It was a what festival? What kind of festival?

Speaker 4 (16:57):
They didn't say, Okay, well maybe they look maybe they
were just thinking that Oliver wouldn't enjoy this. Maybe it's
fair like people have partners, they don't always like the
same stuff always like true, you know, who knows?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
It probably is good to invite anyway, if you're inviting
someone's partner.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
True.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
But do we think that she's they hope for leaving?
What was like yes or no? What's her answer?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean maybe a little bit.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
It kind of you could have left differently, I think
like if you know, I think if you were just
able to put it aside for a day and enjoy
at least a day and then you can leave. Then
it makes it less like confesh, because now it's like
a you know, this is like it's this starts like
a weird fight that could last for like who knows

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how long. I remember that weird thing she did, and
it could like change dynamics and stuff, and it's.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Like, just go enjoy it still for a day.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, you slept on the couch for one day. I
would do it that too. You said that was your
cut off point.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, but we do have an edit. As I am
reading through the comments, I'm untangling some of the feelings
that I was having. I am upset about being assigned
to the couch, especially because it was last minute and
I was not told beforehand. An entire weekend of partying
with an uncomfortable sleeping arrangement and no privacy really sounded miserable.
I'm not twenty two anymore, just twenty nine, but.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I boo, I would do that right now. I'm twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well, yeah, but I do think I am more upset
about Oliver's exclusion and just didn't piece it together and
really held onto the couch as an excuse.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, okay, that makes more sense. That makes fu I'm
down with that. Yeah, yesh.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
It really did feel like it was made into a
couple's weekend and somehow Oliver and I were excluded from that.
I hated it immediately, feeling like the seventh wheel at
A Number two. I did not know Shane and Sarah's
partners were going to be there, literally until I walked
in and saw them. And there's a consensus from the comments,
not the A hole comments point out the audacity.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Comments by Ope.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I assumed I had a bed because the original plan
was for me to have a bed. When we made
the plans in January, we both confirmed that I would
be staying in the guest room.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Okay, So she didn't just assume they talked about it.
There was okay, action, confirmation, there we go.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I felt like there was like more that we weren't seeing.
But this that makes more sense. Shane and Sarah were
added to the trip early in April, and it wasn't
until Sarah and her husband informed them that they couldn't
find a hotel, which to my understanding was like a
week before the trip. Josie moved around, sleeping arrangements and
didn't tell me. We have been friends for fifteen years.
I know they are good people. I hate the we're

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upset with each other. I would really love for us
to move past this. When we made plans back in January,
it stemmed from Josie and I seeing the event advertised
and agreeing that it sounded fun. She invited me to
come stay with her for the weekend. Her husband would
be there, obviously, but it was definitely meant to be
a girl's weekend, which we do at least once a year.
I presented it to Oliver that way, and he told
me to have fun, as far as I'm aware. At
some point, Leo suggested inviting Shane, their college friend, which

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Josie told me about. She also mentioned that Sarah might
be joining as well, since she heard about the event
and was interested. At no points did Josie or Leo
mention Shane and Sarah would be bringing their partners or
that arrangements would change. I have met Shane and Sarah
maybe three or four times in the last seven years.
I don't even have their cell numbers, so I have
no idea what happened between them and Josie and Leo.

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Planning wise, I knew Sarah was married, but I didn't
know that Shane had just gotten engaged. So I was
invited by Josie for somewhat of a girl's weekend, and
then eventually Leo invited Shane, I assumed to have a
guy friend and not to be a third wheel, and
then Sarah too. The weekend just had the vibe of
a bunch of friends getting together. I one hundred percent
would have invited Oliver or asked if he could come

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if I knew that Shane and Sarah were bringing their partners.
The reason I mentioned my room is only because it
had been established that I would be staying there early
on in the planning. I know I'm not entitled to
the room. It is their house, and I would not
have had any problem not staying in that room. I
also would not have had a problem getting a hotel
if I had been informed of the sleeping arrangements beforehand.

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At the point of me finding out Thursday afternoon, a
large majority of the hotels in the area had been
booked for the festival. In the rooms I could find
were at least twice the price that they normally were,
and no hotel I called had consecutive.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Availability for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I am sure that this is the same problem Sarah
and her husband ran into when they tried to book.
And there are some notable comments. Uh, Opie, you are
not the a hole at all in the situation. Your
friend's parting comment about they just didn't think about it
shows exactly who they.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Are they are, doesn't This is fine?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
No, I could see how you. I mean, it's a
big conclusion to jump at. I think it's a very
Internet like the esque thing to do to jump to
that from what we saw before the edit. But after
the edit, it's like, I don't really agree with that.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, but guess what we have an updated.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, So nine days later, long update ahead. I waited
until the weekend to call Josie because I thought that
we could both use the time to cool off and
think about the situation. I spent a few days parsing
through your comments. When we finally got on the phone,
she was instantly apologetic for how the previous weekend went.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
But before we went further into the convo, I asked
her to explain how we ended up where we did.
So here are the events, as she told her, and
I made plans in January for me to come visit
for the festival.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Her husband, Leo was only interested in like one day's
events and wasn't planning on attending with us the rest
of the time, so it was mainly a girl's weekend
for us. Okay. Sometime in March, Leo mentioned the weekend
to Shane, his college friend, who showed interest. Josie said
that it was Leo's idea to invite Shane so he'd
have someone to hang out with while she and I

(22:25):
were busy with our plans. Josie and Leo told me
at this point that Shane would be there for the
weekend too, okay, so we knew that another friend was
going okay, Okay, then I guess a couple of days
after that, Sarah, in the same college friend group, heard
about the event from Shane, and she and her husband
decided to go as well. Josie at this point told
me that their friend Sarah would also be in town

(22:46):
for the festival. She did not tell me that Sarah
was planning on staying at their house because they had
originally planned on getting a hotel. Oh wow, So Josie
was kind of bamboozled by Sarah. Yeah dang. Somewhere between
Shane being added and the festival weekend, Shane proposed to
his now fiance Oh wow, and then requested that she'd
be added to the trip.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
This is so complicated, and you know what, none of
this sounds like it has anything to do with Op
and Oliver, not at all at all. Just all this
other crazy stuff happening around the planet.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
The Monday before the trip, Sarah and her husband called
that they couldn't find an affordable hotel and asked if
they could stay with Josie and Leo. When I asked
Josie why she didn't just update me on the plans,
she says she was feeling overwhelmed by all of the
changes and worried that if I knew I'd be sleeping
on the couch, I wouldn't come. I knew that, just
like she'd be okay with it. Was it felt weird.

(23:37):
I don't know, so that one does have something to
do with you. No, one does have a little bit.
She claimed that she and Leo looked for hotels for me,
but also couldn't find anything affordable. She said she felt
bad She understood why I left, but she wished that
I hadn't and that she spent the entire weekend feeling awful.
So she did apologize, and I also apologized for leaving
abruptly without talking it out. I also felt overwhelmed by

(23:57):
the situation, especially because I barely know Shane and Sarah,
let alone their partners. That's the simplified version of that problem.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
And you know what, like if if what's what's the
host's name, Josie, Josie. Yeah, Josie and her husband could
have just been like, well, we'll sleep on the couch.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
That's a great idea.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Concerned if you're like, oh, I feel terrible about it,
it's like, well, give her your bed.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Right, air mattress or something.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, you can get like a sleeping pad. Yeah, solutions.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, he wants to figure it out, man.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
And a week is plenty of time to get like.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
An air mattress. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I also asked why they hadn't thought to invite Oliver.
I said that I understood plans changed pretty fast, but
there was a decent chunk of time where she knew
all the couples would at least be at the festival,
and she could have at least extended the invite. I said,
I wasn't buying the excuse that they forgot, especially since
she just explained that she was kind of purposefully keeping
me in the dark in the hopes that I wouldn't cancel.

(24:56):
Josie admitted that the last time all four of us
were together, which was last September, Oliver made a pass
at Leo and that made Leo really uncomfortable. What, Oh
my gosh, this is like a whole nother plot line
invited into the chat.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh my gosh, Oliver wants Leo, what crazy way? Hold on?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
What?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
All right, Let's get into that.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
It was a night we had all been out drinking,
and according to Leo, somehow the conversation got around to
the topic of Oliver's heaspot, and Leo made a comment
about never having any spicy interaction with men, to which
Oliver responded, well, if you ever wanted to change that,
let me know. I got off the phone to talk
to Oliver. I know that he would never cheat on me,
and then he probably meant it as a joke. Oliver

(25:40):
said that he remembered the night and said that it
was just a joke because he could tell Leo was
uncomfortable with Oliver's past stating men and that he didn't
think Leo took him seriously.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
So he was like, I spaw, I'm gonna I'm gonna
start to floor with them to make him uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I mean what, Yeah, I kind of get that.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I'm not gonna lie. I kind of get that nag
to call Leo and smooth it over himself. But I
told him to hold off because I didn't want to
make the situation worse. I just told Josie privately that
Oliver didn't mean to make Leo uncomfortable and that he
was sorry, and she said that she'd tell Leo that
there is still a little bit more to the story.
My brain feels like alphabet soup with all of these

(26:17):
names running around.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I agree, there's a lot of name going.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
It was literally someone's child's eating oufhan soup, mixing around
all the numbers and everything's floating everywhere. Yeah, that's my brain.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I'm sticking in terms of my take, I'm sticking to
the oldie, but goody, just don't take it personally.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Leo, don't take that.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
If you wouldn't take that personally, ave was just messing
around and now you're like, oh, Oliver wants me.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
He's like, no, no, he doesn't joke.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I would wish though, I think if I was an
OP situation, I would wish that my friend of fifteen
years would like tell me for real, like, if something
like that is actually a real concern, that should be
something that should be discussed my partner.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, if you said it back in September, you could
have just talked it out immediately been like, oh no,
that was a joke. Yeah, you don't have to be
uncomfortable about that for instead.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Of yeah, purposely not inviting him to something that everyone
is part of, like you can.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Talk about it.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
If I have a friend for fifteen years, I would
hope that they would be able to talk to me
about that stuff.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
That's given me some serious es. Then from Leo to
take take it so seriously that he's like, yeah, I
don't think that that guy should ever come around again
because he well wants to touch my butt.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, I wonder, like I really wonder, so scared I
could I Yeah, I could see how he would take
it really seriously if he if he's he definitely doesn't
like understand it. So I think if he sees like,
oh well, if you ever want to change that, he
would see that as like, oh my god. He just
like he just like really is hitting on me like
it's a big deal, and it's like no, no, no, it's

(27:47):
not that big.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Actually, yeah, like straight people do that too.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
It's okay, Like it's fine, you know. So I think
it's just a complicated situation.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
It's just could have been so clear communication Zacht early exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
So Josie and I are okay, even if things are
a little tense. I genuinely don't know what to do
about the Leo Oliver situation other than let it smooth
over with time. I only see Josie three to four
times a year, and Oliver sees them maybe one to
two times a year. So hopefully the next time we
all want to do something together it can just be forgotten.
There is a consensus from the comments. Commenters tell Opia

(28:23):
Doormat has a stronger spine than her her dad read
her Oh my gosh, is not even true.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Think so at all?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
She literally left, Yeah, she literally said I'm going to
leave because I'm standing on business.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
This story has hurt my brain.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I will say though, in terms of like that whole
like maybe we just never mention it and it gets forgotten. Yeah, Yeah,
that's kind of jello spine doormat behavior. Yeah, I think
we've gotten to the meat. I think that's that. That's
the end of that story.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
What happened. A lot happened. I think the if I
was Opy, the only thing that I would still kind
of be annoyed about annoyed nothing more is the fact
that Josie didn't like tell her about the real reason
to not invite Oliver earlier. Yeah, that that bothers me.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Right, It's like you need to if it's so, if
it's that big of a deal that like you can't be.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Around him anymore, Like you all need to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
So the two things I'd say, clear communication early, don't
take anything personally, please, and that's how to have a
better life.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
God. But that's the end of that story.

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Speaker 2 (29:29):
My wife cheated on me. Now she's blaming it on
mind control.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
He cast a spell with his eyes his beautiful eye
too powerful.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
First of all, I want to say I am not
normally the person to post my business on the internet,
but for reasons you will shortly see, I need a
sanity check on this one. There's absolutely no way I
can chow this dilemma with anyone who knows me.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
It's too fed up and I'm honestly reeling here.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
By the way, this comes from number Fantastic forty nine
to ninety two. If you want to smit your own stories,
go to the r slash. Okay, storytime start about it.
So to try to make a long story short, My
wife thirty two female, and I thirty two male, have
been married for five years, no kids, but lately things
haven't been so great, you don't say, I wonder what
could give us that impression. The main issue, frankly, is

(30:14):
there hasn't been any spicy sleep. And I keep talking
to her about this, but she honestly seems completely indifferent,
like she doesn't even care.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
That I have neats.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Hey, you've got hands sets.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Her take is that Jill or Tom hands over there?
You're Dave.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
When you're dating Tom hands, what you're gonna get?

Speaker 5 (30:33):
I ask her if she wants spicy sleep anymore, and
she just hrugs.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
I know, maybe maybe when they tell you, the worst
she can say is no, and then she does that instead.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, yeah, maybe he's worse. At the same time, she
has been going to the gym, more highlighting her hair,
wearing more makeup clothes, et cetera, et cetera, which to
me seems like signs of cheating when combined with not
having spicy sleep with me at all, Paul, cheating or
not just purely looking at this in a vacuum disregardings.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
You're gonna say, Nah, you know what this feels like
to me? It feels like gut check here. It feels like,
you know, when it's like, well.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
My porter's not sleep with me, and now she's like
going to the gym and dressing nicer, It's like maybe
she's just like leaning into her you know, fierce Era.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
You knows right, I'm here, I'm doing my thing. I
don't need my man to give me permission to do
my thing, right.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
But also she's gonna try it on this guy.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Frankly, I started to get fed up with a lack
of respect and interest and consideration above all, the lack
of communication, like, she just won't talk to me about this. So,
while I'm not proud, I did check her phone and
discovered very clear evidence that she is cheating on me
with a male coworker of hers, but in a total
fifty shades club way where she is calling him master

(32:01):
and stuff like that. Oh totally not my thing, and
honestly really upsets me way more than just cheating that
she would be calling another man master. Obviously, for me,
this was the final straw, and I knew there was
no coming back from this. I just wanted a divorce,
and I wanted it right away. No kids, might as
well start over while we're young. So I confronted her

(32:21):
the next day after a night of stewing and sweating
on the couch. Oh God, no spicy sleepad. And here's
where the really fed up part starts. As soon as
I brought up her coworker, my wife started sobbing and
says she is not cheating on me on purpose, but
rather is under mind control.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
She must work at the mind control factory. They're building
the mind control technology, and they're like, he's using the
proto time to make me want him.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Mega mind strikes again with that superior brain of his
double long time big old brain, superior superior brain, big head. Well,
so we've established that there was cheating undermine control allegedly,
right right, which changes everything? Changes everything? What's investigating, howie?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (33:20):
So she said he literally put her under hypnotic control
so that whenever he says certain trigger words she goes
into a trance, given her suggestions that she will carry
out even when they're not together.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
So I'm obviously like, what the.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, I'd be like, so, y'all did that while you
were in the boudoir and now you want to bust
out that No, he hypnotized me.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I said. I was obviously like, what the f? Because
that crap doesn't exist?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Right, Oh, that's where you're wrong.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
She's telling me this so confidently, as if everyone just
knows you can go around mind controlling your coworkers and
that's the thing that happens. But it's not right. So
I have absolutely no idea what to say to this.
But I asked her, if this was true, why did
she never tell me before? And she said the control
stopped her, So why can she tell me now? She

(34:12):
says she doesn't know because she doesn't remember all of
his instructions, but he may have let her tell me
if I specifically asked, or it may be that the
control was broken because it was too emotionally intense. O brother,
I just honestly did not believe all of this at all.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
And I don't even know what.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
To do with this excuse, Like I've never heard any
crap like this in my life. But my wife couldn't
tell that I didn't believe her, and she started crying
and saying I didn't trust her, and she wants to
get out of the control, and if I can't help
save her from him, then she'll have to leave him
and never do anything like that again.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I mean, here's what happened.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
They did this for fun, doing a little bounce now,
bounce now, and Okay, she's flailing because she's being confronted
with it, and she's.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Like, oh oh, oh, oh wait no, actually I was
hypnotized and now I'm gonna freak out. I see what
you're saying.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
So in one of their in one of their spicy sessions,
they maybe had some little you know, hypnosis or whatever.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
He's like, so I'm gonna hypnotize you to increase your sensation.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
And She's like, I'm technically telling the truth because he
we did do a hypnosis thing.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
If he ever asked the guy, it's like, oh, yeah,
I did do this hypnosis thing. It's nonsense.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
I need to believe it's not her faults because she
would never do that to me. So basically, at this point,
I just left and went to my brother's house and
told her I need to get away from this right now.
She's been texting me since begging me to believe her,
and I just told my brother I found out she
was cheating, and he said, I can stay as long
as I want, but there's no way.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I can tell him all of this crazy crap.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
So my question is what the f First of all,
am I the a hole for not believing my wife?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Is this something that can really happen? I know hypnosis
is used by a psychologists and magicians, but don't you
have to consent to be hypnotized? I can just imagine
if we called the cops about this, they would laugh
in our face. I feel sick thinking about this either way.
But even if it's not true, does my wife honestly
believe this? And if she honestly believes, she is under control?
Should I forgive her even if it's not true. Ladies

(36:20):
and gentlemen, we have an update. But first, first question
we have to answer. Am I the ahole for not
believing my wife?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
No, you're either dealing with someone who has legit powers
or your wife is cheating on you and freaked out
when you confronted her and attached onto this, because that
makes more sense than I'm a bad person and I
cheated on you.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I think that, like, this is such an insane situation.
I feel like op's kind of previous thing of like,
let me just like get out as smoothly and cleanly
and effectively as possible, because like, I feel like any
more time spent with this person, it's like it's so
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Once you say I'm.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Eypnotized, it's I don't know how we can what we
can do from there?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Where we can work from there? Yeah, I don't I
don't know where we're going. But anyway, that's yeah, it's
just it's a it's a nonsense scenario. You, Yeah, it's
she's she's cooked.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Well, Ladies and gentlemen, Uh, the dinger on the oven
has just got off, and we're going.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
To see how cooked. She really is. Let's get into
this updates boy.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
So, a couple of people asked for updates, and I
was initially a reticence, but after everything that happened, I
wanted to share what I learned. I appreciate people's input,
especially on the hypnosis part and how that works, but
to be honest, I think most of y'all were a
little harsh on me, and it was kind of a
dumb move on my part to post the situation online
when nobody replying knows me or my wife at all.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I think y'all were a little harsh on me.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
The Internet, the internet, the voice of people talking on
the internet right there.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I feel like maybe that was a little.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Maybe I was crucified, unnecessarily broke.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I got his girl hypnotized, and you cheated on him. Guys,
Let's give him a break.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Let's give him a little break. So I wanted to
update and shed some light on all of that. So
to get the obvious out of the way, we are
getting divorced.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
This is good.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
I spent a few days at my brother's house, and
while originally I said there was no way I would
ever tell him, finally we got pretty wasted and I
spilled everything and showed him the text for my wife too,
where she was insisting that she was under control and
that she would never choose to do this to me.
To his credit, he didn't mock or make fun of
me at all, and since, unlike Reddit, he actually knows

(38:37):
my wife, his perspective was honestly helpful and gave me
some things to think about that I hadn't considered before.
And I kind of wish that I had just talked
to him in the first place, but I was so
humiliated I could only talk about it anonymously.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
But here's what he said.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
He agreed that my wife is very weak in a
guldble person, someone who can be easily manipulated, and maybe
she believed she was mind controlled, But he said that
doesn't make her innocent on this. I mean, that is
definitely at least a more plausible scenario if you're like,
literally the most gullible person on planet freaking Earth.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Right, maybe that's the other half of it is, Okay,
so she's just gullible, But now it's like, my wife
is so gullible she can get hypnotized by her co workers.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, into cheating on me. Yeah, So I still don't
want to stay. Yeah, yeah, where we are, it's a wash.
He made a comparison to people who joined cults or
spend thousands of dollars in online romance scams. The latter
one hit home because we have a relative who was
involved in this. They're families and loved ones. Try to
get them out and show them the facts, but they
continue rationalizing and believing what they want to believe for

(39:43):
the sake of fantasy, of the romance or the religion.
They may be a victim, but they're not innocent, and
I get it. I can absolutely see that kind of
behavior in my wife, where she is willing to excuse
and stick up for people who treat her like dirts,
but not stick up for herself or the people who
are important to her, to where she is willing to
stay under the thumb of anyone who will think for
her and make decisions for her. So the way we

(40:05):
got together is I kind of saved her from a
bad relationship she was in, and I think she's kind
of addicted to the dynamic, to be honest, letting someone
control her or being saved. So I realized after talking
to my brother, even if my wife believes she is
mine controlled. Can I really go on with my life
with someone who would let herself be this deluded to
maybe risk our finances, our future children's safety, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, we can't do it.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
I don't think I ever would have stayed with her
after this, obviously, but my brother's ad Rice really made
things clear to me in a way that I hadn't
thought of before. So now, what happened with my wife,
you might be asking.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yes, she developed mysterious powers of her own.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
I did have to go back to our place and
get some of my stuff, and honestly, I did want
to talk to her, I guess to try to get
closure and make her hear my perspective and maybe try
to shake some sense into her one last time. Like
I do still care about her, and I wanted to
try and figure her crap out and never do something
like this again. So we talked, and the first thing
I told her was that we are getting divorced, and

(41:11):
she could not change my mind. Can't change your mind,
you say, what if I hypnotize you, dude?

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yes, And then my wife put her fingers to her
temple and she can.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
And then suddenly I started thinking this was fine.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
You will stay married to me and let me sleep
with my super hot coworker because he's a dime piece.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Yeah, all of a sudden, her head started pulsating and
my thoughts suddenly changed.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
So the first thing I told her was that we
were getting divorced and she could not change my mind.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
There was a lot of crying after that.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Next I asked her if this was all a lie
or does she really believe she was hypnotized, because I
very bluntly told her mind control is not real and
hypnosis doesn't work unless you consent to it. And I said, okay,
why don't you tell me or someone to get help?
And she said his control prevented her. I told her
that if she really believed this is true, she needed
to contact her HR department and the police. Indeed, but

(42:13):
I think she just needs mental help and she is
willing to sacrifice our marriage for her spicy related fantasy,
and I hope one day she can admit that it
was her fantasy. She didn't argue too much with that,
but she didn't admit it either, And she showed me
her text to the guy where she told him his
control was broken and it was over, he said, and
I quote, that's fine. I already got everything I wanted. Anyway,

(42:42):
What the what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Is?

Speaker 2 (42:45):
This? Is this guy a hypn It's just criminal.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
So she ruined her happiness for someone like that A
hard pill to swallow for me and for her. So
I told her I had to go. And she asked
if we could stay in touch her befriends, and I said.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
No, you'll have to hypnotize me for me to be
down for that got him.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
We will talk through lawyers from now on. Not to
be harsh, but I don't want to feed her fantasy
that I will still save her somehow.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
But I encourage her to get help.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
We do have a little bit left here, Dakota, but
I am to know you and produce a kios.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Closing thoughts on this insane story.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Don't let yourself get hypnotized, dude.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
You never know.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
One day you're just gonna wake up robbing a bank
in Nova Scotia. You're gonna say, oh God, I shouldn't
have talked to Jerry in accounting. Now I'm hypnotized robbing
this bank. Shouldn't have done it. Look, this is crazy,
and yeah, she probably she needs to figure out what
has driven her to pursue this in her life and

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then hopefully change her pattern of behavior. Yeah, because it's
definitely got to be a crazy control thing. She's someone
to tell her what to do.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Yeah, it's it's honestly, this is above my payground, this one.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I don't even know. Keon, what are your what are
your closing thoughts?

Speaker 6 (44:10):
This is one of the craziest lies. Like you said, John,
I've never heard anything where just take take it, get
you got caught. Great, great, you got caught. But now
you're just gonna look dumb and get caught. Yeah right,
I don't know. That's one of the craziest things. I
was hypnotized. Sorry, that's on you love.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yeah, just the just the complete like no, no, no weight,
It's not what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I'm hypnotized.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Oh but oh but I can tell you about it
now but not before, but now because blah blah blah blah,
because of the position of the moon and the stars,
I have broken the spell.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Mercury, we are free.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
Also the guy that she cheated with the hypnotist after
him saying that, yeah, I I want to talk to
this guy. I want to go up and I'm like, yo,
you are you are a scumbag?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, this guy is filthy clearly? Uh because who else
who will fall? He is actually a hypnotist? Who who
else is he doing this to?

Speaker 5 (45:16):
I truly think I think we need a little investigation
on him, because he is It's it's too sus It's
beyond just like dating a married a person's spouse, like
or hooking up with a married person's spouse. I should say, well,
ladies and gentlemen, we have a finale to this insane saga.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, let's dive right into it. Boys.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
As for me, I'm gonna stay single for a while,
and to be honest, I should probably rethink what kind
of woman I want to and try to find a
gal who is more independent and doesn't need to be
saved per se. But in the meantime, I always wanted
a dog, and my soon to be ex wife is allergic,
so I think I am gonna start there.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
My wife is planning an affair, but she doesn't know
that I already know DIASP gasp. Before being married, my
wife and I texted some spicy photos and videos to
a guy she used to hook up with before she
met me, she still had the hots for her and

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it was something that we did together to spice up
our spicy sleep life. By the way, this comes from
user to throwaway Sad Guy one two three, and if
you want to submit your own stories, go to the
r slash. Okay, storytime subburned it, so he sent us
back really nice notes and got real really into us. Uh,

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which is always good to receive positive feedback.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
You know. He's like, hey, here's some notes.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
You know you're angle if you just shifted your angle
three degrees?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Oh god? Yeah, and that made her feel good.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
This was something that we did together, so we both
got a benefit. She was a lot more frisky, more confident,
and we had some amazing spicy sleeps. I suppose, oh
is it excited me to know that I had something
that he wanted, As stupid as that sounds. After that experience,
she was very open that he would text randomly, but
she never responded. She even showed me the phone to

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prove that she was honoring our relationship and not doing
anything behind my back. Okay, now fast forward three years
and we are married. I approached my wife in October
about our spicy sleep life losing passion. My wife is
the type of girl where we can talk about these
sorts of things and be completely open and honest with
one another. She understood, and we promised to work on it. Yes,

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she understood that she was going to go call that guy.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Oops.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
Oops, Yeah, I'm gonna get my spicy sleep life better.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Hello other guys.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Yes, hello, guy who would give me those great notes
all the time make me feel good.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, I've got a new piece for some new notes.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Around Halloween time, she mentioned it might be fun to
text that same guy Eric. I was game because it
worked so well for us last time. We sent him
a video slash picture and my wife got real, real
excited about it and we had some crazy horizontal mambo.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Everyone likes getting attention and feeling attractive, so I get
why she had that reaction. I sometimes wish I would
get noticed more by the opposite gender. However, this time,
the texting continued beyond that.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
One day, she was very.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Open and honest with me that they would check in
with each other and text a little throughout the day.
After this went on for about a week, I confronted
her about him and all the texting. She confessed that
they had been texting more and that she was really
enjoying the conversation and attention from him. I told her
that I would prefer her to keep the attention more
spicy related, like sending pictures opposed to talking about real

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life thing.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay, that's so funny.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
He's like, so I saw the messages and like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
all the pictures and stuff that those were great, But
what's up with you telling him about that dentist appointment?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Bro is living in opposite world.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
He's like, hey, listen, you can't talk about this like
a cool new show that you've been watching that you
think is like a good record or whatever. But like,
if you just keep taking pictures of your Badonka dog
for him, that'd be amazing.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, seventeen Badonka Donk photos. Cool cool, cool, cool, amazing.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
You're you're talking about which toothpaste?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Do you prefer?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
What's up with that? That's too real? That's for me,
that's real. Those are for me. Wow.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
I said I would feel more comfortable if this was
purely a spicy related thing, and that she wasn't off
having an emotional affair.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
She agreed and reiterated that the.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Guy lives out of the country and she isn't interested
in leaving me for him more jeopardizing our marriage. It's
just refreshing to talk to someone new, and he makes
her feel good. After this period, I noticed that she
has been a little weird with her phone, going in
other rooms to text, take making the phone with her
in the shower, and really not letting it out of sight.
The very next day, she sent me to very spicy

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photos and a video, which was totally out of character.
I'm like, hey, what are you doing send that to me?
Send that to Eric that those aren't for me.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
You's so right.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I want to know about.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
What Becca, your coworker said this morning when you guys
were eating snacks.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Dude. I figured that she probably just made them for
him and just sent them to me.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Oh no, all right, you got okay, okay, that's just
an interesting arrangement, sloppy seconds. When I asked her about it,
she said that she made them only for me, that
she was just trying to do something nice. I called
her bluff and she showed me her phone. Sure enough,
the pictures were not there in her text to him. However,
I took it one step further and asked to see

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her computer, which also shows her texts, and voila, there
they were.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
She lied to me, sent him the photos to and
then deleted the texts off of her phone, not realizing
that those texts would still exist on her computer. We
had a very long talk about boundaries. At this point,
I told her that if she continues to talk to him,
then she needs to be honest with me. That there
shouldn't be anything that she says to him that would
hurt my feelings or that she would want to hide.

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She also promised never to ever see him or call him,
just send flirty texts. I explained that if I ever
found out that they met or were intimate, I would
be devastated and it would be the end of our
two year marriage. I reiterated that these spicy photos is
something that we used to do together that benefited us both,

(51:42):
and now it seems to be single sided. After this point,
I got really suspicious of her, since I already caught
her in one lie, so I thought of a plan.
I got her old computer out of the closet, which
still had her Apple ID auto filled, so I could
monitor their messages. I would do this monitoring when she
was not around, and there was no risk of getting
caught snooping through her phone or primary computer. I was devastated.

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They talk about work, her business, my dog, and random stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I mean, yes, there were a lot.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Of spicy related stuff too, But I was devastated because
you could tell she actually has feelings for him.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Hayekota. I've got an idea.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Let's go to a bank robber and secretly plant a
camera in his hat and we'll see him robbing banks.
But I'm gonna be if he robs a bank, I'm
gonna be devastated.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
I'm gonna be completely crest lord. I just shocked, beyond belief,
hollowed out. Yeah, I'm gonna say I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Man.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
They would often reminisce about how much chemistry they had
and how the spicy sleep was amazing. She even admit
that she's bummed when she doesn't hear from him. Brother,
they just said that they're sleeping together. You just glazed
over that.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Oh something was glazed over. Oh you got it. I
teed it up, you took it home. There we go.
To be fair, she never bad mouthed me our marriage
or said anything negative about me at all.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
But the real devastation occurred when she asked if he
would ever be interested in meeting up.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
She asked him, not the other way around.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
She's sending him naked photos already all day. I'm concerned
from that already.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
She even joked that they would have to meet in
a very public place because her clothes wouldn't last five minutes,
to which he replied, you'd be in trouble even in public.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Now two months have.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Passed, two months have passed.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, we have to keep going.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
I'm leaving the.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Five minutes after I read that, I'm out. We have
to stay in the marriage. I'm out. We have to
stay for life.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
Five minutes after I read my clothes aren't lasting five minutes,
it's sent by my wife to another guy who she's.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Told me she's not. Don't worry about this guy. Don't
worry about him. I'm leaving. Just keep just keep going.
I can't recover from that.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Internally, I'm broken from that, saying, ooh, gonna go ahead
and try to rebuild myself for two years and then
try that again.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Quitters never quit.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Wow, houly crap. Now two months have passed. Here we
and they've been chatting pretty much every day perfect. They
have brought up the meeting several times and hammered out
of date December twenty eighth, as he will be in
town near where her dad lives. She did mention that
they need to go over rules, but no specifics were mentioned.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
His reply was, no, pennies is rule number one? Oh
what is going on? Brother?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Do you? Is this your kink?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I don't know how you do this for two months
without it being something you're kind of enjoying.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
I think we need to try it for twenty more
years and to see why.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I play out this entire time.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
I've been trying to act normal around my wife, even
though I am really really hurting on the inside.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I'm doing my best to keep cool.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
I even make snyde remarks like maybe you should go
text your boyfriend and stuff like that. We even had
a conversation that I worry she thinks about him more
than me, and that when we're intimate.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
She is thinking of him.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
She said I was acting crazy and that isn't the
case at all, that I get her going, and that
they don't really text much anymore, which is a lie
because I read them all and know that they text
almost every day. Hey, hey, listeners, if that sounds like you,
break up with your partner. If you're spying every day

(56:13):
on your partner and her new boyfriend, it's time for
you to get a new relationship.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
I want to put cameras in my house so someone
can rob me of all the valuables that I don't
want to lose, of my prize positions and all my money.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
But I don't want to stop them.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
I just want to keep looking at the security visage
and watching them walk away and doing nothing about it.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
That's just what I want to do, unless we.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Want to be a part of the hit early two
thousands Discovery lifestyle show It Takes a Thief. Now that
their rendezvous is approaching, I don't know what to do leave.
She has already told me that she plans to take
time off work after Christmas. When I press the issue,
she said that she just wants to spend time with

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me and have a staycation. I'm guessing that she will
lie on the twenties seventh or twenty eight and say
that her dad is sick and that she wants to
go check on him or something like that.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I feel like I need to know the truth?

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Is she going to meet with him even though it
would violate the boundary we set?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Rather you know the truth.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
I just need to know the truth. If I took
this hammer and smashed my hand with it, would the
bones in my hand be broken?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I'm having a mental crash out right now.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
We know it broke my all my bones to first
eleven times? But what about the twelve No one's ever
done this twelve times?

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Exactly? It might change?

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Oh truly, I am an adventurer of science. Do I
hire a PI to investigate and document the encounter? You
should just cut yourself a check and pay yourself for
all of the slew thing you did?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah? This is uh? Do I hire a PI?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Is the craziest thing.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
I've heard in this whole story. You've already done all
of the eye. There's nothing left. There's no eye left
to do in that. Oh my god, it's over. Oh
you found it?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
You won do?

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I just monitor their texts and see if any exchanges
indicate intimacy If I confront her now, I feel like
the truth would haunt me forever. I feel like I
have to know if she's cheater. We have no kids, however,
we do each own our own, separate and unrelated businesses.
I make much more than her, and I have another
house in my name from before I met her. I
don't know if I want to walk away or make

(58:31):
it work. I don't think I can forgive her for
having a premeditated affair in violating terms we had specifically outlined.
What if they aren't intimate and they keep things innocent,
should I still feel violated? And there's an update?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Oh, I really wanted comments.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
We already know exactly what we're thinking and how we feel.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
What was that line? Oh? I want to know if
she's a cheater?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
She's I think she's cheating on you, dude.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I think she might be.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
She's figured out how did she on you when like,
sending spicy texts isn't even cheating.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
That's true? So she's really really a hole in the
fence here. She's really just like going for it. Maybe
like she's like, I I will make sure that I
cheat on this person. But do we really know? I
think we do? Do we think?

Speaker 4 (59:22):
I think if you're on the vibes of I've even
let them send spicy messages and I'm still like, is
this okay?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
It's not okay, it's not okay, it's not and she.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Is okay with that. Yeah, I'm confused.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
I'm just completely lost with this man, because if he
likes it, then it's like, all right, just maybe he's
like ashamed.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I don't know what the case is.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
But then on the other hand, if he's truly asking,
like is this cheating, it's like a brother.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yes, okay, let's do an update. Folks. Here we go.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
We're still doing this. You've got an update. I took
into consideration all of your comments and decided that I
would confront her without divulging everything I know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
I approached her and asked if she was still texting Eric,
and she replied on occasion. While this isn't entirely truthful,
it was at least a step in the right direction.
I went on to say that I was really uncomfortable
with the whole situation, and that I felt she was
talking to him too much behind my back, that I
didn't even realize that she was still texting him, and
that obviously she was doing a better job at being

(01:00:35):
discreet about it. She got kind of defensive, saying that
their conversations are completely innocent and that he lives far
away and there's no way that they could ever meet again.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
This is a total lie.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
My response to her was, if the conversations are totally innocent,
and you value and respect our marriage, then you should
have no problems stopping all communications with him. You could
tell she was upset about the whole situation and even
brought up the topic later that day. She asked again
why she has to stop talking to him when everything
was innocent, and then later called me controlling. She then

(01:01:08):
showed me the messages back and forth between her and Eric.
Immediately I knew that she had filtered many of the
messages back and forth, both getting rid of the most
risque stuff and reducing the frequency. After this, I asked her,
point blank to her face if she had altered or
deleted any of the messages. She looked at me with
a really sad face, paused, and said yes. Then she

(01:01:29):
started to cry and came clean on everything. She admitted
that she had feelings for him and that she really
does enjoy talking to him. She also admitted that he
had asked to meet and that it was something that
she sort of wanted to do, and this is somewhat untrue.
And she was the one who asked if he wanted
to meet She said she wanted to meet him to
see if there was any leftover chemistry and to get closure.
She said she was mostly curious what it would be

(01:01:51):
like to see him, not that she would go there
to specifically have the spicy sleep with him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
We do have a little bit more story here, John Keon.
I mean, we all know what we're thinking, we all
know what we're feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Like, what would you say to someone your friend sits
you down and is laying this out in front of you? Yeah,
what do you say to them once they have taken
a breath?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I think we might have to stand up and walk
out the door.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Dang, you're not even you just stand up and go.
I got to get some ayor out front. I'm I
think I'm legitimately like like, dude, like do is this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Like? Like why I got that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
That's truly the only only word that can come to
my brain now is why, because I don't I don't understand.
It's like back in school, right, they had like the
answer sheet to the test. You gave me the answer
sheet and you're like, but what are the answers now?

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Right, they're in your hands, you're holding the answers, they're
right in front of you, and you're going like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Oh, what is this language?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
What are these symbols? I don't I don't know what
I'm looking at. I'm doing. I'm staring at Bro like this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
For all of our listeners. Kean just pulled up a
picture of the of Donkey from Shrek. Donkey from Shrek,
just blank face, staring straight ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Look.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
After she came clean and opened up about mostly everything,
I felt much better about the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Let's go go, you've gone.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
She promised that she would stop talking to him and
would not see him. I looked her in the eye
and told her that if she doesn't cut ties with him,
or if she sees him, that I would file for divorce.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Scary threats.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
She still does not know that I am monitoring their
conversations and know everything from start to finish. And that
is the end of the story. Oh my god, Hey,
it's John ere og host here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I saw suspicious messages on my wife's phone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
She's saying, I'm just crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I swear it's not what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
So my wife and I have been together for eight
years two year marriage. Like any relationship, we had our
ups and downs, but we had always been respectful to
each other about our private lives. No jealousy, no spying, nothing.
She was the one that healed me after my previous
relationship I'd been cheated on. By the way, this comes
from coot yaps and if you want to submit your

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own stories, go to the r slash. Okay, storytime, subread it.
So I'm close with her family members, especially with her
mother and grandmother, and they love me as a son.
Her friends see me as a perfect husband.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Okay, I don't toot your own horn.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah I could kinda say, I am all right it.
Oh man man man Man definitely has got a little
little I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Can trust you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
If you kid, I'm the perfect time, I am the
per He's like, he's not saying, I guess he is.
He's like, they say I'm the perfect husband, and I agree,
and I agree. I knew this guy, let's name him Jake.
And my wife had a sister brother relationship that started
a year ago where they shared some stuff online like
hardships et cetera. And they even met me and talked

(01:05:20):
to me, and of course, being eight years younger than
my wife, I also saw him as a little brother.
I even met his parents. But two weeks ago, when
we were at our cousin's house, we visited there to
buy a new house in the neighborhood, and he was
there too. I got chills down my spine, like something
is wrong with this guy. And just as I'm thinking it,
they went to a separate room to discuss a personal matter.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
Jake had, Mmm, what kind of personal matter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
I got from Salami?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
In my bad sue.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
We don't have to say it out loud, and we
could have just used him.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
You can still use your imagination. I just gave them more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
We're starting a little bit more to imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Yeah, yikes, yikes. My mind was giving me so many alarms,
but I told myself, don't be ridiculous. But when they
got out of the room, their faces were kind of reddish,
and I just thought the room must be hot. But
of course my mind would not stop thinking about it.
This was a different feeling, like I trusted this girl
one hundred percent through eight years, and now my mind

(01:06:23):
was not letting it go weird, I said, and it
decided that I have to go talk to my wife
about this and see how she reacts. She was calm
and told me things like, are you jealous? He's like
a brother than me, and that's funny. And when I asked,
can I see what he writes to you on your phone?
She said okay, but immediately explained that they call themselves

(01:06:43):
my love sometimes as a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
So that conversation was over. She was a little resentful
after this, though, saying I'm just a little irritated. You
can think this way. I could still not let it
go for two days because my gut feeling was giving
me so much. Something is a miss vibe here, and
I was feeling so bad and I had to learn more.
So I read all the messages they'd sent each other
secretly weirdly at first months ago. There were a few

(01:07:10):
red flags which I would not like but still could
turn a blind I too, like, you're very handsome, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Just another literary inside.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Joke, and him calling my wife you're like my real sister.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Okay, wait wait, it's circled back.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Around and back around.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
And it's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
It's weird, you're really handsome as an odd one, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
You're really handsome, followed by you're like my real sister.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
I feel like I feel like her saying you're really handsome,
and him saying you're like my real blood sister.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Maybe he's trying to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
He's pumping the brakes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, he's like, I love you like a sister.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I feel like she is trying to.

Speaker 8 (01:07:52):
She's trying to put on the gas on the gas,
and he's trying to pump breaks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
But as I got close, sir to the president, I
saw these messages. If you were any younger, I would
totally take you as my boyfriend. I swear, don't call
me sister again in any case. Ha haja. K sends photo.

Speaker 8 (01:08:10):
Love lady, my favorite Tucker. I'm sexy in those photos, though.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Not just in photos, my baby, you were always sexy.
I miss you so much. I forgot to apply to
you my love.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I missed you too so much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
It's okay, baby, set a pick to me. I haven't
seen you a while. Shows new haircut. Did you like
my hair? It's just like you like it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Oh, I'm thinking it's starting to fall in love with you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Weird thing is after these messages, there's also a thanks
sister message, But I don't know if it's a sign
of anything. Of course, I talked to her again about
these conversations, saying that this is Florida, but she was
so upset and disappointed. Her explanation was they are jokes
and Z generation talks like that, telling me things like,
how can you think something like that? He's eight years

(01:08:56):
younger than me. I'm so disappointed in you said.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I would date you if you were younger. Maybe she
meant if I were younger.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Oh, if I were younger.

Speaker 8 (01:09:06):
Maybe that's what And maybe it's translated. Maybe even if
I were.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Younger, i'd date if I was eight years younger.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
That makes a lot more sense than if you were younger.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, right now. She went to her mother's house, telling
me she doesn't want to talk about that top again,
telling me you were the perfect husband. How can you
do this to us?

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Dang, So everyone thinks he's the perfect test.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Yeah, everyone, dude, everyone including his wife.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Yeah, he's even my wife thinks it and she's a cheater.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
But of course I'm trying to solve this by going
to relationships counselors. Et cetera. And talking with my most
trusted friends, and they all say this type of communication
between big sister and little brother is so wrong. But
it's tied to the person's character. I never knew my
wife had a habit of stretching the boundaries that much.
I mean, she sometimes calls younger people my love, et cetera.
But isn't this conversation a bit much. The last thing

(01:09:52):
she told me was, I can't help you if you're
unwell like this. You have to solve this by yourself.
We were sweet as heck and she really was a
trustworthy person. But I don't know what to make of
the situation. I need some help here. We got an
edit to the story. I lawyered up Boom boom, nice
and we are getting a divorce. A lot happened since

(01:10:13):
I wrote this post, so I'm going to make another
post about what happened. She's still holding the idea that
I accused her and asked for a contested divorce instead
of consensual for me to prove my allegations, but my
lawyer says the evidence is quite danging. Don't know why
she did that. And we got the update. Let's go
straight into it, so continue the story. She was at

(01:10:33):
her mother's and I was home, but I had an
urgent project to do at the office, so I made
an ultimatum, saying, come to the house and let's talk.
I'll be at the office for three days. If you
don't come, we won't talk at all. She came, but
generally she told me the same stuff, like he's too young,
i'd even consider you would think this way, et cetera.
I also asked her what if the roles were reversed
and she saw me talking to a young girl like that.

(01:10:54):
She told me it's okay. If she's like a sister
to you and you're close, then that's normal. And I
also mentioned the lipstick issue, where she sulked about it
for five months, and then she told me, I believed
you back then when you said it was a good
hearted gesture. Why don't you believe me now? What's the
lipstick issue?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
We weren't told about any lipstick issue.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
I believed you back then when you said it was
a good hearted gesture. Why don't you believe me now?
If you don't trust me, was our eight year relationship
for nothing? And of course, none of these statements were
fitting my logic, but there were two very spicy related
sentences in there. When I mentioned those, she was like, yeah,
that's inappropriate. I don't know why I said those things,
the kind of shocked face.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
It's like, oh my god, I said that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I mean, I must have been in a stupor.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
At the end of the conversation, I said I had
to go to the office, but before I went, I
had to do a test. I told her I forgot
something in the conversation and I wanted to look at
her phone. She said, okay, went to the other bathroom,
told me the phone battery had no battery, left, took
her phone to the toy with her, came out and
put her phone on charge. She was very careful and
she was protecting her phone from my gaze and showed

(01:11:58):
me only this and I asked about then pulled back
the phone. She also had a password for the screenlock
now which she didn't normally have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
That's not suspicious at.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
All, very very weird. When I was at the office,
she sent me two screenshots explaining the two very spicy
related sentences, telling me all kinds of explanations like it
was an inside joke. He told me that I told
him this, etc. But the thing here is that I
realized she deleted some sentences even when explaining things to me.

(01:12:28):
One of them was, don't call me sister in any case, hahajk.
I calmly returned home. She had already put on her
outside clothing. I thanked her for the screenshots and explanations,
but she immediately reacted I didn't send those pictures to
further discuss this issue. I don't want to talk anymore
on this, So she's trying to end it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
Yeah, She's like, like, stop bringing up the past.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
But I remained calm and said, I remember this conversation
was a little bit different. She told me, yeah, I
traveled back in time and made the conversation again. I asked,
did you delete anything when you were sending me the screenshot?
She said, are you joking?

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Of course, not gaslighting, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Told her she deleted a sentence and a voice message.
She first told me, yea, I deleted them because I
was afraid you were going to get angry that. She
got up and told me we're divorcing anyway, and left
the house. This was the fourth time she used the
word divorce in a two year marriage. I called my
parents told them everything. They were shocked to of course,
and they were there for me one hundred percent, And
of course they were stunned the conversation between my wife

(01:13:25):
and Jake. I called her mother too and told her everything,
and she was shocked too. But two days later her
mother called me again and told me she wanted to
have a conversation with me and her daughter. Right now,
I don't even know what she wanted to talk about anymore.
So they came, and at first their explanations were the same.
I asked, what about the phone hiding in the password,
leaving me and telling me we are going to get
a divorce, and then lying to my face, how can

(01:13:45):
I trust you after all these I think that's true. Like,
I don't know how OPI could trust his wife?

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Well, why would he? She hasn't told the truth even now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Yeah, not at all, not at all. After that, her
mother took control of the conversation and told me this,
you nitpicked the conversation. When you look at the whole context,
you don't get any idea of flirting. You just gotta
look at all the messages.

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
If you look at it all to It's like when
you look at something really close. It doesn't make sense.
But the when you step back, you realize that the
whole time it's been a picture of the Eiffel Tower.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
It's just like that, just.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Like the Eiffel Tower, which I'm sure is happening to
your wife. Oh d you're like a bad journalist, picking
only the bad stuff in the whole conversation. I know
my daughter, and I'm sure she can't do something like that,
but she's an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
She doesn't know how I'm talking about her.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
She couldn't discern between talking to a girl and a boy.

Speaker 8 (01:14:45):
She's she's pleading the insanity. I'm sorry, my daughter is stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
You did it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Married a complete dots.

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
Yeah, she just doesn't understand what the difference between men
and women are.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Yeah, she's still learning. Give her a chance. She also
attacked me, saying you're a bad husband, which.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
True, not true.

Speaker 8 (01:15:06):
Everyone including ten and a ten doctors say otherwise.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
You don't set boundaries about how she could talk to
other people and how free she can be. You were
letting her see her male friends.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
You didn't set boundaries, opie. You didn't feed her.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Locker in a closet.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
You didn't locker, and that's not you. I was like,
what the frick at this moment. Then she asked me,
if you trust her, I'll leave her here. If you don't,
I'll take my daughter with me. I told them I
do not. Lastly, she the mother, told me to call
my parents and tell them I was wrong. I nitpicked
the conversation and I called them. My father was like,
what nonsense is this? That doesn't even work like that,
and they left the house in a hurry as they

(01:15:43):
heard my father's response. Two days later, her mother came alone,
gave me the ring and the key to the apartment.
She asked me, I learned you got cheated on in
your last relationship. Did you also get suspicious for no reason?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Then? Too?

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Wait, that's like that's a terrible that's a terrible what
like gone? The mom's so meat also like.

Speaker 8 (01:16:04):
But that doesn't even make sense. She's like, oh, did
you get suspicious for no reason? And your last relationship
when you confirmed got.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Cheated maybe it wasn't confirmed. That isn't Still I'm like,
I mean, you look at these text messages that we've
that we've gone over. It is I mean, it's fairly
obvious over the line. Even the mother's like, my daughter's
an idiot and doesn't know how to respect boundaries, And
it's your fault for marrying an idiot and not setting

(01:16:34):
boundaries with an idiot.

Speaker 8 (01:16:35):
Yeah, and it's your fault for cheating being suspicious of
that she or getting cheated on and being suspicious of
that cheating literally relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Everyone in Opie's life is gaslighting him. The perfect husband,
the perfect, perfect, confirmed, perfect firm, perfect husband, Like, like,
why why did the most perfect people get the most flack?

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
You know, That's what I'm always saying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Yeah, that is what you're always saying, Sophia, a known
perfect person. My friend who was with me told her, no,
he got the proof, and she confessed, and then she said,
there was never a disgrace like that in our virtuous
family for generations. I leave you to your conscience. We
don't want anything. We are awaiting your uncontested divorce papers.

(01:17:17):
What country is this in? Because this is not They're
definitely not English. Her first language, riley, can we look
up where a contested divorce happens? Later, I found a lawyer.
He also told me, I'm one hundred percent in the
right here, even more so legally. She called twice, first
to tell me she changed her mind and wanted a

(01:17:38):
contested divorce, telling me, you smeared me and you have
to prove it. The second time, asking about the divorce,
I told her to talk to my lawyer. Put the
hand up. She called my lawyer asking what evidence will
you submit to the court, and my lawyer told her
why should I give that information to you? Boom, there's
another relevant update. But Sophia, what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Ah man?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I think I think divorce is what you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
I think divorce is definitely what we got to divorce.
I mean, this is I feel like it's pretty clear
cut with these messages that that she's at least, at
the very least hiding something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Yeah, and if you have you have to plead insanity
for your daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
It's not it's not.

Speaker 8 (01:18:18):
I mean yeah, if she's that dumb, then I don't
know if we want to be in a relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Too dumb to be in a relationship. Yeah. Anyway, for
two to three weeks, I was really bad, like I
didn't want to do anything. But I'm okayish now, sank Strong,
even laughing at the series I'm unfortunate eventually, truly, and
that is where that story ends.

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