My brother-in-law DISRESPECTED my brother with Down’s Syndrome…so I told him I'd call the cops on him! - r/BestofRedditorUpdates | Reddit Stories | EP2169 - ok storytime

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
My brother in law insulted my brother with down syndrome,
so I threatened to call the cops on him.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Get a stand on business business.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
My Hobby male forty I female thirty five have been
together ten years, married for five. We bought a fixer
upper two years ago and finally completed upgrades and repairs
just in time to host Christmas. Both sides of the
family came my parents, my brother Frank male thirty and
his girlfriend now fiance, Lilah female twenty nine, and my

(00:45):
Hobby's parents and his brother Todd, male thirty two. By
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go to our slashokey story Time Separate it. So, since
it's relevant, I'll mention that my brother Frank has down syndrome,
graduated from high school and college. He has his BA
in Early Childhood Education. He also has his own apartment

(01:06):
and his own car. He works full time as a
preschool teacher, and his shop loves him. I have freaking
amazing parents, and when Frankie was born, their attitude was
you'll do as much as you're encouraged to do, and
we all invested heavily in helping Frankie, helping frank be
all he can be, which is a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
That's great, great parenting right there.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
All that, I never felt left out or forgotten by
my folks, by the way, they worked really hard to
make sure we both had a great childhood.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
My Hobby and frank are total bros.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Lol.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Frank was his best man in our wedding, and after
being friends with Frankie for a few years, he switched
his job as a high school English teacher to a
special education teacher. It required some extra schooling, but my
dude loves his job so much now and he's so happy,
so obviously, frank is popular in the family. At the party,
I knew my Hobby and Frank were up to something
because they were whispering a lot in grinning. Right before dessert,

(01:56):
Frank stood up and talked about how this year had
been the in his life. He said he wished he
could keep his life this way forever. My hubby pipes
up with if you like it, then you better put
a ring on it, and tossed Frank a ring box.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
He got down on one knee and asked Lilah to
marry him. Oh, lovely, it's cute.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's cute because they got permission, she of course said,
head gap. It was so touching, and honestly, everyone was
crying and hugging and so excited. I noticed my brother
in law, Todd, wasn't smiling and looked pretty irritated. Todd
is single, probably because he enjoys Andrew Taates so much,
and he and my hobby have never been close. When

(02:39):
we all stopped hugging and sat down, Todd muttered finally
under his breath. Everyone heard it, though, because he absolutely
meant us too. I asked if there was a problem.
He said, and I quote, I'm not that interested in
celebrating to our slur people pretending they.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Can have a real life.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I almost caught a charge because I about the old
twelve him is that the censor, oh, the old one,
tued him, there you go.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Frank just laughed at him and asked still.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Single, huh, Frank freaking gotcha, which made everyone laugh. Todd
stepped towards him, and my hubby told him to sit
down and shut up. He also told him he's an embarrassment.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Nice, this is great.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Todd got mad and told my hobby that the embarrassment
was how he pretended that Frank and Lila are actually
functioning adults, and yet they're not the ones making the
scene at the wedding, are they?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Dude, who's the functioning adult now? Certainly not you?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
And that My hubby stood up, yanked Todd's chair out
and told him to get the heck out of our house.
He told him he didn't want to see his face
or hear his voice until he sincerely apologized to Frank
and Lilah. Todd started to refuse to leave, so I
got my phone out and told him I was calling
the cops to escort him out if he.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Refused to leave on his own.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yes, he's been in Dutch with the cops a few
times for wasted and distorted lye and assault, so that
got him to peel out quickly. Hobby's parents were clearly
embarrassed by Todd's behavior, and they left a few minutes later.
After apologizing to Frank and Lilah. We told them they
were more.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Than welcome to stay, but they left anyways.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
This morning, I woke up to a bunch of texts
from Todd demanding I talked to my Hobby and fixed this.
I told him no and blocked him. Then my mother
in law called and asked me to talk to Hobby.
I was kind about it, but I said no. I
told her it's between Hobby and Todd, and I respected
my husband's feelings. She got upset and said that her
family's getting torn apart and I'm allowing it. I told

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her again I was sorry, but that Todd is totally
responsible for this and she needs to take.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
It up with him. She hung up crying. I still don't.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Think Hobby and I were wrong here at all, but
I truly like my mother in law, and those two
definitely got to me. But I refuse to let my
brother and best friend be abused in my home.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Am I the ale here?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
No? Dude?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
In what world are you the a hole? Oh?

Speaker 5 (05:10):
My goodness, she's what the mother in law right is
crying like, oh, don't tear the family apart?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
What the freak is Todd doing?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, come on, let's to use our critical thinking skills here.
Who's who's really tearing the family apart? Is it the
person who's just trying to have a wedding? Or is
it the person who's thrown slurs around?

Speaker 5 (05:28):
If we literally never saw Todd again, if we locked
him in a prison, that would be a joyous thing.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
No one would miss him. Not a single person would
miss him.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Tearing the family apart? Great, perfect, rip it it.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Additional information from Opie.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Opie says, my mother in law has called twice, begging
me to interfere and force a discussion. Her tears break
my heart. But Todd is just so crappy. I'm honestly
relieved that I might never have to deal with him again.
And there are some relevant comments. Should we just jump
into them.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Let's do it. Let's see what they got to saying.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, Commoner one says, not the a hole. Your brother
in law sure has his mom.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Wrapped around his little finger, though embarrassing for her for sure,
But do not even fleetingly consider getting on team Caudle, Todd,
Make no mistake, this is not just about your brother
being insulted. It's also about trying to trick you into
participating in that insult through minimizing and peacemaking. Curious to
know whether Todd and their mom called your husband directly first,

(06:28):
because if not, that's a double black mark against his
family and may explain why your husband was so immediate
in his willingness to call Todd out at that time.
He might have been annoyed by this dynamic often over
the years. Hope, he says, Nope, they just called me
because I've known to have a soft touch. My hobby
has zero patients with their nonsense, probably because he's been
dealing with it with for his whole life.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, I hate Todd. Bro Todd really socks. Tod
is the worst worst.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Todd is definitely the golden child. But I sense they
realized they bet on the wrong horse, so to speak.
Commondo two says, your brother in law. Is it because
your mother in law enables it? Not the Ale Frank
sounds hilarious. Opie says, Frank is the smartay to end
all smart days. He is hysterical. What is so cool
about my brother is that he can gently poke like

(07:18):
that without being mean or ugly.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I love him so much.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Honestly, I feel like getting him for a brother was
the best gift the universe ever gave me. Sweet Commodo
three says you are not the Ale is your mother
in law asking Todd to apologize, Opie says, I can't
imagine she has. When he got a DV charge for
slapping his ex fiance, his mom blamed her for being difficult,
and you like his mom. This is the mom that

(07:43):
you like. Why I don't feel bad for her at all?
I don't like her.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Give them all, Mom, Dad, Todd, go bye.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
We spend very little time with my in laws. I
suspect there's going to be even less now. Commondra four says,
you said that you truly like your mother in law.
Why she excused DV and ableism? She's not a good person.
Why do you feel bad for her because she cried?
Is crying enough to excuse her behavior? You're not the
Ale for not helping excuse his actions. But I'm wondering

(08:14):
why you think your mother in law is so great?
Opi says, excellent question. She's always been controlling, but she's
sweet and delicate about it, if that makes sense. My
husband kept our contact minimal so i'd see her on
her best behavior. The only time I didn't was when
Todd got arrested and she blamed the woman he slapped.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
She's difficult and it was just a slap. Oh that's
the mom saying she's difficult and she was just a slap.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Dude, mom.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
No.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
We didn't see them for almost two years after that,
until father in law developed cancer. Mother in law knew
how grossed out we were about her defending Todd, and
she apologized profusely, saying she was wrong and that Todd
knows she was ashamed of him. My hobby called her
apology a load of crap later, but I bought it,
I guess, probably because in my family, if someone apologized,

(09:01):
they meant it.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Honey, this is not your family.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
This is absolutely not your family, clearly. But when father
in law got sick, we reconnected, and now here we are.
Let me assure you, though my tolerance for her is
gone for good. I feel like an it for falling
for it at all. And there is an update same
day four hours later. Update Todd is on Reddit and

(09:23):
loves the Ami the Ale group. He talks about it
at Christmas. That's pretty much why I posted this. He
saw this and my mother in law called and asked
me to remove it. I said, no, don't remove it.
Let everyone know how much of a problem she is.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Frient posters all over town, rend me billboards.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, keep away from this woman. She says that it's mean.
I told her tod is mean her, and I'm done
so true. I told her the post stays up and
that I'm never asking hobby.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
To meet with them again. Smart.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I am the Ale I know for encouraging my hobby
to have contact with them. And I've apologized Frank's opinion
on all of this is the but he hasn't wasted
time on ales in the past, and he's not starting now.
I apologized him too for inviting my brother in law
in the first place. Lila is as snarky as Frank,
and she told.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Me no cake for him. Well, she's the best I'm
made of, honor.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
So I am working hard to come up with ways
to make this proposal nonsense up to her.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
And by the way, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Not nonsense that Sofia listening to full episodes with stories
just like this. Just go to Spotify, Apple Podcast or
your favorite podcast app.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
And switch a book a story of time.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
I will it's not nonsense, that's just straight facts.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
And there is a little bit left. But do you
have any final thoughts?

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I mean, guys like cut off Todd, the mod them
off like they're they're woefully misguided. Yeah, woefully misguided, big time.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Anyone excusing Todd needs to excuse themselves out of your life.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Excuse themselves from the room. I don't want to see them.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Just just get him out of here. And that's really it,
point blank period, end sentence.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, there's really nothing I have to say about that.
But to finish this story off, Yes, someone said this
couldn't be true because no one would act like we
did after Todd's comment, My response is that you don't
know Frank. I think you suspect he's childish and throws
fits when he's upset.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
You couldn't be more wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
His stated attitude about people like Todd is that he
refuses to act just because someone else chooses to. As
for everything else, Yes, my hubs is the best. I
had a ridiculously privileged childhood and I know that and
I'm grateful, and that is the end of that story.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
There we go lovely, hopefully get him the freak.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Bye bye, bye bye. I don't even want to see ya,
bye bye. But that's the end of that story.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
That story.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
I deleted my niece's graduation pictures because she's being ungrateful.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
She deserved it.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
This comes directly from the r slash okay story time
supread it?

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Oh boy, what of our own OPI you have put
yourself in a hole here, get out context.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I'm thirty and my niece nineteen is someone who I'll
refer to as Denise. My sister Elliott, now thirty eight,
had Denise when she was only eighteen.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Growing up during my teen years around fourteen to sixteen
and even later on, I had to maybe sit my
niece quite often because my sister wasn't over her party
phase even well into her twenties. Mid and late she
would lie about having to work late, she would go
to bars, hang out with guys, and then go on
several dates. Luckily, at some point in the night she
would be home to sleep or put the kids to bed.

(12:31):
By the way, this comes from a lonely bone eleven
and If you want to submit your own stories, go
to the r slash Okay Storytime exep Brenda.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
This could be you.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
So I'll note that one year she moved in with
my mom and me and made me share a room
with her two kids so that she could have privacy
in alone time with her boyfriend. My mom would always
tell her something but never enforce it, saying that she'd
rather have the kids safe with her than with someone else.
She was always playing the sick card, saying that her
head hurts so much.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I would end up being the one watching my niece
and nephew, but mostly my niece.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
I would always call my sister out on her bs,
but she would pull the victim card and act as
if it never happened, or make me feel guilty for
calling her out.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Luckily, she's much better now.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
She still goes out and probably prefers it overparenting, but
she's become somewhat of a better mother anyway. Somewhere along
the way, my niece grew up to be stubborn, spoiled,
and more focused on her looks and boys, boys.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Boys, boys boys.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
She currently lives with my mom and me until she
finishes high school because she likes this district better.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
She graduates in three weeks.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
I live with my mom because she got heavily ill
and almost passed away, so I stayed to help her
with bills and drive her places. Luckily, we have a
lot of land, and I'm not ashamed of being here.
For more context, I'm a jewelry designer photographer, and I
also design clothes and punk jackets that do pretty well
at my vendor gigs. All right, About two years ago,
I tried to get my niece interested in at least photography.

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I've told her that if I'm ever sick, she could
take over and make some money when I'm out, or
I have her help me with bender gigs and I'll
pay her for the help. I also work at a
clinic Monday through Friday. Wow, sop, he's just doing it all.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
How many jobs did she just mention she had?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
At least five.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
She doesn't always help, and I'd say that she hardly helps.
But on other days I also invite her out to eat,
take her to the Pleshy arcade, get her snacks and
so on. One thing to note about her is that
she can get very annoying, and she knows it. She
likes to scare people and play pranks. She presses certain
buttons and won't stop messing with you. It's like she
thrives on seeing you on edge and mad. So fast

(14:34):
forward past all our drama and arguing over the year.
Since she's about to graduate, I spoke to her very
nicely about how I would love for her to go
to her prom because this is something that she would
remember for a long time. My sister and I were
coordinating a time for me to take her dress shopping.
Before my niece agreed to go dress shopping. Of course,
she argued a lot about how she wasn't going to
prompt Her mother ended up convincing her. I finally took

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her to get a dress, and I told her that
as a gift for her graduation barely passing school, would
take her graduation pictures and she could use those as
her prom photos as well.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I ended up scheduling the photos.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
For last Sunday, and of course she threw a huge
tantrum with her mother and a huge tantrum with me
and my best friend Ralph, who by the way, is
like an uncle to her and does a lot of
things for her as well. She threw a tantrum because
she wanted these expensive nails done at the saloon. My
sister nicely told her that because she was planning a
graduation party for her and had already paid one hundred

(15:28):
dollars for her prompt ticket, she couldn't afford these expensive nails,
but she would be happy to get her some cheaper
ones or let her use the machine to make press
on nails that would last at least two weeks.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
There we go, and maybe if you worked a little
bit with op you could have gotten some cash to
throw down on some nails.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
See, gonna be smart about these things.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
My niece didn't like being told that she couldn't get
the nails of her choice and got very upset. She
told me that she didn't want any photos and that
I could forget about it. In the end, I did
convince her to get the nails done. I told her
that she would regret it when she gets old, and
that it would be something nice for her to look
back on. When I was in high school, my mom
didn't have the money to get pictures of me.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
So I wanted to do something nice for her.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Last Friday, I was helping an emo cover band sell
merch at our local zoo for an event called Feast
with the Beast.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
That was so much crazy cool information.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
In one sentence, she does punk jackets Man, Oh my gosh,
that is amazing. I had to carry a whole cart
full of my own stuffs to sell, plus a table,
a generator, and lights, all by myself, not including the
merchandise I was going to be selling.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
On Saturday. It was the same thing as my sister.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Was holding a vendor market at her job, and she
begged for me to come by Sunday. I was extremely tired,
as I also have a forty hour a week job,
but I still managed to take my niece's pictures on
Saturday in downtown. I also took her out for dinner
and we went to the Plushy Arcade. Fast forward to
Tuesday and Wednesday. She had to stay after school both
days to make up hours, and of course she asked

(16:56):
me to pick her up, which I did. She waited
for me since I have to wait until I get
clocked off at work, and since we're going through a
new process at work, I had to stay a little
later than usual to sign some paperwork so that I
wouldn't lose my job. When I picked her up, I
was a hot mess. My hair was undone, my legs
were ashy, and I was wearing house clothing. I was
very tired. Indeed, I also work from home some days,

(17:18):
and this happened to be one of those days. My
mom had to go out of town, so my niece
and I were the only ones at home. Asked her
nicely if she would go down to the store to
grab some things to make a salad.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
She did, but with some huffs and puffs.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
That same night, I was planning to edit her photos,
which would be on Wednesday, May seventh, so I decided
that I would get some coffee. Since I'm having issues
with one of my car windows, I didn't really want
to go through the drive through. I asked her as
nicely as possible if she would be okay with going
down to get the coffee for me, since I was
clearly embarrassed to go out in public looking the way
that I did that day.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
That's when all heck broke loose.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Oh what, Oh?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
No, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
She started going eight.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
She's crazy, yelling at me, throwing things in the car,
and accusing me of treating her like a slave.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
Oh my gosh, No, you're just very entitled miss, and
you can't.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
You just don't do anything whatsoever. This is crazy.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
You literally just have to do her a solid and
let her not go in public feeling embarrassed.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
Dude, I'm just surprised she's gone so far in life
just whining and getting whatever she wants and not like
this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
You know.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
I was kind of confused at like her age at first,
because like, I know, they said the ages.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
But I forgot him, but like teenager?

Speaker 6 (18:31):
She said, Yeah, she's a teenager now she's clearly graduating
high school. And like I, at first when she was
talking about it, I was like, oh, so is this
like when she's a toddler when she's throwing all these
tantrums as a toddler. But no, no, this is this
is fully a graduating either adult or almost adult.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, so this is crazy.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
She told me that getting me a few things at
the store was already enough. I told her those meal
items were for both of us, so I could make
dinner for us. She yelled back, same, she didn't care,
didn't like whatever I bought. Not to mention she lost
my credit card the previous day when I got her Starbucks.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Bro, how dude, how lost Yeah, she actually lost it.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't trust it.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
She's going to find a way to pay for them nails. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
So I sat in the parking lot asking her to
calm down, explaining that I was only asking for a
simple favor and that it wasn't okay to throw in
my face all the things that she supposedly did for
me in the past. She was indeed yelling any little
thing that she thought she had done for me, she
threw it in my face. She started laughing in my face,
claiming that I was only mad because she didn't get

(19:36):
down for the coffee. That honestly hurt my feelings because
I like to do things out of the kindness of
my heart without throwing them back at someone else's face later.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I wasn't upset that she didn't go down.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
For the coffee.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
I was upset because she was throwing everything back in
me that she.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Claims to have done for me.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
If you're going to do something out of kindness, just
do it without reminding someone later about it.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I clearly told her this.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
And explained that she never heard me mentioned all the
nice things that I've done for her in the past,
I've let her use my car when she wants to
go to the gas station or store.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
If not, I always drive her. There's so much.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
More that I've done for her, and she just yelled back,
telling me that she never asked me to do those
things for her.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
She never asked me to buy her dinner.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
All those times she yelled at me, saying that she
didn't even ask for graduation pictures and that me and
her mom were forcing her to go to prom. She
even started yelling that my friend Ralph doesn't do anything
for her, even though every time she wants to go
to her mom's house, which is a forty five minute
drive from mine, he always takes her. He's also a
hairstylist and always does her hair, including for prom. She

(20:38):
was complaining about everyone and everything. On the way back home.
She refused to put her seatbelt on. When I got home,
I started to put the groceries away and washed a
few dishes to get dinner started. After washing a few dishes,
I went outside to speak with my mom about what
had happened. When I came back in the house to
finish where I left off, I turned the faucet on
for the sink and there's a hose attached to it.

(20:58):
It just so happened turned on randomly, and I got
my whole face and the top of my.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
T shirt wet.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
No, obviously I knew it was my niece trying to
play a prank on me.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh my gosh, she's after you. Man, literally, I have
to get you.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'm glad she thought of this mild prank, because.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Anything else she could be much worse.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Oh my god, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
That is just so crazy, though, and so disrespectful.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's the internet, man, definitely old enough that name phone.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I don't know. I think this has gotta be I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
It's probably it's something about how she's been raised, or
maybe just being stupid teenagers.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, I think a.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Little bit of both, I would agree. She just happened
to be in the kitchen eating an instant soup, and
she went crazy on me, yelling profusely that it wasn't
her when the water got me wet. She blamed me
for getting some water in her soup, but she started
pushing me through her soup all over the floor, and
then got a bottle of windex and sprayed it in

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my face.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Girl, well, what is happening?

Speaker 4 (22:02):
What's going on here?

Speaker 6 (22:03):
This literally feels like Tom and Jerry like just doing
all these red like like, be careful for any any
rakes that are gonna be on the grind step in them.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
The thing's gonna hit your face like this, what's gonna happen?

Speaker 6 (22:16):
She's she spilled her soup on the ground while yelling,
and its sprayed you in the face with windex goodness, gracious,
oh my god. This is so insane that could probably
make you go blind.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Next to her eyes.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah, I told her that some water didn't compare
it to a chemical and she ended up breaking the bottle,
spilling it all over the floor. What She tried to
push me and grabbed my wrists, so I slapped her
wrists so she could get off me. Then she tried
to hit me. I called her mother after that. She
wasn't surprised, but didn't give me much reassurance. I later
heard the two of them and talking on the phone
about what happened. She was giving her mother a sob

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story about how she had vinyls and some tests to
make up. Yet not once during this time had she studied.
She always says that she does and have any homework,
and is always on the phone speaking with her friends
over video chat talking about the most ridiculous nonsense. Not
once this year have I seen her study for anything,
And if you tell her so, she gets upset, claiming
that nobody is there to help her with schoolwork.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I told her I was going to be deleting her.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Graduation pictures because she was very unappreciative, boiled and conceded,
she yelled at me some more, saying that she didn't
ask for those pictures to be.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Taken, So I'm going to delete the photos all right.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
I also decided that from now on, I'm not going
to be doing any more favors for her, and I
won't be taking her to school for her graduation practices.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
She'll need to figure that out on her own.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
She asked me for help to get her nails done,
and I decided I will not be helping her out
with that either.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, you might find that credit order you might have been.
You might helping her out, y'a.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
Honestly, so would I be the a hole for deleting
her photos? Thank you for all the advice and PS.
I also spoke to my mom and she'll need to
punch her out of the house as soon as she
graduates and send her back to live with her mom.
Uh And there is a little bit more to the story.
But do we think that op is the a hole?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
No? No, I mean maybe not edit the photos. You
can keep the photos. Maybe not edit them.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, you definitely don't edit them.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Don't send it to them, you can keep them.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
She might change, seems like she's gonna have to go
through a lot in life for her to change.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, dude, her mom has not done her any favors,
not at all. Imagine someone talking to you like this,
if someone did.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
That to me, and when you're like, literally their their
parental figure. Like I know she's not her actual mom,
but she has been acting like a mom her whole.
So like that is no way to talk to your
parents at all.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I don't think you'd be the whole. It sounds like
she doesn't even want the pictures, so honestly, like this.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
Is not even like I if you want to do
this to get back at her, I think something else.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yea yeah, no, no, no, you know.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
But but because of that, if you want to just
delete them, just so you know, you can feel like
you've done something, do it because she doesn't even care.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
But there is a little bit more to the story.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
And there's a lot more of us on iHeartRadio, Apple, Podcast, Spotify,
whatever your favorite podcast app is to search Okay Storytime,
and you're gonna find to many more full episodes with
more stories just like this one. So you can listen
to that late there, but for now, you can listen
to the rest of this story.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
So update.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
I forgot to mention that the same day we argued,
she was trying to cover herself with this sweater that
she had so I wouldn't talk to her. What after
acting delusional, I took her sweater and threw it in
the parking lot. I immediately felt bad afterwards, so I
told her about five times to get her sweater, but
she ignored me. When I spoke to my mom about it,
she seemed more upset about the sweater being on the

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ground than the whole situation. That honestly hurt my feelings,
and I left her a not so nice message through
Facebook messengers, voicemail option. I let those feelings get the
best of me at the time, but I did it
to hopefully make her understand that this is not okay,
and we do have some comments.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Okay, do you have any comments before we move on?

Speaker 7 (25:54):
I know, just take a step back from this, is
it the Yeah, Nie, step back from helping the sneeze
out for now. She will come around to it. But
I've heard that children that are women teenage years are
more difficult. Yeah, It's like someone said, like boys are
difficult as toddlers, and then girls are difficult at teenagers.
I just think it depends on the kid because I

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was definitely a difficult team. Yeah, my teenage yeers, Me
and my mom always be button heads.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
But really yeah, on my moments.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
But yeah, this team, it feels like literally nothing you
can do is going to be like appreciated and like
helped out.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
So then don't help her out.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yeah, make her figure out public transit, That's what I
meant to say, you know, make her figure out how
to ride the bus, make her figure out how to
drive for herself. Yeah, you know, how to work get
a car license. Yeah, but we do have some comments comments.
Drumber One says, WHOA, that's a whole lot of dysfunction.
That's very sad. I don't think you're wrong for deleting

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the photos. After all, she said she didn't ask for them,
so why would she care if they're deleted. She's got
to go back to mom. This is her mess she created.
You have spent most of your life trying to help, support,
and love your sister and niece, and they both do
not appreciate or value your time, effort, and money that
you spent making their lives better. It's time for you
to do some self love this time. Set boundaries with
your family. No longer be a doormat and making everyone

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else's life easier to the detriment of your mental and
physical health. Protect your peace, value and give to people
who value and give back and help your response. Unfortunately,
I just feel they are too dysfunctional and always point
out my flaws versus the good things that I've done.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
So, yes, you are right, it's time for change.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
In the past, I ended up just feeling bad for
us arguing, and I ended up just going back and
forgetting about the argument. I continue to do things for her,
and I almost would like doing.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
It that again.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
Yesterday she was trying to act like nothing happened. But
I decided that I'm going to keep my word and
I'm not going to do anything for her anymore. Someone responds,
I am sorry, I know this is hard. You're right,
you can't continue this pattern if they flip out and
hate spills out of their mouths about you, and then
when they get over the anger and something from you,

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they ask like nothing happened and everything is fine.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
But that's not fair to you.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
You are not their old one twoing bag, yet you
are left with all the mental and emotional trauma. You
will have to be strong and it will be tough.
They are going to lose their minds when you break
the cycle. They will struggle with the change, but they
can adapt. We all have to adapt to life's changing
circumstances and they can too. And we have comments. Or
Number two says, the consequence doesn't.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Fit the crime.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
You already took the pictures, deleting them is just spiteful
and petty. A true consequence would have her cleaning up
the noodles, placing the wind decks, apologizing, and not getting
any more rides from you. You could also not make
her dinner, not take her to the plushy arcade, and
not ask her for any more personal help, not expect
her to take over your business.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
And yeah, she's out once she graduates.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
The reality check is that just because your family doesn't
mean that she gets.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
To treat you like crap.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
As the adult here, you asking her for help getting
coffee or whatever. You are teaching her kindness and then
you should thank her when she does a kindness and
this kindness builds. For whatever reason she is feeling put upon,
you don't start screaming about being a slave without builds
up resentment, which probably means she doesn't feel appreciated.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
She seems like she may have.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Very little control over her life, waiting for rides, borrowing cars,
told to go to prom et, cetera. She is lazy
and entitled, but once she takes actual accountability for her life,
she should grow up and mellow a bit. Sounds like
your sister took a long time to get there too,
so don't sink to her level.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Don't be petty or vindictive. Keeping the peace.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
Isn't your job, but finding your own piece is also.
Take some time for self care. You're carrying a lot,
so find some time for yourself, moisturize your ash yourself,
and take yourself on a date. And that is the
end of that story.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
It's pretty good advice right there.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Honestly, Yeah, that was a really good comment.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
Yeah, you don't owe this girl anything. You've done so
much for her. Yeah, she just doesn't. I used to
be like this is one mom. Yeah, I was very
you know, only I would only talk to her when
I wanted something, And after moving out, kind of noticing that.
Being on my own, now I call her to check
up on her. Yeah, not whenever I need. I ran
out of shorts and I needed to buy me shorts,
right right.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Yeah, honestly, I was very pro like deleting the pictures,
but that comment is right, just hang on to the pictures,
don't edit them. Yeah, but it doesn't hard to hang
on to them. You already did that work. So honestly,
it's kind of a disservice to yourself. Yea, alitam I
guess in that way. But yeah, that is true and
in separate yourself. But like that commentary said, don't sink
to her level.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
That's true.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
That is good because after all, even though she's bratty,
she is the kid at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, that's you can't you can't fix that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah, hey, John Ogi host here, we're gonna get back
to this episode, but a quick three minute break of
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Speaker 4 (30:38):
My father in law is lying about his occupation and
we all know it.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Liar, liar pants on fire.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Running around all right. A few years ago, my thirty
male wife thirty three female reconnected with her estranged father,
sixty six male, who was described as a con man
and a compulsive liar. It had apparently surfaced that the
reason behind all of this supposed lying was that he
was working under cover with the US Marshal Service the

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entire time and wasn't able to tell his family for
operational security reasons. He just he literally watched the movie
US Marshals with Tommy Lee Jones and that was it.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, It's like done, I got it.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
He's like, that's me. That's actually my life. I'm committing
to that. Every job he had had and got fired from,
and every sham marriage he'd had after his divorce from
my wife's mom was suddenly explained away as being part
of his cover. By the way, this comes from user
throw Away Fake Cop And if you want to submit
your own stories, go to the r slash Okay Stories.
I'm subburn in so naturally. I was immediately suspicious, as

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claiming to be a spy is a textbook strategy for
compulsive liars to conveniently have a blanket excuse for everything.
But he supposedly had proof that he showed my wife
mainly US Marshall memorabilia, metals, badgers' stories, et cetera, and
he seemed to be having a positive effect on my wife,
so I didn't want to look like a crazy person
looking to cause trouble for no reason, and let it

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be literally, you're.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
So right though, Yeah, it's the fakest thing.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
I'm a spy. Actually, no, you just don't understand. That
was all for my cover. Over time, he started doing
the overprotective dad act and started getting threatening and critical
towards me, to the point that he started making vague
threats to use his standing with the US Marshals against me,
the kind of stuff that isn't explicit, but heavily implied

(32:31):
that he could get me brought up on trumped up charges,
get unwanted police attention brought on me to psych me out,
etc et cetera. Usually this wouldn't phase me, but given
the recent climate with Trump being a legal immigrant, it
has me seriously worried that I could get deported for
so much as an incorrect lane change. This also made
me start getting suspicious because certain things didn't add up,

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and a lot of these came out when his wife
suddenly divorced him out of nowhere. He was in the
process of setting up a drone production company more on
this later, and claimed that the US Marshals were paying
him with surplus drones rather than a salary. But yeah, yeah, okay, sure, sure,
I have no experience with the government sector, but it

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seems ludicrous to me and like it'd be a huge
mess of red tape to pay someone with material items
rather than a salary like everyone else. I am also
not too familiar with that, but I gotta I'm gonna
go ahead and say you're right about that. Op I
would too. He said he had pictures of a harmful
act he endured while supposedly serving a warrant on a

(33:36):
fugitive who hit him with a two by four. He
had an illustrious history to go with it, but there
wasn't any mention of receiving any compensation or health care
paid time off. You know, anything you hear about an
officer usually getting when injured in the line of duty.
He repeatedly borrowed thousands of dollars for us to pay
for experimental surgery that the government nor his insurance would

(33:58):
pay for. After the divorce, his wife had no idea
while we were talking about, leaving us to believe the
money actually went towards the drones mentioned earlier. He also
showed us some of the pew pews in his collection,
which he said were loaned to him by the US
Marshall Service. This guy is wild. I vaguely used to
have an interest in the pew pews, so I was

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familiar with some of them, but what he said didn't
seem to add up. He showed a Mossburg five hundred,
which seemed legit enough, but when he brought out the
AR fifteen variant, which looked like a regular M four
to me, but instead he insisted it was a special
variant called an M six. Never heard of an M
six in my life, but again, I'm not an expert.
That's literally from call duty. After his wife divorced him,
he has literally no income except for his Social Security.

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He's moved into a tiny shack of an apartment that
he can't afford and is constantly begging for money from everyone.
Maybe I'm naive, but surely someone who's presumably served in
the US Marshals for as long as he has, which
is at least over twenty years, would have some kind
of pension or support or something. His undercover stories also
don't add up. He was the manager of for a
county but was exposed for lying about having certain degrees,

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but that was supposedly an undercover mission, and an expose
was a cover to get him out safely. Afterwards, he
injured his back because he got into a wreck driving
a truck while on meds for a trucking company and
spent years recovering from a broken back while penniless. That
was also supposedly undercover, but he had no explanation as

(35:24):
to why they didn't help him after supposedly getting disabled
while in the line of duty. He had a sham
marriage after that that lasted a few months. Again, supposedly
he was undercovered because the lady worked for Boeing and
he was meant to investigate them. I'm worried about this guy.
He gotta do a wellness check. Yeah, father in law
is rapidly falling down a rabbit hole of delusion. Everyone

(35:50):
needs like some level of delusion or make believe to
turn yeah, to make you know, gi give the life
a little jussance, you know, a little spice interesting. But
you know that's like an inside thing. You're like, yeah,
you're just like driving your truck and job and you're like,
I'm working for the US Martin right now, I'm undercover.
And that's like and that makes your life a little

(36:10):
you know, a little cool it maybe a little bit it,
but like fun with it. Yeah, exactly, it should be fun.
This isn't fun anymore. This is this is becoming concerning. Yes,
like instead of like what's he doing, it's like he
needs help. Yeah, clearly, yeah, but let's continue. His history
is full of jobs and firing and marriages like this.

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We're only aware of four marriages, but there may be
as many as six. His most recent wife divorced him
because she found out he was lying about the drone
business and taking money from her to fund it. The
more I type these, the more ridiculous they sound. At
this point, I am ninety percent sure he's lying or
stretching the truth. Maybe he went for a ride along
a few times or was made a special deputy temporarily

(36:53):
or was even contracted as a civilian to help them.
But I'm almost certain that he's being a phony. It's
just possible to confront him about it because he either
gets threatening or will tell the most elaborate, meandering stories.
My wife has since cut him out, so there's no
real stakes other than us one enclosure about whether he's
lying for sure or not. Is there an official channel

(37:16):
I can go through to verify his claims and if not,
are there any surefire tell tale ways I'm able to
know whether he's lying? And there are some comments I
will say that I think his theory that like maybe
there was like one thing that happened, yeah, where he
worked alongside the US mark like he was never he

(37:38):
was just like involved in it tangentally like yeah, and
then he just grabbed onto it and made it his
whole identity.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
This really does feel like you're talking to a child,
Like you're talking to a child who was like you know,
some firefighter who was like all right, or policeman like
went to their school and was like, okay, between you
and me, I'm gonna give you this very special badge.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
This means that you can get into any room in
the whole town.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
They give me a plastic badge, yeah, like star FBI.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
Yeah exactly, And then they're just like, yeah, all right,
welly daddy.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah I work for that.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
They they have to keep it like really quiet, and
they're taking it really seriously, but also want people to
know how cool they are. You're like, I'm a spy.
It's pretty cool, but you can't know anything about it.
You just have to give me money for undercover reasons.
From everything that we're hearing, it feels like these are
all reasons to believe that it's all fake.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I don't know. Yes, especially dude, you know it's fake
because he's not getting medical help. Yeah he's disabled from
a car accident. And the yeah he's not a part
of I mean, I know there's not a great track
record of you know, like the v A in the
government like helping people get that stuff as fast as possible.
But regardless, we got comments. Let's see what the comments
to say. Let's see boy. Comment number one says he

(38:56):
claimed that the US Marshals were paying him with surplus
drones rather than a sad salary. Uh Nope, that would
never happen. That is not how the federal government operates.
He showed me some of his pewpews in his collection.
He said he was loaned by the US Marshal Service. No,
the marshals don't loan out weapons like their garden tools.

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Surely someone who's served as long as he has in
the US Marshals would have some kind of pension or
support or something. Yes, you would be right, and it
would not be an insignificant sum either. This is all BS.
It is sort of fascinating though, to be so committed
to such an elaborate lie. Yes, fascinating, but also sad
to go through life like that. And there's an edit
to add. Someone DM me about the pewpews being loaned,

(39:39):
and I am here to tell you it would not happen.
Every weapon, holster, bulletproof, vest, clip, right down to a
box of bullets. Everything is cataloged, accounted for, and is
either assigned or checked out or in and these records
are audited on a regular basis. If anything went missing,
especially a firearm, somebody is going to be in a
world of hurt. The league term of art would be felony.

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That is, that does make sense because I recently read
something someone said that the US military isn't even like
a it's it's a logistics company that like also does work,
but they're literally just about it's all logistics from the
top down. Yeah, like sense, so every bully it is
all catalog like this. Yeah, they're not just giving this
stuff away. Sure on loan. Sure comment to says you

(40:24):
repeatedly let him borrow thousands of dollars. He's a piece
of crap and scamming you. You need to warn your wife, Oh,
he says, I'll be honest. He played us like a
fiddle there. You were having marital problems at the time,
so I'd have looked like the bad guy for saying
no to this experimental life saving surgery. He would literally
talk our ears off for hours about all the details

(40:45):
about these surgeries. And my wife still trusted him at
the time, so she gave him the benefit of the doubt. Yeah,
and it's like, this is your wife's dad, yeah, being
like I need money for experimental surgeries. It's like if
you're just like no way, right, yeah, it's gonna be
and your wife is like what, like yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
You're already having problems, it's like might get you a
little closer to divorce if you play your cards wrong.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Yeah, that was definitely the path of least resistance. Yeah,
I think that was the right move.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
He asked to borrow the money under the pretense that
he had money on the way from the US Marshals
and he'd be able to pay us back in a
matter of weeks. He just didn't want to worry his wife,
which conveniently gave him the pretense to make us not
ask her any questions. Finding out this was a lie
was one of the catalysts behind my wife cutting him out.
We aren't rich by any means and could have desperately

(41:34):
used that money during the VID and only did it
because he convinced us it was a matter of life
and death and he'd pay us back. When confronted about it,
he told my wife to her face, I wouldn't have
asked for that amount of money if I could have
paid it back that soon. Coming number three, he says,
US Marshal Service has a mandatory retirement age of fifty seven.
If he is retired, he would have check stubs even
if direct deposited. You can retire as early as fifty

(41:57):
as long as you have twenty five years or at
fifty seven with twenty years, LWRC makes a model based
off of the AR platforms they call NM six. He's
full of crap op, he says. Whenever question about this,
he said he was contracted by them and that's why
they were able to pay him with drones. Oh, we
need to find you some friends. We need to find

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you a hobby. We need to get you into, like
a club of some kind.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Can I get you into like a LARPing group or something? Yeah?
Or like go play pretend.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Anytime he needed reasoning for anything, it was I'm a
contractor for the US Marshals. But my understanding is that
could mean anything. You could be contracted to be a
janitor cleaning their toilets, and you could say you're contracted
by the US Marshals. That doesn't mean you have any
authority with them. A cursory check of Wikipedia said, Okay,
this is just more okay blah blah blah. Comment number four.

(42:46):
Sometimes I mvy pathological liars. It must be so fun
you could just dive into your imagination and make stuff
up all the time. Honestly, he should really channel it
into being a show rider. For one of those bad
cable FBI shows. I guess if you cared that much,
you could run a background check on him. He's going
to continue to lie regardless and say that's just his
cover story, but it might give you and your wife

(43:07):
some peace of mind. Op says, what are some resources
I could use for that? I'm considering hiring a private
investigator when we have the disposable income, but I was
scared he would find out when we hired him. I
suppose that no longer applies. Now there's an edit. My
wife did a few cursory background checks for like twenty bucks.
But the problem is he uses a million variations of

(43:28):
his name and all that came up was multiple bankruptcies.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Well well, well it may.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Look like he's bankrupt, but he's actually getting that sweet
sweet drone money from the US.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Marshals exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Because it's not liquid assets, you know, it doesn't get taxed,
So really he's playing the long con.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Ah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
She's also saying that he committed check fraud in his
ex wife's names so it couldn't be traced back to him,
which was the reason behind many of his divorces. We
get a call right now from the US Marshals, and
they're just like, you need to stop talking about this.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You got it, you gotta quit it, you gotta quit it.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Very dangerous waters will pay you in drones if you
stop talking about this. We are going to attend Thanksgiving
with him next week and I'm going to ask him
a few carefully crafted questions that I got from this thread.
I'm also going to get in contact with the US
Marshals proper and make an inquiry.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
How can you do that? Stop something?

Speaker 4 (44:24):
It's a waste of time. I think it just needs
to be like, I'm not gonna call the US Marshals,
I'm gonna call the doctor. Like my father in law
has such incredibly deep seated delusions that I worry for him. Yes,
this is a man who owns firearms.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, that honestly great.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
Point great might not have those solutionional man with with
very dangerous military weapons?

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yes, actually is it military grade?

Speaker 4 (44:49):
I'm sure moss break those are like that will put
a large cavern in somebody. Really that was not there before?

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Oh great, great, perfect person.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Oh yeah, I'm worried. I'm worried about him. I'm gonna
try and document what happens and report back to this thread.
It's just very difficult because he talks for hours and
hours and hours with pointless anecdotes, so it's hard to
parse actual usable information and not space out, which I
suspect is a strategy he relies on. All right, update

(45:20):
number two here we go. Sorry, I did an update,
but it's not very exciting. We attended Thanksgiving, but it
was uneventful because kids were constantly running around distracting everyone,
and there wasn't really a moment that allowed us to
confront him that wouldn't have been forced or awkward. Father
in law arrived and wasted no time, acting pitiful and
like he was passing away, shuffling around, hunched over, pretending

(45:41):
to fall over, and hovering in the kitchen and getting
in everyone's way while showing them videos of ducks he
took at the pond. The implication was clearly that he
was so lonely that ducks were his only company now
and it was our fault. Are we sure this guy's
not just like, really in need of help? He absolutely is, Okay,
I think he knew something was up because he didn't

(46:03):
say a single word either of us the whole night.
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(46:24):
bone of your hands. There's a little bit of story left.
But honestly, like what I mean, if this is your
like father in law or your relative, like what are
you doing here, I think it would.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
Just be the kind of thing where it's just like, okay, okay, Grandpa,
you know, oh wow, you're undercover. Really okay, I'll be
very quiet. I won't tell anyone how I talk to
children as well. Yeah, you know you just the same
kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
It's one of those things where if you let it
get at you and you're like, he's just lying. But
it's like if you just let that go and be like, yeah, dude,
grandpa's lying about being in the US Marshals again, yeah,
that just becomes funny.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Great stories to tell.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
But again, it's like also the I'm shocked at the
lack of any concern whatsoever that he's just so delusional
that he's playing into this line this hard because there's
a difference between your drive and your truck, and you're like,
I'm in the US Marshals, right, and like monologuing for
three hours about being in the US Marshals.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Yeah, yeah, Like I what expect that people are probably
just angry at the amount of money that has been scammed,
but like you know, from them to this guy, and
they're probably just like, I had no more sympathy anymore.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
You gotta just you just have to be punished for this.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
You cannot Yeah, I can't even just play along with
it anymore because this is like crappy what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Well, let's finish this story. Towards the end of the night,
as we were getting ready to leave, sister in law
was close to having a breakdown from the stress, and
they started making it clear that they wanted him to
leave too. We loudly offered to take him with us
to try and prompt him to which he decided he
had to start carving the already pre sliced ham as

(48:08):
a flimsy pretense to force himself to stay.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Gosh so sad, we.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
All literally just stood there in the kitchen while he
slowly agonizingly carved this ham that didn't need to peak
car We didn't want to be rude and yell at him,
so we finally just left and it turned out he
stayed there for another hour or so, leaving at eleven pm.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Oh my god, So that's really it.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
We're ninety nine point nine nine percent sure he's a liar.
I may call the US Marshals proper just to verify
and get receipts, but it seems like a foregone conclusion
at this point. Otherwise we've totally cut him off and
the effort of trying to get any more information from
him is it worth the stress of allowing him in
our lives? And that is the end of that story.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Yeah, at the end of the day, there's nothing you
can do.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Just don't give him money. That's the That's all you
can do. It's poor grand this poor man, poor father
in law.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
I don't know who I'm like more like kind of
mystified by like the grandpa who really thinks or like
I guess the father in law who really thinks that
he can get away with the US marshal line or
that op is like still a little unsure, Like maybe
I'll call the US marshals like you already know.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, yeah, you should have.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
You should have already known.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Trust yourself, man, you're you are correct in this situation.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
So there's no need to go ha gotcha. Yeah. It's
like a hey dad, do you have a do have
you had a brain scan recently? Or like do you
want to maybe get a CT Yeah, just to make
sure there's nothing, you know, festering in your brain or
anything like Hey, it's Sam. We're gonna get back to

(49:51):
these stories.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
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Speaker 6 (49:56):
My mother in law is upset that we didn't tell
her the baby's name first.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
I called DIBs on knowing that.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
My partner and I just recently welcomed our third baby. Congratulations.
All of my births have been scheduled for induction or
a planned C section, so each birth was on the
day and our babies entered the world calmly.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
I always felt blessed for that. By the way, this.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Comes from Juju cat Hulu, and if you want to
submit your own stories, go to the r slash Okay
story Time sept bread it So this one arrived four
weeks early with my water breaking, so we were taken
by the wind.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
With her arrival.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Previous to this, with the global pandemic, work has been
absolutely insane and I was easily giving fifty or more
hour work weeks. The house got away from both my
partner and I. We with each baby, I have a
ritual of deep cleaning, every piece of laundry done, everything
is in order. Given the surprise entrance of our daughter,

(50:51):
everything was the opposite and I had to literally do
laundry to even finish my hospital bag, and I had
to leave for the hospital before anything was finished, so
just to set the scene, everything felt chaotic and literally
three hours after arriving to the hospital, I was in
surgery for delivery. Wow, moving fast. We still had no

(51:12):
name for our baby. Before they took me back, we
began calling family to let them know what was happening.
We called my partner's mom twice, waiting twenty minutes between
each phone call. It came down to the minute and
as they were taking me back, she returned our call,
but we sent her a text to letting her know
what was happening.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
She asked to be updated and absolutely that was no issue.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
When she was born six thirty eight, PM, pictures and
stats were sent, and we confessed that we still didn't
have a name.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
She replied her congratulations and all was well famous last words.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
We finally got back to our room and were obviously
up into early hours.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
As we went back and forth, we chose a name.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
Exhausted, I updated a Facebook post with her name and
to sleep, not thinking much of it. Mind you, I
was so tired I didn't even update my own mother.
I knew I could call her the next day and
it wouldn't be an issue, or so we thought.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Oh think again.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
The next morning, my partner got the following message. I
find it sad that on such a momentous event, the
birth of your daughter, you can't notify me with her name.
Once you both decided on one, I'm only her grandmother.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I can't understand what I.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
Ever did wrong that you fail to, in some small
way connect with me ever so often, Gee, I'm only
your mother. Ironic when from the past hearing raves of
what a wonderful son I raised.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
He's a special young man. We just love him. Blah
blah blah. Who am I again?

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Oh, just a woman who gave birth to a boy
almost thirty six years ago.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
I wasn't perfect as your mother a parent. He'll discover
you aren't either.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
There was so there was much I gave up to
raise a family, and I wouldn't change it for the world,
even homeschooling because it became necessary, even when you refuse
to leave the vehicle for seventh grade.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
I laugh at the Ireland.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Now growing up seventh grain.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
This is crazy, what.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
You never wanting to do the work and then desperately
wanting to be homeschooled. Here's the thing I never neglected
to keep in touch with my folks. Even when obligations faced.
I helped as the need arose. All I know is
I stay connected. My prayers will always be with my grandchildren,
and that someday as they grow older, they experienced the

(53:41):
greatest miracle of all, probably not by their parents, but
with hope and prayer, a cousin, an aunt or an uncle. Again,
congratulations on the birth of Hannah'm a ray to her siblings,
be well, I love you?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Is she gone?

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Like?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
That?

Speaker 6 (54:01):
Was like a perfectly written monologue for someone that was
so insanely dramatic and well thought out.

Speaker 8 (54:09):
Though that is truly the the Shakespear yeah of insane
post birth messages to get from your mom is crazy, Like,
who am I just your mother?

Speaker 4 (54:23):
I wish I could. I wish I could stand in
front of her while she was saying all this, and
I would just.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Go boring boor Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
As I watched my partner read this, I could tell
he was upset by it. It's not something you want
to get after, not even twenty four hours after the
birth of your child. When I read it, I was
instantly angry. The most upsetting part of her behavior was
towards the end. She's extremely religious, so when she went
on about our children experiencing the miracle, she was talking

(54:55):
about God, probably not by their parents. She said in quotes, Oh,
I'd like to mention while we are not married and
we don't worship in the same calculated and devoted way
she does. She basically called us religious failures to not
only our existing children, but the one who has not
been on this earth one full rotation. But you know,

(55:16):
hopefully someone will save them and teach them how to
get to heaven, because to her, their souls were screwed.
Marriage is something we plan on down the line, and
quite frankly, it's no one's rightful business. So for the
first time in ten years i've known her, I spoke up.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Mind all of you.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
I've always respected her, and while I don't understand her
one bit, I've never held it against her. She is
who she is, and she gave me my partner, so
for that, I will always love her. But my respect
for her plummeted. And I replied with this with my
partners read through and permission. He said he didn't know
how to reply, and with his.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Blessing, I sent it.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Hi, O, here we go.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
So I understand expressed some feelings towards Ryan and I
and I just wanted to reach out. Truthfully, I am
upset by your timing and am confused by where you
felt wrong to the chaos of me going into labor
and getting Hannah's name out to you. It seems you
were upset by the fact that we did not update
you in the way that you wanted to be updated,
and I'm sorry if you felt it was intentional or

(56:19):
we were trying to push you away somehow. To be
quite honest, my water broke and suddenly I was having
surgery with a half packed hospital bag at home. Still
I did ask Ryan when we were waiting for me
to go back for surgery if he got a hold
of you, and both calls were missed. When we tried
to call, he did, however, let me know that you
were texting with him. Pictures and post birth stats were provided.

(56:43):
We have been occupied with Hannah's care since as she
is considered premature, so we haven't had the time to
stop and contact everyone individually as frequently as we had
wished this time around. In fact, we didn't even have
a name ourselves, as each nurse asked what to write
on her little name card throughout the evening. We apologize
that giving you her name right away was overlooked. This

(57:04):
baby entered the world in a bit of a chaos,
and we seem to have failed the expectation we should
update you by a certain time. I added her name
to my Facebook post to get a mass announcement out.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
This wasn't done with any intention to upset anyone.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
I'm not aware of anyone else being upset by this,
but maybe it brought up disappointment in other places for you,
as you've now shared, particularly how we have decided to
raise our children and their relationship with religion. It was
stressful to be called not enough in a time where
we are welcoming a new life.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Into this world.

Speaker 6 (57:37):
Right now, I'm going through a hard time with breastfeeding
our premature baby who was losing weight, as it's a
bit of a rougher start for her than my first two.
This feedback by you is unwelcome. We are preoccupied as
new parents, and Ryan is an understanding partner, guiding and
supporting both of us.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I'm amazed by him all over again.

Speaker 6 (57:56):
It was left It was left field to be somewhat
taunted about how hopefully my children will be saved by
a relative, as if they have somehow been failed already.
Rest assured God loves them, with or without a daily scripture. Clearly,
this is an observation you have kept to yourself for
a long time. Again, I apologize if everything above seems sharp,

(58:19):
but honestly we could have used more positive light from
your direction and reading that was and reading that was
in general upsetting. On that note, we do love you
and hope to set up a time where you can
meet Hannah Marie in person. She is very excited to
meet her family, and we will be reaching out once.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
We feel settled. We love you, and we'll send more
pictures soon boom. How we feel about that?

Speaker 4 (58:43):
If I could roll my eyes into the back of
my head right now, I would. Yeah, that was way
too much. I'm sorry, but it's like you're playing your game. Yeah,
you've done exactly what she wanted.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
Yeah, it's just hard when with these like, uh problems,
it's hard when they happen over text like this because
you have to You feel like you have to hit
each point of like what they're saying, girls, it's just
gonna like exist and build resentment or something like that.
But then to do that, you have to like do
an equally long or longer paragraph.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
To explain yourself. And it's just like it's just gonna
be a never ending cycle.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
The rest of that can be talked out in person
if you even want to, but it's like it just
needed to be like a paragraph, max, and it needed
to be like, really disappointed in the way that you've
communicated with us right after the birth of your granddaughter.
You don't need to take shots at your son like
that on what should be one of the most memorable
days of his life. Right again, very disappointed. We'll talk

(59:39):
to you about this later.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah. I like that.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
His mother never replied.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
Days go by, and I honestly was going to let
it go, except that we would never see eye to
eye and she would probably read it and just didn't
want to say anything. Well, yesterday, my sister in law,
who was just as upset by this, shared that his
mother was openly complaining about the whole situation and that
she admittedly never read my message and she didn't plan to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Now I'm angry all over again in all of this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
For all she knew, we didn't call her again because
maybe my partner's phone died. For all she knew, If anything,
she could have called us to check on not only
myself but her son. She instead decides to send some
more righteous, self absorbed person messages on top of it,
and won't even receive a reply to it. We are

(01:00:32):
planning a dinner over there soon so everyone can meet her.
Everyone has been quarantining, by the way, and cases are
very low in our state. And I'm going to be
completely honest, I don't know how I'm going to conduct myself,
let alone get through a whole dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I'm so upset.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
I don't even want her to hold this baby, and
I'm mostly talking out of Ancher And by the way,
we're always over here talking just out of necessity. So
you can listen to it on Spotify, how Radio, Apple podcasts. Oh,
one of your favorite podcasts apps is just search okay storytime.
You can find full episodes with stories just like that's why.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
So, yeah, there's a little bit more into this story.
But any final thoughts before we go into it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
You're kind of you're playing into the game, which you
can do. But yeah, this was like a surprise. It
was at early delivery, Like it was just that they
didn't know they were going to be at the hospital.
There's all this craziness going on. They didn't even have
a go bag, Like, yeah, it was. It was very chaotic, right,
So it's in no way were they intentionally trying to

(01:01:34):
exclude or hurt the mother in law. But mother in
law very much intentionally tried to hurt them. Yeah, So
regardless of like, well maybe they shouldn't have posted on Facebook,
they were not the ones being malicious.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Yeah, absolutely not.

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Yeah, like I don't think that that posting is bad
at all. But yeah, like even if it was hurt,
it's this is a much bigger reaction than I should be,
but there is a little bit, so let's get on
into it. My partner does think that this is stemming
from forgetting to call her on Mother's Day for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
The first effing time ever.

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
Absolutely, he dropped the ball, but who's perfect And we've
literally had the most stressful year in general.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
But I still don't think that that excuses her timing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
I'd also like to point out that I can't even
remember or count on one hand the amount of times
that she's reached out to us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
It seems to be the other way.

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
Around, and not once has she ever called me throughout
this pregnancy to see how I'm doing. How the heck
am I going to move forward and get past my
emotional urge to call her out or do I not
even bother and swallow my pride?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
And we do have some comments. Should I read those
right now? Or do you have some comments beforehand?

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
I mean, the only thing I would say about how
to go about like moving through life with this person
involved in it, just taking away her authority in your head,
because that's the thing that makes it creates like this
my mother in law. But it's like just look at
her as like like an annoy just an annoying kid. Yeah,
you know, because that's what she's been right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
She's resulting to seventh grand's Yeah, she's trying to slam, dunk,
bully her own child.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
Comment to Number one says, it just wow, I'm so
angered on your behalf. I've gotten some crazy emails for
my own parents.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
But you're right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
The narcissism of that during that time, during a time
that you definitely don't need any added stress.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
That takes the cake.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Is your partner outraged, all of the self righteousness regarding religion,
the holding his seventh grade self against him. It sounds
like she is a toxic force in your life. I
would seriously consider cutting her out of your family. She
should realize what is at stake when berating you for
not telling her immediately the granddaughter's name. Does she not
realize that you guys control access to her grandkids? Would

(01:03:52):
he ever consider cutting her out? Nope, her responds, I
could cry thank you for this validation. I was like
hashtag sweaty palms posting this because I feel insecure about
the whole situation. I've known this woman for ten years
and not once has she ever lashed out like this,
so I felt like I was breaking down a while
doing so. A lot of people have said that I'm

(01:04:14):
overly nice in my response to her, But imagine having
no issues with someone on a confrontational level and you
suddenly had to rise to the occasion. Interacting with her
in general can be eggshells. She's very opinionated, she is
very isolated, and a lot of the family on his
side aren't extremely close with her.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
From what I understand as a distant outsider.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
Her daughter, my partner's only sibling, has a very strained
relationship with her. His mom is absolutely included in the family,
but half the time there's unnecessary tension. I think my
partner isn't surprised by it, and while that isn't necessary outraged,
they aren't surprised either when I cut her off, that's
a loaded question. She has a lot of illnesses, so

(01:04:56):
she kind of gets a free pass to a point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
We don't see her a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
I really was hoping that my message would at least
be read, but apparently she gets the final say, and
that's that, and that is that for the whole story.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
You can't get rid of her authority you're yeah, you're
independent adults. I assume you don't rely on this woman
for support or anything. So just start rejecting her sense
of authority.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
If Riley was here, he would say to just call
her and just just talk instead of having problems over text.
Just call It's true and because because yeah, that's exactly
what happens, that you give them the opportunity to have
the last laugh just like that, and or to just
not say anything at all, and then it's like, okay, great,
now that's still a problem and nothing that's been resolved.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
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