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r/AITA_WIBTA_PUBLIC - WIBTA for Tearing my Fiancé's Cousin a New Hole if He Doesn't Back Off When I Tell Him to at the Family Christmas Get-Together? (A Lot of Backstory)
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
My fiance's cousin is problematic, but the whole family keeps
defending him.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Cut him out.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Trigger warning brief mention of animal views slash animal death.
This will probably be a long post, but there's a
lot of information and I'd like to not miss anything.
I don't remember all of these events clearly, but I
will state if it's a blurrier memory or not. Older
events are definitely more blurry. First post on Reddit bear
with me. I would really like it from an outside perspective.
(00:45):
By the way, this comes from Maine Astronaut eighteen eighty three,
and if you were to spear your old stories, go
to our slash Okay Storytime subreddit. So it's sort of
a catalog of everything I've noted about this cousin. We'll
start from very early into mine and my fiance's really ship.
We've been together for two years since May of twenty
twenty two, and This was July of that year that
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I met his cousin for the first time, who I
will call Travis. Fake name for fiance shall be Matt.
All Right, I twenty seven, female, am introverted, and I
am not a huge fan of crowds. But Matt thirty
mile invited me over to his uncle's birthday party and
I agreed to go, thinking it would be a smaller
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kind of get together. It definitely wasn't on the small side,
but I managed and was introduced to plenty of people.
All right, okay, little party, Someone said, is Riley taking
Angie on today? I've not seen him preene so much? Ever?
Was preen read?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's like like I can only think of another word,
like primply kind of get yourself dressed up and like fix.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You know, I am I prem right now here in
my max pre it's not a pret is a verbal. Well,
she might join, yes, can you make yourself look good? Yeah,
so she might join.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Maybe it's a word, it's a term that comes from
birds to pre.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Max preening right now. Eventually I was introduced to a
lovely lady who I deduced was Travis's fiance at the time,
who I will call May. Matt went off and I
remember correctly to find Travis so we could be introduced.
May and I were talking for the first couple of
minutes about her and how the baby was doing and
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was taking its sweet time arriving. Y'all. She was really
just a sweetie and had great vibes. Matt eventually makes
it back and it introduces his cousin, Travis. So Travis
and May are fiances. I don't know how many other
people get this feeling, but I knew from the second
I looked at him he was bad news. I do
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not know how to describe it. The instinct was saying
to avoid him at all costs. Think rude frat boy energy,
Chris jokes at other person's expenses are hilarious energy. What
jokes are saying?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Like he has the type of energy where like jokes
at other people's expense.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, like, oh my gosh, you look like you're so called?
Did you have so many layers on?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Should I do have three layers on? Right now?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
She's about to be like, I'm cold.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Cold, No, it's perfect temperature in here right now.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Disagree. I trust my vibrator. What she said it her
vibe radar.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, yeah, I put some emphasis on that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I trust my vibe radar. Kept the conversation with him
pretty short, and it was announced, luckily that food was ready,
so I skirted you off to eat with Matt and
his family. We stayed for maybe a couple of hours
and then added out in first encounter with Travis. Second
encounter was soon after. Travis was having trouble with this
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car and called Matt to come take a look, and
I tagged along since we were planning on spending some
time together. Travis damage just car wo driving under the influence.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Travis, Travis.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
We arrive and Travis is having a yelling conversation with
his mom out front. What about no idea? But I
do remember May coming out holding her new baby was
born the night of the uncle's birthday party, Holy cow,
and telling him they need to at least try to
keep to keep it down. Everyone's still talking about the
vibe radar vib radar. I feel like I'm a solid
(04:30):
three right now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I'm a negative But okay, but are you saying, like,
what's my vibet or what's like understanding of it's crazy?
It's freaking crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No, I don't know what your vibes are, you don't.
We arrive and Travis is having a yelling conversation with
his mom out front. What about no idea? But I
do remember May coming out holding her new baby was
born the night of uncle's birthday party, and telling them
they need to at least try and keep it down.
To Travis replied, shut up, stay out of it. I
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do not appreciate, but I stayed quiet and went inside
hung out with May while the guys were out messing
with the car. Sometime later they're finished, Travis gets to
order a new car part and we head out end
second encounter with Travis. Next encounter was for Travis' birthday,
which was a party bus that May planned way in
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advance to get for him. Again, not a big fan
of loud crowd stuff, but I liked her and was
looking forward to talking to her more. Matt and I
make it and we're the first ones on the bus.
Everyone else comes practically at once, and Travis says no
one else would be joining us, But May isn't there
the person who planned this. Maybe she couldn't find a
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babysitter and couldn't make it. The boys get to boozing
and having a good time. I don't drink much anymore,
and I know we'll need a devagonated driver between Matt
and I, so easy choice. After time's up on the bus,
the group gets off in different areas and Travis is
pretty messed up and be a friend of his are
talking and ranting about relationships. But his friend is messed
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up too. It says something along the lines of dude,
if she's being like this, just finish it. She ain't crap.
So there was an argument between Travis and May. It
seems okay, are they talking about the trigger morning we
just talked about. No, you're talking about May finish. I
thought they were talking about like their old dog, Like
(06:29):
she's acting like that, you just need to finish it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
They're talking about the woman who Travis is engaged to,
and also the woman who planned this party that's so
messed up. So they're like, yeah, you should break up
with your fiance.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, she'd be way better off without you.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
She would be better off of you know.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
This guy's wife says, don't give him advice right now.
You've both been drinking, and he does not respond kindly.
But it's time to get off the bus, Matt goes
to check in with Travis while I get the cars
started and we leave. End third encounter, it's established Travis
and Joyce's booze. Well add stories Matt told me about
Travis here. I was informed Travis is a felon, but
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he was stupid and a kid, but now he's grown up. Now.
This information was given to me at the uncle's birthday party.
I figured d UI and moved on. There was a
time when Matt had been boozing with Travis and a
group of friends. Everyone was basically past out and Matt
was on the couch nearly sleeping when he hears Travis
make a gross threat. I'm not riding what it was here,
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and Matt threw the old one two unconsciously, eyes still closed.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Wait, I'm sorry. He was like here and like Travis
says something and Matt's.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Like, ah, interesting. Matt gets hit back and there's a
brawl and some of the group wake up and separate them.
Matt left that encounter with broken ribs and I'm not
sure if they forget each other, but that's what they did.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I guess, dude, why are you around this person?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Whenever guys getting fights they usually make up right afterwards.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It doesn't seem like they made up. Yeah, it seems
like they like, I'm sorry, someone's breaking your ribs. I
wouldn't go around them again, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I've seen a lot of times where guys in school
getting fights and then the next day they're best friends.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's crazy. I mean, people need to raise these boys differently.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They're just like well, because like, if you hate someone
so much in a way you love them, I just don't.
They gets so frustrating at you and you just want
to strangle them, and you actually do and you're like, dude, crazy, Actually,
I let my emotions get a hold of me.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
You need Okay, you guys need to teach boys how
to regulate their emotions.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Sometimes I want to find my brother. I fought my
brother a few jumps. Okay, we're good.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I think it's a little bit different the siblings. But still,
I hope you're.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Not best friend brother, my best friend Rex. I'd probably
like punch them in the face a few jumps, now,
don't you Don't you ever want to like punches the
color in the face.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Sometimes there's a difference between wanting to do that and
actually punching someone in the face.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
If you okay, if Dakota and Keon got into it,
I bet you one hundred bucks the next day they'd
make up.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I'm not I'm not disagree with that. You just say that.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
You actually we actually do do the do we do that,
but we just settle it and smash exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, we don't do it with physical we.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Do physical violences, never needed.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We do it with our words.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yes, use your words.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, we hate world.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
This is how it goes.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
That's crazy. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
If I got to like actual fisty cuffs with Dakota,
he has length reach. Yeah, he's much taller height on me.
She I got speed and I'm stronger, but still.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Boom, you're basically.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That first Christmas party was fairly uneventful, no big deal.
Was happy to see May there. A while later, I'm
informed that their wedding was off and May no longer
lived with him. My first question was, what did he do?
To my knowledge so far, he just got cold feet.
Knowing what I know, I am now glad they're not married.
There was a lot of Travis encounters from here on out,
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but I was informed Travis and Matt talked on the
phone pretty frequently as long as we've been together. One
day I come over and Matt lets me know that
Travis has gotten a woman pregnant, and not just any woman,
a married woman.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Wait what about May? Did that end?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah? That's done, that's done. They brought up Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Man, I missed that. Yeah, I was thinking about the fighting.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Oh man, dude, this happened to Dakota and he was like,
he was like stuck on one point. I'm like, dude,
we're we're passing.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
We already read.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, so not just any woman pregnant a married woman.
Travis for sure has gross front energy up until this point.
For a while, Travis is bragged about all the women
he has been sleeping with, and he makes sure not
to use protection.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He makes sure not to use protection. It's been is gross.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I know someone that like, oh, you guys are using that.
That's crazy, And I'm like, dude, you have to.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Wait it what that's crazy?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He knew this woman was married and slept with her anyway.
I did not say as much to Matt, but this
is when I figured Travis must have cheated on May
and that's why she left. I was pretty pissed and
said something like dumb actions have dumb consequences and left
it at that. That Christmas, I was informed by Matt
that that Travis would be showing off his new vineyards
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as a different married woven husband found out they were
sleeping together, stormed into his house, caught them in the act,
and knocked him out. Ooh, And I just said, hopefully
he'll learn something and had a fine Christmas with his family.
In March, Matt proposed in a way that I wouldn't
suspect he was up to anything, and I was excited,
as this is a man that is, in my opinion,
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a proper man. I really hit the jackpot with him,
and I'm very lucky. Past relationships have made me thinking.
Pastoral relationships had me thinking decent men don't really exist anymore,
and I'm thrilled that he proved me wrong. They do exist,
women everyone. Decent men are out there. Gentlemen are out there.
They just aren't at the bars and clubs. They're at work,
(12:07):
at home, they're with their mom helped. They might be
at church. Some of them might be at church. They're
the ones that aren't carrying a lot of chairs after church.
But yeah, dude, they're they're just working. You just got
to go there.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Wait, you gotta go to their jobs?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah? Creative? What dude? Okay, if I was at the
sawmill and some chit came up and was like, hey,
you you want to go on a date? I would
fall I would have passed out.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You're just working at the saw mill. I don't think.
I don't think you can do that. A girl can't
get on the saw mill.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I mean you just like walk up to where I'm
working at on the green chain. You can just walk
up there if you wanted to. Yeah, a lot of
people do. Dang. Yeah. I mean if you got close
through the saw, I'd be like, hey, yo, you can't
be and I'm sorry I hear the saw. If I
was on the green chain, if I was in the
d Barker, I'd be like, how'd you get up here?
But if I'm in the green chain, it's fine okay.
But like the saw, I was there working, I'm like, Man,
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if only there was like some girl over here that
I could see. Yeah, dude, just show up at the work.
Uh huh see you see asked lad. You want to
know what they're are to boop Lincoln go to LinkedIn
see where they work. Pull up.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
The problem is that most people hear work from home.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Okay, pull up to their address. There were ways to
find that the internet has infinite information everyone. Past relationships
had me thinking decent men don't really exist anymore, and
I'm thrilled that he proved me wrong. So we let
everyone know about the engagement. We went around to the
families and we had a fantastic day. We were excited
for the future of us. I unfortunately believe in some
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superstition stuff included the whole bad things happen in threes theory.
This was our positive time for the next round of
the three bats. This would be the first domino fall
after question mark. About two weeks later was the incident.
Matt had a job another town, conveniently Travis's town, so
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we asked if if you could stay over there while
he gets the job done instead of commuting thirty minute
sash an hour round trip or getting a hotel. Travis
agreed with the condition that they would help each other
on their jobs. Matt would help Travis with his Travis
would help with Matts. Sounded like a good deal, right, No.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Why are they still like associating with Travis family. I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
If I had a crazy family member, I would like
maybe see them at you know, events, but I wouldn't
hang out with them or do anything with them.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I had to slowly realize this. I have some like
crazier family members. It just took a little bit talk
to them. I didn't know. I was young. I was like, oh,
but like I have good memories with them. And then
I'm like, ah, they're not cool anymore. Dude, I haven't
talked to one of my cousins in like three years.
Dang full goes both ways. You know what I'm saying. Guys, Okay,
I want to.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Talk about it. Not really know me neither.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Okay, just kidding. But at this point I I generally
didn't like Travis, but I wasn't about to unlive the
idea that Matt had that it would all work out perfectly.
It did for a couple of days, and on this
day I had a serious gut filling that I should
drive the thirty minutes to town the job was in
and treat Matt in Travis to lunch. I could go
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in early to the second job and head out there
no problem, but I didn't do it. I figured I'd
treat them to dinner instead, so I wasn't rushing. After
my first job, I get a call about six thirty
pm from Matt saying he got into a fight with Travis.
He wasn't making much sense, his words were mixing up,
and I was genuinely worried. All he can really get
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out is he fought with Travis in Travis's employee and
he's messed up. His mom texted me and asks where
Matt is. And tell Matt that his mom is asking
about him, so he says he'll call her since he's
on her way over. We hang up. I remember keeping
my eyes on my phone for any updates, but there
weren't any for a long time. Just as my message,
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you mean that she has to see for herself and
check on her son and it will be okay, and
she's so sorry and her nephew is a mess. Two
hours later, I get a text from Matt that his
parents are driving him back to town and he has
a concussion.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He mentions Travis talk to his mom and told her
that Matt had been making fun of him and assaulting
his work on the job all day. I don't forging
buy that obvious lie. I tell him to go to
the hospital get checked out, but he says.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
No, okay, also thinking says have a feeling Matt and
Travis are in love. To clarify, Matt and trafvis their cousins,
dude even more even more, to be clear, could happen,
hopefully not be Hey, if you read the story I've
read last night, it could happen. I don't know what
story you guys read that wasn't Mike, I don't speak
of that.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
We don't speak of it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I texted that I wanted him to report the incident,
which he says no too. He doesn't want this to
be a big deal. It'll work out itself. I will
add here that Matt is definitely a people pleaser. He
will drop everything he's doing to help someone else, no
matter how big of an a hole he digs himself
to do it. I relent for the time being, and
he says he'd be at his parents' place, so I
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say I'd take care of the dogs for him. Again,
he said he's completely done with his cousin. Woho. I
get a text later that he's curled up with the dogs,
but not at his parents, but his and he'll be fine.
I say, fine, but he needs to sleep straight, not
curled up, and I'll be there before work and check
in on him. The next day, I head over to
check in on him. The dogs are already out, so
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I figure they're being difficult. I got to check on him,
completely crolled in the blankets. Didn't see much of him,
but we had a little conversation and he finally looked
up at me. I was not ready to see him
like that. I absolutely felt like I got doused in
cold water. His face is swollen, black eye. Other eyes
not great either. Both eyes are red. I was livid.
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I actually started shaking. I told him i'd be back
after work and he needs to get back to sleep.
Back after work, I get a good look at all
of him, bruises all over his ribs, He's struggling, breathing,
obvious weeze. He still refuses to report it. He somehow
blames himself for the altercation and how he should have
kept his cool and not fallen for Travis's bates. I asked,
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what happened now that he's more coherent, So here's what happened.
Travis was drinking on the job with his employee while
Matt was doing the work, which is why at the
time he sent me a text I understand why Matt
has to charge so much. He's a slacker, to which
I respond with the nice, sarcastic no way. They're leaving
that town with Travis in the passenger seat and his
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employee in the back of Matt's car when it happens
this was Travis's job, which was a different area than
his hometown, but near enough. From what I'd been told,
Travis's ribs into every insecurity Matt has ever confided in
him everything. Matt gave me no specifics on what all
was said, just that Travis wouldn't let up. I'm not
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sure what was the breaking point, but I do know
that I was mentioned in the digging. At some point,
Travis said something to the effect of, you know, she
doesn't actually love you, right. Matt stops the car and
tells Travis to get out, which he refuses to do.
Matt gets out, walks to the pastor's side of the door,
and tells him to get out again, and again he refuses.
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Matt grabs Travis and goes to remove him from the car.
Travis swings and the scuffle starts. Matt has the upper
hand until the employee tackles him and puts him in
a truck hold, and Matt passes out while Travis is
punting at him, head and ribs exposed.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
My god.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
He eventually comes to and defeatedly drives them back to
Travis's hometown and they separated.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Dude, stop, why would you ever go? Why would you
ever be around this person? She better put press charges
against him. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
The fights I was talking about earlier, they usually like
get like a one or two hits in and then
they're going next door this dude UFC fighting. Yeah, two
v one.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
This is the second time this has happened to dude.
I mean that we know of. There might have been
way more. Like why would you continue to be around someone?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Do you really need that? Joseph March the hospital and
Travis is just a bully man. You don't you don't
need this?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, this is terrible.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Matt keeps saying that he shouldn't have let Travis get
to him, and he'd known better, and that was just
Travis and I really tried to hit him with some logic.
But this man is so stubborn. This happened to Friday
before heart of the day, and we were going to
see his family and I said we shouldn't go, and
if his family support Hi Matt at all, they can
understand why he wouldn't want to be around Travis. He
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said he had to go even if Travis was there,
because if he didn't show up, Travis wins.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The only way I got to even remotely think about
what he was saying was to hypothetically role reverse this
that if Travis has done this to me, would Matt
honestly support me being anywhere near the person that hurt me,
to which he replied no, And I asked if he
would want me to report it. He said yes, But
somehow it's different for him.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
So frustrating. I think that's the partner. Oh he is
just like watching her partner put himself in danger over
and over again, and he just can't seem to get
it through his head that just because this man is
family doesn't mean he should be around him.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh man, this is whack, dude, this is super whack.
We ended up going to the holiday with the decision
that if Travis was there, we would stop in long
enough to chat with his grandparents and Bell. We were
also planning to avoid his aunt Karen, as she accused
Matt of lying about the incident. On the way there,
three hour drive, Matt informs me that Travis did what
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Travis did when he was younger to be a felon.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Okay, this is this is where the trigger warning is.
If you want to skip ahead, come back in like
a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Oh goodness, I see you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
It's not that bad. I mean they don't. I mean
it's bad, but like they don't go into a lot
of detail about it.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It was like remember in open season. So basically there's
like a hunter and he's like, well, I hated the
deer hit my car, But like he's on the road
and he sees the deer over there, and he just
like moves his car over, hits the deer and keeps going.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Kind of what this is?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah, that's what I thought. Hey, it's John here og,
host of the show. We're gonna get back to these
juicy stories. But here's a quick three minutes of ads
from our sponsors. I was right, there was a dui involved. Unfortunately,
it's a lot worse than I'm expecting a lot of
uproar about this Travis. I'm alive to kitten, No, not
a kitten.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Ah. Matt pulled up the news article about it prove
that this guy sucks so much. Somehow he convinced his
family it wasn't true and they believe them. Another story
from the past of Travis is a friend of his
that passed away while they were traveling together by falling
off a balcony, which got me wondering if Travis hadn't
been involved in his friend's dead But that was just
(22:48):
a theory.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Ah ah, why are we how can you? How can
mad be like this happened? And then also I think
maybe this happened and then still be around this person.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, Travis and his need for booze has me thinking
he could do a lot of awful things when he's inebriated. Okay,
so what happened with kitten? He like hit it with
a car, that's it. We were out to dinner with
some of the family and they kept asking what happened
to Matt, which he would reply that he got in
a five that he shouldn't have gotten into. They fortunately
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asked his parents when they weren't satisfied and told them
what happened with Travis after the holiday the next day. Luckily,
Travis wasn't at this skit together, but his mom would
call Matt a liar. She couldn't even look at Matt.
We headed out, Matt informs me his family is on
his side. Matt wanted to finish that job in Travis's hometown,
and it would be done, and would be done with
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it as soon as possible. He calls me during the day.
I answer, and he tells me he panicked and was
freaking out because he thought the mailman knocking on the
door had been Travis. I let him tell me more
about it, and I suggest he has PTSD, which he
vehemently denies. I basically tell him there's different levels of it.
It's not all returning soldiers and stuff. He can feel
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this way, he shouldn't be ashamed. It was a traumatic event.
I remember saying Travis is lucky. I don't remember where
he lives, which at least got a good laugh. Goodness, gracious, dude,
this guy got to get checked out. Guy gotta dude,
go to the hospital, go to a therapists like dude,
I think.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Needs therapy if he's gonna continue to be around us, man.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, come on, send him the jail.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Jail, low key, this kind of red fla.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I think this is a red flac too. I think
if I was Opie, I would be pretty frustrated.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
If you're not gonna be able to take care of yourself. Yeah,
why would I think you can be take care of me.
I know you're trying to be tough, but like you
gotta know.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It's like you're putting your pride above one your safety
and also my safety because I don't want to be
around this person either.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I'll let the parents know about this stuff, like his injuries.
His mom made sure to get pictures for evidence, and
my mom let me know some stuff she found while
she was looking for negative reactions and such. In case
the concussion could mess with his emotional state could swing
wildly from happy to mad to sad in a moment.
He could go to sleep one night months from now
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and not wake up. I'm still very stressed about this
being the case. The red in his eyes was something
that happens when your oxygen has been cut for too
long and you're seconds away from permanent brain damage.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
This is for Matt. Yeah, I would kind of say,
like I would put my foot down a little bit
and say, like, I don't want to ever be near
this man. I don't I can't force you to not
be near him, but like, I don't know if you know,
I mean, I don't want to say I don't know
if this relationship couldn't work out, but like if you
do that, but yeah, I would, I would make it
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clear that it's serious. Yeah, you know, like stop putting
your pride above our safety as like a family unit.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yaikes, yikes. My family is adamant that. He tells the
entire family that if Travis is invited and attending any
family gathering in the future, we will not be there.
We are a second chance family, but he absolutely spends
his chance. There is no forgiveness now in our opinion.
It was very quiet for a while until Matt got
a call from Block number and with his job that
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unfortunately happens to clients sometimes, so he answers and it
was Travis apologize.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
There was not one word of apology from the sounds
of it, just stuff like we're not girls being a
man about this, let's move on, etc. Matt says, I
forgave you, but I'm never forgetting what happened. Recently, we
needed a head to the store, so we made a
trip out and planned to good dinner. I'm joking with Matt,
and all of a sudden, he lurches back in one
eighties from the direction we were going. I asked what
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it was all about, and he says, he saw He said,
he saw Travis. This was his reaction, catching a glimpse
of his cousin. What is going to happen at Christmas.
We finish up at the store in head to get
our dinner. We sit down and I bring this up,
and I bring up his reaction. He says he doesn't
want to talk about it. I bring up what I
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always bring up, no matter how many times I brought
it up, just stopping by the grandparents and telling them
we will not attend any functions. Travis is in. He
says he can't do that, no matter how many times
I tell him, I'm not happy about his family being
a bunch of enablers. Nothing telling them while we're not there,
if I don't show up, he wins.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
That's such a stupid mindset. He's winning because you're thinking
about him, because you're allowing him to be in your
life and you're not doing anything to stand up for yourself.
That's why he's winning.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, dude, you are enabling this.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
If you just left, if you took yourself out of
the situation, that would be you winning. This is ridiculous.
I would be so frustrated as OPI.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's just Travis, and he can mess up a million
and one times. When will it be enough? Will Matt
have to pass away for them to stop? Or could
they move past that too? He could have spun any
story he wanted. I mentioned if Matt had been the
AGGRESSI I'm sure it wouldn't be the same reaction from
his family. The quiet of it all. He would have
been ex communicado for sure. I asked if his grandparents
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would let us know when Travis left their house so
we could go true dramatic something to that extent. Oh
my god, truth is, I'm getting angry and angrier about this.
I thought it would mellow out. I am mad. Matt
is constantly pleasing the family, doesn't want to stir the pipe.
He is such a people pleaser. But he's gotten so
much better about it, except for, of course, when it
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comes to the family. Everyone apparently is staying quiet until
the grandparents are gone, and when Travis and his mom
won't be invited to any family events. I don't think
that's good enough, but every family is different. It was
while we were at dinner and I was brainstorming every
possible out and plan about everything. When I get to
informing the grandparents, he tells me they already know. I know.
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If I were a grandparent, I would expect so much
better from my grandkids. I would drop Travis until he's
proven that he's bettered himself. He wouldn't be allowed back in.
From my understanding, Grandma has a special connection with Travis,
as they share the same birthday.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Who cares? Who freaking cares? Ah, you share a special
connection with an idiot?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah that's yeah. Just because you share one day out
of three hundred and sixty five or three hundred and
sixty six, depending on the year, doesn't matter. Nope, that
doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
They suck.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Point is, there are only so many obstacles out there.
The family is remaining quiet while grandparents are alive and
then no more. Travis. Matt tells me, I don't have
to go. He knows I don't want him anywhere near Travis,
but he needs to spend time with his family. I
asked what hamas if Travis corners me, and he says
that that won't happen. I don't believe it. I know
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I get pushedy on this, but this is the man
I love, and his cousin who could have unlived him.
I want to spend time with his family too. They'll
be my family within a year. So here I am
read it asking for advice, he said, as he wishes
we weren't in this position, but we are so far.
I feel like I have two options. I know Reddit
loves some drama. Do I stay with my own family
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on Christmas? Or do I go to his family on Christmas?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Stay with your own family.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
If I do go, I'm planning something for just in case.
I know how Travis is. I know he would absolutely
corner me, so I do plan on giving him one
more chance to back off, and if he doesn't, I'll
be telling him a new one loudly, well within an
earshot of everyone. Dude, I think your option should be
should I stay with Matt?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah? Yeah, Matt? What are you doing? I honestly think
I think that you should. I mean, if you do
decide to stay with Matt, then you absolutely should go
visit your your family for Christmas. Why would do I
would not want to be around a family one where
Travis is there, or two a family that allows us
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to happen and is you know, not encouraging, but is
just kind of letting Travis get away with this terrible,
terrible behavior. One he should be in like jail for this.
Oh yeah, but they let him. They let him get
away with it. And now Matt's letting him get away
with it because he's been kind of trained to shut
up and not voice his concerns or his you know,
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the problems that he's having with Travis. Uh, don't don't
go to the Christmas.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Don't go to Christmas family.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, just say I'm going to my family for Christmas.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Be like yo. Matt might need to think this through.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, I think I think he needs to. I think
at the very least, you don't necessarily have to like
end the freaking engagement. But I do think it should
be postponed until he can go to therapy for this,
because this is not good.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Therapy, start some anger management.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I guess I feel like absolutely like that that I
feel like that stems there too, Yeah, because it feels
like he goes zero to one hundred really quick.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, like for no reason.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Absolutely, I think I mean, Travis is clearly a problem.
He's clearly, you know, riling up Matt and saying these
things that are probably very awful.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Riling up, ritting up.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
But Matt twice has been the first to throw the punch. Yeah,
so or well he was the first time. On the
second one, it seems like there was a I don't
know Travis might have been, but like still.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I feel like it's like goofing around and then like it.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Just gets two out of hand, It gets.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What just happened some punches.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Both of them are. Both of them are clearly like
used to solving things with their fists, And I would
not want to get married to someone who was like that. Yeah,
and again this is clearly more like ninety Travis is
in the fault here for all of those fights. But
I think it would it's only something to take a
look at.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Absolutely, I know him taking a risk with tearing him
a new one, but I'm at that enough is enough stage.
I'm sure everyone would know who was responsible, should something
happen to Matt, myself or our animals or proper advice
is very much appreciated. Any other options are very welcomed.
I've excluded plenty of other Travis's moments, but there's plenty
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of ammunition of his character here. This draggedong so much
longer than I thought it would, and I'm sorry about that.
But at Rambilly, I apologize. I've been typing this up
for days and I need advice very soon. I didn't
inform Matt and I would be posting this to Reddit.
I do hope that any comments we get will get
through to him more than his protective fiance seems to be.
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We got an update. Yeah, hopefully this will turn him around.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, you need to have a solid conversation with Matt,
and I think that's I think that's where you're at
because I would be young. This is annoying naming, says
Matt is the one in the story who left her
wife as a dog is attacking them? Remember that story?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
What is that true? Are you saying that they're just
like that guy?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, she's like I think it was an old story.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, I remember the story you're talking about. Kimble defenses.
I've known a good amount of people that get violent,
especially after drinking, and there's always a vibe shift. You
learn to click when it arrives, at least in a group.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah. Yeah, Like the great Samuel Donner said one time
on a drunk plane. While he was drunk on a plane,
I feel like the closest you can get to yourself
is when you're wasted. You were there beside me, We're
going to Paris. Yeah, it was like you, me and
then him, and I was like, I really feel like
my true self. And then he hit up one of
his uh, one of his old friends and was like,
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oh my gosh, I feel like amazing. So I was like, wow, okay, real.
So whenever you're wasted, it really shows who you really aren't.
But we got an update. We got an update.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Hey it's Sam. We can get back to the stories.
But here's three minutes of ads from our sponsors.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
We got a freaking update. Man, I will have a
solid talk tonight. I should not have budge from my
original stance. Update two, this is Matt whoa.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
We got Matt's perspective.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I have to lead off with the question of my integrity.
I am not a coward. I am not advising the issue,
nor am I trying to force the amazing woman who
I love into a situation she does not want to
be in. I would defend her to my passing away breath.
It is not a matter of backing down to another family.
It is compassion for my grandparents. My family is close,
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and my grandparents are the glue that holds us all together.
I'm torn by the fact that I am, in a sense,
being asked to give up what could be my last
time with them to avoid Travis. I have decided that
I can't avoid him my entire life, and I still
have a relationship with the ones I care about. Christmas
is our biggest get together. I don't like it anymore
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than my fiance does. But I will not be a coward.
I am not scared of him. I have told Yeah, dude,
come on, I.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Will not be a coward. You are being a coward.
I'm sorry. I mean, like, this notion that forcing yourself
to be around people who have actively hurt you and
those around you is you being brave is so frustrating
and so like my showman attitude.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, yeah, very much.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I'm not a coward.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm a mad man.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
It's like, no, if you wanted to have a relation
one you could have had. You could have called out
a report against him for him hitting you. You could
have done that, and that would have not, you know,
done anything to this relationship too. If you want to
see your grandparents, go see them on your own time.
You don't have to see them at a party.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
You have a relationship them.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Absolutely, and it would probably be better to go see them,
you know, spend a weekend, do something with them. It
doesn't have to be you hanging around Travis and people
that are letting this happen.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah. Also, like, man, let's put in perspective. If he
if they would have held you in a like choke
hold for more like ten more seconds more, you would
have been here. Man, you would be here.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You would two people ganging up on you, and nobody
in your family is defending you.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's fine, you know, Travis
will be Travis.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You're just like, it is what it is, Yeah kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
That's not such a messed up it, man, that's not it.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Putting yourself in a dangerous position is not being brave.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, I've told ope, it is her decision to join
me or not. I understand and will back her decision
one hundred percent. I have been in yelling mattress with
my parents over this. I had informed them that she
doesn't want to be there, and my mother, whose side
of the family this is, became very upset. After all
the arguing, we came to the point that her not
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attending robs her and the family of getting to know
each other. Obviously, excluding the problems, all I have done
is bring this to her attention, which is all I
told my family I would do. I will not force
her to do anything she does not want to do.
As for safety, I would have never let her out
of my sight. Although my relatives have already stated that
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they will be keeping a watchful eye, they are very
capable of putting Travis in his place if need to be.
My grandfather has been dealing with the beginnings of all
Timer's and for the reason Almer's, Alzheimer's all all time All's,
I would say I would say.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
This Heimer like Heimer, Allheimer, Alheimer, Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's Olsheimer Olsheimer confused, as it is the only
reason I have done things the way I have, I
will not make what could be his last memories about
me and my feelings instead of my love for him. Dude,
I'm just thinking about my grandpa and if this happened
between me and my cousin, which a version of this
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low key kind of did happen, very like ten years younger,
mild version, and my grandpa was like, yeah, they probably
shouldn't be doing that. And then over years it got
better and it was fine, Like, dude, just like, oh
my gosh. As for Tree, some of my relationship, we
are done. He is nothing to me. I've made a
decision recently, after having the time to think clearly about
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the events of that day. I have been placing blame
upon myself for allowing my emotions to rule that day. However,
I have decided that despite that, the actions of Travis
outweigh my transgressions. He showed me that day that he
doesn't care about me or anyone for that matter. The
person I thought I knew isn't him. I was under
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the impression that he looked up to me from his
own words, and that I could be a good example
in his life. It wasn't a matter of not caring
about his wrongdoings. I've called him out several times. He
has hiden his true nature for years. It is only
recently that I've truly seen behind the curtain. He has
been very convincing about things, bank that he wasn't the
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one who unlive the kittens, that he took the blame
for someone else. As for the kid who passed away,
Nobody that was there will speak a word of what
happened that night except that he slip and fell, and
that it's only rumors if Travis was to blame. Dude,
this is what we got to do here. This is
what we gotta do here. We have to get some interrogator,
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some like you know mind mentalists, you know, kung fu specialist,
to talk to Travis and everyone that was there that night,
because this is like what TV shows and like movies
are made of, and ask what happened that night? I
can get the truth. Kittens, the kittens, No, the guy
that get him locked up? For sure.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I also think I don't know if I fully believe
that Travis just kind of at like recently became this person,
because Opie said literally upon first meeting him about it,
she was like, yeah, bad vibes.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, No, I mean he became a bad person. I
think that night whenever he was as a kid, like
it's always been something. Yeah, it's always been something, And
it's always been that family that's not been like giving
travesty right amount of attention that he should have. Don't
forget the vibratar of Behest exactly. I will admit it
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has crossed my mind in the past, but I believe
in innocent until proven guilty. I definitely believe he would
be capable. But that is all I can do. A
lot of the stuff I have only learned myself more recently.
I had no knowledge of much of it. It wasn't
that I didn't care. It was that I was fooled
into thinking he was listening and changing. All that being said,
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I'd forgiven him for our first brawl. I chalked it
up to waste it in stupidity. None of this is
meant as excuses for him, just reasons as to why
I was so blind to his true nature. Looking back
with clear eyes, I see all the lies of manipulation.
I was naive not to see it stacking up the
way it was before. As for the fight, in my
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ability to defend ope. I was blindsided and choked out
by his lackey before either of us got a second swing,
and I never even had the chance to defend myself.
I'm perfectly capable of holding my own in even if
I couldn't. You can bet that if I came to
defending her to my last breath, I would fall on
that sword willingly a thousand times over.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
But she doesn't.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
That's that's not the point, not the point.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
She doesn't want you to pass away. She wants you
to take yourself out of that situation so that you
have a relationship with her alive.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
No, baby, you'll remember how brave I was for that
stupid fight I did.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Oh, that's such a frustrating being like, yeah, I would,
I would pass away for you, Like, no, I want
you alive.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, it's about honor.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
It's it's such a stupid mindset.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, stupid.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I might have been choked out, but I can tell
you this, My last memory was me still trying to
fight them off. Long story short, I'm not the sniveling
weasels some of you have made me out to be.
I'm letting make her own grown up decisions, so am I.
It is not an ideal situation, but whatever her decision is,
she is allowed to do that. I have told her
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I will not make her do anything she does not
want to do, and that I will back her. She
has informed me that she will not be there if
he is, and I back that I won't lie. I
did not know what to say at the moment, because
I'm not looking forward to dealing with the family's side
of things, but I am going to honor her wishes.
As for me, I do not know whether I will
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be attending or not at all. That is all I have.
An update.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Three, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Originally I was planning on responding to a lot of
the comments, but I find that it's the polite thing
to do and I don't really need to do that.
There seem to be a lot of missing the mark comments,
and I had been planning on adding slash context editing
to the clear up what seemed to be the confusion,
which fair I still could do, but we're deciding to
move on. Matt and I had a nice, long adult
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conversation a couple of nights ago and informed him read
its comments were harsh, but not to what extent he
read the comments after I left for the night. Neither
of us is very satisfied with what we've found, but
hey whatever. At the very least, I can thank the
responses for being so incorrect that we had our grown
up talk. It is a very serious issue, and everyone
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handles things in their own ways. My family prefers to
simply cut contact and be done. His not so much,
not yet anyway, I'm not leaving Matt go ahead and
hmmy with the sinking ship fallacy. But I know you're wrong,
basically like going down with the ship. Yeah, I will
be attending Christmas with his family. Que the responses of Op,
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you're stupid, blah blah blah, I don't care. Like I said,
we had an dull conversation and I need to be
there to watch the hope in Travis's ey'd fade when
he realizes he's not manipulating anyone anymore. No one at
that Christmas party will be warm, welcoming, nor to converse
with him. He has not only gone too far, but
he's the middle of the ocean with only a live preserver,
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and he only has himself to blame. By the way,
we will blame you if you don't go to your
favorite podcast platform right now, search up okay, story time
and see stories just like this one. Just go there
and the blame will not be put on you.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yie, Oh, this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Frustrating, Like what are you talking about? You're like, oh,
everyone's gonna hate on him? Then why is he coming
to this party?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Dude, why was he invited?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Still, he's a snake. He's a snake.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Why do you have to I don't know, he's family.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Like, you've spent this whole story being like I don't
like you don't need to be around him, blah blah
blah blah blah, and then you switch up at the
end and be like, I want to be there.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
What bethany, Well, at least they're match for each other.
They're both dumb. Yeah, truly facts, yikes, Like everything you
worked for literally the whole.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Thing was about you being like I don't want to
be there. I'm not going to be around him.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
And then you're like, we had an adult conversation and
I need to be there. Okay, why, opie, why?
Speaker 4 (46:02):
I don't know what you think you're proven.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Of course I do need to be there to see it.
It's one thing to say something will happen. It's another
thing to witness it. Comments got particularly nasty and just
downright rude, which you open yourself up for when you
post something on the internet. But it's just understand it
loses you points of credibility. In my book, hope you
all have a merry Christmas slash happy Holidays and a
happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
This is super frustrating.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, we're like, oh I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
It's like, no, you weren't. We're wrong. The whole time
we were on your side and then you switched up.
Man Bug says it's giving Dormat thinks he's a guard
dog and that's so sad. Yeah, Jilli fine, says think Tank.
The family just sit them down and be like, f Travis,
Am I right, thoughts.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
I'm myriad?
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah? Am I right?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah? Dude, Matt, Like, uh, this just hurts to see
because I've been around families like this, Like I understand
the dynamics of big families, and you know, you have
some loose cannons in there. You work with you still
be nice, still keep them checked up. This this is different,
gone way too fond.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
The thing is that sometimes you have family members that
you don't like that you have to be around. But
when a family member is actively physically harming someone in
the family, they're not good. They no one would allow
Like if that happened mine own, I don't think they
would be allowed to.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
You know. Also, if we're going to this Christmas party,
I'm getting there early and I don't make sure there is
no alcohol to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I would also say like, hey, we should probably tell
them to not have alcoholic here if this is going
to be a danger.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
That'll update. And no comments from Op And this was
like a couple of months ago. Oh wow, nothing, Well,
the only thing I found it's just a funny comment
where it's just like Travis cheets. Matt doesn't care Travis
hits him, he doesn't care enough to report it. Travis
has his way too much on your fiance. One day
he will hurt you, and again nobody will do anything
about it. Matt is a fool.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Don't marry it.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Don't marry him until he files the police report and
gets therapy, or this will be your life.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Op. It's literally it.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Yeah, Bethany says, I'm sure that him being ostracized and
humiliated is not going to cause him to become violent
and lash out. Bethany says, Travis is already volatile. They
cause him to be ostracized, He's just going to lash
it out, be harder. This is like beating the bear.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Oh, p's Oh, I'm gonna go and everyone's no, one's
gonna want to talk to Travis and ah, the light's
gonna leave his aye. Like, No, that's not what's gonna
happen either. The people that you're thinking are going to
uphold their side of the bargain are not going to
do that because everyone seems to just let Travis get
away with whatever he wants, yeah, or Travis is going
to lash out, yeah, And both of those options are
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not good.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
It's going to get to the point like what we've
said that oh piece of in the crossairs or like
like in that crossfire and which we don't want.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
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My fiance's cousin is problematic, but the whole family keeps
defending him.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Cut him out.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Trigger warning brief mention of animal views slash animal death.
This will probably be a long post, but there's a
lot of information and I'd like to not miss anything.
I don't remember all of these events clearly, but I
will state if it's a blurrier memory or not. Older
events are definitely more blurry. First post on Reddit bear
with me. I would really like it from an outside perspective.
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By the way, this comes from Maine Astronaut eighteen eighty three,
and if you were to spear your old stories, go
to our slash Okay Storytime subreddit. So it's sort of
a catalog of everything I've noted about this cousin. We'll
start from very early into mine and my fiance's really ship.
We've been together for two years since May of twenty
twenty two, and This was July of that year that
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I met his cousin for the first time, who I
will call Travis. Fake name for fiance shall be Matt.
All Right, I twenty seven, female, am introverted, and I
am not a huge fan of crowds. But Matt thirty
mile invited me over to his uncle's birthday party and
I agreed to go, thinking it would be a smaller
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kind of get together. It definitely wasn't on the small side,
but I managed and was introduced to plenty of people.
All right, okay, little party, Someone said, is Riley taking
Angie on today? I've not seen him preene so much? Ever?
Was preen read?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's like like I can only think of another word,
like primply kind of get yourself dressed up and like fix.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You know, I am I prem right now here in
my max pre it's not a pret is a verbal. Well,
she might join, yes, can you make yourself look good? Yeah,
so she might join.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Maybe it's a word, it's a term that comes from
birds to pre.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Max preening right now. Eventually I was introduced to a
lovely lady who I deduced was Travis's fiance at the time,
who I will call May. Matt went off and I
remember correctly to find Travis so we could be introduced.
May and I were talking for the first couple of
minutes about her and how the baby was doing and
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was taking its sweet time arriving. Y'all. She was really
just a sweetie and had great vibes. Matt eventually makes
it back and it introduces his cousin, Travis. So Travis
and May are fiances. I don't know how many other
people get this feeling, but I knew from the second
I looked at him he was bad news. I do
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not know how to describe it. The instinct was saying
to avoid him at all costs. Think rude frat boy energy,
Chris jokes at other person's expenses are hilarious energy. What
jokes are saying?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Like he has the type of energy where like jokes
at other people's expense.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, like, oh my gosh, you look like you're so called?
Did you have so many layers on?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Should I do have three layers on? Right now?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
She's about to be like, I'm cold.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Cold, No, it's perfect temperature in here right now.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Disagree. I trust my vibrator. What she said it her
vibe radar.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, yeah, I put some emphasis on that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I trust my vibe radar. Kept the conversation with him
pretty short, and it was announced, luckily that food was ready,
so I skirted you off to eat with Matt and
his family. We stayed for maybe a couple of hours
and then added out in first encounter with Travis. Second
encounter was soon after. Travis was having trouble with this
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car and called Matt to come take a look, and
I tagged along since we were planning on spending some
time together. Travis damage just car wo driving under the influence.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Travis, Travis.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
We arrive and Travis is having a yelling conversation with
his mom out front. What about no idea? But I
do remember May coming out holding her new baby was
born the night of the uncle's birthday party, Holy cow,
and telling him they need to at least try to
keep to keep it down. Everyone's still talking about the
vibe radar vib radar. I feel like I'm a solid
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three right now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I'm a negative But okay, but are you saying, like,
what's my vibet or what's like understanding of it's crazy?
It's freaking crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No, I don't know what your vibes are, you don't.
We arrive and Travis is having a yelling conversation with
his mom out front. What about no idea? But I
do remember May coming out holding her new baby was
born the night of uncle's birthday party, and telling them
they need to at least try and keep it down.
To Travis replied, shut up, stay out of it. I
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do not appreciate, but I stayed quiet and went inside
hung out with May while the guys were out messing
with the car. Sometime later they're finished, Travis gets to
order a new car part and we head out end
second encounter with Travis. Next encounter was for Travis' birthday,
which was a party bus that May planned way in
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advance to get for him. Again, not a big fan
of loud crowd stuff, but I liked her and was
looking forward to talking to her more. Matt and I
make it and we're the first ones on the bus.
Everyone else comes practically at once, and Travis says no
one else would be joining us, But May isn't there
the person who planned this. Maybe she couldn't find a
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babysitter and couldn't make it. The boys get to boozing
and having a good time. I don't drink much anymore,
and I know we'll need a devagonated driver between Matt
and I, so easy choice. After time's up on the bus,
the group gets off in different areas and Travis is
pretty messed up and be a friend of his are
talking and ranting about relationships. But his friend is messed
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up too. It says something along the lines of dude,
if she's being like this, just finish it. She ain't crap.
So there was an argument between Travis and May. It
seems okay, are they talking about the trigger morning we
just talked about. No, you're talking about May finish. I
thought they were talking about like their old dog, Like
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she's acting like that, you just need to finish it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
They're talking about the woman who Travis is engaged to,
and also the woman who planned this party that's so
messed up. So they're like, yeah, you should break up
with your fiance.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, she'd be way better off without you.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
She would be better off of you know.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
This guy's wife says, don't give him advice right now.
You've both been drinking, and he does not respond kindly.
But it's time to get off the bus, Matt goes
to check in with Travis while I get the cars
started and we leave. End third encounter, it's established Travis
and Joyce's booze. Well add stories Matt told me about
Travis here. I was informed Travis is a felon, but
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he was stupid and a kid, but now he's grown up. Now.
This information was given to me at the uncle's birthday party.
I figured d UI and moved on. There was a
time when Matt had been boozing with Travis and a
group of friends. Everyone was basically past out and Matt
was on the couch nearly sleeping when he hears Travis
make a gross threat. I'm not riding what it was here,
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and Matt threw the old one two unconsciously, eyes still closed.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Wait, I'm sorry. He was like here and like Travis
says something and Matt's.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Like, ah, interesting. Matt gets hit back and there's a
brawl and some of the group wake up and separate them.
Matt left that encounter with broken ribs and I'm not
sure if they forget each other, but that's what they did.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I guess, dude, why are you around this person?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Whenever guys getting fights they usually make up right afterwards.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It doesn't seem like they made up. Yeah, it seems
like they like, I'm sorry, someone's breaking your ribs. I
wouldn't go around them again, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I've seen a lot of times where guys in school
getting fights and then the next day they're best friends.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's crazy. I mean, people need to raise these boys differently.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They're just like well, because like, if you hate someone
so much in a way you love them, I just don't.
They gets so frustrating at you and you just want
to strangle them, and you actually do and you're like, dude, crazy, Actually,
I let my emotions get a hold of me.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
You need Okay, you guys need to teach boys how
to regulate their emotions.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Sometimes I want to find my brother. I fought my
brother a few jumps. Okay, we're good.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I think it's a little bit different the siblings. But still,
I hope you're.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Not best friend brother, my best friend Rex. I'd probably
like punch them in the face a few jumps, now,
don't you Don't you ever want to like punches the
color in the face.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Sometimes there's a difference between wanting to do that and
actually punching someone in the face.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
If you okay, if Dakota and Keon got into it,
I bet you one hundred bucks the next day they'd
make up.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I'm not I'm not disagree with that. You just say that.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
You actually we actually do do the do we do that,
but we just settle it and smash exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, we don't do it with physical we.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Do physical violences, never needed.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We do it with our words.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yes, use your words.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, we hate world.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
This is how it goes.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
That's crazy. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
If I got to like actual fisty cuffs with Dakota,
he has length reach. Yeah, he's much taller height on me.
She I got speed and I'm stronger, but still.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Boom, you're basically.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That first Christmas party was fairly uneventful, no big deal.
Was happy to see May there. A while later, I'm
informed that their wedding was off and May no longer
lived with him. My first question was, what did he do?
To my knowledge so far, he just got cold feet.
Knowing what I know, I am now glad they're not married.
There was a lot of Travis encounters from here on out,
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but I was informed Travis and Matt talked on the
phone pretty frequently as long as we've been together. One
day I come over and Matt lets me know that
Travis has gotten a woman pregnant, and not just any woman,
a married woman.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Wait what about May? Did that end?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah? That's done, that's done. They brought up Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Man, I missed that. Yeah, I was thinking about the fighting.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Oh man, dude, this happened to Dakota and he was like,
he was like stuck on one point. I'm like, dude,
we're we're passing.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
We already read.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, so not just any woman pregnant a married woman.
Travis for sure has gross front energy up until this point.
For a while, Travis is bragged about all the women
he has been sleeping with, and he makes sure not
to use protection.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He makes sure not to use protection. It's been is gross.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I know someone that like, oh, you guys are using that.
That's crazy, And I'm like, dude, you have to.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Wait it what that's crazy?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He knew this woman was married and slept with her anyway.
I did not say as much to Matt, but this
is when I figured Travis must have cheated on May
and that's why she left. I was pretty pissed and
said something like dumb actions have dumb consequences and left
it at that. That Christmas, I was informed by Matt
that that Travis would be showing off his new vineyards
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as a different married woven husband found out they were
sleeping together, stormed into his house, caught them in the act,
and knocked him out. Ooh, And I just said, hopefully
he'll learn something and had a fine Christmas with his family.
In March, Matt proposed in a way that I wouldn't
suspect he was up to anything, and I was excited,
as this is a man that is, in my opinion,
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a proper man. I really hit the jackpot with him,
and I'm very lucky. Past relationships have made me thinking.
Pastoral relationships had me thinking decent men don't really exist anymore,
and I'm thrilled that he proved me wrong. They do exist,
women everyone. Decent men are out there. Gentlemen are out there.
They just aren't at the bars and clubs. They're at work,
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at home, they're with their mom helped. They might be
at church. Some of them might be at church. They're
the ones that aren't carrying a lot of chairs after church.
But yeah, dude, they're they're just working. You just got
to go there.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Wait, you gotta go to their jobs?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah? Creative? What dude? Okay, if I was at the
sawmill and some chit came up and was like, hey,
you you want to go on a date? I would
fall I would have passed out.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You're just working at the saw mill. I don't think.
I don't think you can do that. A girl can't
get on the saw mill.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I mean you just like walk up to where I'm
working at on the green chain. You can just walk
up there if you wanted to. Yeah, a lot of
people do. Dang. Yeah. I mean if you got close
through the saw, I'd be like, hey, yo, you can't
be and I'm sorry I hear the saw. If I
was on the green chain, if I was in the
d Barker, I'd be like, how'd you get up here?
But if I'm in the green chain, it's fine okay.
But like the saw, I was there working, I'm like, Man,
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if only there was like some girl over here that
I could see. Yeah, dude, just show up at the work.
Uh huh see you see asked lad. You want to
know what they're are to boop Lincoln go to LinkedIn
see where they work. Pull up.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
The problem is that most people hear work from home.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Okay, pull up to their address. There were ways to
find that the internet has infinite information everyone. Past relationships
had me thinking decent men don't really exist anymore, and
I'm thrilled that he proved me wrong. So we let
everyone know about the engagement. We went around to the
families and we had a fantastic day. We were excited
for the future of us. I unfortunately believe in some
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superstition stuff included the whole bad things happen in threes theory.
This was our positive time for the next round of
the three bats. This would be the first domino fall
after question mark. About two weeks later was the incident.
Matt had a job another town, conveniently Travis's town, so
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we asked if if you could stay over there while
he gets the job done instead of commuting thirty minute
sash an hour round trip or getting a hotel. Travis
agreed with the condition that they would help each other
on their jobs. Matt would help Travis with his Travis
would help with Matts. Sounded like a good deal, right, No.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Why are they still like associating with Travis family. I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
If I had a crazy family member, I would like
maybe see them at you know, events, but I wouldn't
hang out with them or do anything with them.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I had to slowly realize this. I have some like
crazier family members. It just took a little bit talk
to them. I didn't know. I was young. I was like, oh,
but like I have good memories with them. And then
I'm like, ah, they're not cool anymore. Dude, I haven't
talked to one of my cousins in like three years.
Dang full goes both ways. You know what I'm saying. Guys, Okay,
I want to.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Talk about it. Not really know me neither.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Okay, just kidding. But at this point I I generally
didn't like Travis, but I wasn't about to unlive the
idea that Matt had that it would all work out perfectly.
It did for a couple of days, and on this
day I had a serious gut filling that I should
drive the thirty minutes to town the job was in
and treat Matt in Travis to lunch. I could go
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in early to the second job and head out there
no problem, but I didn't do it. I figured I'd
treat them to dinner instead, so I wasn't rushing. After
my first job, I get a call about six thirty
pm from Matt saying he got into a fight with Travis.
He wasn't making much sense, his words were mixing up,
and I was genuinely worried. All he can really get
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out is he fought with Travis in Travis's employee and
he's messed up. His mom texted me and asks where
Matt is. And tell Matt that his mom is asking
about him, so he says he'll call her since he's
on her way over. We hang up. I remember keeping
my eyes on my phone for any updates, but there
weren't any for a long time. Just as my message,
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you mean that she has to see for herself and
check on her son and it will be okay, and
she's so sorry and her nephew is a mess. Two
hours later, I get a text from Matt that his
parents are driving him back to town and he has
a concussion.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He mentions Travis talk to his mom and told her
that Matt had been making fun of him and assaulting
his work on the job all day. I don't forging
buy that obvious lie. I tell him to go to
the hospital get checked out, but he says.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
No, okay, also thinking says have a feeling Matt and
Travis are in love. To clarify, Matt and trafvis their cousins,
dude even more even more, to be clear, could happen,
hopefully not be Hey, if you read the story I've
read last night, it could happen. I don't know what
story you guys read that wasn't Mike, I don't speak
of that.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
We don't speak of it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I texted that I wanted him to report the incident,
which he says no too. He doesn't want this to
be a big deal. It'll work out itself. I will
add here that Matt is definitely a people pleaser. He
will drop everything he's doing to help someone else, no
matter how big of an a hole he digs himself
to do it. I relent for the time being, and
he says he'd be at his parents' place, so I
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say I'd take care of the dogs for him. Again,
he said he's completely done with his cousin. Woho. I
get a text later that he's curled up with the dogs,
but not at his parents, but his and he'll be fine.
I say, fine, but he needs to sleep straight, not
curled up, and I'll be there before work and check
in on him. The next day, I head over to
check in on him. The dogs are already out, so
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I figure they're being difficult. I got to check on him,
completely crolled in the blankets. Didn't see much of him,
but we had a little conversation and he finally looked
up at me. I was not ready to see him
like that. I absolutely felt like I got doused in
cold water. His face is swollen, black eye. Other eyes
not great either. Both eyes are red. I was livid.
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I actually started shaking. I told him i'd be back
after work and he needs to get back to sleep.
Back after work, I get a good look at all
of him, bruises all over his ribs, He's struggling, breathing,
obvious weeze. He still refuses to report it. He somehow
blames himself for the altercation and how he should have
kept his cool and not fallen for Travis's bates. I asked,
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what happened now that he's more coherent, So here's what happened.
Travis was drinking on the job with his employee while
Matt was doing the work, which is why at the
time he sent me a text I understand why Matt
has to charge so much. He's a slacker, to which
I respond with the nice, sarcastic no way. They're leaving
that town with Travis in the passenger seat and his
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employee in the back of Matt's car when it happens
this was Travis's job, which was a different area than
his hometown, but near enough. From what I'd been told,
Travis's ribs into every insecurity Matt has ever confided in
him everything. Matt gave me no specifics on what all
was said, just that Travis wouldn't let up. I'm not
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sure what was the breaking point, but I do know
that I was mentioned in the digging. At some point,
Travis said something to the effect of, you know, she
doesn't actually love you, right. Matt stops the car and
tells Travis to get out, which he refuses to do.
Matt gets out, walks to the pastor's side of the door,
and tells him to get out again, and again he refuses.
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Matt grabs Travis and goes to remove him from the car.
Travis swings and the scuffle starts. Matt has the upper
hand until the employee tackles him and puts him in
a truck hold, and Matt passes out while Travis is
punting at him, head and ribs exposed.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
My god.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
He eventually comes to and defeatedly drives them back to
Travis's hometown and they separated.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Dude, stop, why would you ever go? Why would you
ever be around this person? She better put press charges
against him. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
The fights I was talking about earlier, they usually like
get like a one or two hits in and then
they're going next door this dude UFC fighting. Yeah, two
v one.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
This is the second time this has happened to dude.
I mean that we know of. There might have been
way more. Like why would you continue to be around someone?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Do you really need that? Joseph March the hospital and
Travis is just a bully man. You don't you don't
need this?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, this is terrible.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Matt keeps saying that he shouldn't have let Travis get
to him, and he'd known better, and that was just
Travis and I really tried to hit him with some logic.
But this man is so stubborn. This happened to Friday
before heart of the day, and we were going to
see his family and I said we shouldn't go, and
if his family support Hi Matt at all, they can
understand why he wouldn't want to be around Travis. He
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said he had to go even if Travis was there,
because if he didn't show up, Travis wins.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The only way I got to even remotely think about
what he was saying was to hypothetically role reverse this
that if Travis has done this to me, would Matt
honestly support me being anywhere near the person that hurt me,
to which he replied no, And I asked if he
would want me to report it. He said yes, But
somehow it's different for him.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
So frustrating. I think that's the partner. Oh he is
just like watching her partner put himself in danger over
and over again, and he just can't seem to get
it through his head that just because this man is
family doesn't mean he should be around him.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh man, this is whack, dude, this is super whack.
We ended up going to the holiday with the decision
that if Travis was there, we would stop in long
enough to chat with his grandparents and Bell. We were
also planning to avoid his aunt Karen, as she accused
Matt of lying about the incident. On the way there,
three hour drive, Matt informs me that Travis did what
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Travis did when he was younger to be a felon.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Okay, this is this is where the trigger warning is.
If you want to skip ahead, come back in like
a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Oh goodness, I see you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
It's not that bad. I mean they don't. I mean
it's bad, but like they don't go into a lot
of detail about it.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It was like remember in open season. So basically there's
like a hunter and he's like, well, I hated the
deer hit my car, But like he's on the road
and he sees the deer over there, and he just
like moves his car over, hits the deer and keeps going.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Kind of what this is?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah, that's what I thought. Hey, it's John here og,
host of the show. We're gonna get back to these
juicy stories. But here's a quick three minutes of ads
from our sponsors. I was right, there was a dui involved. Unfortunately,
it's a lot worse than I'm expecting a lot of
uproar about this Travis. I'm alive to kitten, No, not
a kitten.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Ah. Matt pulled up the news article about it prove
that this guy sucks so much. Somehow he convinced his
family it wasn't true and they believe them. Another story
from the past of Travis is a friend of his
that passed away while they were traveling together by falling
off a balcony, which got me wondering if Travis hadn't
been involved in his friend's dead But that was just
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a theory.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Ah ah, why are we how can you? How can
mad be like this happened? And then also I think
maybe this happened and then still be around this person.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, Travis and his need for booze has me thinking
he could do a lot of awful things when he's inebriated. Okay,
so what happened with kitten? He like hit it with
a car, that's it. We were out to dinner with
some of the family and they kept asking what happened
to Matt, which he would reply that he got in
a five that he shouldn't have gotten into. They fortunately
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asked his parents when they weren't satisfied and told them
what happened with Travis after the holiday the next day. Luckily,
Travis wasn't at this skit together, but his mom would
call Matt a liar. She couldn't even look at Matt.
We headed out, Matt informs me his family is on
his side. Matt wanted to finish that job in Travis's hometown,
and it would be done, and would be done with
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it as soon as possible. He calls me during the day.
I answer, and he tells me he panicked and was
freaking out because he thought the mailman knocking on the
door had been Travis. I let him tell me more
about it, and I suggest he has PTSD, which he
vehemently denies. I basically tell him there's different levels of it.
It's not all returning soldiers and stuff. He can feel
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this way, he shouldn't be ashamed. It was a traumatic event.
I remember saying Travis is lucky. I don't remember where
he lives, which at least got a good laugh. Goodness, gracious, dude,
this guy got to get checked out. Guy gotta dude,
go to the hospital, go to a therapists like dude,
I think.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Needs therapy if he's gonna continue to be around us, man.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, come on, send him the jail.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Jail, low key, this kind of red fla.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I think this is a red flac too. I think
if I was Opie, I would be pretty frustrated.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
If you're not gonna be able to take care of yourself. Yeah,
why would I think you can be take care of me.
I know you're trying to be tough, but like you
gotta know.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It's like you're putting your pride above one your safety
and also my safety because I don't want to be
around this person either.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I'll let the parents know about this stuff, like his injuries.
His mom made sure to get pictures for evidence, and
my mom let me know some stuff she found while
she was looking for negative reactions and such. In case
the concussion could mess with his emotional state could swing
wildly from happy to mad to sad in a moment.
He could go to sleep one night months from now
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and not wake up. I'm still very stressed about this
being the case. The red in his eyes was something
that happens when your oxygen has been cut for too
long and you're seconds away from permanent brain damage.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
This is for Matt. Yeah, I would kind of say,
like I would put my foot down a little bit
and say, like, I don't want to ever be near
this man. I don't I can't force you to not
be near him, but like, I don't know if you know,
I mean, I don't want to say I don't know
if this relationship couldn't work out, but like if you
do that, but yeah, I would, I would make it
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clear that it's serious. Yeah, you know, like stop putting
your pride above our safety as like a family unit.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yaikes, yikes. My family is adamant that. He tells the
entire family that if Travis is invited and attending any
family gathering in the future, we will not be there.
We are a second chance family, but he absolutely spends
his chance. There is no forgiveness now in our opinion.
It was very quiet for a while until Matt got
a call from Block number and with his job that
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unfortunately happens to clients sometimes, so he answers and it
was Travis apologize.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
There was not one word of apology from the sounds
of it, just stuff like we're not girls being a
man about this, let's move on, etc. Matt says, I
forgave you, but I'm never forgetting what happened. Recently, we
needed a head to the store, so we made a
trip out and planned to good dinner. I'm joking with Matt,
and all of a sudden, he lurches back in one
eighties from the direction we were going. I asked what
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it was all about, and he says, he saw He said,
he saw Travis. This was his reaction, catching a glimpse
of his cousin. What is going to happen at Christmas.
We finish up at the store in head to get
our dinner. We sit down and I bring this up,
and I bring up his reaction. He says he doesn't
want to talk about it. I bring up what I
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always bring up, no matter how many times I brought
it up, just stopping by the grandparents and telling them
we will not attend any functions. Travis is in. He
says he can't do that, no matter how many times
I tell him, I'm not happy about his family being
a bunch of enablers. Nothing telling them while we're not there,
if I don't show up, he wins.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
That's such a stupid mindset. He's winning because you're thinking
about him, because you're allowing him to be in your
life and you're not doing anything to stand up for yourself.
That's why he's winning.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, dude, you are enabling this.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
If you just left, if you took yourself out of
the situation, that would be you winning. This is ridiculous.
I would be so frustrated as OPI.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's just Travis, and he can mess up a million
and one times. When will it be enough? Will Matt
have to pass away for them to stop? Or could
they move past that too? He could have spun any
story he wanted. I mentioned if Matt had been the
AGGRESSI I'm sure it wouldn't be the same reaction from
his family. The quiet of it all. He would have
been ex communicado for sure. I asked if his grandparents
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would let us know when Travis left their house so
we could go true dramatic something to that extent. Oh
my god, truth is, I'm getting angry and angrier about this.
I thought it would mellow out. I am mad. Matt
is constantly pleasing the family, doesn't want to stir the pipe.
He is such a people pleaser. But he's gotten so
much better about it, except for, of course, when it
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comes to the family. Everyone apparently is staying quiet until
the grandparents are gone, and when Travis and his mom
won't be invited to any family events. I don't think
that's good enough, but every family is different. It was
while we were at dinner and I was brainstorming every
possible out and plan about everything. When I get to
informing the grandparents, he tells me they already know. I know.
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If I were a grandparent, I would expect so much
better from my grandkids. I would drop Travis until he's
proven that he's bettered himself. He wouldn't be allowed back in.
From my understanding, Grandma has a special connection with Travis,
as they share the same birthday.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Who cares? Who freaking cares? Ah, you share a special
connection with an idiot?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah that's yeah. Just because you share one day out
of three hundred and sixty five or three hundred and
sixty six, depending on the year, doesn't matter. Nope, that
doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
They suck.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Point is, there are only so many obstacles out there.
The family is remaining quiet while grandparents are alive and
then no more. Travis. Matt tells me, I don't have
to go. He knows I don't want him anywhere near Travis,
but he needs to spend time with his family. I
asked what hamas if Travis corners me, and he says
that that won't happen. I don't believe it. I know
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I get pushedy on this, but this is the man
I love, and his cousin who could have unlived him.
I want to spend time with his family too. They'll
be my family within a year. So here I am
read it asking for advice, he said, as he wishes
we weren't in this position, but we are so far.
I feel like I have two options. I know Reddit
loves some drama. Do I stay with my own family
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on Christmas? Or do I go to his family on Christmas?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Stay with your own family.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
If I do go, I'm planning something for just in case.
I know how Travis is. I know he would absolutely
corner me, so I do plan on giving him one
more chance to back off, and if he doesn't, I'll
be telling him a new one loudly, well within an
earshot of everyone. Dude, I think your option should be
should I stay with Matt?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah? Yeah, Matt? What are you doing? I honestly think
I think that you should. I mean, if you do
decide to stay with Matt, then you absolutely should go
visit your your family for Christmas. Why would do I
would not want to be around a family one where
Travis is there, or two a family that allows us
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to happen and is you know, not encouraging, but is
just kind of letting Travis get away with this terrible,
terrible behavior. One he should be in like jail for this.
Oh yeah, but they let him. They let him get
away with it. And now Matt's letting him get away
with it because he's been kind of trained to shut
up and not voice his concerns or his you know,
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the problems that he's having with Travis. Uh, don't don't
go to the Christmas.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Don't go to Christmas family.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, just say I'm going to my family for Christmas.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Be like yo. Matt might need to think this through.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, I think I think he needs to. I think
at the very least, you don't necessarily have to like
end the freaking engagement. But I do think it should
be postponed until he can go to therapy for this,
because this is not good.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Therapy, start some anger management.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I guess I feel like absolutely like that that I
feel like that stems there too, Yeah, because it feels
like he goes zero to one hundred really quick.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, like for no reason.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Absolutely, I think I mean, Travis is clearly a problem.
He's clearly, you know, riling up Matt and saying these
things that are probably very awful.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Riling up, ritting up.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
But Matt twice has been the first to throw the punch. Yeah,
so or well he was the first time. On the
second one, it seems like there was a I don't
know Travis might have been, but like still.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I feel like it's like goofing around and then like it.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Just gets two out of hand, It gets.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What just happened some punches.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Both of them are. Both of them are clearly like
used to solving things with their fists, And I would
not want to get married to someone who was like that. Yeah,
and again this is clearly more like ninety Travis is
in the fault here for all of those fights. But
I think it would it's only something to take a
look at.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Absolutely, I know him taking a risk with tearing him
a new one, but I'm at that enough is enough stage.
I'm sure everyone would know who was responsible, should something
happen to Matt, myself or our animals or proper advice
is very much appreciated. Any other options are very welcomed.
I've excluded plenty of other Travis's moments, but there's plenty
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of ammunition of his character here. This draggedong so much
longer than I thought it would, and I'm sorry about that.
But at Rambilly, I apologize. I've been typing this up
for days and I need advice very soon. I didn't
inform Matt and I would be posting this to Reddit.
I do hope that any comments we get will get
through to him more than his protective fiance seems to be.
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We got an update. Yeah, hopefully this will turn him around.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, you need to have a solid conversation with Matt,
and I think that's I think that's where you're at
because I would be young. This is annoying naming, says
Matt is the one in the story who left her
wife as a dog is attacking them? Remember that story?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
What is that true? Are you saying that they're just
like that guy?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, she's like I think it was an old story.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, I remember the story you're talking about. Kimble defenses.
I've known a good amount of people that get violent,
especially after drinking, and there's always a vibe shift. You
learn to click when it arrives, at least in a group.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah. Yeah, Like the great Samuel Donner said one time
on a drunk plane. While he was drunk on a plane,
I feel like the closest you can get to yourself
is when you're wasted. You were there beside me, We're
going to Paris. Yeah, it was like you, me and
then him, and I was like, I really feel like
my true self. And then he hit up one of
his uh, one of his old friends and was like,
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oh my gosh, I feel like amazing. So I was like, wow, okay, real.
So whenever you're wasted, it really shows who you really aren't.
But we got an update. We got an update.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Hey it's Sam. We can get back to the stories.
But here's three minutes of ads from our sponsors.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
We got a freaking update. Man, I will have a
solid talk tonight. I should not have budge from my
original stance. Update two, this is Matt whoa.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
We got Matt's perspective.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I have to lead off with the question of my integrity.
I am not a coward. I am not advising the issue,
nor am I trying to force the amazing woman who
I love into a situation she does not want to
be in. I would defend her to my passing away breath.
It is not a matter of backing down to another family.
It is compassion for my grandparents. My family is close,
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and my grandparents are the glue that holds us all together.
I'm torn by the fact that I am, in a sense,
being asked to give up what could be my last
time with them to avoid Travis. I have decided that
I can't avoid him my entire life, and I still
have a relationship with the ones I care about. Christmas
is our biggest get together. I don't like it anymore
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than my fiance does. But I will not be a coward.
I am not scared of him. I have told Yeah, dude,
come on, I.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Will not be a coward. You are being a coward.
I'm sorry. I mean, like, this notion that forcing yourself
to be around people who have actively hurt you and
those around you is you being brave is so frustrating
and so like my showman attitude.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, yeah, very much.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I'm not a coward.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm a mad man.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
It's like, no, if you wanted to have a relation
one you could have had. You could have called out
a report against him for him hitting you. You could
have done that, and that would have not, you know,
done anything to this relationship too. If you want to
see your grandparents, go see them on your own time.
You don't have to see them at a party.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
You have a relationship them.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Absolutely, and it would probably be better to go see them,
you know, spend a weekend, do something with them. It
doesn't have to be you hanging around Travis and people
that are letting this happen.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah. Also, like, man, let's put in perspective. If he
if they would have held you in a like choke
hold for more like ten more seconds more, you would
have been here. Man, you would be here.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You would two people ganging up on you, and nobody
in your family is defending you.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's fine, you know, Travis
will be Travis.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You're just like, it is what it is, Yeah kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
That's not such a messed up it, man, that's not it.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Putting yourself in a dangerous position is not being brave.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, I've told ope, it is her decision to join
me or not. I understand and will back her decision
one hundred percent. I have been in yelling mattress with
my parents over this. I had informed them that she
doesn't want to be there, and my mother, whose side
of the family this is, became very upset. After all
the arguing, we came to the point that her not
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attending robs her and the family of getting to know
each other. Obviously, excluding the problems, all I have done
is bring this to her attention, which is all I
told my family I would do. I will not force
her to do anything she does not want to do.
As for safety, I would have never let her out
of my sight. Although my relatives have already stated that
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they will be keeping a watchful eye, they are very
capable of putting Travis in his place if need to be.
My grandfather has been dealing with the beginnings of all
Timer's and for the reason Almer's, Alzheimer's all all time All's,
I would say I would say.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
This Heimer like Heimer, Allheimer, Alheimer, Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's Olsheimer Olsheimer confused, as it is the only
reason I have done things the way I have, I
will not make what could be his last memories about
me and my feelings instead of my love for him. Dude,
I'm just thinking about my grandpa and if this happened
between me and my cousin, which a version of this
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low key kind of did happen, very like ten years younger,
mild version, and my grandpa was like, yeah, they probably
shouldn't be doing that. And then over years it got
better and it was fine, Like, dude, just like, oh
my gosh. As for Tree, some of my relationship, we
are done. He is nothing to me. I've made a
decision recently, after having the time to think clearly about
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the events of that day. I have been placing blame
upon myself for allowing my emotions to rule that day. However,
I have decided that despite that, the actions of Travis
outweigh my transgressions. He showed me that day that he
doesn't care about me or anyone for that matter. The
person I thought I knew isn't him. I was under
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the impression that he looked up to me from his
own words, and that I could be a good example
in his life. It wasn't a matter of not caring
about his wrongdoings. I've called him out several times. He
has hiden his true nature for years. It is only
recently that I've truly seen behind the curtain. He has
been very convincing about things, bank that he wasn't the
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one who unlive the kittens, that he took the blame
for someone else. As for the kid who passed away,
Nobody that was there will speak a word of what
happened that night except that he slip and fell, and
that it's only rumors if Travis was to blame. Dude,
this is what we got to do here. This is
what we gotta do here. We have to get some interrogator,
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some like you know mind mentalists, you know, kung fu specialist,
to talk to Travis and everyone that was there that night,
because this is like what TV shows and like movies
are made of, and ask what happened that night? I
can get the truth. Kittens, the kittens, No, the guy
that get him locked up? For sure.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I also think I don't know if I fully believe
that Travis just kind of at like recently became this person,
because Opie said literally upon first meeting him about it,
she was like, yeah, bad vibes.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, No, I mean he became a bad person. I
think that night whenever he was as a kid, like
it's always been something. Yeah, it's always been something, And
it's always been that family that's not been like giving
travesty right amount of attention that he should have. Don't
forget the vibratar of Behest exactly. I will admit it
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has crossed my mind in the past, but I believe
in innocent until proven guilty. I definitely believe he would
be capable. But that is all I can do. A
lot of the stuff I have only learned myself more recently.
I had no knowledge of much of it. It wasn't
that I didn't care. It was that I was fooled
into thinking he was listening and changing. All that being said,
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I'd forgiven him for our first brawl. I chalked it
up to waste it in stupidity. None of this is
meant as excuses for him, just reasons as to why
I was so blind to his true nature. Looking back
with clear eyes, I see all the lies of manipulation.
I was naive not to see it stacking up the
way it was before. As for the fight, in my
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ability to defend ope. I was blindsided and choked out
by his lackey before either of us got a second swing,
and I never even had the chance to defend myself.
I'm perfectly capable of holding my own in even if
I couldn't. You can bet that if I came to
defending her to my last breath, I would fall on
that sword willingly a thousand times over.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
But she doesn't.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
That's that's not the point, not the point.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
She doesn't want you to pass away. She wants you
to take yourself out of that situation so that you
have a relationship with her alive.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
No, baby, you'll remember how brave I was for that
stupid fight I did.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Oh, that's such a frustrating being like, yeah, I would,
I would pass away for you, Like, no, I want
you alive.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, it's about honor.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
It's it's such a stupid mindset.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, stupid.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I might have been choked out, but I can tell
you this, My last memory was me still trying to
fight them off. Long story short, I'm not the sniveling
weasels some of you have made me out to be.
I'm letting make her own grown up decisions, so am I.
It is not an ideal situation, but whatever her decision is,
she is allowed to do that. I have told her
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I will not make her do anything she does not
want to do, and that I will back her. She
has informed me that she will not be there if
he is, and I back that I won't lie. I
did not know what to say at the moment, because
I'm not looking forward to dealing with the family's side
of things, but I am going to honor her wishes.
As for me, I do not know whether I will
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be attending or not at all. That is all I have.
An update.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Three, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Originally I was planning on responding to a lot of
the comments, but I find that it's the polite thing
to do and I don't really need to do that.
There seem to be a lot of missing the mark comments,
and I had been planning on adding slash context editing
to the clear up what seemed to be the confusion,
which fair I still could do, but we're deciding to
move on. Matt and I had a nice, long adult
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conversation a couple of nights ago and informed him read
its comments were harsh, but not to what extent he
read the comments after I left for the night. Neither
of us is very satisfied with what we've found, but
hey whatever. At the very least, I can thank the
responses for being so incorrect that we had our grown
up talk. It is a very serious issue, and everyone
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handles things in their own ways. My family prefers to
simply cut contact and be done. His not so much,
not yet anyway, I'm not leaving Matt go ahead and
hmmy with the sinking ship fallacy. But I know you're wrong,
basically like going down with the ship. Yeah, I will
be attending Christmas with his family. Que the responses of Op,
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you're stupid, blah blah blah, I don't care. Like I said,
we had an dull conversation and I need to be
there to watch the hope in Travis's ey'd fade when
he realizes he's not manipulating anyone anymore. No one at
that Christmas party will be warm, welcoming, nor to converse
with him. He has not only gone too far, but
he's the middle of the ocean with only a live preserver,
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and he only has himself to blame. By the way,
we will blame you if you don't go to your
favorite podcast platform right now, search up okay, story time
and see stories just like this one. Just go there
and the blame will not be put on you.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yie, Oh, this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Frustrating, Like what are you talking about? You're like, oh,
everyone's gonna hate on him? Then why is he coming
to this party?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Dude, why was he invited?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Still, he's a snake. He's a snake.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Why do you have to I don't know, he's family.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Like, you've spent this whole story being like I don't
like you don't need to be around him, blah blah
blah blah blah, and then you switch up at the
end and be like, I want to be there.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
What bethany, Well, at least they're match for each other.
They're both dumb. Yeah, truly facts, yikes, Like everything you
worked for literally the whole.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Thing was about you being like I don't want to
be there. I'm not going to be around him.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
And then you're like, we had an adult conversation and
I need to be there. Okay, why, opie, why?
Speaker 4 (46:02):
I don't know what you think you're proven.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Of course I do need to be there to see it.
It's one thing to say something will happen. It's another
thing to witness it. Comments got particularly nasty and just
downright rude, which you open yourself up for when you
post something on the internet. But it's just understand it
loses you points of credibility. In my book, hope you
all have a merry Christmas slash happy Holidays and a
happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
This is super frustrating.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, we're like, oh I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
It's like, no, you weren't. We're wrong. The whole time
we were on your side and then you switched up.
Man Bug says it's giving Dormat thinks he's a guard
dog and that's so sad. Yeah, Jilli fine, says think Tank.
The family just sit them down and be like, f Travis,
Am I right, thoughts.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
I'm myriad?
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah? Am I right?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah? Dude, Matt, Like, uh, this just hurts to see
because I've been around families like this, Like I understand
the dynamics of big families, and you know, you have
some loose cannons in there. You work with you still
be nice, still keep them checked up. This this is different,
gone way too fond.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
The thing is that sometimes you have family members that
you don't like that you have to be around. But
when a family member is actively physically harming someone in
the family, they're not good. They no one would allow
Like if that happened mine own, I don't think they
would be allowed to.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
You know. Also, if we're going to this Christmas party,
I'm getting there early and I don't make sure there is
no alcohol to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I would also say like, hey, we should probably tell
them to not have alcoholic here if this is going
to be a danger.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
That'll update. And no comments from Op And this was
like a couple of months ago. Oh wow, nothing, Well,
the only thing I found it's just a funny comment
where it's just like Travis cheets. Matt doesn't care Travis
hits him, he doesn't care enough to report it. Travis
has his way too much on your fiance. One day
he will hurt you, and again nobody will do anything
about it. Matt is a fool.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Don't marry it.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Don't marry him until he files the police report and
gets therapy, or this will be your life.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Op. It's literally it.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Yeah, Bethany says, I'm sure that him being ostracized and
humiliated is not going to cause him to become violent
and lash out. Bethany says, Travis is already volatile. They
cause him to be ostracized, He's just going to lash
it out, be harder. This is like beating the bear.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Oh, p's Oh, I'm gonna go and everyone's no, one's
gonna want to talk to Travis and ah, the light's
gonna leave his aye. Like, No, that's not what's gonna
happen either. The people that you're thinking are going to
uphold their side of the bargain are not going to
do that because everyone seems to just let Travis get
away with whatever he wants, yeah, or Travis is going
to lash out, yeah, And both of those options are
(48:38):
not good.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
It's going to get to the point like what we've
said that oh piece of in the crossairs or like
like in that crossfire and which we don't want.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
But maybe that'll see their ways. But even then I
doubt it.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
I doubt it too. But guys, that is the end
of that story. But if you love us, make sure
to subscribe.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
We love you and Seinema
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