My girlfriend NEVER came home after her night out…I think she’s lying about where she was! - r/relationships | Reddit Stories | EP2094 - ok storytime

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my girlfriend never came home after a night out. I
think she's lying about where she was.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Of coorse, she might not be your girl.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
My girlfriend is unemployed and occasionally goes out on week
nights with her girlfriends in a major city by me.
We've been dating four and a half years and living
together for four of them. Red flags at the top
of the story. That's great, by the way. This comes
from user throwaway four five three a m. And if

(00:46):
you want to submit your own stories, go to the
r slash Okay Storytime subreddit. Her email alerts come through
on our shared iPad, and I saw that she took
an Uber ride and it looks like she dropped her
friends off as well because the Uber route passes their homes.
She was dropped off outside my apartment at two am.
I received the alert afterward and became suspicious.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I can use.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Find my iPhone on our iPad and I can see
that her phone is close by about four blocks away
on the same street.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Uber says she was dropped off here where I live.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
It's all dense apartments and I can't just walk over
there to see what's up. It's likely there are several
apartments in the building where the GPS says she is,
and the GPS could also be off by a building
or two on either say front or back.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm freaking out.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I've called and texted beginning at four forty five am
with no reply.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Sorry, bro, she's busy right now.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Can't come to the phone, can't come home.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
I've called each of her girlfriends twice and no one
has picked up. I'm so worried. Is she okay? Is
she cheating? Seriously, guys, any advice right now would be
really helpful to me. My heart is beating out of
my chest. Do I call her more?

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Do I wait?

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Do I call the police? Major update? Her friend just called.
She said she spent the night with her. This is
a clear cut a lie.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm getting off Reddit for a bit, but we'll update
after we speak. I'm doing my best to be composed
right now. Wish me luck. So update.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
This is insane. Her friend called me and said that
they all stayed at the friend's apartment and uber and
iicloud tell me that's a lie. So I asked to
speak with my girlfriend and was told, oh, she just left.
So I called her phone and she did not pick up.
I'm watching iCloud. The phone is not moved. I think
her friends just nailed her. Coffin shut In any case,

(02:46):
coming from the friend's apartment, she can only come from
two directions. The place where iCloud says she is is
in a different direction. When I see her start to move,
I'm going to wait outside around the corner and catch
her walking back from an impossible direction on the story
she's going to try to sell me. Her friend called
me at nine am and sounded ferantic. Oh my god,

(03:07):
your girlfriend came back to my place last night and
just fell asleep. We both got really wasted. So sorry
that no one called or texted you. But I knew
this was a lie because this friend's apartment is nowhere
near the apartment four blocks up the road from me.
I have no ideas apartment this is. I said that's

(03:28):
okay and asked to speak to my girlfriend, but was
told I couldn't because she just left. Typically it should
take about twenty minutes to get from friend's apartment to
my apartment. More than an hour goes by and still
no girlfriend. I decided to call her, and I could
hear that beep at the end of the ring tone,
signaling me that she's on the other line with someone.

(03:50):
I watched her on find my iPhone, leave the mystery apartment,
stop on a street corner for about fifteen minutes, then proceed.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
To walk a different route. What she was doing was
buying some groceries.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It wasn't groceries.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'll tell you that sounds like a plan.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's a plan to deceive, a conspiracy of the highest order.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
She's probably also getting op like some snacks like oh,
I got you breakfast, I love you.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Here's a coffee.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Imagine she's actually getting breakfast for the other guy.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's what she's doing.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
She's been living with this guy for four years and
she's doing this to him. She's got no job, doesn't
sound like she's trying to get one. So when she
finally did walk in at ten fifteen in the morning,
her excuse was sorry, the shuttle was super slow today,
plus I stopped to get some fresh fruit.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
No apology no, nothing.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
She's acting like I'm a psychopath for caring where she
had been all night, even though it's uncharacteristic for her
to stay out all night. In fact, she usually calls
or texts me when she's on her way home from
the city. Okay, so we go inside and I.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Say, why don't you tell me about your night?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
She goes, we just went to the clurb.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
That's it. In the clurb, we all cheat. That's her
model right there.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I asked if they stayed there all night. She told
me that she stayed there pretty late. This is another lie.
Uber says she was picked up at the club at
one fifty am, and the club's here close at four.
On a typical night, she'll come home between three and
four am. So I ask if they went anywhere else.

(05:21):
Now we're pretty well said, so we went straight from
the club to my friend's apartment. When I got there,
I passed out on the couch. This makes absolutely no
sense because the Uber receipt clearly states that she was
dropped off at my apartment. At this point, I say
to her, are you sure you're telling me everything?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
And she gets heated.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
If you I already have a father and an over
protective brother. Why the f can I just go out
with my friends for one night without you all over
my butt about it? Side note, she goes out with
her friends alone two to three nights a week, and
I let that happen.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
It's like she doesn't constantly go out with them.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
I was gonna pause really quickly to be like, opee,
this is kind of your fault because you have been
dating this girl. I don't know how long she's been employed,
but you've been living with her for four years, her
not having a job, her not having any responsibilities. At
some point, you have enabled that behavior to continue.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
You have enabled it. I think he's in the clear now. Also,
she's going out on weekdays. He can't be going out
on week days all the time. Do we know how
old they are?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't think we have ages. I would assume this
is twenties, early twenties, early twenties.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
He doesn't know any better. This is how all relationships
are to him.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Because they've been together four and a half years, they've
been living together for four of those years, so they
moved in after six months of dating. I mean that
sounds like young early twenties activities. Honestly, so we're getting
into some confrontation here, I think. At this point, I
tell her about the Uber ride receipt and show her
screenshots of the Find my iPhone application. I show her

(07:04):
a journal of the things I attempted to do to
get in touch with her, and explained how worried I was.
Her response was ef you. Why the effort you accused
me of this crap. I constantly try to tag myself
on Facebook and it shows up as the wrong location.
My phone is all fed up. Anyway, I'm not lying.

(07:24):
I went right to friend's apartment. Okay, so why does
Uber have confirmation that you were dropped off here? And
this is where the story breaks apart. Well, we dropped
all the girls off of the apartment first, and then
Uber took me here.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
But I couldn't find the apartment keys anywhere.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
So rather than calling you and waking you up or
ringing the buzzer, I decided to just walk to friend's apartment.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Which is oh dookie.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Why she making it more complicated.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Let's see how big does I can get.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
These people don't read like their matches whatsoever. This guy's like,
I have a journal of the things I attempted to
do to reach out to you, and clearly is responsible
enough to provide enough for both of them to live there.
And she's going out to the clubs on a weekday,
cheating on her man with terrible excuses. There is a disparity.

(08:18):
So she was in a simple club outfit with no jacket.
It was fourteen degrees last night. The streets and sidewalks
here are literally sheets of ice.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
There's no way she walked for thirty five.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Minutes at two in the morning in six inch heels
in those conditions through the ghetto and thirteen degrees.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
No chance.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
She tells me, I'm an a hole and need to
believe her. She tells me she's telling the truth. She
even says, check my phone, and miraculously there's no call
log of whoever she was speaking with from around nine
forty five when I tried calling, and there's a full
text convo of her speaking with her friend about how
they spent the night at friends apartment.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Didn't you have the wrong number?

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Well, clearly, with this completely not manufactured evidence, I must
forgive you. There's no other explanation. I literally had your location.
Do you not know how locations were?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Mind?

Speaker 7 (09:12):
You?

Speaker 4 (09:12):
These texts are all sent during the time period where
I see her on Find my iPhone leaving the apartment
to hang out on a random corner. These girls were
straight plotting, so I calmly told her that I'm not
buying it and that I'm ending the relationship immediately. Yes,
I packed a large bag in front of her with

(09:32):
my clothing and laptop, and I'm leaving within the next
half hour. She's basically pretending this isn't happening. She's acting
cool about it. She's just saying, in a normal speaking voice, Well,
if this is what you want to do, I won't
stop you.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
So that's that.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
I think she thinks I'm going to flip at the
last moment and stay. I think that she thinks she
can push the limits and win. I'm not wrong, right, No,
you are not wrong. You are doing the exact right thing.
If Find my iPhone says you're up the block, don't
tell me you stayed a ten minute car ride away.
The GPS is not inaccurate. This is effing reliable science.

(10:11):
I don't know what will happen to me from here
on out. I've got a six month expensive gym membership
I need to deal with. We had a mountain trip
and Florida trip planned within the next thirty days, plus
all of our friends overlap. In any case, I don't
know if she cheated, but I'm ninety nine point nine
nine nine percent certain that she stayed somewhere else and

(10:32):
is actively trying to cover it up. I think that
might be some coping mechanism. What do you think that?
I mean, clearly, I know what I think, Riley. What
happened that night.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
We know what happened. If you really want to get
some more information, we'll see how loyal your friends are.
If this isn't enough evidence for me, which it already is,
I would go and bribe. I'd try and get some
information and be like, hey, like I was really worried
about you know, my girlfriend. Can you kind of like
tell me what happened? Because like, also, smaller stuff has

(11:01):
not been working out really well. I don't know. I
would figure out a story where the girlfriend maybe might
be doing something mean to one of the girlfriends, like yeah,
I saw that she had like these certain type of
shoes at her house and they weren't really hers, and
then that person's like I'm missing a pair of shoes,
or like oh, yeah, I have this dress. It's like
I'm missing this dress.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
First you have to take the shoes, then you have
to pin it on the girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
There's a couple of layers there. But you know what
the good news is is that you can just.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Move right on along.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
She's actually trying to place blame on me for being possessive.
I was called a psycho and a stalker, and she's
acting like it doesn't even matter if I leave f.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
This, I'm out nice.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
And by the way, we never want you to say
f this to us, because you can constantly listen to full.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Episodes with stories like this. All you have to do
is go to Spotify or have a podcast wherever you get.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Your podcasts from and just search okay, storytime, and then
you can have forty eight days worth of can secutive
podcast content twenty four times forty eight hours at the least.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
So we do have a little.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Bit more story left. Honestly, I think he's got the
right mentality here. Get out of there, dude, enjoy your friend.
I know you got some trips coming up. Make the
most out of it.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Go on those trips.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I mean, if they're not like you know, like built
for romance. Take somebody else. This person was not the
right one for you anyway. You need someone who was thoughtful.
This really started with Op being worried. Op was like concerned,
like my girlfriend didn't come home, and then it just
evolved into oh god, it's this. If you've got any
criticism or kind words for me as I start my
new life, please comment. I'll come back on once I

(12:40):
get to my parents' house later this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
My plan is to live.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
There until I can figure out new living accommodations. Finally,
thank you all for the advice and tremendous amount of
support this morning. I was in a really bad place
and don't know what I would have done without aw
Slash Relationships. I feel like I was having a panic
at Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
And that is the end of that story. Honestly, get tested.

(13:05):
Who knows how long she's been cheating on you. This
might just be the first time that you caught her.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You never know. Do you already have the conviction to
just move forward? Which is what you need?

Speaker 4 (13:13):
And I think the reason she might be so cool
about this where it's like, you know, cause she's kind
of in hobo mode. Right now, she's probably thinking, I
can just go to the guy I was with last night.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'll just go to his place.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
She might be thinking that, who knows, But you don't
have to think about her anymore because that's over.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Just like this story.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
My boyfriend is furious because my brother crashed on my
couch after a parting.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I mean, did he ruin the couch though? Did he
keep the shoes on?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
So my brother and I live in different parts of
the country and only really see each other once every
few months. He was going to be in my town
from last Wednesday until Saturday evening, so we made plans
to go clubbing on Friday night with some friends of mine.
We hung out and came home around four, and I
only have one bed in my apartment, so my brother

(14:01):
crashed on my couch. By the way, this comes from
throw Away Something the Couch and if you want to
submit your own stories, go to our size. Okay, story time,
selb bred it. So we both woke up a few
hours later, grabbed lunch and went to the airport, and
my brother headed back over to where he lives. After that,
he sent me a text when his flight got in
safely and that it was now. My boyfriend and I

(14:24):
don't live together, but I stay his place quite often,
or he'll stay at mine. He usually works two weeks in,
two weeks out, and he came home yesterday morning, so
naturally I was pretty excited to see him. I picked
him up and we came back to my place. Afterward,
while chatting, I mentioned that my brother slept night at

(14:44):
my place, and he kind of got weird. I kind
of prodded him to tell me what was up, because
for the life of me, I couldn't figure out what
would cause him to go so quiet and soul and
when just five minutes before we were having a flowing conversation.
He told me it was nothing, so I just left it,

(15:05):
and then later asked him again because he was still in
a bad mood. He said that he didn't like the
idea of another man staying at my place, regardless of
who it is, and that it will not be happening
in the future. No more men, no matter if they
are kin. I really got confused here because it's my
brother sleeping on my couch for one night after we

(15:27):
hung out. It's not some stranger or hell, even a
guy friend of ours. It's my brother. I laughed it
off and said, you can't be serious, you have to
be joking, and he got really angry and left my place.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Hey, the trash just took itself out. Good job.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Last night, I got an angry text saying that as
his girlfriend, I have to respect his wishes. And while
I get respecting that your significant other wants compromise and
the works, isn't this ridiculous? I responded as asking him
why my brother sleeping all my couch was so bad?

(16:04):
He just said it just was, and that a proper
girlfriend doesn't let other men stay over alone with her,
and that it's incredibly disrespectful to him. More confusion from me,
because again, this isn't some dude I brought home.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's my brother.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
So I tried talking to him after this, but I
got a message saying we'll talk when he's composed himself.
What am I to do? I really love my boyfriend,
but this is just confusing and I don't know how
to react. Also, I should know I've never had any
other guys alone in my place. Literally, only my boyfriend,

(16:42):
apart from my brother, has ever been with me alone there.
The only other guys I've been there have been if
I have a small group get together, and that's quite rare.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Wait, this is Opie's place, even worse insanity. It's breakup time, girl,
so we got to edit.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay, So my boyfriend and I have been texting the
past hour or so. What do you think he said?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Do you have any guesses?

Speaker 7 (17:06):
He's just being like, duh, I can't accept that other
men exist.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's me though.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
I think he's just hyper, and he's also probably trying
to pull a power play proudet.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
It feels very like alpha male, like duh. This is
where a god, like a real man in a relationship
demands from his partner.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
And it's like, by the way, all those guys are
just trying to sell you a course.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's stupid.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Just be present with your partner and trust them, at
least with their siblings.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
This guy has just showed you that he's trash. That's all.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Okay. So my boyfriend I had been texting the past
hour or so. He sent me a hey, and I
was kind of in a pissy mood after he brushed
me off last night, so I simply replied with the
or you were ready to talk? He replied, okay, So
I asked him what the deal was with my brother
sleeping on the couch. He's not some random guy from
a bar. He's not even a guy for He's more

(18:01):
than that. He's my brother. I grew up with him,
and there's absolutely no reason for him to worry or
freak out in that situation because it's my brother, of
all people. There is a literally nothing threatening in that situation,
not physically towards me or towards our relationship. His response,
I just am not comfortable with that. I know it's

(18:22):
your brother, but I think there are boundaries that should
be in place. Why didn't he go back to the
friend's place he stayed at on Wednesday and Thursday. My response,
you're not answering my question and just telling me what
you told me last night. Also, my apartment was closer
to the club than his friend's place. Him. We've been
together for some time now, and I think as a couple,

(18:44):
it looks bad when you let other guys stay over,
regardless of who they are to you. I would never
do something to you like that, and I think it's
only fair that you reciprocate that. It's hard to explain
things because I know you can't see them from my perspective, continued,
You should not really need other guys so close to you.

(19:04):
Why couldn't you, Josh, put your brother in a cab
and send him on his way, just like we normally
do with all our other friends. Anyway, I'm in a
meeting right now, and I'll talk to you later. Enjoy
your day, babe. Bye. We got an edit too. I
like the part where he didn't answer any questions.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, where he just made this all your fault.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Essentially, He's just like, Yeah, it's actually just you being
incredibly disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Does he not know what a brother is? Is he confused?

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Did he hit his head recently? What are the passable
excuses for like thinking this way? Like, are there even any.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
No, it's just insecure, it's coming from a place of insecurity,
or is thinking some really messed up things?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I don't think we have that, But it's like, regardless,
he needs to find another one and it shouldn't be
with you, op, because if this is what he's doing now, like,
just imagine the other things that are gonna come down
the line.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Edit too, everyone, I don't even know how the heck
to react right now. This is the first time he's
ever acted like this. He's met my brother before and
they've always gone along so well. Comments Commed one. The
whole disrespectful to him thing screams that he thinks of
you as his as in property to me. Comment two,
This is pretty disturbing behavior, in my opinion, very controlling

(20:16):
and unreasonable. I'd be very wary if I were you.
I think you need to get to the bottom of
this before your relationship progresses any farther. Very controlling stuff.
I'm only thought here would be and perhaps this is
blowing it way out of proportion, but does he have
some kind of traumatic brother sister relationship thing in his
past somewhere? Ollie replies, He's an only child, so no

(20:38):
chance of any trying to ties brother slash sister events
in his past, so he probably doesn't even understand how
brothers and sisters work.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Like Dakota, It's just like if you cannot trust your
partner with their own sibling, if you're gonna feel disrespected
by the presence of just another male, regardless of biological relation,
then you are not built for a relationship right now.
You have other priorities and other things that you need
to sort out.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
I don't know if you're built for anything. Right now,
my guy is trying to pretty much own his girlfriend.
He has no idea how relationships at work, and yeah,
all of that if that's just how he is with
just guys in general, Like, oh, you can't have any
male friends along with any male siblings.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
This guy's out of pocket.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's so over.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
So against my better judgment, I did not immediately break
up with my boyfriend. I tried convincing myself it was
a one time thing, maybe he was just having a
rough patch, and I tried pushing it down. I did
not tell my brother what happened, and he replied saying
he'd always thought of my boyfriend and him were cool

(21:47):
with each other at the very least. He then told me,
my boyfriend is being nuts and if I need to
crash for a few days, I could come up to
his end. So the rest of the week remained tense
with my boyfriend, but closer to the weekend it was
relaxed ish. We went on a date, hung out with
some friends at a bar together, and yet, for the
life of me, I could have figured out reasons for

(22:09):
his outburst. So on Sunday, I asked him again now
that you seem in a better mood, Would it be
so bad if I asked what was up last week?
And once again mood went from friendly and relaxed to arctic.
He simply asked me if i'd keep bringing up yes
when we were doing okay, because it's.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Highly concerning and to break up worthy.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
This guy's tunnel visioned as heck man.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I got pretty angry at him and told him to
leave my apartment. Since Sunday, I've been stewing and just
looking back at a relationship. Sure, I have my friends,
but we hang out with him much less. The ones
we do hang out with are more his friends and
people that he is cool with being with. It was rough,
but looking back on it, I started seeing controlling behavior

(22:56):
from him that I had never taken up due to
eat either just being head over heels and willing to
compromise on everything, and by compromise I mean roll over
and give up. We talked last week and I gave
him an ultimatum, something I never expected to give my relationship.
Either you sit and try to talk this out with
me like a rational person, nobs answers and no dodging questions,

(23:20):
or we break up. Instead of having a conversation, he
broke down started telling me I was the best thing
he's ever had, and that he has issues that he
can't even begin to explain, and that he doesn't want
to lose me. By the way, you will never lose
us if you join us on your favorite podcast platform.
Just search up Okay Storytime and what will be either.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Dakota forty eight days later and you will have listened
to the entire Okay Storytime catalog. However, that's forty eight
consecutive days, non stop.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Anyways, back to the story. After you see one red flag,
it seems like there's a a pile of them. How
big does one red flag need to be in order
to see all the small ones.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
It's not even that this is necessarily the biggest red
flag ever, it's just more like such a telling indicator
that like, well, this isn't a person who you want.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
To be in a relationship with.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
He's insecure about your brother, and it's more like just
like on the basis like principle that he is a man,
that's ridiculous, and now for him to be like, well,
it's like I have all this stuff and all this
these things that these problems that you can't even begin
to understand. It's like, yeah, I can't understand because you're
not gonna talk to me about it. So if you're

(24:30):
literally not gonna say anything, if you're not going to
explain yourself whatsoever, then there's no way forward. Even if
you do explain yourself, OPI still has the right to
be like, all right, well, it's nice to know at
least where your head's at. However, I don't think I
can be with you still. So it's all up to
this guy on whether or not he wants to even
try to be honest. But if I were OP, I'd

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be done.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
I'd be out of there, girl. But we got the
end of the story right here now. I'm sorry if
this is the part that makes me seem like a witch,
but it wasn't the answer I wanted or deserved, not
when I've been the one rolling over and giving him
whatever throughout our entire relationship. So I told him that
it was best if we didn't see each other anymore,
that he should leave my apartment because he was about

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to love bomb you.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
This is gonna make some people mad. Yes, let me
man up and talk to you about my issues. Yeah,
if you have something like that, great, But it seems
like it was about to become a cycle.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
To OP being like, it's not the answer I wanted.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Op, you didn't get one. You literally didn't even get
an answer. You got an excuse, which is I've got
so many problems. Knock, knock, who's there. Oh, it's the
universal human experience. Everyone has a lot of problems. Everyone
deals with them every day. Like, if you're in a
like partnership with somebody, that's someone you can tell your

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problems too. If there's real vulnerability and openness here, there
is a path forward. However, it doesn't feel like this
guy is gonna do that at all, And it feels
like he said that probably as a cheap attempt to
try to manipulate OP into just being like, oh, well,
he's got problem.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
He left and spent almost two hours just sitting in
his car in front of my place before leaving when
it was close to midnight. So yeah, we woke up.
I feel more saddened than relieves, hoping I don't do
something stupid like waist down him or call him over
because I'm lonely or something like that. But yeah, we're
not together anymore. It sucks, but it had to be done.

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My daughter had an accident while playing with my husband,
but he refuses to apologize. And guys, this is a direct.

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It is a long bumpy ride, so buckle up.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
I am Sally thirty nine female and my partner John,
thirty seven male. We were in the kitchen hanging out
with our daughter Sandra female eleven and his eldest and
my stepdaughter Lily female seventeen. These are all fake names,
by the way. This comes from user trick Enthusiasm fifty
eight eighteen and if you want to submit your stories,

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go to the r slash Okay storytime subreddit. So Sandra
and John were horsing around and Sandra tried to get
past him. He blocked her path. In the process of
him blocking her way, Sandra's hip got slammed into the counter.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
She was hurt and upset.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
She ran from the room and I was worried, and
I went to check on her with a gel ice
pack for her hip. It looked to me that John
bumped into her with his hip when she tried to
get by. Sandra also felt him push her with his hip.
She was angry at him, and I asked her what
it would take to make her feel better about the situation.
She jokingly said, I want to get back at daddy.

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So I said, okay, let's go. So we ran in
there so she could see me. You get her revenge,
so to speak. I ran up to John and told
him I got to give him the old one two
for Sandra because he bumped into her and she got hurt.
I barely gave him just the weakest little tap on
his left pectoral muscle. I whispered to him, sorry, I

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was just trying to cheer her up and joke her
out of being mad at you. He said, it's fine,
it didn't hurt. I told John that if he just apologized,
she would feel better about the situation and it could
be resolved.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
But he made.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Excuses and said everything except I'm sorry I hurt you.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Interesting just a little humility would go a long way here, John.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Maybe he has demand avoidance. He instead played the victim
and blamed Sandra bold move. Let's see if that one
pays off. I got angry and raised my voice. I
will admit that I have a temper and I do
tend to raise my voice when I get angry. I
said that all he has to say is sorry, without
all the excuses. We know it was just an accident

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and there was no ill intent on his part, but
he is the adult and needs to show the kids
that he can take accountability for his part in the accident,
especially since she is the kid and she got hurt.
He just argued with me that he did nothing wrong
and if she didn't try to leave, she wouldn't have
gotten hurt. I argued that if he didn't block her

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way when she tried to leave, she would have been fine.
He keeps bringing it back up again when other things happen.
Him and I were playing and I gave him a
little smack with the oven mitt he blocked and hurt
his pinky in the process. He made a not so
subtle comment about how he isn't mad and other people
should act like him when they get hurt and it's

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no one's fault. I told him The difference is I
was apologizing to him and getting him ice for his fingers.
Though I did say he shouldn't have blocked because he
wouldn't have hurt his finger. I also pointed out that
we were both adults and Sandra is a kid and
she got hurt. That's the point right there that I'm like,
where's your brain?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I don't know if he knows how to bother.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
This feels like more like an interaction between siblings.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
You're right, he's acting like instead of like a dad,
he's acting I like, it's like an older brother where
it's like, well.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
No, uh, she want to got hurt or she didn't
try to leave, and it's like, that's not really what
it's about.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
It's just about making sure she's fine doing the adult
thing and just going, oh, sorry, is your hip okay?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
And then she'll go yeah, it's okay, and you go
all right, well we're okay. Right.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
That's all that's all we were looking for here, At
least that's my sense. He said that Lily the older daughter,
So he said Lily saw it too and took his
side and didn't understand why I was mad at him.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
She didn't see him bump into her.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
She never said that to me or when I was
in the room, so who knows what's true. I argued
that I was closer and saw it from a different angle,
and that Sandra felt him bump into her. Sandra is okay,
by the way, it was just a scrape, but it
made bruise. This just happened last night, so I'm not sure.
I'm no serious injuries though, the issue is that it

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hurt more than her hip his reaction hurt her feelings. Yeah,
that's the real problem here is It's like, why are
we trying to like blame the eleven year old child
when you hip checked her. You clearly hip checked her
for maybe like running through the kitchen or something, and
we're trying to invalidate her. You're just trying to avoid

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any and all accountability or blame for the situation, which
is making it worse. My guy could have been very
quick in and out, super fast, and now we're done
moving on with our lives.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
John is much harder on Sandra than the other two kids.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
We also have a son together, a six year old
named Jack, who is on the autism spectrum. John treats
Sandra like he doesn't like her as much as the
other two kids. He's been more distant with me since
Sandra was born. He struggled for a few years after
she was born and was not around much during that time.
I feel like he missed out on the best age
for bonding with her, which would be zero to five

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years old. We moved when she was ten months old,
and he was feeling a lot of pressure in financial
stress at that time. I think Sandra believes he wanted
a son and was disappointed when she turned out to
be a girl, and I honestly kind of agree. He
rarely tries to spend time with her, and when he does,
he's usually mean to her. The stars are not aligning

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for you, John, this is not looking good.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
You got his son eventually. That's weird. I don't know
if I can ever understand that, because my first kid,
I would love for it to be a girl. But
if it comes a boy, I'm not gonna be like, oh.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
No, I'm just happy to have a son or a daughter.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
If you're not ready for either of the options, then
don't have a kid. It's that simple, like, come on,
what are we doing. He rarely tries to spend time
with Sandra, and when he does, he's usually mean to her.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I've tried to bridge the gap, but to no avail.
His behavior towards her has affected her mental health in
a negative way. I have told him this, and he
doesn't listen to me and often refuses to talk to
me about it or blames her because of her bad attitude.
But she is the child.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
He is supposed to be the one that shows her
that he loves her, not the other way around. Right, yes, correct,
you're arguing like you're on even footing with an eleven
year old girl who is your daughter?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Crazy conspiracy theory. May not think it's his kid.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Oh he's gonna say, I was gone a lot, I
was at the office. Meanwhile, you had a little baby
I don't think is mine. If that really is, like
you're you can't deal with like having a daughter or
having a son.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
You only want one. Go adopt, adopt.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
That's how you can guarantee that you get exactly what
you want, like it's a candy store, I guess. But
come on, guys, anyway, So I feel like he treats
her badly because she won't kiss his butt and act
like he's some kind of hero, buttering him up with
fake praise. I don't either usually, which is why we fight.

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I am abrupt and honest nowadays, and she takes after
her mother.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I guess. I love my kids and I want John.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
To see that he is damaging his relationship with her
and me with his behavior. I want to keep my
family together, but I sometimes wish I could leave him
and take the kids. I can't, though I will explain
why before you all scream leave him. You are a
terrible mother for subjecting these kids to abuse. Just listen
to my reasoning before you judge me. I have thought

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of nothing else for it many years. I am a
stay at home mom and we are unmarried. There's no
common law marriage in my state, and I would leave
with nothing after supporting him in his career and raising
his children for fifteen years. I also fear about the
way the kids would be treated and cared for during
his time alone with them if we separated. John and

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his parents insisted that we use corporal punishment on the kids,
and I refused. John's family are firm believers in the
Bible verse if you spare the rod, you spoil the child.
I also didn't allow him to get physical with the kids.
I didn't let his parents babysit at all unless I
had no choice, because they didn't respect my wishes on

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the no spanking rule.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I don't believe.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
In using physical punishment to teach kids how to behave.
I think it reduces their spirit and traumatizes them and
doesn't teach them anything positive. Big facts. I'm just gonna
say we're in agreement and move forward. I want to
keep my family together. The risk of abuse and neglect
goes up when parents are separated, not to mention other

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things like anxiety and substance abuse. I'm not saying having
parents stay together and argue often is much better, but
sometimes life is like voting for a president. Neither choices
are great or even good options, but you have to
pick the lesser of two evils. I do still love
that son of a little witchy man deep down, even
though I also hate his guts most days. John has

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some good qualities as well. He's not physically abusive, He's
a good provider, and he spoils us. He does love
us all, Sandra too, he just has a piss poor
way of showing it. Sometimes he is good in the
spicy arena, which is what first drew us to each other.
At first, it was infatuation and a little spicy chemistry.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
He usually gives.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Into what I want, especially when it comes to the
kids in the house, which is nice. And by the way,
another nice thing that you can do is listen to
full episodes of stories like this. All you gotta do
is go to Spotify, have a podcast wherever you get
your podcasts from, and search Okay story time, and there
you can peruse the plethora of podcasts peculiarities as you wish.

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We do have a little bit of the story left.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
You know, I'm not a lawyer.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
I am not familiar with common law and marriage laws
and all of this. But it's like it sounds like
you've really done the math on like what's positive and
what's negative. I think maybe a conversation with parents, you know,
if John's parents, anyone who's part of the web, the
support structure that you have, and if you find yourself

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isolated from like family, like that's like maybe another red
flag there. I know that there's two sides to every coin,
but it's like, if you really are worried about like abuse,
like it really doesn't sound like this is a guy
that you want if that is something that's even a
consideration where it's like when we got to figure out
which way is least the least amount of abuse, It's like,

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if there's abuse in.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Any context, really that's not good.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
So I would figure out what the laws are, figure
out what kind of rights that he would have to
the kids divorce. I think, yeah, I think if if
you're at the point where you're like weighing the different
sort of variables of like where the most likely source
of abuse and be coming from, Like if you even
have to weigh that, I just don't think that's the

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right guy to be with. I don't think that's the
guy that you want raising your kids.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I would say therapy in this case, this seems like
the first case that Obi has been confronted with an
issue like this. I mean they've probably talked about it before.
This is the actual, like first case. I'm gonna say,
go to therapy, see where his head's at, where your
head's at, and work on a solution together, or that
it might be best to have this problem apart.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
If there's any doubt at all of their like actual safety.
That's not a conversation that's like a immediately needing to
find a way forward without that threat. There is a
little bit more here, let's finish it off. I am
also not perfect. I admit that I contribute to the
toxic dynamic in our relationship. I am easily triggered and
tend to yell when I get angry, but I try

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to at least admit to my failings and apologize when I.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Am an a hole.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
He almost always refuses to admit any wrongdoing or apologize
for any of his often awful behavior. Has not a
pretty picture there, op. That is the ugly truth from
my perspective. Sorry, that was so long. So am I
the a hole for blaming my partner and asking him
to apologie eyes when our daughter got hurt while they

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were horsing around in the kitchen in Oh? That spells
absolutely not. But I do think that this is just
a sliver, like a little microcosm, in a much larger
issue overall, which is that y'all's dynamic as partners. Does
it really seem to be working on all of the

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levels that really matter the most?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (39:24):
My brother is blocking me from his life because of
a lie his wife made up about me. Block her there,
you haven't just block her. I Female thirty eight, am
no longer in contact with my brother, male thirty I
will refer to him as E. Elliott and his now wife,
female thirty six, whom I'm whom I will refer to

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as s Sally. They met and started seeing each other
around six years ago.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
They met in a bar and.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
He introduced Sally to the family not long after. Initially
we got along well. And by the way, this comes
from you initial meet eight seven to nine. If you
want to submit your own stories, go to Roka Storytime
subredd it So. Being eight years older than Elliott, I
have always had a maternal instinct toward him. I had
longed for a sibling for many years before he arrived,
and when I had finally had a brother, excuse me,

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I wanted to do everything for him, bathing, changing, feeding,
playing with him, and when we were older, babysitting.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
I did it all. I adored him.

Speaker 8 (40:20):
We grew up very close despite the age gap, and
he would often run things by me, looking for advice
as he got as he grew older. The first time
the family met Sally, I welcomed her with open arms
and made a conscious effort to find common ground with her.
I genuinely liked her. My aunt and uncle later said
they found it strange that a woman in her thirties
with her own home, mortgage, car, and a decent job
wouldn't entertain the idea of a relationship with a twenty

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four year old man living at home with his mother
with no driver's license, no car, and a minimum wag
part time job. So I honestly hadn't considered this, but
it made me a little wary. A few months later,
Elliott and Sally announced that they were expecting a baby together.
This is when other family members began speculating that Sally
was using him to have a baby. I thought this

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was slightly unfair because I liked her, but this accusation
stayed in the back of my mind. From then on,
I was very much looking out for signs of something being.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
Out of place.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
They had a baby, a beautiful baby boy, and we
were all delighted. I was thrilled to be an aunt
for the first time, and we made lots of trips
to visit them in Sally's home, as Elliott had since
moved in with her about an hour's drive away. For context,
that would be relevant later. I have three boys myself
who are much older than Elliott and Sally's baby. As
I had my children when I was very young. My

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boys had always had a wonderful relationship with Elliott, and
we were super excited to have a baby cousin. A
Few months later, after their baby's arrival, Elliott and Sally
were typical tired first time parents. Sally had arranged to
go to a spa day with some girlfriends for much
needed r and R, and Elliott asked if he could
bring the baby over to my place and spend the
day there, as he had never been left alone all

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day with the baby before.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
I was super.

Speaker 8 (41:54):
Excited to have the day with my nephew, and my
boys were thrilled to spend time with their uncle and cousin.
Elliott arrived and brought the baby inside. The baby was
very unsettled, and Elliott mentioned that he had been like
this for several days and that he and Sally were
unsure why. Being a mother of three myself, I noticed
straight away that the baby was teething, dribbling, red cheeks, runny, nappy, crying.

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I told Elliot what I thought and suggested some infant
pain relief suitable for the baby's age. I happened to
have some in the cupboard and asked if he would
like to try it. He was unsure and wanted to
run it by Sally first. He began trying to call
and text her, but wasn't getting response to to her
being on a SPA day, having treatments and not having
her phone on her. After several hours, Elliott said he
wanted to try the infant pain relief. We gave it

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to the baby and within twenty minutes he was settled
and smiling.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Hey, the baby got a SPA day.

Speaker 8 (42:43):
Elliott was so happy because his baby was no longer
in pain and we had a lovely time playing with
him before he went for a nap. This is when
Sally returned Elliot's cause and began freaking out about the
idea of him being given medicine. Elliott tried to explain
that it was appropriate for his age, I had had
worked and that the baby was now happy and settled.
Sally was still angry, and Elliott began to worry because

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he had upset her. Sally later came by to collect
Elliott and the baby and was visibly fuming with both
of us. About an hour later, I received a text
from Elliott saying that I had no right to give
his baby medicine. Come on, that Sally was upset and
that she wanted me to apologize. So I spoke with
Sally and smooth things over, Although she was clearly still unhappy.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
We moved on.

Speaker 8 (43:27):
So A short time after this, I came across a
Facebook post created by Sally with photos of their son. Okay,
I'm nervous where this is going. He looked just like
an old photo I had of my brother at around
the same age. I took a picture of the photo
I had and commented, saying how like they were. Next
thing I know, I can no longer access Sally's profile.

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I had been blocked. I then received a message from
Elliott asking me to apologize to Sally for my comment.
I was baffled and ask him what he meant. He
explained that one of Sally's friends had commented before me,
saying how the baby looked like Sally, and that my
comment and photograph were seen as challenging Sally's friend's opinion.

Speaker 9 (44:09):
Presumably the baby looks like both of them.

Speaker 8 (44:11):
Yeah, boombos, you know I feel like that's such a
common thing.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
You're going to a party. It's like, oh my god,
he is your eyes, he is your nose.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, Sally was very upset.

Speaker 8 (44:21):
I told my brother that I would not be apologizing,
that I'd done nothing wrong, and then I was entitled
to my opinion, and it's also a compliment.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
At the time, I was packing.

Speaker 8 (44:29):
To go in on a holiday on my own with
three kids, and I was super busy, so I didn't
have time for unnecessary drama. I went away on holiday
and didn't think any more of it, expecting everything to
blow over while we were away.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
It didn't.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
We later met up as a family for my aunt's
birthday meal at a restaurant. My aunt texted me and
my brother in advance, explaining that she wanted the family
to be together and that she did not want any
issues at the meal. She said that if we did
not want to speak to one another, that was totally fine,
so long as no one was nasty or caused a scene.
I arrived with my three children and so I Ellien
and Sally already there with their baby. They did not

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make eye contact with me, so I took their lead
and found the seat of the opposite end of the table.
My boys went over to them to say hello before
coming back to sit in near meet. The meal ride
and everything seemed to be going well. Toward the end
of the evening, the baby became restless, so they took
him out of his pushchair. We all took turns holding him,
passing him along the table for cuddles, or bouncing him
on our knees. I took my turn, enjoyed some time

(45:24):
with my nephew and managed to get a photo of
myself with him.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Now fond memory for me.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Oh, they're gonna hate that.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
They yeah.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
After the meal, once we were back home, I got
another text for my brother. What do you think he's
gonna be mad about?

Speaker 9 (45:37):
He's gonna say, I can't believe that you took a
photo of getting our child without our permission.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
After the meal, once we were back home, I got
another text my brother complaining that I had the opposite
ignored their baby. I told him that this was not
true and set him the photo of the baby on
my knee. He responded by asking me to leave the
phone I did not have for miss in the photograph.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
His son got it.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
Nailed it, nail it, but it's.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
How is he mad at both?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
He's like no, but I think that was like a
bad brother.

Speaker 9 (46:09):
He was like, how dare you ignore my child? I
know he was like I didn't. Here's proof, and he's like.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Gotcha all right.

Speaker 8 (46:14):
The month after this incident, it was my brother's birthday
and my mom, myself, and my boys were invited over
to the house for a takeaway. I saw this as
an olive branch and decided it would be a good
idea to go and try to clear the air. Don't
look the baby, but don't ignore the baby. But don't
take a photo of the baby. But make sure you
do photograph the baby. But if the baby is in pain,

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make sure to help it. But if you help it wrong,
you're in the wrong.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
It's all about balance, and that's called motherhood.

Speaker 8 (46:41):
When we arrived, Ellie answered the door and told us
that Sally was upstairs with a friend that she would
be down a bit later. He gave us the takeaway
menu and left us alone downstairs. Well, he went upstairs
with Sally and her friend. It was weird and there
was definitely an atmosphere. We looked at the menu, decided
what we wanted to order. My brother came back down
sometime later and said, how dare you order something? Though,
and ordered the food, deciding to pick it up rather

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than having it delivered since it was only a ten
minute walk away. My eldest son asked if he could
go with my brother to collect the food, and they
both set off together, leaving myself, me, Mum, and my
two younger brothers on our own downstores downstairs, and Sally
still hadn't come downstairs. We went into the kitchen to
prepare plates, glasses, and cutlery for when Elliott and my
son returned with the food. When they arrived, Sally and

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her friend came into the kitchen and played up their
food while we were plating up ours. Neither of them
said anything to any of us, and it was really awkward.
I asked my brother where he would like us to
sit to eat, because there was a small table in
the kitchen big enough to see four people, but there
were eight of us. He told us to go and
sit in the living room, so we did. My mom,
my three boys, and I sat with our food in
our laps, and my brother joined us, but Sally and

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our friend remained in the kitchen. After we finished eating,
I made our excuses and left because the atmosphere was
too uncomfortable to bear.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
When we get home, I received.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
A message from my brother saying that Sally had told
him that while he and my son were out collecting
the food, she had came downstairs and said hello to me,
and that I had ignored her.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
She was upstairs the whole time, but then she came.

Speaker 9 (48:05):
Oh, I went directly to the kitchen.

Speaker 8 (48:07):
And then said specifically didn't say anything, so she'd lied ma.
I responded telling him this was untrue, and then called
my mom to clarify that I hadn't gotten it wrong.
I was seriously starting to doubt my own sanity at
this point. My mom agreed with me and called my
brother to tell him that Sally was What Sally was
saying was untrue. He told her that he believed Sally

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that her friend was backing.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Her up, and that Sally was not a liar.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
But my mom called me back and said there wasn't
much more she could do because she was worried that
she kept telling e or Elliott that Sally was lying.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
She might not be able to have contact with her grandson.

Speaker 9 (48:41):
Okay, but what about Opie's like children. I mean, it
just seems like she's like, oh yeah, Ohpi, will you know,
let us walk all over her so it doesn't matter
if I don't defend her.

Speaker 8 (48:54):
You could only say so much to be like this
didn't happen, and then at some point, you know, you're
just gonna be hurting the relationship and is a mother,
like what else can you do?

Speaker 5 (49:06):
That's frustrating though, Yeah, it's super frustrating. This whole situation
is very frustrating.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
Then I received a message from Elliott saying that I
was no longer allowed any contact with my nephew.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
This is so sad.

Speaker 8 (49:18):
A few days later, I had email from my dad,
who had up until this point not been too evolved
in the situation. He and my mom divorced over twenty
years ago and is not local to the rest of
the family. He and I are close, and he wanted
to give me a fair warning of the storm that.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Was brewing it could brew even more.

Speaker 8 (49:34):
He formed me a letter that Sally had emailed to
the entire family Dude, Dad's looking out for op, mom, dad, auntie, uncle,
and grandma. A four page war document listing everything that
I had supposedly done wrong to herself, Elliott and their baby,
and they're all lies according to.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
Open and they're all lies.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
All from the perspective of a lunatic. I called each
of my family members and asked them what they thought
on the email. They all said they would be standing
by me, but did not want to be the one
to respond to defend me, as they were all concerned
about their relationship with Elliott and the baby. She had
been threatening everyone with this prospect of not being involved
in the baby's life. Should anyone challenge her, Yeah, at

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that point, as a family, I would be like no,
as OPI I would expect that.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
I don't want to be upset if my family is.

Speaker 8 (50:24):
If you say it up and out of fear of
them being kicked out, they're just gonna be complicit in
me being mislabeled, lied about, and kicked out of a
relationship with my nephew.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
I would be furious of my family me too. My
dad therefore took.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
The lead and replied on behalf of the whole family,
saying that this would not be tolerated.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
No one had a response to this.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
About a month later, Elliott and Sally out wedding sent
out wedding invitations.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
They had got toen engaged. Damn that sucks.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
The whole family was invited, including my children, all except
me and my dad. You're gonna invite the children and
not their own, freaking mom, I replied on about half
of my children, stating they would not be attending. But
this was really difficult because they were old enough to
know that they had been invited and were missing out.
My mom offered to take them with her, but I declined.
I felt enough was enough. This was the final straw.

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The wedding day came and went. My mom, Auntie, uncle,
and grandma attended. I wonder if there was any effort
on Op's and to like message the brother and sit
or like call him or have a private conversation and
be like, I understand this is sensitive because you know
you support your partner as you should. Yeah, but like,

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none of this is true. I love you, I want
to have a relationship with you, and yet it seems
anything I do, I'm made to be the villain.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
What do you mean?

Speaker 9 (51:48):
Like in the past, at least it seems like I
think said something along the lines of the aye, like
I told them that wasn't true, or that wasn't happened? Yeah,
and then just keeps getting blocked on things.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
So on my brother's birthday after the wedding, I said
him a card with a note inside telling him that
although a lot had happened, I still wanted to be
his sister and wanted a.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Relationship with my nephew. That was sweet.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
I suggested that maybe we could meet up and talk.
I also mentioned that if Sally apologized for sending the
entire family lies about me, I would move on and
be civil towards her. I hope we could all have
some kind of relationship. I received a text from Elliott
that very same day.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
What do you think? He said?

Speaker 9 (52:23):
How dare you not come to my wedding?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Sally said, she invited you and begged you.

Speaker 9 (52:29):
To come to my wedding.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
I received a text from all that very same day.
He explained that Sally was heavily pregnant and that she
found my note so upsetting that he was concerned for
the health of both her and the baby.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Oh my goodness, I can't he said.

Speaker 8 (52:44):
If anything happened to her the baby, it would all
be my fault.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (52:49):
I also received text messages from Sally's siblings telling me
I was bowling a pregnant woman and that stress because
serious problems which the whole that would.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Hold me accountable.

Speaker 9 (52:58):
Oh, he's not even talking to them.

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Yeah, it's it's not for you, Sally, this is not
your message for you.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
I was then blocked on all apps.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
I was glad because I did not want any further
communication with any of them at this point. There's nothing
you could do, and you just to have a to
send a private conversation to your brother or a private
message to your brother, and for family of his wife
to be messaging you, putting the health of the a
pregnant woman.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
On your hands. Yeah, Like I'm just like okay, Like
I just.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
Can't imagine the family like continuing to.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Be okay with this behavior.

Speaker 8 (53:35):
I've since heard through my mom that they have had
another baby, boy, and that both Sally and the baby
are doing well. Fast forward to the present day. My
mom is getting older and has realized that some day
she will no longer be here. She wants my brother
and me to get along, not only for her own
happiness and peace of mind, but for logistical reasons like
organizing funeral arrangements and dividing assets after she's gone. I

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have agreed to meet Elliott, not Sally, but he will not.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Agree to meet me.

Speaker 8 (54:02):
The rest of the family says that someone has to
make the first move and that I should reach out
to my brother despite being blocked on all roots of communication.
And if you never want to be blocked, come listen
to full episodes the stories just like this. Just go
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Speaker 5 (54:18):
Storytime you go.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Never be blocked.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
I feel as though I have done enough and I
am done. But on the other hand, I really want
my mom to be happy. I completely understand where she
is coming from, because it would unlive me if my
own children no longer spoke to one another.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
What should I do?

Speaker 8 (54:33):
I feel as though every time I try to resolve
this issue, it just makes things worse, and I always
see me blame for causing upset just by trying to
make contact. Should I be the one to make the
next move for my mom or should I just let
it be?

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Also?

Speaker 8 (54:47):
Am I the a hole in this situation? Should I
be the one apologizing? Have I missed something? It seems
like I miss something because I don't understand what you've
done wrong and any of Elliott or Sally's side.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
Just being scapegoaded because I think that for some reason,
your sister in law is jealous of you.

Speaker 8 (55:07):
There's something that she's furious about and that she's resenting
you for, and she blames every situation into.

Speaker 9 (55:14):
She's trying to isolate not only your brother from you,
but you from your family.

Speaker 8 (55:18):
Yeah, So on Op's end, I don't know what you
can do. I think you could try to do something.
It seems like you've tried to already reach out and
you got blamed for the health, for the ill health
of a pregnant woman. And I wouldn't put it against
you if you were like I've tried, I can't do
anything here. Yeah, but if you wanted to reach out,

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I think that would be brave. And I think that
you would just have to be okay with the consequences
of you know, Sally like coming at you again. It's
not it's it's up to you. Like I would say,
both both of those make sense.

Speaker 9 (55:55):
I think, Yeah, I think I'm on the side of
like reaching out to the family members and being like, hey.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
To what family members?

Speaker 9 (56:01):
Well, I think you can start with your mom because
you're you already know your dad is on your side,
and so for.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
You, what are the family members going to do?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Just stand up for you?

Speaker 9 (56:10):
Like, I understand that you might use access to the nephew,
but if everyone stands up, I mean.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
Yeah, yeah, I like this course of action. Yeah, everyone
standing up and reaching out behavior and be like what
the hell?

Speaker 9 (56:24):
Yeah do what's going on?

Speaker 8 (56:25):
Yeah, that's that's a good course of action. It seems like, yeah,
anything Op does doesn't work out. Yeah, and so the
whole family member like hopefully, hopefully Elliott, if Sally was like,
you can't be friends, you can't be family in relationship
with any of your family members, he would be like.

Speaker 9 (56:39):
Okay, yeah, let me actually think of that first.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
So that's a good idea. Sophia, thank you.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Hey, it's John here. We're gonna get back to the stories.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Put a quick three minute ad break from her sponsors,
like keep the show going.

Speaker 9 (56:52):
My mother tried my wedding dress on, so I removed
her from the bridal party.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
But who wore it better?

Speaker 9 (56:58):
Yeah? My twenty three female mother forty two female has
always had a weird competition with the success of her
kids and has a never ending victim complex. If anyone
tries to bring up wrongdoings of the past, my mother
will get defensive, saying it was such a bad mother, huh,
or I did such a bad job of putting a
roof over your head and food on the table. You're

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all ungrateful. This one she used often. By the way,
this comes from Potato rat zero one.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
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Speaker 9 (57:25):
Submit your own stories, go to our slashokey storytime separate it.
My mother has always had an issue with me how
I look and who I'm dating. It's almost as if
she's trying to be better than me, as if she's
jealous of my success. My father and my mother have
not been together since I was six and have not
spoken to each other since then. Unfortunately, I was not
allowed to see my dad growing up. A whole other story,

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but basically my mother brainwashed us into thinking he didn't
want anything to do with us. Now, my father is
my best friend and I couldn't imagine life without him.
I met my wonderful fiance, twenty nine male in September
of twenty twenty one. We met on my birthday at
an Emo night, a party nightclub event for old school
emo music. We know it was the best night ever,

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and I knew instantly I had found my life partner.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Ah, it is dang what happened at.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
That emo night.

Speaker 9 (58:16):
My mother let's call her Helly, however, did not like
my partner, let's call him Jim. Played nice, but always
made snarky comments about Jim's appearance, clothing choices, hairstyles. He
had a beautiful mohawk that caught my eye when we
first met, his music choices, and overall who he was
as a person. It's stung that she didn't like him

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and wouldn't go to know him, wouldn't get to know
him on a better level. My father, however, has always
loved my partner and has treated him as another son.
My dad is four boys and one girl, and he's
very protective of me, so it means a lot that
he's so accepting of Jim. Fast forward a few years.
Jim and I have been living together and starting our
wonderful life. Helena and I are talking on most of

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the time. I've had to cut off connections due to
toxicity and my mental health. She's good in small doses.
Anything larger and you feel like you're suffocating. Let me
set the scene of our first event July twentieth, twenty
twenty four, the day of our.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Engagement, three years into their relationship.

Speaker 9 (59:19):
I had an inkling that it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
As you do.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
We were out to dinner with his dad, stepmom, and siblings.
My dad, stepmom, and one of my younger brothers were there.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Along with our friends.

Speaker 9 (59:29):
It was the most wonderful night, full of laughter, drinks, tears,
photos and love. He popped the question and I said yes, yes,
holding my dad's hand the whole time. So, kid, I'm
not a person who loves being in the spotlight for
too long, so having the buffer of a full dining
room and not being too loud was perfect for me.

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We all cried together and shared hugs and kisses while
we took photos. Elena, however, was not invited.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
To this event.

Speaker 9 (59:59):
Oh, this was due to my mom and dad not
getting along. Dad is civil, but my mother will say
anything snarky to get a reaction. And we also know
that you love your dad like and you get along
with your dad a lot more than your.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She didn't love her dad more?

Speaker 9 (01:00:13):
She said, she was, Well, I said, I've said I
changed it to you get along better. I had told
my partner I wanted my dad with me when he proposed,
so this spant Lena would not get invited. She was
vivid when photos got out that my dad was there
and she wasn't even told it was happening. It was chaos.
I received dozens of phone calls and text saying we

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were selfish for not inviting her and that she deserved
to be there as much as my dad. I ignored
these and she eventually moved on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
No response, Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
Fast forward to August, where I have my dress appointments.
I was so excited to go dress shopping and trying
in the beautiful gowns. I went with my mother in law,
sweetest woman ever, and found the dress. It's an off
the shoulder fitted mermaid gown that's super except for some
sparkly decows around the waist and arms and buttons down
the back. I bawled my eyes out. I never thought

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I would go for simple, but it was so classic
and timeless it made his mom cry. I paid the
deposit and left a happy bride. I was so excited
to show it off to my mom, but I also
wanted to give her the experience of seeing her daughter
try on gowns, as I had not gone with her yet.
So we tried on some gowns and she gave me
no opinions other than negative ones. She then tried to

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bring a black wedding gown into the change rooms for
me to try on, stating that she thought I would
wear black to my wedding. I dressed alternatively most of
the time, but I'm also Catholic, so I didn't want
to wear black to my church. Weinding, Elena was insisting
that I wear a black gown and said to humor
her to try it on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
I put my foot down and said no no.

Speaker 9 (01:01:51):
She went and sulked back into her chair and waited
for the next gown. I then tried on my dress.
I couldn't contain my excitement and ask what she thought.
She said it was fine and that it looked a
little bland ouch. I got her to take pictures anyway,
and told her I loved it, but would think about it.
Heart Broken, we left the bridle shop and I decided

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to keep it a secret that I had already bought
the dress, as I loved it and her opinion would
not change.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
It.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
Throughout the whole wedding planning, Helena had opinions about everything,
the color scheme, what the men were wearing, where it is,
even going as far as to make me feel bad
for having a church wedding as we aren't raised as
we weren't raised religious, and it would make her uncomfortable.
All of these I ignored. The sad part of the

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wedding is that I have had to compromise who my
maid of honor is to keep the peace in the family.
I had to ask my mother to be my maid
of honor so that she would be up on the
stands with me and I could keep an eye on
her during this. Sarah, okay, so it's yeah, so that
she wouldn't start a fight with my Dadter's tumble. It's
literally it's like I didn't want her there, but you know,
I could keep an eye on her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
But she's close enough to mine.

Speaker 5 (01:02:59):
I need to keep her way for everyone else.

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
I didn't want her to be in my bridal party,
but I was happy to give that up if it
meant one last thing to worry about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Boy was I wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
I could have guessed that one.

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
Fast forward to September twenty twenty four. My fiance and
I were enjoying our anniversary celebrations with a nice dinner
at home, Lego sets, and movies when I went on
Facebook and saw a post. It was an announcement that
Helena had got engaged.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Ah, wake me up when September ends.

Speaker 9 (01:03:29):
Helena and her partner had been together for a little
over three years at this point and had broken up
many times. Her partner had always mentioned that he didn't
want to get married, as he had been divorced before
and just wanted a fun life with the fun girl.
She gave him an ultimatum, either he commits or she leaves.
He didn't commit, so she left him, oh for one month.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
They made the announcement that they were back together and
officially engaged on Facebook, and she went ring shopping alone
with his card. Back to the story, so I opened
Facebook to see that Helena was now engaged. I was
happy for her. I even messaged her with a congrats.
But as I look closer at the picture, I noticed

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something her ring looked awfully familiar. That's right, you guessed it.
Lena had gone out and bought the exact ring my
fiance had proposed to me. With the only difference is
hers was pear shaped and mine was round. Helena wears
gold and has always worn gold jewelry. However, she chose

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a silver ring pear shaped with a big diamond in
the center and smaller diamonds around it. It also had
a pink diamond underneath.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Stunning. Guess what my ring was?

Speaker 9 (01:04:47):
A silver ring, round shaped with a big diamond in
the center and smaller diamonds all underneath, all around. Oh
and it also had pink diamond underneath.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
That's pretty.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
At first, I was like, it's like, oh, there was
a diamond, no diamonds, but there's a pink diamond.

Speaker 9 (01:05:02):
Pink diamonds. The similarity was too hard to ignore, but
I let her have her a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, quietly seething.

Speaker 9 (01:05:09):
In August, we had made a Facebook event group stating
that our engagement party was going to be on the
sixteenth of November twenty twenty four. This was a great
date for us and our family with nothing interfering, so
we booked it. We didn't want to spend too much
as we wanted a nicer wedding, so we opted to
book a large table at the same restaurant. We got
engaged in and have a relaxed dinner. It was far

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from relaxing. As it got closer to the party date,
Helena made an announcement that her engagement was also in November,
two weeks after mine. Apparently she couldn't book it any
other time, despite having an open calendar four months ahead
and only be engaged for a short period of time.
There was no rush, so I didn't understand why she
needed to have her party so close to mine. Either way,

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I ignored this and moved on. We had a nice
party and people brought us presents, including a couple's bible
and his and hers novelty daggers. My fiance and I
collect cool swords.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
Everyone was having a cool, a good time until Helena
showed up. She said her rounds of hellos, ignoring my
dad and brother. Throughout the whole night, she was huffing
and busting about anything and everything. It's too cold, it's
too hot, the food is met.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Why am I.

Speaker 9 (01:06:22):
Seated with the old people because you're freaking old man.
I eventually had so much anxiety that I went to
the bar and started taking shots with my sister in law.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
That's how you did.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I will get rid of that.

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
We had a blast for the one minute I got
away from Helena. Then Helena came to the bar and
paid for the next round. A nice gesture, I thought,
and we both thanked her. Helena then walked out to
the group, got everyone's attention, and bragged about paying for
my drink, turning to my fiance stating that's yours now
referring to me. After I walked back outside, there was

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an awkward feeling in the air. I tried to keep
the peace the whole night, not having much fun for myself.
The cherry on top of Helena's actions that night was
her comment about my looks. Helena said that I looked
chabby in my dress and that I should lose some
weight before my wedding. Maybe you should chuck.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Your Wow, that's a stab to the heart.

Speaker 9 (01:07:13):
I just walked away. The rest of the night went okay,
and Helena left shortly after. I had to cry, drank
a lot more than with my fiance and trying to
salvash the night. Now it was time for Helena's engagement party.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
You shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
You don't have to go. He was so boring.

Speaker 9 (01:07:29):
She hired out a whole venue as if it was
a reception, had a bar tab, but wouldn't let anyone
else use it. We had to pay thirty dollars per
cock kaale. That is insane.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Thirty dollars.

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
Regular drinks were still fifteen dollars each, which is expensive.
If I had to pay fifteen dollars for Shirley Dumple,
I'm rioting.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Yeah, I could get a meal for that.

Speaker 9 (01:07:50):
The whole thing went on for four hours. The whole time, myself,
my fiance, and my siblings just sat in the corner
and talked about stuff. We ended up going to the
bar across the street halfway through, as drinks were too
expensive and we didn't know anyone there.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
They just dipped out.

Speaker 9 (01:08:07):
I don't even think Helena realized we were gone until
the end. We made it a good night and had
fun together, so that's a plus. I think you just
shouldn't have shown up.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
Yeah, if you're gonna be that rude, just don't go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
I don't think you had to go.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
None of my siblings get along with my mom. She
has four kids and none of them talk to her anymore.
This is where I might be the Bridezilla slash a hole.
One day in December, I received a text from Helena.
It was pictures of her in a wedding dress in
my wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
I knew it, called it, called it, I see you.

Speaker 9 (01:08:42):
She had gone back and tried on my wedding dress
and had taken photos. This dress is not Helena's style
at all. She is a much smaller woman with no curves,
and I am a medium sized woman with some pretty
good curbs. The dress was wearing her. I love that
she was like, let me be clear, she looked terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
I would have rocked it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:05):
Although she did not buy the dress, the fact that
she tried it on and sent me a photo with
a laughing face emoji was heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Text making fun of her, Yeah, I texted.

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
Her letting her know I had bought that dress and
that she couldn't have it. Elena then went on this
big rant about how I never involved her in anything,
how she feels she's being left out of the wedding
planning and that she should be involved. This is where
I drew the line. I wrote a rather lengthy paragraph
about how it was rude that she would try on
a dress I liked just for fun, and that she

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had no consideration for anyone around her. I stated that
I no longer wanted her in my bridal party, oh
and that she was no longer invited to my wedding.
I then told her how everything she had done had
been to upstage me, and I was sick of it.
I would not let her upstage my wedding day. There
was more, but I'm not going to type it all
out here. She was angry, calling me every name under

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the sun, telling me I'm worthless and that it was
an ugly dress anyway. Jeez. She said she never wanted
to upstage me, which was an obvious lie. I had enough.
I stopped replying and still have not received a message.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
I think she blocked me.

Speaker 9 (01:10:11):
Am I the ale for calling my mom out and
going off at her for copying me. I know I
was a bit harsh, but I was civil the whole time.
She was trying to steal the spotlight, and it wasn't
even the wedding day yet. It all just felt weird
that she had to be engaged as well. She had
to have her party two weeks after mine. Her ring
was exactly the same except for the shape, and she

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couldn't keep the peace for one night at the engagement party.
I was thinking of inviting her to the ceremony only
so she could still see her daughter walk down the
aisle and get married, but she would not be allowed
at the reception. And you guys are always allowed to
listen to full episodes with stories just like this. Just
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(01:10:52):
Man oh man, Yeah, she is a little bit more,
but uh yeah, I think it would be nice of you,
It would be very consist of you two have her
come to the reception so that she's still a little
bit involved. But yeah, I understand why you wouldn't want
her at the or not the reception, the ceremony, but
not have her at the reception because it seems like

(01:11:13):
she has continuously.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Made a lot of drama.

Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
I before I say what I'm gonna say, Helena has
been acting a fool, acting a fool the whole time.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I will state that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:25):
But also, since you're asking if you're the a hole,
I think to hold your tongue for all this time
and be like I was being civil, I don't think
that's like inherently like a good thing to just have
held your tongue to allow your resentment to brew and
brew and then to allow it just to explode, and

(01:11:48):
now you're going to go off on your mom. And
so you were holding in what was most true for
you in your relationship and then it all came out
at once, and now you're you're dealing with the brute
force of it all like exploding. And so if I
think there is something to be said around around that.

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
I think you could also. I mean you could potentially
say like, right now, she's only invited the ceremony and
you could have that conversation with your mom where you're like, hey,
you've been disrespectful of me the entire this entire process.
If I see a lot of change, you know, maybe
we can talk about you coming to the reception, but
right now, like that can't happen. We are getting married

(01:12:29):
in seven months in a Catholic church and our reception
is at an arcade sick. We are both gamer nerds
who prefer arcade games over dancing, and so we thought
having the arcade bowling experience would be much nicer than
a regular reception.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
That would be fun, but not for a wedding.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
But yeah, we also have cut.

Speaker 9 (01:12:45):
Down our wedding party to one person each and I'm
not having a maid of honor, as I feel my
mom ruined that role for me. I have a lot
of feelings about what happened, but after everything my mom
did and how child as she was acting, I don't
regret my choice to remove her from the bridle part.
Let me know what you think. Am I the A hole?
And that is the end of that story and the

(01:13:06):
end of this episode.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Oh cool.

Speaker 9 (01:13:07):
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