Robin Sharma: #1 Way To Live A Rich Life & How To Change Your Money Mindset

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's the point of climbing this mountain that the world
says we should climb in order to be successful and
happy and realize at the end of a career the
end of a life, We've climbed the wrong mountain.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
International best selling author.

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Twenty million plus copies sold.

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One of the world's top leadership experts, Robin Sharma.

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I've mentored a lot of super rich people and money
is all they have.

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Hey everyone, Welcome back to on Purpose, the place you
come to to become happier, healthier, and more healed. I'm
so grateful that I get to sit down with some
of the most fascinating people in the world, thought leaders, experts,
insight leaders, celebrities, athletes and artists to mind their brain
and their minds for insights, hacks and habits that I

(01:35):
know will improve yours. Today I get to sit down
with one of my all time favorite guests. The fact
that he's not sat with me for the last five
years is shocking to me because I've been a fan
of his work ever since I was a teenager. I
got to talk about it with him the last time
he was on the show, and today we're going to
be talking about his new book that I cannot wait

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for you to read. I promise you this is a
book that you're going to invest some time and energy
in this year that will transform your life. I'm speaking
about the one and only Robin Sharma, globally respected humanitarian
who for over a quarter of a century has been
devoted to helping human beings realize their native gifts. Robin's

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number one international best sellers such as The Five Am Club,
The Everyday Hero Manifesto, The Monk Who sold is Ferrari
The Greatness Guide and Who Will Cry When You Die
have sold over twenty five million copies. And Robin's newest
book that we're talking about today is called The Wealth
Money Can't Buy The Eight Hidden Habits to live your

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richest Life. Please, welcome to the show, Robin Sharma Jee.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's such a pleasure to see you again.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Hey, I saw you outside and we both felt it.
I really appreciated that because there was this childlike excitement
that you were coming today. And when I was reading
this book, and I've loved all book, so I'm a
fan already, but when I was reading this book, I
loved it even more so because it reminded me of

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the kind of books I grew up on.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
And what I mean by that is.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's fresh, it's new, it's innovative, but it speaks to
that deep soul consciousness level of us as humans. And
it speaks simply. It speaks effortlessly, it speaks poignantly. And
I have so many questions I want to ask you today,
but I just wanted to thank you because your work

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over the years has been masterful. Getting to know you
personally has been beautiful. We often exchange text messages, and
I remember even when my first book came out, the
amount of support you gave me.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
It was huge. And so to meet one of your
heroes and for them to.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Live up to and exceed all your expectations is a
really beautiful experience to have, and I'm glad that I
get to have that with you. So thank you, Robin,
thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, You're more than generous. Jay. When I saw you
herode of this studio, I felt the same way. There
was a sparkle in my eye, and I've been I've
been looking forward to seeing you. So thank you for
such kind words. You're You're more than kind and more
than humble. So thank you.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I mean, I mean, all right, Well, let's dive straight in.
And whenever I'm interviewing someone about a new book, I
like to not give away the book, but I like
to have a conversation around the concepts and themes that
stood out.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
To me that I think are so powerful.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
And when we talk about living a rich life, when
we talk about living a full life, it's a really
interesting conversation because I think all of us have grown
up with definitions of what a good life looks like.
And obviously in the book you break down the eight
hidden habits as you call them, of the areas that matter.
But you have so many amazing chapters in it that

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they dive into the depths of it. And the one
first one that resonated with me was don't be a
resentment collector. And when I look at that chapter, I
was thinking about people I know in my life first,
thinking about people I speak to, and I realized that
actually it's very easy, because life can be hard, because
life can be challenging, to collect our resentments, to place

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them on a wall almost as art, and to refer
to them and talk about them and find validation and
value through them. What's a resentment that you've seen people
carry around for the longest period of time.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, so you saw a lot of interesting things in there.
And the first thing is there has been a cultural
hypnosis Jay that you are rich when you have a
lot of money, You're rich when you have a big
stock portfolio, You're rich when you get to the top
of the financial mountain. And for fifteen plus years, this
is something of experienced mentoring billionaire sports superstars, CEOs, movement makers.

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A lot of these people sadly are cash rich and
their life poor. And so what's the point of climbing
this mountain that the the world says we should climb
in order to be successful and happy and realize at
the end of a career, at the end of a life,
we've climbed the wrong mountain. So this book is based around,
as you know, the eight forms of wealth. Now, I

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want to be really clear. Money is one of the
forms of wealth. Money puts food on the family table,
It gives us freedom, it allows us to do great
things for people in need. Having said that, there are
seven other forms of wealth. The first form of wealth
is growth. We were talking about that before we started
to be in hot. Pursuit of your finest self is

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a form of wealth. To spend your days doing a
little bit of work on yourself so you know more
of your gifts and your talent. So you build wisdom,
so you build wonder, so you build bravery as a
form of wealth. And so in that first section, there's
twenty five chapters. One of them is don't be a
resentment collector. And I really do think that a lot

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of us go through life and people hurt us and
rather than process through it, metabolize the hurt and use
pain as a purifier. We swallow it and we allow
it to build up, and it creates what I call
in the book a resentment stack. And it's that old idea,
you know, heal what hurts you, so you don't go

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out there and bleed on people who didn't cut you,
and so moving through. As you know, entrepreneurs don't really
talk about forgiveness, and athletes usually don't. But if we
move through the forgiveness and let the people who've hurt
us off of our backs, we build intimacy with our creativity.
We get to know ourselves. Energy rises, wellness rises, and

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we just become more of the people we're meant to be.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I find often, don't you feel this, that humans oscillate
between extremes. So often we have a culture that idolizes money,
and then we sometimes develop a mindset that demonizes me money.
We have a culture that may idolize fame, and then
we demonize fame. We idolize success, and then we demonize success.

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And we're not great at finding the neutralized, the purified version,
which not only are we deeply seeking, but seems to
be the healthiest place to land. And so you spoke
about and I was very happy to see that money
is one of the forms of wealth, and you're just

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expanding that there are seven others. But I find that
often when people hear like and I think I've been
very clear that I've never talked about how money doesn't
buy happiness, because I think money is a really powerful
energy and powerful resource, which you of course talk about
in this book as well. But why do you think
or how do we stop ourselves from idolizing and then

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oscillating to demonizing, And what is the middle path, like,
what is that perspective that we need to develop.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's a beautiful question. Allow money to be your servant,
not your master. And it's that old proverb be in
the world, but not of the world. So be in
the world. Make money. There's twenty five chapters on how
the billionaires do it. Make money, have nice things, go
through life, treat yourself, treat your family. Having said that,

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don't identify with your wealth, your financial wealth. A lot
of people their self identity is determined by their net worth.
Makes me think of Jim Carrey. We're in the land
of films and movie stars right here, and he said,
you know, I wish everyone could be rich and famous
to realize it doesn't make a difference. And so it's

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almost as if we're going through life we all have
holes within us, and we're looking for outer things to
fill the holes. And I guess what I would humbly
suggest is nothing on the outside will ever fill the
holes we're trying to fill on the inside. So have
the nice car, have the nice house, take the great vacations,

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but don't be defined by those and don't think those
things are going to somehow make your wake up one
Friday morning feeling fantastic. And that's where the other seven
forms of wealth come in. Money is one of the
forms of wealth, but there are seven others, for example, growth, wellness, family, craft,
and those kinds of things as we pursue them. I mean,

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for example, number form of wealth, number three. Family. I've
mentored a lot of super rich people and money is
all they have. And I've been to places where I
remember one in particular, I write about it. I was
asked to attend an assignment to mentor someone most beautiful
house I've ever seen. I walked by his art collection,

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walked by his car collection, indoors, walked by his book collection,
went to a subterranean passage smelt cigar. Finally got to
the room where the Titan of Industry was and we
talked for two two hours. And through the conversation I
asked myself, general, so who do you share all this with?
Must be amazing, you must be able to do anything

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with the people you love. And there was just a long,
long silence. And he has no family and they won't
talk to him. He's all alone. And so what's the
point of having the beautiful house and all the nice
things if you don't have someone to share it with?
You know. I was recently with my parents. My dad
will be eighty seven in June. And the more years

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I get behind my belt, the more I realize, like,
family is so incredibly important. There's a chapter have three
great friends, Yeah right, not a thousand or whatever digital friends.
Three great friends. They allow you to be seen and
you can be yourself with and that's a form of riches.

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In that chapter on or that section on family, there's
all also something called the ten thousand dinners Room, and
that comes from Aisha Varidegg's one of the UK's most
famous divorce lawyers, and she was asked, you know, look,
you've seen so many relationships fall apart. Can you share
what makes a great relationships? Number one, she said, separate bedrooms?

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And number two, she said, ten thousand dinners. If you
can see yourself having ten thousand dinners with someone, because
looks and fades, lust might dissolve. But if you can
see yourself having ten thousand dinners with someone, hold them close,
because great love is heard defined.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
How does one balance ambition without attachment? Because I feel
that the natural cause of events for most of us
is we have ambitional drive. We then have achievement, and
then that achievement leads to attachment because our value becomes
our ability to get things or ability to have achieved.

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How do you have but not have the attachment?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
The question?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I think human beings are built to progress. I mean,
I think we are happiest not when we're resting. I
mean there's a lot in the wealth money can't buy
about recovery, enjoying life and all those things. Having said that,
I think we are happiest when we are materializing our
primal gifts. We are happiest when we are chasing what
I call your project X. We are happiest when we're

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moving in the direction of our Mount Everest. So ambition
is not a bad thing. I would say, what's the
root of it, though? What's driving you? Are you driving it?
Is it driving you from unhealthy place? Are you doing
it for f FA fame, fortune and applause? Are you
doing it because really deep inside, you're overcompensating. You don't

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like yourself very much, so you're hoping to get the
applause in the world to make yourself feel better. But
if you are ambitious and creating your taj Ma holes,
or you're capturing the Rye or your Moonlight Son because
you want to push magic into the world. If you're
doing it because you're in pursuit of a craft, the

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fourth form of wealth, pursuing a craft. If you're doing
it because you want to be of service Mahafmagandhi, I
know one of your heroes as well. He said to
lose yourself and service and others is to find yourself.
So if that's what's driving you, then I believe your
ambition is absolutely healthy and only good.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Absolutely I couldn't agree more, I think, And what's really
interesting about that way you process ambition is that it's
so internal. Externally, two people could look like they're living
the same exact life, but internally they're living a completely
different one because one is motivated by attachment and one
is motivated by service. Right, one is motivated by f FA,

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as you said, and one is motivated by service. It
can only actually ever be known by the individual and
those closest to them. And one of the things that
I know my audience struggle with. I know that my
friends struggle with the people in my life. And I
read this chapter, I was like, this is the one
that I'm going to tell them to listen to and
read immediately. You say the best way to start is

(15:16):
to start, And I find that everyone I know, or
a lot of people I know, I should say, struggle
to start because they're so scared of what people will say.
They're so scared of what people will think. They're so
scared of rejection, they're scared of failure. I spoke to
a friend the other day. He said to me, he said, Jay,

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I struggle with trying new things because since I was young,
I kind of followed a path.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I went to college.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
I knew I was going to study this particular thing,
so I got that degree I only applied to two jobs,
and I got both of them because I'd studied the
right degree, and so I've.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Never really had a door shut on me before.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
So now that I want to do something different, it's
impossible to think that nine out of ten doors may close.
So I find that so many people struggle to start,
even though we know it's the place to start, because
they're so scared of rejection, lack of validation, or failure.
So how do we start when that's what's going on

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in our head?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
How do you write the book that'll change the world.
You go home and you write the first page. How
do you get super fit? If you want to get
super fit, you go on the first walk. How do
you find true love if you are all alone? You
talk to that person in the grocery store. As simple

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as it sounds. If you look at the great monuments
taj Mahal twenty two years, one of the wonders in
the world that started with the first block. Another wonder
if the world the Great Pyramid of Giza twenty five
hundred blocks, fifty thousand workers, one of the monuments the
world looks to is started with that first stone. So
I was in Dubai on a radio show, and this

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wonderful broadcaster asked me, like, you know, this is all fantastic,
and so where do we start? And I think you're right.
The very question speaks of some degree of fear, because
underneath it is really exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
If I.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Stand in my true power, if I live my values,
if I chase my epical ambitions, if I live the
life I truly want to live, if I let go
of the energy vampires and filled my life with people
whose lives I want to be living. If I become
all those things, what if I fail? What if I stumble?
What if I get laughed at? And that's where I

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think it's really important. Or remember the shortness of life.
That's why people when they talk about mortality, they go
they almost apologize, sorry to talk about the shortness of life.
Or but I think think talking about the shortness of
our lives is inspirational because when we remember how quick

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a human life goes by, no matter how long we
get to live, and when we may be every day
in our meditations or in our journaling and our private conversations,
we remind ourselves soon or late, we will be nothing
more than a pile of dust on a mantle above
a fireplace, next to Little League trophies. Number one, we
don't take ourselves too seriously, and number two we live

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to the point. I think what we are as human
beings is we are great postponers. We are busy being busy.
We are maximalists versus minimalists. We put off We're going
to do these things later. But accident, illness, death, all
those things are a part of life. And I think
it's as simple as it sounds, it's really important. One

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of the chapters in the book is put your last
day first. Another chapter at the end is have a
living funeral by the cake, by the daisies. Invite your family,
hear what they would say about you, tell them how
much you love them, and remind yourself that life is
really very short.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
What have you seen in the people that you've coached,
people that you've worked with seminars for you know, twenty
five years or more. Now, what have you seen has
allowed people to give themselves the permission to fail?

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Like?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Where have you seen people become comfortable with discomfort and failure?
What has been that habit or that practice that has
made them go, this is okay, this is normal.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I would say, first of all, MVP. As you know
in athletics, MVP is most valuable player, and that's an
acronym I use for meditation, visualization, and prayer. So you know,
I wrote the five Am Club, and for years I
get up at five and I do the victory Hour.
But these days I get up at four and it's

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really beautiful for me. I live in this old farmhouse
in Tuscany, and I hear the roosters off in the distance,
and I hear these dogs barking, and I just lay
there in bed and I meditate and I visualize and
I pray and it really works. Now, it doesn't transform
your life in a day. What does, but small, daily,

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seemingly insignificant improvements when done consistently over time, and that
practice of meditating, I'm becoming less fearful visualizing yourself as
the person you want to be, maybe in a scenario.
Maybe it's in a business, maybe it's in a presentation,
Maybe it's asking someone out. Maybe it's running a marathon
or just getting to the gym. Seeing yourself with your

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eyes closed while the world is asleep and just feeling
at a cellular level, and the colors visualization is incredibly powerful.
And then prayer. It's so easy to forget this time
honored truth. Every prayer is heard. And if you don't
believe in God, or you don't believe in spirit, then
I'm sure you believe in you're subconscious. And so prayer

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MVP is a very powerful tool. Second tool, I call
it the pre performance paragraph. So what you're write about
deepens commitment. What you write about sets a default about
how you're going to be. So writing a paragraph is
part of your morning routine in your journal about who

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you want to be in that day, brave, strong, resilient, positive,
Writing it out in detail, just a paragraph is a
very very powerful tool. And then third thing. I could continue,
but the third thing is you become your conversations. The
sixth form of wealth in the wealth money can't buy it.
It's form of wealth is your community. You become your

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social circle. It's like I don't know if you like
good wine. A great wine comes down to a great
tear war. The tear war is the surrounding the ecosystem,
the wind, the soil, the sun, etc. Well as human beings,
we become our tear war, and if we are around
toxic people, if we are around people playing victim, if

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we are around people who stand for low standards, we
are around people who minimize the power of personal growth,
Around people who are takers, we will become the people
we surround ourselves with. Then we could get into the
science of mirror neurons, which cause us to mimic our
social circle. We could talk about emotional contagion, which is

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the scientific phenomenon of us adopting the dominant emotions of
the people we are around. So those would be three things.
The third thing is to really clean out your social circle,
get rid of the toxic people. I think it can
change the world, or be around negative people. You can't
do both.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, the last one is such a you know, we
know it to be an age old truth, yet we
struggle with it so much. I always wonder why that is.
And before I asked you that, I wanted to share. Yeah,
I find that I've found that whenever I'm complaining about
someone in my circle, I am in that process becoming

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more like them. Like I remember years ago I was
complaining about someone because they always were complaining, and I
found myself becoming the biggest complainer. I knew because I
was complaining about this individual. And so often we're becoming
like them, not because we're even mirroring them. We're becoming
like them because we're behaving like them subconsciously without knowing.

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Why do we find it so hard? We've heard that
million times. Why do we find it so hard to
change our circle and to transform the terroir around us?
Like why do we struggle so badly even though we
know that we are the average.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Of the people we spend time with.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Why is it that we're still stuck in the same circles?

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Often it's because we love them, and I would I
would say reason, season, lifetime. Some people come into our
lives for a reason. There's that old idea which is
some people come back into your life to see if
we're still stupid. So, you know, some people come into
our lives for reason. Some people come into our lives

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for a season, and then some people come into our
lives for a lifetime. Like I think if my partner
l you know, she's just that person who gets me,
that person who you know I could have twenty thousand
dinners with. So I think we struggle because sometimes these
energy vampires j are our parents or our sisters were

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our best friends, and so we say, well, I love them,
that's been my friend for ten years or five years.
But I would say, you know, if you're growing and
you're reading, and you're doing all these modalities and you
want to live your richest life and you want to
materialize your gifts and talents and live at your best,

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and someone isn't growing and they're always questioning you or
you say here's a new idea project, and they're just
going that would never work, here the reasons, etc. Then
you really have to ask yourself if that person is
good for you and healthy for you. And I would say,
if you love them, maybe it's a parent that love
them from afar, or practice selective association and see them

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once a month versus texting with them or chatting with
them on the phone every day. I'd say the second
reason why we keep people who are not good for
us or who are bringing us down in our life
is the human being doesn't like to change. We just
don't like to change, and so it's so much. I
would put it to you this way. I would say,
the discomfort of growth is always less dangerous than the

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illusion of security, and so I would say, yes, it's
difficult to let people go, and yet that is always
less dangerous than saying I'm going to allow these people
to stay in my life if they're just bringing me down.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
It's such an interesting thing because I often find also
that as we're growing in our personal growth, self de
element journeys, we're often becoming less compassionate in the beginning,
Like there's an immature arrogance that develops. So if I'm
moving faster than these people, I'm better than these people.
I'm the one doing the self work and they're not

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doing it. And even that mindset in itself is a
sign that we've got a lot more work to do,
because if we're working so deeply on ourselves, our compassion
should more likely expand, and hopefully we'd have the ability
to set better barriers and boundaries with those individuals and
develop the idea that we can have a group of

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people that we grow around. And then you have a
group of people that you have to give to often, right, Like,
I think that's what our life is made up of.
Like life isn't just we're not just running by people
that help grow because we're obviously taking from them as well,
And we don't want to be in a position where
we're only giving.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
We want to be able to grow.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
So it's almost like we all have we have two
sets of groups in our life at any real given time.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Would you agree with that, Well.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh, I would just say trust trust your joy. I
think joy is a great GPS. And so yeah, I'm
not in any way suggesting be around people only who
fuel you and who help you become you at your best.
I'm simply saying it's about what's healthy, It's about your joy.
It's about being around people who you vibe with, who

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understand you, who have similar values, who support you, and
who encourage you. So I think your community is definitely
a key and absolutely key form of wealth. The form
of wealth is the fourth excuse me as your craft.
And I think, you know, it's very easy to fall
into the trap of thinking a job is a job

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and not realizing that our work offers us an opportunity
to get to know who we truly are. You know,
there's a chapter in there about do your project dex
you know, which is build your And I think the
world right now needs more magic in the world. And
I think a lot of us. What we do is

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we try to push out a lot of content, put
out a lot. And I would rather do one master
work than a thousand mediocrites. And I think, you know,
seeing your craft as a chance to change the world
is a form of wealth.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
What would you say to people who go robin, you
know what, I just want to check into my job,
clock my hours and come home.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Is that okay? Is there a better way to live?
What would you say to that?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I'd say, of course, I mean the great thing about
a human life as well, get to live in the
way that we want to live. I've never subscribed to
the hustle and grind culture. I think that rest is
not a luxury, it's a necessity. I think we have
to enjoy the fruits of our labor. Having said that,
I think almost in the world right now now, hard

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work has a bad reputation. And I just think that,
you know, seeing your work is noble. Seeing your work
as a chance to pursue mastery. Seeing your work is
a chance to serve and delight and astonish is a
great form. It's a great form of happiness. If someone
wants to say I just want to finish at five

(29:21):
and go home. That's absolutely fantastic, I would humbly suggest
though they might be missing one of the greatest sources
of joy and well being and under peace. If you
look at people, really happy people, a lot of them
say I would never retire. Why would I retire? It's
my oxygen? And for me, I've got a great family life,

(29:42):
and I think I have a good lifestyle, and yet
I just what I do. This is year thirty one
in the field of leadership and personal development and the
opportunity to calibrate the craft. I spent one year of
my life on this book. I did twenty different manusc
where it's probably ten thousand little optimizations every version. And

(30:06):
I really suffered on this book, and you know I
have to. It was suffering. It was hard. I felt
like giving up. I could have mailed it in. The
publisher would have said, absolutely fine. But there's a whole
series of values here, like my family name is on
that cover. I'm only as good as my last book.

(30:26):
I think. You know, pushing yourself to the jagged edges
of your potential is how you grow and you know this.
But I really feel I have a sacred trust relationship
with my readers, and you said an intention before we started.
I set an intention here too, which is, you know,
to celebrate you for all the good that you do

(30:49):
in the world, and to have this studio full of light.
And also I just did a little visualization in prayer
before I came over here for all the people around,
the millions and millions of people who listen to your show,
and you know, as you know, these are real human
beings with hopes and dreams and fears and insecurities. And

(31:13):
I thought about as many of them as I possibly could.
Some are at the top of the mountains. Some people
are struggling. Some people are in bad relationships. Some people
are in the relationship off their lifetime. Some people are
starting a new tech company. Some people are multi billionaires.
Some people are entertainers, some people are athletes. What am
I offering. I'm simply saying. I think through our work,

(31:39):
we have a chance to change lives. I was in
London recently and I got into this tax on London
black cab and the gentleman outside it it's almost like
he was on guard doing noble work. Jay. His car
was shining, his tires were polished. I walked inside the

(32:00):
carpeting on the floor was perfect. And as we went
to Heathrow, I sort of tried to deconstruct his winning formula,
and this is on this fifth form of wealth. It's
a fourth form of wealth, seeing your work as your craft.
And he said, well, you know, I take my job seriously.
It gives me so much pride. I get to meet
interesting people. Then when we got to the airport, he goes, look,

(32:20):
look what I do before every person comes in here.
And he hit this shampooer and he goes, look, and
he turned it on and he started shampooing the carpet
and then he had like the windex. And I'm just saying,
you know, whether someone is a CEO or a billionaire,
or a famous tycoon, or a pizza maker or a

(32:41):
yoga teacher or an astronaut, work has incredible potential to
help us build intimacy with our mastery, but also give
us incredible fulfillment. So it's a form of wealth, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
I love hearing that because I had personal experience of
it as well just last week. So last week was
one of my best friends birthday. He was in town,
and so I took him and a friend to Disneyland,
you know, which is not a couple of hours away
for his birthday. And it was amazing. We were fortunate
enough to, you know, have a private guide, like a

(33:17):
tour guide. Her name was Lexi, and I have not
met someone.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
This like just for a long time.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I'd not met someone who is like that passionate, knowledgeable, smart,
charismatic about their work. She knew every detail of history
of the Walt Disney park, right, she knew everything.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
She knew where Walt Disney had.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Spent time, she knew what year that ride was built,
she knew the little easter eggs and the hidden stories
about every single ride. Like it was just spectacular to
be around her and to learn from her. And when
you're talking about mastering your craft, I was so amazed
at how, you know, twenty six years old like fully
mastered the craft of hospitality, tour guide, entertainment, knowledge smart.

(34:07):
And I said to her at the end of the day,
because we were just so happy with the experience, I said,
I said, you're going to run that park one day,
like you have that energy, like you're going to run
that park one day. And she said, you know, she
said to me after it, she was like, it's experiences
like this they give me joy for what I do.
And I was just thinking how special it was to
experience that I love what I do, but to feel
that from someone, it was it was amazing. So shout

(34:29):
out to Alexi if you're listening, but it was, it
was such a beautiful experience, and I think that what's
happened I feel Robin. I know you work in leadership.
You worked with so many organizations all across the world,
like I think, for so long because culture perpetuates in
cascades down because you've seen the person above you not

(34:49):
love what they do and not master their craft, but
do the job. You then do the job and don't
master your craft. And then the person who's coming up
beneath you sees the same thing. And then we repeat
that culture because we see it being rewarded. We don't
see what you just said. You just gave this beautiful
example of you know, it took your while to write
this book. You suffered to write this book. It was

(35:11):
it was hard work to put it together. And you said,
I'd rather create a mastery than lots of mediocrits. But
we see mediocrity being celebrated and rewarded, and masterpiece is
generally hard to find these days, right because of the
amount of consumption and the amount of creation, And so
it almost feels that we have to be able to

(35:31):
break generational cycles, or break the generational curses, or break
multi generational culture. How do we get the courage to
do that when we see everyone doing the opposite around us.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, I think there's a few things that come to mind.
And the first thing is, you know, I love going
to art galleries, me too, and I am absolutely inspired.
I don't know if all your viewers can see it,
but there's that almost looks like a basque out behind me,
I know. So I'm just I'm an esthet that's a

(36:05):
French word, as you know, for a lover of beauty.
And this is not expensive beauty necessarily. I love the
beautiful flower. I love going to our galleries and seeing
the work of the masters. And I often hear in
La the other day I went to a whole bunch
of galleries and I was around cy Twombly, yes, or
I was around for you know, and I just love

(36:30):
these amazing whether it's about oh, I went to Basquia.
I don't know if you've seen the Basquia in Negotia,
Please please go. And what I'm offering is, don't do it.
Don't do beautiful work for the applause. The applause will
come as a byproduct. Do beautiful, do your most beautiful work.

(36:52):
Work hard on it, calibrate it, make it magic. See
your work work as part of a magic shop for
what it introduces you to within yourself, and even if
no one sees it. I think about Vincent Vange, one
of the greatest artists of all time. He sold two paintings.

(37:13):
So he didn't do it for the money. He didn't
do it for the fame, fortune and adoration. He did
it because he had to do it. And he did
it because he was an explorer, he was a magician.
It did something inside him that made him feel very good.
I think about J. D. Salinger. One of my favorite
books is Catcher in the rye Jay. He only wrote

(37:37):
one book and then he checked out into a subterranean
passage in New Hampshire and he probably wrote I think
was thirty other books, but he never published one of them.
So how do you develop this kind of philosophy, Well,
you stop plugging into the cultural majority and doing what
everyone is doing, and you do, you take a radical

(38:00):
act and you start thinking for yourself. And I think
that's the power of the eight forms of wealth the
book is based around. It's a framework, it's a mount
everest for the eight most important elements of a life
well lived. Doesn't mean you're going to do them all
in the day, but every day you advance on growth,
on wellness, on family, on craft, on money, on community,

(38:21):
on adventure, and on service, and you start to think
for yourself. And I guess what I'm trying to say
is you start to live your own life versus your
neighbor's life. And I think that's a powerful way to live.
No one wants to get to our last day and
say we lived like the tribe. We lived like our neighbors.

(38:43):
There's an acronym in the book called Penham, the five
forces of Penam. Parents, environment, nation, associations, and media. These
five forces program us and here's what they do. They
cause us to forget who truly are. And so I
think we're born into genie and then we resign ourselves
into ordinary and we become busy being busy, and we're

(39:05):
playing with our phones and we're doing what everyone else
is doing. But deep inside we have a voice of
wisdom that sees the self betrayal, and we're in pain
because potential on express turns pain. So we're in pain,
but we don't know it. And so that's why we
medicate ourselves with too much phone, too much digital, too

(39:26):
much work.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Too much.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Scrolling, too much gossiping, because we don't like ourselves.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
For sure, said I mean one of the it's so
funny you said that. One of the things I work
on with my clients that I work with privately, will
I'll ask them to we write a book for them,
which is called their Book of Values, and it's a
book of values, mindsets, habits that they practice. We design
the cover, We print the book only one coffee, and

(39:57):
they carry around with them in their bag wherever they go,
so wherever in the world they can pull it out
and whenever they forget all the self work they've been doing,
they can look back at a guidebook for themselves. And
I always tell them, we're only ever going to publish
one of these. This doesn't get shown to your family,
it doesn't go to your friends. It's not something you
have to promote, you know, market it. It stays with them.

(40:17):
And I was inspired by it because I remember reading
Benjamin Franklin's Thirteen Merches. To me, that was the idea
of it, is like, how could you have a book
that you carried around that represented you, that held your identity,
that made you like yourself because that's who you were,
but you often had to remind yourself of who you

(40:39):
were while you get caught in the PanAm you know
the five points you just mentioned now? And I think
that idea and anyone can do that. You don't have
to be well known to do that. You don't have
to be successful to know that. I know you talk
about the value of journaling, like that's what a journal is.
It's a space where you carry around your heart, if
you see it that way, right, You carry around your

(41:00):
thoughts and you can re edit and you know, systemize
your thoughts and make sense of them. And one of
the things I've been hearing from a lot of people
recently is this thought of like realizing they need to
rewire their relationship with money.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
People have either been.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Trained to believe that money is bad, money is evil,
Money doesn't buy happiness, Money is the root of all evil.
Money will make you lose friends. There's so many statements
about money that have been programmed into our penom, whether
it's our parents, whether it was media. As you said,
you know all the others that have programmed us, And

(41:41):
all of a sudden you get to a point in
life where you realize, well, now I just have unhealthy
beliefs about money. So whether I have it or I don't,
I don't have a healthy relationship. How do you start
rewiring that?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
If I could, before I answered that, you talked about
something that I think is so important, the book you
do with your class allience, and I think that speaks
to something that is so essential in the world right now,
which is solitude. I think genius loves isolation. I think
we are so in the world right now, and there's

(42:15):
so much noise we can't hear the signal. And so
I think spending some time every day alone is so powerful,
whether it is in a journal, whether it is on
a nature walk, whether it is one of the chapters
in the craft sections. Go ghost for a year, you
take one year, go to Bali, go to Vietnam, go
to Medae and go to Stockholm.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Leave your phone.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Take the classics, read them, study them, learn MVP, meditation, visualization,
and prayer, take long walks and get lost, talk to strangers,
find yourself, and after that year or six months or
three months, come back to the world reconnected with who
you truly are. So I think being alone and going
ghost is important. So you talk about how do we

(43:01):
rewire our relationship with money. I think the DNA of
transformation is awareness. So it's the process a first fall
realizing that money is something, but it's not everything. So
our society says, measure your success by your not worth.
In many ways, that's how society tells us to think.

(43:21):
We pedestal the billionaire. We don't put the gardener or
the teacher or the firefighter on the front cover of
the magazine. So understanding that money is not everything and
it won't be the source of yours. Like I've met,
so many people have sold their companies. I think one
person in particular, he said, we had a liquidity event.

(43:42):
We were waiting for the funds to wire into the account.
My whole family was sitting around the table. We watched
the funds go into the account and it goes. I
went into the account and I didn't feel any different.
And it's that Zen proverb. Wherever you go, there you
are so Realizing that trap number two, Realizing of course

(44:03):
money is important, gets you better way to journey through
life in some ways, less stress. You can do great
things for your family, you can help people in need,
you can get things.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
That you like.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
There's nothing wrong with material objects, but not defining yourself
by your art collection, not defining yourself by your gnat worth,
because then that becomes just another drug of choice. So
it's what I was saying earlier, which is making money.
Prosperity is a wonderful thing. I mean, if you look

(44:41):
at the universe, there's no scarcity. There's flowers everywhere, and
there's clouds, and there's so much. The universe is abundant.
So there's nothing wrong with abundant forms of money. I
don't think we need to make it bad at all.
But not using it and having it as our god

(45:01):
to the point where actually we become so busy chasing
money we forget about the other seven forms of well
We forget about our family, forget about our wellness. What's
the point. There's one wisdom tradition. They say when we
are young, we would sacrifice our health for wealth, and
when we get old and wise, we would sacrifice all

(45:21):
of our wealth for one day of good health. So
making money is not at all bad thing, but let's
not sacrifice the other seven mountaintops that are important for
a truly well lived life.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah, having a more expanse definition is so required because
we're often also only measuring our success in life and
happiness based on that one metric. I think that measurement
piece is so interesting because I was saying to a
friend a couple of years ago, he really slowed down
from his work because he fell in love and he

(45:55):
found love, and he's gone on to get engaged to
the individual and at some point soon they'll get married.
And he always felt that that year was such a
wasted year in his life because he was looking at
it through the lens of the business didn't progress, you know,
my financial life didn't progress. And I've said to him
so many times, I said, that was one of the

(46:16):
best investments of your life because you found love, Like,
you'll look back at that year as the best year
of your life of all time. But if you're only
measuring your success, and I was like, you have no
idea how that stability is going to impact your career
in the next few years. You could have been distracted
looking for love for the next five years and your
work would have been distracted.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Here you are.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
You found love in one year, and now look, you'll
have that stability. And it's so interesting what we measure
makes such a difference. And I like that You're giving
us eight things to measure as opposed to one thing.
And then you start to realize how rich you truly are,
because no eight are going to align every year anyway.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
These are eight priorities. Yeah, great life. And you talk
about that love story. You know how rich, how wealthy
are those are those two people. I even think about
the times that we are dealing with heartbreak, you know,
the times we are dealing with tragedy. The ego says,

(47:19):
this is a waste of time. The ego says, I
should be productive. What's more productive than navigating the hard
times and using the painful moments to introduce us to
our strengths, using the difficulty to make us wiser, to
teach us forgiveness, to help us learn the great human

(47:41):
virtues of patience and understanding. So I think it's our
ego that tells us, oh, we're wasting time. If we're
building love, we're wasting time. If we're healing, we're wasting time.
If we're going through a hard season on our journey.
But it's all christ for the mill, you know. I

(48:01):
think the person who experiences the most wins and work
is important. But let's not confuse productivity with busy, and
let's not confuse movement with progress. And I think a
great human life has many different seasons and many different elements,
and maybe there's a time for each of them.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Absolutely, you talk about knowing your scarcity scars. This one
really resonated with me because I think we don't realize
what a scarcity mindset we've built up over time in
all of these areas, I don't deserve love, I manifest
bad health. I must be going to get sick. I'm

(48:43):
going to ruin this and throw it all away, Like
these are repetitive thoughts in people's minds in scarcity, in
each of these areas that you break down as the
eight priorities, Somewhere deep inside of ourselves we believe we
don't deserve career success, love, success, wellness, success craft. I
can never be good enough to do that. That's for

(49:03):
special people. That's for the Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, that's
not for me. Like those people mastered their craft. So
these scarcity scars that exist, how do you even develop
the idea that your scarcity scar doesn't have to be
your reality forever.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
So there's an idea that I share called recruit a
dead board of directors, And recruiting a dead board of
directors is about the power of mentors. And all it
takes is one conversation with an interesting person to revolutionize

(49:43):
the way we see the world. And we talked about
the pendem programming, the Five forces. In so many ways
we adopt the When we're little kids, we have these
social cues and we watch and listen to how our
parentcy of the world. And that's what parents do. They
teach us how the world works. And for a lot
of parents, they teach a scarcity. Money doesn't grow on trees.

(50:06):
I had one client his father repeat it over and
over and over again. All rich people are liars, cheats
and thieves. How many times do parents say, that's a
great idea. You want to be in the NBA, or
you want to be a painter, you want to be
a best selling author. You want to be a billionaire?
Be reasonable makes me think of George Bernard Shaw said,

(50:28):
the reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable
one persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. So what is recruiting
a dead board of directors all about? Well, it's like,
if you can't have a mentor who's a possibilitarian and

(50:49):
who mentors you and teaches you how to do it,
then find some dead people through their books that influence you.
And so how do we heal these these scars? Well,
we realized that genius is less about genetics and it's
more about your daily habits. You know, if you look
at the people we put on pedestals, the headye lamars,

(51:10):
the great actors, the great athletes, Aristotle, on Nasis, Nelson Mandel,
one of my greatest heroes in my life, and you
read their biographies. These people are all cut from the
same cloth as as we are. You know, the story
of human greatness is all about people from ordinary circumstances,

(51:35):
wiring in new habits, taking risks, getting knocked down so much,
and being and being resilient. So I think having a
dead boarder, I even think of Kobe. You know, you
mentioned Kobe. So he actually said, you know, I got
in the NBA, and I thought everyone would want to
be best in the world and want to be iconic.

(51:58):
And he said, I realized a lot of people got
in the NBA and that was their badge of honor.
They were good, and they just started partying and they
might do one workout every day. And he said, I
realized that if I got up at three o'clock every morning,
practice from four to six, went home, had breakfast, et cetera,
went back, did another workout eleven o'clock to noon, went home,

(52:18):
had some lunch, recover, rested, did another workout, went home,
had dinner, and did a fourth workout. To use his words,
after a period of four or five years, I would
develop an advantage so great that no one would ever
catch up. So all I'm saying is people whose lives
we want to be living, they're not cut from some

(52:40):
magical cloth, you know, scarcity scars like the richest people
I mentioned Aristotal on Nasis, he started with two hundred
and fifty dollars. But they're just doing a series of
practices and they're adopting different ways of seeing the world,
and they're not playing victim and giving away their power
to external things, insteadily through time to build the lives

(53:01):
that we now admire.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Well said I The reason why that resonates so strongly
with me, I've often said, and I love your language
around it. I've often said that I've been mentored by
people I've never met because I had the fortune of
reading Martin Luther King when I was young, reading Steve Jobs,
you know, when Walter Isaacson wrote his brilliant book on
Steve Jobs, reading Einstein. You know, it's just it's amazing

(53:27):
that we're so obsessed with what people think of us
as opposed to how people lived. And it's we think
a mentor is about who can give me direct advice,
and we're so interested in advice as opposed to you
can actually study the action that that dead board of
directors did in that scenario. How did they deal with stress?

(53:47):
How did they deal with pressure? How do they deal
with failure? How do they deal with success? Like?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
What did they do?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Like?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
It's so great to have a dead board of directors.
I love that language because you can actually study the actions,
not just the advice, and we often get so lost
in advice that we miss out and realizing it's behavior change,
it's action, it's habit change, as you're saying, that really
makes the shifts in our life. And you mentioned this
earlier I wanted to come back to. It was this

(54:14):
three great friends rule, and I love that you talk
about having three great friends. I heard recently somewhere I
can't remember. I was browsing on social media and someone said,
you need three am friends as well. Like friends, you
can call at three am then they'll pick up the phone.
How do you know what is the quality of a
great long term friend? What is a great friend? I'm

(54:35):
not sure we even know anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
A great friend is someone you can be yourself with
and they still love you. Great friend is I had
a line in the book, you know you're in a
foreign country. In three am, they hop on a plane
and they come get you. A great friend is someone
who you can laugh with. Great friend is someone who

(55:00):
you're going through your most difficult times and they'll listen
to you for hours. A great friend is, you know,
someone who accepts you, someone who helps you be seen.
A great friend is someone who when you're with them
you feel joyful versus depleted. So I think it's really important,
you know, in this world where we are maximalists want

(55:24):
we want to be all things to all people. We
want to have so many different friends, focus on three
great friends. We want to read a hundred books, master
three books. Maybe it's Jobs, is Isaacson's autobiography on Jobs
like you mentioned. Maybe it's The Prophet by Khalil Uberan.
Maybe it's The Giving Tree by Shell Silver Steme. Maybe

(55:49):
it's Meditations of Marcus Aurelius, one of my favorite books
of all time. You know. But I think just being
a minimalist is so powerful. Build your life around a
few things. Even in work I mentioned it, rather than
pushing at one thousand pieces of mediocrity, do one thing

(56:10):
incredibly well, you know, even if it takes five years,
ten years. There's a chapter called make your Project X
in the Wealth Money Camp, and the example is the
Duomo in Milan. How long they spent on it. In
this world where we want to do something in an
hour and they get the rewards or maybe a week,

(56:31):
maybe a month, it took six hundred years to create
the Domo. These are values of an unspoken age. Six
hundred years of calibrating, refining, optimizing to create the Domo.
And so that's what a project X is. Rather than
doing lots of things, you do one thing. Maybe it's

(56:53):
one work of art. Michelangelo took four years of working
on the chapel of the Sistine ceiling, but he got
the job done. So minimalism is very, very powerful in.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
One of the things you said that this idea of
we're almost trying to be so many things to so
many people that it's hard to find the right friends.
One of the things you talk about is do not
be a doormat. And I find that that becomes that
people pleasing mentality, that ability I can mold and I
can be whatever you want me to be, and I
can be lots of things, and we feel validated that way.

(57:32):
But in the end, we're just becoming a doormat. Everyone
crosses over a doormat, and a doormat welcomes everyone in
the same way. So when I read that, I was like,
how do we be kind but not be a doormat?
How do we be service oriented but not be a doormat?
How do we balance that art of being welcoming but
not being a doormat.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Well, you know, for many years, like you j, I've
talked about the power of just being being kind, you know,
and it sounds so simple, But being kind staying in
a hotel, remembering there's someone going to clean my room
after I leave the room. So put the towels in
the bathtub, straighten out the bed, leave the room service

(58:16):
tray clean. Little acts of kindness not only are gifts
you give to someone else, it's a gift you give
to yourself. You respect yourself more so then people came
sometimes say to me, well, if I'm kind, people will
take advantage of me. And I would say people will
only take advantage of you if you allow people to
take advantage of you. Let's not confuse kindness with weakness.

(58:40):
There is a time to always be kind, but that
doesn't mean you'll let people walk over you. And that
makes me think of another idea that I write about,
which is the importance of you know, in this world
right now, it's so easy to live the same year
eighty times and call it life. And there's one chapter

(59:01):
called be a Perfect Moment Creator, And the story I
tell him there is of Eugene Kelly. Oh Kelly, excuse
me and Eugene O'Kelly used to be the former CEO
of KPMG, the accounting behemoth, And one day he walked
into his doctor's office to get the results of a
routine medical and the doctor came out with an expression

(59:22):
you never want to see on the face of your
doctor when you go to get your results. And he
was told he had ninety days left to live. He
had an interoperable brain tumor. So confronted with his mortality,
he realized for the first time he had never in
all his years as a corporate titan, he had never
taken his wife to lunch. He had missed so many

(59:46):
Christmas concerts of his daughter. He had never spent time
with his friends walking through Central Park and having conversations.
And so he decided to re engineer his last ninety days,
and he said, I want to become a perfect moment creator.
And he spent those last ninety days. He actually died
roughly ninety days after the report from his doctor. But

(01:00:09):
I think that's so powerful. You know, when you're with
your family, when you're with your work, when you're with yourself,
each and every day, find some way to create a
perfect moment. Maybe it's giving a gift to someone through
a compliment. Maybe it's taking some time to do something
that fills you with joy. But being a perfect moment creator,
I think is a form of wealth money camp.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Buy for sure, Robin, I have one last question for you,
which I think is such an interesting challenge with so
many people right now. Your rule is see another's winning
as your victory. And I think we live in a
world right now where seeing other people winning is we

(01:00:54):
take it as a reflection of our losing. Right. We
see others winning as a reflection of us being in
We see someone winning as a feeling of we're behind.
We see someone else winning as a feeling of there's
not enough space, it's too consumed. It's there's too many
podcasts in the world, there's too many books in the world,

(01:01:14):
there's too many Instagram reels in the world, Like how
can I do anything? Like if that person's winning, then
they've taken my spot. We live in a world believing
that there's a finite number of seats in the theater
of happiness and in the theater of dreams, and that
there isn't a seat with our name on it. Rather
than seeing another's victory as our own. How do we

(01:01:37):
train ourselves to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Well, this is such an absolutely important point, and you're right,
a lot of us look on one of the social
media feeds and we see someone and as we all know,
a lot of that isn't real. So that's the first thing,
we don't know the truth of how someone's really living.
The second thing I would say is, you do want
to train yourself to see someone's victory as an example

(01:02:01):
of possibility, And you want to train yourself and how
do you do it? MVP meditation, visualization and prayer. Prayer
is very powerful, you know, or when you're writing, write
about your insecurities, write about how you're feeling when you
see someone else winning. You know, metabolize the feelings of
inferiority by noticing them, by journaling about them, simply by

(01:02:23):
sitting with them, processing through. That's how you move through,
as you know so well, how do you move through
a feeling of insecurity not enoughness? You acknowledge it and
you don't give away your power, You don't make excuses,
you don't throw rocks at those people. You go, what
is it about their winning that is bringing up my
in not enoughness? And you'll work through that not enoughness

(01:02:45):
through journaling, through meditation, through prayer, through silence, through stillness,
through nature walks. And so I think if we can
train ourselves to say, wow, that person is doing so
well and applaud them and feel good for them and
say if they can do it, I can do it,
I think we're going to be much more peaceful. I

(01:03:05):
would also say about the podcast. Someone is going to
launch a new podcast that is going to do incredibly well.
Why not you? Someone is going to write that new
best seller tomorrow that is going to dominate the list.
Why not you? Someone is going to launch that new
business that's going to change the world. Why not you?

(01:03:26):
And then the last thing I'd say about is we
all know, but this kind of a way of being
where we see someone else's success as something that brings out,
you know, like we have resentment for it. It's coming
from a place of great scarcity and fear versus generosity.
And if we are stuck in scarcity, then we're never

(01:03:49):
going to bring our magic to the world we're operating.
I mean, everything we do reflects who we are, and
if we're in scarcity and we're really it's about jealousy,
and if we're feeling jealous, it's someone else's victory and
it has nothing to do with them. We need to
work through our feelings of jealousy until we get to
our next level of consciousness and evolution. I think it's

(01:04:09):
a great opportunity to see what other people's success bring
up for us.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Robin Sharma. Everyone in the book is called The Wealth
Money Can't Buy. The Eight Hidden Habits to live your
Richest life. Robin, I'm so grateful for your time, your
energy for pouring into this book for us picking some
of my favorites today. But like I said, there is
so much in this book to unpack. Please tag me
and Robin on Instagram, on x, on TikTok, on any

(01:04:35):
platform you use on social media with your greatest insights
the chapters that are speaking to you. Take pictures of
the book and post them and tag us so that
we can see which moments inside this book are resonating
with you strongly and which ones you're trying to apply.
And as Robin beautifully said, it's not about reading one
hundred books this year, about three that you can master.
If we can learn to master the Wealth Money Can't Buy,

(01:04:59):
it will hold with such a deep and profound impact
in our life that will value thirty years from now,
fifty years from now. Robin, thank you so much again
for your time, your energy, your presence. Always grateful to
be with you, and I'm so grateful that you put
this book together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Thank you so much for your time. Jay, keep changing
the world, and really a joy to see you again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode
with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how
to speak to yourself with more compassion.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
My fears are only going to continue to show me
what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears,
the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom,
and I just want to keep doing that

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