Orlando Bloom: 3 Reasons Why You Need to Allow Yourself to Make Mistakes & Shift Your Perspective on Fear

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Some of the deepest fheares I have are related to
a historical pattern of behavior or thinking, which I don't
know that I was even conscious of.

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I think that our deepest spheres they often lie in
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Speaker 1 (01:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hey everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place you
come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Today's conversation
is long overdue. HAVE been excited for this guest to
be in the studio for many, many years now, and
I can't wait to have what he just called a
heart centric conversation. My favorite types of exchanges and interactions.
Today's guest and on Purpose is the one and only

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Orlando Bloom, well known for starring in some of the
biggest movies of all time, whether it's The Lord of
the Rings or Pirates of the Caribbean and so many more.
And Orlando will next be seen starring in Peacock's limited
adventure DOCU series To the Edge, which Orlando also produced,
and premiers on April eighteenth. This is something I've already

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had a snapshot off, already a sneak peek. I can't
wait for you to see it. I think it's going
to challenge you internally and externally, and I think it's
going to help you get out of your comfort zone
this year, So make sure you don't miss To the Edge.
Welcome to On Purpose, Orlando Bloom. Orlando, thank you for
doing this.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Thanks for having me. Jay.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's really an honor to have you here, because thanks
I feel like we don't know each other we've never
met or spilled together. Yeah, it feels like it. And
even today when we were just talking when you came in,
I was like, why is this so easy?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Mystical?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
What is it about? You know, you were saying you're
new to the world of podcasting, but it seems to
be something you're opening yourself up to. Where's that? Where's
that coming from?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, first of all, I love what you do. Thank
you for having me. It's so beautiful to see to
see the messaging you put out in the world. To
the Edge is the first time I've worked in a
unscripted space and I'm very proud of it. And I
thought i'd try, you know, like, I haven't intentionally not
done podcasts. I just haven't I and I've been wanting,

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as you said, to work with you for ages. So
I was like, totally sit down and have a conversation
with you. And I tried to get to one of
your your your speaking engagements, which I wasn't able to.
But it's like, I just thought, this is an opportunity
to like have a heart centric conversation, and I love
the messaging you're putting out. And actually, you know, Edge
is a show that came up. It was the birth child,

(03:23):
the brainchild of a period of time that I think
was really challenging in the world for everyone, you know,
through COVID, where I think fear was sort of around
all of us. We were all like, wait, well, you
know what, what do we what are we living through?
This is so unique? And I was it was sort
of palpable in my environment, and I'm not I'm not
comfortable with fear. I'm like, I'm always like I run

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into it, like I like want to transform it. I
want to like I want to you know, it's people say,
what are you afraid of? Right, you know, sharks, I'm like,
I'm afraid of fear, you know, because it's like I
want to confront anything in my life that feels challenging
on those levels. So actually, initially I would love to

(04:07):
have spoken to you on my show. I had this
idea where I would speak to people, you know, and
also people like in blue zones and spaces in the
world where people like have just got it figured, they've
got it dial whether it's through dire lifestyle choices and
all of the things that you speak about. It's like,
I was like, I want to go and explore the
people in the world that do that. And I've had

(04:29):
this amazing opportunity with UNISEF for many years twenty years
now almost, and so I've sort of been in communities
where I've seen how an impact, what a great impact,
positivity can have, right, which I think is the message
of UNSEF. Also the funding that they support for communities.
So I was like, I want to go and talk
to people, but we didn't really get we got no hits.

(04:53):
Nobody was really interested in me doing that. And I
think there's also a Blue Zone show that is apparently
epic as well, so they but how about we just
throw you out of a plane and I'll see if
you can swim to the bottom of the ocean. And when
we throw you up a mountain, I was like, I
could do that.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
It also feeds into my sort of adrenaline sort of
fueled sort of aspects of my life. I think, you know,
as a kid, you know, I was I think I
just was so active and physical and sort of approached
life with that fearlessness, and in some ways, you know,

(05:30):
that was a blessing. But I came definitely came out
banged up and bruised. I think I had I was
diagnosed with dyslexia when I was like maybe nine to ten,
so I had some extra schooling in that space and
that really helped me because I had I had a
kind of unusually high IQ, but I just was really
challenged that focus and concentration. I think I was probably

(05:50):
undiagnosed early on with like probably ADHD, which I've subsequently
kind of come to realize that was definitely something that
I've I've been navigating and now I've kind of found
my way through to the sort of magic of what
that can be for me.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Do you remember your earliest fear as a kid.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's funny because I'm an actor, but I used to
just be terrified at getting on stage. I had real
stage fright as a kid. I was actually my mother
enrolled me into a ballet class as a kid, so
until like I think from probably a todd tiny toddler
until I was maybe four or five, and I think

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at around four, we did this performance in Canterbury at
the Marlow Theater, which is the biggest theater in town,
pretty big theater actually, and we did a little ballet
show which was just me as there was probably a
whole lot going on. And I'm four, so I don't
entirely remember, but I do know that I was dressed
in a monkey see. I remember having a really hot
itchy monkey see on and having an itch on my

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bottom and I was a little embarrassed, so I turned
around to scratch my bottom so nobody would see me.
But the whole audience just ripped because kind of cute, right,
So I think my first fear was, like, I think
it like being on stage. So I kind of, you know,
I did. I did all the National Youth Theater stuff
in London. I did youth theater. Everything I could do
at school was my sort of start, and I was

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just constantly every time I did it. Like I used
to remember walking on stage and I'd be like, my
mom used to do this, you can you know. My
mom had this one thing and she shake her fist.
Says a lot about my life, but she'd shake her
fist and say you can do it, you know. And
I so I had this thing and I'd sort of go,
and then I I was quite you know, I was.

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I was confirmed in the Cathedral, Canterbury by the Archbiitgeal
of canterabury because it was like where I'm from and stuff,
which kind of a big deal. Religious practice was always
kind of a part of my life, so I'd always
sort of say a prayer as well and think and
then kind of go out and do it. And I'd
like and it was like never more focused than when
I was on stage. And that was a great feeling
because otherwise I think I was struggling in school to

(07:58):
articulate my thoughts, follow or continue my thought thread. So yeah,
I think fear for me was that, which is ironic
because of course now I'm you know, then I went
on to being an actor, but also I have a
you know, I think at sixteen, I moved to London,
which was quite young, and I was on my own
to do my A levels. And it was when I

(08:19):
was sixteen that I met a Buddhist practice, so early. Yeah,
so I was very young to meet a Buddhist practice,
and it was a philosophy and it is a religious practice,
but it's way more of a sort of philosophy and
almost like a guide to life, if you like.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
For me, what was it about it at sixteen that
resonated with you?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I think that having left the sort of institutionalized schooling
that you and I both recognized from London and England
rather not London. I was in Canterbury, but I went
to a private school. I had a pretty solid middle
class education. But so it was like it was like
there was sort of you know, chapel every morning, Simpson,

(09:02):
you know, and so I had I had that sort
of in me and I think I really enjoyed that.
But when I moved to London, I didn't have I
didn't find the church or find a community. And it
was when I was studying for my A levels I
realized that I needed extra art for my sculpture exam,
which I hadn't thought thought through. I'd given up art
quite a young age. I just didn't have a teacher

(09:24):
that I didn't just it was unfortunate. So I met
through my best friend. I met an artist. He introduced
me and I did extra classes and i'd just go
back to Kent. He was actually from Ken So I
go down on the weekends and he set me up
in a room and he'd say with an easel and
he say, here, just do this. And I had a
humor in the other room and he'd be going numbying
and nummy on aigo and I'd be like just carrying.

(09:46):
And one day I walked down so weeding. He goes,
I'm just I'm just chanting that you're going to be
really successful in your exams and you have a really
successful life. I was like, cool, well will it help?
He goes, yeah. I was like great, So I just
got down on my knees. I was like numb yawning.
And and so David, who is who I've known since
I like, yes, maybe seventeen, sixteen or seventeen, but he

(10:07):
was he is he shakabuuka me, which is what we
call him my practice where I swear somebody introduces you
to the practice. So he is, and he was wonderful
because he he's sort of At sixteen, I was living
in London and I was a real terrorway when I
was like a club kid, I was like having a
really good time. Everything was like you know, I mean
I was, I wasn't. I don't want to mischaracterize myself

(10:28):
because in some ways I always knew what I wanted to.
I kind of had a sort of self discipline regulator almost.
I didn't go too far, but I always pushed the
boundaries of what was I could do, and I was
having a really good time, and I was like and
I said, well, you know, he explained it in a
very sort of simple way to me. But it was
like I was like, well, can I chant for these

(10:49):
things that I kind of you know, it could have
been anything? And he was like, yeah, sure. And sometimes
it was like, well, I want to have a really
good night in this, that and the other, and he
was like, see what happens, and and I would and
sometimes I'd wake up with a really sore head and
I'd be like, oh, okay. So words like integraty, integrity
with them, courage, compassion, things that were like were started

(11:11):
to come filter at a young age into my into
my thinking through also the writings of Dasaku Okada is
my mentor, and so it was like it was just
it was this perfect moment for me because I think
I always wanted a roadmap. I think there's an art
to living, and for me, this philosophy is for me.

(11:34):
It's it's it's a it's a way for me to
understand the art of living. And I think it's really
like the law of cause and effect, and I think
all religions kind of mix and match and meet. The
central core of all practices I think is one of
you know, good good will. I believe, right, but there
was almost like science like cause and effect. What goes

(11:54):
up must come down. It just sort of it worked
for me as a as an idea, and so yeah,
I became, but it took me four years. I shack
a book and my sister, my best friend and it
was like and they and one day my best friend is, well,
I'm going to go and get Gohons and Gohans and
is this scroll that we we chant to? And I
was like, wait, you what so I'm getting Gohonso. I

(12:15):
was like uh. And he'd been chanting for like maybe
I don't know, six eight months, and I was like uh.
I was like, okay, I'll join you. I'll I was like,
I've been doing this for four years and I hadn't
or you know, years and I hadn't. So yeah, I
became a member of the Sui, which is the organization.
And that was you know, when I was nine a
bit later because I'd started chanting, but I just used

(12:35):
to just I chanted, and it was like it kept
me in rhythm and it and it was and that's
really for me. It kept me in a flow. It's
like the rhythm of life. And in a way. When
I was doing my my sculpture exam, I remember I
was painting like a whale bone and a lemon or
a pineapple like it was it with a whale bone

(12:56):
and like some kind of piece of fruit, and I
was like, I'd look at it. I'd painting and it
was a fifteen hour still life oil painting exam had
a still life drawing exam as well as the sculpture.
I'd go to the toilet be like I come back
and we like and finish the painting, and I think like, yeah,
I got the highest grade. And then they called and

(13:17):
said we'd like to keep this work as the highest
grade for the country. Kind of thing is like like
this is the bench and I was like I hadn't
been doing art and I so I really tested it
and it was you know, I think I think the
power as you you know, you know, when you set
an intention and at such a young age, you know,
for young people, for young people today, I think having

(13:39):
something like something that you can trust and I think,
you know, I really admire I think it's hard to
have faith.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
With the with the chanting and with the practice or
the habit of that. What were some of the more
philosophical lessons or principles that kind of became anchor or
a compass in your life at that time where there
certain teachings or lessons that stood out and you're like, oh,
these are going to form the principles that I'm going
to live by.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, so many Iasakua Kada. Fortunately, he's well, has has
written extensively and it's very accessible.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
For those who don't know, Please tell us, so is.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Isakuakada is my mentor? He was? He is? He brought
this practice from Japan around the world. It was you know,
it was in the sixties, I think he is when
he left Japan and traveled first to Hawaii and the
founding members of this practice and many of whom are
wonderful Japanese women who have been a bit a living

(14:45):
around the world, and he brought this practice two one
hundred and ninety three countries I think now his mentor
Jose Toder and before that, matcha guki, Jose Toda's mental
matcha guki in the sixties in Japan brought this practice
forward and Isakaa Kaida really made it accessible. He wrote extensively.

(15:07):
He he's written a book about his book about his
life is written from another perspective. It's like it's him,
but it's written as another person. It's at set the person.
Well if it's not the same. But if it's it's him,
but it's not, it's he's got a pseudo name for
who it is.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, yeah, right, so he.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
But it's just it's I think there are so many
ideas within the practice, but at its core, it's like,
I just find that through chanting, you say, nam might
devote myself from your heard inga cure to the mystic
law of cause and effect through the vibration of sound.
And the sound is now your nga cure you heard

(15:47):
ye cure as the title of the Lotus Sutra, and
as you may or may not know, but yeah, you know,
Shakamuni Buddha, the Buddha, said Arthur the he wrote sutras teachings,
and in the low past eight years of his life,
it was the Lotus Sutra before he passed that he
sort of proclaimed as the teaching that would lead all
living beings to enlightenment. In this lifetime, and so that's

(16:10):
why we chant nam Engikyl being also the title of
the Lotus Sutra. And then I recite two chapters from
the Expedient Means of the Lifespan chapter from the Lotus Sutra,
which is part of this practice, which is beautifully Japanese
because it traveled from India through the Silk paths and

(16:30):
landed in Japan. And it was Nission Daishonen who was
a in the in twelve seventy twelve seventy around then,
so you call that the thirteenth century. He propagated the
teaching and he brought this teaching to the world at
that time. So he he enshrined in sumiyink the Gohonzen,

(16:51):
which is as I sort of said, that scroll that
I chant to, he inscribed it with sumiy inc and
he gave because he recognized that sort of humans needed something,
a mandela, something to look at. And really it's like
it's like polishing my mirror. So I excuse my adid brain,
but it's like polishing my mirror. So I think about

(17:12):
when I chant, I think about in India, it was
like a bronze mirror and you polish it and then
you see your reflection. Right, So the more I chant,
the more I see my reflection and I see the
things or like it's like a tea leaf, a glass
of tea and I'm just like stirring away and it
comes to the surface and you're do chanting. And I
think as you get older and I have, you know,
two beautiful children, and you realize that, like it's sort

(17:33):
of I think death is a big part of life,
and it's something that we some people can be very
uncomfortable with or challenged by, and we're mystically, you know,
here for such a short period of time relative to everything,
and this practice is like kind of constantly preparing you.

(17:53):
And it's sort of so the obstacles that you see
in life because essentially, you know what the way that
I've learned through my practices that we're born, we grow old,
we'll get sick, and we'll die and so will everyone
around us, and hopefully nobody we love too soon. But
the truth is you will lose and there is and
I think that when you can see the obstacles in

(18:16):
your life, and it may be just waking up in
the morning and getting a bill that you can't afford
to pay, or you know, for somebody, or when you
take the obstacles in your life as the opportunities for
your growth, when you reframe it as oh wow, because
the truth is, at least my truth through my practice,
is that we're never not going to have opportunity obstacles, right,

(18:40):
And it's just how we see those obstacles and whether
they become our benefit. So it's like painting a canvas, right,
like when I broke my back, or when I had
you know, near death experiences or you know, experiences I
say about a few kind of interesting things in my life,
or heartbreak or heart reveal or you know, something that
happened in school or things like those are the deep

(19:01):
colors in your canvas. Otherwise everythings are sort of like
plain nice, you know, and you want those rich textures, right,
or at least I do. So I find I found
that that, you know, the practice has given me the
sort of the pathway and and by the way, I
am like I intentionally sabotage myself, you know what I mean.

(19:25):
I mean, I literally I'm like, I'm like I'm not chanting.
I have chanted because I'm like I get in my
own way, you know, I'm far from like I'm like literally,
you know, and I'll get picked up on it by
by friends I keep. I have a very you know,
I have David and my best friend Mark and Chris
and Chris who's in the show actually give I called Gibbo.
We all practice and so we kind of keep each

(19:46):
other kind of accountable a little bit as well. But
as you get older, you know, I think you're you know,
you've probably experienced in in your own way, but it
becomes so much harder, you know, just to keep that
kind of that faith in everything because because but it's
been for me that it's been I think I was
such a young age to get it. Yeah, you know,
I know people who are born into it because you

(20:07):
know their parents, you know, were certain and that's like this,
you know, fortune baby I call and that's so blessed,
you know, such a blessing. But but the Eight Wins
is something that Nission has shown and wrote this book.
I didn't intend this to be about. It's beautiful, just
like riffing beautiful, like he wrote. He wrote, he wrote
the Ghost Show and it's like letters to his disciples,

(20:29):
and it's crazy because they're like they're written in twelve
twenty twelve seventy something, then the thirteenth century. But they're
so weirdly current, Like it's a bit because it's like
there's a samurai, Sho Shingo king Yo, who I kind
of like see myself as like maybe I was, you know,
like I have this like nice idea of who he was,
but like he had he had shared the practice with

(20:50):
his master, and his master was like giving them all
these lands, and then all these other samurai were jealous,
and so they're like they tore his character down and
he was banished, and then he managed to kind of
come back because of his practice and communicate to his
lord and it kind of worked. But it's like we
know that story. It happens in every office in every city,
or at least you know, we've heard it time and
time again. So they're so sort of current and relative

(21:12):
but absolutely white that the eight wins is a really
great is one that I grew up. A wise man
is not swayed by the eight wins of praise, censure
on a disgrace, pleasure, suffering, prosperity the client, and that
is really powerful, you know, And that was one that
just like for me, it was like you know, just

(21:36):
I don't think i've I think I've been swayed many
and many a time.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
How does one not get swayed by praise? And what
was the second.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Word, raising? Censure?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
So the opposite, Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, So how
does one not get swayed?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah? I think I think as a as a as
a young man, and I don't, like I feel I'm
young at heart. So I kind of like years ago,
you know, when I was, like when it was when
I was what I feel like, really in the eye
of the storm, and just like my whole life was
just like tabloid fodder in some ways, it felt like
constantly and anything I did, I think that was really

(22:10):
challenging for me. It was like and I don't think
I handled I don't think I didn't have any kind
of major meltdowns, but like I was really upset about
how my character felt like it was being dragged. Actually
it's why I started on Instagram account, which I did
some I started very late in the game, but I
only did it because actually my partner Katie had said

(22:31):
it's a really good way to gather the reins and
create a narrative, and like, now I know it's like,
I don't know how many people even really use there's
so many different new app things, media platforms, you know.
But in a way it kind of was able. It
sort of helped me to kind of create my own
narrative at least and to put messaging out that I
felt was, you know, reflected my whole my ideas and views,

(22:55):
you know, which obviously are mostly very centric centered around
my practice and Disaccada really his writing.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I love seeing you person about.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Someone that says someone he has, he has well beautiful things,
and so yeah, you know, so I think I just
I just kind of my practice definitely helped me with that.
It was definitely anchoring. I think I think I kind
of I got very good at hiding, which I would
never encourage and if you know, but in a way,

(23:26):
I kind of like I got very good at putting
a hat on and going moving through the world without
And you know, if I could go back, I would
probably say to that kid, like, you know what, shine
it bro just be you're here to make mistakes, and
if they're public or private, you know, they're the mistakes
that you will. That's that deep purple in your canvas. Yeah,

(23:49):
just it's it's not really how you go down, it's
how you get up right. So and trust your heart,
you know, and trust that you're in the in the flow.
And that's that's something that I don't think I had
a lot of, you know, as a kid. So as
you as you, as you move on, you just go well,
the noise just eventually subsides. And now I'm like, have

(24:09):
a perspective on it, just for years and I'm like,
it's it's, it's, it's it's it's helped to know, you know,
I like, I think it's but that was it was
definitely through chanting that I think, and my practice and
friends and the community that I had around me at
the time, and and also being on the road and
working so much. I think I just didn't most of

(24:31):
it was just like hardly didn't really look at it,
didn't really pay attention.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
But yeah, hearing you say that, I mean, what's beautiful
is that it often feels like so many of these
lessons can only be lived and understood when they're lived.
But it's helpful to know the lesson you're learning and
how it fits in. Yeah, it's almost like you had
to go through that you couldn't have asked yourself to

(24:55):
deal with it better or do better at the time. No, no,
but the fact that you had this lesson philosophy practice to.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Guide back or to kind of understand look at give
me perspective. Yeah, for sure, that was a massive blessing.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, when you're talking about fears and your first fear
all the way through to this. Obviously when you watch
the show, there's this feeling of the external fear, right,
Like the idea of jumping out of a plane, the
idea of rock climbing. All of these things are naturally
inherently scary, right, right, what's the internal fear when you're

(25:32):
doing it? Like, what is the dialogue that's going on?
Because obviously you're quite a reflective, thoughtful individual. What's really
the fear because it obviously isn't jumping out the plane
for you.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I think it comes back to trust and faith,
right and self worth. Right, there are protocols that you follow,
like all of these like adrenaline junkie athletes that you see,
you know, maybe posting a fifteen second clip on a
social media page, have spent their lives and potentially weeks, days, years, hours, two,

(26:14):
perfect whatever. It's you're seeing for a fifteen second moment,
and you know, like Louke Aikins jumped from like the
stratosphere without a parachute, landing in a net. Camille Jebba,
who is who is my free diving coach along with

(26:34):
Will Troubich, who was who runs this vertical Blue competition
in the Bahamas where I was diving Supreme Athletes who
you know Camilla has swam to she's the Mexican world
record holder of like eighteen eighty plus meters. Now that's

(26:55):
a you know, I think I got to thirty seven meters,
which is about the four days, which was like one hundred,
and I was really struggling because of my mask I had.
I think I wish I'd not worn a mask. I
wish i'd just like had goggled like the other I
wish I'd thought that through because but I had some
issues with equalizing. But you know and or Mo Beck

(27:19):
who's this adaptive climber who just you know was born
with one hand and it started climbing as a child
and just you know, is the woman in her field
doing what she does and it's like a glass hot
you know, it's it's just overflowing. These people are just overflowing.

(27:40):
But what it is is that they are experts and
they it is a life choice almost right, So in
a way like people have said to me, have you
gone back to doing the freedom the wingsuiting or that,
And I'm like, I really can't wait to do that.
But it's like it's not something you just pit dip
in and out of. You know, it's a real lifestyle choice,
and it's a commitment, and it's it's something that gives

(28:01):
you excellence. And I think the so so trusting in
that moment that everything you trusting myself. For me, it
was about becoming capable, right in a way, like like
learning to follow the protocols, learning to be present enough
to take on board everything that's being told to me
so that I can apply it to the moment that

(28:22):
I'm in. So when I'm in the plane, I'm about
to jump, and I'm really and I I uh, you know,
I think the to be fair, I think the climbing.
I got such a body mouth on the climber because
I was so frustrated and terrified by the by the gear,
by the nots, by like whether I died it right
or whether the road was going to hold me or
whether I was going to and mostly because actually I

(28:43):
had Mo's life in my hands right like so, but
it was I think becoming capable and having that like
education and then being accountable for myself. So in the
moment where the fear is really kicking and it's just
trusting by kind of coming back to what everything I've
learned from my practice was trusting your life, having faith

(29:05):
in your life. I think faith is is so important,
and I think misguided faith is sometimes so challenging for
us as a as a as a species because it's
led to so much heartbreak and conflict. But actually I
really admire people of faith because most people of faith,
if it's not misguided, are really doing everything they can.

(29:26):
And because it's my what is practice, we'll trying to
be respectful of all faith. You know. I kind of
feel like I know my path is the right one.
I wish everyone would join me on this, but I
totally respect that everybody has their path, and I think
that's what it comes down, right respect. So it's like
a bit of the whole show was a bit of
a human experiment for me, and I think the experiment

(29:48):
and the lessons that I continually learned was a bit
of like self respect, becoming capable trusting my life, and
trusting that this was part of an important and necessary
part of my life. And I, after all, I chosen
to do it, you know, And I could find myself

(30:09):
at times in these like super challenging physically challenging moments mentally,
physically and emotionally they were all totally different. So, you know,
like wingsuiting just was it's super unnatural to jump half
a plane. And then I think what Luke said to
me was that I'm probably the first person to have

(30:32):
jumped at twenty six jumps, so twenty five jumps. I
got my a license for skydiving, and my twenty sixth
jump was in a wingsuit. But he had me on
this trajection. But he knew from what he was watching,
and you know, we were working every day for you know,
a few not even that long, but he knew that
I was capable to do so the free diving, I

(30:56):
just didn't know if I was going to come back up.
I was like, wait, what what if I because I
had and I think I was emotionally really challenged by
this idea, like respecting my life, you know, treasuring my
life because I think in some ways in my youth,
treasuring my life, valuing my life, understanding the value of life,

(31:19):
and being grateful for it in a very profound way.
Like I think I have, you know, a stadium of
angels or Buddhas or however whoever you want to call them.
But and we're climbing. It was like I'd find myself
in these moments, as I said, I'd be like, I'd
be like, I'm really having a hard time here, and

(31:40):
I would with you know, I'd have I had this
one of my assistants who became a producing partner, was
working with for so long, who knew me so well.
But I would just be like freaking out. She could
see I was freaking out, but I was freaking out,
but about something like while I wearing this T shirt?
What does this T shirt mean? You know what I mean?
It was so so interesting how the mind, it's like

(32:01):
you become you know what I mean instead of just
getting in your you know, I became very I was
like trying to control control the control the environment, control
the things because I felt so out of control, like
this T shirt is not the right teeth or whatever
it might be. You know, it was like for me,
it didn't It could have been anything, but it was
like because I needed to control whatever I had possible,

(32:23):
you know, on me, because I felt so kind of
out of control in some ways so as a human
and I felt like it was a human experiment. I
was like, I was like, how much does it take
for me to crack? You know, how much pressure before
a and what does that look like? In some ways,
So but in a way, like you know, that was

(32:44):
the you know, I kept coming back to Amona cure.
You know, you you what is meant for you is
not going to go away, right, It's not. And this
is but it's also was my first time in an
unscripted world, right yea. You know, I think because of
the nature of my upbringing, dyslexia and education, that was
such a challenge. Although I got it all, did it all?

(33:08):
This is trusting yeah my heart, right, you're trusting your experience, right,
I mean that's what you've done so well. You've like
you're able to communicate from the heart listen, be present
and you know what I mean, and come in with
the with the points that like like oh wow, you're
you're actually absorbing and taking that on and I think
and sharing and putting a message out. But it's sometimes

(33:30):
hard for people, you know, especially I think.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know when you're younger, Yeah, I mean, I think
when I'm listening to you right.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Nowgens are great, my mind is firing good.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I'm glad. We'll get you another. You finished it, though,
and you want another when I'm listening to you right now.
And I really appreciate you going there, because, of course
the extent that is hard, but I love how you
boiled it down to that idea of trying to control
the little you think you can control in the midst
of the fact that you can't control of this. And

(34:01):
it's interesting how that is such a great metaphor for
life somehow, because we're all trying to control everything we
can control and what we can't control, not recognizing that
so much is outside of our control, and that makes
us in life feel helpless, and it can often make
us retreat and hide and disappear. But when you're climbing
a mountain, you can't disappear, like, you can't retreat from that,

(34:26):
right It's almost like you have to sit in that
discomfort and you have to sit with that emotion, which
is actually what real life is demanding of us. But
we find a way to kind of hide it, push
it away, deal with it, and so it's it's the
most physical real way I remember when and this is
why I think you're hopefully the show will you know,

(34:46):
encourage people to do. We all have something that's uncomfortable
for us, whether it's internal or external, and I think
everyone needs a friend who encourages them to do some
extreme sports now and again, my wife needs less encouragement
than I do. As life has gone on, I've become
a bit more reserved. And I had a friend a
couple of years ago who made me do skydiving, who
made me do crazy things with him, and I was

(35:08):
really grateful for that because it made me realize how
many blocks I had up here that I was unaware of.
I thought I'd conquered so many blocks, but there are
still so many, so much lack of trust and so
much lack of that feeling of oh, actually, I can
sit in discomfort. I was almost trying to get away

(35:28):
from discomfort because at one point in my life I
had put myself through so much of it and now
just wanted to be in a comfortable space.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Which is fair fair.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
But one thing you say in the docuseries kind of
in the beginning was this idea of you say, being
on the edge makes me feel most alive. But then
at the same time, I see you as someone who
really values the little things day to day, and obviously
with your Buddhist practice is mindful and present. How do
you reconcile the two, because you know, if you're feeling

(35:57):
all this adrenaline and this extreme sport and that makes
you feel a lo but then how do you also
feel alive in the tiny moments and maybe being with
your kids or yeah, yeah, yeah, being with Blue as
we just your beautiful dog that just with.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
That thank you, Yeah, I think, you know, it's such
good questions. I think to let two things, and I
want to come back to that question. But I think
in a way like what are the parts of the show?
Is like, what did it take for me to be
remarkably present? Look, I'm one of the most privileged people.
I consider myself the experiences that I've had in the

(36:30):
world in life. I feel just so grateful all the time.
I wake up feeling grateful, and you know, I feel
you know, that partly that's my practice to give them
me the opportunity. But for some people it's like, look,
just getting up from the couch and go into the kitchen,
what does it take for them to do that? I

(36:50):
know through COVID, which was the idea, was that what
does it take for that person just to go to
the park, just step outside, take your shoes off, socks off,
stand in the grass and look at the trees and
just that maybe all it takes, but it may be
so challenging for one person. For that person, So like, yes,
for me, you know, when I was kind of raw
docking it with my all my kind of add and

(37:12):
just things happening, I was just like in it. I
say that because when I say raw doy, I mean
I was just like I've subsequently found like a really
amazing like peptide, which is fantastic. That's helped me really
kind of connect my thoughts at times because sometimes it's
really disjointed. But in a way I love that about
my thinking because it kind of is sporadic. But for
some people, as I said, the hope for the show

(37:34):
for me was like it took me okay for me,
who you know, arguably throughout my life has really you know,
loved the thrill. Like if I'm going really fast, either
on a motorcycle or in a car or whatever, it
maybe I feel like I'm more focused, Like I'm more

(37:56):
likely to have an accident at thirty miles an hour
than sixty miles an hour, you know, because I'm just
there's a I switched into some other mode. And it's
kind of true for everything I've done in my life,
Like if it's really up against me, then I'm gonna
I'm gonna step up in a whole other way. Like
for example, all the Rings, where I was like my

(38:17):
first movie really and I'm with Ian McKellen and Ian
Holm and Christopher Lee and Viego Mortenson and even Elijah
who I'd seen the movies, and you know, like these
amazing actors, all of whom had so much experience, and
it was an amazing gift, but it was also like, okay,
step up, you know, and the blessing of that. So

(38:41):
I think you kind of take that high of these
insane things that you're doing, but it's all really like
relevant to the Like sometimes I can wake up in
the morning and I just can't figure out even with
way to go. You know, I'm like I can feel

(39:02):
like I'm like, wait what, I'm so grateful, but wait
what am I My brain is like it's like trying
to bring it online, and it can and it can
be really overwhelming in terms of you know, so it's
like back to chance, back to breath, back to presence,

(39:22):
back to stillness, back to gratitude, back to like I
had this. I think I think I had this kind
of really remarkable plant journey, medicine journey, and you know,
I set an intention around the feminine because we touched

(39:45):
on my mother briefly and I was like, you know,
my mother gave me this, which is wonderful, and loved
me ouheartedly and was in boarding school at the age
of four, so it was like she's didn't really have
a full you know of what nurture and things was,
but she was so love is and remains so loving

(40:06):
and a great opportunity for me to continue to grow
and evolve. But I set an intention before. I was like,
because I wanted to ask Katie to Marny and I
was like, I just need to kind of check in
and I'd never done, you know, this particular medicine and
I was like, I want to just so I flew
somewhere to meet this and I'd set this intention around

(40:27):
the feminine right, and I was like and basically the
three points that came out, I was like, am I clean?
Am I good? Here? Can I do move forward with this?
Because it's important to me to know that I'm clear right,
And so it's with aya right. So you get this

(40:47):
feeling of and somebody had explained to me that you
had this amazing feminine energy coming at you. And I
think you're supposed to do three carps and I took five. Well,
I wanted to have this, this this I was just waiting.
I was there and I didn't I was just on
a couch with this amazing room of musicians and this

(41:10):
wonderful guide and he just looked at me at six
in the morning and he was he had been journeying
with me, and he was like, you want more? And
I was like one more? And then I had this
like sensation of lightness and this I think basically it's
like our minds, right, You're like you're exploring aspects of

(41:32):
your mind that the neuropathways that you just haven't like
looked at right, you understand that it's the map of
your mind. Right, that's kind of and you've disconnected your
ego enough to be humble enough to take on and
I and this message was, well, first of all, just
be grateful. Look at your life, right. Second of all,

(41:55):
you don't have an issue with women, you know, look
at your life. Wonderful women in your life. And even
if even if there are aspects of women in your
life that you have, it's all been part of your evolution.
But maybe the feminine in you, it was like she
was you know, there was this there was just it
was like, so maybe you could nurture a bit more
of the feminine in you. And I was like, okay,

(42:18):
but it was like nurture I guess the creative artistics
side that just like pondering and poetical and things that
I hadn't And then but the last one that I
remember that was so it was like whenever you're with
somebody and maybe the last time you see them again,
you just don't know, So make it great. What have
you got to lose? You may never see this person again.

(42:40):
We don't know. Life is like, you don't know, So
just make it great. Because I at a young age,
I'd had a real challenge. I'd have people come at
me consistently, right, and I'd be like, and I'd be
in whatever mental state or moment that I was in,
and sometimes I'm just like, you know, I mean, you know,
and and all they want is this moment, and it's

(43:02):
so easy for me to just go, hey, yeah, I
don't sure, yeah, here, no problem, and then carry on.
But sometimes it was just like, you know, I could
it felt like almost acid because I was just it
didn't what it represented at a different time in my
life was a restriction, right, and I wanted to feel free.
But I think that moment of that thing for me

(43:23):
was like you may never see this person again. I
don't know. Life is not built like that, So just
make it great. It's not hard, right, or at least
leave it with that, you know. So I think that
was the did I answer the question?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean so much. You gave me
so much more to unback there. I love it. I
mean on that point, I do think if we lived
in a world where you genuinely believed that any moment
with anyone could be your last. Yeah, the way you'd
speak to them and the way you'd look at them,
the way you listen to them, just transform. And I'm

(44:04):
sure you have friends. I have friends who've lost parents, partners, people,
and they all regret their last conversation with them because
it was conflict or it was an argument, or it
was a debate that they.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Didn't need to any conflict.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, and they and they didn't know that that was
going to be the last time. And I've spoken to
friends who've held that for so much longer because it
becomes such a hard release to know that you could
have should have, would have said something, to have done
it differently, might have done it differently, but going back
to what was revealed to you, and and even that,
I mean, I look at relationships as such a area

(44:46):
where so many of our fears are brought to the surface.
I found this with my own wife, Like we've been
together for eleven years and married for eight, and it's this,
It's it's being comfortable or with the idea that she
is also the deepest mirror I'll ever have, because no

(45:06):
one in the world sees all of my flaws, all
of my mistakes, all the moments when I'm not perfect.
You know, I always joke about how like my wife
knows whether I meditated this morning or not, Like no
one else does, but my wife knows, and my wife
knows whether it was quality or whether it's distracted. My
wife knows. You know, my wife knows whether I left
my socks on the floor, you know, whatever, just whether

(45:28):
it's silly or deep, it's it's she is in a position.
And when your partner doesn't abuse that authority and doesn't
use it as a form of control, but actually reflects
that some care and compassion, it can be a really
it's almost like you can't grow without it. Have you?
What have you? What scared you about relationships? And what? Like?

(45:51):
You said you had no problem with women, that wasn't
a thing. But what was revealed to you in your relationship?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
What's been revealed to you in your life? And is
a better question.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I think I'm constantly learning to let go because anything
that I tried to hold on to, whether it's good
or bad, doesn't serve me, not in the relationship, and

(46:22):
it doesn't really serve either of us. And that's really
hard to keep letting go and to keep letting her go,
you know, the idea of because I think when you're
in a deeply loving, committed relationship. You want to you
want to control or own or have or and you know,

(46:46):
even just letting go of ideas of how things should
be or the idea of what intimacy or intimate moments
are to you versus them, or how you know, whatever
it may be, because everybody, because you've chosen that person,
you're on a journey with that person. You know you're
going to learn this lesson. And if you've chosen that person,

(47:09):
then that's the person you're going to learn that lesson with,
you know, I mean that's the opportunity, right.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
That's rue. Yeah, that really resonates. I feel like that's
why we'd rather let go of the person and have
a new six month period with someone new, because you
don't have to let go in that six months, Like
that six months is almost full of holding on and
every idea and every hope and possibility remains intact, like

(47:41):
you don't have to dismantle it or question it or
break it down. But you are so right that the
amount of misconceptions I've had to let go of as
we spend more time together.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And I think it's going to change every day, right, absolutely,
It's like every day you choose, I choose you because
also you know you're life is changing. Right seven years
from nowsh wecome completely different human. You have no idea, right,
you know you can. I mean you you clearly have
been around each other and you do probably know have

(48:12):
a sense, but we don't know. You don't the same
thing as like I may never see that person again
every day it may you may never see that version
of that person again, or you know, whatever it may be.
But like, yeah, we're just you know, we have we
I'm forced I seize the opportunity every day to grow.

(48:35):
And as you see from the show, I'll never choose
the past, the easy path, you know, like it's just
not who I am. And you know, in some ways
my relationship is the greatest opportunity for my continual growth.
And you know, and I know we both see it
that way. So that's how we grow and we do

(48:57):
and she will not you know, she'll hold me accountable
and I'll do the same. And sometimes you know, you'll
be confronted by your own self, you know, And I
think you know, trust right, trusting your path, your journey,
your faith that this is what's meant for you and

(49:20):
then you know, the universe will take care of the rest.
And making mistakes and going okay, I did that, was yeah,
I did that. Sorry, I I sort of am like,
there's no yeah, I think I think I've you know,
seen how learning more like the mistake. I think, like

(49:41):
I think very early on in life. Actually, really I
didn't enjoy making mistakes. Does anybody I don't know. Maybe
some people really do, but I didn't. It wasn't comfortable with.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Hard to find someone who.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
And yet anyone, any sage you're worthy will tell you
it's not. It's only through mistakes that you right. So
it's like going, okay, you know, like that's where the
where the that's where the rich stuff is, that's where
you're gonna. So I just try to keep growing and
you know, accepting and you know.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, how does it feel to introduce your Buddhist practices
and teachings to the kids, Like how does that work?
I'm fascinated by?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Well, yeah, I really I just I say name to
Daisy and she said she's sometimes on the other side
of the world on a movie should be like I
say Nami. Then I think and Flynn chanted, you know,
from that I did the same with him, and I

(50:45):
don't like so Flynn's mother has a beautiful faith in life,
I think, and I really respect it. And I don't
challenge any of the things his views that he's obviously
imbued through his mother, and you know, I I we
we love to go and walks. I love to go
and walks with my son, and and we talk a lot.

(51:06):
I try to, you know, and at different stages. Look,
he's thirteen now, so it's almost like Dad is getting
pushed aside. And I kind of know what that feels like.
I was the same, you know, So I'm not I
try not to take it personal. And I miss him,
and I'm like, I just text him. I love him
and I miss him. But we have these wonderful walks
and talks, and I kind of just throughout whatever we're saying,
I try to keep reinforcing just the the undercurrent philosophy

(51:30):
and thinking of my practice and which is just you know,
are you are you respecting? Are you? Are you you
know if there is that kid in class who's not
you know, are you are you supporting that kid that's
not getting the support, because that's where you'll find a richness,
right because I kind of like, I know that's in

(51:50):
his heart as well. I see it. And funny he
said to me, Dad, you know, I'm really good at
just bluffing. And I think, like, but this is him
at thirteen, you know, flexing a bit in this way
of trying to like trying to kick And he was like, yeah,
but Dad, I just knew that would that would be
the thing that people would have preved. Like, good, well,
just keep working that then, because even if you're thinking

(52:10):
we'll try and make you say you're going to do,
just keep working that, even if it's even if you
think it's like you're putting on a show, fake it
till you make it. You know, if you just keep
doing that, just keep trying to do the right thing,
and eventually you'll start to realize what the right thing is.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
But I love to walk and talk with him, and
I I just don't overwhelm him with it because in
my faith, I believe by saying, nam your cure, say to.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Me nam namr who mir ho renge renge cure cure,
nammoho renge cure nam cure.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
So by saying this once you never have to say
it again, you protected seven generations in your past, seven
generations in your future.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Thank you for that gift.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
That's so I believe that, deeply believed. Sometimes I will
set walk up to somebody and say just say noam
your name, get youll just once and I'll tell them
that and then I'll walk away whatever, and it'd be
like I believe that. It's like finding a needling there.
I either hate that and if you so, you never
have to do it again. You've done it seven generations time.

(53:16):
And if you ever good and if you ever and
if it was something that resonated with you at the
time or moment, then great. You know, I encourage people
to do that. It's not you know, I'm like, this
is how you do it, just it's not. It's not
a meditational process, right, like a meditation I do as well.
I have a meditation TM practice. But for me, it's
like yoga for the mind. You know. It's like when

(53:38):
I'm really stressed out or like you know that too
much coffee?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Do you get it seems so? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I'm nah. I'm sitting here opposite Jay Shaddy. Do you
want me to show you the other side of never?
I mean, like you can see you'll see the climbing episode.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
You'll see that.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
The party mouth and the I'm like, no, I'm like,
I redline. I'm like I really like mostly I'm like
I can really you know, I can be in the
red like and that's something that I just try to navigate.
But I like that. I embrace it. I accept it absolutely.
Do you know what I mean? It's like I can
be on in that space, just like it's like the

(54:15):
difference between driving at thirty or sixty. It's like, obviously
I would, you know, God forbid you want to observe
the speed limit because there are children and things. But like,
I know what you know, So sometimes I can be
really intense. How have you emotionally?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
How have you accepted the parts of yourself that most
of us judge, criticize, or feel uncomfortable, granted that they're
not affecting other people.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
As from chancing one, I think because of that practice,
I'm constantly looking at that. But I think I think
it's time, honestly, and I think it's experience because the
experiences have taught me like that. You know, shame is

(55:02):
not my friend. Guilt. Shame if you spend any if
you if you overly if you spend too much time
in that negative thought pattern. You know, we're light energy,
we like little planets, right, but if you broke our
bodies down. I was having this conversation with somebody who's
giving me a message. She's just this amazing woman, and
she was like, but we like little we're like little galaxy.

(55:23):
If you actually dissolved us, the trillions and billions of
you know, you know, cells and everything, it's like a
little it's like a little galaxy. So we're all little
galaxies going around the planet right in a way. So
all of that energy, which as you know and talked
about and many bodies, it's like it's whatever you're saying,
you become right. As we all know, these all these

(55:45):
old adages are so true. So it's not like but
so yeah, it's I think for me, it's like the
shame game doesn't work. I don't want to I don't
want to receive it from anyone. I mean, I did this.
I had this amazing experience and I went six years ago,
maybe seven years ago, now seven years ago, more than
seven years ago, nearly eight years ago. I went to
the Hoffmann Institute, which is just wonderful, and it was

(56:08):
I'd had a really I've been seeing Kay for a
year and I've broken up and then we'd sort of, no,
we hadn't actually we've broken up yet. I've been seeing
her for for a little while, and then we had
broken up and we got back together, you know, the
young love weirdness of trying to find things. But I
had been triggered into this really unique pattern of behavior

(56:30):
that I felt i'd inherited from my mom, right, this
thing of like seeing I'm here, you know, with my mom,
Mama over here, you know, I think you know what
I mean, and trying to get the attention right. And
I was like, oh, one of the worst years internally
I can ever remember, because I felt like I was
playing a part instead of being a part. And it

(56:53):
was just because I had so many feelings and I
was so and I was in water that it was
just uncharted. So a dear friend of mine, Buddhist, had
an actor friend from New York, had had suggested that
I do this two years ago and I hadn't picked
up on it. James has seen this amazing actor, human,

(57:13):
just wonderful person, and I was like, I sort of
remembered when I we'd had this breakup, and I'd remembered
I'd taken my passport, left everything else and walked into
New York because we'd been in New York. And then
I was like, got on a plane home. But before
I got on a plane home, I went to his
house because it was like five in the morning when
we've had this rip roaring ard again, and I was like,

(57:36):
took my passport and walked out of the door, and
I was like, and he talked about it, and so
I did this course and I left with these three
thinking and it was it was a wonderful week where
you don't have your phone, you don't have the email
you have, so you have no connection to the outside
world really and you don't and people, you know, obviously
I was me, but I had this nobody's there for that,

(57:58):
so it's really people are on there own. They're all
in their own form of need. So I was wearing
like a name tag that was my childhood name or whatever.
And then I did seven days of like I guess,
kind of like a group therapy, and I felt like
three years of therapy in seven days in a way,
and they take you're on this beautiful journey through these
seven days where you have like a Thanksgiving dinner or

(58:21):
a Christmas dinner, a birthday and a whole thing from
It's like, it's beautiful the way it's constructed. And I
came out with this thinking and I talked to James
at the time about this as well of feeling safe,
seen and celebrated, I want to feel safe, so in
terms of my relationship, so with self first, right, So

(58:42):
if I look in the mirror, I feel safe? Do
I feel safe with you today? Do I feel seen
by you? Am I kind of observing myself? And do
I feel celebrated?

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
But really it's for the people in my life, like
do I feel safe with this person? Do I feel
seen by this person? And am I feeling celebrated? And
can I do that for them? Obviously? Right, it's a
it's a it's a mirror. So if I'm feeling that way,
then you're good. It's a green light. And if I'm not,
then I'm going to just step back, take pause until

(59:13):
I can feel that way. And if I can't feel
that way, then maybe life in the universe will take
us on different trajectories. But whilst I feel that way,
So safety and celebrated was something that really made me
kind of go. I came back into my life and
into my relationship after this, and then I said we separated.

(59:40):
It was interesting and I was like, that's tough. Okay,
this is what's meant. You know, this is some years
ago now, but this this stickiness that we had this
connection and she was never really not a part of
my the walls, and she would reach out in weird

(01:00:04):
ways like Instagram or whatever, and I'd be like processing,
and I was like, and then I made a sort
of decision because I had this safe, scene, celebrated thing,
not to see her and as she would and then
she's she actually did this this Hoffman as well and
had an amazing experience herself, and so we just kind

(01:00:25):
of I think it was like it created a foundation.
So we're constantly sort of bouncing off this thing. And
sometimes the foundation is really rocky, of course, and sometimes
I don't know, is this are we is the universe?
Are we still going? I get? I gave her this
picture of a tree, you know, and I was like,
and it was it was this beautiful. I bought it
in India, I think, but it was this this these
two trees growing as one. I was like, this is

(01:00:47):
this is what it should be as long as we
can trance. The branches can go all over the place,
but the roots and the and the and the base
of the tree is the trunk is growing together. You know.
It's the it's the pillars of the temple, right, need
them to stand strong together so that you can hold
the that you know, hold that. But I yeah, it's
it's been a yeah, that's great criteria.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I like that safe scene and celebrated. Yeah, it's like
a beautiful way of checking and connecting wavelength. Yes, the
visual you just painted right now of the two trees
feels perfect. Like that visual just resonated so strongly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Sometimes people are not not for that as well. Though,
sometimes they're not ready for that. She like I it
can be really overwhelming. It can be really overwhelming. All
of your good intention, right, all of your desire for
the greatest outcome can be super intimidating and overwhelming, depending
on whether your wife is ready in that day, in
that moment, and as we as we know from you know,

(01:01:47):
the remarkable you know, I think I had this. I
thought I was like when I had Daisy by daughter,
I was like I mean, I feel like every man
should have a daughter before they get married in a way,
because it's like you see every emotion under the sun
in the split second, and it's like and you have
nothing but love because you're there. There's no judgment, there's
just like I'm just like marveling at her explosion of

(01:02:11):
emotion and she'll be like, no, daddy, no dad, Mummy,
I want And I'm like, if i'd been in, you know,
a partner, a reflection of a partner doing that could
have really messed me up at different times. And I'm like,
we what see me? Look, look look at me, Look
at me. I'm over here, mummy, I'm over here. You know,
whatever it may be, you know, our patterns from childhood,

(01:02:33):
whatever that may be. And I like and I'm like,
and it's in a way, it's like, you know, so
I can have those, you know, with a powerful human
you know that that I've chosen in some ways, every
day it's like gott to keep leveling up and trying

(01:02:56):
and making mistakes and going okay, no, that didn't work.
All I'm going to do this and that's no, don't
do that. You might you know, but you know, sometimes
It's very interesting, isn't it. I think the masculine in
in in relation to the feminine, you know, m hm,
like my mind map again, you know, like I'd set

(01:03:17):
an intention around the thing and I was like, oh no,
it's not women. It's like the feminine within you. It's like,
but in this world that we live in, it's like
trying to find the the the right level because it's
not like obvious, you know, it's not there's no it's
you know, I think people are always you know, how

(01:03:38):
do you how do you have the right balance. It's
like it's like it's like sometimes you're just really you know,
mass overly overly, you know, edgy, and sometimes you just
like you can be that you can hold that big
space because you because in your mind you're capable. But

(01:03:58):
you know, I think it's just choosing, right, just keep choosing.
You choose life, and you choose to you choose to
go on a journey, and you choose to keep it real,
and you choose to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
For me at least, yeah, I feel what you said
about like for me, my sister is like four and
a half years younger than me or something, and I
feel like I remember holding her when she was born.
My last year, I got to walk her down the
isle at her wedding like and it was I've always
my nickname for my sister's kid because I've treated it
like my daughter since she was born, and she's always

(01:04:28):
felt that way to me. And you're so right, Like
my wife will always say to me, Gosh, when you're
around your sister, just you know, completely different, and it's
it's that fatherly brother.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Does she like that my sister know your your wife? Does?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
She does? She finds it adorable, She finds it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Lean into that more. Is that not not really not
so much, it's just like no, like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
She finds that adorable. But she sees what capacity I
had and what you're saying that being that bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, when you have it for that love and you're
so right that when you've been able to experience that,
it's so much easier to understand. I always feel like
I was raised by my mum and tried to raise
my sister the best as I could, and it was
almost like that's made me a better husband than I
would have been because I had a different experience with
women that I wouldn't have had if I didn't have

(01:05:18):
a younger sister and I had a younger brother, or
whatever it may be, And so that resonates very strongly.
But also this idea of I've seen myself act with
my wife, with the people I love in a way
that I don't like at all, and I've seen myself
act in the best way possible. And I'll oscillate between
the two depending on where I'm at on any given day.

(01:05:40):
And it's what you said earlier that it takes two
people to be able to let go, takes two people
to be able to forgive. It takes two people to
be able to not over amplify or underreact or overreact.
And you're constantly playing in that space if you want
a loyal, committed, long term relationship which has very different

(01:06:01):
positives than a short, easy, quick moment, and we'd fix yeah, yeah,
And it's almost like it's what you said, it's choosing
what you want.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Once you decide your We have that idea in my practice.
Once it's like in Sense discusses, you know, once you decide,
your whole world will move in that direction. Once you decide,
you know what I mean, everything is set up for
the universe to support that decision, but you must decide
whatever it may be. And then if the wheels fall
off along the way, you know, you realize that you've

(01:06:33):
decided and there are mistakes, but then you set about fixing.
And I you know, I wrote this like a mission
statement when I when I first met her, because I
wanted to. I wanted to try to articulate all these
crazy feelings that I was having at the time, which
was like a reveal that I hadn't had in a

(01:06:54):
long time in somehow. And one of the things that
I said in this like p this this, this this
letter I wrote her was you know, I want us
to We're going to bring our little kids out, you know,
are inner child We're gonna bring out, and I'll dook
it out with you as much as you like, so
long as we just promised to keep getting up, you know,

(01:07:16):
because it's like if we don't get up, I need
to know that, like you'll do it out, I'll do
it out, but that we'll get up, you know, and
keep you know, because that's because it doesn't matter about
you've got, You're going to go down. People are going
to make mistakes, things are going to happen. Life is
set for that. You know, it's not you know, it's

(01:07:37):
not meant to be. The opportunities, as we said at
the beginning, for growth, don't come through an easy path.
They can't. They're not when the other thing's going great.
It's when the ships hit the fan, right, And that's when,
you know. So I kind of feel like I'm constantly like,
when's the next one? Yeah, next, next, lesson, when's the
next one coming? But you know, how much how much
you know? How much humility do I need to learn today?

(01:08:01):
You know? Or what do I need to do? And
what choices have I made that have led to this?
And how am I going to own that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
The difference? What's the difference? We do that? Because I
resonated with that. I always say to people that when
things are going bad, work hard, and when things are
going good, work harder. Right, You're always pushing yourself to learn, grow,
evolve more when actually things are good, because a lot
of us we do the opposite. When things are good,
we get complacent, we get lost. What is the difference

(01:08:30):
for you between that mindset getting exhausting versus energizing? Because
I think a lot of people would say, gosh, if
I'm always having to figure out what to learn and
what message and from the universe and my partner. That's exhausting. Yeah,
but it seems like you're energized by that, which is
what you see in the show, Like you're energized by
the idea that there's more to learn. What's what's the difference?

(01:08:52):
What have you found? How are you able to sustain
that level of wanting to evolve and grow?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I think I think that I just came in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
That's just how you're built.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I think I came in that way. I think we
all come in different Right. When I reflect on all
of the opportunities for growth in my life, they all
reinforce this idea that this is what I need to
learn at this time. Right in retrospect, when you're younger

(01:09:29):
and in that moment of crisis, whatever that may be,
And listen, I didn't have a mobile phones that I
was twenty, right, But there is a window of time
in my life which is almost like a void because
of the immense pressure and experience that life was throwing
at me at such a rapid pace that I literally

(01:09:51):
can like there are blacks almost feel like right like
I can't even like my friend brest friends will go.
But remember when we went to Japan on that press,
I was like we went to Japan together, Like yeah,
I'm like, okay, so you know, but yeah, I think
that's it. I think. I think I think saying at

(01:10:12):
a young age with chant with a practice like mine
helped me as well to recognize because constantly reinforcing this
idea of opportunities through obstacles or opportunities, and even when
you're in it and it's nightmare, Oh these exams, this
thing this you know, this boyfriend or this girlfriend or
this situation. This, Like I think it's always simplify as well,

(01:10:33):
steady like life, you know is you know, at least
my experience is like I love the high octane, right,
and I've been at the at that depth. I love
the depth as well. But when I'm steady, when I'm
just when I just like come back to the simple, right,
simplify because sometimes you just need a walk, you know

(01:10:55):
what I mean, You just need to go outdoors. Sometimes
you just need to look at the sky, take a
deep breath. Sometimes it's just and it's a few little
touchstones that you can create for yourself, you know, so
that you have tools, right, create your own toolbox. And
I think that's what I got from just so many
different things, whether it's Hoffmann or a plant journey, Yeah,

(01:11:19):
so many, or an encounter with somebody important, or my
relationship to Disacovacade and my mentor or And I think
it's also we're wired. We're all wired differently, so like
you know, but if you keep leaning into that area
of and not being afraid to lean into the discomfort
of life, then that's what the show is giving you.

(01:11:39):
You know, you're leaning into the discomfort, you get the benefit, right.
And you know, again that might just be getting up
from your couch, turning off the TV, or not scrolling
on your phone or putting you know, just deleting that
app for like twenty four hours, so that you're just
not being ruled by something outside of yourself. I think
in this new aid we've been in the age of

(01:12:02):
the Internet. I think at this new age of AI,
which we're all there's so much anxiety and sort of
you know, you know, nervousness around And I saw, you know,
Sam Altman speak about some of this stuff, and I
thought it's so interesting. But I think my takeaway from
what he had said, and what I think is true
for my life and what I can since is discipline,

(01:12:25):
self discipline, because it's a choice to pick up your phone.
It's a choice to get lost in your phone. It's
a choice to keep scrolling. Or you could choose to
put it down and step outside and simplify, do that meditation,
do that yoga class. You could It's all choices, right.
But I think the people that I think that if

(01:12:48):
as and when you know, we see this new chapter
of life, it's going to be totally different. My son,
your your children, when you come into the world, they're
not going to know a world without super intelligence. They're
just not going to know that. Like my son doesn't
know a well without the Internet. How has that impacted
his life?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I do, Yeah, so do I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
But they're not going to have a No, they're not
going to know a world without super intelligence. And it's
going to bring remarkable benefit to our lives, no doubt.
I'm sure health, healing, you know, access life. But it's
like those old adages like Devil's hands, you know, I
idle hands and the Devil's playground. So I keep thinking, like,

(01:13:28):
what's going to be my what's the discipline. I'm going
to create the routines and disciplines to create and keep
working at so that I don't slip off into that.
Because I do it, I can find myself just going
And I kind of love my algorithm by the way,
like it will send me all of your things and
other people's, you know, and like messaging around. It's definitely

(01:13:51):
listening to me messaging around. Oh, this relationship person is
talking about fantastic things, you know, and I'm like, oh,
that would be great for the world to see or whatever,
you know, whatever it may be, So like, don't there's
not it's not all bad, but it is. I think
the discipline, the self mastery of discipline, right, self discipline
and self mastery to know the one is the one

(01:14:13):
that will protect. Because if you're like, what do they
call them in games where it's like non player NPC,
is it right? We can all become those. We can
all just switch off and turn on our auto pilot
and just be like because you don't want to because
it's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. You're overwhelmed by the consistent. I mean,

(01:14:35):
you know, if you keep looking at the news, you're
just going to be overwhelmed. It's wild, It's wild. I
have so many friends who are like on both sides
of you know, conflicts, you know, whether you know, and
just it's just you just go. You can just be overwhelmed,
you can just that is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Where we're at. I think we're overwhelmed, we're over consuming,
where we're overexposed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
We see and hear and understand, we get and there
is so much more information than than than than we need,
and then we continue to get more and then what's true,
what's not true?

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
It's a lot. And that's why it's a lot. And
that's why if anyone's not feeling disciplined or is struggling,
there's a lot of compassion.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
You show me a human, I'll show you anyone right,
you know even and that's true of relationships, right. I
think one of the things like learning Gabby Hamilton were
a big part of my life at a period in
my life a few years ago that were where I
was separated from my partner flyn'smum and I was living
kind of on my own in Malibu, and and there

(01:15:44):
was such a really beautiful couple the way they I
learned so much from seeing how they interacted and I
always appreciate that I took that away with me. But
I think it's like I kind of respect couples more
than anything else now today somehow as well when we
talk about relationshi, because it's the people that have kind
of gone, they're continuing to choose and not to upgrade

(01:16:06):
or think they're upgrading or that the grass is greener
because we can all do that, of course, and maybe
we will. And there's no judgment there either too, by
the way, no judgment on any of it. But personally
I kind of go, oh wow, you know, I admire
that because it doesn't It's not easy, man, you know,
because as people, as we age and change, and second,
we're all being told that like you can get this

(01:16:27):
new handbag that will go with this new car, or
you can get this new watch and this new thing,
and you're just going to keep. And I love a
shiny object. So do I love a shiny object? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
How have you managed to maintain your But it's practice
and philosophy in Hollywood, because I imagine that do that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
But as philosophy and products has maintained that has been
my anchor. It's not I haven't maintained it it's been
my it's helped, it's maintained me, it's helped me. It's
I really feel like it's my super cake.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
You can tell my cap.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
It's obvious it's my like it's my superpower, you know,
and it's it's available to anyone. But I got it
at a young age, and I'm like it it's my wings,
it's my it's my shield, it's my it's my wisdom,
it's my courage, it's my compassion if I just use it.
And sometimes I won't. H there are days I won't
chant and I'm like, I mean, look, I'm years and

(01:17:19):
years into this, so it's it's just I feel that
it's never gone far from me. But but I know
when I'm not, I'm like, wait, what's going on? Often
it's been when I've been in a relationship. Often I've
been in a relationship and I don't and I was like, wait,
what why Why is that? Why am I not when

(01:17:40):
I'm because what's being so? Yeah, but it's been, it
was that was it was my Yeah, it was literally
my I can feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
It's it's very obvious, it's very evident from the show
and today it's very real in your in your veins.
What's something you feel you're being called right now? What's
the fear you're being called to overcome right now or
the lesson that you're being questioned? I sat with this
question last year and it was really really interesting for
me and my own meditation. It was revealed to me

(01:18:09):
that if I really want to serve and have the
impact that I want to have, that I'll have to
be okay with dealing with more stress, pain, external.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Kind of energy coming at you. Energy. Yes, I love
you can have you can big plants, a bigger canvas,
but it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
All required that that's and that was a very interesting
almost request or question that I was hearing from the
universe or from God or from my own spiritual practice
of this is what's required of you? Are you ready
for you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Are you okay? What?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
What have you heard that or felt that you were
being What fear are you being asked to overcome? Or
what lesson are you being asked to learn right now?
Because you've conquered so many fears and the show and
gone to the edge. What's what's an edge that is
being requested of you?

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
I think that our deepest spheres are often they often
lie in areas unknown to us subconscious, even in our subconscious.
Some of the deepest fheares I have are like related

(01:19:27):
to a historical pattern of behavioral thinking, which I don't
know that I was even conscious of. You know, like
I've inherited and possibly from in my mind because of
my practice and faith generationally lifetimes previous lifetimes of thinking,

(01:19:52):
because that's how I kind of live my life, like
for the next life. I'm like, that's how I'm looking
at it now. I'm like, I'm living for the next one,
you know, like the Egyptians with the temples, it's like
they were doing that because it was like and I
kind of like, if I can live like that. But
I think that when I allow myself, it feels connected
to I think self worth, which I think is something

(01:20:16):
that like we all kind of like, you know, like
is Jay ready for that bigger canvas? Is he ready
to put that message out into the world? Does he
deserve that? Has he done enough for that? Am I
worthy of that? Right? Have I? Have I done the work?
Am I doing that? Am I in the flow enough?

(01:20:37):
Am I? And also like because it's not it's cyclical, right,
Sometimes you're just not in the front. I had seven
years of just being what felt like some of that
like swimming up river just and because I was just
I'm going to throw up this river now for some reason,
you know. And that was partly that time when I

(01:20:58):
was separated and living in Montment and like training with
lead and stuff, and I really kind of put my
body and my mind through a lot of different before
I did the shut even before I did to the edge.
So I think I think it really for me, it's
like that we're enough, right. I think somebody said it

(01:21:21):
on your wall there, that you're enough. But it's like,
I think we all struggle sometimes to really deeply believe
that we are enough, that we're value, that we're valuable.
You know, we're imprinted by our parents from the age
of zero to seven, right, But that's not even taking
into account the time that you know you're in your
mother's So there's a whole heap of information that is

(01:21:47):
just like is it yours or is it somebody else's.
I'm constantly trying to go, like, how do I detach
from my this idea of what is that my that
is that my baggage looked like my baggage. I mean
I know, okay, that's mine, all right, I take that,

(01:22:08):
that's unpack that, but all that other stuff, you know,
And I've I think Hoffman taught me a lot in
that space. But I think i've interestingly like it's a
fear of like being alone? Are you good to be alone?
I think that was the biggest for me in a

(01:22:29):
long time. Am I good to just be on my own?
And I'm constantly working now? Math am I good enough
on my own? Because am I good in my own company?
Do I feel good with me just to be with
just me today or for this next hour? Because I

(01:22:52):
spent a lot of time in my youth with people
who I you know, really love and admire and adore
and cantinue to, but in a way it wasn't serving me.
I was like, it was you know, we talk about
energy and drains and things. You know, there were there
were there were relationships in my life that I didn't
even really realize that the impact that they were having.

(01:23:13):
And then when I did, I was like, oh wait
a second, this needs reframing. And until I'm ready to reframe,
I'm going to just take pause to feel safe soon
and celebrated. But I think that I think my so
in amongst all of that, I think it was probably
being alone and being good with being alone and recognizing

(01:23:35):
because we're going to be born and we're going to
die alone. So it's like, how how how good are
you with being alone?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Beautiful?

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
I think, and that you're enough, right, you don't need
all the other things because I love a shiny object,
I you know whatever, like although this isn't shiny, but
it's the one from New Zealand, but you know I do.
I'm like, I've got a far couple. Do I need them?

(01:24:03):
Like the way it feels? But you know, do we
need to keep consuming all this stuff when the planet
is got a ticking clock? It's interesting, It's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
I find that we're all paradoxes, and we're almost giving
ourselves permission to be a paradox until all of it's purified.
And it's almost the permission is what allows you the
ability to purify. Whereas if you're living in the conflict
of I'm only one thing, you don't get the opportunity
to dissolve the part that you may not be comfortable

(01:24:39):
with because you haven't accepted it. But no, that answer
is beautiful being alone and being comfortable in your own
skin and being enough, and that is the lifelong journey.
I feel like that's you know, that is it and
well and I feel like I could talk to you
for hours and I hope we do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
I want to end with the we end every episode
on which is called the final five of On Purpose.
These are pretty much the same five questions that everyone
gets answered, and every question has to be answered in
one word to one sentence maximum.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
These are your final five and you can take your time.
Door four questions, Orlando, These are your final five. The
first question is what is the best advice you've ever
heard or received?

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Mm hmm. My mother used to say, have respect from
the doorman to the director, and I think respect all
life anyone you meet, because we're all on that journey

(01:25:47):
and the person that's opening the door for you could
be running the country. You just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
It's a great answer. Question number two, what's the worst
advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
The worst? I mean the worst advice. That's a really
tricky one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
You can skip it if your mind's blocked out. That's
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
I yeah, it's hard for me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
To.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Hard for me to the worst advice?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, No, that's good. Don't be sorry. That's
totally great. I mean, if you blocked it all out,
that's awesome because I like to make a log of
bad advice everyone's received, because I feel like there's so
much bad advice that goes around.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
I mean, I like, yeah, I'm not No, you blocked out.
That's cool. Yeah, I like if it doesn't, if it's
not a half for.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Me, yeah, leave it leave That's what I'm saying. I
don't skip the question. I don't need to apologize. Question
number three, what's the first thought you have in the
morning and the last one you haven't made?

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
So we wake up in a family bed and Katie
usually says, thank you God for today. I'm grateful in
every way, especially for and Daisy will go and we'll
all go Daddy, Mummy, Flenny, you know, we'll all do that.
That's beautiful and that's and I'll then say your yeah,

(01:27:20):
I think grat you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
And at night, yeah, it's the same. It's the same
because it's like we woke up, you know, and I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Question number four, what's something that you used to value
that you don't value anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Ah, dude, that's so annoying other people's opinions of me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Great answer. Fifth and final question, we asked this to
every guest who's ever been on the show. If you
could create one law that everyone in the world had
to follow, what would it be.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
I think it comes back to my first answer that
my mother kind of instilled in me, which is just respect. Yeah,
you know, a law of respecting life, all life. Bysaki
Akada wrote this amazing letter. He came to the UK

(01:28:30):
I think it was in the eighties to visit the
Young the Youth members and he was there, but he
chose not to stand before them to have a communication.
I think because he could feel like the anticipation and
the complete So he wrote this letter. Or he may
have been busy, but he was there, but he didn't.

(01:28:50):
But it was a choice from and within it, he said,
there's a piece about I'm going to not maybe land this,
but you'll get one point. This lifetime is about, you know,
from the material, from the external to the internal and

(01:29:14):
making all mothers happy, because I'd love to actually find
the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
I'm a member of a Budhist organization. Since I'm sixteen
and my mentor is a Japanese man in Japan, a
man named Issato Kaida, and in nineteen ninety four he
wrote a message of encouragement to the youth of the UK.
He wouldn't see them, but he sent this message. This
is an excerpt from the message that he sent to

(01:29:45):
these children, took for them to listen to. He reserved
himself from being there. But I wanted to read it
because I feel it's so important, and I had it
written for you as well to read along. But it
says the times are changing from an age where justice,
from an age where power is justice, to an age
in which justice is power. In this new age, the

(01:30:08):
supreme guiding principle will be the benefit of all humanity
rather than the interests of one particular nation or ethnic group.
We will see the transformation of history from the revolution
of the external environment to that of the inner self,
the inner human revolution. It will be an age in
which the actions of.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Leaders will naturally be based on the guidelines of making
all mothers happy. The actions of leaders will be naturally
based on the guidelines of making all mothers happy. Respect
right because we can't us mortal men really fathom, you know,

(01:30:54):
the power of.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
What it means to be a mother in the world.
But like, if we can have a little bit of
because you know, so interesting, isn't it so interesting to
see the times, how they've been changing, and how this
masculine that's been living in with us and we've been
living with and under and around and for and it's
sort of transformed, and how we're learning, particularly as men,

(01:31:22):
to respect and understand the power of the mother, mother Earth, mother, mother,
the mothers. And it's like, and he goes on to
say about respecting your father and mother, and I really
think he means all fathers, all mothers. You know. I
was talking about this with David, who introduced me to
my practice just earlier, and we were saying, he was

(01:31:43):
saying it, I've really come to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
That it's all mothers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Respect all mothers, respect all fathers, particularly because they hopefully
have some sense, you know, of the value of life.
And there is some people that don't. Of course, there
are some people that that's not But yeah, so I
think that's that's that's beautiful idea.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
I've never heard it being put that way.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
It's a wonderful, you know, and and that idea as well,
which actually, interestingly I wrote a note of what Sam
said about Oldman, and he was like, the journey is now,
because I think it's way more. It's not the externalist,
the internal. If we are those little galaxies, right, if

(01:32:29):
we really start to understand each of us and have
like respect and take responsibility, right, imagine if you know,
I think what I what I kind of understood about
my practice was if I'm good enough and capable enough
to just take care of my side of the street, right,
then if I get so good at it, I can

(01:32:50):
start to take care of other people's side of the street.
Because there are some people they just don't have the
skill set. They may not have had the education, they
may not have the upbringing, whatever it. Maybe the circumstances
they were born into a life that just didn't provide
anything like then tools necessary to be able to cope
with what life is like, those obstacles. I was talking

(01:33:11):
about that for some people, it's just it's just there
the whole time, right. It's like, if we're all becoming
capable humans and able of taking care of then we
can start taking care of your neighbor. Right, you know
what I mean, start taking care of the person next
to you because they can't, right, Because that's what it's
going to take right in my mind for this next

(01:33:32):
chapter with where you know, jobs are not what they
used to be and people need you know, that boundary, right,
they need that that frame of reference that you need
that kind of the security through through through boundaries. Right.

(01:33:55):
So yeah, the discipline, but the respect and they all
mother's happy. Let's make all mothers happy. It's funny. I
don't do that though, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
I try.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
We try.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
You've said it here now everyone's been listening and watching.
Thank you so much, Orlando. Thank you for being what
I was saying to you a second ago. Thank you
for being so vulnerable, thanks for being so open, Thanks
for being in a space of discovery to you know,
this conversation with us discovering what was in your heart,
what was in your mind, it was us kind of

(01:34:31):
unraveling and opening. And those to me and my favorite
conversations when you don't know where you're going, but you
know you're going there together. And I think that's so
true for so much of what we discussed. And everyone's
been listening and watching back at home or at work
or wherever you are in the world. Make sure you
tune into the Edge, which is premiering on April eighteenth
if you haven't already. And also please please please let

(01:34:53):
me and Orlando know on Instagram TikTok. You guys cut
up the best clips and everything. Let me know what resonated,
what connect to tag us both so we can see
what you're practicing, what you're staying with you and what
you're putting in and implementing and applying in your life.
But a big than you do. Orland there for showing up.
Thanks me so deeply and wonderfully, and I'm excited for
one of these conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Me too, Me too, absolutely, thank you, love, thanks having.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
If this is the year that you're trying to get creative,
you're trying to build more, I need you to listen
to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break
into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods
that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving
what you do. If you're trying to find your passion
and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you,

(01:35:40):
just because I like it that doesn't give it any value,
like as an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
If you like it, that's all of the value.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
That's the success comes when you say I like this
enough for other people to see it.

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