Do you believe our thoughts can shape our reality?
Have you ever had a moment where something you visualized came true?
In this special compilation episode of On Purpose, Jay Shetty brings together a powerful lineup of voices—including Roxie Nafousi, Dr. Tara Swart, Big Sean, and Will Smith—to explore how manifestation can be truly transformative when rooted in clarity, alignment, and intentional action. Through candid conversations and personal reflections, Jay and his guests break down the mindset shifts and daily habits that turn dreams into reality.
This episode challenges common misconceptions, revealing that manifestation isn't about wishful thinking but about cultivating a deep sense of self-worth and purpose. Listeners will discover how to harness the power of visualization, overcome limiting beliefs, and align their actions with their deepest desires. The discussions emphasize the importance of consistency, gratitude, and resilience in the journey toward personal fulfillment.
Whether you're new to the concept or seeking to deepen your practice, this episode offers practical insights and inspiring stories to guide you on your path. It's a reminder that with the right mindset and intentional effort, you can create the life you've always envisioned.
In this episode, you'll learn:
How to Shift from Passive Wishing to Active Creating
How to Build Unshakable Self-Trust
How to Visualize and Embody Your Desired Outcomes
How to Stay Motivated and Bounce Back from Setbacks
How to Align Daily Actions with Long-Term Vision
Manifestation is more than a buzzword, it's a commitment to living with purpose and intention. Tune in to uncover the tools and perspectives that can help you turn your aspirations into tangible realities.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty.
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What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
01:10 This is Why You Attract Rejection and Negativity
04:40 Stop Manifesting the Wrong Things
08:19 Manifesting the Life You Want Isn't a Trend
12:06 Start Small to Grow Big Long Term
15:04 The Impact of Micro Changes to Make Your Life Better
17:57 Why is the Brain Wired to Avoid Risk?
24:45 How Acceptance Can Help You Move Forward
28:52 Stop Chasing, Start Attracting
30:29 Focus on the Things You Can Control
33:08 The Price of Having the Wrong Success Mindset
36:02 How to Live Your Life in Love and Service
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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yours today. How many of you have ever tried to
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manifest something? Not just think about it, not just dreaming,
not just wish it, but actually manifest something. Now here's
the truth. Manifestation isn't just about what you want, It's
about what you believe you deserve. Studies show that eighty
percent of our thoughts are negative and those thoughts are
silently shaping our reality. So if you have low self worth,
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could it be blocking what you're trying to attract? Whether
it's healing, chasing a dream, or rebuilding from rock bottom.
Manifestation begins the moment we realize we've been creating our
own reality all along, just not always consciously. In this
special compilation episode, we're exploring how you're inner dialogue, maybe
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the missing link between what you desire and what you manifest.
No flaff, no woo woo, just direct insights on how
to manifest the life you want.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:49):
Jay said, Jay shed Salt. First, we're gonna hear from
a dear friend of mine, Roxy Nafusi mindset and manifestation coach,
where she talks about her manifestation is tied to self worth.
What happens when you're manifesting from a place of lack.
(02:10):
Roxy shares her personal journey of attracting rejection and loneliness.
If you're someone struggling with your self worth and wondering
why you're only attracting negative or toxic situations or people,
listen to Roxy's discovery on the connection between self worth
and manifestation. What does it mean to actually move forward
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even when it feels like you're taking a step back.
Now you may be journaling you may be vision boarding,
you may have everything mapped out, but if you still
feel unworthy of your goals and dreams, it's really hard
to take a step forward. How did you learn to
manifest for yourself from a place of a lack of
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confidence and a lack of self worth.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, firstly, now, in reflection, I was manifest but the
wrong direction, so I was actually attracting I think a
lot of negativity to me, and I was constantly thinking,
you know, I wasn't making any money, like I had
no career. I was trying, but at the last moment
they'd pull out or they wouldn't want to work with me.
(03:16):
And I was for sure manifesting that because I was
kept saying to myself, I know it's not going to work.
I know this person's going to cancel. I spent so
much time on my own. I was so lonely, Like
I truly know the meaning of loneliness at it's like
deepest level. But when I decided, you know, and I
discovered manifesting, and like you say, I realized that it
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was so closely linked to self worth. How I started
was to start my healing journey, and I the first
kind of technique I used was to fall asleep to
affirmation playlists because I realized that your subconscious was susceptible
as you're falling asleep. But there was. But then that
was an ongoing journey. And by the way, I'm still
(03:59):
on it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
It.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, like I'm still on that self worth journey. You
know we spoke before. You know, there are still things
that are definitely kind of my blocks. But I don't
know if you had this, and I said, I wish
I was.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You're not allowed you today. Who will save that for
another time. Today's about you and your books.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
When I first heard about kind of self development, and
I would listen to speakers and people would say, oh,
it's a lifelong journey of healing, I was like, what
do you mean it's a lifelong journey. That sounds hideous?
What's the point? I was in this like self development honeymoon.
So at the beginning, you know, when you find healing,
and I've been in this real dark place and then
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I start to see changes, I start to see the light.
I thought, well, this is it. I'm healed. I'm never
going to feel bad again. Like this is great, And
it's exactly like being in a relationship when you start
and I'm never going to argue with this person, We're
going to be together forever. And then you time goes
on and you realize that's not the case. And now
(05:03):
what I realize is that, yes, it is a lifelong journey,
but with every single kind of layer you peel off,
you open up this huge potential for growth and abundance
and opportunity, and you're constantly up leveling, So even when
you take a step back, you're still never going back
as far as you went, And that, for me, is
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really reassuring, and I hope for anyone listening who's also thinking, what.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Do you mean?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
This is an ongoing journey. It's ongoing, but in the
best possible way.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah. I think it's interesting when you say that, because
I think I believe that everything's a lifelong journey. There's
literally nothing that you could actually say has a beginning
and an end, because even when you look at something
that you don't think grows anymore, it is growing. It's
just growing slowly, or it's growing differently, or it's growing uniquely.
(05:55):
But everything's either growing or dying at any given time.
And I think people forget that, Like the point you
made that you can manifest negatively and you can actually
manifest the other way. Can you give us an example
of how we do that, Like how do we almost
manifest things not working out?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So I think like really simple examples. Or if you
wake up on the wrong side of the bed, you
wake up in a really bad mood, and then you
miss your train and you know, your meeting gets canceled
and you stub your toe or whatever it is. We've
all had those experiences in those days where we're kind
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of just operating at this low vibe, we're in a
bad mood, and then that's what's happening. But there's also,
I think a deeper level where we you know, so
much is self fulfilling prophecies. So if we are constantly
operating from this belief system that we aren't worthy, that
we aren't enough, that we can't you know, receive abundance,
then we're going to change the way that we interpret
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and the meaning we attach to everything we experience. I
have a conversation with someone which is a in perspective
if someone else's perspective is just a really normal conversation,
But to that person who's got that low self worth
and believes everybody's against them, they might take that conversation
totally the wrong way and then sabotage the relationship and
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then go, see, I told you, I told you nobody's
here for me, or I told you I can't you know,
whatever it is. And so I think in that sense,
we are absolutely manifesting negativity into our lives because of
how we're perceiving the world through that lens of low
self worth or low self esteem.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah. No, that's such a great answer, And I'm so
glad you raised that point, because I think people think
they're like, Okay, well should I start manifesting? Should I not?
Does it work? Does it not? And the point is
you're already doing it, yes, in one way or another.
And I think a lot of people struggle with the
idea of manifesting, for people who are kind of more
skeptical or cynical and things like that. And you know,
(07:56):
you said you came from a non kind of spiritual
background too, to some degreet sounds or not open to
these ideas. And that's the same with me. If someone
told me about manifesting years ago, I would have just
been like, that's weird, Like that doesn't work. It's just
hard work. It's just you got to put in the time.
And now I realize I was subconsciously manifesting so many
(08:18):
incredible things in my life not knowing the term, not
knowing the process. And then I was like, well, actually,
if you know the process, you can use it better. Yes, right, Like,
I think that's something that we don't understand. It's almost
like if everyone is listening or watching, if you think
about something, you do actually ask your friends this, ask
your friends what do I do well? And whatever answer
they give you, there might be some things in that
(08:40):
that surprise you. Like your friends might say, oh, you're
actually a really good communicator, and you're like thinking, well,
I never even knew that. Or your friend's like, oh,
you're really great at mediating between us when we're arguing,
and you didn't know that. Often, when you don't know
you have a skill, you actually don't know how to
use it well. And that's why I find with manifesting,
whether you're using manifestation to create negativity in your life
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all positivity, knowing how it works makes sense. So how
did you start to piece together your you know, principles
of manifestation. How did you start to gather and say
this is an important part of the process.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I think. By the way, I'll start by saying that
I think this conversation is so important, these conversations in
this one especially, you know, I'm so fortunate to have
this platform to talk about this. And the reason it's
so important to me is that because manifesting has become
such a trend, I think it devalues it so much,
and I'm so passionate about manifesting that I get almost
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a bit upset. I'm like, no, it's so incredible. It's
such a full and fulfilling and meaningful practice, and within
it there is science and philosophy and wisdom, and I
think it can get a bad rep you know, from
these like thirty second TikTok videos, which maybe just are
giving so many misconceptions around it. But this really is like,
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it isn't woo, it isn't mystical. And actually my book
in particular is for the skeptics, So like anyone who's
a skeptic, I challenged them to pick up the book
and not feel better about their lives afterwards. But how
I came up with the seven steps is honestly a
terrible story.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I love it. That's great, awesome.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So when I had Wolfe, I kind of really was like,
I'm gonna who's my son? I thought, I'm going to
make this career for myself in being of service to others. Others.
I realized that that was my purpose, That's what I'm
here to do. And so the first I did a workshop.
I used to watch like Brene Brown and I just
love her, and I saw her called Courage on Netflix.
(10:41):
I was like, I want to do that. I want
to be on stage. I want to inspire people. So
I thought, I'm just going to host my first workshop.
And it was a self love workshop and one hundred
people came.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Ye where did they come from?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I had a really small community on Instagram. It was like,
I think, like twenty thousand followers. So it was good,
but it was small, and I was really connected to
them because I'm very open and vulnerable and they've kind
of been on the journey with me. And so I said, look,
I'm going to do this anyway. You know, I can't imagine,
you know what your first one was like. But I
remember just my legs like jelly before I stepped on stage.
(11:15):
But the moment I got on that stage, I was like,
this is what I'm here to do. So I did
that workshop. It went well, and so I was like, Okay,
I'm going to do another one. And so I said
to my audience, I said, guys have been following manifestation,
I've been learning about it. Do you think I should
do this? And this was jan twenty twenty and they
were like yeah. So I was like, now I had
to do a workshop of manifestation. How am I going
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to explain this practice? There is so much to it.
So I just thought, right, I'm going to put it
in a step by step process. So I went on
a walk and I got out the notes on my
phone and within five minutes I had my seven steps
to manifesting. And I think it came so instinctively to me.
But I made this claim that I said, everything you
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need to know about manifestation is in these seven steps.
And then I panicked because I was like, this is
a big claim, and what if people realize that things
are not in these seven steps? And when I would
listen to people talk, I was like, on the edge
of my seat, thing, I hope that's not something that's
not in my seven steps, but I actually found that
everything slotted in to one of these steps, and one
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hundred people came to that workshop in Jan twenty twenty
and then in the pandemic hit, I took them online.
Seven hundred people were then on a webinar in Jan
twenty twenty one, and by Jan twenty twenty two it
was a Sunday Times best seller. So it was a
really exciting journey. And I still stand by these seven steps.
(12:44):
I live and breed them. They are so practical, accessible
and easy for anyone to follow.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Next up is doctor Tarres Swatt, neuroscientist and expert in
mindset and manifestation. Now, some people think manifesting it is
just sitting at home fantasizing about the life you want,
but doctor Taris Swat explains how you need to take
actionable steps every day to move yourself forward. In order
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to truly manifest the life you want. You need to
create alignment. Now, if you're someone who's skeptical about manifestation,
the next clip is for you. Doctor Taris Swart brings
scientific research and studies to validate manifestation. This idea, then,
that we have the power to change our destiny, this
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idea that we have the power to propel our lives,
whether it's careers, whether it's relationships, we have the ability
to shift and pivot. A lot of people will hear
that and they think to themselves, well, that doesn't happen
to me. It happens for those people. They hear that
and think, yeah, you can't really think your way into anything.
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Or people hear it and say, no, I tried that
once and work for me. How do you approach that
conversation of helping people realize the power that they hold
and the power of what's possible for any one of us.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I love the way you've kind of segued that from
nature into manifestation because a few things here. One thing
is that if you just observe nature, you see manifestation
all the time. You know, you see a flower growing
from a bard into a fully formed flower, and then
it's petals starting to fall. You see trees growing, you know,
all sorts of things. And the other connection there is
that creating the environment within yourself and around yourself to
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allow things like manifestation to happen. And that basically means,
at the simplest level, that you set a goal. You
say this is what I want my life to be, Like, well,
this is a specific thing I want in my life,
and then there's a process that leads that to potentially
manifesting in the real world. But I do agree with
one of those skepticism points, which is that you can't
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sit at home and think about it. So I've been
really really clear about saying that it's manifestation is not
creating a fantasy and then waiting for it to come
try with no action from yourself. So I actually renamed
vision boards action boards as if to say that, yes,
create imagery that represents what you want, but then you
have to be doing something every day to move yourself
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closer to that. Whether it's being healthier just so that
your brain's in a better environment, or it's networking or
dating or saving money, whatever it is, it's going to
get you. Let's say the house that you want. You know,
a great example is people might say, of course, i'd
love a house in the Hamptons, but if that's not
realistic for you in the short term, then you'll only
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reinforce the fact that you're failing at manifesting. So it's
better to say i'd like to be on the property
ladder and start there and then obviously build bigger.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Did you find a difference? And I want to get
into the science and research part to show the validity
of what you're saying, Did you find a difference in
the science of measuring extrinsic and intrinsic motivating? Is because
I feel like manifestation is still always about what do
you want? Where do you want to be? And as
you know, honestly I can only really speak for myself,
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but when I think about it, for me, I've if
someone asked me what that was, I've always wanted to
just wake up and do what I love every day,
Like that's that's really all I care about. And so
it's all I care right is I want to wake
up and do what I love every day and hopefully
improves the lives of other people, and if those two
things can go together. And I find that a lot
of manifestation stems around like what kind of house do
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you want? And what kind of car do you want?
And what kind of life do you want? And it
gets very extrinsic, And so I wonder whether I'm intrigued.
I'm really curious to know what the science suggests about
when you're having an action board towards an intrinsic motivator
or an extrinsic motivator.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
There's a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Please, I'm all ears. I'm here as a student to
just listen because I'm so fascinated.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
So, in terms of the motivation, to make it really
easy for people to understand, I called it magnetic desire,
which is something that is so emotionally driven for you,
personally un aligned with you know what's logically doable in
your life, and what your intuition tells you, and you
know what your creative brain can help you to achieve.
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That If you have magnetic desire for something, then you know.
I always say if you follow your passion, you will
be successful. But I'm mindful that that statement and even
your one if I just want to wake up and
do what I love, are extremely privileged statements. So with manifestation,
one of the criticisms is that you know, that's a
luxury for people who already have, you know, more than
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what they need, and then they can say, oh, well,
I would love, you know, to do this or have this.
And so I think what I've learned in where I
have ever felt slightly defensive around that statement is that
whoever you are, wherever you are, there is one tiny
thing that you could do to make your life better,
and it's the micro changes that build you up to
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getting to a point where maybe you can actually do
something that you love rather than do what you have
to do to put food on the table for your children.
But having said that, if your ideas for what you
want to manifest are things like, well, all my friends
are getting married and having a family, so I want
to get married and have a family, rather than I've
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really thought about what I want to do, and my
passion and purpose might mean that I have to delay
having a family, and that's okay. It's more likely to
work out with the second one than the one that's
kind of too guided by parental expectations, societal expectation, career,
you know, aspirations. So I do think people have to
dig deeper for manifestation to you know, really work.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, Yeah, walk me through some of the science that
and the research that validates some of these claims, because
I think that's your unique perspective, and that's been the
unique angle that you brought to in I feel like
it's great to understand that this stuff is actually being recent,
it's tested, discovered, it's not just being said because it
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not just sounds good, but that maybe there's a couple
of case studies, but there's more than that.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
So there's two main sort of areas around that. One
is the sort of six themes that I narrowed down
from the twelve laws of attraction that I could explain
with cognitive science, which is neuroscience and psychology. So when
I first started that research, I saw that there wasn't
even agreement over what the laws of attraction were or
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how many there were. So I thought, okay, let me
distill this down to something that makes sense to me
and then see what we can do with it. So
the first one is abundance because one of the strongest
gearings in the brain is loss avoidance. So to survive
when we lived in the cave, we had to stay
safe rather than take risk. Now for most of us
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who are lucky enough, you know, to live in the
modern world and have basic safety around us, it's healthier
for us to be willing to take risk. So you
actually have to override that ancient wiring of the brain
which says no don't go and like you know, fly
to London and try to have meetings with lots of
different people who may not want to meet you. Stay
in LA because that's safer and you've got your community
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around you and you know, you know, you've got a
big network. So for you to say, well, I'm going
to go to a news I know it's not it
was your home. But in terms of like recent work,
you know, kind of take a bit of a risk,
take a week out there. You know, see who I
can interview. That is you overriding that part of your
brain that might say it would just be easier for
me to stay in LA. So it's as simple as that.
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It can obviously be a lot harder than that as well,
but it's understanding that your brain will do quite a
lot to stop you from taking risk. It's two and
a half times as strongly wired to avoid risk as
it is to gain reward. And do that part again,
it's two and a half times more strongly wired to
avoid risk than is to get a reward. Wow. It's
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about believing that there are enough resources out there for
everyone and that by you know, perhaps entering a new
career pool or a new community of people that it
doesn't mean that you're likely to fail if you've managed
to be in an abundant state, because what that does
in the brain is it moves the brain away from
the fear and shame kind of states which correlate with
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the stress hormone cortisol, to the love and trust and
joy and excitement states which correlate with the bonding hormone oxytocin. Now,
when your brain is in that state, it's much more
likely to take a healthy risk. It's much more likely
to ask someone for a favor. We were talking about,
you know, asking each other for favors. Before, you wouldn't
do that. If you thought, well, don't ask j because
you'll just shut you down, then you would never ask anyone.
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But if you start a conversation and someone looks like
they want to be generous and help you, then you know,
you go into that oxytocin mode. But you need to
be pushing yourself into that mode as much of the
time as you can. So the second one is manifestation,
which is believing that with your abundant resources you can
do things in the real world that mean that whether
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it's that feeling if I do what I love or
it's an actual house that you have it in your
capability to make that happen, because of course, if you
believe it will never happen for me, one of these
common statements that's likely to become true. That's manifestation too,
it's just negative manifestation. And it's important to say that
both manifestation and the process of neuroplasticity, which I will
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describe in detail, which is how your brain changes to
allow you to grow and grasp new opportunities, they both
have a good side and a bad side. And the
classic example of a bad side of neuroplasticity is obsessing
over an X after a breakup, because what you're saying
to your brain is this is what people do. You know,
you trust them, and then they leave you, and you
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just remind yourself of all the times that you should
have seen the signs, and then you know all the
times that it went wrong. That's also inducing neuroplasticity and
potentially manifestation in your brain, because if you don't make
a change after that, your relationship pattern will stay the same,
and you'll reinforce it further with more breakups and more
you know, sort of choices of partners aren't ideal for you.
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The third one is the magnetic desire that I already discussed,
which means that it has to be really authentic to you,
but also aligned in simple terms in your head, your heart,
and your gut. But in the Source, I talk about
six ways of thinking, which are logical, emotional, physical, intuitive, motivational,
and creative. So if you think of something that you
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want and you ask yourself in six different questions, you know,
why do I want this? Logically? Why do I want it? Intuitively?
And you can get a really good answer to those,
then it's likely that you know you will be able
to manifest that. Then there's patience, which is to do
with neuroplasticity. So until we had sophisticated scanning technologies, a
lot of this work, cognitive science work was all thought
(23:53):
to be psychological rather than neurological. So it would kind
of be like, oh, you know, Jay, not mentally strong enough,
you gave up too quickly, and it would kind of
infer an intangible psychological weakness that is kind of your fault.
And I think that's another criticism of manifestation as well,
that if it doesn't work, then there's something wrong with
you if you understand that it's actually physical work. When
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you're changing something, when you're striving for something, you're actually
connecting up neurons or nerve cells in your brain that
weren't connected previously. You may even be growing new nerve
cells from little embryonic you know, baby nerve cells that
then connect up with ones that already exist. And you
may also be adding an insulating coat around existing neural
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pathways to make them faster, to make them more efficient.
So the patient's piece is because a lot of hard
work goes on, you know, that feeling of I'm trying
to manifest but nothing's happening. That's in the patient's piece,
because when you get to a critical mass of neurons
that have created a new pathway that is stronger than
the where you had before. So let's say it's just
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the things like that never happened for me. Pathway changes
to a well, actually, I've seen Jay do it, so
maybe it could happen for me. Pathway that takes a
lot of effort. But once you get to the critical
mass of enough neurons, suddenly it feels like everything's easy
and everything's manifesting, and I do feel like people have
to get a taste of that before, you know, at
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least once with a quick win, to have the courage
to take it to the next level.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Our next clip is from my good friend Big Sean rapper,
entrepreneur and mental health advocate. Now he explains how to
shift your mindset that feeling a sense of acceptance of
where you are isn't giving up, it's preparing you for
what's next. He breaks down the importance in understanding the
(25:50):
difference between chasing and attracting energy to unlock your true power.
If you're someone who's struggling to overcome your difficult past
and don't know how to move forward, this clip is
for you. This idea that your journey only begins when
you accept that where you are is your starting point,
that your experience have made you exactly who you're meant
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to be, with the skills, the talents, the gifts. So
if someone's sitting and listening and going Sean, that's so
hard for me to accept that I am where I
need to be because my life's just been full of
you know, the worst, horrible, difficult things. How do I
accept and start from there? What would you say to them?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I would say that I understand some people's lives are
not ideal. I'm someone who has seen that experience that
can relate to that firsthand. And what I can say
is that when you accept it, that doesn't mean that
you are giving up. Those are two different things. Accepting
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it just means Okay, I'm ready to go somewhere else,
and I'm thinking for all that all of this has
taught me, all of this has brought me. I accept
where I'm at, but I know I'm made for something else.
I know I'm made to go to go higher, right,
but no, but really I'm made to be somewhere else
in the world, you know. And I think that until
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you accept that, you can't move forward because you're just
in the middle of it. And I think when you
accept something, that's how you get ahead of it.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like it's the resistance
to acceptance that blocks.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Us exactly right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's like when we're said, yeah, when we're fighting, we're
going in the opposite direction. It's like it's telling you
it's going in this direction and you're trying to force
it to go in the other direction. And that's what's
causing tension and accepting it means, like you said, not
that you're giving up and you're like, all right, well
I just do what you want. It's going No, this
is how it's flowing. Now what am I going to do?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
There's always a like thread of where you are to
where you desire to be at, no matter and what situation,
there's never not a way, or else you wouldn't feel it,
or else you wouldn't be have a desire for it,
but it wouldn't even be in your consciousness, you know
what I mean. Like I don't have a desire to
go to Saturn because that's just not in my thing, right,
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But I have a desire to the things that I've
had a desire to.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I always knew that there was a way.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
So always know that no matter what opportunity you're in
against the impossible odds or against odds, you know, whatever
it is, you always have your way to get to
where you are. There's always a thread leading you, and
there are maybe multiple threads. So never be down and
out and think that it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's really not.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I mean, Mission Impossible is a movie that where he
defines impossible.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Missions, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
But my point is is like there's nothing that's impossible
for you. It's all meant for you, and it's up
to you.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
One of my favorite quotes is, every day I wake up,
I'm one day closer to death. So what you're gonna
do with the time you got left? It's like, understand
that this is our time right now, The moment is now,
these moments, we only have the moment. So a lot
of us live in the future and a lot of
us live in the past, and that's something that we
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have to get out of the habit of. And I
think when you accept where you are, you're kind of
letting go of that and making an action plan to
putting your attention on your intention. And you, of course
you have an idea of where you would like to be.
But God doesn't always give us what we want. God
gives us what we need, and sometimes those are the
same thing, and sometimes they're not. Yea, and it all
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works out, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, for sure. What's the you know, when you're manifesting
as we're talking about this, like finding your path, what's
the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Oh boy, attracting energy and chasing energy? Well, like I said,
when you're chasing something, you're already implementing the energy of
it running away from you, you know what I mean.
And I to say you can't get it, but it's
a lot of effort to chase something. It's like even
police on a high speed chase, it's like they might
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have to crash into other cars and they're chasing you.
And when you attract something, it's you are using the
powers that have been granted to you from God, universe,
whatever you call it or believe in of it magnetizing
to you.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And you have that power.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
It's been the power that's been you know, we use
it on a level, on small levels every day, even
if you just set it into hey i'm today, I
need to take a shower.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's literally you set a goal, you did it, It's done.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
You can do that on a scale of anything that happens.
And some things may take a lot more time than others.
You know, we have these ideas and expectations we set
for ourselves, but that's on us, you know, that's our ego.
Sometimes that's our our you know, once and desires and
our minds sometimes getting the best of us. And I
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think that things do take time. But there's always a way,
and you know it's you can never count yourself out.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
What's been the most difficult thing you've ever had to accept?
Speaker 5 (31:17):
The most difficult thing that I've ever had to accept
is that the things that I can't control, I used
to let the things that I can't control control me.
Give an example, let how someone perceives your art. As
an artist, like Eric Abadu says, we're emotional about our shit.
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You know, I think she said something like that. That
never changes. But you can't control how someone perceives you.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
All you can do is put first of all, to
make something, to write something, to have an idea and
it actualize it. Is like that is really the wind
for real. I'm not just saying that, like that is like,
come on, you know what I mean. You literally manifested something,
how people consume it. If you impact anyone, you that's
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literally a bonus to it. You know, that's why we
do it. But that's that's you literally changed in the world.
So one thing I've had to accept is like, yeah,
how people like I can't control what people think of me,
their perceptions of me, And when I try and control that,
it takes me off.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Of my path that I'm on where I need to go,
you know.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
So that's that's that is something hard, and you have
to separate, like that said, that power of separation, of
doing what you love to do and not tie it
into how people perceive it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Those are two separate things.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Which is so hard, so hard, And I loved what
you said that when you get fixated on what other
people think of you, you're just getting distracted from your path.
Of course, now you play energy on and then you
might even shift what you're doing to try and appease them,
and then they still won't like it. And that's the
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craziest part, right, You do what you want and they
don't like it, and then you do what they want
and they still don't last, right, and then you don't
know who you are anymore and no one likes it,
and you don't like it either, and you end up
not liking yourself trying to get everyone else to like you.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's where you don't want to be at, and that's
where you don't want to be at.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
And then you're kind of like back to a square one,
you know, position of like okay, having to re establish
yourself and you know you got to be right with
yourself first. So you nailed it right on the head man,
It's like, you know you can't, you can't really do
you live your life for other people. I always say
that's a business you'll never be successful at as the
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business of trying to please everyone. And then when you
do please everyone, it's like, are you pleasing yourself?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
It's a hard it's a hard lesson as well for people.
Next up is one of my best friends, Will Smith,
Award winning actor, producer, rapper, and entrepreneur, and he talks
about the double edged sword of discipline and manifestation. This
is for those of you who are starting to see
some success, You're starting to make the right moves and
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you want to stay on track. Will explores the connection
between intense focus and creating your reality. If you're someone
who's using discipline to seek validation or prove something that
can be dangerous and ultimately serve no real purpose. Even
with fame and success, a lack of inner grounding can
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leave you unfulfilled if you're really wanting to use your
discipline for real manifestation. This next clip explains the importance
of building a strong spiritual foundation and why true manifestation
comes from trust and faith, not force or pressure. Sometimes
we feel momentum, but we're acting out of fear more
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than love and growth.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
When you look at the athletes, right, there's a certain
extreme mindset that you I was gonna say you have
to take on. I don't know that you have to
take it on. What I do know is that in
this society we worship that mindset that.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
It's the can you become Michael Jordan without that mindset?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
You know?
Speaker 6 (35:32):
And that is a that is a really powerful, difficult question.
It's like most people can't sustain the mindset that you know,
fortunately because it's it can be so destructive. But most
people can't sustain that level of discipline to manifest the
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things that they want in their life. And there's just
a there's a poisonous edge to that kind of discipline.
And I've been to the edge of that kind of
material world discipline in my mind, and I can tell
you you can have a whole lot of stuff and
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be miserable out there on that edge. And I found
a much more comfortable and productive space in my life.
And you still need that discipline, yes, but it it's
like when you're when you use that kind of power
to achieve things, It's like there's a there's a there's
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a brutal reckoning. Yeah, there's a brutal reckoning at the
at the end of that.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
The amazing thing about you is you've been on that
path in that direction. I think people sometimes see these
flips where they're like, oh, yeah, now that you are
rich and successful and famous, now you're going this way.
But actually, from all conversations and how you've shared with
the family or even when we've worked with some of
the friends in your life, it's like, this has actually
been a long process. This isn't just ten twelve months.
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This isn't just a couple of years. This has planted
a seed from your grandmother through your whole life. Always
be reminded of it. To study spiritual paths, world religions,
to study philosophies like this is just a long process.
Tell me about that belief your grandmother had in you,
and tell me a bit about how she planted that
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deep seed. Because I think what you said at the
beginning that we need that example. I think everyone if
they really reflected, there'd be someone in their life, either
indirectly or directly, but sometimes we forget them. But when
we've been talking to everything, your grandmother has been such
a pivotal figure. I'd love for you to share what
you think she did that was so powerful, because maybe
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there are some parents listening today and brothers and sisters
and grandmothers and grandparents are listening today and they'll be
able to do that for their children and grandchildren.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
My father, my mother, and my grandmother. Whenever I think
about the three of them, I picture a triangle in
my mind, and I see, like my father was the
base as discipline, and my mother didn't care about anything
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but education like that you had to learn, grow, study,
travel like my you know, my mother was really serious
about educating the mind. And my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Was love and God.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
My grandmother was that grandmother at Resurrection Baptist Church, and
she had you know, we were during our Eastern recitations
and we was in the Nativity, you know, So she
was that, she was that grandmother at the church, and
her life was deeply devoted to God and Jesus in
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the form of loving service. Right, so the form that
it took was she was working hard to love everybody.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I remember my grandmother bringing homeless people into our house
when we were little and washing them in our bathtub.
I thought that was the nastiest thing.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
O aha.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
But she would be in the bathroom with her hands
washing homeless people, you know. And as a child, it
was like no. But as I grew older, I just
I just saw how dedicated and devoted she was to
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living her life in service. It took me fifty years
to figure you know, to figure out what the secret
of that was, you know, but it's it was, there
was There wasn't there was a day of her life
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that wasn't devoted to uh, loving and serving, you know.
And I just watched her. She worked the graveyard shift
at the hospital, and she watched us, my brothers and
sisters during the day while my parents were at work,
you know. And then when my parents got off work,
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then she went she would take a little nap, and
then she would go to work at the hospital, you know.
And she was the just the happiest person that I
had ever met. Nothing facer.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
She was okay.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
And I remember I was about twelve, and I had
started rapping, and you know, so I had my rap books,
I had all my all my little curse words and
everything in my wrap book. And she found my wrap
book and she never said anything, and she just opened
the cover and she wrote a letter to me, Dear Willard,
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Truly intelligent people do not have to use words like
this to express themselves. God has given you the gift
of words. Be sure to use those words to uplift people.
And you know, I was, I was sitting, I was
reading that and just love Gigi. And you know that
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was part of the reason why I never used profanity
in any of my music. And it was like she
missionized me in that way to make sure that what
I was doing was uplifting others. You know. And when
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you're telling stories, you can always find the part of
the story that is a gift for the potential upliftment
of somebody that will see it.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Now, I want to share a few takeaways with you.
Manifestation isn't just about wishful thinking. It's about healing from
what's holding you back. Whether you're just starting your self
worth journey or deep into it, every step counts and
it continues to be a process for the rest of
your life. Remember you're not behind, You're exactly where you
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need to be to create what's next. If this episode moved,
you share it with someone who needs to hear they
are worthy of the life they want. If you love
this episode, you love my interview with Will Smith on
owning your truth and unlocking the power of manifestation.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Anybody who hasn't spoken to their parents or their brother,
call them right now. Don't think you're going to have
a chance to call them tomorrow or next week. That
opportunity with my father changed every relationship in my life.
Hey everyone, It's Jay Shaddy and I'm thrilled to announce
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manifest something? Not just think about it, not just dreaming,
not just wish it, but actually manifest something. Now here's
the truth. Manifestation isn't just about what you want, It's
about what you believe you deserve. Studies show that eighty
percent of our thoughts are negative and those thoughts are
silently shaping our reality. So if you have low self worth,
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could it be blocking what you're trying to attract? Whether
it's healing, chasing a dream, or rebuilding from rock bottom.
Manifestation begins the moment we realize we've been creating our
own reality all along, just not always consciously. In this
special compilation episode, we're exploring how you're inner dialogue, maybe
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the missing link between what you desire and what you manifest.
No flaff, no woo woo, just direct insights on how
to manifest the life you want.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The number one health and wellness podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Jay said, Jay shed Salt. First, we're gonna hear from
a dear friend of mine, Roxy Nafusi mindset and manifestation coach,
where she talks about her manifestation is tied to self worth.
What happens when you're manifesting from a place of lack.
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Roxy shares her personal journey of attracting rejection and loneliness.
If you're someone struggling with your self worth and wondering
why you're only attracting negative or toxic situations or people,
listen to Roxy's discovery on the connection between self worth
and manifestation. What does it mean to actually move forward
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even when it feels like you're taking a step back.
Now you may be journaling you may be vision boarding,
you may have everything mapped out, but if you still
feel unworthy of your goals and dreams, it's really hard
to take a step forward. How did you learn to
manifest for yourself from a place of a lack of
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confidence and a lack of self worth.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, firstly, now, in reflection, I was manifest but the
wrong direction, so I was actually attracting I think a
lot of negativity to me, and I was constantly thinking,
you know, I wasn't making any money, like I had
no career. I was trying, but at the last moment
they'd pull out or they wouldn't want to work with me.
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And I was for sure manifesting that because I was
kept saying to myself, I know it's not going to work.
I know this person's going to cancel. I spent so
much time on my own. I was so lonely, Like
I truly know the meaning of loneliness at it's like
deepest level. But when I decided, you know, and I
discovered manifesting, and like you say, I realized that it
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was so closely linked to self worth. How I started
was to start my healing journey, and I the first
kind of technique I used was to fall asleep to
affirmation playlists because I realized that your subconscious was susceptible
as you're falling asleep. But there was. But then that
was an ongoing journey. And by the way, I'm still
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on it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
It.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, like I'm still on that self worth journey. You
know we spoke before. You know, there are still things
that are definitely kind of my blocks. But I don't
know if you had this, and I said, I wish
I was.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You're not allowed you today. Who will save that for
another time. Today's about you and your books.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
When I first heard about kind of self development, and
I would listen to speakers and people would say, oh,
it's a lifelong journey of healing, I was like, what
do you mean it's a lifelong journey. That sounds hideous?
What's the point? I was in this like self development honeymoon.
So at the beginning, you know, when you find healing,
and I've been in this real dark place and then
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I start to see changes, I start to see the light.
I thought, well, this is it. I'm healed. I'm never
going to feel bad again. Like this is great, And
it's exactly like being in a relationship when you start
and I'm never going to argue with this person, We're
going to be together forever. And then you time goes
on and you realize that's not the case. And now
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what I realize is that, yes, it is a lifelong journey,
but with every single kind of layer you peel off,
you open up this huge potential for growth and abundance
and opportunity, and you're constantly up leveling, So even when
you take a step back, you're still never going back
as far as you went, And that, for me, is
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really reassuring, and I hope for anyone listening who's also thinking, what.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Do you mean?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
This is an ongoing journey. It's ongoing, but in the
best possible way.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah. I think it's interesting when you say that, because
I think I believe that everything's a lifelong journey. There's
literally nothing that you could actually say has a beginning
and an end, because even when you look at something
that you don't think grows anymore, it is growing. It's
just growing slowly, or it's growing differently, or it's growing uniquely.
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But everything's either growing or dying at any given time.
And I think people forget that, Like the point you
made that you can manifest negatively and you can actually
manifest the other way. Can you give us an example
of how we do that, Like how do we almost
manifest things not working out?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So I think like really simple examples. Or if you
wake up on the wrong side of the bed, you
wake up in a really bad mood, and then you
miss your train and you know, your meeting gets canceled
and you stub your toe or whatever it is. We've
all had those experiences in those days where we're kind
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of just operating at this low vibe, we're in a
bad mood, and then that's what's happening. But there's also,
I think a deeper level where we you know, so
much is self fulfilling prophecies. So if we are constantly
operating from this belief system that we aren't worthy, that
we aren't enough, that we can't you know, receive abundance,
then we're going to change the way that we interpret
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and the meaning we attach to everything we experience. I
have a conversation with someone which is a in perspective
if someone else's perspective is just a really normal conversation,
But to that person who's got that low self worth
and believes everybody's against them, they might take that conversation
totally the wrong way and then sabotage the relationship and
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then go, see, I told you, I told you nobody's
here for me, or I told you I can't you know,
whatever it is. And so I think in that sense,
we are absolutely manifesting negativity into our lives because of
how we're perceiving the world through that lens of low
self worth or low self esteem.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah. No, that's such a great answer, And I'm so
glad you raised that point, because I think people think
they're like, Okay, well should I start manifesting? Should I not?
Does it work? Does it not? And the point is
you're already doing it, yes, in one way or another.
And I think a lot of people struggle with the
idea of manifesting, for people who are kind of more
skeptical or cynical and things like that. And you know,
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you said you came from a non kind of spiritual
background too, to some degreet sounds or not open to
these ideas. And that's the same with me. If someone
told me about manifesting years ago, I would have just
been like, that's weird, Like that doesn't work. It's just
hard work. It's just you got to put in the time.
And now I realize I was subconsciously manifesting so many
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incredible things in my life not knowing the term, not
knowing the process. And then I was like, well, actually,
if you know the process, you can use it better. Yes, right, Like,
I think that's something that we don't understand. It's almost
like if everyone is listening or watching, if you think
about something, you do actually ask your friends this, ask
your friends what do I do well? And whatever answer
they give you, there might be some things in that
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that surprise you. Like your friends might say, oh, you're
actually a really good communicator, and you're like thinking, well,
I never even knew that. Or your friend's like, oh,
you're really great at mediating between us when we're arguing,
and you didn't know that. Often, when you don't know
you have a skill, you actually don't know how to
use it well. And that's why I find with manifesting,
whether you're using manifestation to create negativity in your life
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all positivity, knowing how it works makes sense. So how
did you start to piece together your you know, principles
of manifestation. How did you start to gather and say
this is an important part of the process.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I think. By the way, I'll start by saying that
I think this conversation is so important, these conversations in
this one especially, you know, I'm so fortunate to have
this platform to talk about this. And the reason it's
so important to me is that because manifesting has become
such a trend, I think it devalues it so much,
and I'm so passionate about manifesting that I get almost
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a bit upset. I'm like, no, it's so incredible. It's
such a full and fulfilling and meaningful practice, and within
it there is science and philosophy and wisdom, and I
think it can get a bad rep you know, from
these like thirty second TikTok videos, which maybe just are
giving so many misconceptions around it. But this really is like,
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it isn't woo, it isn't mystical. And actually my book
in particular is for the skeptics, So like anyone who's
a skeptic, I challenged them to pick up the book
and not feel better about their lives afterwards. But how
I came up with the seven steps is honestly a
terrible story.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I love it. That's great, awesome.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So when I had Wolfe, I kind of really was like,
I'm gonna who's my son? I thought, I'm going to
make this career for myself in being of service to others. Others.
I realized that that was my purpose, That's what I'm
here to do. And so the first I did a workshop.
I used to watch like Brene Brown and I just
love her, and I saw her called Courage on Netflix.
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I was like, I want to do that. I want
to be on stage. I want to inspire people. So
I thought, I'm just going to host my first workshop.
And it was a self love workshop and one hundred
people came.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Ye where did they come from?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I had a really small community on Instagram. It was like,
I think, like twenty thousand followers. So it was good,
but it was small, and I was really connected to
them because I'm very open and vulnerable and they've kind
of been on the journey with me. And so I said, look,
I'm going to do this anyway. You know, I can't imagine,
you know what your first one was like. But I
remember just my legs like jelly before I stepped on stage.
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But the moment I got on that stage, I was like,
this is what I'm here to do. So I did
that workshop. It went well, and so I was like, Okay,
I'm going to do another one. And so I said
to my audience, I said, guys have been following manifestation,
I've been learning about it. Do you think I should
do this? And this was jan twenty twenty and they
were like yeah. So I was like, now I had
to do a workshop of manifestation. How am I going
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to explain this practice? There is so much to it.
So I just thought, right, I'm going to put it
in a step by step process. So I went on
a walk and I got out the notes on my
phone and within five minutes I had my seven steps
to manifesting. And I think it came so instinctively to me.
But I made this claim that I said, everything you
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need to know about manifestation is in these seven steps.
And then I panicked because I was like, this is
a big claim, and what if people realize that things
are not in these seven steps? And when I would
listen to people talk, I was like, on the edge
of my seat, thing, I hope that's not something that's
not in my seven steps, but I actually found that
everything slotted in to one of these steps, and one
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hundred people came to that workshop in Jan twenty twenty
and then in the pandemic hit, I took them online.
Seven hundred people were then on a webinar in Jan
twenty twenty one, and by Jan twenty twenty two it
was a Sunday Times best seller. So it was a
really exciting journey. And I still stand by these seven steps.
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I live and breed them. They are so practical, accessible
and easy for anyone to follow.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Next up is doctor Tarres Swatt, neuroscientist and expert in
mindset and manifestation. Now, some people think manifesting it is
just sitting at home fantasizing about the life you want,
but doctor Taris Swat explains how you need to take
actionable steps every day to move yourself forward. In order
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to truly manifest the life you want. You need to
create alignment. Now, if you're someone who's skeptical about manifestation,
the next clip is for you. Doctor Taris Swart brings
scientific research and studies to validate manifestation. This idea, then,
that we have the power to change our destiny, this
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idea that we have the power to propel our lives,
whether it's careers, whether it's relationships, we have the ability
to shift and pivot. A lot of people will hear
that and they think to themselves, well, that doesn't happen
to me. It happens for those people. They hear that
and think, yeah, you can't really think your way into anything.
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Or people hear it and say, no, I tried that
once and work for me. How do you approach that
conversation of helping people realize the power that they hold
and the power of what's possible for any one of us.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I love the way you've kind of segued that from
nature into manifestation because a few things here. One thing
is that if you just observe nature, you see manifestation
all the time. You know, you see a flower growing
from a bard into a fully formed flower, and then
it's petals starting to fall. You see trees growing, you know,
all sorts of things. And the other connection there is
that creating the environment within yourself and around yourself to
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allow things like manifestation to happen. And that basically means,
at the simplest level, that you set a goal. You
say this is what I want my life to be, Like, well,
this is a specific thing I want in my life,
and then there's a process that leads that to potentially
manifesting in the real world. But I do agree with
one of those skepticism points, which is that you can't
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sit at home and think about it. So I've been
really really clear about saying that it's manifestation is not
creating a fantasy and then waiting for it to come
try with no action from yourself. So I actually renamed
vision boards action boards as if to say that, yes,
create imagery that represents what you want, but then you
have to be doing something every day to move yourself
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closer to that. Whether it's being healthier just so that
your brain's in a better environment, or it's networking or
dating or saving money, whatever it is, it's going to
get you. Let's say the house that you want. You know,
a great example is people might say, of course, i'd
love a house in the Hamptons, but if that's not
realistic for you in the short term, then you'll only
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reinforce the fact that you're failing at manifesting. So it's
better to say i'd like to be on the property
ladder and start there and then obviously build bigger.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Did you find a difference? And I want to get
into the science and research part to show the validity
of what you're saying, Did you find a difference in
the science of measuring extrinsic and intrinsic motivating? Is because
I feel like manifestation is still always about what do
you want? Where do you want to be? And as
you know, honestly I can only really speak for myself,
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but when I think about it, for me, I've if
someone asked me what that was, I've always wanted to
just wake up and do what I love every day,
Like that's that's really all I care about. And so
it's all I care right is I want to wake
up and do what I love every day and hopefully
improves the lives of other people, and if those two
things can go together. And I find that a lot
of manifestation stems around like what kind of house do
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you want? And what kind of car do you want?
And what kind of life do you want? And it
gets very extrinsic, And so I wonder whether I'm intrigued.
I'm really curious to know what the science suggests about
when you're having an action board towards an intrinsic motivator
or an extrinsic motivator.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
There's a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Please, I'm all ears. I'm here as a student to
just listen because I'm so fascinated.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
So, in terms of the motivation, to make it really
easy for people to understand, I called it magnetic desire,
which is something that is so emotionally driven for you,
personally un aligned with you know what's logically doable in
your life, and what your intuition tells you, and you
know what your creative brain can help you to achieve.
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That If you have magnetic desire for something, then you know.
I always say if you follow your passion, you will
be successful. But I'm mindful that that statement and even
your one if I just want to wake up and
do what I love, are extremely privileged statements. So with manifestation,
one of the criticisms is that you know, that's a
luxury for people who already have, you know, more than
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what they need, and then they can say, oh, well,
I would love, you know, to do this or have this.
And so I think what I've learned in where I
have ever felt slightly defensive around that statement is that
whoever you are, wherever you are, there is one tiny
thing that you could do to make your life better,
and it's the micro changes that build you up to
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getting to a point where maybe you can actually do
something that you love rather than do what you have
to do to put food on the table for your children.
But having said that, if your ideas for what you
want to manifest are things like, well, all my friends
are getting married and having a family, so I want
to get married and have a family, rather than I've
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really thought about what I want to do, and my
passion and purpose might mean that I have to delay
having a family, and that's okay. It's more likely to
work out with the second one than the one that's
kind of too guided by parental expectations, societal expectation, career,
you know, aspirations. So I do think people have to
dig deeper for manifestation to you know, really work.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, Yeah, walk me through some of the science that
and the research that validates some of these claims, because
I think that's your unique perspective, and that's been the
unique angle that you brought to in I feel like
it's great to understand that this stuff is actually being recent,
it's tested, discovered, it's not just being said because it
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not just sounds good, but that maybe there's a couple
of case studies, but there's more than that.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
So there's two main sort of areas around that. One
is the sort of six themes that I narrowed down
from the twelve laws of attraction that I could explain
with cognitive science, which is neuroscience and psychology. So when
I first started that research, I saw that there wasn't
even agreement over what the laws of attraction were or
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how many there were. So I thought, okay, let me
distill this down to something that makes sense to me
and then see what we can do with it. So
the first one is abundance because one of the strongest
gearings in the brain is loss avoidance. So to survive
when we lived in the cave, we had to stay
safe rather than take risk. Now for most of us
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who are lucky enough, you know, to live in the
modern world and have basic safety around us, it's healthier
for us to be willing to take risk. So you
actually have to override that ancient wiring of the brain
which says no don't go and like you know, fly
to London and try to have meetings with lots of
different people who may not want to meet you. Stay
in LA because that's safer and you've got your community
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around you and you know, you know, you've got a
big network. So for you to say, well, I'm going
to go to a news I know it's not it
was your home. But in terms of like recent work,
you know, kind of take a bit of a risk,
take a week out there. You know, see who I
can interview. That is you overriding that part of your
brain that might say it would just be easier for
me to stay in LA. So it's as simple as that.
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It can obviously be a lot harder than that as well,
but it's understanding that your brain will do quite a
lot to stop you from taking risk. It's two and
a half times as strongly wired to avoid risk as
it is to gain reward. And do that part again,
it's two and a half times more strongly wired to
avoid risk than is to get a reward. Wow. It's
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about believing that there are enough resources out there for
everyone and that by you know, perhaps entering a new
career pool or a new community of people that it
doesn't mean that you're likely to fail if you've managed
to be in an abundant state, because what that does
in the brain is it moves the brain away from
the fear and shame kind of states which correlate with
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the stress hormone cortisol, to the love and trust and
joy and excitement states which correlate with the bonding hormone oxytocin. Now,
when your brain is in that state, it's much more
likely to take a healthy risk. It's much more likely
to ask someone for a favor. We were talking about,
you know, asking each other for favors. Before, you wouldn't
do that. If you thought, well, don't ask j because
you'll just shut you down, then you would never ask anyone.
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But if you start a conversation and someone looks like
they want to be generous and help you, then you know,
you go into that oxytocin mode. But you need to
be pushing yourself into that mode as much of the
time as you can. So the second one is manifestation,
which is believing that with your abundant resources you can
do things in the real world that mean that whether
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it's that feeling if I do what I love or
it's an actual house that you have it in your
capability to make that happen, because of course, if you
believe it will never happen for me, one of these
common statements that's likely to become true. That's manifestation too,
it's just negative manifestation. And it's important to say that
both manifestation and the process of neuroplasticity, which I will
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describe in detail, which is how your brain changes to
allow you to grow and grasp new opportunities, they both
have a good side and a bad side. And the
classic example of a bad side of neuroplasticity is obsessing
over an X after a breakup, because what you're saying
to your brain is this is what people do. You know,
you trust them, and then they leave you, and you
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just remind yourself of all the times that you should
have seen the signs, and then you know all the
times that it went wrong. That's also inducing neuroplasticity and
potentially manifestation in your brain, because if you don't make
a change after that, your relationship pattern will stay the same,
and you'll reinforce it further with more breakups and more
you know, sort of choices of partners aren't ideal for you.
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The third one is the magnetic desire that I already discussed,
which means that it has to be really authentic to you,
but also aligned in simple terms in your head, your heart,
and your gut. But in the Source, I talk about
six ways of thinking, which are logical, emotional, physical, intuitive, motivational,
and creative. So if you think of something that you
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want and you ask yourself in six different questions, you know,
why do I want this? Logically? Why do I want it? Intuitively?
And you can get a really good answer to those,
then it's likely that you know you will be able
to manifest that. Then there's patience, which is to do
with neuroplasticity. So until we had sophisticated scanning technologies, a
lot of this work, cognitive science work was all thought
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to be psychological rather than neurological. So it would kind
of be like, oh, you know, Jay, not mentally strong enough,
you gave up too quickly, and it would kind of
infer an intangible psychological weakness that is kind of your fault.
And I think that's another criticism of manifestation as well,
that if it doesn't work, then there's something wrong with
you if you understand that it's actually physical work. When
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you're changing something, when you're striving for something, you're actually
connecting up neurons or nerve cells in your brain that
weren't connected previously. You may even be growing new nerve
cells from little embryonic you know, baby nerve cells that
then connect up with ones that already exist. And you
may also be adding an insulating coat around existing neural
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pathways to make them faster, to make them more efficient.
So the patient's piece is because a lot of hard
work goes on, you know, that feeling of I'm trying
to manifest but nothing's happening. That's in the patient's piece,
because when you get to a critical mass of neurons
that have created a new pathway that is stronger than
the where you had before. So let's say it's just
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the things like that never happened for me. Pathway changes
to a well, actually, I've seen Jay do it, so
maybe it could happen for me. Pathway that takes a
lot of effort. But once you get to the critical
mass of enough neurons, suddenly it feels like everything's easy
and everything's manifesting, and I do feel like people have
to get a taste of that before, you know, at
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least once with a quick win, to have the courage
to take it to the next level.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Our next clip is from my good friend Big Sean rapper,
entrepreneur and mental health advocate. Now he explains how to
shift your mindset that feeling a sense of acceptance of
where you are isn't giving up, it's preparing you for
what's next. He breaks down the importance in understanding the
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difference between chasing and attracting energy to unlock your true power.
If you're someone who's struggling to overcome your difficult past
and don't know how to move forward, this clip is
for you. This idea that your journey only begins when
you accept that where you are is your starting point,
that your experience have made you exactly who you're meant
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to be, with the skills, the talents, the gifts. So
if someone's sitting and listening and going Sean, that's so
hard for me to accept that I am where I
need to be because my life's just been full of
you know, the worst, horrible, difficult things. How do I
accept and start from there? What would you say to them?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I would say that I understand some people's lives are
not ideal. I'm someone who has seen that experience that
can relate to that firsthand. And what I can say
is that when you accept it, that doesn't mean that
you are giving up. Those are two different things. Accepting
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it just means Okay, I'm ready to go somewhere else,
and I'm thinking for all that all of this has
taught me, all of this has brought me. I accept
where I'm at, but I know I'm made for something else.
I know I'm made to go to go higher, right,
but no, but really I'm made to be somewhere else
in the world, you know. And I think that until
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you accept that, you can't move forward because you're just
in the middle of it. And I think when you
accept something, that's how you get ahead of it.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like it's the resistance
to acceptance that blocks.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Us exactly right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's like when we're said, yeah, when we're fighting, we're
going in the opposite direction. It's like it's telling you
it's going in this direction and you're trying to force
it to go in the other direction. And that's what's
causing tension and accepting it means, like you said, not
that you're giving up and you're like, all right, well
I just do what you want. It's going No, this
is how it's flowing. Now what am I going to do?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
There's always a like thread of where you are to
where you desire to be at, no matter and what situation,
there's never not a way, or else you wouldn't feel it,
or else you wouldn't be have a desire for it,
but it wouldn't even be in your consciousness, you know
what I mean. Like I don't have a desire to
go to Saturn because that's just not in my thing, right,
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But I have a desire to the things that I've
had a desire to.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I always knew that there was a way.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
So always know that no matter what opportunity you're in
against the impossible odds or against odds, you know, whatever
it is, you always have your way to get to
where you are. There's always a thread leading you, and
there are maybe multiple threads. So never be down and
out and think that it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's really not.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I mean, Mission Impossible is a movie that where he
defines impossible.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Missions, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
But my point is is like there's nothing that's impossible
for you. It's all meant for you, and it's up
to you.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
One of my favorite quotes is, every day I wake up,
I'm one day closer to death. So what you're gonna
do with the time you got left? It's like, understand
that this is our time right now, The moment is now,
these moments, we only have the moment. So a lot
of us live in the future and a lot of
us live in the past, and that's something that we
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have to get out of the habit of. And I
think when you accept where you are, you're kind of
letting go of that and making an action plan to
putting your attention on your intention. And you, of course
you have an idea of where you would like to be.
But God doesn't always give us what we want. God
gives us what we need, and sometimes those are the
same thing, and sometimes they're not. Yea, and it all
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works out, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, for sure. What's the you know, when you're manifesting
as we're talking about this, like finding your path, what's
the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Oh boy, attracting energy and chasing energy? Well, like I said,
when you're chasing something, you're already implementing the energy of
it running away from you, you know what I mean.
And I to say you can't get it, but it's
a lot of effort to chase something. It's like even
police on a high speed chase, it's like they might
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have to crash into other cars and they're chasing you.
And when you attract something, it's you are using the
powers that have been granted to you from God, universe,
whatever you call it or believe in of it magnetizing
to you.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And you have that power.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
It's been the power that's been you know, we use
it on a level, on small levels every day, even
if you just set it into hey i'm today, I
need to take a shower.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's literally you set a goal, you did it, It's done.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
You can do that on a scale of anything that happens.
And some things may take a lot more time than others.
You know, we have these ideas and expectations we set
for ourselves, but that's on us, you know, that's our ego.
Sometimes that's our our you know, once and desires and
our minds sometimes getting the best of us. And I
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think that things do take time. But there's always a way,
and you know it's you can never count yourself out.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
What's been the most difficult thing you've ever had to accept?
Speaker 5 (31:17):
The most difficult thing that I've ever had to accept
is that the things that I can't control, I used
to let the things that I can't control control me.
Give an example, let how someone perceives your art. As
an artist, like Eric Abadu says, we're emotional about our shit.
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You know, I think she said something like that. That
never changes. But you can't control how someone perceives you.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
All you can do is put first of all, to
make something, to write something, to have an idea and
it actualize it. Is like that is really the wind
for real. I'm not just saying that, like that is like,
come on, you know what I mean. You literally manifested something,
how people consume it. If you impact anyone, you that's
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literally a bonus to it. You know, that's why we
do it. But that's that's you literally changed in the world.
So one thing I've had to accept is like, yeah,
how people like I can't control what people think of me,
their perceptions of me, And when I try and control that,
it takes me off.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Of my path that I'm on where I need to go,
you know.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
So that's that's that is something hard, and you have
to separate, like that said, that power of separation, of
doing what you love to do and not tie it
into how people perceive it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Those are two separate things.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Which is so hard, so hard, And I loved what
you said that when you get fixated on what other
people think of you, you're just getting distracted from your path.
Of course, now you play energy on and then you
might even shift what you're doing to try and appease them,
and then they still won't like it. And that's the
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craziest part, right, You do what you want and they
don't like it, and then you do what they want
and they still don't last, right, and then you don't
know who you are anymore and no one likes it,
and you don't like it either, and you end up
not liking yourself trying to get everyone else to like you.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's where you don't want to be at, and that's
where you don't want to be at.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
And then you're kind of like back to a square one,
you know, position of like okay, having to re establish
yourself and you know you got to be right with
yourself first. So you nailed it right on the head man,
It's like, you know you can't, you can't really do
you live your life for other people. I always say
that's a business you'll never be successful at as the
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business of trying to please everyone. And then when you
do please everyone, it's like, are you pleasing yourself?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
It's a hard it's a hard lesson as well for people.
Next up is one of my best friends, Will Smith,
Award winning actor, producer, rapper, and entrepreneur, and he talks
about the double edged sword of discipline and manifestation. This
is for those of you who are starting to see
some success, You're starting to make the right moves and
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you want to stay on track. Will explores the connection
between intense focus and creating your reality. If you're someone
who's using discipline to seek validation or prove something that
can be dangerous and ultimately serve no real purpose. Even
with fame and success, a lack of inner grounding can
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leave you unfulfilled if you're really wanting to use your
discipline for real manifestation. This next clip explains the importance
of building a strong spiritual foundation and why true manifestation
comes from trust and faith, not force or pressure. Sometimes
we feel momentum, but we're acting out of fear more
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than love and growth.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
When you look at the athletes, right, there's a certain
extreme mindset that you I was gonna say you have
to take on. I don't know that you have to
take it on. What I do know is that in
this society we worship that mindset that.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
It's the can you become Michael Jordan without that mindset?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
You know?
Speaker 6 (35:32):
And that is a that is a really powerful, difficult question.
It's like most people can't sustain the mindset that you know,
fortunately because it's it can be so destructive. But most
people can't sustain that level of discipline to manifest the
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things that they want in their life. And there's just
a there's a poisonous edge to that kind of discipline.
And I've been to the edge of that kind of
material world discipline in my mind, and I can tell
you you can have a whole lot of stuff and
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be miserable out there on that edge. And I found
a much more comfortable and productive space in my life.
And you still need that discipline, yes, but it it's
like when you're when you use that kind of power
to achieve things, It's like there's a there's a there's
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a brutal reckoning. Yeah, there's a brutal reckoning at the
at the end of that.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
The amazing thing about you is you've been on that
path in that direction. I think people sometimes see these
flips where they're like, oh, yeah, now that you are
rich and successful and famous, now you're going this way.
But actually, from all conversations and how you've shared with
the family or even when we've worked with some of
the friends in your life, it's like, this has actually
been a long process. This isn't just ten twelve months.
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This isn't just a couple of years. This has planted
a seed from your grandmother through your whole life. Always
be reminded of it. To study spiritual paths, world religions,
to study philosophies like this is just a long process.
Tell me about that belief your grandmother had in you,
and tell me a bit about how she planted that
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deep seed. Because I think what you said at the
beginning that we need that example. I think everyone if
they really reflected, there'd be someone in their life, either
indirectly or directly, but sometimes we forget them. But when
we've been talking to everything, your grandmother has been such
a pivotal figure. I'd love for you to share what
you think she did that was so powerful, because maybe
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there are some parents listening today and brothers and sisters
and grandmothers and grandparents are listening today and they'll be
able to do that for their children and grandchildren.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
My father, my mother, and my grandmother. Whenever I think
about the three of them, I picture a triangle in
my mind, and I see, like my father was the
base as discipline, and my mother didn't care about anything
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but education like that you had to learn, grow, study,
travel like my you know, my mother was really serious
about educating the mind. And my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Was love and God.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
My grandmother was that grandmother at Resurrection Baptist Church, and
she had you know, we were during our Eastern recitations
and we was in the Nativity, you know, So she
was that, she was that grandmother at the church, and
her life was deeply devoted to God and Jesus in
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the form of loving service. Right, so the form that
it took was she was working hard to love everybody.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I remember my grandmother bringing homeless people into our house
when we were little and washing them in our bathtub.
I thought that was the nastiest thing.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
O aha.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
But she would be in the bathroom with her hands
washing homeless people, you know. And as a child, it
was like no. But as I grew older, I just
I just saw how dedicated and devoted she was to
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living her life in service. It took me fifty years
to figure you know, to figure out what the secret
of that was, you know, but it's it was, there
was There wasn't there was a day of her life
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that wasn't devoted to uh, loving and serving, you know.
And I just watched her. She worked the graveyard shift
at the hospital, and she watched us, my brothers and
sisters during the day while my parents were at work,
you know. And then when my parents got off work,
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then she went she would take a little nap, and
then she would go to work at the hospital, you know.
And she was the just the happiest person that I
had ever met. Nothing facer.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
She was okay.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
And I remember I was about twelve, and I had
started rapping, and you know, so I had my rap books,
I had all my all my little curse words and
everything in my wrap book. And she found my wrap
book and she never said anything, and she just opened
the cover and she wrote a letter to me, Dear Willard,
(41:10):
Truly intelligent people do not have to use words like
this to express themselves. God has given you the gift
of words. Be sure to use those words to uplift people.
And you know, I was, I was sitting, I was
reading that and just love Gigi. And you know that
(41:34):
was part of the reason why I never used profanity
in any of my music. And it was like she
missionized me in that way to make sure that what
I was doing was uplifting others. You know. And when
(41:55):
you're telling stories, you can always find the part of
the story that is a gift for the potential upliftment
of somebody that will see it.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Now, I want to share a few takeaways with you.
Manifestation isn't just about wishful thinking. It's about healing from
what's holding you back. Whether you're just starting your self
worth journey or deep into it, every step counts and
it continues to be a process for the rest of
your life. Remember you're not behind, You're exactly where you
(42:25):
need to be to create what's next. If this episode moved,
you share it with someone who needs to hear they
are worthy of the life they want. If you love
this episode, you love my interview with Will Smith on
owning your truth and unlocking the power of manifestation.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Anybody who hasn't spoken to their parents or their brother,
call them right now. Don't think you're going to have
a chance to call them tomorrow or next week. That
opportunity with my father changed every relationship in my life.
Host
Jay Shetty
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