Selena Gomez ON: Befriending Your Inner-Critic & How to Speak to Yourself With More Compassion

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's blessing in the breaking, even if it's just road
rage as simple as that to maybe losing someone that
you love. There is no perfect way to heal.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, to number one
health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every
one of you that come here every week to become happier, healthier,
and more healed. And you know that. I love sitting
down with guests who allow us into their lives, who
allow us into their journeys to understand more, to help
us not feel alone, to help us feel connected in

(00:39):
our pain and in our purpose, and to recognize that
we have so much more in common and that when
we work together we can truly find the light in
our lives. Now, today's guest is someone who I believe
does this with every step, every word, and everything she
takes on in her life. I've had the fortune of
getting to know her over the last few years, and

(01:01):
I can honestly say that not only is she one
of the most genuine and kind hearted people I know,
she's also just one of the most loving and soulful
people who truly wants to change lives. I have to
start the episode by saying this, I believe today's guest
is someone who's extremely on purpose. I'm speaking about the
one and only Selena Gomez, one of the most globally

(01:23):
and culturally celebrated artists, actors, producers, entrepreneurs, and most importantly,
I know to her philanthropists of her generation. As a
recording artist, Selena has sold more than two hundred and
ten million singles worldwide and as over forty five billion
global streams. Her upcoming biographical documentary, which I want you

(01:44):
to go and see, Selena Gomez, My Mind and Me,
is out right now. I got to see it earlier.
I'll tell you all about it. And in twenty nineteen,
Selila launched her beauty line, Rare Beauty, exclusively with Sephora.
As part of the partnership, Gomez announce the Rare Impact
Fund pledging to raise This is Outstanding pledging to raise

(02:05):
one hundred million dollars for mental health services for individuals
in underserved communities. Philanthropy and activism have been key pillars
of Selena's career, and she's used her platform to advocate
for many important causes. Selena has raised millions of dollars
for charity, including Global Citizen and the Lupus Reatus Research Alliance.

(02:26):
Please welcome to the show. Selena Gomez, Selena, it is
so wonderful to be with you.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
That was so nice. I felt very like emotional, and
I felt so I felt so honored. Thank you for
saying those kind words.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I meant every word. I think. Whenever I've sat with you,
We've always had a conversation about purpose. Ye always had
a conversation about service, always had a conversation that's reflective.
But I wanted to start with this because we are
going to talk about lots of deep and meaningful things today. Yes,
but I also wanted to start with this because it's
my first memory of meeting you. And you've you've probably

(03:03):
forgotten this, but at least for me. Here we go, okay,
so you'd come over for dinner. There's the first time
we met, and I remember that we were about to eat.
My wife had made dinner for us, and we say
a prayer before we eat. But the prayer is chanted
and sung somewhat in Sanskrit, which is a language that

(03:26):
a lot of prayers are in for my practice, and
I remember having to do it in front of you,
and then after it's opening my eyes and go I
just had to sing in front of.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Actually, do remember.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
You were like, I don't know if I should sing
in front of you, like please, I thought it was beautiful.
I thought it was amazing. And also just to say
the food was incredible. I remember that more than anything.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I love that well. I wanted to start off by
just saying to you that I truly believe that this
documentary is so special. Genuinely, it's powerful, it's inspiring, and
it's the work that we so deeply need right now.
And your voice in the conversation, the global conversation around

(04:15):
well being and mental health is the most powerful voice
there is. It really is. Thank you, and so when
you put out a piece like this and you let
us in, it only strengthens the conversation across the world.
And that's something that you're doing. So I want to
just start off by saying that from the bottom of
my heart, I'm so grateful to you.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Thank you for saying that. I think that is a
huge part of why I decided to release it after
having an internal battle, I mean daily at one point
maybe I shouldn't do this, Maybe I shouldn't release it,
and this is too honest, This is too much of
myself until I realized that ultimately it was meant for

(04:58):
something bigger. It was just about me, it was about
other people, and it took a life of its own
and became what it is now, which I'm still nervous about.
I'm still anxious about, but I think releasing it is
a huge healing, a healing process for me, and it's

(05:19):
me letting go of that version of myself.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Wow, that's so powerful to hear that. I mean, when
I hear you say that that, I feel like you're
one of these people that you serve in order to
heal and you give in order to let go. And
that's such a beautiful cycle because I think often we
think when we're going through things that the more insular

(05:43):
we go, right, But you're someone who opens up, yeah
and says, here it is.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I think, you know, being in moments of my life,
whether it was my health or personal life, friendships, relationships,
I feel like giving myself completely to something is just
the best way I can love. But I never wanted
the pain that I endured to put some sort of

(06:08):
guard on myself and armor, if you will, and I
never I never let that happen because I still believe,
and I still hope. I hope for love, and I
hope for healing, and I hope for change, and I
never want to lose that. Of course, there are days
where I feel so far away, but I would rather

(06:30):
continue to get my heart broken than to not feel
at all.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's the greatest sign of strength. I mean, that is
such a powerful statement. And I think with a statement
like that, you're encouraging so many people to feel heard.
I mean, I think most of us feel far away
from those things, right, and we're scared to admit that.
I mean, you start the documentary with the promise of
I'm going to share my darkest secrets. And when I

(06:55):
heard that, I thought, wow. I was thinking, Selena, what
was Why is that when we share our doc what
happens when we share our darker secrets? Not just for you,
but for any of us? When you're with your friends,
when you're with your families, Like, what does that do?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
I think at first it's frightening, but I feel like
if you surround yourself with people who support you and
love you, you have to be careful with who you share
your story with. I think that can be dangerous sharing
something that maybe was really hurtful. Or sharing a story
about your internal struggles to someone who may not be

(07:31):
giving you the right advice or guiding you another way
that will only lead you to more pain is scary.
So first and foremost, I would say making sure you
surround yourself with great people, and then I would say,
learn everything there is to learn once it's out. Once
you say okay, I'm dealing with depression, then find out
every single thing you can about what that means. And

(07:54):
when you have a relationship with depression as opposed to
allow it to keep sinking and inside of you, it's
a little bit more freeing. I think. To understand yourself better,
I want to know what triggers me. I want to
know why I get depressed, and start asking yourself questions
to open up yourself instead of you know, it's easier

(08:18):
so than done, though, I should say, but instead of
you know, keeping it in, I find that the biggest
reward is letting it go.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah. I think there's that statement in the documentary that
says you said your mom would always say if you're
afraid of something, learned more about it, and then your
fear will go away or something. According to those.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
She definitely did that. When I was younger, I lived
in Texas and we were huge with the tornado scene.
That was what was happening, and I was terrified. So
I would bring like a cross, and I'd bring like
a big pillow and I'd lay in my bathtub because
that's what I googled is supposedly going to help. And
my mom would just kind of smile at me. And

(08:59):
she next day, remember, she got me a bunch of
books and it was all about thunderstorms and different clouds
and formations and all this stuff, and she just told me,
She's like, it's not that scary, you know, it's especially
when you know that it's just a part of the world.

(09:20):
And I guess they are still scary, but now I
understand what happens.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
And yeah, but I love how you're applying that to depression,
You're applying that to different things in your life.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I completely agree with. I mean, my favorite thing that
I say in the documentary is that I have bipolar.
I just I learn how to live with it and
I just have made it my friend, because that's truly
what it can be to me.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Now, Yeah, and tell us about that process of when
you first discover something like that. Like you said, it's
easier so than done. The voices are so loud, there's
so much inner judgment, you know, are inner critic is
so painful to live with. And now when you're saying,
I'm trying to welcome making it a friend, which is
a beautiful transition, tell us a bit about that journey

(10:06):
of in a critic to in a friend. Well.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
To be honest, I've been to for treatment centers and
I have a lot of opinions on you know, rehabs
if you will, or in places to go. There's a
lot that I don't agree with. But what I will
say is throughout all of it learning lessons through dialectical

(10:30):
behavior therapy or cognitive behavioral therapy, there's something that's always
been embedded in me throughout all of those different moments
in my life, and that was always to recognize when
something was happening to me accepting it. And I think

(10:51):
once I realized that this was something that wasn't going
to go away, This wasn't something that was going to
be fixed by going to these places, it was more so,
what can I know about myself? Okay? If I kind
of go down this road, I'm going to get triggered,
and I know that feeling and I know how to

(11:13):
avoid it. However, I go to therapy. I also have
you know, medication that I fully am on that I
believe in fullheartedly, and it helps me stay balanced. But
I still have to deal with it, you know. I
still have days that are pretty low and moments that

(11:35):
I'm just too over the top and I'm like, I
want to buy everyone a house and I want to
save the world. But I just have learned to kind
of understand it. And the best part about that is
also my family and friends learning how to live with
it too. They can be great friends to me in
that way, and that took a lot of time as well.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, No, these are such you know, I know that
you do so much work in this space, but today
when I'm hearing you share all these insights and they
genuinely are insights, they're so powerful because even you just
saying like I had to realize that I don't have
to fix it, or that it's not going to go away,
Like these things make difficult things livable with right, And

(12:20):
when we look at the seasons or we look at
the weather, it's like, you know, it's going to rain
one day, and you know it's going to be dark
one day, and you know it's going to be sunny
another day. And when you know that, you stop trying
to fight it and change it. Yeah, you can accept it,
which it sounds from what I'm hearing from you.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean it's taken me a long time. It's
that's not six years, that's probably ten years in reality.
But really it's really been interesting, and I feel better
and I feel great now that I can talk about it.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah. Yeah, the thing you keep mentioning today is letting go.
And I think all of us are trying to know
how to let go of old selves, old parts of ourselves,
or parts that don't serve us anymore. And I remember
when I lived as a monk, some of the areas
that we'd live in there were often we'd come across

(13:12):
a lot of snake skin, and we'd always use snakes
as an analogy of how we leave behind. So snakes
don't break out, they don't rip their skin off, they
slither out, and their skin just kinds of like falls away,
and then we would naturally not find snakes, thankfully, and
find the skin. But that analogy always like, really resonated

(13:33):
with me. The idea that when we're shedding, when we're
letting go, it's not an aggressive process. How did you
learn to become compassionate and calmer with yourself because at
first we can really feel like we're trying to break
something off.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, I think I tend to blame myself when I
can't let something go. I feel maybe something is my fault,
or I should have done more of this or less
of that, and it starts to become, you know, just
like a really I kind of turned sad. One thing

(14:09):
I've noticed when I watched the documentary back for the
first time, I didn't even recognize that girl anymore. And
it broke my heart because I was talking about my
body and my image and I just hate that I
ever felt those feelings. And I think because I have

(14:29):
a younger sister, there's been this huge responsibility given to
me in a way that has helped me. And I
say this about my fans as well, or people that
have grown with me. I've almost had to get back
up every time, more so for them than myself. And

(14:51):
that's something I've learned to really understand. It's healthy to
want to be strong for other people, but I needed
to recognize I needed to be strong for myself. And
that took a while, and it took things like making
myself uncomfortable and changing my my thought process, changing the

(15:13):
things I watch on TV, changing the music I'm listening to,
little things that I can adjust that will perhaps change
my mood or make me feel better instead of worse.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know, it is some of these small things, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh my gosh, I love scary movies, but I can't
watch them all the time. I'm like happy, and I'm like, guys,
let's watch a scary movie everyone, So why why on
earth do you want to do that right now? And
you're kind of like, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Do they manage to persuade you?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, most of the time. But it was Halloween, so
I got by way for a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
You did what did you end up? What? Oh?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
We watched Halloween. We watched Freddy Krueger Nightmare on Elm Street.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Which one ruins your mood the worst? Like?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Which one makes oh my goodness, probably like hereditary, something
really dark? But it was it was fun. It was Halloween.
We were just celebrating.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah. I always call it Cliffhanger chemicals. Oh yeah. I
feel like when we watch things that put us in
the states of anxiety, yeah, or stress, we release all
these Cliffhanger chemeras and now you're like, well, why can't
I sleep? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Exactly, why am I having.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Rather these like that? So my wife's like that, h
she can't. I have to. She always gets really excited
to watch things like that. Yeah, I'm like, Raley, we
can't do this because you would not let me sleep
for the rest of the night. So funny. Yeah, but
I think it's really beautiful to hear you said there's
these little changes, because I think that's what people feel
hardest to change. And I think when I watched the documentary,

(16:44):
the greatest challenge you really empathize with is having to
do this when every time you're in a car, and
then every time you get out the car, there's cameras,
there's people, there's opinions, there's you know, that's something very
few people can relate to. But I think what's so
brilliant about how the documentary's made is that you really
feel like we're living that with you. Yeah, and so

(17:06):
you're like, wow, even though I can't relate to what
Selina is going through. I can understand how it must
be really challenging and really stressful. And so what's it
like having to deal with all of this that all
of us are dealing with too, but you're dealing with
it with an added layer of you know, exposure.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah. To be honest, I don't know any different. Yeah,
that's what's really scary. Sometimes I think that's really sad,
and other times I just think, well, this is what
I've been given, and this is the path that I
want to continue to walk in. And I know any
moment I can, you know, quit and walk away. And

(17:45):
you know, that's just not really how I was raised
to be. So maybe if it had happened to me
later in life, I would have had a different outcome.
But because I was raised in and I really had
to learn learn the hard way and how to deal
with it, on how to not give if you will,

(18:07):
that click bait that people want. And I mean I
think I do. I do my best to try and
eliminate these negative stories or this or other people illustrating
my journey. It just I interrupt them with my truth.
And that's what I will always continue to do. And
that's what this documentary does as well. It's going to

(18:31):
be me taking control of my story and no one
can change that or say any different.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I actually, I'm so glad you addressed that because I've
always found that with you, that you always lead with love,
even in those areas, and I always am so in
admiration of that and in awe of that because I
see that whenever there's a narrative, that, whenever there's any narrative,
your choice will always be the lead with love and
inject love into that and to recaliber. When did you

(19:00):
find the strength to start taking control of that narrative,
because I think that's an amazing skill that today people
need it more than ever. But yeah, when did you
start developing the confidence around that needing to do that?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I would probably say I started beginning to gain that
confidence when I went through a breakup, and that's something
that was super public, But all of those things that
I had felt so bad about myself and just so
terrible every day, I wanted to debunk those feelings. I

(19:38):
wanted to take control over that narrative because I did
feel that way. But the greatest gift I got from
all of that was me actually being honest with people,
sharing my story and gaining the confidence to know I

(19:58):
am enough and I actually work really hard at being
a good person, and I know I'm a great person,
and when people paint these unnecessary stories, it actually gives
me pleasure to just combat it with love, like you said,
or kindness.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think it's it's actually fun for me because it's
it is who I am. I don't I can't waste
my time if I'm to be honest with everyone in
this room, I don't want to waste my time being
upset or taking in all of the negative things that
I hear online. And I don't even hear it. It's

(20:39):
it's just what it gets really bad other people tell me.
And then I see in humane things happening and people
talking negatively about other women, and it just drives me
absolutely crazy. And I think I'll just always be that
kind of person. And I would say I'm grateful for
my past because it's made me a lot stronger.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah. Well, I want I want you to know that,
you know, we we see you for that like it
is it is. Whenever you do that, I am completely
mind blown because it requires so much self assurance. It
requires so much commitment to your truth and then also

(21:21):
for for everyone else. So thank you so much for
leading the way even in that like other thing like no,
it's so hard to do, it's so easy to it's
so easy to be defensive. And you've found because it's
your truth, you've found a way of sharing your truth
without making it defensive.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Of course, that's I mean, thank you. I don't know
if I intentionally do it, but it works really well.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
So I'm sticking to it. Yeah, stick to it, don't
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One of the things that comes through in the documentary
is we're just getting full access, Like that's what it feels,
right like full access at all times, and we get
to see all of your relationships, and you get to
see the relationships that are long term, you get newer relationships,
you get all these different people who are interacting with you,

(25:44):
and they're interacting with you in every element, Like we
get to see you straight after an interview, straight before
an interview, and I could tell there was a time
when you feel a bit of angst because you get
asked poor questions or like you know, and I could
see that in you, and that really hit me because
the reason we set up this conversation, this podcast in

(26:07):
the first place was I was hoping that it would
be a place where people like yourself could share your
true purpose and seeing you share on screen just how
hard it can be to deal with, just does it
minimize the work you're trying to do. What happens? Tell
me what happens when you're asked?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I actually just feel it like insulted. Sometimes I sit
in what I work. I mean, I work so hard.
I love what I do. I love my job. I
love talking about my job. There's different facets of my
job that I love talking about for different reasons. And
when I sit down and I have to do press

(26:46):
from you know, starting at eight a m. Till you know,
whenever the night ends, it's frustrating. You want to spend
that time talking about meaningful, meaningful moments. And I just
I wanted that to be in the documentary because I
felt like, I know that a lot of artists, maybe

(27:09):
not everyone, but I know a lot of artists and
people in my position feel that way. And I hope
that it will only you know, maybe shift that a
bit and maybe stop asking people what word you associate
with marshmallow, and maybe ask them how they're doing, you know,
maybe just having a bit of an inspiration to do

(27:32):
more and be better and Yeah, it actually is pretty
crazy because that happens.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, it is really weird. Yeah, and it's interesting because
I feel like there's such a trend that's been created
about asking people clickbaity buzzy, you know, moment questions, and
then you think, well, but this is a human totally
with emotions and ideas and views, and I think often
people think, oh, well, I've only got them for ten minutes,
I better ask them all this stuff, but you forget

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that there's a whole person behind that. The documentarily humanizes you.
What parts of you did? You really want people to
understand better or see more that you think they haven't
been able to see over time.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Just I guess where I was meant to be In
the beginning, it really made me kind of sad. I
wanted it to be a documentary that was really fun
and about me doing this big tour, and instead I
felt so bad because we were filming these really intense

(28:37):
moments and then I had to stop filming. And I
think I really ultimately wanted people to realize that I'm
not really that put together. I can be, and I
feel much better now, but I don't want people to
ever look at me and think she has it all
and she's figured it out and she is is, you know,

(29:01):
perfect or whatever. I hope no one thinks that, But
I just don't ever want to be that kind of
public figure. I want to be someone that hopefully could
be a friend, that could just disarm you from the
celebrity esque part of it. I just want to be
someone that people can genuinely walk up to it and say, hey,

(29:24):
I kind of I understand what you walk through. I
did too, and have a conversation with.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, why is that important? Why do you think it's
important that. I guess for a long time your people
did consider celebrity to be perfect, or maybe it was
portrayed that way. Sometimes maybe it wasn't. But why do
you think it's important for people to see that no
one in the world, including me, anyone we're talking about,
there's no one who's perfect. But why is that so important?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's important to me because I felt like I had
to be when I was you know, when I was
going through relationships, I felt like I had to be
a certain way. That's why in twenty sixteen, I was
talking about my body and talking about my appearance and
talking about how Oh, everyone's going to see me as

(30:13):
this Disney kid. No one's going to take me seriously
all of those moments. That's kind of where Yeah, that's
where all the confusion came from for me.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, no, that does make sense. That's a really
fascinating answer, because yeah, it's almost like you've had to
live that way. Yeah, and then you're kind of unpacking
it for everyone and breaking down that image that's created.
And I think that definitely comes across one of the
things that stood out to me in that unpacking of

(30:47):
the perfection element that you're talking about. We're so scared
of imperfection because it reveals there's parts of us that
are not ideal by some external comparison or by some
internal trigger or some past experience where we we have

(31:09):
that feeling. How do you now deal with your imperfections, Like,
how do you feel about parts of you that are
not perfect?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'm okay with that. I actually think a lot of
who I am are just a few things that are
not perfect, even down to my laugh. Sometimes I used
to be insecure about my laugh, or you know the
fact that I'll always talk during a movie, or you know,

(31:39):
I always do something minuscule, and I think little things
like that make me happy because I feel like everybody
else in the world, you know, recent for example, a
very small example, but Halloween, I was a banana and
I and I genuinely just like got the cheapest outfit,

(32:01):
put it on and roam around Times Square with my
friends and have the best time. And everyone kept sending
me these memes because every everybody else kind of went
all out and maybe I could have painted my face
and done a little more, but everyone looked really sexy
and fun and literally I was a banana. That's basically

(32:25):
sums up who I am to a tea and it
was that to me means that I don't have to
be perfect all the time.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I'd rather be that girl.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, And how does that apply to work? Like, how
does that perfectionist mindset work in terms of like music
or creation or acting? Like, because that's beautiful in your
personal life. It sounds like there's this acceptance of you know,
we can be yeah, we can be more inflow. But
then how does that apply to like writing or creating

(32:56):
or building?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like, well, I think how I I don't Well, I
always say this in any session, there are no stupid questions.
I always have to say that out loud, because sometimes
I genuinely will think, well, what does this mean? And
how can I unpack this and create a song from this?
Or how do I unpack this scene and do the

(33:20):
best I can? You know, there are mistakes that happen
in the studio and on set that actually end up
becoming a part of it. You know, me messing up
a line actually ended up being funny and we kept
it in the show. Or you know, there's something I
said in a lyric that was wrong and it ends
up being the biggest hook that we've got. And I

(33:43):
look for those moments, Yeah, crave I crave those moments.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
That's a great example. I love all of those. Yeah,
And that's what feels like magic, right. It's when the
imperfection can somehow become a part of the process where
you're just like, wow, this actually feels like we got somewhere.
And so I think when we start I love that
idea applied both personally and professionally, because I think even

(34:09):
the parts of ourselves that we consider to be imperfect,
the parts of ourselves that we consider to be broken,
when you start seeing use in those when you start
seeing purpose.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
In those I always say that there's blessing in the
breaking and every moment that you encounter in your life,
even if it's just road rage as simple as that,
to maybe losing someone that you love. There is no
perfect way to heal, there's no perfect way of dealing

(34:44):
with something. It's more just how am I going to
be a better person? How am I going to make
the best choice for myself so that I don't end
up angry at that person on the highway, so that
I don't end up ruining my day because of what
someone to me on the four h five. You know,
I want to also say that how can I turn

(35:07):
something like losing someone I so dearly love into well,
how can I celebrate that person and the great things
that they're that they provided me or that they gave me.
That takes a lot of work, So I don't say
that lightly, but I try my hardest to do that,
and I try to have my friends hold me accountable

(35:28):
to reminding me, hey, let's try to flip this and
try to turn it into something else.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think what what I'm gathering from
listening to you is that again, it's you're not saying
I've arrived, and this is how I think. Now you're saying,
this is what I'm trying to practice, Like, this is
the this is the approach that I'm mining in my
own life.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
And absolutely this is practice. Every day is practice. I
even said it last night at the premiere. I was saying,
I don't I don't have anything out. I'm definitely not
like I'm sold, I'm good. It's it's more just this
is a continuation. My story is not done, and I

(36:10):
can't wait to find out what's going to happen next.
And doesn't mean it's going to be easy and sure
there's going to be bumps that happen, but I'm going
to learn how to live with them.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, as someone who's so committed to moving forward, what
did it feel like going back to like your school
and all these old places. I won't give away too
anybody in the documentary, you go visit, what does that
do well?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Going home is like to me, it's it's untainted territory.
It is safe, it is simple and kind. Where I'm from,
it is all about you know, being together, loving each other.
I go home and people are like, welcome home, Miss Gomez.

(36:53):
They're not you know, treating me any differently. And I
enjoy and I enjoy visiting you know what made me
who I am, and it always gives me a good
sense of like, Oh, I hope I can inspire people
from where I'm from, because there's not a lot to
do where I'm from, but I hope I can inspire

(37:14):
just one person to do something bigger than that.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Was there any particular place that you went back there
almost gave you a special feeling or something surprised you
that you're like, oh, I didn't think this was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, well, my snow cone place, I really I loved
that place. I would go with my dad all the
time and my cousin and we would get the pickle
snow cones with like you know, grape in it, and
it would just be so yummy and amazing, and it just,
you know, brought me back to when it would be
so hot in Texas and I was with my family

(37:46):
and we would just stop there and sit outside for
an hour and just talk and it was just the best.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. I love that. Yeah, that's that's great to hear.
I think there's always I have this park in my hometown.
It's called Broomfield Park, and it's it's still charming to me,
even though I don't think if anyone else went, I know,
but when I go back, I know where I used
to go and buy my my ice cream from, and
you know where the truck would be, and there's there's

(38:13):
all these special moments that you that almost but it
sounds like again like it sounds like it's not like
you're like, oh, I missed that. It's almost like that
was a part of me and it's a beautiful thing.
But now I'm happy to be new. And even today
when we were just walking over here and we were
talking about just you finding places that fuel you. Yeah,

(38:33):
and it seems like you've become open to saying okay,
it's okay that life is changing and transitioning, and there's
new places that feel more like home than old places.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I hate change, I really do. But I felt in
the past year, which is pretty just it's pretty new,
I have really really embraced the uncomfortableness of change. And
I think it's because I get so exhausted of the

(39:06):
same thing over and over again and it scares me.
But I did learn that my world can be bigger
by being in a different destination. I work on my
show Only Murders in the building. It's in New York
where I shoot, and I never I've never spent more

(39:28):
than a week or two in New York, and I'm
there for months. And just that alone was an uncomfortable,
you know, experience, But I loved it, and I loved
the friendships I made and the knowledge that I was gaining,
the people I was around the park and walking, and

(39:49):
just how like precious life is. It's celebrated, there's culture.
It just becomes addicting to want to put yourself in
these situations and see what happens. So I will say,
in the past year, I've felt more comfortable with change,
and I'm grateful for it, and I just I'm going

(40:10):
to continue to do that. I want that.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
How did you get comfortable with that discomfort? I guess
in the first place, if you're someone who said, you know,
like hated change, didn't like change, what I guess obviously
naturally work and everything like that, But was there something
internally where you're like, Okay, now I need to because
you've done this, You've done uncomfortable things your whole life, right, Definitely,
like you've had to do so many difficult things, whether
it's going on tour when you're young or transitioning careers,

(40:35):
You've constantly done uncomfortable things.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, but I think I had always kind of returned
to the same behavior and the same pattern of maybe, well,
I'm nervous of going out because I don't want to
be seen today, or I'm going to just stay in
because I feel anxious, or I don't want to go
out to that event because I don't want to get seen.
It just I was I was finding my self just

(41:01):
being terrified of the world, and that just isn't a
way of living. And it's easy to go do a
job because well, I'm with a bunch of people. They
helped me look good. I do my job, I smile,
and I'm done. But taking spontaneous trips or you know,
getting out and going to the Balboa Park, which is

(41:21):
a very simple park, just doing that kind of stuff
is necessary. And I noticed that New York really helped me.
It just really opened me up. The show is really great,
and I think being around a bunch of New Yorkers
it does something to you. Man, It's good.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah. Well, one of the biggest changes in atmosphere that
you talk about the documentary is you go to Africa, right,
and that's a that's a big change, definitely, you know,
even if it's a shorter period of time, but you
were still there for a.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
There for a week, yes, but I mean that definitely
wasn't the first time that I had taken trips in
the vein of wanting to go for a mission. And
it was one of the most beautiful moments of the
film for me because we actually thought we were just
going to make a quick little video about you know,

(42:14):
what we were there to do, and then we fell
in love with the people, We fell in love with
the story, and we started noticing that everywhere in the
world mental health is very, very real. It's very much
something that's affecting everyone. And then you kind of realize

(42:37):
that the world is a small place sometimes because you're
all kind of walking through pain and you're all looking
at things in a different way, but ultimately you all
want to be happy. And I felt like they inspired
me more than I could have done anything for them.

(42:59):
It was a really beautiful trip, and yeah, it was
one of my favorite moments of the film.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
People don't always understand how mental health exists ever in
the world. When you said that they're also experiencing mental health,
what was their experience of it compared to what we
would understand is our experience in the US.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
So yeah, Well, I was talking to a woman named
Betty and she was, you know, basically kind of the
person touring giving us the tour around the village and
the schools, and she was lovely. But when we stopped
to have a conversation, we just were sitting down and
she told me her story and how she was dealing

(43:37):
with suicidal thoughts and not how she went to a
lake and sat there for two weeks contemplating, not a
day or an hour of moment, it was two weeks.
And that was something that I felt floored by because

(44:00):
that's different. Obviously we can have those thoughts, but she
dismissed herself from everyone, and she had to find it
with herself when so many people don't need to walk
through that alone. But she did, and she did it well,
and she's proud of it. And now she is in
an incredible school and she is going to grow up

(44:22):
to be the best influence for her village, for her sisters,
for everyone that she's around. That's so so special, and
I'm just having those conversations as someone from across the world.
It's mind blowing. You don't really know what people are
walking through until you do stop and have a conversation

(44:42):
two weeks that I can't imagine that feeling what you
must be walking through for two weeks to just be
sitting there.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And did she feel the same from your deeper conversation
with her, did she feel the same feeling that a
lot of people do here where it's like I don't
know who to talk to and I don't know a
dono to trust.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
She thought that she needed to be everything for her family,
and she felt like she was letting them down, the
same thing of not feeling good enough, not feeling like
her being there would even be helpful. And you do
find the similarities in it, and that's how I felt
like I bonded with her.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
It's incredible, right a cross culture, cross world, to have
a human moment like that with someone. What purpose of
those missions played in your life in terms of, like
you said, this is not the first time you've been out,
and I'm sure it's not the last as well. It's
something that you want to continue to do. I mean,
there was a moment in the documentary where you don't
want to leave.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, I don't think I necessarily will always be broadcasting
when I'm taking these trips or wanting to do more
and help and travel. So I think that I will
probably have these quarterly or even just maybe once a year.
I kind of have to set time apart for that,

(46:05):
and I make it a priority just because I feel
personally that everyone is my brother and sister. We're all
here together, living being and you know, wanting to navigate
life together. And I want to continue to travel the
world and be able to spread some sort of message

(46:27):
or bring change in some form. I don't know something,
you know. I want to be able to continue to
always do something, and eventually, I do believe my life
will We'll end up being something along the lines of
doing the things that you do. You know, I got
a few more things to do first, but eventually, yes, well.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
You're already doing them. You know, you're already doing them.
And yeah, there's that moment. There's the moment in the documentary.
I think you're asked through a mirror envelope question, what
is the what is your greatest dream or your ultimate dream,
I think is the word, and this is exactly where
you say. You say, I want to find a way
to change lives, and I want to find a way

(47:12):
to impact lives. And I think when people think of
their ultimate dream, that's not the natural thing that comes
to their mind. When did serving When did helping others
become such a big understanding others as well? Because it's
not just I know you feel you're growing from these experiences.
When did that become an ultimate dream? Like when did that? Yea,

(47:33):
what was your dream as a little girl? And then
you know, how did that evolve?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
I think that I was just I was just going
to say my mom, I mean, from a very young age,
we didn't have a lot, but it didn't matter. It
was every Thanksgiving we were going to you know, we
would go and help out in soup kitchens and my
mom would talk to me about, you know, why we

(47:58):
were there and explain to me the way of the world,
and we would, you know, see really hard things and
Texas you know, can be very you know, very conservative,
and my mom would just break those barriers for me
and explain to me how beautiful people are and how
complicated and complex things are. About the world. She never

(48:21):
protected me in a way of not showing me the
bad things. She showed me everything. And that's what has
always been a part of my life. I mean down
to I'd be on set and I'd be talking to
the director and someone would come give me a water,
and if my mom noticed that he didn't say thank you,

(48:43):
she would just remind me gently in a way that
was like, hey, next time, be aware and be thankful.
And it's kind of like, oh, yeah, you're right, sorry, Mom,
but you're right, you are. You got to be aware
of people, and you have to be aware of what
people are walking through.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, I mean that's such a yeah, yeah no, And
it's such a I think that's such a beautiful message
to anyone who is growing up with a little bit
more in terms of anyone who's grown up even you know,
everyone goes through so many difficult things. But I felt
the same when I first went to India. I was
around nine years old when I first went to India,
and I remember we didn't have a lot growing up,

(49:22):
but we were still traveling to India. We were in
a car and you look out the window and you
see kids your age. I remember you know, just seeing
tons of kids my age on the streets and just
it was just, yeah, it just made me aware that
there was a whole other world out there of experience
that I only learned about later on. Yeah, but I

(49:43):
can agree with you more that when you feel like
you're a part, even a small part of the solution,
the problem starts to feel more within reach, right. And
I feel like sometimes when we pushed the problem away,
try and keep it out of sight, it just feels
bigger and harder and more difficult.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Absolutely ignoring it is not fun. I've done that before.
It just you end up coping in ways that you
never thought that you would, and you end up feeling
disappointed because you just you don't want to ever feel
like you're doing the wrong thing. I believe that everyone

(50:29):
deep down knows what's right and what's wrong. And when
you're at your rock bottom, if you will, because I
believe that everybody does eventually have one of those moments.
Hopefully it's just going to get lighter and lighter because
you can start to attack it in a way where

(50:51):
how do I approach this and figure out how to
get myself out of this state of mind? And I've
learned how to do that in the past few years,
and I'm really grateful for it. It's a choice sometimes.
But then I also hate when people say that, because
sometimes I genuinely wake up in a depressive state and

(51:13):
I can't get out of bed. But I allow myself
to have that day and just focus on things that
can make me feel better instead of pushing it away
and saying, no, it's fine, I'm going to go out,
I'm going to go do something, I'm going to go
get my adrenaline up. I'm going to ignore it and
ignore it and ignore it. It doesn't help at all.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, and you just said there that everyone goes through
a rock bottom moment, Like everyone goes through that in
their life in different ways. How have you become more
mindful of your fears and rock bottoms? Because I think
often we ask people like I look at your life
and I think you've You've gone through so many difficult things,
and you know, how do you deal with fears now?

(51:55):
Because we all still have fears, we all still have worries.
But I feel like you've found a way to become
mindful of those things and become a bit more prepared
for them.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Well, thank you. I think maybe you are seeing a
good side of me, because I have the hardest time
doing it.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
My fears are relatively you know, they're quieter. Maybe I
should say, you know, like for example, this documentary coming out,
I am still nervous. I'm nervous for the reaction, even
though I know that I have good intentions behind it.

(52:34):
I think that I just have to understand that my
fears are only going to continue to show me what
I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears,
the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom,
and I just want to keep doing that. And I
just hope to get better, hope to get smarter. I

(52:54):
hope to become stronger and be a great person.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah that's I mean, that's a phenomenal answer. And it's yeah,
I don't think i'm seeing the I don't think it's
a good side of you. Cele I think I'm I'm
like you. I think you know, I I don't think
it's a good side because I don't believe you have
a bad side. And and but I but I think
it's a it's your truth that we're seeing, you know,

(53:20):
it's it's it's this, it's the it's the essence of
us that I'm trying to see in you and myself,
in my anyone around me, anyone I meet, whoever you
bump into. It's like when you see someone's essence, that
essence is pure and is genuine. It is like strong
and powerful and capable, and it's the Everything else is

(53:42):
not a side of us. It's just stuff that covers
us up right, right, Like doesn't it feel that way?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Like you're absolutely right?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, Like I feel like I don't have a we
don't have a I don't have a side of me
that I don't like. I have stuff that's covering over
who I really am exactly.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
And it's how to how do you navigate controlling those
things and in control of your yourself?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yeah? Yeah, And I love what you just said about
how confronting your fears is what gives you a sense
of confidence and strength, because when you get through something.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Tough, it does it feels incredible. I mean, walking through
all of those moments that I'm sharing with everybody else,
it is really great. I Mean it's so sad to watch,
but I would not be who I am. Of course,
it's such a cliche if it wasn't for that, But
facing your fears and tackling them it's the only way

(54:34):
to get through them.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I feel, yeah, you said intention is so important there,
and I think that anyone who's in the public eye
sometimes all you have is your intention because you can't
control anything else. Yeah, what role is intention played in
your life? And then with this work more clearly, what
is your intention for everyone who's going to watch it? Like,

(54:59):
what is your hope and wish for the different people
that will see it? But first of all, what role
is intention played in your life? Especially as things have
continued to grow?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
You know, I think maybe in the past five years,
I felt like projects I was a part of, even endorsements,
something like that, the intention behind me being a part
of anything needed to be good. If I did, if

(55:33):
I got a lot of money, and I'm just being
super transparent from doing this line for a T shirt
and I'm just making this up, there's a huge part
of me that actually feels uncomfortable with the whole idea,
and that's just me. I have to think, Okay, this
is thank you, but I need to figure out how
this is also not going to be just about me.

(55:56):
It's going to be about everyone that's involved in this.
How can I turn it into to, hey, we're going
to do some percentages to this, and this is how
we're going to do the deal. I then feel more
comfortable stepping into a situation and accepting it. But I've
never based my decisions on what will get me to
the top quicker, what will make me number one? Will

(56:20):
I break records? All of those things to me are
just bonuses. They're just great if it happens, it happens
that way. But that's never been my intention. And some
people in my position would think that's kind of stupid.
You know, it's the whole point of doing it is
to break these records, is to do all that stuff.
But for me, and I think the reason why I
am who I am is because just enough is what

(56:44):
I am. I think that I just want to be
enough and that doesn't have to be me killing myself
trying to be number one at something or striving to
be number one for something. It's exhausting.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
How do you define being just enough? Now? Like? What
is that evolved? And I'm sure it will change and
I'm sure, bro, But right now, what is that I.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Feel, you know, I feel open, I feel ready for
relationships and change. I will be shooting season three, so
I'll be in New York for quite a bit and
I can't wait to see what will happen and all
the people will meet and all the people I get

(57:29):
to spend time with again, like Steven Marty, and it'll
be fun.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah. I love that. Well, Selena, this has been such
a beautiful conversation. And the good thing is we don't
have to end it here, but we get to invite
we get a very special guest's joining us today, a
very special gift for my audience here and our community
and everyone who's listening and watching. We get to have
your mom on the show, which is amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
It's really fun.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
So I am so excited about this because to be
able to talk to you both about the incredible work
you're doing together, her incredible lessons that she shared with
you over time, that you spoke about so beautifully today,
and I got to talk to her before we started
recording as well, and just hearing about how innovative and
creative she is. I mean, it's amazing. So if you're

(58:17):
okay with it, I love to love it. Bring out
your mom, Mandy over in a second, so we will
go and grab her. Yeah, amazing. So I was so
excited to have you hear Mandy, this is amazing. This
is really special. When when I heard that I was
going to have this opportunity, I think it's always interesting

(58:39):
hearing about someone's journey through someone else's lens, especially your mom,
like you know who else in the world. And now
now my mom's going to be upset that I haven't
had her on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I have it.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
So now now I feel the pressure.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Make my podcast. I'll just make one there. I love it.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
But I was going to say, you know, it was
just so beautiful in the documentary and even just now
hearing what Selena had to say about the amazing impact
you've had on her, hearing about you going to the
soup kitchens when Selena was younger in the documentary, as
I said before, hearing about how you encourage her to
learn about things that scared her. Yeah, and that would

(59:19):
help her. I mean, these are really I hope you
feel extremely proud of this incredible human being. Quite and
just you know, from an outsider's point of view, just
how incredible it is to see someone sharing their truth
with so much bravery, so much courage and impacting the
lives and saving the lives of millions of people across

(59:40):
the world. And I'm sure you feel a big part
of that.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
So I mean, honestly, I always hope to be a
role model, is in the sense that I was honest
about everything with her and who I was and as
a person, because I feel like sometimes if parents project
a perfection, then their kids feel like they have to

(01:00:04):
like live up to that or achieve more, you know,
And I just wanted her to always know I'm a
person I'm gonna mess up, and at I was sixteen,
so I was even more of a lost person. So
I'm kind of surprised she came out as great as
she is, to be honest, But yes, I'm very proud
of her, and you know, I played a little role

(01:00:28):
in it. And then she's like navigated herself into a
wonderful adult. And there's been ups and downs, but it's
just been it's been an honor to be her mother.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
What does that feel like, I mean, that's a whole
another experience having a child at sixteen. I mean, that's
a very you know, challenging stressful thing for yourself to
go through.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You're obviously not mentally in a space to be raising
a child because you are a child and you're trying
to figure out who you are. And even in some
of my really hard times, I feel Selena, I came
into this world at the perfect time because I was
really lost myself and I wasn't going down the right path.

(01:01:11):
And then when I found I was pregnant, I was like, Oh,
I have someone who's going to I'm responsible for and
they're gonna look up to me for guidance. And even
at a young age, that hit me. And I'm thankful
that that hit me and that I I did allow
that pressure to make sure that I was trying to
do everything right for her. But that was a moment

(01:01:32):
that when you're sixteen, in that phase, you're trying to
figure out your path in life, and I think I
kind of lost a little path of my life because
I had something more important to like take over. And
I think that the delay adolescence is something that I
felt like even now, you know, I still feel like

(01:01:55):
I'm a little bit youthful, even though I'm like creaking
and pop in when I walk, you know, I still
sometimes feel like I have a little bit more adolescence
in me and still things to learn. And so as
a teen, it was it was really challenging. And it
was really one of those beautiful like voor Texas of

(01:02:20):
being young and being able to keep up with a
child and having that energy. So I was able to
go to school. I went to a conservatory after so
I would take her to school and when she started kindergarten,
and then I would go to school, and then I
would go to work, and then i'd come home and
do her homework and put her to bed, then do

(01:02:43):
my homework and do it all over. And I think
about that now and I'm like, no way, no way.
I'm like I have a hard time getting up for
my little one now. So it was like I was
way too young then, and I'm like way too old. No, no, no,
you know what I mean. It was just like where
was the sweet spot? I just kind of skimmed by
it and you know, accepted the challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
That's incredible. Moms are amazing moms across the world. My
mom included just unbelievable resilience, unbelievable found tolerance. You know that.
I mean that sounds like such an incredible journey. And
you know, as you were telling me earlier, you haven't
yet managed to watch the documentary. I've seen parts, but

(01:03:26):
you haven't been able to bring yourself to actually watch it.
Tell us about what that feels like and how hard
that is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Well, first, everyone's telling me how fabulous is it is.
So it's like making me, it's making me more and
more eager to kind of put that guard down. But
the reason why is because like, we lived some of
that together. We've went through that and we've found healing
and we've moved past some of it. And even if
it's something that she went through and I didn't know

(01:03:55):
she went through it, it's as a mother, it's gonna
affect me of like, oh, it's gonna hurt my stomach,
it's gonna put me in that mindset and I'm gonna
wish I could go and protect her. And she, you know,
she was amazing and came through so much that I
already feel like I protect you a lot. Yeah, And

(01:04:18):
I was like, maybe I could just get through the
holidays to not where I'm going up to her all
the time, going I'm sorry, I didn't know, you know,
because mothers do, like, you know, you want to take
away your kids pain. You don't want them to have
to experience that, even though that is part of developing
who they're gonna be. And you know, who we all
are is our pain and our suffering and our growth.

(01:04:40):
So it's like, I either I'm gonna have to be
in that mood where it's that time where I'm just
like I'm not getting out of bed today and I
already know I'm gonna be a little funky, and then
watch it and then just be alone and kind of
cry and then call her and tell her I'm sorry
that I wasn't there and that moment, but you know,

(01:05:02):
you just can't helicopter parent. So it just it just
feels like her first breakup she ever had. I cried.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Yeah, I was like, they're both hurting, these four kids.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I wish I could take their pa.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Like our date was like a chaperone us to like
the movies, like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
They didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
So mom's hot though, that's a mom's hot. Like unless
you're a mom, you can't, you know, you know, it's
it's hard to fully understand, like yeah, just everything you
just said there of like wow, We've already lived through that,
we've healed through that. To revisit that again, that's painful
to feel a sense of guilt that I wasn't there
for someone in a certain way. I didn't know what
they were going through that Carrie's just saying, I mean, Selena,

(01:05:49):
hearing that from your mom, Like, what does it feel
like when she's like she hasn't been able to watch
it because of all of this, how does that feel?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Well, It's it's not far off. I've only seen it twice. Wow,
And I I've premiered it a few times for people,
and I've stepped away from watching it. I think I
relate to my mom because some of those moments were
really hard. And it's not so much if you don't

(01:06:15):
mind me like saying this, it's not you not being there.
It was me not letting you be there. That was
the heartest part. And it was also not letting most
of my people, like my family, in because I was
in so much pain and I was walking through all

(01:06:35):
these things. And in a way, I am glad that
I walked through some of it alone because it made
me who I am. But at the same time, it
breaks my heart to know that I had to walk
through that when I didn't need to do it alone.
So it's very much I relate to her. I understand
why she feels that way for sure, and I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
So yeah, it's wonderful hearing both your perspectives on it
because I think it again just you being him Andy,
and I'm so grateful that you genuinely are here because
it it just grounds this back into we're not watching
a TV show, right, Like I think Alec did such
a great job with it because I even though I'm
not silling in his mother, it's like I can feel

(01:07:17):
what you're saying through the way the story's told. But
I think often when we watch things like this, we're like, oh, yeah,
that's a TV show. It's not someone's life. And then
when I'm sitting all of a sudden with you, I'm like,
oh no, no, this is real life, Like this is
someone's actual life and emotions, and that you know that
having your voice in this conversation is so useful for that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Well, I mean I look at like kind of go
when we're going to the premiere last night, I had
a moment before where I was crying. I'm like, I'm
going to need to cry and just get it over with,
even though I was just there to support her and
I didn't watch the film. The power and of fear,

(01:08:01):
which I always call fear the false existence appearing real
and so like the fear is like everyone is seeing
you in your darkest moment and that it's out there
for the world to judge, and they will judge it
however they will, because even you know, again not seeing

(01:08:22):
the documentary, I hear it's very real and raw and
honest and open to do something like that. It's it's
for me. I cry out of fear, of like how
you were feeling and like how I could protect you.
And then I was like, I know that the little
bit I did in the interview, I was down a

(01:08:43):
week afterwards because it did put me back in that
place even though we weren't there, and I blacked out
the minute, you know, Alex said action and he was
so nice about it. And my lovely friend, dear friend Emily,
who does my hair and makeup, she looks she's they're good.
She's all crying and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
She's like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
I'm like, well, now everyone's going to know, and there's
something beautiful to that because it's you're exposing a lot,
and that can be fearful, but you're also giving a lot,
if that's how you look at it, and so I
think it can make those dark moments really beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, yeah, well, I think that's something you as a
family seem to have definitely embodied the idea of using
your pain to serve others, figuring out a way to
make sure that these stories are not just told in silos,
but they help other people feel connected. And you know,
with what you're doing with Wonder Mine, like, tell us
a bit about the mission behind why you founded that,

(01:09:45):
why you brought that to life, because I feel it
comes from the same place of like, we're going through
these things personally, but we also know this is a
collective global challenge and so we want to be a
part of supporting those communities.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
When I was really young, uh, and I was about
seven years old, I did have my first and only
suicide attempt, however you say, and it it didn't happen
obviously seven years old, and I think that with traces
back the time of always not feeling like I like

(01:10:20):
nothing around me made sense in my world, and it
was just like I felt like I was, and you know,
nothing bad was happening. It's just like this seems strong
to me, this seems wrong to me, I seem wrong,
Like how how do I fix this? But from that moment,
I've always carried I think that moment in my life
in my mind of like not wanting anyone to ever

(01:10:41):
feel that way, which is what led us to Thirteen
Reasons Why and some of her fans opening up to us.
When I read that, I knew that needed to be
a conversational piece, and from the response of what it
did and opening those conversations, I fired me to do more.
But it was like about the timing of what we

(01:11:04):
wanted to do and how we're going to use it,
and so collaborating and figuring out what's missing out there
as a support system was the ecosystem that we're you know,
planning and working entirely to create where all of it
is cohesive and you have one place to go to

(01:11:24):
see that you know, we actually target it really a
filter of feelings, so everybody has feelings that might not
be a diagnosed medical condition, but also how can we
put out content every day that you know, keeps it light,
but keeps it real and keeps it open for conversation

(01:11:46):
and build a community where everyone will feel safe and
not ashamed of like a feeling that they're having and
not ashamed. I heard you guys talking about perfection.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
It's like, I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Don't like to pretend there is perfection, you know. I like,
I think perfection kind of puts a little bit of
pressure whenever you can just be, like, just be and
like so, I you know, I'm not a big social
media fan, but definitely go to wondermind where we share

(01:12:22):
positive messages. But I think what you know inspired me
was creating this for everyone and content for people to
have access to that can afford to get treatment or
don't need treatment, but they need someone to say, hey,
check this out, you know. So it's really for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, thank you so much for sharing your personal experience, though,
because I can imagine that you know the fact that
you've held that close to you for this long and
now that's coming out in this beautiful way, But when
you're holding onto it, it doesn't feel that beautiful always.
I mean, cele know, how old were you when you first.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Learned about well, I don't think and this is probably
fair enough to say, like she never really hid a
lot of stuff when I was younger. I never was
aware that we didn't have enough. I was never She
did such a great job of I feel we're talking
about you're in your right ear, But you did, Mama,
You did of.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Being was this woman you speak of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Like explaining situations to me that we would be in
and and I feel around eighteen, I kind of started
to realize more of her story and obviously it broke
my heart and there are things that I never knew
were going on, and she did such a great job

(01:13:43):
of just letting me have a really great childhood. And
then once I realized we could be open and honest
with each other. That's kind of how Undermine started as well.
We really, you know, ended up working together on an
interview and we shared such interest with you know, the

(01:14:05):
person I was interviewing with us, and we thought, hey,
this is something we could probably do together. And it
happened that way, and it was It's been really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
I do want to I know this is like a
love fest, but like I do want to. There's a
moment that like you touched me during that time that
I don't even know if you remember. I remember I
was doing that, going to school, going to work, trying
to get her out of the neighborhood I grew up

(01:14:36):
in and tried to give her a better life. And
this was pre her doing anything besides directing films with
kids on the street. Yep, but she wasn't doing anything professionally.
I was sitting in front of a mirror and I
was trying to get ready and I just started crying
and I was crying. I was crying, and she come
up behind me, and she was so young, and she

(01:14:56):
like started playing my hair, and she like, what's wrong?
And I said, I just don't know why I'm doing
what I'm doing, and she goes, you'll figure it out,
just keep going. And it was like I was like,
she's already smarter to be so yeah, It's like it's

(01:15:17):
it was like a really good, like strong moment, like
you don't ever want to you know. I think being
vulnerable in front of her allows, you know, the vulnerability
to you know, be welcomed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, I think that's I think that's so
true as we're growing up, it's like we often look
at our parents as perfect unless they let us in. Yeah,
or by the time you figure out that they're not.
And it's interesting that you're saying that at least you
felt you were just always open and honest with what
you were going through and with with your own challenges

(01:15:53):
and your own struggles when you're when you're going through
your own stuff and you're watching your child go through
their stuff, like what's going through there's mind in that situation,
like how are you dealing with your own stresses and
pains and trying to be there and often, as as
Selena said, and you said, children don't want their parents
involved at a certain time, right, Like I can relate

(01:16:14):
to that completely, Like I think you know, I listened
to everything my parents said up until like I was
thirteen years old, and then from like thirteen to twenty five,
I didn't want to hear from them. And then after
twenty five, I was like, oh, you guys were the best, right, Yeah,
you're right, but everything and you go through that journey,
so you know when your child doesn't want your help,
when your child is not allowing you in, like what

(01:16:34):
goes through a parent's mind, especially when they're going through
their own work themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I just needed more therapy in a feeling, and you
feel because I want to use this term lightly, like
you feel like you feled in some capacity. So then
you're like, I know, I took that opportunity to try

(01:16:58):
to see maybe where were the missteps I took as
a parent. Was I too open with her? Was I
too liberal with her? Or you know, should I not
let her do Barney? You know, like it's just all
these decisions that you know, you make, you just reflect on,
and I think I think as parents we have this

(01:17:23):
capacity to decompartmentize your feelings and then prioritizing everyone else's.
Like I was telling you earlier when we were talking,
it was it's easier to bury your stuff and then
kind of focus, which then becomes unhealthy for the receiving
party and for yourself because you're not taking care of yourself.

(01:17:46):
So I was. I went through it. A lot of days,
didn't get out of bed. There was just like a
lot of crying, a lot of therapy. And I had
a therapist because I also I had a miscarriage during
the madness, And you know, I had this therapist who
gave me the best advice ever. She's like, just I

(01:18:09):
need you to leave your house once a day and
go go to the movies, buy a ticket. I don't
care if you watch it, but every day you need
receipts that you left your house. And so I would
like walk through them all just like crying, being lost
and you know, not knowing what to do. And I
would buy stuff and I'd have to go and take
it to her in each session, and I didn't I

(01:18:30):
didn't even ask for the purpose. I was like, she's
just trying to get me to get out of the house.
And then I realized the whole Like after about six
weeks of doing that, I started feeling more comfortable with
being even more vulnerable because I'm crying and I know
the world's going to be okay, and nobody's judging me.
People are asking me, hey, are you okay that kind

(01:18:53):
of thing, and you know, I was just like no,
and then you know, you just keep walking. But like
that judgment that everybody's afraid of. It shows me that,
you know, because I was mad that I felt as
a mother and this is in my eyes, not like you,
you know, like I felt as Selena's mother. And then
I also my body hurt my other baby. So I
was like angry at myself completely and I needed to

(01:19:16):
see that oh, the world's alive and there is forgiveness
and I can still find happiness for myself because I
was just like being a mom with something and the
only thing I really knew to do since the age
of fifteen. So when that's gone, you're you're just like, oh,

(01:19:37):
I'm supposed to have all mees that don't tell my child,
I'm supposed to do things, you know. So it was
a lot of growing, you know, and it's hard when
you're in it, but when you get out of it,
it's fantastic. It really is. It's just you feel lighter
and you feel like more hopeful, you know, and that

(01:20:00):
then when you have that next opportunity or that next
you know, downtrodden moment, you know you're going to get
out of it. It's like, all right, I just got
to get through this, just got to figure it out,
gotta vibe through it, and then it'll it will pass. Yeah,
So I think, yeah, you were talking about rock bottom
a little bit earlier. Yeah, definitely hitting rock bottom it does.

(01:20:23):
It feels like you're breaking through.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
What's really refreshing hearing both of you together is just
I feel like this is going to heal a lot
of parent children relationships. Like listening to you both today
because I'm just thinking so often we think our thoughts
to ourselves and we never share them with the people
that those thoughts are about. So, you know, I'm sure
there's so many children out there who their thoughts are like, oh,

(01:20:48):
I wish my parents did this better and my parents
could have done this, and those are valid thoughts. And
then there's parents out there at the same time having
the same thought of like I wish I didn't do
that to them and I you know, and often we
just never find out. We never know because we don't
get to have these open, honest dialogues. And so I
really think this, on top of everything you do, this

(01:21:09):
is really going to inspire a lot of parents and kids. Yeah,
it's because it's even even listening to you, I'm just
I'm thinking of my parents, and I'm thinking of my
friends parents, and I'm thinking everyone needs to be able
to open their heart because somewhere everyone's painting themselves the villain,
and someone's painting themselves as the person who messed up

(01:21:29):
and got everything wrong. Yeah, and in our head we're thinking, oh,
they got away with it, or you know, they're not
aware of it, So I find I mean, did you
were you always open to therapy and always open to
this self work? Was that a part of who you
were as well? Always? And that was or was that
something you kind of turned to it a.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Certain well, I will tell you a haunting little secret
that when I was really young in junior high, I
wanted to be a criminal psychologist. So that's why I
always says that she's making fun of me and murders. Maybe, yes,
that was I young that person, but I was already

(01:22:08):
reading on serial killers at that age because I was
fascinated with the mindset and I didn't come from, you know,
an environment where therapy was even talked about, but I
just at at a certain age, I really felt like
super depressed, and so I had to go out and
explore it myself and go through tons of doctors, and

(01:22:31):
you know, you would say one thing and it was
just like they go, hey, are you seeing things? I'm like,
I saw Black Butterfly the other day and they go, oh,
so you're hallucinating, and I'm like am I? So like
I had to go and I wasn't, but it was
a real black Butterfly, So I had to learn like
how to understand myself and my mind on my own.

(01:22:53):
And finally I also I did I went away to
a facility and it was the first time I got
to really spend all that time. Is best twenty eight
days that I spent, you know, on myself and yeah,
you just like you have to kind of build that

(01:23:14):
relationship with your mind. And I think people are so
afraid of being honest with themselves because then they have
to face it. But what like helped me is I realized,
like you know, in this relationship, I was parenting her
the way I needed to be parented, not what she
was needing. And that is how I feel like I

(01:23:38):
made my contribution to healing this relationship. Is like, Okay,
pull back. I need to know her and her needs,
not like be the mama bear, even though I still
haven't lost that completely, but like you know, sometimes I
just need to listen and not fix it. And so
that was the biggest thing. I think I really went

(01:24:01):
on a little tel spin there, but that was the
biggest thing that I learned through you know, that whole
time that we were separated. It was like seeing who
I was and how other people see me and I
do that every day I'll say something, I'm like, Okay,
how did that come off to someone else? You know,
because I have ADHD, so I'm quick to like spurt

(01:24:23):
out whatever is in my brain. And then I'm like,
they really didn't need to know that, but it's out
there in the world now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
The self work in this room is amazing. The amount
of like self reflection and self awareness in this room
is really strong. This is yeah, yeah, this is very
powerful stuff. No, and you did not get lost on
attendent at all. I think everything you just shared with us,
even you just coming to that conclusion of knowing that
you're parenting someone that you deeply loved in a way

(01:24:53):
that you wanted to be parented, I think that is
at the core of so much of how we all live. Yeah. Right,
We're all love people the way we wish we were loved,
and we're all hurting people the way we wish we
weren't hurt. And it's so it's just fascinating when we finally,
you know, look beneath the surface and uncover why it's

(01:25:14):
all there and where it is, and to do that
together and separately. I love this idea that there were
times when you have to do this at a distance
from each other as well. I think that's such a
healthy message to be out there as well. In the world,
I think we're often all trying to solve all our
issues in the same place.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Yeah, definitely. I think there are moments, even you know,
even in friendships, where it wasn't necessary for me to
take a step back and figure out what is serving me,
what's not serving me, what makes me happy, what's challenging me,
what's helping me move forward, versus what's not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
I think it's really important.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
I think when we're looking from the outside in, we
limit people to certain experiences, we remember them for certain people,
we expect them to be with people that they're meant
to be around, the way families are meant to be,
Like there's always meant to be. Yeah, and then it's like,
well know, in reality, there's space, there's distance, there's reflection,

(01:26:16):
there's the need for all of these things. With the
work that you're talking about earlier with me as well,
in terms of how you now taking these messages on screen, yeah,
you know, which you're sharing, which I know is such
a big part of the work, and I feel so
excited about that, Like That fills me with the greatest
amount of joy knowing that we're going to see better
representation of mental health on screen. I think that's huge.

(01:26:41):
Where did you start to realize that from Thirteen Reasons Why,
as we spoke about earlier, like, where did you start
to realize that was so important for people to see
that representation on screen?

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Well, I think it comes back to not wanting people
to feel like I did at seven years old. It's like,
I'm so open like with you know, oh, I'm bipolar,
I have ADHD. You know, I was misdiagnosed for a while,
so like I was always so open with it, and
you know, even in a town where they're so accepting

(01:27:12):
in certain capacities, it's still like, well she she's not stable.
And I even would joke and go, yeah, I'm crazy,
I'm crazy. I'm crazy. And I was like not supporting
myself in that, and I didn't want anybody to feel
that way. So, you know, during Thirteen Reasons Why, we
worked tiresly the entire team to make sure we were

(01:27:36):
executing the whole point of it in that you know,
we're losing teens every day to suicide and it's it's
horrible and unnecessary and you know, how do we how
can we as a adult, And that's why it was
so important, I think for me and Selena to go
out and talk about it so parents would watch it together,

(01:27:57):
you know. And once that got the reaction it got,
you know, I heard different opinions, and I wanted to
hear everyone whether they thought it was a bad idea,
a great idea, it touched them, it offended them. Like
I really like listen to everything and all the you know, data,
and I've always been someone who enjoyed storytelling, and so

(01:28:22):
I like to tell stories and if I can, you know,
show and like I was telling you earlier, I like
using silver Lining's playbook because they're bipolar, but they're having
a life, they're having a relationship and as it may
come with challenges, every relationship comes with challenges. It's not
just a mental mental issue that someone has that causes

(01:28:45):
those challenges. We're all people and if we just learn
to understand each other, they'll be less fear of it,
and then people will get more treatment and they'll just
be more happiness. And I know, sometimes I feel like
being like the world's gonna be happy. You know kind
of like that, but you know and again like my adolescence,

(01:29:08):
that's still there. But I that's what inspires me is
to I scared off people by talking about myself in
a negative way and by you know, not sharing enough,
so it's like or sharing too much. So then it's
like navigating that and like you know, like I mentioned

(01:29:29):
like when It Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and girl
interrupted favorite films, love them, but that's not the reality
Selena or I live in every day. You know, I
have been in a facility, and but it was not
like what's being portrayed was. It was a beautiful experience

(01:29:50):
and and made me a better person for it. So
it just like media loves to, you know, tell all
of the bad stuff. It's like we could use it
as as like educational without preachy, and so like let's
just tell stories of real people dealing with mental health
issues and different capacities and show that you can that

(01:30:13):
you're all right, You're gonna make it. It's like, and
you just need to give yourself that that permission, and
then once you give yourself that permission, you're gonna come
out a happier person. I like I embrace my ADHD
like I really do. We have a lot of fun together.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Well, I think this is painting a beautiful picture of
just how like we always want growth to be this
perfect line, you know, we expect expect growth in families
individually to just look like, oh, we're just all growing
at the same time, and isn't this beautiful? And it's like, well, no,
growth is not that way. Yeah, And growth is being

(01:30:55):
patient when my daughter wants to grow this way and
I'm trying to figure this out, or I'm going to
be patient while my mom pivots and shifts, and that's
what growth is. Growth is being patient with each other.
And growth is holding space and being okay when we're
not being the nicest people to each other. Like, there's
so much more to growth, and so I want to
thank you both for displaying that and sharing that with

(01:31:16):
us today. Oh thank you because it's yeah, it's it's
special seeing it from this perspective for sure, Rather than
either or. We end every on Purpose episode with a
final five, which we're gonna ask to both of you,
so you'll do one question at a time each and
these are one word to one sentence maximum. They are

(01:31:38):
not questions like what's your favorite color? Promise, They're all
thoughtful questions as you would expect. Okay, so question number
one is what is the best advice you've ever received
or heard when it comes to mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
I'm sure it's like in a Brene Brown book.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I'm right on my roof.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
I think though, the best advice I had been given
is probably what I have thoroughly said throughout my documentary
and speaking with you, is learning how to make it
a part of your life. Like that's why I say
make it your friend, because I think you have to

(01:32:20):
understand why. And sometimes you may not always know why.
But if you can understand that it's a feeling, like
my mom said, where maybe this will pass and maybe
you just got to go through it, and you have
to have the day in bed crying. You have to
do those things in order to figure out what it

(01:32:41):
is that's going to set you free from it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Maybe that would be advice that's make you a practice. Yeah,
I think mine was take your time. That was what
I was told when I went to That's Tree. Yeah,
take your time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
It's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
What's some of that second question? What's some of the
worst advice you've ever heard or received when it comes
to mental health.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
That it's all in my head and I can just
control it, like stop having bad thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Yeah, yeah, I was good to say somewhere along the
lines of like you're fine. I mean yeah. I had
someone say to me literally like you're so dramatic, you
make up everything you know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
And that was so hurtful, the worst I felt the worst.
Calm down, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Like good answers, all right. Question number three, how would
you both define your individually your current purpose in life.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
I fully feel that I am exactly where I meant
to be. I am meant to share my story and
in this season of my life, I want to be
loved the way I love people. I want to give
the way people have so generously given to me, and
I want to continue to work on become a becoming

(01:34:04):
a better and a happier person every day.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
It's a beautiful purpose I've received, so now I want
to give awful.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Wow, this is this is really beautiful answer question of before,
what's something you used to value that you don't value
that much anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Oh, people's opinions? I agree, it's so exhausting. I would
say it is nice to hear great things. But I
accept compliments in a manner where I can appreciate them.
But I have to learn how to just know that.

(01:34:42):
I got to keep a straight head. I got to
like understand that everything is a gift and not to
let things get to my head.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Yeah, because I always say, if you accept all the
compliments internally, then you'll have to accept all the negative.
So just be careful, just like be selective with what
you let Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Yeah, Yeah, there's a beautiful quote. I can't remember who
said it, but it says, don't let compliments get to
your head and criticism get to your heart. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Yeah, I love that. That was very poetic with what it's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Been said for just repeatia, no, no, but I think
it's such a beautiful and Yeah, and I think that's
also when we're mindful of giving compliments to others. I
think something that I've learned is that I enjoy and
we've talked about this today. I really enjoy the art

(01:35:41):
of learning to see someone's essence. It's something that I
try and live by because and then when you want
to compliment someone, it's like, how do you give a
compliment that is an empty flattery. L that isn't just
surface level. And I think when we get compliments like that,
they don't go to our head, they do go to
our heart. Yeah, you know, it's different. So I hope
that we can also learn to compliment each other in more,

(01:36:04):
you know, beautiful and genuine ways. Fifth and final question,
Question number five is if you could create one law
that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Be practicing forgiveness?

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
I probably would would say something super simple and cheesy,
but treat others the way you want to be treated.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Yeah, and then we throw in the forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Yeah, honestly that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Yeah, forgiveness. Yeah, yeah, I stayed with campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Mom forgiveness campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
That's right. Wait, can I ask you a question? Yeah, okay,
when is the last time you did something for the
first time?

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Oh? Wow, okay, when was the last time I've been
practicing this time? The most interesting answer that came to
mind straight away, even though it was a couple of
months ago. Now, I went trekking with gorillas in Rwanda.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Wow, and it was it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
It was. Yeah, it was a few months ago and
it was the most incredible experience.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Of that sound life wild.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Yeah. So they're mountain gorilla and they're not you don't
they don't have any technology on them or you know,
they're not treated a certain way. They're not in a
zoo or they're not trapped. You're in their home and
you have to set out early in the morning to
go and look for them. And the people that are
doing these tours they know where they usually are, so
they take you in that direction. Oh my, and then
you finally discover like this family of gorillas. And I

(01:37:35):
thought i'd see one or two. I was very I
wasn't skeptical, but I was kind of like, who knows,
you know, we saw eighteen gorillas, like a family, So no,
you know, I wish they cuddle each other. Yeah, but
they don't. They the guides tell us that the only
thing you have to do is maintain your distance. You're

(01:37:56):
not allowed to try and touch them or their kids,
because they see that is violent. The gorillas are just
so peaceful and they're so calm, and they have this
sound that they make. This was my favorite part of
the experience. So we were told by our guide that
if you make this sound, it basically tells the gorillas.
We come in peace, and so this sound is you

(01:38:18):
have to make that sound and the gorillas make it
back to you, or they'll do it to you as
they come closer, just to let you know, hey, we're
not trying to harm you. We're just going to walk
past you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Really special. So that was the most recent memory of it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Was like, this was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Yeah, it was. It was really it was really truly special.
It was you know, it's just being with another creature,
that another form of life that is uninterested in you. Yeah,
it's it's very humbling in a good way. This form
of life doesn't even care that I exist staring at it,

(01:39:03):
and the gorilla is just like, yeah, that's a good question.
It's a good question. Well, Selena and Mandy, you have
both been so gracious with your time today. You've been
so kind and generous with your energy. And this documentary
is going to change so many lives, and it is
going to shift the culture of how we share our

(01:39:26):
pain in a way that truly positively impacts the lives
of people across the world. And so thank you, Birth
really appreciate so much. Thank you for sharing your heart
for years, for sharing your soul and for taking the
time to create something that's truly going to be talked

(01:39:47):
about for years and years to come.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Thanks, thank you j You're the best.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
And thank you for your friendship as well, of course,
and thank you for opening up so vulnerably with us
today about your experiences about you know, all the gifts
and the challenges that come with loving family and each other.
And also for leading as part of this movement and
everything you're doing with wonder Mind and trying to help
people all across the world with mental health and wellness.

(01:40:16):
Thank you so much for your commitment to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
That, and thank you, thank you for everything you do. Yes,
altogether we can.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
I love it. Thank you perfect, Thank you love that

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