Vanessa Hudgens ON: Manifesting Love & Finding Confidence From Within

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's taken so many years of like reflection and growth
and like doing all the uncomfortable work to shape me
into the person that I am. And I look back
and I'm like, I'm so grateful for all of it.
But like by leaning in and like not putting them
into like a storage unit in my mind, but like
actually processing them and like growing and evolving from it

(00:24):
has allowed me to have confidence in myself because I'm
just like I know that I'm enough. Hey, everyone, welcome
back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in
the world. Thanks to each and every one of you
that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow.

(00:46):
Now you know that I love sitting down with friends,
people that have connected with people that I share space
and energy with on this podcast. But sometimes something funny happens.
I have a guest on who I feel I know
I've connected them with them several times digitally, virtually, but
never physically, and then finally when I get to experience
their energy in person, I just go, yeah, this is

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my kind of person. And today's guest is someone that
feels just like that. Her name, of course, is Vanessa Hudgins,
an American actress, singer, entrepreneur and producer. After making her
feature film debut in thirteen, she rose to fame portraying
Gabrillo Montez in the High School Musical film series, which

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brought her significant mainstream success. Since the release of her
studio albums and the High School Musical franchise, Vanessa has
focused on her acting career. She's appeared in films like Bandslam, Beastly,
Sucker Punch, Journey to the Mysterious Island, Spring Breakers, The
Princess Switch, Second Act, and Bad Boys for Life. She

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also launched her beverage business, Callie Water, a line of
Cactus water, and her own skincare brand, No Beauty, Welcome
to the Show, My Dear Friend, and becoming a Deeper Friend.
Vanessa Hudgens and our beautiful Darla, thank you for me.

(02:11):
And you're so good at this. Wow. Oh I just
I meant all of it. You've had this, you know.
I Actually I grew up watching high school musical because
of my sister. I'm a sister that's four and a
half years younger than me. Yeah, she loves you, loves
high school musical, So I watched it through her lands
yea and a connecting thing for the two of you. Yeah,
exactly exactly. And then obviously we connected through Joe and

(02:36):
our Zen zone. Yeah, which is so funny, which is
just amazing what Joe started and built. It's so incredible.
It's like, if it wasn't for that, I never would
have met Cole. I know, yes, and that, and then
I'm like, hallelujah. So you are officially giving me and
Joe the credit. No, yes, completely. Actually, it wouldn't be
a thing if it wasn't for you, guys, for Joe,

(02:58):
for Joe. Joe, you can take all the credit you
deserve it. Darla, I just do want to acknowledge you
are the first ever dog to appear on a purpose.
She jumped up here and seated herself like a human.
I know. I'm so grateful she's here. She's such a
beautiful energy too, and I'm so happy she's lady. I

(03:19):
was told that she was a French girl in the
past life. Oh that's very cool. Well, this is the thing, Vanessa,
that you know, I think when people view you from afar,
of course, you have this amazing career. You do an
incredible job, whether you're hosting, whether you're acting. With you
I thought you were awesome and bad boys for life.
Thank you. I love the movie, of course, you know,

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just how your roles and those characters evolved into the
franchise was amazing. You're doing so many incredible things with
Callie Water, and I know we've got so many other
things to talk about, but I think for me, what
got me deeply intrigued in you and wanting this conversation
with you is the conversations we had through zen Zone.
And so for those of you who don't know what
zen Zone is, this is something that Joe Jonas had

(04:02):
the idea for at the beginning of the pandemic. And
you can tell me how you heard about it, because
I don't know how. So Joe reached out to me
and he said to me that we did this meditation
as part of a charity event for the WE Foundation,
and I was asked to teach meditation. Me and Joe
had never met before we were on this live I

(04:23):
lead this meditation and Joe said he had a great time.
We got introduced over text. He texted me and said, Hey,
we're doing We're getting to my friends this Saturday. It's
the pandemic. I'd love for you to teach a meditation.
I was like, sure, I thought we'd do it once.
We've now done it every week for seventy five weeks.
We've had a bit of a hiatus for the last
couple of months, and he would just invite his friends

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and I hadn't even met him, let alone everyone. That's
where I met you, And for anyone who doesn't know,
I lead a meditation, but then I opened it out
to a beautiful group of people to reflect share their insights.
And we did this every week during the pandemic. And
when you'd come on and you'd talk and share your election,
I was just like, I had no idea that Vanessa

(05:04):
had this like intentional mindful practice in her life. And
I was so that was so endearing and intriguing. But
tell us about how you Me and Alexander Ship were
both working on Tick Tick Boom. Yes, um, and we
like had the rehearsal space and then we had to

(05:26):
shut down production because of COVID and locking down and everything,
and um, when we finally got back to it, it
was in September, like pre vaccine, so we were in
like a bubble. But we She was like, I've been
doing this meditation I think that you would really enjoy it,
and I'm like, so down love a meditation um and

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I got on there and I was just like, oh
my god, this is so beautiful. And your meditation that
you lad was so so like grounding and centering and
just like fulfilling for my soul, and I was like,
oh my god, this is amazing. And then I remember
I got added to the group chat, and then we
got sent the zoom. For the next zoom, Everyone's sending

(06:10):
confirmations of himself, like Joe's sending one, Wilmer sends one,
I send one. And then I thought someone was making
a joke by sending a baseball player sliding onto a
base and lifting his head and going like so I
was like hot and responded in all cabs hot. And
then I got on the zoom and Alex was sitting

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next to me, and I remember seeing Cole and just
being like, who's that and She's like, I don't know,
and then like he smiled, and then I was like
who's that. She's like, I don't know. I found like
his name and then like found him on Instagram and
sent follow and then I was like, oh, he's the
baseball player hilarious, larious. Well, I already shot my shot,

(06:54):
so he knows. And then later I come to find
out that like he was watching me hit al and
he was like, there's either like something on my face
or like this girl hates me, or like I don't know,
but he could like see me. Because it's like that meditation.
Everyone's like sitting and like so still, and I'm here
like slapping Alex, like losing my mind. But it's been

(07:19):
so beautiful, Like I love the practice so much, and
it's so it's so nice having you there leading the
charge and just like feeling so safe in this space
to like reflect and to hear how different things affects
each other and like listening to each other, and the
reflection is so conducive to growth. So it's just like

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been so beautiful. I'm so grateful of it. You're genuinely
so kind. I really appreciate those beautiful words. But I
find it fascinating that this beautiful relationship for you as involved.
We'll talk about that, but I'm surprised we haven't yet
had one. So Joe also comes up with funny zen
names for every episode, So I think we've had Zandia
had I mean, there's so many I have to look through.

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But we haven't had a Vanessa Hudson. We haven't done that.
We haven't done that yet. I have to throw that
out to him as an option for the next one.
He hasn't done that yet. No, But but when did you?
When I when I heard your reflections, I was like, Okay,
Vanessa has been in this space for a long time,
like spirituality, whatever you call it, I'd love to hear

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it through your language. I was like, Oh, she she's
involved being. This is something she has invested in for
many years before this. This is not her first meditation.
This is part of her life. When did any of
these ideas get introduced to you? And how did they
exist in your world? I'm genuinely fascinating. Yeah, I mean
I feel like I've always been a meditative person. I

(08:49):
remember I used to live in San Diego and I
my parents would drive me up to Alway all the
time for auditions. Um, and it's a long drive, and
I was like three enough hours. And I'm young, I'm
probably like eight years old, nine years old, And I
remember one time just sitting with the window down, like

(09:10):
feeling the breeze on my face, just like clear mind
staring out and my dad being like, what are you
thinking about? I was like, literally nothing. And then I
think that as I got older, that moment, for some
reason would come back to me and I was like, oh, man,
like am I stupid? Like does that mean that I

(09:31):
have nothing going on in my mind? And then as
I continued to evolve, the more that I realized that
was a state of zen, a state of peace, and
like meditation practice is something that has naturally just like
come for me. I feel like I started actually getting
introduced to it when I was probably sixteen. I was

(09:54):
in Brazil. This was like after high school musical had
come out and me and zac Efron were dating and
we went to this island like in Brazil somewhere and
it was a magazine and they were like, we can
offer you yoga classes if you want, and I was like, oh,
I've never done, though, like I'd love to try. I'm
always down to try new things. And I remember it

(10:16):
was like outside under this canopy of trees and it
was like the first time that I feel like I
had a mindful practice where I was like aware of
what I was actually doing and I just became hooked.
I remember I was like, straight off the bat, I
was like, I think I need to become a yoga instructor.

(10:37):
I think that's just something that literally I was like,
I'm sold. And then I think that like that really
led to like mindfulness and like practice, and and then
when did meditation actually come into play? Honestly, probably Deepak Chropra.
I feel like, yeah, I feel like I came across

(10:59):
like an audio something of his on meditations, and I
remember doing that and just being like, oh wow, there's
like so much here, and like noticing how it affected
my everyday life and just my state of mind. And yeah,
it's like I feel like the sit down to actually

(11:22):
meditate doesn't fully happen that often, which is why I
love our zend Zone, because I get gives me a
reason to actually do it. But the state of mindfulness,
I think, is something that is carried into so many
different aspects of spirituality, and spirituality itself has been like
such an evolving journey for me. I mean, I remember

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I was how old as I was filming Journey to
the Mysterious Island, and I was on the Big Island
where they shot Jurassic Park, and so it's just like
beautiful rolling mountains. It's like dunning. And I remember thinking
to myself, like, oh, like I am spiritual because I

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don't can't like relate anymore to religion practices that were
instilled with me as a child. But like, I feel
so much and I know that I'm a part of
something bigger, and I feel like vibration of the land,
and I just feel connected to spirit and then that
itself has evolved so much, and like I feel like

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I'm back at that place where I'm like, I am very,
very spiritual. I take time to connect to my spirit
but also spirit around me, and I make sure I
take time to connect to nature. And I give praise
when magic happens, because it happens all the time, and

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I feel like it's so important to acknowledge it and
to give it gratitude because then it starts coming into
your life so much more. It's just it's like it's
really insane when you start acknowledging them. How like it's
it's an abundance of magic. Wow, I'm I'm like that

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is so infectious. It's just it's so true though, and
like it's so beautiful because then you're filling your life
with like this, these moments of wonder. Yeah, and like
I think that's so important as an adult because it's children.
We have that all the time. Yeah, but like as
you grow up, you kind of forget how important it
is to have that. Yeah, I'm like such a big kid.

(13:34):
Yeah that like she's always like a child at heart.
But like wonderment, I think is something that's so important
for the soul. I couldn't agree more. I love that,
And I think it's when I think about wonder and childlikeness,
it's the same as what I feel my wife's brought
back into my life. And I felt for so long

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I started to take life too seriously or I was
very I was very focused, and yeah, man, the woman
to bring him back. And my wife has just bought
this like childlike energy back in my life, and it's
something you have to protect totally. I feel like the
childlike energy is something you have to nurture and protect
in yourself, in the people you love, totally, your inner

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child like I remember that being like a big, big
wake up moment for me. I think it was in
like Larry Moss's acting classes. I was doing like one
of his intensive workshops, and he talks about how important
it is to like nurture your inner child, because there
we all have that. We all have that like little
boy or a girl inside of us that's like kind

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of scared at times, but it's like so explorative and
like has wonderment. But you have to nurture that, and
if you don't, like it gets neglected, and you can't
neglect your inner child. Definitely. Do you think that's what's
I mean for yourself? Like you've been in the industry

(15:01):
a long time now, since you're extremely young, and I
feel like you've been great like navigating it with grace
and pivoting and figuring things out. And obviously from the
time we've been getting to know each other through his
zen zone and even today, I can tell that there's
so much thoughtfulness and so much clarity for you. Do

(15:23):
you think that nurturing that inner child is what has
helped you navigate a very tough industry or what has
that been? What? I feel like that's definitely part of it, Yeah,
for sure, because it allows me to stay extraordinarily passionate
about my loves, which is like everything you know, like

(15:45):
in my work and in my life and in the
way I spend my time. But I think the thing
that honestly has kept me going is accepting change and
evolving and knowing that ever lucition is like a positive thing,
and leaning into the like scary scary things that like

(16:07):
could hurt me, and and like just constantly re evaluating
what it is to be a human in this experience
and like who do I want to be? Because it's
like that's genuinely like a choice you like have. We
have so many choices every single day on like how

(16:28):
we build our character, how we present ourselves to the world,
And like, I feel like I've had multiple moments where
I've had to like really look at myself and reassess
and say what kind of woman do I want to be?
And like who am I? Truly? Like what is my core?

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What is what are my values? And I feel like
it's just allowed me to feel really confident and strong
in who I am as a person, because I think
that that's that's where a lot of people have difficulties
in Hollywood, because you end up like morphing into different
people because it's a it's a tough grind, but because

(17:14):
people morph into the roles they play. They morph into
the role they have to play portray totally. They morph
into the role that their manager or their agent thinks
they need to be, or the person who came before
them that they're trying to be. Like totally, there's all
these identities. Totally, Yeah, you're trying to morph into that.
It's hard to remember your own I guess what was

(17:35):
a formative experience at a younger age that you think
has given you a sense of groundedness as you've gone on.
Were there any formative experiences as you at any point
in your childhood or no, I mean many teenagers. I
don't know why. I don't know if this is like
actually first is the best best. I was the kid

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that loved playing in the dirt, you know, Like I
was always the kid that was like in the garden,
like grabbing like pieces of plants and like smushing them
together and like having the flowers and like doing like
little collages and the dirt. Like I've always like been.
I feel like I've always felt very connected to earth,

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And I look back at it now and I'm just
like it's so funny because and now I'm I like
love practicing like witchcraft and having rituals and like playing
and being a part of Earth and connecting with it
is such a big part of it. And I'm just like, oh, wow,
she was always there. Yeah, she was always there. She
was always playing in the dart. But yeah, like I

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feel like I also was raised in a way where
like my parents didn't have a lot. My dad was
a firefighter. My mom was from the Philippines, like came
out to the stage when she was twenty four with
my dad and it was like the first man she'd
ever even been with, like first guy actually ever kissed,
like crazy. Um. But I was raised very modestly, So
I think that like that definitely shaped me into who

(19:10):
I am because I'm very mindful about like where I
spend my money and and like what I'm doing with
it and like, but like it also I think makes
me work harder and want to do the work myself,
do the dirty work. He was bringing it back. I
love it. But yeah, like because that's just like my character,

(19:33):
that's how I was raised. Yeah, that's that's beautiful to hear.
And uh, I'm going to ask you now to define
what witchcraft is for the end, you know, for those
who may not be aware and those rituals because I think,
as you say those words, i'd love you to extrapolate
them because I've seen so I've seen you post when
you get new tattoos, and it's cool, but I would
love I'd love for you to explain that totally. I

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think like being a witch genuinely is like so many
different things for each person. To me, it's it's a
mindfulness for sure. Um, it's connecting to your elements. Um.
It's about understanding the fact that everything is energetic and

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we can push and pull things, um, if we set
our mind to it and ask for it. Um. It's
a lot of manifesting on which m and rituals are.
Like I love like a full moon ritual where I'll
like sage my space and like cleanse my energy and
my aura and then like ask my angels and my

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ancestors and my spirit guides to be there with me
and to help carry out my message. And then like
honestly writing things down on some baileys and burning them.
It's really exciting because it burns, and like it's really
it's like it really catches flame. Yeah, it feels magical, um,

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But like it's like connecting to earth and like to
spirit and like tapping in Yeah, because I feel like
you really can. Yeah. I mean I love hearing that
because I think when people hear the word witchcraft or
which is we have a very dated view, yes, stigmatized ye,

(21:20):
where you hear a witch and like people are like
burner at the state exactly. And I mean I grew
up in London where one of the attractions to visit
as a tourist was the London Dungeons. Yeah, And so
you'd go to see these London dungeons and they would
show you how women and many women who are wrongly
accused of being witches and of course witches in the

(21:42):
stigmatized or the negative senses we've seen portrait in movies
and things like that. Yeah, and you'd see how they
would be burned and the kind of dungeons that they
had to stay in and the states that is in.
And now obviously when you say the word, you're looking
at it from like the good witch, like you know,
like Thetate shit, yeah exactly, joy and kindness and like

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that's the modern witch. Yes, yes, And redefining that word
is so important because language, I think today is so
much of the reason we have disagreement, one of the
reasons why we don't understand each other. And when you
start to explaining what the witches, I'm like, yeah, that's
like what's the witch in um Blender? Yes, exactly, that's
exactly what that's it. And I was like, yeah, she

(22:25):
was a witch and she's called a witch in the movie.
But when you think about it, the witch, you remember her, right,
And so it's so fascinating when you think about it
from that way. What if I love those rituals you
just walked us through. When you're doing those rituals or
when you've built those practices up, what has given you
strength to believe that they have an impact? Is it

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something you feel, is it something you've heard? Is it
is it a connection? Like how do you go? Yes,
this works for me, This matters in my life. I
feel like it's such an intuitive thing. Yes, And like
I said, I was the little girl playing in the
dirty mushing curves and it does. It feels it feels
really grounding and connecting to me, and like I've manifested

(23:09):
for years and like, if you're very clear and intentional
on what you want, you have a much better chance
at getting it can tell can you tell us one
that it feels worth sharing that? Yeah? I mean, like
even like Cole, like I I was very clear, very

(23:29):
intentional about what it is exactly. It's like I was like,
I want someone who, oh man, I wish I have
I literally have like a list. Um. It was I
want someone who loves themselves wholeheartedly. Um, someone who understands

(23:51):
the importance of like having a good time. Someone who
has like the right priorities in life, you know, like
has the same fundamentals as me, um, which is like
you live, you don't what is it You don't live
to work? No, you don't live to work, work to live?

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like someone who understands like the
importance of life outside of work. There's a whole list,
but literally when I met Cole, I was like, you
literally check all my boxes. What I love about your
list though, And that's why I asked you because I
expected that your list that is the most mature, refined

(24:34):
list I have ever heard of, because because most lists
do not go that deep like that. That is a
very genuinely and I'm not saying this to flatter you
at all. I'm genuinely saying it because I hear a
lot of lists in my coaching work and when I'm
with clients and over the years, people that I've worked

(24:54):
with and lists, those are all like incredible attributes which
show your self awareness of who you are and what
you need in your life. But they're also not so
specifically defined that it's kind of very difficult that that exists.
If that makes sense. It's not like I want this

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and I want that and he should have this, and
it's not stuff about he should have no, No, it's
about his mindset and his belief system. Walk us through
how do you assess and assesses the wrong word, because
in a relationship, you're not assessing someone. How do you
engage with someone in a way to know that those
things exist within them? And I'm asking you this for

(25:38):
yourself because I find that sometimes people may make a
list or they have a list, And first of all,
I would like to remind anyone if you are going
to make a list, think about Vanessa's list and just
think about how I'm trying to find the right word
to define your list. I would say that it is
extremely mindset bay and it's extremely an approach to life. Yeah,

(26:03):
you're looking with someone who has a specific approach to
life exactly. Yeah, it's not that they have a specific
life very true? Yeah right, yeah does that make And
so how did you you know ascertain that Cole had
some of these things? Because I think what often happens
is when we get attracted to someone, or we feel
a sense of infatuation, or we feel some chemistry or

(26:27):
a spark with someone, often that ability to ascertain whether
we're really going to be a good match goes out
the window totally. How are you able to hold both?
Because I think we do need attraction and chemistry of course,
But at the same time you're saying, well, I was
able to assess that he does have satin. Yeah, I
mean I was in an eight year long relationship before him. Um.

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So after that, I was like, okay, we're getting serious,
Like we are going to make a list of things
that I need, like genuinely like not one but actually need. Um.
And with some of it it was being very straightforward, um,
with like my questions as to like how he goes

(27:11):
about life, and then in other ways it was just
like really observing him and like genuinely his approach to life, um,
like he has like an infectious spirit, and I'm like,
that is something that is so beautiful and so wonderful,
and I'm like I see myself in that as well.

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But like we just like had the same the same spirit,
and I think that, like straight off the bat, I
was very forthright with like what it is that I
want in a relationship, and like I was like, cool,
so you're down, you you're into those things as well.
Love that, but like just being very straightforward, like you
plan on getting married one day, Like you plan on

(27:54):
having kids? You like kids? What's your relationship with your parents? Like,
what's your relationship with your friends? How do you enjoy
your work? Like everything just like diving in because like
if you don't like those things get lost in the
shuffle and then you end up investing time on people
that you shouldn't. Is that date one? Yeah? I am

(28:16):
so happy hearing you say that. I and I just
want everyone to know that while we're having this conversation,
I do not know this story in depth the way
Venus is explaining it, So this is also my first
reaction to it. I am so happy hearing you say that,
Like it gives me so much assurance and confidence in
what I hope people will do to find love in
their life. Yeah. I did the same with RADI. We

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had the same conversations. We talked about children, we talked
about our values, we talked about our beliefs, we talked
about expectations. I was very clear with rather of the
man that I think I am and the man that
I didn't want to be. I was clear about what
my aspirations and priorities were and what I wouldn't be
able to prioritize exactly. And it was uncomfortable to say

(28:58):
those things. Scared that like, well, maybe this person is
going to run away totally when they hear what I'm
actually like, Yeah, but then if they stay exactly and
they actually signed on for and it's like you give.
Like my my sister actually it does a podcast as well,
and I was like listening to it the other day
and she was like, it's so important to like tell
your friends or your partner if something's bothering you, because

(29:19):
then you give them the opportunity to adjust, like otherwise
they don't know. Shout out cell and that's crazy, that's crazy. Okay,
listen to that episode. What was the episode about it
was about this, Um, what was that one about? Just
like friends and like you know, feeling foamo it? Yeah, no,

(29:41):
because it's it's also just like I know that we
got a message, Um, I think you send it to
my team saying kind of bring Dalla today. Yeah, and
I love that you said that, And I'm so glad
she came because I would have been so sad if
I as a friend. It's like if you if you
felt that, but then you didn't tell me. Yeah, totally
I know, And then I got to ask you just
gotta you just gotta know, Like, and I'm so happy

(30:03):
she's here and I'm so happy to meet her, and yeah,
and when you told me the reason you like, I've
been traveling and I haven't seen it for like that
is so beautiful, Like why would you not? But we're
so we're so scared, yeah, of showing that side of
ourselves to someone and being like this is what I
need and honoring our truths. Yes, I think, like it's
so easy to disregard our truths when you like have

(30:26):
a thought and you're like, oh, like I wish that
this would happened, and like but no, like it shouldn't matter,
like it's it's okay, it's fine. I don't really care,
and like you don't honor your truth, and so I
feel like it's something that you have to be actually
mindful about and to like really listen to your intuition
and like your inner voice, your inner child, Like you
really have to like honor all of yourself because if

(30:48):
you're not, then you're suppressing yourself, and then it's going
to seem okay for someone else to suppress you because
you're doing it to yourself. Yes, wow, that is that's
so true. Yeah, that is so true. That and then
that's just like a toxic tale starts off topic and
that's the point, right. It's like if you plant a
toxic seed exactly, like that's what's going to grow. Yes,

(31:10):
And it's really hard to then switch to a rosebush
or you know, to grow a beautiful tree or plant
or whatever it is. Like, I wonder, then how do
you then navigate obviously when you do that, when you
are like, well, here's what I'm looking for and here's
what's important to me, how do you then navigate it
when you don't necessarily align or agree? How have you
dealt with that? Because I think that's another healthy thing

(31:32):
to think about. I think we often have this romantic
view of manifestation totally, and I don't think that's what
you're suggesting. But I think a lot of people at
this romantic view that when you're clear, you get exactly
what you want the way you want it. I don't
think that's what you no, no, no, no, no, that's
definitely not the case as well. Like I think that
like everything does come back, yes, not always in the

(31:53):
way that you expect it to exactly, not always at
the time that you wanted to, but it always does
in one form of the And I like, I truly
believe that, and I like see that happening because I'll
sometimes I'll ask for something and I'm like, oh my gosh,
that's so funny. That's not like how I expected it
to come, like like you know, like our on our zoom,
like a tiny little like screen, not like at all

(32:18):
when I was like expecting at all, but like it's
it's the best thing that's ever happens to me. Um.
So I feel like it always it always comes back around. Um.
But like the mindfulness is like so important. Yeah, I mean,
I I love hearing about it. And I can't wait
to see you both together and I can't wait to
hang out. Who by the way, for anyone who doesn't know,

(32:41):
he'll join the meditation when he's like on the field,
like he'll be like in this stance, he'll be, you know,
walking to a game, like you'll be driving to get
whatever it is, and he's he's always on. And I
think there's so much to be said for that as well,
to find people in places of similar values. I've always
been a great encourager of that, is that you're going

(33:03):
to find people when you're doing things that you're both
passionate about and you're not going there to date. Like
it's so funny. I literally was on the phone with
my friend Vince this morning and I was thinking about it,
and I was like, it's so funny because I feel
like all my best relationships have like such an interesting
story as to how we met. Like my friend Vince,
who I was on the phone with, we met in

(33:23):
a yoga class. Wow, and he's like one of my
best friends. My other best friend Gigi, we met like
in Bali because I was there with Oakley, like doing
a surf thing. Even though I'm not a surfer, but
I'm like, you know, I'm all about like trying new
things and having new experiences because I feel like it
builds character and it's also just like a great time.

(33:45):
But like it was like one of those moments as well.
And then like me and Gigi sat across from each
other at the table and we like locked eyes and
we were like, I see you. I see you in
a way that's like different, like my soul sees you. Yeah,
and like it's just so many of my relationships. I'm like,
it's so funny. How like you put yourself into the
right place, in a place of love and you will

(34:06):
attract it. Yeah, definitely, And this is GG you do
workouts with, right, Yes, yes, a lot of things together,
a lot of things in the work during quarantine, we
like really put our minds together and we're like, let's
be creative, Like let's let's keep the ball rolling, and
we like we developed an animated show. We developed like

(34:26):
a reality show for ourselves. We like wrote a future
with our friend and we're just like yeah, I know,
but like all because we sat across from each other
in Bali, that's incredible and I love that that's a
recurring pattern in your life. Oh. Completely that the deepest
relationships you have, whether it's Vince or Gig as you
said now, call that they've come from these places where

(34:48):
you weren't looking for that. Yeah. And so I think
we often hear this idea of like, you don't have
to look for love, and that's not what we're saying.
What we're saying is that you often find it in
a place of mutual value when you're loving yourself and
honoring yourself. Yeah, that's that's the key, That's exactly it.
And and and so much happens when you spend time in
places of purpose totally. Like I feel like when you're

(35:11):
going there for a purpose based reason, yeah, you're more
likely to have this synergy happen. Oh my gosh, the
amount of stuff that happened to me when I went
to Paris for fashion week on my own was like
just what I felt like I had team for months,
but like it was just so cool because I'm like,
Paris Fashion Week is something that I wanted to go
to for a long time, and I was like, you

(35:33):
know what, I'm going to go on my own because
like it'll like it'll really like put me in there
and I and I love that, Like I love those
solo moments where I'm just like out there in the
wilderness on my own, and like you meet people and
like connect with people, and I'm like, some of my

(35:54):
favorite memories that I've had like have been because I've
gone places on my own. How what's given you that?
I love hearing that because I'm the kind of person.
So rather he's been away for three months and we
haven't seen each other. I miss it. Yeah, And she's
coming back in a month and I miss it. So
it will be four months since we've seen each other,
and I cannot wait. I'm about to throw her apart

(36:14):
when she comes back and like fill on, like you know,
we're going to go away and all the rest of
it catch up and make make up for a last time.
But I find that I'm the kind of person that
will take myself out for a three course meal and
I go away and go out or whatever. It is.
What has given you the confidence in doing things alone?
Because I think that is such a healthy habit. I'm

(36:34):
not saying that people should spend all the time alone
and no, no, no, but how have you developed that habit?
Is it just by practice? Is it just by throwing
yourself out there, or now it sounds like it's something
you intentionally do, like Paris Fashion Week. Yeah, I'm sure
you could have taken anyone you wanted to take, but
you went on your own. Yeah. I feel like my
first solo trip was when I was like, it was

(36:58):
right after I did a stint of like really heavy,
emotionally demanding movies. I think Give Me Shelter was the
last one of that, and I came home and I
like genuinely did not know who Vanesso was. I had
like gotten so off on becoming this other person and

(37:22):
like genuinely changed my mindset the way that I looked.
I put on like twenty pounds, cut off all my hair,
like all the things that made me me were not
there anymore. And I was like, I need to do
something because I'm like scared because I don't know who
I am. And I was like, Okay, We're going to

(37:44):
go on a yoga retreat. Of my publicist at the
time was like, either's this retreat. They're doing it the
four seasons. It was like a practice, and I was like, Okay,
I'm just gonna like go on my own because that
scares me. And I was very much in that place
of like do the things that scare you, because you
will evolve, like you're forced to um. And I was like,

(38:06):
you know, like a yoga retreat in Hawaii, like pick
gives me an excuse to be in Hawaii, but also
like have something to do and like know that I'll
be around people because like filming as well as an adult,
Like when I hit eighteen, I would go off to
film things all the time, and I would be on
my own, and so like if I wanted to go

(38:27):
to dinner, like a lot of times, I would just
go by myself and like bring a book, and I
definitely would have those moments where I'm like looking around
like kind of trying to like lock eyes and engage
with anyone. Probably would sit at the bar so I
could like talk to the bartender because like I love
I love people like I love I love just like

(38:48):
talking to people. Yeah, but you start using a different
part of your brain when you do that, Like you
start using a different part of your energy where it's like, oh,
I'm gonna see if I can make something out of nothing. Yeah,
exactly said that you lose as we get older, that's
because most of your life is surround about the same people,
same work people, same life people, and so like when
you're like, oh, I'm trying to talk to the bartender
or I'm trying to look even the idea of locking

(39:09):
eyes with someone random overcome. Yeah, but it's favorite thing.
I literally will like be driving and like well like
turn and just like look at people if I'm stopped
at a red light, and like try to like dance
with people. The other day, this guy was like listening
to a song. We had our windows down, he had
his windows down, and me and my girlfriend were just
like body well and like just like lock and I
was trying to make this person laugh, like it's I

(39:32):
love that. But the trip the yoga retreat in Hawaii
ended up just being like so freeing because I was
just like okay, like I'm here on my own, like
I'm just gonna like talk to people that I connect
with and like go from there, and like genuinely forced
me to stay as present as possible because I was

(39:54):
engaging with people I know nothing about. I feel like
that's the thing I love about talking to people that
you don't know, Like you're forced to be present because
It's like if you're actually trying to engage, which not
everybody that Yeah, and then those are the people you
don't need to engage with. But when you find people
who you can like, it's you say, you're so present

(40:15):
because you're actually listening. Yeah. What I love about hearing
about your life that I'm learning about you today by
being present with you is just you. You are very
present because you have all these beautiful memories, and I
find like these are not ideas in your life. They're
not like just concepts that you intellectually understand. It's like,
I feel like your whole life is an experience. Oh

(40:38):
I went to fashion week because it is, and I
was in this place because to have deep memories, you
have to be deeply present totally, because otherwise you forget
where you were last week or where you were even
yesterday totally. And so how have you become more present?
I mean, how have you practiced that? Or is you've
been like that? Obviously it sounds like, but it's also

(40:59):
sounds like it's very intentional. Again, like how have you
raising your presence when when you're in a space or
in an environment. I think like, honestly, it's come from
the reflection and growth that I've done to like actually
have confidence in myself, to like feel like I can

(41:23):
take up as much space or as little space as
I want, and knowing that I have that choice. I've
always been very present person, and I think that I
positioned myself now. Like It's taken so many years of
like reflection and growth and like doing all the uncomfortable
work to shape me into the person that I am,

(41:46):
and I look back and I'm like, I'm so grateful
for all of it, so grateful for all the achy times,
because there's a lot of icky times in life, but
like by leaning in and like not putting them into
like a storage unit in my mind, but like actually
processing them and like growing and evolving from it has

(42:07):
allowed me to like have confidence in myself because I'm
just like I know that I'm enough, like and I'm like,
I know that, like my point on life is beautiful,
and I know that, like what I want to contribute
to people and to the world is beautiful, and so
I'm like it's all good. It's all good. And that's

(42:29):
the thing, right, Like when you make sense of your
inner world on your own totally, that's where it has
to click, because if it clicks for me, then like
it's okay if it doesn't click for everybody, but like
I know if that like I'm locked in. Yeah, if
you know. I always say to people like, if you
have a decision or a choice you want to make,

(42:50):
and if you know why you're doing it, yeah, and
you're clear on that, it will not bother you if
other people don't understand exactly, but if you don't know
why you're doing it, just like, and that's what I'm
hearing from you. It's that that that inner click has
has has fit for you. And it sounds like during
the pandemic you were extremely innovative, collaborative, seemed like you

(43:14):
were doing a lot of cool stuff. We both shared
this in common. We both launched a different type of
beverage line during the pandemic, and afterwards you launched Cali Water,
which is amazing. Yeah, And I want to hear about
just when when I first th I was like Cactus.
I was like that is so unique, Like it is
so different. I didn't even I didn't even know. And

(43:35):
there's gonna sound really silly, but I was like I
didn't even know you could get totally like I have
cactus to my house, so I'm like, I have no
idea if you can drink it? Yeah, exact us through
some of the some of the and that that's one
of them. I'm sure there's plenty of others. But where
did those ideas and innovations start because that requires such

(43:57):
a different mindset and it sounds like you had this
space to be innovative and creative. You said you were
doing what would Gigi doing this? I love a collaboration. Yeah.
I live for a collaboration because I'm like, I know
what I can bring to the table, and then you
collaborate with people who knows what they can bring to
the table, and it's like you guys have fun doing
it together. Yeah, okay go And that's literally how I

(44:21):
feel like all my business ventures have been, um, you know,
with Callie Water. It was our friend Oliver Trena, Yes, yeah,
who is my business partner, and like he came to
me and he was like we should we need to
like do something together, and he's like there's we could
do like beverages, and he's like, there's like cactus, there's
a lot, there's something there. And like I went to

(44:42):
New Mexico on a road trip and was drinking Prickly
pear Margharita's and I was like, what is this heavenly nectar?
And like why do I know nothing about it? Yeah?
And then started like researching what prickly pears and then
like realized all the health benefits and then you know,
like we're like okay, cool, so like that's like a thing.
There's something there. And then like him like taking the

(45:05):
reins and putting together an incredible team to like put
together this drink and like bring it to life, and
then like me doing like the creative and like the tastings,
and I'm like, nuts a little off, Like I need
something more of this, like maybe a little like more
monkf or like you know, like something um and packaging. Yeah,

(45:27):
I do too, But it's just like it's such a
fun creative outlet for me that like I really enjoy,
Like it's so stimulating to me and exciting and it's
just like really cool being able to be passionate about
something and then like sharing that passion with the masses. Yeah. Yeah,
it's awesome. No, I highly recommend everyone grabs it because

(45:49):
it's I just love seeing people find multiple ways to
express themselves and not being scared and not feeling limited
by like, oh, I'm an actress, as should be that,
or like I'm at this. Yeah, I'm like, but we're
all just creative artists individuals, and when we can just
like paint through every single color and every single brush,

(46:11):
there's nothing wrong with that, and I think it should
be encouraged more. And I think often we feel limited
and restricted by what we think people will think and
what they literally and we stop realizing that we just
have to color more and paint more and get out
there more. Is there something you do to tap into
more creativity or innovation? Is there any habits or any
rituals you have or is that also same connected with

(46:34):
doing the intuitive work. It's literally all intuitive, I feel,
and it's like it's it's the magic thing. I think
that like when I'm doing things that I'm inspired to
do and I honor those inspirations, the thrill and the
fulfillment that comes along with it is like what I

(46:55):
imagine it's like to have kids. You know, It's like
because you're put I'm like such a vulnerable piece of
uniquely you into something and then and then sharing it
and so it's like it's such a vulnerable thing. Um.
Like I I came up with like a reality show
for me and Gigi, and I'm like, it's so funny

(47:17):
because I, like fifteen years ago would be like I
would never do a reality show, like I am a
serious actress. Um, But this this show, like I I
came up with, like I birthed it from my mind
and I was just like, this is something that I
love and like would love to do because I feel

(47:37):
like it would be hilarious and it's a great time.
But also like yeah, we're hysterical if we have something. Um,
but like also so creative and like down to what
we're wearing in our show and like who we're partnered
with and like just putting on the business hat. Like

(47:57):
it's it's really exciting. I'm like, she's a she's a woman,
Like she's making moves just because I'm like leaning into
my interest and like honoring the ideas that I have
rather than like pushing them down. And the show's happening.
You know, we're waiting on something. But like it's been

(48:22):
so exciting because we've like literally gotten so many of
our ducks in the row where we're like this would
be the dream and then like it's falling into place,
and I love that. It's just so nice because I'm
doing it all like with people that I love. Yeah,
I love hearing about ideas when they're being formed, Yeah,
because it's it's special. Like we usually hear about like oh,
we just made the show. Yeah, and then it's like,

(48:42):
but this is the part that's so interesting because it's like, well,
we did this, and now we did this and we're
waiting for this and we're figuring this out and I'm
hoping that everyone who's listening or watching is hearing it, going, oh,
that's normal, Like yeah, literally stems from an idea, Yeah
what if? What if? And then like building it off
of there, and like that's why I love doing things

(49:03):
with my friends because the snowballing is so real, you know,
Like is that what it's called? Yeah, And it's just
like the best thing because like even like the future
feature that we did, like it was me, Gigi and
our friend Asha, who has written for like American Horror
Story and like we love American Horror Story and it

(49:24):
totally fits with a vibe of like our idea and
she was like, you guys are at a feature and
we were like yeah, and then we were like, okay,
so what if it starts here and it's about like
these four witches and like it just snowballs from there
and it's just like it's so cool because I feel
like everything that I'm doing is something that I'm like
so passionate about, and like I'm really like carving out

(49:45):
time to like stay super engaged in everything that I'm
doing and not just like taking a back seat. Well,
that's what I was gonna ask you, Like, how are you?
And I can see that, I mean every idea, everything
we've spoken about today, I can tell how passionate you.
It's in flow, it's in your heart, it's it's there.
So that's so evident to me as someone who I

(50:08):
feel like I live a very similar life and that
I do a lot of different things that I'm passionate about.
How are you prioritizing making time to do all of that?
Like what works for you? Because I'm sure there's a
lot of people going, oh wow, Like you know, Vanessa
is doing a ton of stuff. I mean, she has
new movies coming out, she's doing this, and she's doing this,
and she's building this, Like how do you make sense

(50:29):
of doing so many different things? And how do you
balance it? Because you're still you're still working out, you're
still doing your your own personal practices. How are you
balancing and managing that? All? I think it's about like
really honoring my my my needs and like having a
strong priority list. Um, I feel like right now I'm
being very clear and intentional with my my career. Um.

(50:53):
In acting, I'm like, I'm not doing anything unless like
it pushes me in a new way, challenges me in
a new way, or it's with people that I can
work with that I like really respect and I know
will help me evolve and grow. Um. Otherwise, I'm like,
I only want to be doing things that like I'm
producing because then I'm like I have like a say

(51:17):
on the story and like the way that it looks
and like the way that shot. Like you know, like
I can be like so much more creative to like
the overall outcome of the movie because a lot of times,
like so many things end up on the cutting room
floor and like that's fine, but you're like you watch
and you're like, oh they went with that take interesting,

(51:37):
and You've like no say over yeah, it's tough, but
like I'm like as a producer, I like can come
in and like can help like build out projects, and
like I can I can actually dream them up myself
and like bring them to the table and like find
producers that I really respect and admire and like use

(51:57):
their minds to like snow of all with and see
how we can work together to bring it to life.
And I just feel like it's it's so much more
fulfilling for me as an actress to be able to
be a part of that creative which is why I'm
like one day, one day I will direct because I'm
like it's something that I love so much, and I'm

(52:19):
like my point of view is, i think, not what
a lot of people would think because they did like
get to know me from high school musical. I'm like,
my taste is like weird and it's trippy and it's
dark sometimes. So I'm like that's something that I would
love to eventually get to. But like I have that

(52:42):
aspect of my life, and then I have like the
business side of things where I'm like making sure I
just gone assistant like for the first time because I
was like I am too busy and I need to
like honor my time and like I need help. I
was just like doing everything on my own, but so
like I have her and I'm like now I'm like

(53:03):
every top of the week, I'm like, Okay, we need
to check in with these people, like set up calls
and we'll get it done. And I'm like sure to
check in with all the businesses, like see what they need,
see where we're at, and then like making sure that
I have my me time, which is hard because i

(53:23):
feel like the me time also funnels into like my
relationship because that is what I want, Like I want
to be with my partner. But I'm like, also my
work I feel also drives my slight me time too
because I'm like I'm I'm here in La. I'm not
with him at the moment because i have things that

(53:45):
I'm doing here and like like my flat Papletics collection
is coming out in April, and I'm like that is
something that I like designed myself, like another full creativity step.
But I'm like here and I like get to talk
about it and like I feel like it's just so
like I said, so nice to have these things that

(54:05):
I'm like putting a lot of myself into and being
able to talk about them and like share them with
others and like hopefully that connects me with other people
who are like minded as well. You know, well, all
I experience from you today is this abundance, Like there's
an abundance of creativity in your life. There's an abundance
of expression. There's also an abundance of like genuine confidence

(54:27):
in who you are and how you show up and
and everything you're doing. And I love seeing it, Like
it's so fun. I find it's so fun to observe
that in someone, Yeah, because I appreciate that it's taken
work and that it's not something that that person was
just given totally. And so yeah, just just viewing you
today and observing you today and like it's amazing. It's

(54:50):
electric to experience that through someone. Thank you, And I
congratulated for all those aspects. Thank you, because it's I'm
sure there's lots of people listening and watching, going, oh,
I can be everything I want to be. Yeah, you'll care,
it's okay, Yeah, totally. You know, we don't have to
like we don't have to choose anymore you have to limit.

(55:12):
You can be everything. And that was like a big
wake up call for me. I was like, no one
is one thing, Like we're so allowed, and like it
should be celebrated to be as many different things as
you can be, as long as they're honest and truthful
and like coming from within, not from an idea of
what you think you should be doing. That's it. Yeah, Vanessa,

(55:33):
You've been so generous with your time. I'm like, I
could sit here and talk forever. I mean, you've been
I know you've been traveling, and I've been moving around.
I know you're catching up. So I want to express
to you so much gratitude from my heart for your time,
your energy turning up to the zen zones, your friendship,
your reflections in the zen zones, Like I always feel

(55:54):
like you'll come in and you'll open up, and then
everyone else feels inspired to open up some more as well,
and and even today, like it has truly been wonderful
to witness just what exudes from you. And I really
appreciate that. I appreciate you. You're very kind. Thank you,
and we all do sentence which which energies are. Yeah,

(56:21):
but we end every on Purpose episode with what we
call the Final Five. These are five fast questions that
have to be answered in one word to one sentence
maximum love it. You can take your time to think
about them, but the answers attire so all right. So
the first question is what is the best advice you've
ever received or herd in this moment of my life

(56:42):
where I am honor yourself. M that's great advice. We've
never had that before in the show. Great advice. It's
a good short sentence too. It is beautiful, easy to remember. Yeah,
it's so because I feel like it's so easy to
not in so many different aspects, and it's like if
you actually do, then like you can like live your

(57:03):
truth and that's what we're all trying to do right.
Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever received? Ahead? Um,
like maybe always say yes. I feel like, um, saying
yes can like definitely be a wonderful thing. But I

(57:25):
think it's what you say no to that shapes you
your character. That's great advice. I really like that. That's beautiful.
See good. Yeah, the stillness is good. Yeah, it does
it does, okay. Question number three, how would you define
your current purpose or the current impact you're trying to
have in the world? And spread joy. Honestly, Yeah, I

(57:52):
feel like I have an abundance of it. If I
can share it, that's like the most beautiful thing I
can offer. I love that. Yeah, that's beautiful. All right.
Question number four, what's the first thing you do in
the morning and the last thing you do at night?
Oh God, I hate my answer, but if I'm going
to answer truth, it's probably like, well, it depends on

(58:14):
where I am. Yes, Like if I'm with Darla, I
like just find her and like hold her, Yes, have
a little cuddle and like I think I like I'm
a big like deep breather in the morning, like get
back into breath, but like check my phone. Yeah, But
it also like depends like on if I'm on my

(58:36):
own or if I'm with Cole, Yeah, because I'm like
if I'm with him, then it's like, oh, like my
first thing is like, oh, gratitude and just like love. Um.
If I'm on my own, I'm just like, Okay, what
do we got for this? Thank you for the honesty.
But I also like the answers, all right. Fifth and
final question, if you could create one law that everyone

(58:59):
in the world had to follow or one habit that
everyone had to do every day? What would it be
think before you speak? Oh wow, that was I don't
know if that's like the that's just the first one
that popped into my mind, but like it's it's I
feel like we all, we all could navigate through life
a bit better if we really stopped to, like really

(59:22):
think before we spoke and be impeccable with your word. Yes,
I'm just going to go into the four group. Done.
Great book changed my life. Yeah, but yeah, I feel
like I don't know, I'm such a such a lover,
and it really bums me out when people get into

(59:44):
arguments and they say things that they don't mean because
they're not thinking before they speak, and like the miscommunication
that comes along with it. It's just like it's it's
heartbreaking to me when relationships can be like just deeply
tarnished and those moments of like heighted heightened emotions. Yeah,

(01:00:06):
just because we didn't just because we didn't pause. You're
so right that I feel like relationships have ruined just
because we didn't breathe literally didn't pause. Yeah, we didn't
take that moment of stillness to respond and not react.
You destroy lifelong relationships because you misinterpreted a word, or

(01:00:27):
you misunderstood an emotion exactly, or you misconstrued a feeling. Yeah,
it's incredible. Also like just speak your mind. I think balance,
it's like the balance of it because I feel like
I grew growing up in the industry is like tough.
This is not an answer we said one sentence now,

(01:00:51):
Like growing up in the industry is tough. And I
feel like it was really easy for me to just
like put on my professional face because like I was
doing what I loved like such an early age. So
for me, I was like, okay, like this is my
adult voice, Like this is my adult thoughts. Um, And
it was like so easy for me to like not
just like speak up. And I, like I said, like,

(01:01:14):
if you're suppressing one aspect of yourself, then like it
dripples into everything. And I feel like in relationships through
the years, like I look back and I'm like, there's
there's so many moments where I'm like if I just
would have like spoken up and like said how I how,
I've actually felt like so much pain and like tears

(01:01:34):
could have been avoided. Um. But like by going through that,
like I now know like how important it is to
like speak up and like honor yourself. Because of the
times that I didn't, it doesn't make it any easier,
Like it's still like something that like even I have
to like be like okay, brave face, we're talking about
this now, and like genuinely have to hide myself up

(01:01:58):
for um But I I feel like so many women
get into relationships where they're suppressing themselves and like or
probably men too, you know, like and I just I'm
I'm so about like living as openly and freely and
truthfully as possible because that's where I feel like the
magic sits, the creativity sits, Like that's where if there's

(01:02:21):
an abundance of all of it. Um So, I think
it's so important to like push yourself to get there.
That is a beautiful thing to end up like that
is such a great like grounding message for us to
throw into the world. Vanessa, As I said before, I'm
so grateful for your time and your presence, just what

(01:02:42):
you've brought to this today, for bringing Dala having a
little wonderful Dala. Do you have anything you'd like to say,
any any message for our audience. I love life. That's
a great message, and I want to thank everyone who's
been listening and watching today, And what I'd love for
you to do is tag Vanessa and I when you
share the messages that resonated, the magic that came through

(01:03:03):
the maybe ideas or insights that Vanessa mentioned that you're
going to try and practice and apply in your life.
I love knowing what you're switching from information to action.
That gives me so much joy knowing that you listen
to this podcast but then you make a shift in
your life. Please tag me and Vanessa on all social
media platforms to let us know what's resonating with you

(01:03:23):
and what's connecting with you. Keep listening to on purpose,
and please, please please go and shower Vanessa with so
much love. She has so much exciting stuff coming up,
whether it's her new line with Fabletics, whether it's Cali Water.
She's this is probably gonna come out later, but she
hosted the pre show at the Oscars. I'm just so

(01:03:45):
excited to see what you're going to continue to do.
I'm excited for this movie you're going to direct, this
reality show, but more than anything, I'm really excited to
deep enough friendship connection with Cole as well with Raley too,
and I love how you show up in the world
and I'm so grateful that I get to know you.
So thanks for Nan, Thank you so much. You

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