In this episode you’ll find out what the band Toto, the hit song “Rosanna,” and a hot tub all have in common, what bands really go through to come up with the perfect name, the story behind Brian’s so called “little” audition at the Super Bowl for living legend, Paul McCartney’s, band and the breaking points that lead both he and Steve Lukather to sobriety.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're listening to the After Show, the bonus episode series
for On Tour with Brian Ray. This is a production
of I Heart Radio and Black Barrel Media and I'm
your host Mandy Wimmer. In the after Show, we dive
a little deeper into Brian's thoughts about certain parts of
the interviews, as well as expound a bit more on
his own experiences on tour. In this episode, we get
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into Brian's personal Toto story involving a hot tub and
the song Roseanna. We hear what bands really go through
to come up to come up with the perfect name,
the story behind brian so called little audition at the
Super Bowl with living legend Paul McCartney and one hundred
million people watching on television, and the breaking points both
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he and Steve had that led them into sobriety. Here's
my conversation with Brian Ray. Hello, Brian, how are you today?
Hey Mandy? How are you? I'm just great. It seems
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like forever right, I mean, how do you feel? We
are fully on tour now we're at top three of
the tour with now Steve Lucathar. We are, Yeah, It's
just the train keeps a rolling, so Steve. My god,
I mean, what an amazing career and very very long career.
I meant, plus years in the industry. You guys started
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when you were babies with Marie and Sharie Curry. Just
too crazy. Steve was the boyfriend, as he talks about,
and you came into play guitar, so all of a sudden,
now there's three guitar players. I mean, any any crazy
stories from those days, You guys didn't really get into that.
I was just back from a long stay in Switzerland,
where I had been living sort of for for six months,
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and that I had been getting over an injury to
my arm and now finally had mobility, and I was
ready to play and didn't know exactly what I was
going to do next. I got a call from my
friend Joey Brasler saying, Hey, would you join me, uh
and Steve Lucath with the Curry sisters Marie and Sharie Curry.
And you knew of Steve at that point, of course, Yeah,
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And I I loved my buddy Joey, and I think
I had met Steve Lukath there before, But in any case,
I took a second to think it over and then
said yes. I'd love to do that. And uh so
we put this band together, Steve Luk at there being
the boyfriend of Marie Curry at the time. I don't
think they were married yet, and it was going to
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be like a wall of guitars, three guitar players up front,
shredding away, you know, with our crazy hair flying, you know,
back when all the drugs were working, you know, and
you know, back in the day, it was such a Yeah,
it was such a fun time. It wasn't a big
venue tour. It was like clubs, but they were hot
off a new album, and uh, it was just terrific, fun,
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just wild. I would love to have been a fly
on the wall with you and Steve Luca Thur in
your heyday on that tour. There's a picture somewhere of
at least Joey and I upfront shredding away, and I'll
see if we can get that. I've asked Joey for it,
get it out there on social media. Oh my god. Maybe.
Thank god social media wasn't around during those days. Probably
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for the best it wasn't around. I mean, you really
don't want to know. Well, so, moving on from Marie
and Tree, Curry a huge band Toto, I mean so
many amazing hits. I love Toto, Africa, Rosanna, I mean
some of these mega hits. Steve being a founding member
the Procaro Brothers, you know back in high school. I mean,
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they just did amazing sessions, all these huge hits. What
were your thoughts on this band at that time? Well, so,
as a musician, we were very all aware of the
Procaro Brothers, you know, and Luca and David Page and
these guys who were huge, as you said, uh, session masters,
getting all the calls for Quincy Jones and for everybody,
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and you know, the word got out that they were
doing sort of a super band out of this group
of great accomplished session guys, and there wasn't a bad
singer or writer among them. Were just terrific. And it's
so funny. I remember being I was on a getaway,
as I often do, get away as often as possible,
get away. I was out in desert Hot Springs at
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this little place called Two Bunch Palms that I've been
going to since forever. And uh, I was in the
mineral springshet with a natural mineral springs at hundred four
degrees and you're like, ah, a nice autumn day, and uh,
this woman comes into the mineral bathroom. We start a
little conversation and uh she you know, we're just chatting away.
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She goes, my boyfriend just wrote a song for me.
I just came from the studio and I have a
rough mix of it. And I go, that's that's great, amazing.
I think that I'm about to hear it. Anyway, She
runs off to get her walkman because that's what we
were listening to back then, and her little you know, headphones,
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and brought him into the uh, into the side of
the mineral pool, and she gives me the headphones. I
put it on and here comes this song Rosanna what Yeah,
it was Rosanna Arquette And she is playing me this
new song by Toto and I'm listening to it. I'm going,
oh my god, this is amazing. This is like, this
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is like a spectacular movie for your ears and I
and I remember thinking, I don't think it's a single,
but but it's terrific. So maybe your instincts were a
little off on that one. Yeah, maybe just a little bit.
What do I know? So who was her boyfriend Steve Picaro? Oh, okay, Okay, alright, wow,
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what a small world. So did you when you listen
to it, did you know this to Pricaro, this is Toto?
Or howd you together? Alright, alright, how cool? What a
crazy story. So one of the funniest stories I think
that Steve tells in this interview is the naming of
the band Toto. I again, I'm not going to do
it justice. You just gotta go listen to. His version
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of the story is hysterical, but it definitely raises the
point that naming bands is hard. Naming bands, naming companies,
naming anything is challenging. It's something you're stuck with forever.
You have to love it. I mean it's it's really
hard to figure out. Does no one else have it?
Does it sound like this? You know, your band the Bayonets.
Do you guys have any great stories about how did
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you come up with it? Yeah? Well, you know, I
mean it's so true. It's it's one of those things
that you look forward to and you sort of cringe
at having to do naming your band because you wanted
to sort of, you know, portray the feeling, characterize what
it is that you're doing some kind of way. Um,
and the problem is that that it always devolves into
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ridiculous hilarity. And in the case of the Bayonets, my
band with my buddy Oliver liber Uh currently on hiatus uh.
Our naming went on for months and months of late
night text sending back and forth the dumbest, funniest, dirtiest
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things you've ever heard. It's just back and forth and
back and forth, laughing our asses off for the longest
time until I said, look at man, this is really funny,
but we gotta find a name. That's what it always
comes to that we got Okay, we gotta do this now. Yeah.
And I heard a speech by our former president Barack Obama.
It wasn't a speech, actually was in the debates, and
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he was replying to Mitt Romney who he was interacting with,
and said something about Romney tried to get in a
crack about war, and I said, you don't need these,
you know, yeah, this or that, or you need more
of this than that. And Barack Obama says, well, we
don't really need bayonets and horsemen. You know. He was
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making the point that, you know, we're fighting a different
war now. And I just thought bayonets and Horsemen, great
band name, So we just shortened it down to the
Bayonets and there you go. That's amazing. And did you
when you texted as to him, was he like that's it?
Or was there some convincing I think yeah. I had
a lobby him from a lot. I hired some lobbyists,
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you know, boughtom up, you know, lunch, and lobbied him, well,
you want good job. At a certain point I just said,
you know, this is the name. Yeah, he just got
the name. Yeah, No, we're done. We're done with this.
So when you guys are on tour, you guys are human, right,
you're traveling, you're in close quarters. You know there's people
get run down. You're going from stop to stop, city
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to city, you're around a million people. Clearly you get sick.
This is what happens. And Steve talks about again historical
story of when he got food poisoning on stage, and
you've told the story before as well about when you
had food poison on stage and you got through it.
Steve unfortunately has to run off stage and it's completely
hysterical again something that you have to listen to, But
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that happens. You know, people, people get sick, you know,
and if you're not the frontman of a band and
they're not necessarily going to cancel the show for you,
or maybe sometimes they have to. You guys don't have understudies.
This isn't Broadway. How does that work? Yeah, I mean
it's a great question. It's a miracle that tours aren't
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canceled roten because somebody got very ill. And uh, it's
a miracle that so many shows in a tour go
off without a hitch in terms of the band, right
And in the case of our band with Paul McCartney,
it's it's been nearly twenty years, and in twenty years
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we only canceled one show and we came and made
it up later. And uh, because someone got sick. No,
Paul got a laryngitis, and uh, you know, he came
in and tried, we played the sound check, and he
just wasn't feeling like he could put his best show forward,
so he wisely pulled the plug, and you know, they understood,
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we came back and made it up. In the case
of me, I was I was playing with Edda James
and the only show I've ever missed was just one
that got written down incorrectly, and she calls me from
Santa Barbara, two hours north of l A, going, we're
on in a half hour and you're not here yet.
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So you just wrote down the wrong date. I turned
white as a ghost, whiter than I already was, and
it just felt terrible. And anyway, so were you sick
or you just got the date rong? We got the
dates wrong, We just got communication wrong. And uh yeah,
that was a tough one to bear. But like Steve did,
I got food poisoning on stage once, as I said
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in our episode, and man, I don't know how I
got through that, but they brought me up on a
bar stool and I just you know, played through that,
but I got very very ill. So, in terms of edit,
so did they play the show without you? Then they
just had to go on with There was one other
guitar player or no, I was usually the only guitar
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player in her band, and the musical director, so uh,
you know, there were just there was a sax player
who played Oregon and uh and sas and sang a lot,
and a second keyboard player, so they probably just did
a whole lot of keyboard and sax solos all night.
Oh my gosh. Wow, that's nuts. That's I mean awesome
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for her to be able to kind of keep going
through all of that. But I guess the show must
go on. Yeah, the show must go on, and edit
James is not you know, uh doesn't have a lack
of ability to carry a show, you know, right, of course,
of course, so in talking about people that carry shows,
the Beatles, there's something about the Beatles that I am
completely fascinated by, and that is that they are still
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today legends, and they are and some of them living legends.
Of course, everybody in the world knows the name the Beatles,
and they were only together for eight years, and Steve
talks about this, you know, the canon of music that
was left by the Beatles and the legacy that was
left by the beat Beatles and only being around for
for eight years. Yeah, I mean they did start out
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earlier than that. That's uh eight years with the name
of the Beatles. But before that they were uh, you know,
the Silver Beatles, and they had a few iterations were interesting.
But that final lineup with that name, recording as that
band with that name was eight years and it's remarkable,
You're right, I mean, they're not just legends. They're the
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biggest act ever. There will never be another band that
has a kind of socio culture impact that they had.
It's just it's not going to happen again. Uh, And
it is remarkable that in that brief period of time
they left such a mark for generations to come. You know,
you see look out in the audience and you'll see
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an older gentleman with you know, his grandchild on his shoulders,
singing every word and she's like four. And then you
go like, oh my god, their future is safe because
these kids I want to know the songs right. That's
and I've been to a few of the shows and
that it is remarkable. You do see people of all
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ages who absolutely love the music. It's a huge compliment
to the Beatles Now sessions. So this is something I
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wasn't as familiar with until we had this conversation with Steve.
And he has been on some mega hits, A thriller,
beat It, Lionel Richie, I mean, you you name it, Steve, Luca,
there has probably been a part of it. I mean
one question on that is that just explained to me.
And maybe this is naive, but you have guitar players
playing in the sessions that are not necessarily part of
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the touring band, So they're not playing the show's live, right,
So they're they're playing in the studio album, but they're
not playing the show live. So how does that work? Well,
I mean it's it's sort of two different career paths.
You know, you're a studio musician because of the skill
set that you've honed, or you've concentrated more on touring
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and playing live with a certain identified with a certain artists,
like I was with Edna James and often those meat
and as the case was with Edda James, I started
recording with her a year after I got with her
and did my first album with her and and um
Fort Lee, New Jersey, you know, at Chess Records, and
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there was the band already built in and I was
the only white guy, and you know, so you kind
of learn quickly how to adapt in And then two
years after that, I was recording a new album with
Edna James, with the great Jerry Wexler producing there in
Los Angeles with some of the biggest names in and
recorded music alongside of us. Jerry Wexler, of course, with
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a wreath of Franklin fame. Uh, you know he produced
respect right right? Oh my gosh, huge. Are there any
sessions that you've been involved in that you that we
wouldn't know? Kind of like Steve Tons really, but if
you'll all go to I think it's called all music
dot Com. They've done a really good job of uh
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categorizing and noting everyone's accomplishment anywhere. If you're anybody, it's
in there. Really. What is all music dot com? Yes,
you just look up the person. You can see all
the songs that go to all music dot com and
search your pal whoever that is. Oh my gosh, that's
super cool. Okay, I'm doing that before our next after show.
We're gonna have more to talk about on that. Okay.
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So you, you and Steve also have kind of an
interesting connection in the fact that Steve snubs the King
of Pop, Michael Jackson in a super awkward way and
it is so funny. And you had a very similar
experience with Paul. You had your audition show with the
super Bowl and then he kind of welcomed you to
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the team. After that show, you went home to cram
all the music and get ready for tour and and
all of a sudden, you get a phone call from
Paul McCartney and you do not believe it's him. Clearly
you were not expecting the phone call. So tell us
give us a little insight into what you were thinking. Yeah, well,
I mean, honestly, no one's expecting a phone call from
Paul McCartney, you know, just as Stephen wasn't expecting a
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call from Michael Jackson. But yeah, the phone rings. I'm
at home and there's a voice that comes on, Hi, Brian,
I go, hello, this is High's Paul. I went Paul
who and he goes, you know, pulled the bass player,
and I go, oh, yes, Paul McCartney, and I go,
no way, And he just laughed so hard. He handed
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the phone to John, his assistant, and they just laughed
for for about five minutes. So what was he calling for?
Just to say he was loving watching some video we
had just recorded. It was very early days. Oh that's
so cute. He called you personally to tell you that
I love that. So your audition with him was the
Super Bowl. I just I honestly don't know if there
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is a bigger audition known to man. I mean, you
have people in the audience that are there live, and
then you've got a hundred million people watching on TV
and you are next to this living legend, Paul McCartney
singing Beatles songs. This is the first show that you've
ever done with him. Did you meet him before you
went on stage? Okay? You you guys had rehearsed and
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everything correct. Okay, yes, okay, So but how that to
step on stage with her? How much pressures on you?
And what are you thinking before you What song did
you play? First of all, it's a song called Freedom
and it was a song from his album called Driving Rain.
And uh yeah, I mean no pressure at all. Right,
Just a hundred million people worldwide at least and seventy
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thousand in the stadium, and it's my audition. It's going
to be my first time, you know, being seen with
Paul McCartney. And now I had told a group of
my friends that I was about to do this, but
there's nothing that can take away the sort of sheer,
you know, impact that this is about to happen, you know,
And so we did it and it kind of went
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like a dream, you know. It's like four minutes or whatever,
and don't you remember any of it. Sure I do.
And then I remember we were all sort of whisked
off to go up to a sky box to watch
the rest of the game, well, to watch the whole game.
This was pre show two thousand two, before the national
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anthem one song, and we later came back to do
the halftime show. That's that's a separate thing. This was
two thousand two, earliest of days, My very first thing.
We come back up, go up to our sky box
and we're watching the game, and Paul's sitting up there
and and the rest of us are scattered in those
little seats that they have in front of a sky box,
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and we're watching the game, and I'm going, like that
just happened. Oh my god, that's so cool. Then you
walk up and you start socializing, and here comes when
Owner Judd and Paul chatting with her, and then I
popped by and he called me. Brian Camaron introduces me
to one own and her great red hair flaring, and
he said, uh, he said, well, no, no, this is
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this is Brian. This is his little audition. And I said, yeah,
this is my little audition, just my little intimate audition
before you go on stage of the Super bowl. What
is going through your mind? I mean your mind is
racing obviously, you know your mind, your heart and everything.
Did you have any anything you did for good luck
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before you went on stage? Or was it everything was
moving too fast? I cried no, not at all. You know,
often I will actually go pray. So you know that's
something that has guided me and helped me through Sometimes
it's just, you know, a way to reset and connect
with something other than your own imagination. You know what
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I mean? Do you do that? Is that kind of
your pre show tradition? Do you do that before every show?
Off and on? Not all the time? So you and
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you and Steve also really get into sobriety. Really. Steve
talks very candidly about how sorit, alcoholism, rug use almost
ruined his career in the service. Sobriety really, he credits
was saving his career, that he was squandering his career.
He was people were calling him out. He was super
puffy when he looked in the mirror. He couldn't look
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at himself. He was day drinking. He's very open about
this in the interview, and you asked him, was there
a breaking point? Was there that point where he just said,
all right, enough is enough. You obviously have a sobriety
story as well that you've spoken openly about. Was there
a breaking point for you? Yeah, you know, it's it's
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similar to Steve in that I was having a great
career and I had not blown my career, and but
I knew that things were not going as well as
they should and and I was sort of was having
a really bad day. I had blown up my car,
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I had pissed someone off. You know, I'd really done that,
you know, like the trifecta, blow up your car, piss
off of and you know, someone cancels on you. And
I was just feeling really sorry for myself and called
a friend of mine, uh named Katie, who was a
very big actress, an old friend of mine that I
went to junior high with, and uh, I was, you know,
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telling my story of woe, you know, woe is me.
And she goes after a little while, she goes, Okay,
well I gotta go. I'm going to a meeting. And
it's like six thirty at night. I kind of meeting,
are going to it this end? She said, well, I'm
going to a twelve step meeting. And I said, whoa Wow,
I didn't know that you needed that. She goes, well,
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I don't know that I do either. I thirty days sober,
and I like how it feels, and I went, well,
I'll come along with you and support you with this
new thing. You know. Come to find out she was
tricking me into going because she could tell I could
use it. And I went and that was that was
the end of it for me. Crazy thing. I didn't
finish the joint when I got home, never finished join
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mid joint. I'm left mid joint. Wow, you came home
and you threw it away and you never looked back.
It actually stayed in my drawer for a little while,
just as a little, you know, safety accomplist, just in
case things cut wild. Wow, I stuck it out, man.
And so how many years I just celebrated thirty four years? Congrats,
it's amazing. That's a huge accomplishment. Well, you know, I
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wouldn't be doing things that I'm doing at the level
I'm doing if I would have continued the way I
was going. Right, the handwriting was on the wall, Yes,
that was not just handwriting. There's a lot of things
on the wall. That's for another aftershow. All right, so
we're going to wrap it up with the audience questions
and are lightning round. So we had a lot of
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great audience questions again and please also keep them coming,
so we are going to keep ticking them off during
every after show. One that I thought was really interesting
is when you guys are out, you tour with a
Beatle with a form of Beatle, Paul McCartney, And one
of the questions was why do you never play the
Beatles guitars on tour? Well, I play guitars that work
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for the song to my ears. Also, we are famously
not a karaoke band. So there's a lot of bands
out there doing tribute that do it very well, lots
of them all over the world. We've seen one in Japan.
Japanese guys they did Paul McCartney tribute, the Beatles Tribute,
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Beatles tribute, okay, and so, and they'll play all the
guitars for the various eras of the Beatles, and there
were many of the guitars and basses and drums they
used back then, and it just isn't really our choice. Also,
you know, um, that's not the point. It's more the
point to sort of um, approximate the tone and bring
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it to life. You know, it's not a museum. It's
these are living you know, breathing arrangement by living men
on stage playing the songs in real time. And so
you guys are ad living on stage a lot of
the time. Or is it you're obviously very well rehearsed,
But do you kind of do different things during different
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shows or how does that go? Well? Sure, to an extent,
we're humans, you know, and Paul is very in the
moment um. At the same time, the songs are sort
of sacrosanct, you know. There there is a great deal
of reverence and respect for these songs and every hook
embedded inside well us Beatle fans, we would hang on
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to every single note and everything. People in the audience
are hanging onto that and they want to hear their
memories delivered in the way that resonates with them. So
we we appreciate that we're reverend, but we're also humans.
So Paul, might you know, play a little different guitar
lick and that might make me play different you know,
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basslick and it's on like that, and uh, but you know,
the background vocals and many of the solos are sort
of note for note, as you really want to serve
up what people are used to. Absolutely and that that
makes total sense. And one person asked about rituals and
traditions pre show, which we really kind of already talked
about unless you have anything else, Oh yeah, so well,
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you know, Paul will often come to the dressing room
and we'll just hang out and do a little bit
of singing and stuff like that. But uh, you know,
if you've ever seen any DVD of US live, you'll
see some of that included, right right, Yeah, And I
pretty much stay away from talking about all the details,
but yeah, it's yeah, there's a lot of information out
there on that stuff. Okay, So last audience question for
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today is your early inspirations. You have talked about the
Beatles and Elvis, but I know you've also talked about,
you know, blues and how you like that's really where
rock and roll began. So any other early inspirations you know,
your favorite blues artists or anyone else besides the Beatles
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or Elvis that really kind of inspired you. Well, it's
interesting I discovered rhythm and blues and blues music and
doo wop music from a pirate radio station blasting out
of Tijuana, Mexico, with this wild DJ who had this
great personality, and he had this wolf Call going on
in the background, all echoe, you know, and I'm oh,
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my god, who is this freaky guy? You know? And
really intriguing, really compelling. It was wolf Man. Jack went
on to be a huge star um and he liked
that music. He didn't play a whole lot of the
sort of more white pop. He didn't play a lot
of this sort of manicured produced, uh you know pop
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of the era. He tended more towards rhythm and blues
and R and B doo wop, and I just he
was serving up something on that radio station that really
caught fire for me, and it would sort of light
my soul to go back and look at the music
that it had informed people like the Beatles, the Stones,
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you know, and that was you know, my favorites like
Albert King and bb King and Otis Rush and Bobby
Bland and all all these great musicians, Howland Wolf, all
of these guys that really built the foundation that rock
and roll was built upon. You know. Obviously Chuck Berry
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right right of where, Yeah, I hear you talk about
shot quite a bit, very nice. Well, so the lightning
round you. Okay again, do we remember one is music
and one is not music? Okay, it's very serious. There's
no thinking and one or number one music question. You
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are not just a guitar player, you right, And you
sing as well, and you your music gets played often
on the underground garage, even Van Zant's serious radio station.
So my question to you is, of all of your
original music that you have created, which currently is your favorite. Well,
it's funny you should ask that question right after me
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telling the story about Wolfman Jack, because I have a
song called Pirate Radio, which is I guess about a
year old now, that is on Wicked Cool Records, that
a little Steven played a lot on the radio station,
and then a more recent one called got a New Thing.
So those would be my two favorites, if I'm allowed
to Those are the two. Not really, that's kind of cheating,
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but it's already out there, so I can't put it
back in the tube. We're gonna let this slide this week,
but next week, no, that's not gonna happen. Okay, alright,
So next question has nothing to do with music. Professionally.
If you were not a musician, what would you be
m It's a great question. Well, I love architecture and
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that kind of thing, so I would probably be an architect,
except that would require a ton of schooling and I
don't want to go back to school, so I'm just
going to stay into music. Are you. Are you sketching
around the house at all, like practicing just as a hobby. No,
I just take it in, you know. You know, we're
out here in the desert right now and Palm Springs
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and there's so much great sort of cutting edge mid
century architecture that's original, that's you know, very much um
appreciated here and conserved. Yeah, there's a great conservation move
out here and I just love that stuff. Yeah, awesome,
I love it all right. Well, that wraps up Week
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three of the tour. We will see you next week.
Sounds good, I'll be here. Thank you everyone for listening
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You're listening to the After Show, the bonus episode series
for On Tour with Brian Ray. This is a production
of I Heart Radio and Black Barrel Media and I'm
your host Mandy Wimmer. In the after Show, we dive
a little deeper into Brian's thoughts about certain parts of
the interviews, as well as expound a bit more on
his own experiences on tour. In this episode, we get
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into Brian's personal Toto story involving a hot tub and
the song Roseanna. We hear what bands really go through
to come up to come up with the perfect name,
the story behind brian so called little audition at the
Super Bowl with living legend Paul McCartney and one hundred
million people watching on television, and the breaking points both
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he and Steve had that led them into sobriety. Here's
my conversation with Brian Ray. Hello, Brian, how are you today?
Hey Mandy? How are you? I'm just great. It seems
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like forever right, I mean, how do you feel? We
are fully on tour now we're at top three of
the tour with now Steve Lucathar. We are, Yeah, It's
just the train keeps a rolling, so Steve. My god,
I mean, what an amazing career and very very long career.
I meant, plus years in the industry. You guys started
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when you were babies with Marie and Sharie Curry. Just
too crazy. Steve was the boyfriend, as he talks about,
and you came into play guitar, so all of a sudden,
now there's three guitar players. I mean, any any crazy
stories from those days, You guys didn't really get into that.
I was just back from a long stay in Switzerland,
where I had been living sort of for for six months,
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and that I had been getting over an injury to
my arm and now finally had mobility, and I was
ready to play and didn't know exactly what I was
going to do next. I got a call from my
friend Joey Brasler saying, Hey, would you join me, uh
and Steve Lucath with the Curry sisters Marie and Sharie Curry.
And you knew of Steve at that point, of course, Yeah,
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And I I loved my buddy Joey, and I think
I had met Steve Lukath there before, But in any case,
I took a second to think it over and then
said yes. I'd love to do that. And uh so
we put this band together, Steve Luk at there being
the boyfriend of Marie Curry at the time. I don't
think they were married yet, and it was going to
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be like a wall of guitars, three guitar players up front,
shredding away, you know, with our crazy hair flying, you know,
back when all the drugs were working, you know, and
you know, back in the day, it was such a Yeah,
it was such a fun time. It wasn't a big
venue tour. It was like clubs, but they were hot
off a new album, and uh, it was just terrific, fun,
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just wild. I would love to have been a fly
on the wall with you and Steve Luca Thur in
your heyday on that tour. There's a picture somewhere of
at least Joey and I upfront shredding away, and I'll
see if we can get that. I've asked Joey for it,
get it out there on social media. Oh my god. Maybe.
Thank god social media wasn't around during those days. Probably
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for the best it wasn't around. I mean, you really
don't want to know. Well, so, moving on from Marie
and Tree, Curry a huge band Toto, I mean so
many amazing hits. I love Toto, Africa, Rosanna, I mean
some of these mega hits. Steve being a founding member
the Procaro Brothers, you know back in high school. I mean,
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they just did amazing sessions, all these huge hits. What
were your thoughts on this band at that time? Well, so,
as a musician, we were very all aware of the
Procaro Brothers, you know, and Luca and David Page and
these guys who were huge, as you said, uh, session masters,
getting all the calls for Quincy Jones and for everybody,
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and you know, the word got out that they were
doing sort of a super band out of this group
of great accomplished session guys, and there wasn't a bad
singer or writer among them. Were just terrific. And it's
so funny. I remember being I was on a getaway,
as I often do, get away as often as possible,
get away. I was out in desert Hot Springs at
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this little place called Two Bunch Palms that I've been
going to since forever. And uh, I was in the
mineral springshet with a natural mineral springs at hundred four
degrees and you're like, ah, a nice autumn day, and uh,
this woman comes into the mineral bathroom. We start a
little conversation and uh she you know, we're just chatting away.
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She goes, my boyfriend just wrote a song for me.
I just came from the studio and I have a
rough mix of it. And I go, that's that's great, amazing.
I think that I'm about to hear it. Anyway, She
runs off to get her walkman because that's what we
were listening to back then, and her little you know, headphones,
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and brought him into the uh, into the side of
the mineral pool, and she gives me the headphones. I
put it on and here comes this song Rosanna what Yeah,
it was Rosanna Arquette And she is playing me this
new song by Toto and I'm listening to it. I'm going,
oh my god, this is amazing. This is like, this
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is like a spectacular movie for your ears and I
and I remember thinking, I don't think it's a single,
but but it's terrific. So maybe your instincts were a
little off on that one. Yeah, maybe just a little bit.
What do I know? So who was her boyfriend Steve Picaro? Oh, okay, Okay, alright, wow,
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what a small world. So did you when you listen
to it, did you know this to Pricaro, this is Toto?
Or howd you together? Alright, alright, how cool? What a
crazy story. So one of the funniest stories I think
that Steve tells in this interview is the naming of
the band Toto. I again, I'm not going to do
it justice. You just gotta go listen to. His version
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of the story is hysterical, but it definitely raises the
point that naming bands is hard. Naming bands, naming companies,
naming anything is challenging. It's something you're stuck with forever.
You have to love it. I mean it's it's really
hard to figure out. Does no one else have it?
Does it sound like this? You know, your band the Bayonets.
Do you guys have any great stories about how did
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you come up with it? Yeah? Well, you know, I
mean it's so true. It's it's one of those things
that you look forward to and you sort of cringe
at having to do naming your band because you wanted
to sort of, you know, portray the feeling, characterize what
it is that you're doing some kind of way. Um,
and the problem is that that it always devolves into
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ridiculous hilarity. And in the case of the Bayonets, my
band with my buddy Oliver liber Uh currently on hiatus uh.
Our naming went on for months and months of late
night text sending back and forth the dumbest, funniest, dirtiest
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things you've ever heard. It's just back and forth and
back and forth, laughing our asses off for the longest
time until I said, look at man, this is really funny,
but we gotta find a name. That's what it always
comes to that we got Okay, we gotta do this now. Yeah.
And I heard a speech by our former president Barack Obama.
It wasn't a speech, actually was in the debates, and
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he was replying to Mitt Romney who he was interacting with,
and said something about Romney tried to get in a
crack about war, and I said, you don't need these,
you know, yeah, this or that, or you need more
of this than that. And Barack Obama says, well, we
don't really need bayonets and horsemen. You know. He was
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making the point that, you know, we're fighting a different
war now. And I just thought bayonets and Horsemen, great
band name, So we just shortened it down to the
Bayonets and there you go. That's amazing. And did you
when you texted as to him, was he like that's it?
Or was there some convincing I think yeah. I had
a lobby him from a lot. I hired some lobbyists,
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you know, boughtom up, you know, lunch, and lobbied him, well,
you want good job. At a certain point I just said,
you know, this is the name. Yeah, he just got
the name. Yeah, No, we're done. We're done with this.
So when you guys are on tour, you guys are human, right,
you're traveling, you're in close quarters. You know there's people
get run down. You're going from stop to stop, city
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to city, you're around a million people. Clearly you get sick.
This is what happens. And Steve talks about again historical
story of when he got food poisoning on stage, and
you've told the story before as well about when you
had food poison on stage and you got through it.
Steve unfortunately has to run off stage and it's completely
hysterical again something that you have to listen to, But
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that happens. You know, people, people get sick, you know,
and if you're not the frontman of a band and
they're not necessarily going to cancel the show for you,
or maybe sometimes they have to. You guys don't have understudies.
This isn't Broadway. How does that work? Yeah, I mean
it's a great question. It's a miracle that tours aren't
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canceled roten because somebody got very ill. And uh, it's
a miracle that so many shows in a tour go
off without a hitch in terms of the band, right
And in the case of our band with Paul McCartney,
it's it's been nearly twenty years, and in twenty years
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we only canceled one show and we came and made
it up later. And uh, because someone got sick. No,
Paul got a laryngitis, and uh, you know, he came
in and tried, we played the sound check, and he
just wasn't feeling like he could put his best show forward,
so he wisely pulled the plug, and you know, they understood,
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we came back and made it up. In the case
of me, I was I was playing with Edda James
and the only show I've ever missed was just one
that got written down incorrectly, and she calls me from
Santa Barbara, two hours north of l A, going, we're
on in a half hour and you're not here yet.
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So you just wrote down the wrong date. I turned
white as a ghost, whiter than I already was, and
it just felt terrible. And anyway, so were you sick
or you just got the date rong? We got the
dates wrong, We just got communication wrong. And uh yeah,
that was a tough one to bear. But like Steve did,
I got food poisoning on stage once, as I said
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in our episode, and man, I don't know how I
got through that, but they brought me up on a
bar stool and I just you know, played through that,
but I got very very ill. So, in terms of edit,
so did they play the show without you? Then they
just had to go on with There was one other
guitar player or no, I was usually the only guitar
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player in her band, and the musical director, so uh,
you know, there were just there was a sax player
who played Oregon and uh and sas and sang a lot,
and a second keyboard player, so they probably just did
a whole lot of keyboard and sax solos all night.
Oh my gosh. Wow, that's nuts. That's I mean awesome
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for her to be able to kind of keep going
through all of that. But I guess the show must
go on. Yeah, the show must go on, and edit
James is not you know, uh doesn't have a lack
of ability to carry a show, you know, right, of course,
of course, so in talking about people that carry shows,
the Beatles, there's something about the Beatles that I am
completely fascinated by, and that is that they are still
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today legends, and they are and some of them living legends.
Of course, everybody in the world knows the name the Beatles,
and they were only together for eight years, and Steve
talks about this, you know, the canon of music that
was left by the Beatles and the legacy that was
left by the beat Beatles and only being around for
for eight years. Yeah, I mean they did start out
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earlier than that. That's uh eight years with the name
of the Beatles. But before that they were uh, you know,
the Silver Beatles, and they had a few iterations were interesting.
But that final lineup with that name, recording as that
band with that name was eight years and it's remarkable,
You're right, I mean, they're not just legends. They're the
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biggest act ever. There will never be another band that
has a kind of socio culture impact that they had.
It's just it's not going to happen again. Uh, And
it is remarkable that in that brief period of time
they left such a mark for generations to come. You know,
you see look out in the audience and you'll see
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an older gentleman with you know, his grandchild on his shoulders,
singing every word and she's like four. And then you
go like, oh my god, their future is safe because
these kids I want to know the songs right. That's
and I've been to a few of the shows and
that it is remarkable. You do see people of all
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ages who absolutely love the music. It's a huge compliment
to the Beatles Now sessions. So this is something I
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wasn't as familiar with until we had this conversation with Steve.
And he has been on some mega hits, A thriller,
beat It, Lionel Richie, I mean, you you name it, Steve, Luca,
there has probably been a part of it. I mean
one question on that is that just explained to me.
And maybe this is naive, but you have guitar players
playing in the sessions that are not necessarily part of
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the touring band, So they're not playing the show's live, right,
So they're they're playing in the studio album, but they're
not playing the show live. So how does that work? Well,
I mean it's it's sort of two different career paths.
You know, you're a studio musician because of the skill
set that you've honed, or you've concentrated more on touring
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and playing live with a certain identified with a certain artists,
like I was with Edna James and often those meat
and as the case was with Edda James, I started
recording with her a year after I got with her
and did my first album with her and and um
Fort Lee, New Jersey, you know, at Chess Records, and
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there was the band already built in and I was
the only white guy, and you know, so you kind
of learn quickly how to adapt in And then two
years after that, I was recording a new album with
Edna James, with the great Jerry Wexler producing there in
Los Angeles with some of the biggest names in and
recorded music alongside of us. Jerry Wexler, of course, with
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a wreath of Franklin fame. Uh, you know he produced
respect right right? Oh my gosh, huge. Are there any
sessions that you've been involved in that you that we
wouldn't know? Kind of like Steve Tons really, but if
you'll all go to I think it's called all music
dot Com. They've done a really good job of uh
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categorizing and noting everyone's accomplishment anywhere. If you're anybody, it's
in there. Really. What is all music dot com? Yes,
you just look up the person. You can see all
the songs that go to all music dot com and
search your pal whoever that is. Oh my gosh, that's
super cool. Okay, I'm doing that before our next after show.
We're gonna have more to talk about on that. Okay.
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So you, you and Steve also have kind of an
interesting connection in the fact that Steve snubs the King
of Pop, Michael Jackson in a super awkward way and
it is so funny. And you had a very similar
experience with Paul. You had your audition show with the
super Bowl and then he kind of welcomed you to
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the team. After that show, you went home to cram
all the music and get ready for tour and and
all of a sudden, you get a phone call from
Paul McCartney and you do not believe it's him. Clearly
you were not expecting the phone call. So tell us
give us a little insight into what you were thinking. Yeah, well,
I mean, honestly, no one's expecting a phone call from
Paul McCartney, you know, just as Stephen wasn't expecting a
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call from Michael Jackson. But yeah, the phone rings. I'm
at home and there's a voice that comes on, Hi, Brian,
I go, hello, this is High's Paul. I went Paul
who and he goes, you know, pulled the bass player,
and I go, oh, yes, Paul McCartney, and I go,
no way, And he just laughed so hard. He handed
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the phone to John, his assistant, and they just laughed
for for about five minutes. So what was he calling for?
Just to say he was loving watching some video we
had just recorded. It was very early days. Oh that's
so cute. He called you personally to tell you that
I love that. So your audition with him was the
Super Bowl. I just I honestly don't know if there
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is a bigger audition known to man. I mean, you
have people in the audience that are there live, and
then you've got a hundred million people watching on TV
and you are next to this living legend, Paul McCartney
singing Beatles songs. This is the first show that you've
ever done with him. Did you meet him before you
went on stage? Okay? You you guys had rehearsed and
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everything correct. Okay, yes, okay, So but how that to
step on stage with her? How much pressures on you?
And what are you thinking before you What song did
you play? First of all, it's a song called Freedom
and it was a song from his album called Driving Rain.
And uh yeah, I mean no pressure at all. Right,
Just a hundred million people worldwide at least and seventy
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thousand in the stadium, and it's my audition. It's going
to be my first time, you know, being seen with
Paul McCartney. And now I had told a group of
my friends that I was about to do this, but
there's nothing that can take away the sort of sheer,
you know, impact that this is about to happen, you know,
And so we did it and it kind of went
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like a dream, you know. It's like four minutes or whatever,
and don't you remember any of it. Sure I do.
And then I remember we were all sort of whisked
off to go up to a sky box to watch
the rest of the game, well, to watch the whole game.
This was pre show two thousand two, before the national
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anthem one song, and we later came back to do
the halftime show. That's that's a separate thing. This was
two thousand two, earliest of days, My very first thing.
We come back up, go up to our sky box
and we're watching the game, and Paul's sitting up there
and and the rest of us are scattered in those
little seats that they have in front of a sky box,
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and we're watching the game, and I'm going, like that
just happened. Oh my god, that's so cool. Then you
walk up and you start socializing, and here comes when
Owner Judd and Paul chatting with her, and then I
popped by and he called me. Brian Camaron introduces me
to one own and her great red hair flaring, and
he said, uh, he said, well, no, no, this is
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this is Brian. This is his little audition. And I said, yeah,
this is my little audition, just my little intimate audition
before you go on stage of the Super bowl. What
is going through your mind? I mean your mind is
racing obviously, you know your mind, your heart and everything.
Did you have any anything you did for good luck
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before you went on stage? Or was it everything was
moving too fast? I cried no, not at all. You know,
often I will actually go pray. So you know that's
something that has guided me and helped me through Sometimes
it's just, you know, a way to reset and connect
with something other than your own imagination. You know what
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I mean? Do you do that? Is that kind of
your pre show tradition? Do you do that before every show?
Off and on? Not all the time? So you and
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you and Steve also really get into sobriety. Really. Steve
talks very candidly about how sorit, alcoholism, rug use almost
ruined his career in the service. Sobriety really, he credits
was saving his career, that he was squandering his career.
He was people were calling him out. He was super
puffy when he looked in the mirror. He couldn't look
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at himself. He was day drinking. He's very open about
this in the interview, and you asked him, was there
a breaking point? Was there that point where he just said,
all right, enough is enough. You obviously have a sobriety
story as well that you've spoken openly about. Was there
a breaking point for you? Yeah, you know, it's it's
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similar to Steve in that I was having a great
career and I had not blown my career, and but
I knew that things were not going as well as
they should and and I was sort of was having
a really bad day. I had blown up my car,
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I had pissed someone off. You know, I'd really done that,
you know, like the trifecta, blow up your car, piss
off of and you know, someone cancels on you. And
I was just feeling really sorry for myself and called
a friend of mine, uh named Katie, who was a
very big actress, an old friend of mine that I
went to junior high with, and uh, I was, you know,
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telling my story of woe, you know, woe is me.
And she goes after a little while, she goes, Okay,
well I gotta go. I'm going to a meeting. And
it's like six thirty at night. I kind of meeting,
are going to it this end? She said, well, I'm
going to a twelve step meeting. And I said, whoa Wow,
I didn't know that you needed that. She goes, well,
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I don't know that I do either. I thirty days sober,
and I like how it feels, and I went, well,
I'll come along with you and support you with this
new thing. You know. Come to find out she was
tricking me into going because she could tell I could
use it. And I went and that was that was
the end of it for me. Crazy thing. I didn't
finish the joint when I got home, never finished join
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mid joint. I'm left mid joint. Wow, you came home
and you threw it away and you never looked back.
It actually stayed in my drawer for a little while,
just as a little, you know, safety accomplist, just in
case things cut wild. Wow, I stuck it out, man.
And so how many years I just celebrated thirty four years? Congrats,
it's amazing. That's a huge accomplishment. Well, you know, I
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wouldn't be doing things that I'm doing at the level
I'm doing if I would have continued the way I
was going. Right, the handwriting was on the wall, Yes,
that was not just handwriting. There's a lot of things
on the wall. That's for another aftershow. All right, so
we're going to wrap it up with the audience questions
and are lightning round. So we had a lot of
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great audience questions again and please also keep them coming,
so we are going to keep ticking them off during
every after show. One that I thought was really interesting
is when you guys are out, you tour with a
Beatle with a form of Beatle, Paul McCartney, And one
of the questions was why do you never play the
Beatles guitars on tour? Well, I play guitars that work
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for the song to my ears. Also, we are famously
not a karaoke band. So there's a lot of bands
out there doing tribute that do it very well, lots
of them all over the world. We've seen one in Japan.
Japanese guys they did Paul McCartney tribute, the Beatles Tribute,
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Beatles tribute, okay, and so, and they'll play all the
guitars for the various eras of the Beatles, and there
were many of the guitars and basses and drums they
used back then, and it just isn't really our choice. Also,
you know, um, that's not the point. It's more the
point to sort of um, approximate the tone and bring
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it to life. You know, it's not a museum. It's
these are living you know, breathing arrangement by living men
on stage playing the songs in real time. And so
you guys are ad living on stage a lot of
the time. Or is it you're obviously very well rehearsed,
But do you kind of do different things during different
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shows or how does that go? Well? Sure, to an extent,
we're humans, you know, and Paul is very in the
moment um. At the same time, the songs are sort
of sacrosanct, you know. There there is a great deal
of reverence and respect for these songs and every hook
embedded inside well us Beatle fans, we would hang on
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to every single note and everything. People in the audience
are hanging onto that and they want to hear their
memories delivered in the way that resonates with them. So
we we appreciate that we're reverend, but we're also humans.
So Paul, might you know, play a little different guitar
lick and that might make me play different you know,
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basslick and it's on like that, and uh, but you know,
the background vocals and many of the solos are sort
of note for note, as you really want to serve
up what people are used to. Absolutely and that that
makes total sense. And one person asked about rituals and
traditions pre show, which we really kind of already talked
about unless you have anything else, Oh yeah, so well,
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you know, Paul will often come to the dressing room
and we'll just hang out and do a little bit
of singing and stuff like that. But uh, you know,
if you've ever seen any DVD of US live, you'll
see some of that included, right right, Yeah, And I
pretty much stay away from talking about all the details,
but yeah, it's yeah, there's a lot of information out
there on that stuff. Okay, So last audience question for
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today is your early inspirations. You have talked about the
Beatles and Elvis, but I know you've also talked about,
you know, blues and how you like that's really where
rock and roll began. So any other early inspirations you know,
your favorite blues artists or anyone else besides the Beatles
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or Elvis that really kind of inspired you. Well, it's
interesting I discovered rhythm and blues and blues music and
doo wop music from a pirate radio station blasting out
of Tijuana, Mexico, with this wild DJ who had this
great personality, and he had this wolf Call going on
in the background, all echoe, you know, and I'm oh,
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my god, who is this freaky guy? You know? And
really intriguing, really compelling. It was wolf Man. Jack went
on to be a huge star um and he liked
that music. He didn't play a whole lot of the
sort of more white pop. He didn't play a lot
of this sort of manicured produced, uh you know pop
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of the era. He tended more towards rhythm and blues
and R and B doo wop, and I just he
was serving up something on that radio station that really
caught fire for me, and it would sort of light
my soul to go back and look at the music
that it had informed people like the Beatles, the Stones,
(28:10):
you know, and that was you know, my favorites like
Albert King and bb King and Otis Rush and Bobby
Bland and all all these great musicians, Howland Wolf, all
of these guys that really built the foundation that rock
and roll was built upon. You know. Obviously Chuck Berry
(28:31):
right right of where, Yeah, I hear you talk about
shot quite a bit, very nice. Well, so the lightning
round you. Okay again, do we remember one is music
and one is not music? Okay, it's very serious. There's
no thinking and one or number one music question. You
(28:52):
are not just a guitar player, you right, And you
sing as well, and you your music gets played often
on the underground garage, even Van Zant's serious radio station.
So my question to you is, of all of your
original music that you have created, which currently is your favorite. Well,
it's funny you should ask that question right after me
(29:15):
telling the story about Wolfman Jack, because I have a
song called Pirate Radio, which is I guess about a
year old now, that is on Wicked Cool Records, that
a little Steven played a lot on the radio station,
and then a more recent one called got a New Thing.
So those would be my two favorites, if I'm allowed
to Those are the two. Not really, that's kind of cheating,
(29:37):
but it's already out there, so I can't put it
back in the tube. We're gonna let this slide this week,
but next week, no, that's not gonna happen. Okay, alright,
So next question has nothing to do with music. Professionally.
If you were not a musician, what would you be
m It's a great question. Well, I love architecture and
(29:57):
that kind of thing, so I would probably be an architect,
except that would require a ton of schooling and I
don't want to go back to school, so I'm just
going to stay into music. Are you. Are you sketching
around the house at all, like practicing just as a hobby. No,
I just take it in, you know. You know, we're
out here in the desert right now and Palm Springs
(30:18):
and there's so much great sort of cutting edge mid
century architecture that's original, that's you know, very much um
appreciated here and conserved. Yeah, there's a great conservation move
out here and I just love that stuff. Yeah, awesome,
I love it all right. Well, that wraps up Week
(30:38):
three of the tour. We will see you next week.
Sounds good, I'll be here. Thank you everyone for listening
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on tour and after show our productions of I Heart
Radio and Black Barrel Media. This show was produced by
me Mandy Wimmer with executive producer Noel Brown. For more
information about on tour, visit our website black Barrel Media
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