Rumer Willis

Hollywood royalty, Rumer Willis is on the pod to talk about her mom and dad's best movies and guilty pleasures, as well as how a drunk costar took method acting to a whole new level while making her one bad movie.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's make sure you're into that mic, because when you're not,
it'll throw it onto my mic.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh my goodness, I'm listening. Go ahead, please thank you?
Is that better? Honey?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
It's so much better? And everyone at home or appreciate it.
All right, Welcome back to one dad movie this week
we have. Can we call her movie star Royalty?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I think so. I think it's you know, yeah, in
in a nepo obvious kind of way.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I would, I would say so, this interview.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Would be very nepo obvious.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Drummer roll please the awesome actress and singer Rumor Willis.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, yes, Well again, I'm going to start. I'm jumping
right in on this one. Go ahead, because like Jeamie
in our last kind of conversation, and like a few
of these interviews, just there's people who you you you're
just totally unprepared for it, like you don't know them,
you don't know their work. Yep uh. And then again

(00:58):
in the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, you know, Rumor
Willis is somebody who may have worked with one of
my kids and I don't even know it, you know,
I mean somewhere, you know, on a fashion thing. I
don't know. It was just funny that I had already
had a previous thirty five year ago kind of a
couple of encounters with Bruce, and when we started speaking

(01:23):
with Rumor, I just kind of got tried to get
permission about whether or not, you know, like how much
of you know, did she want to talk about with
you know, her parents and this and that. For me,
it's very interesting and relatable because me and my kids,
you know, my kids don't want to talk about their
parents too much, and you know whatever, So when somebody
walks up and goes, oh, you're dead, so great, you know,

(01:44):
like they have to deal with it. In the case
of our interview with Rumor, she's just so strong, I
mean to be her age and be so strong and confident,
meaning pretty dang secure in the points she made and
how she feels about her life, which was cool one
hundred percent. And then I think just her sensibility art

(02:04):
what about you?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Just I had an appreciation of you the father a
famous father, she the daughter of a famous father and mother,
and just kind of this strong connection he had. But
it also Donomie as well, like you did have some
relatability to her because when you were younger, Alec popped off,
So you had this older brother who was just tool.
So there is a connection that you could relate to

(02:26):
her there too. I don't know, I just it was
a fascinating It was just fascinating to be a fly
on the wall of this conversation. And she was so
cool to freely talk about both of her parents and
and and drop what she thinks are both of her
parents one bad movie that.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Was yeah, yeah, and then but definitely, like you say,
because I know to me from when my brothers were working,
you know, I think somewhere.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Alec, Billy, and Daniel, I think all worked on some
form of a project with either Bruce or to me, yeah,
my three older brothers. Yeah, I never hung worked with
any of them. I was, you know, Steven the last
one they were over it. You know who's in the movie, Steven.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I already worked with that, like Danny and Billy, Yeah,
or Baldwin Burn that interested pass before we get into it.

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(03:34):
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here is Rumor Willis's.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
In a done with great those bad lips.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
It's so bad, it's good. It's sam guilty lasses unders, it's.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So bad, it's good. One bad So I was the
one that kind of My dad was just too exhausted
by the time I was coming up, you know, and
as long as they don't kill him, we'll be all right.
So one time my parents laid down this countlet if
anybody says the F word or flips the bird, you're punished,

(04:45):
because there was just way too much, you know, just
mad cussin and crazy behavior. So the day after my
brother Billy like gives me a hard time and I
flip him the bird and I run because he's chasing me,
and I run behind my mother and my brother says,
right to my mom, he just flipped the bird, and

(05:08):
he's he's punished. You made the rule yesterday. He just
gave me the finger, and my mother goes, well, what
else is he supposed to do to defend himself, the
poor little thing.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh man, that's rough.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's the power of being the baby.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
I know, I'm the oldest.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Are you so you're yeah, you're you're just politically not
feeling that right.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
I remember literally, I remember literally being in the other room,
totally the other room, and my sister starts crying and
someone yells, rumor, what did you do?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
And I was like, so Daniel did that to me? Upstairs,
second floor. I'm screaming. Dad never came up the stairs. Dad,
come up the stairs. He come to the bottom of stairs.
Daniel Rupert, get down. That was the dog Rupert. Sorry,
Dad Rupert jumped on Stephen damn dog. Yeah. Not good,

(06:08):
just not good. Yeah, but older siblings always get blamed
for more everything. Yeah, you get along with my sister Elizabeth.
Just fine. Welcome to one bad movie. Thank you. How's
it going so far?

Speaker 5 (06:25):
I'm great, I'm very nostalgic.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
So so this is interesting because now I'm curious. I
have a couple of questions. So one four or against AI,
which I am radically against, just because it's like, even
Downey Junior just said something where he's gonna fight now,
like to keep the studios from taking his Robert Downey

(06:52):
Junior ness and AI ing it. He's literally that's a
statement he had recently. But I'm curious. You could use AI,
you rumor, and you could be any actor in a film.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
See, I would never use it in that.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I don't mean like that in fantasy.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
In fantasy, Oh okay, what actor.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Would you be playing? What role? In what movie? Oh?

Speaker 5 (07:15):
You god, man, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
If you're talking, we have lots of room to edit.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
I would definitely be a guy I think, right, well, amazing, Yeah,
I just feel like man ooh, but think about.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
It, because I can't even answer my own question.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Well, it's funny because in my mind I'm thinking what
movies I like. But the truth is the experience of
actually filming it would probably be not as fun. Right
if you think about say a Marvel movie or these
movies now that have a lot of CGI it's not
the most fun to film.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
But if you threw AI could be the fly on
the mind, on the wall of the mind of some
so like I'll give an example, So it would be
for me as an artist, i'd want to be I
would have loved you, you know through technology, be in
the mind of Mickey Rourke during Barfly.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Oh yeah, that would like for me.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Like a performance that's so through. I would have been
in the mind of uh Eric Roberts in popa Greenwich village.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
So far as maybe maybe like Jack Nicholson in Witches
of Eastwick. You know, that seems like a delightful rolea totive.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm in love with you. I'm so sorry. That's freaking cool,
you know. I mean she could see anyone she goes
with Jack, come.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
On, that just I feel like he's someone when you
watch that, he is enjoying every second of what he's doing.
And maybe maybe he's just that good of an actor.
But I feel like some actors take being in the film.
It's very serious and it's very intense, which I totally respect.
But I or maybe you know, seth rogen someone someone

(09:11):
who's on set having the time of their lives.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know, don't work with me. I tried to just
set up scenario so I can have fun and hopefully
if I can pay for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
I'm cool, fair enough? Wow, Jack, right, but you gotta
give me a woman. Okay, I mean so because I

(09:35):
got to know now, is it Angelica Houston?

Speaker 5 (09:38):
I mean, honestly, you mentioned Jack. I mean, I love Jack.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I wouldn't have picked Jack.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
I would say literally anyone in the cast of Royal
Tenant Bombs. I would have played anyone in that cast,
but specifically in that movie because it's in my top
in my top three, So definitely that A man what's
his name? Oh my god? This is my mom brain

(10:06):
at work? Bill Murray, another man who I feel like
absolutely enjoys himself on set. I love that you brought
up Angelica Houston though, because I think she is She's
just incredible.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
No, she's fire.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
But who else? I mean?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Meryl Streep?

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Yeah, oh my god? Actually, you know what I would say,
Meryl Streep or Goldie Han in death becomes her either
one or my dad's rule.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Serious, I don't even care. What'd you say?

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Well, my dad's rolling. Actually, you know what? Sorry, Okay,
top Zone Isabella Rossalini and death becomes her or Isabella
Rosselini in literally anything.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, who you're crushing me? Who did you say a
second ago? Isabella?

Speaker 5 (10:51):
My dad? My dad's in death? Oh, Meryl Streep, Goldie Han.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Okay, stop. So you're picking Jack and Goldie and but
you're too young to to to pick those people my people.
But it's a credit. It's a sign of your a
cinematic prowess, your knowledge, not just not just because of lineage.

(11:19):
I'm sure you would have probably liked and loved a
lot more shittier movies if you weren't who you were, right,
But that's the point. So I'm going to reverse engineer.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
This great Bill Murray love Bill.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Murray, pretty good actor. What's that one he did with
Coppola's Daughterslation, Yeah, that's that's great, celebrated picture.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Bill Murray's greatest performance is Stripes. See that it's you.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
No, I agree with you there, But I also think
he did a movie recently.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm joking. Stripes is a very silly comedy, but it's brilliant.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
But it's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
But he's so brilliant.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Go ahead, He's people. There aren't movies like that anymore.
People don't make movies like that anymore. There's a certain
genre of film that I'm so sad doesn't exist anymore.
It's magical realism rom com and it just does not
exist at.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
The most magical realism I could spell, but I don't
know what it means.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
So there was this era of romantic comedies that were
just filled with kind of silliness and weirdness. And one
that always sticks out in my mind because it would
never ever be made today, is called Simply Irresistible. It's
Sean Patrick Flannery from Love Him and Powder, incredible film,

(13:00):
one of my favorites, and Sarah Michelle Geller, who we
love classic nineties icon Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
No comment, she's too cute.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
So it's a movie about she's a chef and she
owns this restaurant and her mother has passed and the
restaurant's going out of business and she's trying to find
a way to save it. And there's a magical crab
that she finds at a market, at a farmer's market,
and this crab decides to just follow her home in
her basket simply irresistible. It's incredible, I remember it, but

(13:38):
go ahead, And so the crab follows her home, and
all of a sudden, all of her emotions start being
baked into her food, and all of a sudden, she
goes from being a mediocre chef to this phenomenal chef.
So if she's feeling turned on, she makes this dessert
and anyone who eats it is suddenly kind of overwhelmed.
Or if she made this kind of stew and she

(13:59):
started crying to all the people at the restaurants suddenly cry,
and it's incredible because it would never be made today.
People just take themselves too seriously. It all has to
be these super intense We're either going to make you cry,
We're going to make you so uncomfortable with Gore, or
it's going to be docu drama murder Menendez Brothers kind

(14:22):
of era. And I would just like a little bit
of lightness and humor and folly.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, so this is super crazy serendipity. Yeah, because you
said the words just now. They don't make movies like
they used to it. And in several of the interviews
on one Bad Movie, that's like this reoccurring theme and
there seems to be this weird renaissance totally of artists
now right now, and I'm calling it the Jerry Maguire effect. Yes,

(14:51):
it's the Jerry Maguire And what's fascinating is I went
to the premiere of Brats So good, right, and in
Brats one kind of philosophical, cinematic observation that was the
one powerful thing I took away from what Andrew was
trying to do with all that. And your mom was gnarly,

(15:13):
somebody said thematically. John Hughes and people back then in
that era, they wrote storylines with narratives that trusted the
morality of young people.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, so sixteen candles here was these high school students,
but what they were talking about was issues that were
universal across any age group, which was wild. Like it
was just John Hughes went, well, no, I'm going to
talk about these adult themes, but in these you know,
young with these through these young people or in these elements, and.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
They're taking and they're taking it them seriously. I think
it's so funny that you brought that up. I just
watched it the other night, and what I love is
that they're not minimizing teenage problems. I think that was
another thing that he was bringing up that they're really
highlighting that when you're seventeen, when you're sixteen, that guy
asking you to prom or that girl at school you're

(16:13):
into that is everything.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
The cameras are rolling. Yeah, no pressure, no pressure. But
I'm inviting you now to join me in the future
to make those kinds of movies. Yeah, I don't want
to do a deal with you. The cameras are rolling.
I need no commitment right now, but I'm I'm just
letting you know that serendipitously, you're looking for more Jerry

(16:38):
maguire in the future. Absolutely, I'm looking for more Jerry McGuire,
help me, help you.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
The algorithm for what makes a successful movie is not
talent anymore. It's what people are looking for is distribution
and the and profit, Yes, and profit, and so the
priorities of art are misaligned. And that's why I think
a lot of artists are pushing back against AI because

(17:12):
I'm in the middle ground. I was very not into
it at the beginning, but I do think that there's
a world where it can work for you. But I
don't ever think it should replace if an AI could
do data entry for me on the website that I'm building,

(17:32):
or write tiny blurbs using my voice.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
It should be harnessed.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Then great, But I don't ever want someone to take
the place of me acting in a film.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, for example, I just sent the guys to hear
that I work with an app that popped up on Instagram,
and in the app, I could take a video strip
that I shot three minutes and this thing automatically pull
short clips, funny moments. So is there something that helps
you get there sooner? Because it's compromising the work you've
chosen within your world, you should have that choice, but

(18:08):
not compromise the work of every editor in the Union
of Editors.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Well, especially with editing. Though for me, because I like
to edit my own stuff too, I'm too much of
a control freak, I think to ever really give that
entirely up, especially give it up to a computer.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
But my point is what needs to be monitored now
and understood and agreed upon for the future is if
I'm a studio head and I could push that button
on that app and it does the first two months
of the editing that those humans would have done, and
then they come back in to do the final cut.

(18:46):
But I've saved X. That's you know, the replacing of
the humanity is the creepy part.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Yeah, but the studio heads are never just going to
do the first two months say it, Rumors say they
never are.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, you're right because because it's the almighty dollar, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
You know That's why there's movies and things that I'm
up for now that I'm contending with right where everyone
on the project might like me, but it's about am I.
It's the same thing as say influencers online. Right, you
can sell a product. I'm essentially selling my acting talent,
but does that convert to dollars? And if I if

(19:24):
my either talent or what I'm trying to sell online
of a product doesn't convert, then I'm not valuable.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Listen. I've been out of Hollywood for a long time,
like almost twenty years, and I kind of done my
own thing for a while. But an agent said to
me a long time ago, right after I did a
movie called The Usual Suspects. Love that movie, a very
famous producer flew me from New York to LA and
sat me down, very powerful guy, yeah, action producer, and

(19:55):
he say, hey, man, you know you were great, and
you know, what do you want to do and how
do you see your self going forward? And I was like,
I could be Bruce Willis, I could, I could. I
I got it all daddy, you know. And I finished
the meeting and my agent called me and he said,
you know, come to the office. He goes, how did
the meeting go?

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I said, great? Total.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
He goes, oh, and this guy used to call me Baldy.
He's like his little agent, you know, Baldy, Baldy, let's
talk Baldy. He goes, in the future with a big producer,
I want you to try something in your next meeting.
I go, yeah, sure what. He goes, shut the up.

(20:39):
I go, I'm sorry. He goes, shut the he goes
That guy, as nice as he may seem, doesn't care
that you're sober. He doesn't care if you talk about
all these lovely human of the things in your It

(21:01):
was a harsh lesson from an agent who I fired,
by the way, But he was trying to explain to me, Yeah,
the more you talk less and just seem like a
bankable product is what he was. That was the less Yeah.
And I'm going I can't do that.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, I'm not that way.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I gotta be me. I got to you know, So
here we go. I'm kind of coming back now to
do some writing producing director in One Bad Movie is
one of my new producer things I tell people now,
I'm I'm a podcast I'm a podcaster, is my new
title that it's still cool. Well, I do. I do

(21:40):
two things. My two full time gigs now are I'm
a podcaster for One Bad Movie and I work full
time for Haley Baber's mother.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
I just it's inescapable well, and and for Jack now right.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, I'm not full time for Jack Blues, but we're
gonna get there, probably.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Because my mom, Mom. I feel like everyone in my
life is I don't get phone calls anymore. For me,
I'm I'm the manager. I'm the handler for the people
that are trying to have playdates with my daughter.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
So my first grandchild is my granddaughter Iris with my
daughter Aliyah. She's four. She's popeye, she's popy, she got
a forearm. Just walk for that forum banana apple juice
juice box. I know it's she Apparently she has you know,

(22:36):
signs of being a chip off the old block performance. Well, yeah,
which is freaking my son and lay andrew out in
the nicest way. But it's just amazing. I mean, I
was up this morning getting ready and I stay in
the guest room of Eliah's house next door to my grandfather.
She wakes up in the morning and she says, Grampy, Yeah,

(22:58):
everything's of course, Thank god, I have the team here
to get me on time. Thank goodness. But no, that's
the best. What is your daughter's name. I'm so happy
for you. It's gonna be something so cool. But it's
going to where I was going with that was it's
going to drive you knots because now listen and forget

(23:18):
your mom. Forget you. I'm saying, whatever happens in the
mystery of your child reflecting your mother in the future,
I have no idea, but you have a bit to
be ready for that kid at times in the future
to just say stuff and you go, that was my dad,
like you were gonna.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Oh, she literally looks just like my dad sometimes. What
I think we were talking earlier. My One of my
favorite things about my dad is his total commitment to
his delusional self confidence from a very young stage. I mean,
I have people coming and telling me stories from when

(23:56):
he was a bartender in New York. The amount of people,
if I could tell you who come up with I
knew your dad, New York, Cafe Central, blah blah blah. Right,
So this was just there, even before the movies or
TV shows, Moonlighting, all of that. And he has this
smirk half smile that I feel like I sometimes pick up,

(24:17):
but Lou is dead on. It's crazy, especially when she's
in the bath and we slick her hair back.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Oh yeah, that's so amazing. And I just love that
there's already a sign, totally a sign. Was your dad
in the movie Signs? I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
He was in the other he was in the other
m Night Shyamalan.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
But that's smirk is foretelling. Yeah, it's foretelling. My darling.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Oh, this kid, I if she's anything less than some
sort of artists and I will be wildly surprised.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And the whole family loves her. Obsessed she does she
hold court?

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Oh yeah absolutely, I get. I get more calls from
my family now that I have HERD than I think
I ever did before, and people will request just to
have play dates with her. Adults, Yeah, full on, Like
I'd like to schedule some time with her. I'm like, Okay,
it's the best.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
So I don't know, I don't know what to talk
to you about. Now, I'm having so much fun. What's
your one bad movie?

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Oh? Man, I feel like there's a few, but I
have a good story that I.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Think you will love.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
So I was doing this movie and it's it's it
was just me and one other person.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
And what's it called.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Oh, I don't know if I should tell you that.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Oh, don't, don't tell me, So just tell me the story.
I can tell you.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
That's because you'll know, you'll pop. You know, we'll let
the we'll let the listeners saluthe it out. So I
was originally cast. So there's two two girls in the movie, right.
One of them is kind of a more put together,
sane one and the other one is kind of kooky,
single white female ex girlfriend. I was originally cast as

(26:14):
the normal, sane one, but at the last minute, right
before we went to go shoot, the other girl who
had been cast dropped out. So this other girl was hired.
So we show up to shoot and this was this
is when I still drank because we were in Kentucky,
which obviously you know bourbon and that was my beverage

(26:38):
of choice, and was it really Yeah, whiskey neat.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think that's Goldie Horns.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
I went hard on the faint for a very short
window too.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I burned hard and fast.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, it was really short. It was like twenty seven.
I think I stopped and I think maybe started around
like twenty four. So got it done real quick. And
so we're on set and all of these different bourbon
companies have made me bottles because it was my birthday.
The second day of shooting, so I'm in this little
duplex staying with the other actor, and we have these

(27:11):
scenes that are ten twelve page scenes right in the car,
and so it's just kind of a wild shoot, a
bit chaotic, and you know, there's a couple of people
on set who are a little green in terms of
the crew. And I didn't really have time to figure

(27:32):
out my character because it switched and so all of
a sudden, I'm having to play the psychopath and I'm going, man,
I kind of stopped there.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, So you were cast to play the calmer role. Yeah,
but the director and the people asked for you to
switch to the opposite role.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
The opposite role.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
How long before principal photography. I'm a couple of weeks,
so you had to recreate the character totally, you know,
I just wanted to clarify, Yeah, you're in. You joined
the car before.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Right, So so I have all these unopened bottles in
my room. And so the other person, the other girl
I'm shooting with, is you know, she's telling me these
crazy stories about her life and drugs she's taken and
blah blah blah, and I'm just going, Wow, what the
heck is going on? And we go to shoot one

(28:24):
day and I and I think we're coming home one
night and she's I think she'd been drinking on set
and had kind of gotten in cahoots with the writer
who I guess was giving her alcohol. Basically. I come
to find out towards the last week of shooting that
she's been drinking every single day on set. And we're

(28:46):
in a car and we don't have a fancy rig
that this car is.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
On, so she's been driving the whole time. Yeah, so
it's either one driver, yeah, the two of us, the
calm one at least.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Yeah, the common one. And so then one night after set,
and of course it's my natural tendency, you know, as
an alcoholic, to try and fix everyone. So I'm then
staying at night in this duplex trying to talk to
her about her problems and be kind of a big
sister and help her fix her life. So one day
I come back from set and my room has been

(29:19):
broken into and there's all of like the whiskey that
had been in my room is like been opened and yeah,
and I'm going, what is going on? So she had
broken into my room and taken all this whiskey. And
it was the same night that we were on set

(29:40):
and there was some weird moment where these guys are
supposed to like a scene where these guys are supposed
to jump us, and I pull a gun and she
she has some line where she goes, oh my god,
I was so scared. I almost peed myself. So at
the end of the night, she looks at the director
and she goes, I really want to pee. I'm just like, what, well,
what's going on? So the entire crew stands there as

(30:04):
our last the martini of the night. It's her just
standing there because she wanted to really pee herself, and
so the entire crew is literally going, what is going
on and we're all just standing there silent, and the
director puts a camera on her and we're just shooting
and it's not a gag, so you obviously can't see anything.

(30:25):
So it's completely invaluable to the movie anyway. And the
wardrobe girl told me later that she just left her
wardrobe on the floor. And I've never left a situation
where I called my agents after and I said, listen,
I don't care how much I need money, don't ever
ever let me do something like this again. Because we

(30:46):
were doing stunts. We're doing stunts, and it's the first
time I have to say that I've ever I've ever
not shown up. I said, listen, I've never done this before.
But I will not work tomorrow unless she was a
breathalyzer before we do suns because she has to punch
my face and it was it was a nightmare. I

(31:07):
don't know how.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Honors the request of an actor, So stop Super Air movie.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
I want to tell you, but.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
That was a famous person.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
I mean, I don't know if I would say that,
but you know enough.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now. Do you think she and the writer were in cahoots?
Were they friendly or was it just a drug induced.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
I think she was being very manipulative and using the situation.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
So that's your one movie.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
I mean, I have plenty, but that was the.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Most drunken pp driver, Right.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I feel like for a long time I was and
I did this to myself a little bit because I
had this short, dark hair and I were all black
and all these tattoos and all these piercings, and I
feel that me and kind of this industry, I kind
of put myself in this box. So the only jobs
I was getting were either I was a psychopath, a

(32:13):
drug addict, a lesbian, or someone who had had some
sort of deep emotional sexual trauma from either a boyfriend
or as a child. And it was all, you know,
no one would ever look at me and go, you
would be a fantastic in a nineteen forties period film
and be a great lounge singer, even though in my
mind I go, I could do that in a heartbeat, right.

(32:36):
And so I feel like for the first time, I
just got to do a Western for the first time,
which was one of the coolest experiences of my life.
Separately of just feeling like I was deeply carrying along
the lineage of Willis being a badass riding a horse
and you know, gunslinging. I feel like I had the
opportunity to show a side of myself that I haven't

(33:01):
ever been able to and it's the part of me
that I feel like that kid sometimes that I'm just saying,
if you, if you give me the opportunity and allow
me the space to rise to the occasion. I know
I can do a great job. And I know that
I can. I know I'm good enough at this to
be successful, but I haven't found a space or an

(33:22):
opportunity to be able to show what I can do.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Okay. So, like I was saying, you and I are
going to make a movie together in the future. Okay,
I gotta just circle back.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
On that Jerry Maguire Parkers boomerang.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I got to throw the boomerang again. No, but here's like,
so I did a movie called Missus Parker and the
Vicious Circle with Jennifer Jason Leigh. I don't know if
you know that.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Yeah, she's great.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah. So it's Alan Rudolph. It's like this movie. I
auditioned four and they wrote a part for me in
it because there was no part. It was weird. It's
it's a long story and it was one of those
things where, wow, you know, I didn't play the role
I wanted. I played kind of almost myself, like a jock,
like at the badminton court that she seduces totally. But

(34:11):
I was in a great movie with an unbelievable cast,
and I just wanted to work with a one Rudolf.
But it's just so interesting that the industry, however, it cycles.
That You're sitting here kind of in a in a
posture of new beginnings totally, and I'm sitting here in

(34:32):
a posture of new beginnings, and we're both who we
are from the lineage we are. But isn't it interesting?
This is what we were talking about earlier, that isn't it
cool that if you want to express yourself as an
artist in film, there's still the ability to do that independently? Yeah,

(34:54):
and say what you want to.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Say A thousand percent. I mean, it's such a cycle, right,
I see it even in an interesting way. Say some
of the NEPO babies that are coming up. Now, look
at your daughter. She's wildly successful, is an incredibly smart
business woman and has created such an unbelievable, you know,

(35:19):
kind of like world and such success, right, and I feel,
and there's a couple other girls who are kind of
have come up, i would say, in the same kind
of peer group around her, and they're all wildly successful,
and there's a lot of positive generally, a lot of
positive energy that goes towards them. And I think there's

(35:42):
these interesting cycles right where we're all nepo babies to
a certain extent, right, we all have this one threat
in common, but there's sometimes been different eras of it
where people are either and it switches, right. I've seen
people online there's you know, mode Appetah where people were
very in against this or very pro or even with Haley,

(36:04):
very and against us sometimes and very pro. And there's
these weird cycles even though nothing has changed. It's not
like our parents have changed. It's not like, yeah, it's
not like we're necessarily doing anything differently than we were doing,
you know then a couple months ago or a couple
of years ago. But the perception changes, so people's ability

(36:29):
to digest what are whatever it is about who they
think we are, or what we're trying to do or
how we've grown up, whatever it is, shifts and it
changes either the reception being positive or not an adaption.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, it's like an adaption. So Haley cracks me up
because she's you know, she's kind of like a tiger Woods,
you know what I mean, She's just wild when she focuses.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
So I think, you know, I think there are people
like her that the level of drive I find actually
wildly enviable, because sometimes I feel like some I'm a
bit of a jack of all trades kind of but
master of none in certain ways that I get so

(37:16):
excited about doing everything that then the things I can't
do one because my energy is just so split and
I don't know, I just I have so much respect
for people who just.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Can do it, yeah, can get it done.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Yeah, and there's just a drive and a commitment and
also doing it with integrity.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Can we talk about your mom for secon.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
She's having a moment.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
You would have talked about somebody who gets it done.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, So that's but that's the same kind of algorithm.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
It's totally I mean, if I ever had to bury
a body, she would one hundred percent me the first
person I could call.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, love that. So your one bad movie is the
movie we can't name, but it's it's the pep prodigal
Daughter's give me another one? What's another one that was
just bad? Yeah? Like I told you, I got fired
from a movie that was one of my one But

(38:19):
another one of my one bad movies is a brilliant
sci fi picture I did for the money. See how
I said that for the free, I am to say
that it's called Sharks in Venice, and it's in Venice,
Italy and the canals of Italy are there so romantic
with the gondolas. What do you call those boats? Right

(38:42):
with the umbrella? And Jaws comes by and I was
expert brought in. You know, you're gonna need a big boat,
you know, like I was that guy but in a suit.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
But honestly, sometimes I feel like movies like that are
silliness because guilty pleasures. Yeah, because you can go, guess what,
I'm about to learn so much shit about sharks.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
You know, in the dumbest way.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Yeah. Right when I signed on to this Western, I
didn't know what was going to happen. I liked the script,
but again I had had a slew of kind of
rough films that I did not know where. I pray
that they do not come out and people are like, oh,
I'm going to watch this, and I say, please don't
do that, Please don't do that. You can watch this one,

(39:31):
this one, and this one from this era to this era,
please don't watch And I you know, I was. I
just wanted to learn how to ride a horse right
and be in a Western right because I'm I'm going
to be on a Tailor Shardan show. I'm manifesting that
into the universe me too. Yeah, that's what I'm trying
to you know, my mom has done it. So I

(39:51):
feel like I just want to Yellowstone or or one
of the period ones. I don't care any of them.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Likely we should hire listen to me, we should. What's
his name? Taylor Hackford?

Speaker 5 (40:01):
What's Taylor Sheridan?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Taylor Sheridan, and he watched this? What is said? Taylor Hackford?
You know who knows what Taylor Hackford is? Your parents? Anyway,
Taylor Sheridan. Yes, I'm a huge fan, amazing, But I
was on a show called Young Riders, which was about
the Pony Express. Yeah, like Josh Brolin and all kinds
of beautiful people. And Taylor Sheridan grew up getting his

(40:25):
brilliant Western ideas that he's so benefiting from now from
watching me as Buffalo Bill Cody on Young Riders. Baby, Okay,
I'm kidding, James, I'm kidding, but this in it's going viral.
But then I won't tell you another weird kind of

(40:46):
thing because they my guys told me I can't talk
about some things about Taylor Sheridan because he worked with
another actor on a show he did and now that
actor is no longer on that show, and me and
that actor had a conflict. I won't get into that.
All just made no sense. But Tyler Sharing needs to
bring me on to Yellowstone now because it would be

(41:09):
so dramatic that he brought me on after this other
actor left. I'm gonna leave it right there, kids, because
I'm a genius. So I'm gonna leave it and you
can kiss my ass in Macy's window. Okay, that happened.

(41:29):
So that's a weird conspiracy theory there. It's it's very fabulous.
It's Hollywood conspiracy theory.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
But I'm trying to make the conspiracy theories work for me.
So I'm I'm deep diving into the total woo woo,
where if I just continue to speak stuff into existence,
maybe if I could take some of my dad's delusional
self confidence and just kind of get that by osmosis,
then maybe.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I can already tell that from your emo thing. Something
in my their hood kind of brought you to where
you are now. That always happens. Yeah, it's incredible, But
now I think where it's going. Is that confidence thing
you're thinking about channeling will inevitably be rumor willis in

(42:15):
a room one day going don't you know who I am?
Don't you see? Did you hear me?

Speaker 5 (42:22):
But I wanna My My goal, though, is I don't
even want to. I don't want to do that, like
you don't have to say it. Yeah, I I just
want to. I want to because because that's what everyone expects.
Everyone expects me to come in and go do you
know who my dad is? Do you know who this is?
Blah blah blah. Do you know that I did Stephen
Balswom's podcast, Come on, guys, you know I I want

(42:45):
to go from that place where I've always been known.
People have known me for who I am more than
my talent, my entire life, and I want to start
coming from a place where my work not only in
are you writing? Want to it's I'm slightly add and
so here's what I do. Getting it from my head

(43:05):
to the paper is very challenging.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
But I just give concepts to my writing person.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So, like recently I said, I love Jack Reacher. Okay,
watch this now. Imagine if you did Jack Reacher right
as a Western No, what if Jack Reacher was in
Sino Man.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Okay, that sounds no.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
What if a couple kids dug up in their backyard
a human and that human was like Jack Reacher, but
he was a robot in the future.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
This sounds like something that we would write and then
the studio would be like, I love this idea, but
only if Tom Cruise does it right.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
And that's what I mean. Would go to the studio
because we've raised the money and we tell them to
kiss our ass.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
In Macy's window, what what's your association with Macy's. I'm
really I want to I want to know have you
have you ever been in a Macy's window?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I can't disclose that at this time. Boom Ray, my
wife used to when we were dating. She was a
fragrance model at Macy's. Okay, so a couple of times
after hours the lights were out I took her in
the window and we had a makeout session just because
it was a fantasy. Honest. Yeah, she never kissed my
ass in the Macy's window. That never happened.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
It just made me think, you feel like maybe you
should do some like some mall small meet and greets
for the nineties Con. But like, don't be saying, here's
here's my thing. I have to do it in Macy's window,
just so that you can.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Actually so, if I do a booth at nineties Con
in the future, will you help me come set up
a Macy's window please? Will you consult me? Okay, this
has been great. I just cut a deal with Rumor
will us to consult me on my booth at nineties

(45:03):
Con to be exactly like Macy's windows.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
I'm very expensive. You should know this, noble.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
These guys will take care of everything. These guys figure
it out for me, don't We'll get you there.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
My my busy, you know, acting schedule and an Oscar nomination.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
You know, what do you want to do that she
played a cowgirl.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Well, I would love to be a superhero because I
think I would really slay that being poison ivy is
in you know bucket list. I would love to work
with Wes Anderson.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Okay, but would you do like a road Warrior?

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Okay, stop Wes Anderson. And he's never directed anything yet,
but when he does, he's going to be awesome. Wes Anderson,
Steve Balward.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
I feel I would love to do some more theater
and some Broadway.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I just got in big trouble for saying an actor
wasn't such a great actor. Oh no, who, I can't
say it again. I'm not allowed.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
We can edit it out. I'm desperate to know what if?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
What if he's a friend of yours?

Speaker 5 (46:09):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
See I said it was a he you're getting it,
you're pulling it out.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Well, listen, I'm very in my head.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
My brother did loot and serious money by Joe Orton
on Broadway. I helped him learn the dialect. We would
open like this often. You know the whole thing, right.
People don't understand what acting is. It's the ability to
do English dialect, country dialect. Oh.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
I paid it with my own money on the Western
to have a dialect coach so I could. I wanted
to make sure I'll standed, real, real nice.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I love it so I said, in an interview with
a guy who was trying to get me to say
crazy stuff. Yeah, named Patrick Bette David because he's a
crazy guy, I said, Leo, I can't even say his name.
Leonardo DiCaprio. Yes, yeah, I said, he's a good actor,
but I don't think he's as great as the industry

(47:05):
has kind of built him up to be. And then
he said, well, you know, but yeah, but didn't he
do this? And didn't he? I went, no, no, No, he's
early in his career. He did some cool stuff, yeah,
I said, but I just see him more and as
kind of a movie star than an actor. There's a
difference between people who are movie stars because they can't act,
but yet they still fill those positions.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
See. I have a totally different association with movie stars
than that. I think that movie stars are actually they
don't make them anymore. Movie Stars to me are my dad,
my mom, to like. Tom Hanks is a movie star.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Such a super cool thing. Here, this is a great observation.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Go ahead, Tom Cruise is a movie star, John Travolta
is a movie star. Nicole Kidman is a movie star.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
What are those people today? In your opinion?

Speaker 5 (47:55):
They're still movie stars, right, but not the same kind. No,
they are. The differences is the industry and how they
relate to them has changed. It's just like we used
to have supermodels, but there really isn't that anymore interesting,
But movie stars like it's it's just you have that
that thing it exactly, and people don't have that anymore.

(48:16):
Not to mention, when you think about movie stars from
like old school, I'm talking real, real movie stars, you know, Yes,
gene Kelly Scarlett O'Hara. I don't even think that's her
real name, but you know he we're talking about. Yes,
you had to be a singer, an actor, a dancer,

(48:37):
you had to be a triple threat. And there's just
it's a different level to be able. You know, as
as much as people kind of gave him flack a
lot of the movies that my dad, Like the last
couple of movies that my dad did, he's only in
them for the first you know, for the first couple

(49:00):
scenes in the movie, right, maybe three days of work.
But they're selling an entire film based around his name.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Correct being in it, you know what I mean, the
box office part.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yeah, And to me, like Tom Cruise can greenlight anything
that he wants, right, Like, there's there's a there's just
a there's a certain level that I think it's just
not it's just not around anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
There's a well, there's a level of accessibility to what
can be produced. Yes, but now the economy of all
that has changed. Obviously, supermodels now become supermodels because they
start big companies, not just because they were model. Bruce
Willis's you know little you know icon, Well, there's just not.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Cindy Crawford's and Naomi Campbell's. I mean, there's just not
that kind.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Of what I said about Leo wasn't it's a little no.
But it's a little bit of me going, I don't
think he's the cats mew. That's okay. Yeah, I'm sure
he doesn't think I am. That's okay. But but I'm
just saying in that interview, I turned around and said, well,
when you think of Leondo Leonardo, do you think of

(50:17):
him in the same league as you know, Gary Oldman?
Has he done the same?

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Gary is a good one.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
What I mean is I've never seen Leonardo DiCaprio say hey,
I'm taking a year off because I'm doing you know,
kisses the Spider Woman on Broadway, right, he doesn't do that.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Maybe he's not a theater guy.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
And I think the better actors are the ones who
you see give performance, who come from the theater.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
I hear what you're saying. And also, I think we
can't be overly snobby about because there's character actors who
have never done theater that are on that give invisible,
incredible performance.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Rumor I'm a snobby nineties icon baby, I'm a snob.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
I mean, I'm really snobby too, And I hope.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That makes sense. Listens totally at a Starbucks in the future.
You know, I'm sure he's not.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Gonna I hope he comes up to you and he's like, listen, man.
It really hurt my feelings when you said that, and
I just feel like I want to clear the air
that would be. I just want to be there for that.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
All of this is an evil ploy of mine, because
when I see him, I'm gonna go. Really, I don't
believe anything that you stand for unless you star with
me on Broadway in Kiss of the Spider. I'm daddy,
come Leo, let's do it.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
And I love that. It's all just a backwards ploy
to get yeah, it's all just.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I created one bad movie just to get Leo on
the stage.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
I love it. You know what, you know what I
think would be amazing for you to do. I think
that you should write a script called one bad Movie.
There was there was a movie that came out a
little while ago and it had insane actors in it,
like really crazy like Clive Owen, Julia Roberts, all these
people did it. But it was a Hugh jackman. I
think he did one where he had uh, you guys

(52:10):
will have to like the balls on his chin testicles, Yes,
a man full testicles on his chin. What was it called? Yes,
movie forty. You should watch it at home tonight.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Movie.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Yes. I think you could do something like this.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Would I have to do that?

Speaker 5 (52:27):
No, you don't have to do that, but you could
get it. Could be it could be you directing a film,
but somehow you managed to get all of these insane
insane A listers. All you have to do is just
call your brother first.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
I love that we somehow can like share this funny
thing where where people are trying to talk to you
and it's sometimes it's never really about you. I think
there's a very a small window of people who really
understand what that experience is where someone is talking to
you and trying to get something from you, but it

(53:08):
actually has nothing to do with you.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Oh so you mean okay, I did it now. Yeah.
So it's it's a bit of a get shorty kind
of yeah, you know, kind of deception. You think the
whole thing's about one thing, but in the end it's
about something else. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
You get a phone call and they're like, hey, I
really want you to do this movie. It's with Leo,
but would you mind passing the scripture? Brother? Because I
feel like we have this other little part that we
feel like you'd be great for and you're and you
and You've been built up this whole conversation, right and
then all of a sudden they just slip that in
right at the end, and you're like, oh man, you

(53:44):
really had me. You had me so close, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Okay, so none of not. I'm just curious now because
if it's has that what happened to you? Has that
ever happened to me?

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Yeah? Or even I feel like answer Honestly, I feel
like now it would I feel like it would be
someone asks you about your daughter.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
No, no, no, here here's my answer. So I'm married
to the same Brazilian gal for thirty five years.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
If you can do that and make one hundred movies
and still be together, that's pretty grood. Yeah. I've been
a pretty hardcore person of faith for a long time.
I was a hardcore person of politics for a long time.
I've radically stepped away from all of that well because

(54:44):
I'm interested in saving art. So if that means i
can make like a contemporary sixteen Candles totally where what
the characters talk about is this, yeah, because there's no converse.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
No, I mean, it would be amazing to have, you know,
a movie about, say, moms who are contending with how
to deal with talking to your kids about sex nowadays,
in a world where everything is so accessible, or dealing
with how to talk to your kids. You know, it's
interesting that you just brought that up. The first thing
that popped into my mind is because I didn't grow

(55:22):
up with any sort of religion. My mom has always
been very spiritual. I mean, like the Queen of Woo Woo.
I was always there was someone doing weird stuff with
a pendulum and tarot cards and you know, i've and
I did three years of a class of spiritual psychology,
which was probably one of the most fascinating in life
changing things I've done. But I think it'd be even

(55:43):
cool exploring how to have a conversation with your kid
about whatever your belief is in God outside of a
system or what the God of your understanding. I think
one of the most amazing things about AA programs that
I think they should be literally taught in schools is
having a higher power, right, whatever that looks like for you,

(56:03):
and having a God of your understanding to be able to,
I don't know, not make the higher power someone else,
make it food, drugs, clothing, another person, sex, you know.
And I'm going super deep on you also time.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
But what's really cool about this, this, this the genesis
of this is I was making an observation and everybody
in the room was like, hey, like, perhaps you don't
have a certain awareness. So what I'm saying is it's
not awareness, it's sensibility, really, you know what I mean, perspective.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
You know, you don't know and unless you know, right, like,
it's hard. It's hard. From a generation that didn't have
to think about any of that to now it's it's
it's everywhere, right.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
You know, But am I making sense as far as
wouldn't it be cool from like a John Hughes storytelling?
Totally effective now in a in a yeah, sixteen candles
structurally where you had enough ensemble, where people.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
A young a young person's discovery of you.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Should write that, you should write this.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
I want to write is I'm fascinated by. I don't
want to call it love because that sounds cheesy. I'm
fascinated behind the psychology of attraction and well it's an energy.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
The things that we do or capturing the energy and
the essence of how we get when we're interested in someone.
Because I think as a woman, I'm always really caught
up in my experience and how women are. Oh I
hope he likes me, or I hope this. And I
never think of guys going, oh, man, I hope she
likes me, especially when when I'm the one that's liking them, right,

(57:55):
I never think, oh, there's some guy over there that's going, oh,
I hope she likes me. I'm in my head always
going he's so busy, he's probably barely thinking about me.
And you know, and I think it would just be
interesting to do some sort of an exploration of of that.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
But do you mean like in a tango in Paris
kind of way or just more uh uh Jerry.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Maguire, I love that you love Jerry McGuire almost in
a kind of vignette aspect. I've always oh, that's cool.
So I think I would make a great director because
I am a perfectionist and I am very precise, and
you're control control free, So I do you agree.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
What I'm doing? Writer, director, producers, you know.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
But whenever. And I'm a musician, so when I when
I listen to music, I see scenes in my head.
And so I've always thought of doing a film that
was almost like a soundtrack. So there's not even maybe
a whole lot of dialogue. But you're taking I feel
like someone's going to totally steal this idea. You're taking

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a song. So one of the songs I want to
use is I'm going to use this as my copyright
because in case anyone tries to steal this, we have
this dated.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
You know that song? You know that song, Dance Yourself
Clean by LCD Sound System. I think so it's a
fantastic song and.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Do you sing?

Speaker 5 (59:26):
I do?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Can you sing it?

Speaker 5 (59:28):
I can't sing that song, but I sing I'll send
you something it it just if you. I want to
take the lyrics of the songs and make those the
dialogue for the scenes. Yeah, and then get actors like
Leo you know, George Clooney, Jack Nicholson, Sandra Bullock, you know,

(59:51):
movie stars and kind of make a vignette of love,
stories of connection and about how real it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
But from the lyrics of the song. Yes, that's a
great idea.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
And mix it. So there's a song by Santo and
Johnny called Sleepwalk, and whenever you hear it, immediately you
think of some sort of movie where there's a man
he's going off to war and he's with his girl
and they're dancing in a gym by themselves, or it's always.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Used in that it's one of the vignettes, Yes, and.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Just capturing moments of reality. Because there are also so
many rom coms and Disney movies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
You never explained to me what a rom com was.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
It's a romantic comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Oh that's what it means. Yeah, I thought, oh, rom
com means oh. So whenever somebody says I'm doing a
rom com. It means I'm doing a romance. I thought
it was some kind of a like nineties calm. It's
not a convention. I thought rom com was a convention.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
I mean, it probably is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
It probably won't come back to one bad movie now,
since I just figured that out. But it's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
What's your favorite bad movie? What's a movie that you
that you watch that that you sit there and you go, Man,
if I told anybody that I love this movie, it
would be so embarrassing. But you just sit and you

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have to watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
So it's my one bad movie guilty pleasure. Yes, Oh gosh,
Titanic of course.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
Sorry, only the Oscar nominated James Cameron.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Piez a ship crap, kiss my ass and.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Make d You definitely are the youngest child because you're
such a shit stir and I love it. You can
totally tell.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Sorry, no, no, it's so that's sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
It's so funny because it is. It's just funny because
those stereotypes are so dead on for oldest children. I
don't know if you've watched this, but Nick Kroll does
a comedy stand up special and he talks about the
different orders and has a stereotype for the oldest, middle,
and youngest, and it's dead on. It's one of the funny,

(01:02:27):
it's iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
But I tried my kids nuts with this behavior. It's
just you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
I truly love it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Can we jump into what's your favorite guilty pleasure of
your parents?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
And then not?

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Really? Yeah, I don't know if it's a guilty pleasure
of my parents. Let me see my favorite. Okay, I'm
going to give you one. Because my mom does not
think that this is I don't know if she doesn't.
I don't want to blow up her spot. I don't
know if she doesn't think it's a good movie or
she didn't like her acting in it. But there's a
movie called The Butcher's Wife with her and Jeff Daniels

(01:02:58):
and she is a psych and I love this movie.
I think it's fantastic. She's this kind of witchy woman
by the sea and it's just again a movie that
they would never make right now, But I love it.
And I think she looks so beautiful. She's got this
blonde hair, which I love because she of course always
has her like watch it, long sheet of hair. It's amazing. Well,

(01:03:20):
and there's another woman. Oh Mary Stein Virgin who I
love is a lounge singer in it? What a babe?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
No, no, no, I don't even such a dame. It's
like my Jamie Gillard. Would you say something?

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Yeah, oh Sarah Michelle?

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And then what will you think about just writing an idea? Yes,
like a concept, like a treatment. Yeah, you could write
a treatment. It's like writing a college esse.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Oh, I trust me. I'm I'm a one woman show
over here with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Good But if you were to write I think if
you were to think about like a contemporary sixteen Candles
that dealt with kind of your dad and your mom's generous.
Now they are more comprehensive, you know what I mean.
But I think there's a lott of people of every

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age that don't have the ability to catch a movie
or a story that might communicate yeah, that's serious. Is
the way you just encapsulated it was kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
I feel like it would be cool to do something
nowadays that is diving into like a first sexual experience
and what that is in it, because I think that
a lot of even the John Hughes movies they kind
of touch on it, but not in a real way,

(01:04:47):
and I think that could you know who does a
good job of that? Actually is euphoria? Right, It's dark,
but it's good job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
So question, if you could do your euphoria, would it
be the same as euphoria or would you have a
different take?

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Well, I think that lens is very specific. I guess,
I guess it doesn't totally. It doesn't have a huge
spark for me. Euphoria Well, telling a teen like that,
that doesn't have a spark. If you said I want
you to make a movie about motherhood and about I'm

(01:05:31):
very in a zone right now where I'm really interested
in the experience of pregnancy and motherhood.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
And but from that perspective you have a sense and
an opinion of the world.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
Yeah. My self awareness is my greatest gift and also
my greatest curse. That's awesome, you know, And I think
it sometimes can create a lot of self where I'm
almost too hypercritical of myself. But it's also created an ability,
you know. I remember doing a movie when I was
like eighteen, and they said, oh, we're going to send

(01:06:11):
you to media training, and I said, I don't need
to do that. I'm good because I know how to
handle myself where.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
You don't want somebody to change your way of answering.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
No, but I but a lot of some people need
that because some people get in front of an interviewer
and all of a sudden they get they don't make
the right points derailed. You know, even when my team
sends me on podcasts or interviews or things and they go, oh,
they're probably going to bring up your dad or is
you know, in him being sick, or they're probably going
to bring up your parents, And it doesn't ever bother
me because I am not worried about saying something that

(01:06:48):
I don't want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
I might, I might say something about another topic, but
with at least my family, I'm it's not what I'm
worried about because my brain has always functioned in a
how to protect everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
My publishers just going like that to me right now,
thank you for being here. Of course, you're so much
more than I anticipated. I'm glad I didn't prepare. I
kind of did, and these guys hate me for that.
This was an amazing conversation. But it's cool that I'm

(01:07:24):
fifty eight and you're whatever in thirty six. But your
wisdom is even more profound than mine in this respect.
It's certainly, but that's cool, and really my heart is
share that wisdom however you think it makes sense. Yeah,
and definitely attack the algorithm right now. If you feel

(01:07:45):
creatively you're bursting because of the mom thing, go with it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Well, what I'm really fascinated by I have a podcast
coming out, and you know, I've almost been sober for
eight years, and I didn't work program for like seven
of them. I learned something recently that the ism is
I sponsor myself. So I guess I've been sponsoring myself
for the last you know, seven years, which doesn't totally

(01:08:12):
always work at all. And what I am really curious
and interested in is kind of what I was telling
you earlier, which is we make things our higher power
or people, and we all have these masks that we
hide behind, right. We have the well I'm I'm an actor,
or I'm this, or I'm rumor Willis or you know,

(01:08:34):
my parents are this. And I'm really curious because we
all walk through the world with a certain persona that
we present to the world, and that maybe even we
hide behind ourselves. And so I'm very curious in undering
and understanding how in getting underneath how what people make
their higher powers above? You know, something greater than that?

(01:08:57):
And also what are you hiding behind? And to kind
of enforce that you need this mask to be enough
or to be valuable?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
If you stripped away me being an actor, a singer,
being talented, if you stripped away who my parents are,
why is that not? Why do I have a belief
system inside of me that that does not inherently make
me enough?

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
It's an interesting parallel that you're saying, because right now
you'll see a lot of actors who were famous decades
ago who are now living these quote unquote normal lives.
So therefore their value now is compared to then X, Y,
and z. It's an oddity in that respect. And then
I just forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Somebody was going to ask, great, we'll bring it back
to bad movies so you can finish your answer, what's
your favorite guilty pleasure of your dad's. To finish that,
and then what do you think their most underrated movies are?

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Ooh, okay, my dad's guilty pleasure. I don't know if
it's a guilty pleasure because other people love it. I'm
obsessed with moonlighting obsessed with Moonlighting. When we lived in Idaho,
I my dad had a claw we had my dad
always has these whenever he has a couch. It's like

(01:10:18):
a bedcouch, you know, so you have the row of
couches and then the ottomans. So it just is like
some sort of seventies jagat Kids.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Is one of the kings of the.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
And I remember so viscerally. We had this closet of
vhs stacked with the episodes. Oh wow, stacked with the
episodes because there was something with the music where it's
never been on a streaming service. It actually just came out.
I think we're Scarship right by the TV room in
Idaho and we're right out there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
But Moonlighting to me is so I can't And I
feel like G I. Jane for my mom, is wildly underrated.
I feel like she did strip teas in G I.
Jane back to back and got annihilated because the people
just couldn't handle a woman who was topless in a

(01:11:19):
film and then all of a sudden shaving her head
and being a marine. She was way before her time
and has been a kind of leader I think in
a lot of that, but people just didn't know what
to do with her, and it made them so uncomfortable
that someone could occupy both of those spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
But also she's a very intelligent woman, oh a thousand percent.
You know. Because of the industry and choices, people have
played certain roles. Listen to me more insane almost fire
so great, but listen, it's like when you're a young
like I was a young guy seeing another one of
these teeny boppera movies and this kind of trendy brat

(01:12:02):
pack thing. But your mom is kind of like my wife.
My wife is a big eater. My wife can eat
a whole steak, you know what I mean. And when
my wife sits down and she wants to make a point,
she lowers her voice. She can really lower. To me
more in se almost I was like, yeah, I know
her voice, this voice and cint Elmo's there was a
little more respe but she was like the pretty gal

(01:12:26):
in the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
So big hair, oh yeah, with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Everything, but the voice is raspy voice in those eyes,
you know. So back then that was kind of what
lent to her success in the performances she gave was
that confidence again, Yeah, that kind of presence that it
quality we're talking about, which, in my personal opinion, has

(01:12:51):
never been more uh manifested than now. The work she's
doing now.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
Had heart time watching that. I didn't see, can't It's
really intense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I can't see.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
I think just as as a new I'm so proud
of her, I'm like her ride or die biggest fan.
I had a really hard time watching it because as
a new mom, just gore is like not my thing,
but as an artist, could not be more proud of her.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
But I had to get it out.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
It's so important, I think what I think. The the
message behind it is so vital right now, especially now
more than ever, about aging and how disposable we are
as women in this industry and just in the world
because man, if I grew up with Instagram, how girls are,

(01:13:45):
I would not have survived. It is so rough and
just even how people are so judgmental, you know, I
feel like, oh man, it's just a It's a tough
ass world. You know, people are so hypercritical of everything.
Fifth Element is one of my dad's apps. It's one
of my favorite movies of all time of his. I

(01:14:06):
think it is an iconic film. Also, Deep Cut Hudson
Hawk is Fire. It's a fire movie, and everybody just
chat on it. But I don't know taking risks like that,
I think that I wish my dad had done more

(01:14:28):
movies like that, or what's the other one that I love?
Death Becomes Her because he's so funny. He's one of
the funniest dudes I've ever met, and so goofy. We
would literally be on the streets of New York in
a black suburban going places, and all of a sudden
he would roll down the window and yell, yell to

(01:14:48):
a stranger on the street, Matt Damon, Oh buddy, so good,
and people would look and think that we were out
of our minds, you know, were sitting somewhere. He would
bring harmonicas he would bring his harmonica to a very
fancy like Georgio Baldi or something and just start playing

(01:15:10):
at the table, And you know that, I just wish
there was more Goofy movies. I wish that there was
more fun and people being willing to make a bad movie,
not in the context of we're taking ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
So seriously, accept your offer of partnering with me in
the future as writer, producer, director.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
What if I want to direct it it's done done.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
We'll see, we'll see what the investors say. We'll just
see whose idea they like better.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
One finathetic questions. One, Okay, bring it back to you.
So you said you wanted to work with Wes and oh, yeah, Well,
how do you think you'll react when you get the chances.
Let's let's bring this into existence versus when you get
the chance to work with someone like Quentin Tarantina. Because
I'm sure you looked like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Oh, that was amazing, Yeah, getting to work with Quentin.
The only sad part about that is I wish I'd
got to work with him for more time. You know,
I was. I shot that scene and once upon a
time in Hollywood the day after my thirtieth birthday, so
it was the coolest birthday present ever. But I would

(01:16:26):
love to I would love Quentin to be your next
muse Uma Thurman, kill Bill, Let's go. That was an
incredible experience. And I feel like if I, if and
when I get to work with, say someone like Wes
Anderson or these incredible directors that I so look up to. Right,

(01:16:52):
just see the incomparable I heard your brother's directing. He's
offered me. This is so rude to do you because
I would be so mad.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I'm so sorry. Which one which brother? Hon Wicha? They're
all directors now, baby. So you worked with Quinn? Did
you worked with Wes? No?

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
I haven't worked.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
But what would you want to do with Wes?

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Literally? I would do I would do anything I think.
I think Royal ten and Bombs is a perfect piece
of cinema. Okay, if what are your top three?

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
What are you? Wes? Anderson said, I want you to
do a cameo where you stand in a room at
the end of the wrap of the movie and I
want you to pee in your wardrobe.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
And we want to find absolutely, absolutely hands down.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
She had a question.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
My my top three movies of all time, and these
are just top three are Royal Tenant Bombs. My number
one is true Romance and the other one is practical Magic,
I know, kind of rogue. But what are your top three?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Godfather too, Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
Is that in the number one position?

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
What's number one?

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
What's the greatest film in my opinion?

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
No, it's not, no, no, no, it's not about it
being the greatest film. It's about being your favorite film.
Romance is a perfect film to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Me, Okay, Raging Bull great is the greatest capturing of
the cinematic experience in my opinion. Okay, what cinema is
cinema It's very different than movies, right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
I love you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Yeah, I only look stupid girl. Okay, cinema you know. So,
can I say From Here to Eternity is a great film?

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
No, No, it's not about it being great. It's about it
just being like you love it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
So my three favorite films are Raging Ball, Godfather Too,
and Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Absolutely, that's up there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Fast Times at Ridgemont High may be probably the film
that impacted me personally at a certain time in my
life where I needed happiness and joy and spontaneity and
freedom and you know, and just not let the world
be on my shoulders all the time. So same as
sixteen Candles, kind of similar in that Oh Dies, Yeah dude,

(01:19:38):
So what this Jefferson dude was trying to say was, like, Dude,
we left this England place because it was totally bogus.
So what we need to do is get our own
set of cool rules pronto, or we'll just be bogus too.
That's I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
You know, another movie I love is h cool world Ah,
epic Kim Basinger, epic film.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
She's a terrific one. The Oscar. You know that, Kim Basinger,
she's pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
I'm really good friends with Ireland.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
And you and Ireland should get together and start writing scripts,
is what you should do, because we need your input.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
And we're too busy. We have babies, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Thank you so much for having appreciate its guilty blassness.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
This sun

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
So bad as bad