Open Mike - David Bakhtiari on Green Bay’s future, Aaron Rodgers, did Packers miss their window? - Open Mike

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
One of the coolest things in football is what the
people who are really really good at it, especially if
the non fantasy variety get recognized and get paid. And
I remember back in November twenty twenty how psyched I
was when David Buktiari got a massive deal in recognition

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of just years of being really really good. And then
I remember sending the text it was all good. And
then a few weeks later, a very unhappy New Year's
Eve Day, he suffered an ACL injury. And it has
taken a long time for this guy to get back.

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I feel like he finally is back to being a dominator.
So naturally people are talking about his cap number. Welcome
to the NFL, David, How are you bad?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Good? Thank you for having me on, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean that pretty much summarizes it. Right, you must
be back because already like, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
He costs a lot, Yes, very true. All right, we'll
get it.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
We'll get into that, We'll get into me almost ruining
your wedding and.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Some other things.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, how can I hopefully bring that up?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's yeah, I'm not getting off of the hook on
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
But most important of all, I have you this is
a big, big topic that I know everybody is really
hinging on. How is Phase one of OTA's going for you?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
In great event, Daddy Daycare is going well, just like
the other ten times I've done it, not too much variance,
I will say through my I guess now eleven years
I can say seeing the progression from working. You know,
we used to work harder and just kind of beat

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us up and we kind of were doing things to
do them to now having reasoning and rationale behind certain
you know, training perspectives and not just trying to you know,
have so much competition all the time, so much running
where you're just kind of beating the bodies up. I've
loved seeing that progression throughout my years. But other than that,

(02:24):
I mean, it's good to get back to see some fun,
friendly faces at the facility, you know, throw some of
my jabs in. I was like a mess around with
a bunch of my teammates, and it just hits better
when you're in person. So trying to find the positive
things in that perspective of being in person.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But overall, I mean, like I said, Phase one of
Daddy Daycare is going well well.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
So this survey has come out NFLPA initiated survey about
facilities and all things, and I loved it. I yeah,
And I want to ask because I was on someone
else's podcast recently. He's a former Chargers team doctor, and
he was kind of like, you know, it's like YELP.

(03:06):
But I go, yeah, it's like YELP if only restaurant
employees were allowed to respond. But I see, I think
it's gotta you know, people are gonna have to up
their games.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
So my first.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Question is, are the Traders are other people at the
facility like a little bit more mindful right now of
interpersonal interactions at the wake of the survey, I would definitely.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Say, like subconsciously for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I like to think, you know, Green Bay got a
very fair grade across the board, and I would definitely
expect them to be on, you know, top ten or
I think just outside the top five. I think that's
like very reasonable for what it is. For the most part,
most things are pretty good over there over there with us.
And I loved the thing I loved about a one JC.

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You know, we drafted together and he's literally he was
made to be the PA president. I'm so happy he
kind of extended and accepted that role, and he's got
amazing ideas, and I think this was one of the
bright spots because they can really can highlight and show
across the league. You know, I think a lot of
if I had to guess, I haven't been in any

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other franchise except the Packers, but there's a lot of
things I think that get swept underneath the rug and
people kind of get lost in certain places. So I
think it's awesome to see places kind of get get
the grades, and for especially for free agency, guys can know.
I mean, they used to say Raiders used to be
your careers, go to die. Now you look across the
board and they're raving reviews from their facilities, and the.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Guys love it.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
They're from their quality of life and travel and nutrition
where I used to remember hearing from like Donald Penn.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
They used to have a guy roll up and kick on.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Propane tank and cook like omelets on a two burner
and that was like their breakfast. I was like, Wow,
it's remarkable just to see certain those places. I actually
was so surprised about the Vikings. I mean, I would
assume most of the places that do brand new facilities,
they're probably going to get really good reviews, but I
had no idea that it was going to get great
that well. And that's I mean, that's awesome to hear

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just from a player's perspective from the NFLPA. Now, you know,
obviously there are rivals in the NFC North, So for us,
I'm like, well, you know, I want to make sure
where do the Packers need to do, what do we
need to do to be better, because obviously I wanted
the best in our division. But yeah, overall, along windway
of saying, I think a lot of people kind of
have been put on notice to understand that any little

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interaction they have now can be great.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And I think it's only going to be another data
point moving forward.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
That's going to push the quality of our profession and
what we have to go through on a daily basis further,
which I think is great on all points.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think back to when I was at Sports Illustrated
in the nineties and my good Frank Kyle Turley told
me about the rant he went on at trade at Saints'
training camp in Thibodeau, Louisiana about how bad he thought
the food was. And I don't know if you've ever
met Kyle, but he's not very subtle in his uh,

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you know, descriptions, and it sounded like one of the
all time rants.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
We're hoping that people are more on their game because
it is a free agency recruiting tool, negative and positive.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I would believe.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, also just from a daily like life for the player,
you know, I would assume, you know, looking across the league, owners, gms,
they're only getting fed what the head of their departments
are going to feed them.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
So most of them are going to say, all is good,
We're the best in the league.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Kind of curate your certain numbers, whether it's real or
curated to benefit them, because at the end of day,
there is a human moment of protecting your own ass.
So now to see, well.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Here's an perspective from the people receiving the care and
or the use of your department, and this is how
they view it.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
And I was just I'd heard rumors about I think
it was like balt the Ravens strength coach.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I'd heard rumors about that. I've heard rumors about.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
The commanders, and I think it's awesome now to validate
said rumors and it puts them on notice. Which is
awesome because before you know, it sounds like, oh, we're
just complaining, and then it's you know, it always comes
back to which is funny. The mass is always been like, you.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Know, the players always complaining they want more.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's like, well, again, you have to you have to
judge apples to apples on apples to oranges. So across
the board from US players, how are we being treated?
You know, hearing that when the Patriots went on their
crazy run and they got like their own two custom
planes here and they have like shakestations on it and
like other modalities in which they can like fully recline.
And I remember sitting in a coach seat being like, man,

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that would be so awesome to have. And then now
just kind of you're just getting more inmporasion at the
end of the day, more information, the better, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Complain what I said, and coach, I don't even want
to think about being you.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Sitting a coach.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
But it's a great point because the football culture, I
feel like, is kind of like geared toward shut up
and do it, you know, because it makes you tougher,
and there's like almost a militaristic like follow orders vibe
to it when you're young, and then you ascend, and
then you go to college and play for free, although
that is now blessedly changing to some degree, and then

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you have an artificially deflated rookie deal because not only
are you told where you have to play, but now
you're not getting close to market value. It's been you know,
negotiated down and then finally you get paid and you
have a choice to some degree.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
But you know this is you're.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Also a highly specialized athletes who are preparing to do
very very specific and difficult things that provide entertainment for
the masses, et cetera. So you would think from the
perspective of running a business, you would want, you know,
both from both you would want the people to be

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able to perform well, but also just that vibe that
we're not viewing you as a piece of meat. We're
viewing you as a vehicle to our flourishing as an
organization and.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
League. And I totally and one hundred percent agree with
you as well.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
But if I take off my player cap and put
on my owner cap, from their perspective, it is a business.
It is an investment for them at the end of
at the end of the day, it's a bottom dollar.
So if they take out the human element, which I'm
assuming a lot of owners of businesses or CEOs whatever
they do, and look at, how do I get my
books as good.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
As possible work? Where like, do you know, do we
really need this?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Can I put you know, two players in a room
in a hotel and cut out you know, fifteen to
twenty percent of the room. So I'm saving rooms like
these are all you know, places in ways that I
can only rationalize for the ability and the reason why
that the team and or club is doing it. Because
for sure, for sure the other day, I mean, the

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NFL's printing money at this point.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I get, by the way, by the way, the value
of the franchise you play for appreciated another one hundred
thousand dollars while we were just talking right there.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I wouldn't doubt that one bit.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
And they printed more stock probably, so that's a whole
other thing. Yeah, yes, yeah, And listen, I worked for
the owners for eight years at NFL Network. I was
ultimately a cap casualty. You know, it would be the
analogy and uh, the game, yeah it happens, you know,
but I know, but It is interesting because I came up.

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I was a young beat writer covering the forty nine ers.
I was really close with Eddie de Bartlow. This is
even before the cap, and ultimately they'd put in the
cap because of him and people like him. But he
had a way different attitude. He was hyper generous what
he could be. He would literally hand out towels, you know,
when players would come through the tunnel after Dames at halftime.

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I think as a gesture of saying, I understand that
you are sweating for me, and you grew up in
the Bay Area, so I think you kind of know
the lore. But I also remember the same franchise when
John York and Denisa Barblo York were now would charge
I believe I reported that a player space in on

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which player it was signed a deal had got like
maybe a forty thousand dollars signing bonus, and they back
it was before direct deposit, and they mailed them the
check and it was for like thirty nine thousand, nine
hundred and seventy nine dollars and five cents because they
took the FedEx fee out of the check.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, I mean again, I don't like it, but from Again,
at the end of I respect it.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's if you want to run the business and that's
who you are, great, like, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
But in the same end, you have to accept what
can come of those said actions based on how you're
going to run your business and or team or franchise.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
And I think that's you.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Know, when you can take the you know, emotional side
out of it, which I try to do a lot
when understand it. To be rational, sometimes you have to
take your emotions out of have to really see what
what exactly are they doing, even if it's at the
demise of set myself a from a player's perspective.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
So that's where a lot of times I'm like, yeah,
I guess this is this is.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
The only reason it could be than now we're acting
in the realm of irrationality, which then doesn't bode well
either because then it's like, well, then why are you
in the position to make these choices if you're not
going to be a rational choice maker. So again, it
could it's a cyclical cycle, it could be a vicious cycle.
And that's that's kind of where I've kind of wrapped
my mind and come to a sense of like understanding and.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
At peace with uh, the things that are.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Good that that me as a player benefit from, and
them things that aren't so good that come to me
as a player.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, you are not shy about uh, you know, keeping
it real. And you recently went on with a couple
of former NFL linemen, Taylor and Will who know a lot,
and spoke your mind, talked about your future or you know,
uncertainty surrounding it, talked about Aaron and caused quite a stir.

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Although because I want to get to it later, I
will support you wholeheartedly on the ted Lasso being overrated.
I appreciate that, yes, and I totally want to get
into that, and and also why Trent Krim is kind
of the devil, But that's that's an aside. But yeah,
you know, so you did say some things. I think

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you said you called the packers they and people freaked out.
Has there has there been any awkwardness since you've been
back in the wake of any of that.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, I think there's been a little bit of awkwardness,
And I think that really just stems from the lack
of understanding and the fact that I have to spell
it out. I guess this is the platform to do it.
They is the front office. I am not the front office.
Like I said before, When I act rationally and I
take my momotions out and look from a business standpoint,
I'm thinking from a third person point of view. So

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it's almost annoying the fact that I have to explain that.
And that's why I know I have Twitter and my
ability to use my voice. But I'm like, by responding
to any of this creates credibility and it makes it
more real when I'm like, this is just people going

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off on.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
A tangent, nitpicking said words for what.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Like I'm again, I'm not a type of person that's
going to assassinate my sentences so that you can find
a cryptic message I'm trying to find. If I felt
like I wanted to disassociate, I would light out say
I wasn't going to disassociate, And that's pretty black and white.
There's no gray area with me. So again, if I
have to spell it even further, they means front office

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of the Green Bay Packers when I'm trying to talk
about said negotiation tactic, because right now there's two points
in which people say that there's a leverage from and
my own My own thought was like, well, where are
the Packers seeing their leverage? And then I thought to myself,
if I'm in the front office, I would assume that
this is probably what the hill they're dying on from

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where they see deemed leverage based on where they've held
their cap or how they've been how they've been active
or inactive in free agency for their position.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
That's that is as black.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And white as I can get, and I'm almost excited
to see how people can still pull.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
That apart and make their own reality.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And again, if you're going to live in the reality
that you want to live.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
In, great, I'm not. I don't care to change your mind. Now.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
If you want to listen to what my mind says, fantastic,
but don't don't read into something that's don't make something
fake real what's real being said.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So that's that's my piece on that.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Some of the pearl clutching that I've seen as well,
You said they're rebuilding, and I'm like, yeah, probably because
I think you're rebuilding moving on from a whole.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Like I literally literally today talked to Jordan about this.
I'm like, the Packers rebuilded from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers,
what we're gonna say, it's not a rebuild like it
is exact like that is what that is, and that's
totally fine.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
We could.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I am not saying that we're gonna be bad. I'm
not saying we're good. I don't know, and that's a beauty.
No one really knows how good they are. Well we
start the season, everyone is batting thousand, no one has
any losses, no one has any wins, and let the
season play out however it may will. Maybe. Now, I'm
assuming Vegas has their odds and their standings, and I'm
assuming they're gonna put us pretty low.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Great.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
I remember a Niner team that they've had pretty low.
They ended up like what are they?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Harbaugh's first year, they almost said the NFC Championship game
over type.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I think not only that year, but I remember I
think it was the year like when Richard Sherman was
on the team and they ended up coming out of nowhere.
I think with even like Jimmy g I'm like, again,
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'm on the team and I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
A lot of teams don't know, and all of us
are getting the same coach speak every year about you know,
this the championship team, We're going to be out there
in the super Bowl, Like, y god, damn right, I
fucking hope so. But let's you know, I'll also probably
take a breather halfway through the year kind of see
where we are. I'll take another breather and kind of
look at dissociate myself from and think about taking my

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emotions out of it and be like, realistically, are we
a playoff team or not?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Who are we?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
And like I'm just trying to look at from a
very honest and real perspective. I'm not going to live
in a fake reality. I'm going to see exactly where
my team's at. And like it's funny like when me
and Jordan have like a laugh about it, kind of
talking about it, and it's just like we're everyone else outside,
you know, buildings or people can just that their mind
runs rampant, and you know, it's like, oh, it's the

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disrespect that Jordan that he doesn't care about the team.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm like, when did I ever say I didn't care
about Jordan?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
If I say again, if I said I don't care
about Ordane, I'll say I don't care about Jordan. If
I said I don't want to I don't like the team,
I'll say I don't like the team, but I'm under contract.
I'm in Green Bay. I'm showing up with like like
Phase one. I'm having a good time, having great laughs.
Me and Jordan are having good conversations. We're trying to
go golfing next week. We're trying to build rapport in chemistry,
like that's what you do as a team, to be

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a teammate.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
So it's just like, man, it is just hilarious.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
That's why I parton me like I just love sitting
back and just kind of watching the chaos and then
you really see who starts swarming. I'm like, that's that's
where I almost kind of sit back, like huh, I
guess that's where you can really stand here, how you
really think if you're having you know, if you're really
this uncomfortable about it, because no part of me feels
uncomfortable at all. It's all kind of real. And I'd

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be lying to myself if I looked at the moves
and things that are happening in our facility. Ooh, I
heard our hour in our facility, and I would just
I would be like an oscarch with his head in
the sand if I didn't like and that's not who
I am.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I'm gonna take all the moves.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm going to think critically and then come up with like, well,
obviously this is what this means, and if it wasn't,
then we would be doing different actions. But clearly, from
what I'm seeing, this is what it's looking like. And
I mean, who knows. I again, I'm excited because that's
that's football.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't care how good a team is on paper.
You're gonna have to go out there and play sixty
minutes and then we really see who's the better team.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, I've paid special attention to the Packers for most
of my journalistic career. That you have, Yeah, and well,
so I covered the Niners when it was Montana and
Steve Young and that was the first time in history
that there was a transition from first ballot Hall of
Fame quarterback to respell a Hall of Fame quarterback. And

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it was it made Aaron and Brett look like you know,
Barney the TV show like it was. It was the
most it was six years and it was insane by
today's standards, people have no idea, a lot of animosity,
a lot of awkwardness. Yet they were teammates and those
teams thrived, and ultimately there was a transition. You know,

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they didn't the Nighters didn't get decades out of it
like the Packers did, but it went great ultimately. Then
you know, I covered Brett all those years and Aaron
was drafted. I knew Aaron because of cow and had
a very very strong conviction that he was going to
be a good player. And I was in the distinct

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minority by the time that drama was playing out and
Brett was getting traded and I was going on records
saying He's going to be really, really good and people
were like whatever. So for once I was correct ultimately,
but you know that first year he lost.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Some close games. It took a while.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
And again, look at look at what a first ballot
arguably the best and in my opinion, like the best
player to play quarterback, like he his first year.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Would you go like six and.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Ten, I want to say, like, yeah, there's still a
transition period in that, Like you have to build your team,
like we're still cat We're there's I know, in looking
at our cap we're still hamstrung by the previous years
and our inability to do certain things because their holds
way because of you know, from COVID and moving guys
caps down the line that gives us less latitude. Like

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that is all fact. That is all reality, and like
it's just funny when people don't want to accept it,
or then their emotion gets into it and it's like
now they're mad.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
About It's like I didn't I didn't do any of this.
That's just what's out there. Well, you know, I'm not
in the front office. That that is them.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like I I got like I come in and I
play left tackle and I make sure I take care
of my stuff as best of my ability every day.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
That is all. If this is the most coach speak
I probably will use that. I agree with what you
can control. That's it.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I'm not going to find hit him, hit him in
the mouth, want it more than they do. Yeah, so
and so yeah that the It's happened twice in NFL history,
in this case three decades of uninterrupted first ballot Hall
of Fame quarterback play. I think the fans who kind
of have this presumption that well it'll just happen now

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again with Jordan A.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Not fair to Jordan B.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I would argue, it's probably a little bit of an
ask for it to happen a third time in NFL history,
But one franchise just go from A to B, two
C on that level. But you know, I'm excited to
see what Jordan does and maybe, you know, maybe it will.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
The other thing is just that all those years, I
felt strongly that the Packers were not going after it
the way I would have hoped in terms of player acquisition.
And part of that was being on the free agency
show every year and we want action and all that.
Part of its human nature. But part of it was

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talking to plenty of people that you know well and
I know well, who were like, yeah, and I remember
when Aaron wanted Marshawn in twenty ten and they had
an issue with the running backs not really stepping up.
They didn't do it. The Seahawks got him for cheap. Now,
James Stark stepped up in the playoffs and they won
a Super Bowl. But I used to rail against the

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Packer philosophy in that, look, Dude, I could draft and
develop and stay passive if I have Aaron Rodgers covering
up all weaknesses at all times and makeing me look awesome.
But I want to you know, I want to be killers.
We have Aaron Rodgers go get everyone and be You
can't get everyone, but you can be a little more

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proactive and aggressive. And I used to fight that battle
over and over. There have been times where they went
out and were more regressive. A lot of times they haven't. Uh,
I guess I would just ask it this way, do
you worry that a window has been missed now.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
That we're on the verge of a transition?

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, like it's so like, can I go back
in time change things? I mean due to how history's
played out? Yeah, but that's that's also like you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty. Like I'm not sure that's that's such
a tough thing, Like tough thing to ask and like again,
like I totally respect and understand people's philosophies because on
the same man, you know, the one there's a reason

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why you're not a GM like you you want to
make all these goods, that's one of the reasons why
you're not in that position. And for them, Like I
think if I had to put on my now my
GM cap.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Certain I think that's been like a packer philosophy that's
been instilled since like the ron Wolf era that was.
And again there's like core values that you know, you
grow and learn and understand that I know Goody was
a part of and there's a there's because he's definitely
been different than Ted and definitely more around like and

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the ability that converse them is it has been awesome,
I think, Uh, And this is no slide on Ted.
I thought Ted was amazing. Ted was a great for me.
Ted drafted me, but again Ted had his ways, and
his ways was a lot more on the U. He
was just a want I don't want to this come
up from with more of like a hermit like.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
He was just kind of over.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
You wouldn't see much of him, and when you did,
there wasn't much of a conversation to be had. With Goody,
you see more of him, conversations are to be had.
I think he's more of an extrovert, uh, compared to Ted.
But I think you know, there's some core values that
they that they have that they're instilled that that's just
kind of like the Hills that build die on on
how they uh operate, just like I see other teams

(25:50):
that operate heavily in free agency, like they're primarily free agency,
and you see constantly like they only have a few
draft picks and they come and go, like you see
certain teams that are constantly throwing draft picks left and right,
and you know, even saying quote unquote like f them picks,
like that's and again, I don't I don't know which
is better.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I think things are sickol.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I think there's times where playing in free agency is better,
obviously because there's probably a talent to be had there
and not in the draft.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's obviously hindsight.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
And there's other times where you might get a good
stretch on draft picks where there's a plus threat players
coming out of college and it's better to draft and
develop them because you get them for cheaper, you help
build your more of your core team.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
At the end of the day, you.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Take if you have a bunch of really good players,
it's probably better than having a.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Few great players like you.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
It's one thing I see, because this is a team sport,
it's eleven players on offense, eleven players on defense. It's
a lot of guys on the field, and you know,
even being from my experience, I never had a chance
to win a Super Bowl. But we had you know,
like I said, the best quarterback to ever play in
the game up.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
To this date, and that's one guy.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
And still I never got the opportunity to play in
the Super Bowl. That's slide on my quarterback. But that
just show like you can only do so much. You
need the other pieces to fall to fall where they may,
whether that's piece on the offense, piece of the defense,
piece on the special teams, pieces of you know from
coaches like I don't know, I don't know that that
said recipes. So I think that's that there's so many

(27:18):
it's so dynamic, and there's so many different pieces and properties.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
But to go back to what you're saying, like.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Dammy, missus window, you know, that's that's a if hindsight
going back in time question. You know, I think any
person woul one hundred percent say just like you had
brought up. Of course you take Marshall Lynch at a discount.
You know, who knows what the next trade that happened, Like,
of course I would have traded that pick because that
pick was ended up being such and such like whether

(27:46):
the Raiders or something like that, who they traded like
Khalil Macphorn who they got, and the first Hunds like
most of them are not even on the team like
that right there, Hindsight would tell you like, you probably
want to keep Khalil Mack.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, I And and I think you know when I
used to again, because part of it is just programming.
I remember on TV, I'd be like, I'm going to
I catch myself. I'm always cheering on the teams that
did something because it gave me something to talk about.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now I did.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I did do the gag where I was Ted Thompson
doing a crossword puzzle every year. And one thing is
I will beat a gag into submission. I will, you know,
I will. I will stay with it over and over.
And also, my sons, you know, were huge Packer fans
growing up and still are.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah see we just you know they.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
They we my sons growing up were and still are
Packer fans. It was a Cal Aaron thing. And you
know they met Aaron when they were little, and you know,
so I would you know, and you know, fans are
the harshest critics so I would always.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Hear from them like, you know, we got to go
catch some people. So the ultimate hindsight twenty twenty there you.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Go, well, okay, so you are part of a team
and it is a business, and you are back from
your injury struggles. I believe at one point you missed
twenty two out of twenty three games and you came
back and you'rre appendix al those burst it's been a
I'm sure it's been an enjoyable run there and now yeah,

(29:28):
and now I see that you know, they did the
contract restructure to free up cap space so people like
me will be happy, so they could do more. And
then I saw, okay, as cap numbers forty million next season,
they could cut him and get out of twenty one
point five million cap dollars next year. So people are

(29:51):
already talking about you not being on the team in
twenty four.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Then after you said.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
They, people were kind of like, well, maybe he's trying
to get traded to the Jets or he's part of that.
How do you view all of that? And your foreseeable feature.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
In Great Bay one just noise? I mean again, I
love hearing the perspectives. I think they're very fun, very entertaining.
At the end of the day, it's like genuinely how
I feel, and generally how the packers, how the packers feel,
and how I mean. Obviously Goody is the one who's
making the team where I fit and at what price

(30:25):
point and what cap hit I think, you know, again
now playing the business side of it, So buckle up,
people who are still holding their emotions for this part.
The fourth year of most deals are always up in
the air. They're usually never really guaranteed. It's pretty much
if you sign a three year deal, it's pretty much
first two years or a year and a half. If

(30:46):
you sign a four year deal, it's usually two and
a half to three years. You sign a five year
deal's probably usually three and a half four years, and
that fifth year is pretty much up in the air.
And by the restructures that we've done collectively, the packers
and I pretty much put ourselves in a predicament where
it's going to be either cutting me or extending me.

(31:06):
So that's going to be mutually decided upon, not today,
not sometime in the near future. I think it's going
to come down to And if I had to guess
as we play throughout the season again where I fit
moving forward, and then also on my end, like where
I want to be in my career, in my life
moving forward. So those are the two. Again, I'm not
saying I'm not alluding to anything. Those are just purely

(31:28):
the facts about what can be had on both sides,
and then let it all play out again. There could
be a curve ball of like a trade. I have
no idea when it comes to that. That's kind of
above my pay grade of understanding. I've been around the
block long enough to know I'm like I'm I know
for pretty darn certain it's going to be they're either
cutting me after this year or they're going to be
extending me, because there's no.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Way I'm living on that cap hit.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
And if they end up throwing an option three, I
mean I would be shocked, and I'd just sit here
and be like I was wrong. I have no problem
admitting that I was wrong. But that's how I look
at the situation moving forward in next year.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
You tell me if that's a fair assessment. I think
so less.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know, I guess you could decide to retire too,
which if I'm a player, I'm thinking about that every
at the end of every season anyway, And I don't
think people. I don't think people understand that when I
just think, even as a journalist, going through an NFL
season can be so consuming and insane and for a
player physically, I can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
So I think a lot of players are like.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Let me get through this season, get to a beach,
be with the people I love, and then you know,
take a breath.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
I think that's a very fair thing to say, and
very in tune emotionally with how players do think. I
think the older I've gotten, the more I think and
this isn't alluding to me retiring, but the older I've gotten,
the more I've definitely thought of the idea of retiring.
But I mean, right now, based on how I feel like,
I don't. I want to play longer definitely than I

(32:56):
did last year right now, and I want to play
longer they definitely did two years ago. I think, like
a big injury definitely kind of scares you, but you know,
once you kind of get out of the weeds and
kind of see I'm like, oh, you know, I still
feel pretty good. I still got to like the young bucks,
and I'm kind of working out with them. I'm like,
that's really, that's.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It, that's all. You know. I still got this. I
still feel young at heart until they start calling.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Me like O G or like I start talking about players'
names and they kind of have no idea. There's old
footage and I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's me.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
It's crazy for me to think that I'm like the
old head walking around the building because I still feel
very youthful, still have a lot of fun. And then obviously,
you know, the the left knee really was the big thing.
Other than that, I mean, I'm still the kind of
the the young having fun and enjoy I enjoy the
the days and I enjoy that kind of the grind still.

(33:43):
So until I stop and joining, then that's that's where
for me. Uh, that's where that that'll really start seeping in.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Well, one of your buddies is older football eyes and
about to be traded and has a high cap number.
So there's my segue. You know, I think you said
what I believe, which is it's going to get done
with the Jets.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
We think.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Although you did broach that interesting scenario about the Packers
squatting on.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Them, I'm assuming that's that's the leverage that they have.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I'm assuming again I use the word they keep noticing
how I say that I'm not the one negotiating with this,
but I'm.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Assuming correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's is there any other type of leverage that I'm
not seeing that I'm assuming that they're like from their posturing,
because that's what I'm assuming why they're kind of still
where they are because if it wasn't and if they
were to say that pretty much have no leverages, deal
would have been done quite a while because they pretty
much take whatever they can get.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
But I'm assuming, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
And there's a cap trick that I think would level
it out to But yeah, and I think the Jets
leverage because I know I've talked to all.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
These humans unnamed humans.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
But the Jets leverage is, hey man, he already knows
Hackett's offense and he does a really I like ot
is anyway, so we're not that stressed about it. But
that's I specifically want to ask you that because you've
you've had Hackett, you've changed offenses when laflor At Hackett came,
you know, Aaron, And what is the real trigger point

(35:19):
in terms of when Aaron would get stressed about it
getting done just knowing that he knows that offense, but
he doesn't know his new teammates, but there's nothing to
stop him from working out with him on their own.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Is Aaron going to be able to.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just slip right into that system with his knowledge of
Hackett and his offense later if it comes down to it, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I think Answerinette what you said, which is Kenny slipping
offens He knows it inside.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
And out, no problem at all.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
He has a great relationship with Hackett, So yeah, I
don't think Aaron's pretty much sweating and probably even thinking
about that being an.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Issue at all.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
It's like me going to uh, I'm assuming like going
to playing for the Rams, and like McVeigh, McVeigh and
Matt have.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
The same offense, I would assume, and.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
What I've talked to you for certain places like most
of the same terminology, So there's not much of an
issue at all for me. Do like moving over to that,
So I would say nothing at all. Would kind of
really bother with that. And I'm also within me, you know,
I doesn't really really enjoy OTAs at this point in
his career. Again, I'm speaking for him, so I can't

(36:29):
wait for him to yell at me, telling me, don't
talk for me.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
You don't know how I think. I'm like, okay, buddy, sure,
I've been there. I've been there. It's so fun.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
But I mean, yeah, I like, I would I rather
be in my home with my family and friends, or
you know, go like I said, do phase one of
Daddy Daycare, where pretty much you just have to have
someone chaperone and watch you doing what you've already have
been doing.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So if I'm Aaron and I want to force the issue,
and I don't know how badly he does as we
just said, but if I did, I would show back
up at Daddy Daycare or whatever. I would immediately go
to the weight room and I'd be like, Hey, I
want to try something new. Can you put like Boctari
sized weights on each of these you know I I

(37:16):
don't know terminology, Yeah, squad rack, and I'm just gonna
go for it. And they'd be like, because it's one thing,
we're gonna sit on his contract and make you bleed.
But if he were too you know, hurt his back
doing that, then you're throwing a lot of cap dollars
and real dollars into a hole. So I don't know

(37:40):
if he would do that or if it would come
to that. I feel like it won't.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, I mean, like that's the ultimate pettiness. But yeah,
I haven't even thought about that yet.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I did think about it would be really funny if
he did show up, because you know, he's I'm assuming
this is now again, it was some assumption. I'm me
still on the team, So I think that would be hilarious.
But I don't. I don't think that's part of that.
I don't think that's his nature at all. But I
would get a good laugh at that, for sure. We're

(38:13):
in April right now, Like, yeah, football so far away,
so I love I love this seriousness of like day
one reporting and all the news around the NFL, because
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Pretty much is three sixty five and everyone you know.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I love it too, Like football is amazing, It's It's
given me a lot, and I absolutely love playing the game.
I just think it's so funny, like right now, I'm like, God,
football is so far away.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's time, and people lose the voluntary side of it.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean, I remember when I was at SI one
off season. I was doing a big Edger In James
feature and he and I we're pretty close, and he
goes come to Miami and it was Memorial Day weekend.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think we just he did.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I think he'd stop drinking because it was Memorial Day
or maybe that was his last weekend where he would
drink before the season. But he just would stay up
all night bowling and gambling. I mean, he was nuts.
So I was young, and we went hard, and he
tried to get me to go to cant Kun afterwards,
and I literally like, talk about it Irish goodbye. He goes,

(39:15):
it's like three in the morning. He goes be at
the airport by six, We're going to can't Coun. I
was like, sweet, let me go get my passport and
just went right to the airport and flew back to California.
I was like, now, try to stay married. And so anyway,
so I write this log edgrad James story. Well, it
turned out the weekend we'd spent together was a voluntary

(39:38):
mini camp in Indye and he of course was with me,
and so when by the time the story was get
ready to run, and it become a controversy because Bill
Polly and then the GM future Hall of Fame GM
and Peyton Manning the quarterback had both ripped him publicly,
which is odd, right, you know, a quarterback ripping a

(39:58):
player for missing a min up and Bill Pollian he's
kind of a grump, so not surprising. But my editor
called me and said, before we run this, you got
to call Egern and get a quote about him missing
this viticap and I go, okay, So I called him up.

(40:19):
I told him what was up? Long pause, and then
EJ goes man. I only went to college for two
and a half years, and even I know the meaning
of the word voluntary.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I'm like, thank you, Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
You know right, I mean so anyway, I think that's
his off season, that's what he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, fine, again, we have to own our reality
and own.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Also our decision making. Like if he's doing that, and
as long as he's taking care of it, that was
just his week off and he's taking care of his business,
he comes and plays get football, there shouldn't be an
issue at all. It's his off season to do what
he feels his knee, to put him in the best
frame of mind and physically for the season, which I
think is totally fine.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
And now he says, from gold teeth to gold jacket,
it worked out.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, So there, there we go.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
That's what I'm talking about. All right.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
So I last year, back in late February early March,
there was a lot of intrigue about Aaron Rodgers' future
and it was super charged and talk about the NFL
news cycle. Is he going to retire? Is he going
to keep playing? Is he going to try to go
to Denver where Hacket is? Is he going to try
to go to San Francisco? You know, so many scenarios

(41:37):
about what Aaron might do. And as it was all
playing out, I was at the Combine. You know, I
kind of was vaguely aware that you were getting ready
to get married, which is amazing, and that at this
wedding a lot of the people who were very, very
interested in this would be there the Combine. I don't

(42:01):
know if you've ever been other than as a player,
but it's it's a shit show. It's spring break for
coaches and talent evaluators their media. There we go all night,
a lot of drinking, a lot of disjointed conversations.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
At nobody's mad about that.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I actually am all for that, right, right, right, fun, right,
like whatever I.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Gets right and so and you know, a lot of
a lot of stuff being talked, but whatever. And so
one of the conversations I had had at the combine
somehow talked it was someone who's going to your wedding
and said, oh yeah, and yeah, well I'm going to
David's wedding and Aaron's gonna officiate it. And I was

(42:44):
just I kind of like forgot. It was just one
of those like oh cool. And then as I was
leaving Indy, I ended up in the same airport connecting
with somebody else who was also aware, I think of
the wedding and also said to be oh yeah, and
Erin's officiating it. And this is what it was like.

(43:04):
I think day of It must have been the day
I was flying back. So I was like kind of
you know, hugover from Days of eight. And I tried
to send a tweet and I haven't written down I'm
gonna read it, but I tried to send a tweet
that basically was kind of like, this is really awkward
and weird. This is how the NFL is, and it's
gonna this shows you how much is on the line

(43:27):
with Aaron. I did not know that there was any
Nobody had said to me it's a secret that Erin
is officiating it. So that was my first disadvantage, and
then my second disadvantage is it's just probably not a
good idea to get it to anyone else's most important
day of their life, and all that in retrospect. So

(43:48):
what I tweeted was today, Packer's left tackle David Buktiari
is getting married in California. So again, at least I
didn't say the location, but Aaron Rodgers is set to
a fiate it, Matt Lafleur will be there, Rogers is
likely to tell the Packers what he wants to do
by Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Timing is kind of wild, and you know, my.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Twitter is a shit show, people, So people started, People
started kind of banging on me, and I was like, okay,
typical fans who don't understand that, like David and I
are friends and I'm not like, you know, doing anything,
Like they're like, oh, come on, it's his wedding. And
I kind of blew it off, and I fell asleep
on the plane and I woke up and I kind

(44:30):
of saw some more of him and I'm like, haha,
and then I started tracing one of a back and
it was a tweet from you saying, Mike, what the
actual fuck? And I mean, I want to hear your version,
because for me, I was like, I was just truly mortified.
And my first thought is this guy is about to

(44:53):
get married and I just fucked up his wedding day
and that cannot be a good thing.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
So I want to hear your I want to hear
you take me through this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I just remember as we're getting ready, I believe we
were like in uh, I was all with my groomsmen,
We're getting ready, and I think someone like one of
my friends like told me that, like a reporter found
out and kind.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Of like like you.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Had sent that, and then a lot of more information
started coming out and I was kind of trying to
keep it, like, hey, last thing I need, and especially
in California, which is like TMZ Central is having everything blow.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
So that's where I was getting mad at. Sure.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
The second thing was this better not fuck up. How
my wife's gonna look at this wedding because I want
her this is supposed to be the most magical day
for her.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Mike is the reason why we like he sucked this up.
I'm gonna be so pissed at him.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
So yes, and the other part, I'm like, it's kind
of funny to have a little gag.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Let me make them sweat a little bit.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
I mean, like I was assuming most things are gonna
be fine. I just didn't like my biggest thing was
TMZ about like I think it might be pretty good.
Uh So then I remember just like I'll just go
on with everyone, just like because I was getting tagged
in it with you when you send it, cause everyone
say like freaking out, my fuck it, I'll throw a
little one. So I remember asking you with that. And
then I kind of like pulled your goat a little

(46:12):
bit when we talked on the phone and just wanted
to get and then you you shed it like light
to me on how your side of the profession works.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
And I again, I appreciated that, and I still hold
that to this day.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
But that's about uh it so uh not as serious,
I guess as like I tweeted it out. I'm kind
of more of a sarcastic, funnier guy at heart, at
least to myself. And uh no, and I'll ended up
working out really well.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I think some person up snagging like a photo.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Of Aaron and like the ceremony, but for the most part,
it didn't disrupt.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
We had a great time. So you can sleep easy now, Okay, good?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So yeah, so what so to to continue on my head?
I immediately texted you. You did text back, which I
just hated. I'm like, oh my god, this guy's getting
married and he's fucking having to text me. Like I
just hated it. But I also was freaking like mostly
because what you said, like I don't want your wife,
I don't want anyone having to deal with this, and

(47:15):
and you I just remember at one point You're like,
call me right now, and I was on a plane.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I'm like, luckily it was landing soup and I'm like, dude,
I'm dying. I'm like, actually I.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Could, So I get up. I get off the plane
in Sacramento. I'm like, try to get to an uber
and I'm just like, fuck, I gotta call him.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
So I ended up.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I think you called me and in the uber and
I'm like, I don't want to do this in an uber.
But and then yeah, you were very like you were great,
and I just you know, I could hear in your
voice that it didn't necessarily ruined your wedding day, and
I just kept being like, dude, go get married.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I'm sorry, and I you know, for me, I was
definitely pulling on your go it was it was, it
was fun and everything did work. I just again, we
I think I was like smoking a cigar with my
room's been hanging out, and I was like, because part
of me I did actually went on like how the
hell did like this get out like that? That was
like my main thing.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
And then and what you what you told me is
that which I didn't realize is you're like, how the
hell did you know? Aaron's officiating it? And again like
no one if someone had said to me, like dude,
it's kind of a secret, and Erin's efficiated, like of
course I'm not blowing like I'm not a spoiler alert,
it's your wedding whatever. But uh so I felt like, Okay,

(48:39):
the world thinks David's gonna kill me, which that's fine,
but like I don't think David's actually going to kill me.
And more more important, h I don't think it. You know,
you're like the boys that I are laughing. It's cool.
So I'm like, okay, I think that's going to be okay.
But okay, so that's a great prelude. Did you see
the Darren Waller her wedding stuff that came out of

(49:04):
this year's Combine, because it's this is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Okay, so photos of his wedding.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I don't know if any drama that came Okay, So
you're gonna love this because I've actually I'm an adaptive
person and I've actually learned. So this year at the Combine,
I'm having dinner with a coach who is close to
Darren Waller no longer coaches him, and he brings up

(49:29):
twice to me. Yeah, and I got to leave the
combine early because I'm going to Darren Waller's wedding And
I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
That's great. And I wasn't even really curious about it.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
He married Kelsey plub who's like a one of the
great athletes in America.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
So that ended up itself excites me. But again, as
a human as a journalist, I'm now like, I'm not
in the wedding business anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I already fucked him David's wedding potentially, so all my
instincts were or never say a word about this, but
it's cool to know, and that's someone else.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I think he brought it up again.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
When I saw it at a bar, but like I
totally knew and totally was like, I'm not messing with it,
So check out what happened. Josh McDaniels, in his media briefing,
has a breakout session with the Raider writers and ends
up saying something about Darren getting married, although I don't
think he was going one of the writers puts it out.

(50:29):
I think the Las Vegas paper writes it up like, hey,
Darren and Kelsey Plubber getting married this weekend, and they.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Didn't want anyone even knowing it was happening period.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I guess I think that's the main thing, is that
people that would come and like disrupt the day because
it's I would say, that's probably the only thing that
I was like focus on once I realized that from
a from an event perspective that it wasn't going to
be like tainted all, I'm like, okay, cool, but that
that I.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Can definitely say, and I'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Glad, hey I can be the help for your learning experience,
and that's that's about the person sides like all right,
like you know, the story is worth it, but like
this is also like their day.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yes, you saved me because here's the best, here's the
best part. I then there was talk so Darren gets
traded like pretty quick after that, which kind of sucks
because Kelsey plays in Vegas. And there was some talk
that some of the you know, tension between Darren and

(51:36):
the team or Darren at Josh is that Darren was
pissed and probably Kelsey was pissed that Josh leaked, probably inadvertently.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
The news of their wedding.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
But there was there's this one tweet I saw from
Kelsey that said like, yeah, probably because he wasn't invited,
and I'm like, ooh, like at least I didn't get
that one.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
That's spicy. That is spicy.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
All right, So we have we've left, we've left that
dark day behind.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
You are now happily married. You are a father.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Miami, which is the best, and so that's all awesome.
I'll tell one more story about me, since it's obviously
my favorite topic is to talk about myself, but it.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Does relate to you.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
So back in two thousand and one, I've been hearing.
So I have a brother in law who teaches at
Sarah High School, and I've been hearing for years. There
you go. So I've been hearing for years about Tom Brady.
Tommy Brady, this guy's really Oh he's a good player,
always playing at Michigan, kind of not really starting, but

(52:46):
he's playing.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Oh, he's at the NFL. He's a fourth Strigger.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
And I was kind of like, Mark Goyer is a
teacher with Sarah in San Mateo married to my or no,
I'm married to his sister, and which kind of gives
me the upper hand, I feel like in conversations, and
so he would always tell me but and I was like, hey,
I And then all of a sudden, I'm in Foxborough.

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They're getting ready to play in the AFC Championship Game
in two thousand and one, and I'm like, hey, Mark,
can you like tell Tom like you know, I need him?
So I'll never forget telling Tom, who was very young. Hey,
I'm Mike Silver Sports Illustrated, and my brother in law
is one of your former teachers. And he goes which one.
I go, Mark Oya, and he looks at me and

(53:32):
he goes, mister Goya is a great man, and I'm like, okay,
that seems a little thick to me.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Like he was young. It's like, mister, So now.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Fast forward about I don't know twelve thirteen years later,
I come up to you in the locker room at
Lambeau and I tell you, hey, I Mark Goy is
my brother. Alaw you just go Mark the Shark. Oh yeah,
And I didn't know the nick names, so that actually
was a great moment for me.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
No, Marko A big fan of him. He was, he
still is an amazing teacher. Had so much fun in
his classes. He made learning fun. He made like I.
So it's just I can't when I think about those
formative years and being in his class, there's only good memories.
So that's that's a good sign. That means you you

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taught the right way.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
He didn't like you know, he wasn't in a corporal
punishment like palling people.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
He made learning fun and then you know, when it's
time to be serious, we're gonna be serious.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
And then when it's time to have fun, you know
we're gonna have fun. He kept the vibes high. That's
for all the trendy kids. Let lend them understand what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
But you know, he's awesome and I got a lot
of respect for him and that I love that that connection,
and that's kind of how we kind of spurred kind
of our relationship when you told me that, is it.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
True that you part of your strength training as a
senior was to lift him and carry him around the classroom?

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Maybe in his memory now, no, But did I ever
pick him up in class? I probably I don't remember,
but I wouldn't put it past myself, given how I
was as a kid and that happening now. It might
have just been something that I didn't think anything of much.
But maybe he's like, Wow, I have this kid who's

(55:24):
carrying me right now in class, and then now he's
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
So obviously he didn't remember it better than me. But
I wouldn't put it past myself when I was in
high school.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
By the way, when I texted you the other day
from Nashville, I neglected to mention that my wife and
I were there with Mark the Shark and his wife
my sister in law on yeah, on a two night
you know bender Basically, oh yeah, And I gotta tell you, man,
like so I did a book with Rodman. I've been
trying to drink with big people like you unsuccessfully for decades.

(55:56):
I always make the same dumb ass mistake, like I'll
go beer for beer. Would with Mark though, and I
actually he is not bigger than me, but he's like
it's it's the same problem as like trying to drink
with like, you know, Joe Tavas, like Mark is, he's
a freaking nature dude.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
He put me down.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I learned about that once I was
in college. So once he actually showed me that side.
I'm like, dude, this guy, I was saying, Mark's amazing.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Big Okay, okay, so there you go. Yeah, I was
at very a slower Broadway. Establishment's just you know, you guys.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Are all thirty supper club at all on. Well, yeah,
we had dinner there the first time. Love.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
That's like one of my like I don't you know,
I don't really enjoy like going out like I used to.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
But that's like a very tasteful, live ye beautiful scene
going upstairs, like in. Their food is.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Really good too, So I was. I was a big fan.
And their cocktails are awesome.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, we did all of that we did all of
those things and then ended up at two season the stage.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah yeah, then then you have the more uh dressed down,
just have some fun.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, it was let loose.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
It was his first time there ever, so he had
to you know, we had to do all the things.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, perfect.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
No.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I love it out there. I'm a big fan.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Before you go, one thing I want to ask is
you're a proud Buffalo University of Colorado proud alum. You
were pretty vocal when a guy that I worked with
and covered, Dion Sanders, got the head coaching job, and
I know you're into it. Tell me what you know
what it's like to be a Buffalo right now?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
A lot of energy And I really think this is
no disrespect to the coach before him, because I thought,
you know, Coacharell was awesome. I love anyone that comes
from an NFL branch back down to college because the
more times than not, I do know what they're talking about,
and he is a respected coach.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
In the NFL.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I think anyone who's followed the Buffalo's they just know
like they had been so stale for solong and needed
that injection of just kind of the pizazz, the fame,
the clout and the attitude and again all this is great,
but they're still tied with everyone else in the PAC twelve.

(58:17):
No one's done anything yet. But so far, the momentum
that's building, the roster on paper that's showing is exciting,
especially from a fans perspective. And it's even more exciting
seeing you know, you know, the university reaching out and
wanting to put more things together, wanting to build more

(58:39):
of the outreach of alumni. I will say, like, I
hadn't noticed that in my past, that really wasn't there.
And to put an emphasis on it and to understand
how strong your alumnis are, especially the ones that do
make it out and into the NFL, it can be big.
I remember hearing stories of my buddies going back to
Howe State and hearing how they treat them.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I'm like, man, I remember I because I didn't have.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
The right credential like this is like in twenty sixteen,
twenty seventeen, I wasn't even allowed in a certain portion
during a football game. I'm like, and I'm not going
to go over there and be like you know who
I am. I'm just gonna be like, okay, like if
this is how it is, it's just crazy. They brought
red carpets for a couple of my buddies that played
on the offensive line for Ohouse State. So I'm excited

(59:21):
to see how everything looks. I'm excited to see how he, you.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Know, meet Dion.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Been a fan of him since he played. You know,
you know, I think these younger kids know him as
you know, coach coach Prime. But you know, I think
all of us remember him high stepping and all the
picks in the swagger. I mean, he was a dog.
Most today that you hear that are talked about, they're
literally the makeup or their profile is based off of

(59:52):
what his standard and what he said, from the bandanas
to everything, like.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
He was a stud.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
So I'm i from the little football fan in me,
I'm gonna be very excited to meet him. It's been
someone that I would love to meet and then just
kind of see see the guy. I see the players.
Of course, my respect to the offensive line. I can't
wait to go meet the the players there and kind
of give them any a little bit that I can,
and really just kind of see the university. I haven't
really been back last time I was there is pretty

(01:00:18):
much when I met my wife and then I haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Been back since.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Is your wife coming or is this a boys trip? No,
she she's actually got girls trip. So oh she's got
a got a bachret in uh in Nashville, So she's
gonna have that that fun time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
That sounds wholesome, that sounds super wholesome. Yeah, So no,
things are things are going really well. And again I'm
my college roommate. He's gonna be flying out as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
So me and Daniel h we got to get to
hang out again and kind of get to go to
the old stomping grounds.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be get time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
I'm excited to kind of see a couple of people
I know that are still working at the university when
I was there, and obviously meet the new faces. See
the new facility is you know, probably be like back
in my day. You know, we couldn't even get a
breakfast that was considered an extra benefit. You know, we
had to have a bagel, no cream cheese. It's absolutely insane.

(01:01:13):
What like if I were to tell some of these
kids and the stories of what even I had, they would
go they would have no concept or frame.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
They'd be like, that's impossible.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And then I'm saying this on my high horse compared
to the people back in the nineties on what they
would like. You know, if I were to talk to
Mason Cross me about you know what I got in college,
he goes, you got.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
That, yeah right, I'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
In the eighties when I got to Cal, you know,
there were no football dorms, so I had football players
living across from me and they're like, come on, we're
gonna go buy your books.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I'm like, what do you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
They're like, yeah, we get a book allowance, and we
have no money. We're like dirt poor, and you know,
we're from Texas, so are the only way we could
like afford to buy food, ever, is if we buy
your books with our book allow and say you just
give us the money. And I'm like, oh, yeah, of course,

(01:02:07):
like cool, but like, well the system, you know, and
then one guy blew honesty and it's great. It's just
a great deal.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
You know the story I want to tell you, So
I coming out of high school, I drove for an
unofficial visit to Cal watched their entire practice back when
Alex Mack was a senior and I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Remember there, so I drove for Ted for years. I
drove a step watched their practice. I think there was
like one or two, maybe two or three other guys
that might have been there, and pretty much got ignored
the entire time. At the very end, the guy just
handed me a card and like, hey, you know, we'll
see how you do. Good luck on your senior season,
and like we'll stay in contact with you. And I again,
I went out of my own way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
I was just would of love for any sort of attention,
so fast forward.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Obviously that never transpired.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I never ended up going to Cal, which probably, again
this is how insight, but there's a very high chance
that I would have went to Cal because I only
had like four offers. It was pretty much between Colorado
and Utah where my final two. If you're throwing Cal,
I'm like, well, school was super important to me. Education

(01:03:15):
and then also football, and then also you know being
a native like and my like little connection I have
with Cal through my family that went to school there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
So it's just funny. And then I remember seeing that
coach a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Later and he goes the worst decision we ever made
was to let you leave the university Secuty. I'm like,
and I sat there after they just beat us, They
beat the piss out of us on our home turf,
and but I was in there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I'm like that that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Kind of made me feel good and it kind of
sparked the whole like I think I am actually a
pretty good football player, because again I was on the
terrible teams in college. So that kind of like, Okay,
I'm this guy's kind of validing when I'm kind of
seeing but I'm not gonna I've never been the over boisterous,
you know, I'm not the dion of personalities when it
comes to my play, and I don't think offensive linemen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
You don't really too many of those.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
One of my favorite I have a lot of friends
to what to see you, but one of my favorites.
We're going to have him on open Mic, probably very
very soon. Eric b Enemy, who recently switched jobs because
apparently the rules that normally would apply for someone in

(01:04:22):
his position following Dug Peterson, Matt Nagge and in that
role have not applied to him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
And now I don't I don't get that. I don't
know if is that just headline new stuff or is
that like real? Is he really not getting any head coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
He's had a lot of interviews, but you know, no
one's no one's done it. And so now the idea
I think for him and for you know, I know
Ron Rivera was selling him on this, but the idea was,
look there, you're in andy shadow, so let's bring you
out and let you run an offense for a different

(01:04:58):
head coach and in this case a de offensive guy rob.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
So now the offense really shows.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
From yeah, which which Doug Peterson didn't have to do
and Matt Neggy did enough to do and they got
head coaching jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
So it again, once you get the information that doesn't
look good, right, I got all the I'm ebe was one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
He was my offensive coordinator back in college.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yeah, so yeah, that's why. And so you tell me
he's had such a cool career. I covered as a player,
and you know, I really enjoyed talking football with him.
What kind of guy is he? And what how would
you expect him to be as an NFL head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
He's a man's man. He's a leader of men.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
And again this is not me trying to like sell
and jump in on any sort of like trend in
fun stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
This is just real talk. That dude is a fucking dude.
He is a man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
He will walk up to whoever, whenever and curse and
sorry for the language, you can believe me, you will
curse you the fuck out. He don't care who you are.
It is about what is right. And that's what I
love so much about him. And like I, there was
guys who ran away from him, and there's guys who
ran towards them, and the guys ran towards them were
the strong and the guys who ran away from more

(01:06:06):
the week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And he's he's a no bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
He's just gonna call it out is if he's if
it's right and it's rational, and it's just he's gonna
give you that, and if it's not, he's just gonna
he's and you're gonna know why too. But I again
that that actually kind of baffles me. Like I thought
there was a different reason, and I haven't really looked
too much into it. I just I just thought it
kind of only keep winning super Bowls, you know, being

(01:06:31):
in the spot. And then when I saw that switch,
I'm like, well, I guess I don't know. There was
when the head coaching job. Maybe he just kind of
got bored one to start a new project.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
But he's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I loved when he coached me, and he coaches you hard,
but he also rewards you even.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Harder, and I think that's that's the uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I was a huge fan of. I mean, I can't
say enough good words. Okay, good, that's good to hear.
And you know, I think he'll I think he'll have
a chance to show some people some cool stuff. I
like already in a head coaching job already, So the
fact that he has, I'm like, like, could you be mad? Sure,
but like it's inevitable at this point, Like I if

(01:07:11):
I'm betting in Vegas again here we're using the Vegas ods,
I am betting that he's going to be a head
coach in the next like three years, like he has
to be. He's he's not like forcibly needs to be,
but like he he is a head coach period.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Isn't it weird that like five years ago, you saying
on a podcast if I'm betting in Vegas would have
been like, oh my investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
That's just that's the vernacular I use. It's just an
analogy of like, oh, it's cool now. Now it's now,
it's fine to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Five years ago, I probably would have said it too,
Like that's just kind of like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Five years ago they told Tony Romo, if you go
to this fantasy football convention that's being held in Vegas,
all sorts of horrible ramifications will happen to you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
And now they're like, go Raiders and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, yeah, draft, I have forty more questions for you.
I cannot I've already ruined your wedding. I don't want it,
so to speak. I don't want to have you have
your wife math that I took. You're all okay, I
cannot let you go until we just do a quick
lasso like. Look, so I grew up with someone whose

(01:08:27):
son worked on the first.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Season of Ted Lasso.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
So even if I wanted to criticize it back then,
I couldn't, and I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I just I couldn't believe, like, is it a rule
on Twitter that you have to love this show like
it's the greatest thing that's ever happened.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
I that I I think that's a great way to
describe it. I don't understand why there's no like slander
against it. It's just only good. It's like it's so
culty and I agree again, I watched the show. I'm
looking forward to seeing the next episode. It's just it's
a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Period. Yeah, it's good. It like does it get the
job done?

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
It does, but like for the way people talk about
it and the pub surrounding it and the like all
this noise, I'm like, am I the one, Like I'm
looking around like it's not that good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
And I'm totally different than my brother.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
My brother has a believe uh sticker on the back
of his phone and he's he's even like, dude, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Just a hater.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
B I'm like, no, I'm not really like I'm just
I'm just I'm my You were all watching the same thing,
right it. I totally like I said, it's a feel
good show. Like it has great like values and I
love kind of like the underlying tones of like what
Ted is like showing and displaying for like what you
know about like you know, from the mental health side
to the you know, always be authentically yourself to you know,

(01:09:55):
love that neighbor no matter what, and Okay, you can
go on and on with all that. But I'm like,
it's again, it's a C plus, it's it's it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
It gets the job done. And again the job not
college is sees. So there it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
A couple of omelet burners for Donald Penn and the
Raiders back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Yeah, it's fine, a little a little extra more topic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I'll give it that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I don't think it's as bad as bad, but yeah,
I mean again, it's not you know, we're not talking
about you know, the five star Ultimate buffet, anything you
can have, and it's you know, you got you know,
a potential Michelin start talking about, you know, deeming this
the best breakfast, Like no, is that absolutely not No.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
That would be breaking bad or something. For example, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
There are so many like Garage that was an amazing
no matter what, Like there are so many other shows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
My daughters started a job a while back as an
agent's assistant down in at one of the major agencies
in LA and I was trying to preper for so
of course, I you know, up someage and literally the
first two clips of Lloyd that I showed her in
one Ari says Lloyd I'm gonna chop you up like

(01:11:09):
Betty Han. I'm like, whoa, And then he made a
you know, beat you over ahead with a strap on
joke In the second I'm like, I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Think Ari Ari made like may.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Be my favorite character.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
And the dynamic between Ari and Lloyd Like Lloyd is amazing,
like amazingly the character, but the actor playing him did
such a phenomenal job, Like I just again, that's amazing
and a good one. I will say this because I
do want this to be on record, which I don't
think made it on. Buston was fleeback my wife should show?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
So that made it on? That made it on? I
just watched it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, I hey, samone, I haven't really listened to the
whole thing. I kind of once I had enough people,
people that I could out within my circle that are
actually complaining to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I'm like, Okay, what did I actually say? Let me
make sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I I was like, no, I meant everything I did say,
and you you must have take the sound clips or
you're freaking out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
There was because if you listen through it, that is.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
All fair, right, just but uh yeah, Fleeback phenomenal, like
and I can't even tell you that I've heard you
should I would totally like, I would totally co sign it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
It's a really good show. The acting is really good,
the storyline is good. Like that, I'll put that over
to last. So no problem again. Now Fleeback season two, like,
let me see it, and if it has a little
drop then it could be okay. Now it could be
potentially be in the ballpark for each other. And if
they have a bad season three, I believe only with
the one season. Yeah, if they have bad seasonree, then
I can be like, Okay, maybe they're the same.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I ripped Forrest Gump on National TV. I was like,
it's the most overrated movie I've ever seen. I don't
know if you've seen it, it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Might be well, definitely seen it, and yeah, I'm okay,
Like I think kind of your opinion, like you know,
Forrest Gump, like who can make like who can hate
Forrest Gump?

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Like the movie that's again? Is it like the best
movie ever?

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
No? But like I totally see how people would like
be like, uh, I take it personal in the fact
that you would be like you didn't like Force Number,
How dare you say?

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
It's not that always?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
It always goes well on Twitter, like, someone was like, well,
did you at least you know you had everyone cried
when Jenny died. I was like, I was so happy
when Jenny died. Here's so I want to read you this.
This is the best one. I'll leave you with this.
So Treck Crim, Okay, now this revealing a source.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
I love this part because this must at home for
you from like prof.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
I love you. Okay, So snitches get stitches, and also
like reporters have got to jail to not reveal a source,
and I would go to jail, and let's be honest,
I don't think I do real well in jail. I mean,
I mean, you know, I don't feel like that would
go well for me. But I would also have to
go to jail rather than reveal a source. So Treck

(01:13:56):
Krim decides he's just going to tell Ted Lasso, Hey,
Nate was my source.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
And I just.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Wanted to underscore how mad I was that that happened,
and I said he should be castrated. Somebody on Twitter
said that's the wrong take, and I said, yeah, you're right.
Execution and I got this. I got this tweet. Wow,

(01:14:23):
it honestly took me more than a minute. To process
that you consider an ethics violation to be worthy of
the same punishment as murder. You are a talented reporter
and I parentheses used to respect you a lot, but
you really need to step back on this. Less said
man calling for the execution of a fictional character. I

(01:14:44):
will die on that hill. I believe Trek Crib should
be executed. I'll still watch the show he's on there.
But yeah, I mean, because you know how it is,
what a if like a football player did something that
was that like to a bad stereotype of football players,
you'd be very Yeah, you'd be very, very very angry,

(01:15:07):
even if it were fictional.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Yeah, I mean blackball d V shape points like it's
like I don't even know because what goes into it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
And to have someone actually do that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
And then find out I would Yeah, that wouldn't go
on in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
I'll just put it like that. Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
And again, for you, you are professional in your profession,
you respect to the highest degree and hold it to that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
So yeah, of course, And again I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Assuming that person probably isn't a journalist, probably is in
your profession, so it doesn't see it as that big
of a deal. Now, we're talking about apples and oranges.
So you know, I'm sure if you were to go
and talk to everyone else in your profession and have
that same sentiment, they'd be like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Uh duh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
But that's again, that's why I love and at the
end of the day, that's why I fucking love Twitter
because it's great. Like I sometimes love just going on there,
sending a tweet and then getting off for us today
and then magne to see the chaos and be like, yeah,
that's good and that's healthy, and I think that's great.
And sometimes it's even like more fun just to like

(01:16:09):
play Kate and just argue with someone even though like
is it really charging me? No, but like seeing them
probably actually getting charge, Like that's like the best of
my God, this is like you really is this really?
Like you're what your day is about? This is fantastic.
So I love the open space, the open form. Just
to be able to commune. I think it's been awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yeah, I could see how for players like to be
able to directly communicate it. Yeah, I mean there are
times where I've enjoyed it. There are times which we've
referenced towards been less enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Being a journalist at all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Just just when I thought I rude your wedding, but
like I actually I got so much joy out of
seeing that Kelsey Plumb tweet clouding Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
I like, ah, that wasn't me. This year much better.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
You are the man. Daddy daycare awaits you soon. You
must go back and yeah, go to the Is it
called the squat bar, the squat bit, Yeah, squat rack.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Go abuse that squat rack and I'll see you when
it gets closer to actual football.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Big play. Yeah, I appreciate it, and it's good to
see you too. Thanks, brother, Appreciate you

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