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November 11, 2024 17 mins

On this episode of Our American Stories, Mike Leven was President and Chief Operating Officer of Las Vegas Sands Corp. One of the great hoteliers of all time—a legend in his business. He is also what you would call a “wise man.” Here’s Mike with a story about what he learned from an uncaring college law professor.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Lee Habib and this is our American Stories,
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American Stories dot com with some of our favor Mike
Levin was President and Chief operating officer of Las Vegas
Sands Corporation, one of the great hoteliers of all time,

(00:33):
a legend in his business. He also happens to be
a friend who almost every time I talk to him,
I learned something about him, myself and life. He's what
you would call a wise man, and we need more
wisdom in this country, and we love bringing wisdom to
this show. Up next is the story Mike tells about

(00:54):
his time in law school. Mike had graduated from Tufts.
He's a Boston guy, a diehard Patriots fan. Will forgive
him for that. And in the end, this is a
story about empathy and about life. And he's a businessman
talking about empathy, and ordinarily you wouldn't think that would happen.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Let's hear my in his story, TuS was a really
great experience and prepared me to go to law school.
So I applied to law school and I took the elsats,
and I'm never a great test taker, but I scored
in those years seventy five or seventy eight percent or
something like that. So I decided I'd applied to all
the best law schools except have It and Yale. So

(01:36):
I applied to a Columbia, I applied to Stanford, I
applied to Michigan. I applied to NYU and the University
of Chicago, which at that time, those were the highest
rate of schools. I got into all of those schools
in law school, and even with my ELSAT test it
little easier then, and I got a scholarship to the

(01:58):
University of Chicago, UH, because they were they were trying
to recruit from the East Coast, and Tufts had the
right to pick a students who was getting in to
take the scholarship. So I got a scholarship, and I
did get into Columbia. But how fate works, I was
supposed to go to Columbia with a good friend of
mine from Toft's, a guy named Robert Field, and he

(02:18):
uh his father had a law firm, was partners of
law firm in New York City, and he said, go
to law school with me and then we can work
and the firm together. I said, oh gee, that's a
ready made job. M I said, great, we'll go to
school together. Well, he didn't get into Columbia and I did,
so I decided not to go to Columbia and take
the scholarship and go to Chicago. So that changed my
life too, and I I worked my butt off in Chicago.

(02:43):
I was lonely. It was the first time, other than
other than summer camp, that I was away from home
that far. But I I really put my nose to
the grindstone. I took my my Latin school study habits
into law school. We had five courses. In the first
it was a trimester. We took the exams. I went
home for Christmas, and when I got back, I got

(03:04):
my marks and I did very well on four of
the courses, and on one course I got a forty one.
It was a contracts course. And uh, of all the
courses to get a forty one on you would think
that no one in the world and contracts could possibly
get a lousy mark in contracts. I mean, it's really
a relatively simplistic course compared at the criminal law and

(03:28):
real estate and a few of the other things I
was taking. Anyway, the professor of the course was a
guy named Malcolm Sharp. All I knew about Malcolm Shark.
It was his book that we were using, and uh
that he had been one of the criminal lawyers defending
the Rosenberg trial with the two spies that were eventually

(03:49):
executed for treason in the United States. So he was
a pretty famous guy. And he started the class and
he said, if anybody had any questions about their exam,
please come and see me. Well, I'm now this had
been this was nineteen fifty nine, nineteen sixty, I'm now

(04:10):
twenty one or twenty two. And uh, I'd never talked
to a teacher ever. I never went about a mark.
You know, teachers were authority figures. I mean we I
grew up with teachers and policemen and firemen and like
a rabbi or a priest or anybody else, I mean
authority figures. You know, Yes, sir, yes, sir, I mean
that's the way I was taught. And so I said, well,

(04:33):
I guess I'd better go see this guy, cause I
think I'm gonna flunk. So I went to see Malcolm
Shop and I'm terrified. I go in and I and
he said, well, why are you here eleven? And I said,
I'm here because I don't understand why I got a
forty one. And he said to me, I'll never forget it.

(04:54):
He said to me, you don't understand contracts. And I
don't think he ever will. And I left and I
went back to my room. I got my books. I
went to the bookstore. I sold my books back to
the bookstore. My roommate was a guy named Richard Bogozi
and who went the toughs with me, A terrific guy

(05:15):
for me. Became an ambassador to Nigeria. He was in
foreign service and wonderful guy. I said, I'm leaving. I'm
getting in my car. I had a fifty nine Bolkswagon
that I m I got for graduation. It was fifteen
hundred and sixty five dollars and uh uh. I was
gonna get my car, pack up and go home. And

(05:39):
so he said, don't go, don't go. I said, no,
I'm going. I sold my books. Next thing you know,
I got a call from the Dean, Edmund Levy. We
came eventually the attorney generally the United States. He said,
I'd like to see her. I went to see him.
I told him the story. He said, please don't go.
He said, you finished the year. You're gonna be fine.

(06:00):
Don't worry about it. You'll I mean he knew the
contract of all the courses. The contract was probably not
that you know. I mean, you don't have to be
a genius to pass a contract course. I mean the
way they did it in those days. So I, I, uh,
I said, no, I'm going. I wrote a letter to
my parents so the letter would arrive before I got there.

(06:22):
But this is an interesting story because if I could
redo it, I would have finished the first year. I
think it was a bad decision on my part. It
was an emotional It was just so difficult to think
that I could, I could get such a lousey mark.
So I I. I drove home. It was about a
nineteen hour drive at the time. I had to sing

(06:44):
on the way home in the car to keep myself
from falling asleep.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I got home.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I had no idea what my parents were gonna say.
I was the first graduate student person, you know, to
get a professional degree. You know, you can imagine for
what that means to Christ generation Americans and what have you?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
And when we come back. More of what happens next
as Mike returns to his family, no diploma in hand.
Mike Levin's story continues here on Our American Story Folks,

(07:31):
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(07:52):
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(08:13):
he had just quit the University of Chicago because he
got a wickedly bad grade from a very tough and
in the end mean contracts professor, saying and speaking over
somebody that they'll never do better. It's just ugly, it's
just mean. Mike's returning home. Let's listen to what happens next.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
So I walked up the door and the door was open.
My father was standing at the door and he said
welcome home. And after a tearful greeting, when we had
dinner that night, they said to me, what are you
going to do? And I said, well, I said, Boston

(08:56):
University's down the street. Let me take a look at
some graduate programs. Be able to get a degree in something,
and uh, and that's how everything else started. As I
went to Boston University, got into a masses and public
relations and communications and was a year on program with
a thesis. And I had a lot of time on

(09:16):
my hands. I had been a camp counselor over the summers,
and a director of athletics and assistant head counselor. I've
had some administrative jobs and whatever. And there was a
part time job posted and I thought I could make
some money and pay as I was going and uh,
it was at the Morgan Memorial Home for Boys, and
it was sort of like an assistant social worker said, well,

(09:37):
I had to be close to being a counselor a camp,
you know, the same kind of thing. And I went
down there and uh, I get greeted by a guy
whose name was John Mooreland. He was about six or five,
must have gone two fifty found that he as a
former football player for Grambling at All Black College, and

(10:00):
and he was a PhD and in the social work.
Took my resume. You know, he talked to me. He said, okay,
I'm gonna give you the job. And he said to me,
you never worked for a black guy, have you said?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I didn't make any difference to me. I didn't care anyway.
I had a nice experience there for the year. And
at the end of the year, doctor Morland Uh calls
me in the office and I said, look, I'm gonna
be looking for a job. He said, I'll tell you what.
He said, I'll hire you here. Why don't you become
permanent And he said, I'll pay for you to get

(10:38):
a master's degree in social work. I said, I need
to make more money. I'm getting married in May, and
I don't know if I could afford to be married
Uh in this situation. So I said, will you write
me a letter of recommendation? And he said sure, And
I saved the letter. I could read it to you. Yeah,

(10:59):
and it says, to whom we may concern, it gives
me a great deal of pleasure to recommend to you.
Michael A. Levin The young man came to work with
us about a year ago, and during this period has
contributed a great deal to the efficiency of our unit. However,
there are several intangibles beyond efficiency which have accrued to
us in consequence of his presidence. He is jovial, personable

(11:23):
and intelligent fellow. He has been found to be circumspect
and is dealing with all members of the organization. He
has made up for lack of experience by initiative, desire
and in short heart and thoughtful work. He put his
heart into his job at all times. Mister Levin will
be an asset to anyone, whether in an employment or
a social situation. Lastly, I can only say mister Levin's

(11:46):
present will be very much missed. This young man has
an excellent future in store for him. His executive potential
is paramount. Thank you, sincerely, yours, JB. Morland. To this day,
every time I look at that letter, I I I
I don't understand how he possibly could have known in

(12:08):
one year, with the exposure I had working thirty hours
a week, that that description of me could be written.
I I I I don't I I I don't don't
ever remember being jovial. I don't remember. I know I
I you know, I know I worked hard. I know
I read all the files I know about I leer.

(12:28):
I wanted to learn about the kids that were in
the home, so I kept pulling the files out and
understand they were fifteen or so resident kids. And I
remember that one was a descendant of Ulysses S. Grant,
the President of the United States family, and and they
were troubled kids, and that his his parents were all military,

(12:50):
and they made him sit at attention at the table
when he was one or two years old. It was
in the It was stuck in my head. And and
there it was a very race mixed group. Uh, no
one cared. I mean it was very integrated. And and uh,

(13:10):
the ability to be able to project yourself into the
into the into someone else's position and emphasize with them.
Like I talk a lot about when you have to
terminate somebody, and about terminations and firing. It's the most
hideous thing you have to do unless the person is
a thief or a rapist or something like that. But

(13:32):
for the lack of being able to perform the job.
I mean, I would put myself in a situation of
thinking about what do you think it feels like when
somebody tells you you can't perform anything? And I think
that the experience with Malcolm Shop was really one that
that always stayed with me. How could the guy do
that to me when all he had to do was

(13:55):
to say, mister Levin, let me, let me explain to
you how you could have done from a forty one
to a sixty one. I want to help you. My
whole life would have changed on that page. No, I
don't think I know it'll change favorably or not, but
it would have changed. So when you have when you're
in a position, an authoritative position, your responsibility with people

(14:19):
and customers has to be how do you help them?
Not how do you hurt them? And I and I
and I. You know, you know something. I don't think
it's any different with your children. When you bring up
your children. I mean, nobody has experience being a parent
un as their parent. You get, you know, you're learning

(14:42):
from day one. What's the difference between a child and
your employee. What's the difference between a child and your customer.
It's the same thing. It's being able to say. Can
you project yourself into what it feels like. So when
I began to develop a a termination technique to say, look,

(15:03):
I made a mistake, and the person looks at me
and saying eah, I said, I don't think the job fits.
I should have thought better. I want to take some responsibility,
but you have to go. And how was that difference
saying you failed, You're out. I'm disappointed in your performance.

(15:30):
And I you know, when I was a high school
basketball player, and I was a pretty good player. In
the state tournament, I played thirty seconds, the last thirty seconds,
I wasn't on the floor or last minute or so.
He just put me in. My parents are at the
game because I was a sixth man basically. So the

(15:56):
next season was an alumni game and I came back
from Tufts where I was playing some freshion basketball and
I had improved a lot. I scored twenty two points
in the alumni game and the coach came over to
me afterwards. He said, Mike, he said, where were you
last year? I took my finger and I pointed to

(16:21):
the corner of the bench. I was there, you know.
He said, Oh, so I think after all I said,
and done with all this, we could walk through job.
After the job after job. But you know, and I know,
people don't change. They are who they are. And many
years later, you know, I ran into a guy from

(16:42):
a professor of law school at Duke was on a
board with me, and he happened to know who Malcolm
Shop was, and he said, oh, I can understand it.
He'd behaved that way with everybody.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
And you've been listening to Mike Levin and now you
know why we tell you he's one of the wise men.
I like bringing voices from every walk of life here
on this show. Mike obviously running the Las Vegas Sands,
no small feet, helping move and create holiday in worldwide,
one of the great hoteliers. But in the end, it's

(17:14):
his human nature and his humanity that always comes to
the fore. Talk to anybody about Mike, they'll tell you.
And by the way, if you have a leader in
your community, somebody in the business world, a church leader wherever,
an education person. My dad was a great leader at
a school system where he was a superintendent for twenty years,
we'd love to hear their voice bring wisdom across the

(17:35):
airwaves and love and Mike epitomizes both words. Mike Levin's
storytelling his wisdom here on our American stores.
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