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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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math major turned lawyer turned president. Let's get into the story.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
James K.
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Polk is probably the greatest president Americans have never heard of.
Here's Rachel halvering at the James K. Polk home in Columbia,
Tennessee with his story.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Polk is very forget at least in a personal sense.
He's not very fun and he's not very scandalous in
the way that Jackson is. Jackson really kind of sucks
all the air out of Tennessee politics. But Polk really
doesn't get enough credit because he's absolutely the most effective
one term president. Most people are shocked to learn that
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Polk adds more territory than the Louisiana purchase during his presidency.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Polk is unmatched.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Dancy Polk is born November two of seventeen ninety five,
and he's born in Meckleburg County, North Carolina. He is
not baptized as a child because you had to have
a confession of faith from both parents, which is very
shocking to you know. His mom, Jane, is related to
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John Knox, so she is like the Presbyterian and is
very devout, and it's interesting that she and up with
his father because he's a deis. You certainly see that
Jane influences Polk's religious kind of outlook, though he also
would consider himself I think adis for a lot of
his life. I think one thing to underscore about Polk's
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early life is that he's very sick, stuck in the house,
not able to travel much, not able to do a
lot of physical things. And he finally has surgery for
gallstones or bladderstones when he's about sixty or seventeen. And
that's this really terrible account of surgery where he's given
brandy and they cut through his pelvic floor to remove
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these stones. So you have to imagine that he's traumatized
by that. But after that his health does seem to improve.
His dad's a Justice of the Peace, and he's pretty
prominent resident here in Columbia. He builds the first two
story brick residence in town. He's fairly wealthy. He's a
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land surveyor, owns tons of land. So that's how the
Polks are able to acquire Middle Tennessee and West Tennessee land.
And what's so interesting about Polk is that he doesn't
he's not well traveled. He's very isolated in this kind
of eastern seaboard of the United States. But that does
not stop him from having this huge vision of what
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America should be. He adds all this territory that he
never even sees, and so it's interesting that he so
strongly believes in the idea of America as this kind
of power that stretches from sea to shining sea.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
But he never goes there. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I always describe Polk as the hand of Jackson. Almost
his entire political career, even into his own presidency, is
just kind of finishing what Jackson started. Tennessee for wealthy
white men at the time was not a big pool,
you know, it wasn't a big state. There weren't that
many and so they're kind of all in each other's
spheres of influence. At the time, James's father was accruing
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wealth and gaining prominence as James is growing up, so
we assume that he and Jackson knew each other.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Jackson's a very interesting character.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
You can see why people admired him at the time
and even today. He is like the self made man, right.
He's orphaned at a really young age. One of his
brothers dies in the Revolutionary War. One of them and
I think his mother both died from smallpox.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
And we think that Jackson probably had quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Of scarring from smallpox himself, that he had painters kind
of edded out of his paintings. He's fighting duels, he
kills somebody in a duel, and you know, he doesn't
have support. He moves himself up the ladder, as it were.
What really makes Jackson a national figure is the War
of eighteen twelve and the Battle of New Orleans, and
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that's when he brings a bunch of Tennessee ins down
to Orleans. He wins the battle and it's unbelievably decisive
against the British, and he loses very few soldiers and
it's just incredible. But he really gets the love of
Tennesseeans then, because he takes care of his men, really
making sure that they all get there and get home,
and so he really gets the name of like this
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common man politician during that time, and the people that
serve with him helped perpetuate this ethos of like, oh man,
Andrew Jackson is for us, and that's how he's catapulted
to national politics. And as James Polk is moving up,
I think that Jackson genuinely sees that Polk is going
to be a star. You know, for all that we
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say Polk is cold and he's not effective, he is.
We shouldn't under sell him either, Jackson. You know, in
eighteen twenty four, he runs and he wins the popular vote,
and no one has enough electoral votes, so it goes
to the House of Representatives and John Quincy Adams is
kind of so connected that he's able to sway the
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House to basically make him president. People are outraged because
Jackson actually has the support of the people, as they
see it, and instead they get an elite. He's only
elected because his father is a president. Jackson is so
in control of Tennessee politics at that time, even though
he loses the.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Bid for the White House.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
His mark of approval is what is needed. That's probably
the very biggest thing that Polk has going for him
to make it into Congress. Interestingly, Polk's first speech in
Congress in eighteen twenty four, even though he doesn't really
believe it because you see him reverse it later, but
he gives a speech to abolish the electoral college because
of what happens to Jackson's first.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Bid for president.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So you can see kind of how unwavering polk support is.
Even when Jackson has lost the presidency. His first speech
is to talk about kind of undoing that.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
And you're listening to the story of a president you
don't know but should. And that's why we love telling
these stories because no one else will. The story of
James Polk the story of manifest destiny.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And you've heard those.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Two words bandied about in some high school history class
years and decades ago. When we come back more of
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Polk.
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When we last left off, Rachel Helvering of the James K.
Polk Home in Columbia, Tennessee, was telling us about his
early life. James was sickly couldn't get out of the
house much, but was exposed to the concept of the
West by his father. He was also exposed to Andrew Jackson,
a man who saw the potential in James and took
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him under his wing, supporting him politically. James would eventually
become Speaker of the House, but was soon recalled back
to Tennessee to run for governor, something he didn't want
to do.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Let's return to the story.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
This must have been the lowest point of Polk's career
because he's in Washington. Sarah Polk is with him. You know,
they never have kids. She's up there living a great life.
They wrint extra rooms and she's hosting parties, and he's
moving his way up in national politics. But Tennessee is
slowly slipping and Jackson no longer has control and the
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Whig Party has gained all this momentum, and so Jackson
asks Polk to come back and run on the Democratic
ticket to basically help shore up Tennessee support. And he does,
and I think he only does because Jackson asked him to.
And he does win the first time, and you get
the sense from his letters that he in no way
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is loving this run. You know, he and Sarah are corresponding.
She's basically his campaign manager, and you get this inci
he's doing it out of obligation and not because he
really wants to be the governor of Tennessee. And he's
not successful because he is elected for one term, but
he loses. He runs two more times, and he loses
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both times to lean Jimmy Jones, a very talented orator
and kind of comic contrast to James K.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Polk because he's everything James K. Polk is not.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
He's kind of glib, and James even make statements about
basically like I'm the serious politician and the one that
understands what needs to be done, and he's not getting
elected to people aren't seeing that he, in his mind,
should be elected to these offices.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
We don't know exactly when Sarah and James met.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
She was one of the rare women at the time
that was given a very good education by her father.
There's not a lot that we know about kind of
their courtship. We do know that Jackson very much liked
Sarah and kind of pushed Polk towards her, and we
don't really know if it was a love match. There
is a quote that is kind of an oral tradition
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that Sarah Childress said she would only marry Polk if
he went on to serve in Congress, which he does
in eighteen twenty five. So I think that Sarah was
probably pretty ambitious too, and she recognized that Polk was
is a rising star, that he was very smart, but
she's very calculated. She's very politically savvy. Polk doesn't like
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to really get into a lot of the politics in
a non professional way. You know, he doesn't want to
try and court members of Congress over dinners at the
White House, and Sarah does that, and she organizes it
at all, so she knows kind of what is needed
to give him authority and respect, and she goes about it.
One of the things that Sarah Polk helps establish, she
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doesn't establish it, but she helps establish Hail to the
Chief being played when the president comes in, because she
feels like Polk comes into parties and people don't know
that he's there because he doesn't really care to make
an entrance. So she starts having that played every single time,
which is important. It shows her devotion to Polk's political career.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
But before Sarah could popularize the playing of Hail to
the Chief for her introverted husband, he had to be nominated,
unlikely for someone who had just lost two elections in
his home state, the home state of Andrew Jackson, the Democrat.
But before the days of primaries, anything could happen, and
in eighteen forty four it did.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
The Democratic Convention is going on.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
He's not even there, which is interesting, and I don't
know that he is even actively kind of throwing his
name in the hat. But the Democratic Party is extremely
divided and they really can't decide on who they want.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
This is why.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Really Polk becomes the dark horse candidate. Is where that
term comes from, because in a lot of ways, he's
given up his career in Washington, the career here in
Tennessee is failing, and he's just kind of not sure
what's going to come after, and he becomes a little
bit of a compromise candidate. This is where his one
term comes from. He says, if you elect me and
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I get elected, I'll just serve one term and then
you guys can figure out the Democratic Party can figure
out who they want to replace me, and they go
for it, and he gets the vote. I argue that
if somebody ran with a similar platform today that they
would win. Who doesn't want a president that's going to
run one term's going to accomplish some really huge goals,
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and then it's going to leave office and leave public service,
which is Polk's intention is to he's going to retire,
So he runs on fifty four to forty or fight,
which is to say that we're going to settle this
dispute over the Oregon territory.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Here's zan Clair one of our regular contributors with more
on that.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Multiple countries had sent explorers to the Pacific northwest coast
of North America. These explorers laid claim to territory in
the New World. However, as there weren't markings on property lines,
Britain's and the fledgling United States ended up with overlapping claims.
Both nations had reasons why they felt their claim was
more legitimate. Britain and the United States had already agreed
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to set their borders from Minnesota to the Rocky Mountains
along the forty ninth parallel. Why not moderate American voices
asked agree to just keep the same line all the
way to the Pacific.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
As the debate wore.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
On, some American voices clamored that a border on the
forty ninth parallel wasn't not enough land anyway.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So he runs on fifty four to forty your fight,
which is to say that we're gonna settle this dispute
over the Oregon territory.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
In other words, he called for a border that went
up to fifty four degrees forty minutes, which would extend
the United States border all the way.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
North to Alaska or thereabouts, or else.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But he basically says he's gonna settle that dispute, that
he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Settle the Texas question.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
He's gonna annex Texas basically is what he's promised. A
lot has happened in Texas. The Mexicans fight against the
Spanish rule and gain kind of their independence. Very quickly.
Out of that, Texas decides to break away. I like
to jokingly say Tennessee is the mother of Texas, because
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I think there's thirty Tennesseeans who died the Alabo.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Here's Monty Monroe, the official Texas state historian, with more.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Their grievances centered on the rights to religious freedom, in
other words, you didn't all have to be Catholics, the
right to religious freedom, and the fact that Mexico had
failed to establish an education system. They were interested in
their right to bear arms, their right to a trial
by jury versus a military tribunal, which was called for
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in the siete Les. So they make this remarkable break
politically with Mexico.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So it seems like this kind of fight for freedom
that the American people are very invested in, and you've
got Americans from all over steadily pouring into Texas. Sarah
Childress's nephew goes to Texas and helps them write their
declaration of independence when they're breaking off Mexico. So you
can see where people have romanticized the idea of like
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a second Revolution and helping somebody else gain their independence.
In a lot of ways, we kind of see it
already as our territory. In Van Buren's presidency, I believe
it's van Buren, the Mexican government basically says if you
annex Texas.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Were going to immediately go to war.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That's part of the reason presidents and Americans have.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Not acted on him.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
But overall, Polk kind of rides that national support for
Texas and annexation and predating Polk, though it becomes very
synonymous with his presidency, is manifest destiny.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
This notion that Americans were God's chosen people and that
they were to spread their culture and religion across the
North American continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and
Polk capitalized on that sentiment. Pope is ultimately elected, and
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he was elected by an overweight majority, and that mandate,
that electoral mandate gives President Tyler, and you have to
remember at that time sitting presidents remained in office till
March Poke's election, and that mandate allows President Tyler or
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encouraged him to prompt Congress to pass a joint resolution
on February the twenty eighth, eighteen forty five simple majority
resolution to annex Texas, and President Tyler promptly signs the
measure on March the first, right before he goes out
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of office.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Polk is going to be the one to carry that out.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And when we come back more of the story of
our eleventh President, James K.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Polk.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
After these messages, and we returned to our American stories
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and the final portion of our story on the eleventh
President of the United States, James K.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Polk. When we last left off, against all.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Odds, Polk had been elected president in large measure due
to his support for Manifest Destiny and his promise to
serve only one term.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Let's return to the story.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Polk does everything when he takes office. His entire start
to finish term as president is like a marathon that
he treats.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Like a sprint.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Here again, as Monty Monroe, the Texas state historian.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
He claimed that he would bring in Oregon, Texas and
California into the Union in response to these mounting sentiments
in the United States, a so called manifest destiny.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
He is so ambitious, and he is so dedicated. He's
such a workaholic, and he's extremely detail oriented, to the
extent that the people that are working for him and
around him are kind of eye rolling.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He says his favorite day of the year to work
is on Christmas Day because he can get so much
done and nobody bothers him. We have records where he's
working over eighteen hours a day, And he says he
wants to be basically involved in every aspect of government.
He doesn't trust his subordinates to do everything correctly, so
he's going to be involved in everything. He immediately starts
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going after all of his goals.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Great Britain.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
He immediately starts going back and forth with them about
our northern border.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Here again is Anne Claire.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
However, once he was in office, President Polk wasn't really
feeling the fight part of his slogan anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You get the sense that he doesn't actually want to
go to war with Great Britain. He does want to
go to war with Mexico, but I think he knows
that Mexico is attainable, and he really doesn't want to
go back against the British Empire, so he is more
amenable to settle that dispute, which they eventually do with
the forty ninth Parallel and the acquisition of more territory
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than just we say Oregon, but it's a big swath
of territory in the West Coast.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
The last president of the Republic of Texas at that
time was doctor Anson Jones. He convenes a constitutional convention.
They draft a state constitution, which Texas voters approved by
a two to one margin in October, and ultimately, in
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December of eighteen forty five, elections for state officials are held.
Anson Jones becomes the last president of the Republic of Texas.
There's a fear by the Mexican governments of land hunger
of the Americans because of manifest destiny and this desire
to acquire California. The US wanted California for its natural
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heart robs. They believed it would make the United States
a strong Pacific power and open Asian markets to the
United States. President Pope knew that Mexico had severe financial
promim so he since slide.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
L John Slidell that is the namesake of Slidel Louisiana
and the United States minister to Mexico.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
To try and purchase California, which only had about three
thousand Mexican citizens living there at the time. Slydel met
with the current Mexican president at that time, Jose Herrera,
who stated that Texas was the key issue. If the
US would return Texas to Mexico, Mexico might consider selling
California the US. That didn't happen, and it couldn't happen. Ultimately,
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Herrera is overthrown. President Mario Perevis comes in, he refuses
to talk to Slydal. Slydale returns to the US convinced
that military versus diplomatic means was the only way for
the US to achieve its goals, particularly in relation to
the Mexican controlled what would become the American West. When
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Polk learned of Slidell's failure, he immediately sends General Zachary
Taylor old ruff and ready to move to the Rio Grand.
Of course, the United States and Texans had always believed
that the real Grand was a southern border because of
Santa Ana. Was forced after the Battle of San Jacento
to retreat below the Real Grand, and it was stipulated
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in the Treaty of Alaska. The Mexicans, of course, never
ratified that treaty. So old ruff and ready Zach Taylor,
he goes down and he starts building fortifications on the
Texas side of the Real Grand. Mexico claimed that Taylor's
move was an invasion of Mexican territory, and on October
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twenty fourth, President Perethis declares a defensive war against the
US and Mexican troops skirmish with Taylor's troops, and Taylor
wires Pope that war exists.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
It's not the first war that West Point graduates fight in,
but it is the first kind of big one, and
so you get people like Lee Grant, Stonewall Jackson, Jefferson
Davis is fighting. You have all these kind of West
Pointers in this war, and they're getting experienced, and it's
really the first big test of kind of West Point
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graduates and how they're going to work.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Following the war. And as a consequence of the border
now being secure, settlement increases dramatically in Texas.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
With the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo we gained so much
territory at a very low cost, I mean, fifteen million
dollars even in today's standards.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
That's a deal.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
The security of having kind of all of this territory
from sea to shining.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Sea is unmatched.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
And I don't know that we could have survived as
a country without having kind of the land mass. America's
future would have been untenable. It's kind of similar when
we talk about the Civil War happened, what would have
happened if the South had broken away? I mean, I
think America would have been over and I think this
is a similar situation. It's hard to think of another
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future for America that wouldn't have involved kind of this
land presence and command.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
The gold Rush is.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Announced right at the end of his presidency, and you
can see him kind of realizing that it's like it's
going to change the course of the country, and it
also kind of validates him and his ideas of westward
expansion before he leaves office and then eventually dies that
he knows, like, okay, it was worth it, because look,
we've already uncovered these natural resources in the land that
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we kind of fought and argued over.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
So I don't think he created the.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Wild West, but I think he made it part of
the United States. You know, we had no term limits
then until after FDR served for a long time, most
presidents did not go past two terms, which is what
George Washington said. So it's kind of an honor system
that you'll retire after so long. But I think because
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Polk is so young that he wanted to be clear
he wasn't going to move in and stay forever. You know,
he wasn't going to sit in that office until he died.
And then you get the sense very much as he's
wrapping up his presidency he is ready to retire.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
He's exhausted, and so he kind of.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Throws all that he has into this one term, and
then he's thinking he's going to come back home and
kind of live this quiet life. I don't think he
would have liked a quiet life, but you know, he
at least is kind of saying, oh, man, I can't
wait to come home and relax. So you get the
sense that he was also happy to be done after
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his one term. It is the shortest retirement of any president.
Right around one hundred days, there'd been this huge flood
in Middle Tennessee, and all the wells had flooded and
all this dirty water has permeated all over and so
people are dying of cholera like crazy. And all this
to say, he's varied with no ceremony essentially the first time.
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Now Sarah does dig him up and have him reburied
maybe six months after he dies, and she gets William Strickland,
who's like one of the most prominent architects at the time.
He's in National building the state capitol, and so she
commissions him and he builds a grand tomb and at
that point they have kind of the more grand funeral
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that we would associate with a presidential funeral.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Sarah sees that as.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Being really important because her husband was the president. They
have a procession through Nashville and re enter him on
the grounds of Polk Place, their house right on the
front lawn. Honestly, I mean it's almost just by the road.
Because Sarah wants him to kind of get that attention.
And that's really the rest of her life is devoted
to kind of perpetuating the legacy of James.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And a special thanks to Rachel, who works at the
Polk Home in Columbia, Tennessee, Monte Monroe, the Texas state historian,
and Anne Claire.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Who's a regular contributor.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And what a story about a man with ambition and
one term promises to do one big thing, and that
is a sure America's ownership of land from coast to coast.
The story of James K. Polk, our eleventh president. Here
on our American story.