December 2, 2022 • 20 mins
On this episode of Our American Stories, for our "Faith in Action" series, we hear from a wise leader out of Memphis, the son of Holiday Inn's founder.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
And we continue with our American Stories and with our
Faith in Action series, where we tell stories about how
people of faith live it out in the public square.
Today's story comes from a business and community leader in Memphis,
Tennessee named Kemmen's Wilson Jr. And we broadcast from Oxford, Mississippi,
about an hour due south from the great city of Memphis.
(00:33):
Kemmens has previously shared the great story of his dad
founding Holiday in which you can hear at our American
Stories dot com, and today Kevin shares his own story.
My faith walk really was. I didn't come to the
Lord until I was like thirty years old. I had
(00:53):
been asked four or five times to get into a
Bible study with some young guys my age at the time,
and I was always too busy, and I really wasn't
avoiding him. I didn't particularly want to do it. It
was early in the morning, so I wouldn't have missed anything.
But but we really did have a lot going on
(01:16):
with five kids in a business. And finally they asked
me a fifth time and I said this is over
of course, maybe three years. I said, yeah, I'll do it,
and so I go to that Bible study, and believe
it or not, that was a long long time ago.
Those same guys or meeting. We met this morning at
(01:39):
seven thirty. So I've got fifty five year history with
the same guys. It really is amazing. And we've we've
held together and it's uh John Stimmler, Ron Hickman, Ricken Moore,
(02:00):
Rick Collins, and Fred Schaeffer was there. Fred Shaeffer died,
but every Thursday morning and we started out and we
still do it where someone hosts the meeting every week
and if it's at my house, then I'm responsible to
fix breakfasts for everyone and then we would go in
(02:24):
and do some sort of a Bible study. And now
we've gotten so old that all we do is talk
about sports and politics and you know, el months. But
every time we've ever met, the last thing we do
is ask for prayer requests, you know. So so I
(02:45):
know five guys are praying for me every week whatever
that situation is, and m and you know, you obviously
the trust is built up. You know, they say they're
nine layers of trust. First layers. Everything's great. I don't
(03:05):
have a problem and I don't need any advice. And
there seven other layers of trust and the last layer
is I got a problem, it's my fault and usment advice. Well,
when you get your group to go to that level,
you know you're you're kind of home free. I mean
in a sense that you know, everybody needs a truth teller,
(03:30):
and a truth teller is someone who'll tell you the
truth no matter what the consequences are. You know, they're
willing to risk the whole relationship. And in the Christian world,
it would be somebody that loves Jesus morning, I love you.
And we all need truth tellers in all life. And
(03:50):
so I've got that group of truth tellers, and I've
got one other group that started at as a business
group and we've probably been meeting forty years. So this
is another kind of support accountability group that I have
I could go to. I mean, these are people where
you can go to it, you know, three o'clock in
the morning when you screw up, you know, uh, these
(04:13):
are the people you call. And now you know we're
talking about Asian parents, We're talking about you know, kids
that are getting in trouble, you know, I mean, you know,
it's just life. It goes back to my comment about
you know, we were so focused on what we thought
was important, was all this work? What are you doing?
(04:36):
How many? How many companies you bought? Die and die?
You know, everybody was you know, trying to and they
were kind of like your own personal board of directors,
but not really. But we we have got to that
ninth layer of trust, you know, to where you know,
(04:56):
I can tell them anything. And that particular group, I mean,
we've we've saved a divorce and we didn't save one,
but uh, you know, it's such a comfort to know
that you've got those kind of friends that that are there,
(05:17):
you know, I mean, I tell you how special it is. Uh,
one of the guys in our group, his son got married,
and of course we went to the wedding, and so
you know, we're in in Lyne and and they said, hey,
they were They said they want you to sit with
(05:42):
the family. You know, wanted me sit with their family
at the wedding. And you know, I mean, I'm you
know that that I and I try to tell every
young guy I meet with, what ever you do, try
to get in with a group of good, like minded guys,
(06:07):
you know, I mean, you know, life wasn't meant to
go this is not a lone ranger of Christian And
I'm able to tell people now I'm seventy four years
old that if somebody asked me what's important in life?
You know, I mean, you're seving four years old, I'm
(06:28):
on the back nine. I I'm on like twelve or thirteen,
you know. But if they said what's important, I would
say faith, family, friends, church, community, and business. And if
(06:50):
you add those, uh, business comes in number six. I
talked to a ton of young guys that I'm delighted
to be able to tell them that, to be honest,
that wasn't my priority when I was forty, okay, but
it is now. And I wish somebody had told me
(07:12):
when I was forty that at the twilight of your
life it is not gonna be by business. You know,
business is a it can be a wonderful success, but
it's a horrible god you know, and a little g
you know. A man with a full resume usually pays
(07:35):
the price, and generally, you know, God and family suffer
just the way it happens. And nobody ever said on
their deathbed, I wish I spent more time at the office.
Everybody says, I wish I spent more time with my
wife than my kids, every single one of them. So
(07:57):
I can bring some perspective potentially to somebody where there
are all into business as you know, this is their
life and they're trying to get to the next house,
to the next second home, and you know, say hey,
(08:18):
this number six. You know, you know, I've just seen
too many people sort of crash and burn because I
kept reaching for happiness thinking it comes in the form
of you know, material goods or promotions or you know,
(08:40):
whatever it is. And you're listening to Kemmen's Wilson Junior's
story or Faith in Action series didn't come and to
know the Lord until he was thirty, and it was
at the persistence of some friends, three years worth of
persistence to finally bring him into this early morning Bible study.
And they've been at it for fifty five years. What
(09:03):
a spectacular thing. When we come back more of this
remarkable story here on our American Stories and we continue
(09:40):
with our American stories and with the Memphis business and
community leader Kemmen's Wilson Junior, for our Faith in Action series.
Let's return to Kemmens and I will I will say this,
I had some guilt in a way that I had
(10:00):
been asked on multiple occasions to Brunford elder deacon and
it just didn't appeal to me. You know, I love
to work for or with maybe startup ministries, more entrepreneurial
kind of things, whether it's in a session meeting with
(10:21):
forty people or something. I felt a guilt because I mean,
you know, when you first become a Christian, like, okay, God,
am I supposed to go to China? Or what am
I supposed to do? And I didn't get an answer
go to church? They asked me to do this. I
just didn't want to do it. But I felt guilty
because I got asked every year, and a little bit
(10:43):
of guilt trip, you know, like hey, come on, you
know you're expected to do this. And then I was
sitting here one day, many many years ago with a
young guy and just talking about life, his career, his marriage,
and I went, Benga, this is exactly what God wants
me to do. He wants me to be a Christian
(11:04):
businessman and try to live, you know, a reflective life
of what He represents. And I was kind of released.
You know, Oh my heavens, this is great because I
you know, I just felt like, you know, it's one
of those things you go through your life wondering what
(11:26):
is God's will for your life. And I really feel
that's kind of what it was. He didn't say, Hey,
I don't want you to go off and start a
non profit. I don't want you to go to a seminary,
don't you know, chest, Stay where you are, keep as
clean as you can, you know, and be available. Just
(11:51):
be available because they're going to be plenty of people
that will seek you out. So really, what I've done
and last fifteen or twenty years of my life, I
made a cautious decision to have three focuses. One was discipleship,
one was mentoring, and one was stewardship. And if something
(12:16):
didn't fit in those three buckets, I would say no to.
At earlier in my life I said no to nothing.
I just said bring it on. And and some of
it it's you had to do. I mean, when you're
young and somebody a little older than you calls and said, hey,
can can you help with the United Weight Drive? Well, man,
(12:39):
I bet you know I don't, Okay, you know, And
so I've kind of gotten to the stage about twenty
years ago where I could say no. And the reason
I could say no is it it didn't fit in
those three silos. So for example, if somebody called and said, hey,
would you be on the can I put you off
(13:01):
in the country club board zero, it doesn't fit in
a bucket, and those buckets of what I want to
spend the rest of my life doing. You know, one
of the questions I ask people all the time is
what are you doing today, night, yesterday? And I what
(13:21):
you're going to do tomorrow? But what are you doing
today that will make an impact or an influence in
the next generation? And discipleship will, mentoring WILL and stewardship will,
and I carry out the mentoring. I'm doing that through
Nexus is my sixteenth year to mentor a young person
(13:43):
in Memphis. We put young emerging leaders with seasoned business
people and they spend nine months together. And part of
that system is you have to ask your protege every
week or every month, twice a month, what are your
plans and how can I help you? So it's all
about the protege. I was mentoring a young African American
(14:06):
that worked for fed X, a wonderful guy. So I
kept asking him and all right, what are your plans
and how can I help you? Well, his plan was
to write a book. I said, oh, man, I said,
I've never written a book. I don't know you know.
Then I thought, I said, look, I know two guys
(14:27):
have written books. So I put him with those two guys,
and before our nine months were gone, he wrote a
book and gave it to me. It was, I mean,
the fabulous kind of a self help kind of book.
Another person I meant toward was Kennon Vaughan, And Kennon
(14:52):
Vaughan is now my pastor. I mean, he was sitting
at my foot, you know, fifteen years ago. Now I'm
sitting at his foot and out of that. When I
said what are your plans? His plan was downline ministress.
(15:14):
And so I explained that to me. What is that?
He said, I want to have an institute that teaches
people how to be training and equipped people to be disciples.
And really it's it's it's all about fulfilling a great
commission as Matthew twenty eight eighteen through twenty going make
(15:36):
disciples of all nations. You know, all authorities been given
to me on heaven and earth, and you know baptizing
them and the Holy Spirit. And so I guess I
had read that verse maybe a couple of hundred times
in my life, maybe even closer to a thousand, as
(15:56):
old as I am, And looking back, I thought I
read it with sincere reverence and understanding, you know, the
great commission. And when I met Kennan, I realized he
really kind of was the first one to confront me
about those verses. And I slowly kind of recognized the
(16:20):
magnitude and the significance of what was being said. And
these were Jesus's last word to the disciples before we
want to be with a father. And to me, that's
kind of huge. That is almost comparable to someone on
(16:41):
their deathbed giving you their last request, their last wish
while on this earth. So what would you do with it?
I don't want to have to stand for God and say,
you know, I don't I didn't get this part. And
I said, all right, well, and I help you. He said,
if I get it off the ground, would be my chairman.
(17:03):
So I've been the chairman of Downline for sixteen straight
years now, and we didn't know if anybody had come
because at that time we started at five thirty in
the morning and lo and behold, by God's grace, we
had people sign up. Now we've had three or four
thousand people go through. And it's the downline. I mean,
it's the theory of down the line. And Kennon would
(17:30):
tell the story about you know, if Billy Graham preached
to five thousand people a day, it would take him
eight hundred years to preach the world. But if I
disciple you, and you disciple two more, and you disciple
three more, it'll take thirty five years, you know, So
(17:51):
just the multiplication of it. And one thing that Bob
Buford said that I loved, he said, this is talking
about legacy in a sense. He said, our fruit grows
on other people's trees. You know, if I pour into you,
(18:13):
some of my fruit is going to be on your tree. Yeah,
that's just the way it is. And then Ken Blaschet,
who's a good friend, he would always say there's no
spiritual retirement. He said, don't retire, refire, and that on
his teambstone he wants to put all used up. And
(18:40):
Bob Bueffer's was one hundred X. You know, whatever I do,
I wanted to multiply one hundred X. You know you
gotta let those kind of you know things sink in.
And you know I've told people decision wise, the three
most important decisions you'll ever make or is who's your master,
(19:02):
who's your mate? And what is your mission? And if
you can figure those out, I mean it generally your
career marriaging the career of the two biggest decisions you'll
remote and if you don't have the right master, it
(19:22):
could be a train wreck. It's kind of like the
two most important days of your life, the days day
you were born, the day you discover what you were
born for. And the special thanks to Joey for the
production on the piece, and a special thanks to Alex
(19:44):
for bringing us another in a long series we've been
doing alls from the beginning our Faith in Action series,
how faith animates the lives of so many people in
this great country, and how it's so misunderstood and it
can only be told through stories like this and men
and women that we've told. The stories about my goodness,
God wants me to be a Christian businessman, a great story,
(20:05):
Kevin Wilson Junior's story another of our great faith in
action stories here on our American story
And we continue with our American Stories and with our
Faith in Action series, where we tell stories about how
people of faith live it out in the public square.
Today's story comes from a business and community leader in Memphis,
Tennessee named Kemmen's Wilson Jr. And we broadcast from Oxford, Mississippi,
about an hour due south from the great city of Memphis.
(00:33):
Kemmens has previously shared the great story of his dad
founding Holiday in which you can hear at our American
Stories dot com, and today Kevin shares his own story.
My faith walk really was. I didn't come to the
Lord until I was like thirty years old. I had
(00:53):
been asked four or five times to get into a
Bible study with some young guys my age at the time,
and I was always too busy, and I really wasn't
avoiding him. I didn't particularly want to do it. It
was early in the morning, so I wouldn't have missed anything.
But but we really did have a lot going on
(01:16):
with five kids in a business. And finally they asked
me a fifth time and I said this is over
of course, maybe three years. I said, yeah, I'll do it,
and so I go to that Bible study, and believe
it or not, that was a long long time ago.
Those same guys or meeting. We met this morning at
(01:39):
seven thirty. So I've got fifty five year history with
the same guys. It really is amazing. And we've we've
held together and it's uh John Stimmler, Ron Hickman, Ricken Moore,
(02:00):
Rick Collins, and Fred Schaeffer was there. Fred Shaeffer died,
but every Thursday morning and we started out and we
still do it where someone hosts the meeting every week
and if it's at my house, then I'm responsible to
fix breakfasts for everyone and then we would go in
(02:24):
and do some sort of a Bible study. And now
we've gotten so old that all we do is talk
about sports and politics and you know, el months. But
every time we've ever met, the last thing we do
is ask for prayer requests, you know. So so I
(02:45):
know five guys are praying for me every week whatever
that situation is, and m and you know, you obviously
the trust is built up. You know, they say they're
nine layers of trust. First layers. Everything's great. I don't
(03:05):
have a problem and I don't need any advice. And
there seven other layers of trust and the last layer
is I got a problem, it's my fault and usment advice. Well,
when you get your group to go to that level,
you know you're you're kind of home free. I mean
in a sense that you know, everybody needs a truth teller,
(03:30):
and a truth teller is someone who'll tell you the
truth no matter what the consequences are. You know, they're
willing to risk the whole relationship. And in the Christian world,
it would be somebody that loves Jesus morning, I love you.
And we all need truth tellers in all life. And
(03:50):
so I've got that group of truth tellers, and I've
got one other group that started at as a business
group and we've probably been meeting forty years. So this
is another kind of support accountability group that I have
I could go to. I mean, these are people where
you can go to it, you know, three o'clock in
the morning when you screw up, you know, uh, these
(04:13):
are the people you call. And now you know we're
talking about Asian parents, We're talking about you know, kids
that are getting in trouble, you know, I mean, you know,
it's just life. It goes back to my comment about
you know, we were so focused on what we thought
was important, was all this work? What are you doing?
(04:36):
How many? How many companies you bought? Die and die?
You know, everybody was you know, trying to and they
were kind of like your own personal board of directors,
but not really. But we we have got to that
ninth layer of trust, you know, to where you know,
(04:56):
I can tell them anything. And that particular group, I mean,
we've we've saved a divorce and we didn't save one,
but uh, you know, it's such a comfort to know
that you've got those kind of friends that that are there,
(05:17):
you know, I mean, I tell you how special it is. Uh,
one of the guys in our group, his son got married,
and of course we went to the wedding, and so
you know, we're in in Lyne and and they said, hey,
they were They said they want you to sit with
(05:42):
the family. You know, wanted me sit with their family
at the wedding. And you know, I mean, I'm you
know that that I and I try to tell every
young guy I meet with, what ever you do, try
to get in with a group of good, like minded guys,
(06:07):
you know, I mean, you know, life wasn't meant to
go this is not a lone ranger of Christian And
I'm able to tell people now I'm seventy four years
old that if somebody asked me what's important in life?
You know, I mean, you're seving four years old, I'm
(06:28):
on the back nine. I I'm on like twelve or thirteen,
you know. But if they said what's important, I would
say faith, family, friends, church, community, and business. And if
(06:50):
you add those, uh, business comes in number six. I
talked to a ton of young guys that I'm delighted
to be able to tell them that, to be honest,
that wasn't my priority when I was forty, okay, but
it is now. And I wish somebody had told me
(07:12):
when I was forty that at the twilight of your
life it is not gonna be by business. You know,
business is a it can be a wonderful success, but
it's a horrible god you know, and a little g
you know. A man with a full resume usually pays
(07:35):
the price, and generally, you know, God and family suffer
just the way it happens. And nobody ever said on
their deathbed, I wish I spent more time at the office.
Everybody says, I wish I spent more time with my
wife than my kids, every single one of them. So
(07:57):
I can bring some perspective potentially to somebody where there
are all into business as you know, this is their
life and they're trying to get to the next house,
to the next second home, and you know, say hey,
(08:18):
this number six. You know, you know, I've just seen
too many people sort of crash and burn because I
kept reaching for happiness thinking it comes in the form
of you know, material goods or promotions or you know,
(08:40):
whatever it is. And you're listening to Kemmen's Wilson Junior's
story or Faith in Action series didn't come and to
know the Lord until he was thirty, and it was
at the persistence of some friends, three years worth of
persistence to finally bring him into this early morning Bible study.
And they've been at it for fifty five years. What
(09:03):
a spectacular thing. When we come back more of this
remarkable story here on our American Stories and we continue
(09:40):
with our American stories and with the Memphis business and
community leader Kemmen's Wilson Junior, for our Faith in Action series.
Let's return to Kemmens and I will I will say this,
I had some guilt in a way that I had
(10:00):
been asked on multiple occasions to Brunford elder deacon and
it just didn't appeal to me. You know, I love
to work for or with maybe startup ministries, more entrepreneurial
kind of things, whether it's in a session meeting with
(10:21):
forty people or something. I felt a guilt because I mean,
you know, when you first become a Christian, like, okay, God,
am I supposed to go to China? Or what am
I supposed to do? And I didn't get an answer
go to church? They asked me to do this. I
just didn't want to do it. But I felt guilty
because I got asked every year, and a little bit
(10:43):
of guilt trip, you know, like hey, come on, you
know you're expected to do this. And then I was
sitting here one day, many many years ago with a
young guy and just talking about life, his career, his marriage,
and I went, Benga, this is exactly what God wants
me to do. He wants me to be a Christian
(11:04):
businessman and try to live, you know, a reflective life
of what He represents. And I was kind of released.
You know, Oh my heavens, this is great because I
you know, I just felt like, you know, it's one
of those things you go through your life wondering what
(11:26):
is God's will for your life. And I really feel
that's kind of what it was. He didn't say, Hey,
I don't want you to go off and start a
non profit. I don't want you to go to a seminary,
don't you know, chest, Stay where you are, keep as
clean as you can, you know, and be available. Just
(11:51):
be available because they're going to be plenty of people
that will seek you out. So really, what I've done
and last fifteen or twenty years of my life, I
made a cautious decision to have three focuses. One was discipleship,
one was mentoring, and one was stewardship. And if something
(12:16):
didn't fit in those three buckets, I would say no to.
At earlier in my life I said no to nothing.
I just said bring it on. And and some of
it it's you had to do. I mean, when you're
young and somebody a little older than you calls and said, hey,
can can you help with the United Weight Drive? Well, man,
(12:39):
I bet you know I don't, Okay, you know, And
so I've kind of gotten to the stage about twenty
years ago where I could say no. And the reason
I could say no is it it didn't fit in
those three silos. So for example, if somebody called and said, hey,
would you be on the can I put you off
(13:01):
in the country club board zero, it doesn't fit in
a bucket, and those buckets of what I want to
spend the rest of my life doing. You know, one
of the questions I ask people all the time is
what are you doing today, night, yesterday? And I what
(13:21):
you're going to do tomorrow? But what are you doing
today that will make an impact or an influence in
the next generation? And discipleship will, mentoring WILL and stewardship will,
and I carry out the mentoring. I'm doing that through
Nexus is my sixteenth year to mentor a young person
(13:43):
in Memphis. We put young emerging leaders with seasoned business
people and they spend nine months together. And part of
that system is you have to ask your protege every
week or every month, twice a month, what are your
plans and how can I help you? So it's all
about the protege. I was mentoring a young African American
(14:06):
that worked for fed X, a wonderful guy. So I
kept asking him and all right, what are your plans
and how can I help you? Well, his plan was
to write a book. I said, oh, man, I said,
I've never written a book. I don't know you know.
Then I thought, I said, look, I know two guys
(14:27):
have written books. So I put him with those two guys,
and before our nine months were gone, he wrote a
book and gave it to me. It was, I mean,
the fabulous kind of a self help kind of book.
Another person I meant toward was Kennon Vaughan, And Kennon
(14:52):
Vaughan is now my pastor. I mean, he was sitting
at my foot, you know, fifteen years ago. Now I'm
sitting at his foot and out of that. When I
said what are your plans? His plan was downline ministress.
(15:14):
And so I explained that to me. What is that?
He said, I want to have an institute that teaches
people how to be training and equipped people to be disciples.
And really it's it's it's all about fulfilling a great
commission as Matthew twenty eight eighteen through twenty going make
(15:36):
disciples of all nations. You know, all authorities been given
to me on heaven and earth, and you know baptizing
them and the Holy Spirit. And so I guess I
had read that verse maybe a couple of hundred times
in my life, maybe even closer to a thousand, as
(15:56):
old as I am, And looking back, I thought I
read it with sincere reverence and understanding, you know, the
great commission. And when I met Kennan, I realized he
really kind of was the first one to confront me
about those verses. And I slowly kind of recognized the
(16:20):
magnitude and the significance of what was being said. And
these were Jesus's last word to the disciples before we
want to be with a father. And to me, that's
kind of huge. That is almost comparable to someone on
(16:41):
their deathbed giving you their last request, their last wish
while on this earth. So what would you do with it?
I don't want to have to stand for God and say,
you know, I don't I didn't get this part. And
I said, all right, well, and I help you. He said,
if I get it off the ground, would be my chairman.
(17:03):
So I've been the chairman of Downline for sixteen straight
years now, and we didn't know if anybody had come
because at that time we started at five thirty in
the morning and lo and behold, by God's grace, we
had people sign up. Now we've had three or four
thousand people go through. And it's the downline. I mean,
it's the theory of down the line. And Kennon would
(17:30):
tell the story about you know, if Billy Graham preached
to five thousand people a day, it would take him
eight hundred years to preach the world. But if I
disciple you, and you disciple two more, and you disciple
three more, it'll take thirty five years, you know, So
(17:51):
just the multiplication of it. And one thing that Bob
Buford said that I loved, he said, this is talking
about legacy in a sense. He said, our fruit grows
on other people's trees. You know, if I pour into you,
(18:13):
some of my fruit is going to be on your tree. Yeah,
that's just the way it is. And then Ken Blaschet,
who's a good friend, he would always say there's no
spiritual retirement. He said, don't retire, refire, and that on
his teambstone he wants to put all used up. And
(18:40):
Bob Bueffer's was one hundred X. You know, whatever I do,
I wanted to multiply one hundred X. You know you
gotta let those kind of you know things sink in.
And you know I've told people decision wise, the three
most important decisions you'll ever make or is who's your master,
(19:02):
who's your mate? And what is your mission? And if
you can figure those out, I mean it generally your
career marriaging the career of the two biggest decisions you'll
remote and if you don't have the right master, it
(19:22):
could be a train wreck. It's kind of like the
two most important days of your life, the days day
you were born, the day you discover what you were
born for. And the special thanks to Joey for the
production on the piece, and a special thanks to Alex
(19:44):
for bringing us another in a long series we've been
doing alls from the beginning our Faith in Action series,
how faith animates the lives of so many people in
this great country, and how it's so misunderstood and it
can only be told through stories like this and men
and women that we've told. The stories about my goodness,
God wants me to be a Christian businessman, a great story,
(20:05):
Kevin Wilson Junior's story another of our great faith in
action stories here on our American story
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