June 2, 2025 • 38 mins
On this episode of Our American Stories, for 50 years, John Clauson believed his father was just a simple salesman—until, near his deathbed, his father revealed a shocking secret: he had lived a double life tied to America’s top-secret nuclear missile program. John shares the incredible true story, based on his book Missileman.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Lee Habib and this is our American Stories
and we tell stories about everything here from arts to sports,
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Send them to our American Stories dot com. There's some
of our favorites. Our next story comes to us from
John Clawson in the Seattle area. Here's John to introduce
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himself and then share his story.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hello, audience, this is John Clawson, the author of Missileman,
and it's the story about my father as a Cold
War engineer who lived a secret life for over forty years,
and once he was diagnosed with cancer and he was
told he had eighteen months to live. I got a
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phone call from him that he wanted to come out
to New Jersey, where it helped me select a home
and build a fence. I picked him up in Philadelphia
at airport and you know, ninety five at south of Philadelphia,
and as usual, he was casually dressed. And my mom
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is an avid knitter. I refer to it in the
book as a mister Rogers knitted sweater. And with a
piece of luggage, we drove up ninety five to go
back up to New Jersey. Just north of the airport,
there's an exit called Broad Street, and my father said,
John ten men sat down in the basement of a
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YMCA and decided how nuclear weaponry was going to be
deployed and missiles. And he started naming off names and
one was in Eureque Fermi, which I recognized immediately, but
I didn't recognize the other names. And he was looking
quite pensive, kind of looking down on the street. And
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he gets to the ninth person, and he could not
remember his name, and he goes and he was a
guy from Georgia. And I said to my dad, if
you can't remember number nine, you're sure's not going to
remember number ten. And to my amazement, he goes, it's
your father. It took me by such surprise that I
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almost went off the road, hitting the white knobs on
the highway, and I kept driving. I said, Dad, what
would you be doing in a meeting like that? He goes, Johnny,
I got something to tell you for the next three
and a half days. So the next morning we got
out to start the fence. He'd already told me what
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materials to buy, and he just started telling me what
happened in his life and how he got recruited into
the top secret inderc Very few people have heard of
the NDRC, the National Defense Research Committee, which is the precursor,
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actually two committees before the Manhattan Project. Now, let's just
go back to the beginning of in the forties, thirty
nine to forty. Now, having received a letter from the
National Academy of Sciences, where my father is thinking that
he's being recruited for college because he has been correcting
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math books. Now let's talk about him correcting textbooks in
eighth grade. My father is told that he's missed two
questions in an eighth grade math test. Now, a year
and a half before, he was in a very violent
car accident where he was thrown from the car after
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church when a drunk t boned their car they were
driving on a gravel in Cairon, Iowa. My father went flying.
They had to look for him in the cornfield where
he was. He was unconscious and with this gigantic scar
on his face. They brought him back to the house
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and the only dressing on his face was the drunk
driver's T shirt. And they just assumed my dad was
going to die. They didn't even bother going to see
a doctor. My grandfather said, I'm not wasting any money. Well,
there is no money, and my dad's in a coma,
and his mom was very devout Christian. She locks herself
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in a prayer closet and she prays NonStop. Now this
accident happens Sundays, let's say noon. He wakes up on
Tuesday morning and he takes the t shirt off his face,
and that gash is fully healed. My father kept that
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open the way it was because he always wanted to
remind himself that God kept him alive. And now he
realizes that he's given him a mathematical and mechanical skill
set that is not normal, that he's alive for a purpose.
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He shortly realized thereafter that not only was he a
mathematical savant that the things just naturally came to his brain,
now that he was also a mechanical savant. Now it's very,
very very rare to see a theoretical and a mechanical
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savant kind of combined in one package. We've been emailing
with the world's leading expert. He's a doctor out of
the University of Wisconsin. He's the world's leading expert on savants,
and he's only met sixteen called post birth savants. But
what's so rare with my father, it's mechanical and theoretical.
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Albert Einstein, while he might have been a theoretical genius,
he wasn't mechanical at all. He had a hard time
even tying of shoes and how to do that. He
can do all the theoretical codes of nuclear reactions along
with how to fly a missile. Usually those are two
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completely separate skill sets. So my father is basically a
one man shop for a nuclear ballistic missile, which is
extremely rare.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And you're listening to John Klaussen and he's the author
of Missileman, The secret life of Cold War engineer Wallace
Klausen and his father's secret, super secret double life is
a nuclear missile savant is what this story is about,
and so much more more when we come back more
of John Clausan's father's story and he listens in Seattle.
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Stories and John Clausen's story of his father's super secret
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double life as a nuclear missile savant. Let's return to
John and more of his father's story.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So, once my father is correcting textbooks, the teacher, the
basketball coach as well, mails the textbook back to the
publisher because my father took the textbook where they said
he missed two questions, and my father told the teacher
the textbook is wrong. And my father that night, when
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he took the teacher's textbook home, not only corrected the
questions which are in the back of the textbook, he
corrected the entire textbook and rewrote it how it should read.
So when they were scouring the country looking for the
top scientists in America, they noted mit Yale, Harvard, Caltech,
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UC Berkeley. That's when they said to them, you might
want to check out this young kid in Iowa. His
name's Wallace Clawson. But there's one thing about him. He's seventeen,
I think, and they kind of shrugged it off initially,
but the publisher said, you probably should go see him
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because he's already correcting our astrophysics textbooks. So my dad
went to this small rural country school that incorporated all
the grades in basically a classroom, rural rural kyro and Iowa.
And my dad was on the basketball team, and that
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week of practice bick in February of nineteen forty, he
received a lets from the National Academy of Science is thinking,
we'd like to talk to you about your math skills. Well,
my dad thought he was being recruited to go to college. Well,
he had no idea it was the NDRC coming after him.
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So he asked the coach if he could have a
half hour because he's being recruited to maybe go to college,
and he knew the tough environment my dad grew up with,
with his dad being a drunk, a very abusive father.
He goes, Wally, you can have a half hour. He
was in basketball outfit. He pulled on his pants over
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but he left his basketball shirt on and a light
coat and it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Was very cold. He ran all the way to.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
The cafe and there's the three g men and they
must have looked at this young kid and say you're
Wallace Clauson, and my dad goes yeah. And they sat
down with my father and they said, if you take
more than two hours to correct this question, we're not interested.
And now my father's thinking, I've only got like twenty
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minutes left. Now i got to get out of here
because it's going to be ten minutes to run back.
And the two of the gentlemen went to the restroom
and my father just sits down instantaneously rewrites this very long,
protracted math question and then rewrites it, saying that this
should be the way it should be written. It's not
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so cumbersome, it's not so complex. Always make math very logical.
He never liked to see people use math to intimidate anybody.
So he started running back, and that's when the two
gentlemen came back out and sat down at the table
and said, what do we do scare the punk kid off?
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And the gentleman, who saw what my dad had done, said,
we don't know who should be more scared him or us.
So the NDRC was in such a panic, and in
a hurry, they infiltrated eighteen high profile scientific universities and
they acted all like graduate students or young professors, but
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they were all doing research work for the NDRC. But
of one of those committees, there was a one called
the Uranium Committee. They determined that the making of an
they call it then a super explosive was not all
that far fetched.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It looks like it.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Can be done, and we're recommending that we go to
the next phase.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So what FDR did.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He split the NDRC Uranium Committee off into its own
group called the S one Committee, and my father went
with radar down to Jacksonville, Florida, where all these radar
microwave radar sets were attached. During World War two, that's
where they affected the microwave radar. They call it the
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biggest unsung hero of World War two because if the
U boats were not captured correctly and eliminated, forty to
fifty percent of all shipping lanes across the Atlantic were
being taken out sunk well within three years three and
a half years. If you wanted to be in a
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U boat, you were putting your life at severe risk
of being killed. So when the microwave was done, he
was brought in to help design the first thermonuclear computer
with a gentleman who was considered the greatest mathematician of
the twentieth century, John von Neumann, who was quite an
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interesting character in himself, with his office directly across the
hallway for Albert Einstein. And that was the connection of
my father getting to know Albert across the hallway from
his closest mentor because.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
John von Neuman.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Had developed the first programmable computer program, which was unheard
of back in the early fifties, and my father was
exposed to the mechanical machine at Iowa State while doing
radar projects from the name of John Altasanoff, who was
considered to be the first person to manufacture a computer.
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So they combined the computer of al Tasenoff with my
father and the program from John von Neuman, and hence
you end up with the IBM seven oh four computer,
which was brought out to Livermore, California, from Poughkeepsie, New York.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And as my father told.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Me, it took three eighteen wheelers to transport that machine.
And he says, John, you have no idea of the
security around that convoy. But it's important for everyone to
realize that during the fifties that was the seven series
computers tweaked and then the IBM had of natural ability
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then to tweak it again so it could be commercialized
and sell it. And that's when the seven series IBM
computers turned into the three sixty, which was one of
IBM's most successful commercial machines ever built. Now let's explain this.
When the atomic bomb was dropped in nineteen forty five,
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that was what you call a fission bomb. It splits
the atom. That was Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Well, they found
out mathematically, which are incredibly complex calculations, that if you
take the heat energy of a fission bomb, which is
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what it was dropped at Nagasaki fission, and if you
take that million degree heat and you specifically direct it
at hydrogen atoms, you vaporize off the one electron. And
now what you do you try to implode billions of
hydrogen atoms, which is basically considered like the center of
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the sun. So if you have them implode on each other,
the energy release is the energy of the Sun. So
that's what my father specialized in. Then in forty six
the government wanted my father to do advanced ballistic calculations
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under the guise of being an engineering student. The first
thing I did I pulled his grades from Iowa State.
There my father is, he's flunking nine classes nine. He
flunked basic math one oh one. So they made him
look like he was the flunky. So he's now at
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University of Minnesota. All of a sudden, the government started
a long four year process to figure out if there
were moles within our nuclear and scientific world. And we
know that in Los Almos that they caught a group
of the engineers selling secrets to the Russians. So they
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come to my father and they tell him, Wallace, we're
thinking they're going to be coming after you now, and
we think there could be a mole within your group.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And you're listening to John Klausen telling the story of
his dad, and that would be Wallace Klausen. When we
come back, we continue the story here on our American stories,
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and we continue here on our American stories with the
life of Wallace Clawson as told by his son, John Clawson,
author of the book Missileman, The Secret Life of Cold
War engineer Wallace Clawson, and soon to be a movie.
There are producers attached to this as we speak, and
of course screenwriters.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
But now let's return to the story.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We last heard that the Russians were coming after John's
father Wallace. Here's John with what happened next.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
We want you now to go to Iowa and act
like you're going to be a farmer, and we're going
to isolate you and living with your father in law
at the farm in Kyron, Iowa, and tell everybody you're
now going to be a farmer. So he did that,
but he wasn't done working. They did the drops at
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the windmill of scientific papers, where he would go pick
him up early in the morning, take him back to
the farmhouse. He'd crawl up into the attic and do
the mathematical calculations, put him back in the bag, and
then he'd put a light on up in the attic
to notify his handlers that I've got a fresh drop
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of research papers I've developed. But what my father failed
to recognize is that my grandfather was up at four
a m. Every day, and my grandfather could see that
his new son in law was leaving at four thirty
in the morning and come back in like ten minutes.
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So he watched this go on and on, and he
watched how the light would go on and off, and
in certain times when.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
The light was on, he'd leave that day.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
So when they were in the kitchen, my grandfather approached
my dad. He was a World War One and I
have framed at my home here the letter he wrote
to his father about how horrible the conditions were in
France in World War One and that he learned to
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sleep with rats crawling on his face, and that backs
up his statement, I know what a rat smells like,
and I think I've got one in my family. And
my father very calmly responded saying, you know, Alban, you
fought for this country in a certain way. I'm just
doing it in a different way. And my grandfather backed off.
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Never a word was ever said about anything. So after
about a year of doing that is when IBM came
and knocking, and that's when my father was brought into
the commercial world of IBM, still doing a lot of
government projects, but under the guise of IBM's back then
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it was called the Military Products Group.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So when we were.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Doing the interviewing of my mom, and we went to
my mom with my writer and researcher. Where we asked
my mom, didn't you think Wallace had kind of a
strange career path? He's getting an engineering degree now says
he wants to be a farmer and now gets hired
by the IBM Military Products Group.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
What kind of career path is that?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And we got the biggest chuckle out of that because
my mom said this, Oh, Wallace would have been such
a good farmer. She still thought about my dad being
a farmer. It was very touching. Well, then the life
all of a sudden changed when Russia shot off Sputnik
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up into the sky and they went to get my
dad out of bed. We had four kids sleeping in
a two bedroom house. My mom and dad had one
and we had four kids in the other. My brother
is seven years older than me. He remembers that I
was holding onto my dad's leg because I was sleeping
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usually on the floor with my blanket, and when my
dad went to leave, I grabbed onto his leg and
my brother woke up, who would have been ten at
the time, and my brother vividly sees four large statued
men with rifles getting my father is shuttling him off,
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and what they were doing they were going to be
analyzing the track data of the satellite as it went,
and my dad said to everybody, ohs, calm down. So
my dad put those calculations in, but we a month
later shot our first satellite off. We thought we were
going to be first. We weren't. But that's when President
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Eisenhower initiated the program of NASA. So the exact month
NSSA was formed, we moved down to Long Beach, California,
where my father is involved in IBM's what they call
Space Systems West Division, on very unique address called Wilshire Boulevard.
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From there, in nineteen sixty two we moved up to
San Jose, California. One thing that's important to note that
whenever you have a person who even has a group
that knows the actual ballistic codes that can activate a
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variety of different either ballistic missiles or missiles in wherever,
you always have to be able to find where that
person is. So in early sixties, the military had developed
GPS guidance systems with satellites. We had it installed my
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dad did in the back of the Austin Healy sprite.
So twice there was a time in which the government
was following that sprite in San Francisco being driven by
my brother, and my brother runs out of gas. They
realized that the sprite wasn't moving. Along the side of
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a highway in San Francisco, a military truck pulls up
next to my brother and says, we think you need
some gas, and they fill them up and off he went.
My brother was thinking, man, that's strange. And then another
time the sprite was actually stolen and my brother was
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directed not to call the police, call dad if that
if you don't know where that car is, and they
just went and got the car and brought it back.
So and then there was a war called the Sixth
Day War when Egypt basically led an attack of a
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coalition of countries in the Middle East against Israel, and
Russia was so frustrated with America that we helped Israel
out so much in the Sixth Day War.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And what does Russia do.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
They move in fifteen thousand advisors into Egypt and six
hundred sam sites. Those are a surface to air missiles.
So lo and behold, guess who moves to Switzerland in
nineteen seventy My father moves to Switzerland. And this is
how he told this to the family, and I'll never
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forget it as long as I live. He said it
in a very plain, calm voice. And I'm going, where
in the heck is Switzerland? He goes The Shaw of
Iran wants me to assist on building a water dam project,
and I'm thinking, whoa, what does my dad know about
water dams? And the week before we moved to Switzerland,
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the PLO had hijacked an airplane at a Zurich and
they blew it up. My father absolutely freaked. He was
thinking that PLO has infiltrated the network of his program,
and he thought they were maybe coming after not only
him but his family. At San Francisco, we flew first class.
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It was a seven forty seven, and my father later
told me that the whole front row of coach were
armed guards for security. We landed, we got off, we're
going through a pack of customs. We're in customs lines,
and all of a sudden, I see my dad in
a window and he's saying, come over here. A door
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opened up, and we just walked out.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And you're listening to John Klaus and tell him story
of his father, flash engineer Wallace Clausen. But not just
any engineer, folks, a super secret double life as a
nuclear missile savant. The book is Missileman, the Secret life
of Cold War engineer Wallace Plausin This is Our American Stories,
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and we returned to John Klausen's story about his father Wallace.
Here on Our American Stories we left off with John
and his family having just landed at Zurich Airport in Switzerland.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
We were out of that airport in under thirty seconds
because my father didn't know if they were going to
attack now at the Zurich airport where they hijacked the
plane the previous week. And we got in the car
and we drove to Tallville, which is where we lived
in our house. That had to be a good fifteen
to twenty miles. We had to go through at least
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forty stoplights. We didn't hit one red light. And my
father said we were in a convoy of three cars
and the first car controlled the lights of the street.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And my father, when he was telling.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Me his story as to what we did when we
lived overseas, he says, Johnny, look at your passport. You
never ever entered the country of Switzerland.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I go.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I got a high school diploma from Switzerland, and he
looked at me with his hands in concrete, looked straight
up at me and said, Johnny, we can make anything disappear.
What my dad had done he had put ballistic missiles
in Iran in case Russia came into attack. Is I
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think it's important to do in telling you the story
with my father is some of his idio secrecies and
things he'd liked to do because obviously he could not
have traditional friends because he couldn't trust anybody for obvious reasons.
If you know the nuclear codes, you're not going to
be hanging out with somebody.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But what my.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Dad liked to do though, he loved to hit fly
balls to my friends because he always thought the kids
could be trusted.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So we often did that.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And my father would always carry a plastic satchel. This
is in the early mid seventies and he says, Johnny,
open up, I want to show you something that we're developing.
And in it was a twelve inch by two by two.
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It looked like a white piece of chalk, but it
virtually weighed nothing. And I go, what like styrofoam? But
it was denser than styrofoam, and I go to Daddy goes,
what do you want me to see? He goes, Johnny,
I just want to show you what the world's greatest
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hot plate looks like. Now, that was the sample piece
of the Space Shuttle tiles. As you re enter Earth's atmosphere,
there's incredible amounts of mass heat developed as you enter
atmosphere again, and that two inch thick They ended up
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painting it with a different color that even absorbed more
heat as it came in. But that was one of
the original Space Shuttle tiles that was being developed, and
my father often would say, Johnny, inquire about who's TV's
working and not working, and kind of a propensity of
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fixing television sets. I kind of get a kick out
of it. And the only thing he ever asked once
in a while would be like a cup of tea
or a cup of coffee, and he'd completely tear apart
the back of the TV set and fix the color
TV withever bringing out a manual or anything. He just
went in there, edie goo, Johnny, go into my tube wall,
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Go two row, two down, bucket three over, and I
need two of those, or go down four four over.
I need one of those and I'd run back and
I would. He would take him, and he had carried
his soldering iron with him, and he'd fix tubes. And
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those tubes which he was using were what you call
G force rated. In other words, they were used in missiles.
And you can just imagine if you have a tube
machine and the G forces in a missile, if those
tubes aren't reinforced with special strong connection tips and glass,
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they'll break apart. And those were all G force rated
for missiles. So when my father died, I gosh, I
can't believe I actually did this. We took all of
his tubes and took him to the dump and I've
later found out that on an average those tubes were
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probably worth two hundred grand today. My father always said,
this Sunday is the day the Lord hath made. We
will rejoice and be gladden it. I woke up every
Sunday and he was always playing church music, and he
was always asking me who can we pick up to
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fill our car to go to Sunday school with. He goes, Johnny,
get up and get your friends here. We'll wait for
him at the train station or whatever. But the Sunday
he felt comfortable. He even was kept a smile on
his face. He never really lingered around, but he always
had That was his time to unwind and appreciate that
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he'd been kept alive and that he now knows what
his mission in life is is to try to keep
the world safe. And then in nineteen eighty two, my
father is sent to England where under Carter's administration, they
were quietly secretly going to be bringing in missiles into England.
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And then NATO says to Russia in an exercise, only
we are going to attack you, and it's generally going
to increase over the ten days, and the last three
days is going to climax with a nuclear exchange of weapons.
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Their hair is up and they're watching all the computer codes,
and my father is in the exercise making sure that
none of the codes are in launch mode but have
all been deactivated. And there's thousands of missiles. Q imagine thinking,
oh did I forget about that missile in Turkey. So
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for three days Russia goes to deaf Coom two. Deaf
Coom two, we have never been at before with an enemy.
They are expecting nuclear war eight nine to ten, nineteen
eighty three, and we have no idea that rush is
even this mad. Soon after that exercise ended, my dad
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was diagnosed with cancer and basically he retired from IBM
and came back to California. But when he found out
that he had eighteen months to live, he wanted to
at least leave some sort to mark that to his
family that he did exist in a different way than
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being a quote unquote IBM sales affiliated guy. So when
we were coming back to return the posthole digger, my
father said, Johnny, pull in here, I want you to
see this house. And it was John von Neuman's house
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where the top scientists were deciding what we were going
to do with nuclear activity. Now the bomb had been dropped.
Now top scientists, Faremie Oppenheimer, they wanted to put the
genie back in the bottle. They figured, you know what,
this is a horrible thing we've done. You can go
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on YouTube and see Oppenheimer openly crying of the technology
that they've released to the world. But my father was
in the camp that said, you know what, the genies
out of the bottle. We can't put it back in,
but you know what we can do. A scientist can
stay so far ahead of the military and uniqueness that
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will control it. There's no doubt that my father was
a walking savant met mechanical and theoretical. But he did
not give off any of that aura. He just did
it and quietly walked away. And his skill sets was
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so far advanced. He was probably twenty five to twenty
eight years before Bill Gates even talking about programs. But
I look at it this way, once you're in the
inner sanctum of top secret computer projects, you're not going
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to be openly now working on commercial projects. It's just
not going to happen. So he came back to Seattle
after in nineteen eighty nine, and he really got sick
in a very quick way, and he passed away in
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May of nineteen ninety one. And I'll never forget. He
was at a hospice center and I basically said goodbye,
and he said he learned so much from me. And
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I was thinking, what could you possibly learn from me?
And he said he learned about life? And I left
and he died that night. After my mom and two
sisters saying, Ebbs.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
And you've been listening to John Clawson choking up talking
about his father. A great family story here on our
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himself and then share his story.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hello, audience, this is John Clawson, the author of Missileman,
and it's the story about my father as a Cold
War engineer who lived a secret life for over forty years,
and once he was diagnosed with cancer and he was
told he had eighteen months to live. I got a
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phone call from him that he wanted to come out
to New Jersey, where it helped me select a home
and build a fence. I picked him up in Philadelphia
at airport and you know, ninety five at south of Philadelphia,
and as usual, he was casually dressed. And my mom
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is an avid knitter. I refer to it in the
book as a mister Rogers knitted sweater. And with a
piece of luggage, we drove up ninety five to go
back up to New Jersey. Just north of the airport,
there's an exit called Broad Street, and my father said,
John ten men sat down in the basement of a
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YMCA and decided how nuclear weaponry was going to be
deployed and missiles. And he started naming off names and
one was in Eureque Fermi, which I recognized immediately, but
I didn't recognize the other names. And he was looking
quite pensive, kind of looking down on the street. And
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he gets to the ninth person, and he could not
remember his name, and he goes and he was a
guy from Georgia. And I said to my dad, if
you can't remember number nine, you're sure's not going to
remember number ten. And to my amazement, he goes, it's
your father. It took me by such surprise that I
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almost went off the road, hitting the white knobs on
the highway, and I kept driving. I said, Dad, what
would you be doing in a meeting like that? He goes, Johnny,
I got something to tell you for the next three
and a half days. So the next morning we got
out to start the fence. He'd already told me what
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materials to buy, and he just started telling me what
happened in his life and how he got recruited into
the top secret inderc Very few people have heard of
the NDRC, the National Defense Research Committee, which is the precursor,
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actually two committees before the Manhattan Project. Now, let's just
go back to the beginning of in the forties, thirty
nine to forty. Now, having received a letter from the
National Academy of Sciences, where my father is thinking that
he's being recruited for college because he has been correcting
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math books. Now let's talk about him correcting textbooks in
eighth grade. My father is told that he's missed two
questions in an eighth grade math test. Now, a year
and a half before, he was in a very violent
car accident where he was thrown from the car after
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church when a drunk t boned their car they were
driving on a gravel in Cairon, Iowa. My father went flying.
They had to look for him in the cornfield where
he was. He was unconscious and with this gigantic scar
on his face. They brought him back to the house
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and the only dressing on his face was the drunk
driver's T shirt. And they just assumed my dad was
going to die. They didn't even bother going to see
a doctor. My grandfather said, I'm not wasting any money. Well,
there is no money, and my dad's in a coma,
and his mom was very devout Christian. She locks herself
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in a prayer closet and she prays NonStop. Now this
accident happens Sundays, let's say noon. He wakes up on
Tuesday morning and he takes the t shirt off his face,
and that gash is fully healed. My father kept that
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open the way it was because he always wanted to
remind himself that God kept him alive. And now he
realizes that he's given him a mathematical and mechanical skill
set that is not normal, that he's alive for a purpose.
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He shortly realized thereafter that not only was he a
mathematical savant that the things just naturally came to his brain,
now that he was also a mechanical savant. Now it's very,
very very rare to see a theoretical and a mechanical
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savant kind of combined in one package. We've been emailing
with the world's leading expert. He's a doctor out of
the University of Wisconsin. He's the world's leading expert on savants,
and he's only met sixteen called post birth savants. But
what's so rare with my father, it's mechanical and theoretical.
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Albert Einstein, while he might have been a theoretical genius,
he wasn't mechanical at all. He had a hard time
even tying of shoes and how to do that. He
can do all the theoretical codes of nuclear reactions along
with how to fly a missile. Usually those are two
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completely separate skill sets. So my father is basically a
one man shop for a nuclear ballistic missile, which is
extremely rare.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And you're listening to John Klaussen and he's the author
of Missileman, The secret life of Cold War engineer Wallace
Klausen and his father's secret, super secret double life is
a nuclear missile savant is what this story is about,
and so much more more when we come back more
of John Clausan's father's story and he listens in Seattle.
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double life as a nuclear missile savant. Let's return to
John and more of his father's story.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So, once my father is correcting textbooks, the teacher, the
basketball coach as well, mails the textbook back to the
publisher because my father took the textbook where they said
he missed two questions, and my father told the teacher
the textbook is wrong. And my father that night, when
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he took the teacher's textbook home, not only corrected the
questions which are in the back of the textbook, he
corrected the entire textbook and rewrote it how it should read.
So when they were scouring the country looking for the
top scientists in America, they noted mit Yale, Harvard, Caltech,
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UC Berkeley. That's when they said to them, you might
want to check out this young kid in Iowa. His
name's Wallace Clawson. But there's one thing about him. He's seventeen,
I think, and they kind of shrugged it off initially,
but the publisher said, you probably should go see him
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because he's already correcting our astrophysics textbooks. So my dad
went to this small rural country school that incorporated all
the grades in basically a classroom, rural rural kyro and Iowa.
And my dad was on the basketball team, and that
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week of practice bick in February of nineteen forty, he
received a lets from the National Academy of Science is thinking,
we'd like to talk to you about your math skills. Well,
my dad thought he was being recruited to go to college. Well,
he had no idea it was the NDRC coming after him.
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So he asked the coach if he could have a
half hour because he's being recruited to maybe go to college,
and he knew the tough environment my dad grew up with,
with his dad being a drunk, a very abusive father.
He goes, Wally, you can have a half hour. He
was in basketball outfit. He pulled on his pants over
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but he left his basketball shirt on and a light
coat and it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Was very cold. He ran all the way to.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
The cafe and there's the three g men and they
must have looked at this young kid and say you're
Wallace Clauson, and my dad goes yeah. And they sat
down with my father and they said, if you take
more than two hours to correct this question, we're not interested.
And now my father's thinking, I've only got like twenty
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minutes left. Now i got to get out of here
because it's going to be ten minutes to run back.
And the two of the gentlemen went to the restroom
and my father just sits down instantaneously rewrites this very long,
protracted math question and then rewrites it, saying that this
should be the way it should be written. It's not
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so cumbersome, it's not so complex. Always make math very logical.
He never liked to see people use math to intimidate anybody.
So he started running back, and that's when the two
gentlemen came back out and sat down at the table
and said, what do we do scare the punk kid off?
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And the gentleman, who saw what my dad had done, said,
we don't know who should be more scared him or us.
So the NDRC was in such a panic, and in
a hurry, they infiltrated eighteen high profile scientific universities and
they acted all like graduate students or young professors, but
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they were all doing research work for the NDRC. But
of one of those committees, there was a one called
the Uranium Committee. They determined that the making of an
they call it then a super explosive was not all
that far fetched.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It looks like it.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Can be done, and we're recommending that we go to
the next phase.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So what FDR did.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He split the NDRC Uranium Committee off into its own
group called the S one Committee, and my father went
with radar down to Jacksonville, Florida, where all these radar
microwave radar sets were attached. During World War two, that's
where they affected the microwave radar. They call it the
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biggest unsung hero of World War two because if the
U boats were not captured correctly and eliminated, forty to
fifty percent of all shipping lanes across the Atlantic were
being taken out sunk well within three years three and
a half years. If you wanted to be in a
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U boat, you were putting your life at severe risk
of being killed. So when the microwave was done, he
was brought in to help design the first thermonuclear computer
with a gentleman who was considered the greatest mathematician of
the twentieth century, John von Neumann, who was quite an
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interesting character in himself, with his office directly across the
hallway for Albert Einstein. And that was the connection of
my father getting to know Albert across the hallway from
his closest mentor because.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
John von Neuman.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Had developed the first programmable computer program, which was unheard
of back in the early fifties, and my father was
exposed to the mechanical machine at Iowa State while doing
radar projects from the name of John Altasanoff, who was
considered to be the first person to manufacture a computer.
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So they combined the computer of al Tasenoff with my
father and the program from John von Neuman, and hence
you end up with the IBM seven oh four computer,
which was brought out to Livermore, California, from Poughkeepsie, New York.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And as my father told.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Me, it took three eighteen wheelers to transport that machine.
And he says, John, you have no idea of the
security around that convoy. But it's important for everyone to
realize that during the fifties that was the seven series
computers tweaked and then the IBM had of natural ability
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then to tweak it again so it could be commercialized
and sell it. And that's when the seven series IBM
computers turned into the three sixty, which was one of
IBM's most successful commercial machines ever built. Now let's explain this.
When the atomic bomb was dropped in nineteen forty five,
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that was what you call a fission bomb. It splits
the atom. That was Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Well, they found
out mathematically, which are incredibly complex calculations, that if you
take the heat energy of a fission bomb, which is
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what it was dropped at Nagasaki fission, and if you
take that million degree heat and you specifically direct it
at hydrogen atoms, you vaporize off the one electron. And
now what you do you try to implode billions of
hydrogen atoms, which is basically considered like the center of
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the sun. So if you have them implode on each other,
the energy release is the energy of the Sun. So
that's what my father specialized in. Then in forty six
the government wanted my father to do advanced ballistic calculations
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under the guise of being an engineering student. The first
thing I did I pulled his grades from Iowa State.
There my father is, he's flunking nine classes nine. He
flunked basic math one oh one. So they made him
look like he was the flunky. So he's now at
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University of Minnesota. All of a sudden, the government started
a long four year process to figure out if there
were moles within our nuclear and scientific world. And we
know that in Los Almos that they caught a group
of the engineers selling secrets to the Russians. So they
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come to my father and they tell him, Wallace, we're
thinking they're going to be coming after you now, and
we think there could be a mole within your group.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And you're listening to John Klausen telling the story of
his dad, and that would be Wallace Klausen. When we
come back, we continue the story here on our American stories,
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and we continue here on our American stories with the
life of Wallace Clawson as told by his son, John Clawson,
author of the book Missileman, The Secret Life of Cold
War engineer Wallace Clawson, and soon to be a movie.
There are producers attached to this as we speak, and
of course screenwriters.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
But now let's return to the story.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We last heard that the Russians were coming after John's
father Wallace. Here's John with what happened next.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
We want you now to go to Iowa and act
like you're going to be a farmer, and we're going
to isolate you and living with your father in law
at the farm in Kyron, Iowa, and tell everybody you're
now going to be a farmer. So he did that,
but he wasn't done working. They did the drops at
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the windmill of scientific papers, where he would go pick
him up early in the morning, take him back to
the farmhouse. He'd crawl up into the attic and do
the mathematical calculations, put him back in the bag, and
then he'd put a light on up in the attic
to notify his handlers that I've got a fresh drop
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of research papers I've developed. But what my father failed
to recognize is that my grandfather was up at four
a m. Every day, and my grandfather could see that
his new son in law was leaving at four thirty
in the morning and come back in like ten minutes.
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So he watched this go on and on, and he
watched how the light would go on and off, and
in certain times when.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
The light was on, he'd leave that day.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
So when they were in the kitchen, my grandfather approached
my dad. He was a World War One and I
have framed at my home here the letter he wrote
to his father about how horrible the conditions were in
France in World War One and that he learned to
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sleep with rats crawling on his face, and that backs
up his statement, I know what a rat smells like,
and I think I've got one in my family. And
my father very calmly responded saying, you know, Alban, you
fought for this country in a certain way. I'm just
doing it in a different way. And my grandfather backed off.
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Never a word was ever said about anything. So after
about a year of doing that is when IBM came
and knocking, and that's when my father was brought into
the commercial world of IBM, still doing a lot of
government projects, but under the guise of IBM's back then
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it was called the Military Products Group.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So when we were.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Doing the interviewing of my mom, and we went to
my mom with my writer and researcher. Where we asked
my mom, didn't you think Wallace had kind of a
strange career path? He's getting an engineering degree now says
he wants to be a farmer and now gets hired
by the IBM Military Products Group.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
What kind of career path is that?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And we got the biggest chuckle out of that because
my mom said this, Oh, Wallace would have been such
a good farmer. She still thought about my dad being
a farmer. It was very touching. Well, then the life
all of a sudden changed when Russia shot off Sputnik
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up into the sky and they went to get my
dad out of bed. We had four kids sleeping in
a two bedroom house. My mom and dad had one
and we had four kids in the other. My brother
is seven years older than me. He remembers that I
was holding onto my dad's leg because I was sleeping
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usually on the floor with my blanket, and when my
dad went to leave, I grabbed onto his leg and
my brother woke up, who would have been ten at
the time, and my brother vividly sees four large statued
men with rifles getting my father is shuttling him off,
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and what they were doing they were going to be
analyzing the track data of the satellite as it went,
and my dad said to everybody, ohs, calm down. So
my dad put those calculations in, but we a month
later shot our first satellite off. We thought we were
going to be first. We weren't. But that's when President
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Eisenhower initiated the program of NASA. So the exact month
NSSA was formed, we moved down to Long Beach, California,
where my father is involved in IBM's what they call
Space Systems West Division, on very unique address called Wilshire Boulevard.
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From there, in nineteen sixty two we moved up to
San Jose, California. One thing that's important to note that
whenever you have a person who even has a group
that knows the actual ballistic codes that can activate a
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variety of different either ballistic missiles or missiles in wherever,
you always have to be able to find where that
person is. So in early sixties, the military had developed
GPS guidance systems with satellites. We had it installed my
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dad did in the back of the Austin Healy sprite.
So twice there was a time in which the government
was following that sprite in San Francisco being driven by
my brother, and my brother runs out of gas. They
realized that the sprite wasn't moving. Along the side of
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a highway in San Francisco, a military truck pulls up
next to my brother and says, we think you need
some gas, and they fill them up and off he went.
My brother was thinking, man, that's strange. And then another
time the sprite was actually stolen and my brother was
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directed not to call the police, call dad if that
if you don't know where that car is, and they
just went and got the car and brought it back.
So and then there was a war called the Sixth
Day War when Egypt basically led an attack of a
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coalition of countries in the Middle East against Israel, and
Russia was so frustrated with America that we helped Israel
out so much in the Sixth Day War.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And what does Russia do.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
They move in fifteen thousand advisors into Egypt and six
hundred sam sites. Those are a surface to air missiles.
So lo and behold, guess who moves to Switzerland in
nineteen seventy My father moves to Switzerland. And this is
how he told this to the family, and I'll never
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forget it as long as I live. He said it
in a very plain, calm voice. And I'm going, where
in the heck is Switzerland? He goes The Shaw of
Iran wants me to assist on building a water dam project,
and I'm thinking, whoa, what does my dad know about
water dams? And the week before we moved to Switzerland,
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the PLO had hijacked an airplane at a Zurich and
they blew it up. My father absolutely freaked. He was
thinking that PLO has infiltrated the network of his program,
and he thought they were maybe coming after not only
him but his family. At San Francisco, we flew first class.
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It was a seven forty seven, and my father later
told me that the whole front row of coach were
armed guards for security. We landed, we got off, we're
going through a pack of customs. We're in customs lines,
and all of a sudden, I see my dad in
a window and he's saying, come over here. A door
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opened up, and we just walked out.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And you're listening to John Klaus and tell him story
of his father, flash engineer Wallace Clausen. But not just
any engineer, folks, a super secret double life as a
nuclear missile savant. The book is Missileman, the Secret life
of Cold War engineer Wallace Plausin This is Our American Stories,
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and we returned to John Klausen's story about his father Wallace.
Here on Our American Stories we left off with John
and his family having just landed at Zurich Airport in Switzerland.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
We were out of that airport in under thirty seconds
because my father didn't know if they were going to
attack now at the Zurich airport where they hijacked the
plane the previous week. And we got in the car
and we drove to Tallville, which is where we lived
in our house. That had to be a good fifteen
to twenty miles. We had to go through at least
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forty stoplights. We didn't hit one red light. And my
father said we were in a convoy of three cars
and the first car controlled the lights of the street.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And my father, when he was telling.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Me his story as to what we did when we
lived overseas, he says, Johnny, look at your passport. You
never ever entered the country of Switzerland.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I go.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I got a high school diploma from Switzerland, and he
looked at me with his hands in concrete, looked straight
up at me and said, Johnny, we can make anything disappear.
What my dad had done he had put ballistic missiles
in Iran in case Russia came into attack. Is I
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think it's important to do in telling you the story
with my father is some of his idio secrecies and
things he'd liked to do because obviously he could not
have traditional friends because he couldn't trust anybody for obvious reasons.
If you know the nuclear codes, you're not going to
be hanging out with somebody.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But what my.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Dad liked to do though, he loved to hit fly
balls to my friends because he always thought the kids
could be trusted.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So we often did that.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And my father would always carry a plastic satchel. This
is in the early mid seventies and he says, Johnny,
open up, I want to show you something that we're developing.
And in it was a twelve inch by two by two.
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It looked like a white piece of chalk, but it
virtually weighed nothing. And I go, what like styrofoam? But
it was denser than styrofoam, and I go to Daddy goes,
what do you want me to see? He goes, Johnny,
I just want to show you what the world's greatest
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hot plate looks like. Now, that was the sample piece
of the Space Shuttle tiles. As you re enter Earth's atmosphere,
there's incredible amounts of mass heat developed as you enter
atmosphere again, and that two inch thick They ended up
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painting it with a different color that even absorbed more
heat as it came in. But that was one of
the original Space Shuttle tiles that was being developed, and
my father often would say, Johnny, inquire about who's TV's
working and not working, and kind of a propensity of
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fixing television sets. I kind of get a kick out
of it. And the only thing he ever asked once
in a while would be like a cup of tea
or a cup of coffee, and he'd completely tear apart
the back of the TV set and fix the color
TV withever bringing out a manual or anything. He just
went in there, edie goo, Johnny, go into my tube wall,
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Go two row, two down, bucket three over, and I
need two of those, or go down four four over.
I need one of those and I'd run back and
I would. He would take him, and he had carried
his soldering iron with him, and he'd fix tubes. And
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those tubes which he was using were what you call
G force rated. In other words, they were used in missiles.
And you can just imagine if you have a tube
machine and the G forces in a missile, if those
tubes aren't reinforced with special strong connection tips and glass,
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they'll break apart. And those were all G force rated
for missiles. So when my father died, I gosh, I
can't believe I actually did this. We took all of
his tubes and took him to the dump and I've
later found out that on an average those tubes were
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probably worth two hundred grand today. My father always said,
this Sunday is the day the Lord hath made. We
will rejoice and be gladden it. I woke up every
Sunday and he was always playing church music, and he
was always asking me who can we pick up to
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fill our car to go to Sunday school with. He goes, Johnny,
get up and get your friends here. We'll wait for
him at the train station or whatever. But the Sunday
he felt comfortable. He even was kept a smile on
his face. He never really lingered around, but he always
had That was his time to unwind and appreciate that
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he'd been kept alive and that he now knows what
his mission in life is is to try to keep
the world safe. And then in nineteen eighty two, my
father is sent to England where under Carter's administration, they
were quietly secretly going to be bringing in missiles into England.
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And then NATO says to Russia in an exercise, only
we are going to attack you, and it's generally going
to increase over the ten days, and the last three
days is going to climax with a nuclear exchange of weapons.
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Their hair is up and they're watching all the computer codes,
and my father is in the exercise making sure that
none of the codes are in launch mode but have
all been deactivated. And there's thousands of missiles. Q imagine thinking,
oh did I forget about that missile in Turkey. So
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for three days Russia goes to deaf Coom two. Deaf
Coom two, we have never been at before with an enemy.
They are expecting nuclear war eight nine to ten, nineteen
eighty three, and we have no idea that rush is
even this mad. Soon after that exercise ended, my dad
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was diagnosed with cancer and basically he retired from IBM
and came back to California. But when he found out
that he had eighteen months to live, he wanted to
at least leave some sort to mark that to his
family that he did exist in a different way than
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being a quote unquote IBM sales affiliated guy. So when
we were coming back to return the posthole digger, my
father said, Johnny, pull in here, I want you to
see this house. And it was John von Neuman's house
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where the top scientists were deciding what we were going
to do with nuclear activity. Now the bomb had been dropped.
Now top scientists, Faremie Oppenheimer, they wanted to put the
genie back in the bottle. They figured, you know what,
this is a horrible thing we've done. You can go
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on YouTube and see Oppenheimer openly crying of the technology
that they've released to the world. But my father was
in the camp that said, you know what, the genies
out of the bottle. We can't put it back in,
but you know what we can do. A scientist can
stay so far ahead of the military and uniqueness that
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will control it. There's no doubt that my father was
a walking savant met mechanical and theoretical. But he did
not give off any of that aura. He just did
it and quietly walked away. And his skill sets was
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so far advanced. He was probably twenty five to twenty
eight years before Bill Gates even talking about programs. But
I look at it this way, once you're in the
inner sanctum of top secret computer projects, you're not going
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to be openly now working on commercial projects. It's just
not going to happen. So he came back to Seattle
after in nineteen eighty nine, and he really got sick
in a very quick way, and he passed away in
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May of nineteen ninety one. And I'll never forget. He
was at a hospice center and I basically said goodbye,
and he said he learned so much from me. And
(37:44):
I was thinking, what could you possibly learn from me?
And he said he learned about life? And I left
and he died that night. After my mom and two
sisters saying, Ebbs.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
And you've been listening to John Clawson choking up talking
about his father. A great family story here on our
American stories,
Host
Lee Habeeb
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