May 7, 2025 • 30 mins
On this episode of Our American Stories, Jeromy Clark had a rough upbringing, losing his father and suffering abuse at the hands of authority figures. After believing he would spend the rest of his life in prison, Jeromy was set free by grace...and the support of many people. Today, he is a living picture of redemption. Here's Jeromy to share his powerful story.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
And we returned to our American stories. Up next, we'll
hear Jeremy Clark's story, a story of brokenness and loneliness
and ultimately redemption and love. Jeremy went from being the
leader of a prison gang to being a leader and
inspiration for many.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Take it away, Jeremy, he did the only time I've
ever been interviewed by the police. Well, my mother was
a good mother, but she was never there. She worked
in the bars. She worked in the bar un till
o'clock in the morning, since she'd leave me at the
house mamaself when I was eight nine years old, and
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my real daddy had got killed when I was two
years old in an accident, so I didn't have no daddy.
My little cousin, he was born with a Bible in
his hand. He lived this perfect little life where I
thought it was perfect, you know, compared to mine, cause
he had a daddy, he got a mama. So even
though his daddy kind of whooped in with stuff like that,
at least he had somebody there to open. Every man
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my mom brought home was I mean, he wasn't fathering material,
you know what I mean. He wasn't gonna throw the
football with Mayory of the baseball He was there for
mama and that eventually I'd been living with my grandparents.
They pretty much raised me for a while. And uh
they owned a beer joint and they had a little
living quarters and that's where I lived from eight years old.
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They let me it was okay to draink you know.
Do you know what quarters are where you bounce a
quarter of the cup and this got alcoholic. You get
the dragon. Eight nine, ten years old, I was pretty good. Yeah,
I went to the babysitters and that's where I kind
of got molded into something cause I got molested and
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he would molest all the little boys, so it kind
of got me. I guess that early age kind of
getting bitter toward anybody who was in any type of authority.
So I remember going back to the babysitters and there
was a watermelon field and we busted every watermelon and
that in that field. So I guess that's was the
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start of my criminal career. I didn't have a curfew,
so I was gone all the time unless like I
was twenty one not twelve, and the police would bring
me home this crazy stuff. I golted about a hundred
mailboxes shut one time. I just go through an egg
peoples houses and boats, and I mean this crazy foodishness
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and uh I it's like when I rolled into a
neighborhood property value drop, you know, like, oh he knows
where this neighborhood is. That now won't building selling all
these houses? You know, My grandparents were drunk, so I
mean they were for real alcoholics, so I seen what
alcohol would do to you when I was real little.
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I did that cause though, oh this is cool, But
then when I seen what it turned them into, I
was like, I don't want no part of that. And
I guess just the trick of the enemy man, cause
drugs won't do you like that. They're different. So I
couldn't afford no real drugs when I was the kids,
so I hough gas cause for about fifty cents and
the two every body stayed out all weekend. And I
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really didn't think my life was going in nobody direction,
but my mama kept waking me up over a gas can.
So I at fourteen, I went to my first rehab.
First of all, how do you go to rehab, ma'am
and tell everybody that you're a dick to huffing gas.
You know they're there. Man, i'm'a smoke crack. I'm on
crystal math. Man. I got a wave and dits and
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I'll call it. What do you do? You well? I
hang out down after seven laughing. Man, you lose every
cool point. And they kicked me out. I did something
and get kicked out of there. So that's when my
little cousin that was born with a Bible says, you've
tried everything in the world, tried Jesus one time if
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you if you don't like him, you always go back
to what you were doing. And so I was saying, alright, bet,
I went to church and there was a man up
there preaching and I didn't pay him no attention until
he stopped that in the moh his sermony said, there's
somebody in here that does not believe in God. But
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if you're run to the altar, don't walk, don't job,
but run God you can show himself to you. And
when he said that, I knew exactly who it was
talking to you. And I remember the first thought that
come through my head at that point was why that
I sat on the back row of this church? But
I ran like somebody set me on fire, and I
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ran down there and I just stopped. I looked up
and I said, God, this is your one chance to
prove that you do exist, but I'm here to prove
that you don't. And when I opened my eyes again,
I was looking for the lights. I don't know what
happened to me, buck he got my attention, so I say,
this is might be worth trying. Like it was to
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the point to where the next day I showed up
at church and they like, we're not aving service to day.
I'm like, man's whatever happened to me happened in there,
and it was this more real than you standing here
talking to me. That's what I told the lady at
the church. So I just went and sent in the
sanctuary with no lights on. And I did that every
day for awhile. And my mama had married a man
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that was not very I'm not gonna say he didn't
like me. He probably would have if I woulda acted right,
but I I made his life miserable, so therefore he
didn't really care much for me. But they call me
at Jesus freak. They said, you're a Jesus freak, and
this ain't normal. So I was like, well, I can
always go back to doing what I was doing. That's
what you want me to do. And uh so they
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kicked me out of the house at uh fifteen year
or so old, and I had to go stay with
the man that was preaching that message. He said, well,
you can just come s sleep on the floor at
the house and he ended up molesting me. So at
that point, my disbelief in God before only intensified now.
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So I just took off fronting as far from God
as I possibly could and as fast as I could.
And the way that it started happening was like at
church one day, man, they was doing music practicing. The
drummer was late and I was looking at them drums
like hey, they said, can you play them? I was
like yeah, I yeah, I don't flay 'em. So I
said we'll get over and try. And I get over
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and I could keep a beat and I was like,
you had drum les said no, And when I played
them drum everything in my life was okay. So I
started playing the drum. So I loved playing the drums.
I wanted to play every service, not because I was
like prideful about it, because the other day was way
better than I was. But it's a all the problems
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I ever had in life, every fail ever, all that disappeared,
every struggle disappeared, and like while I was playing them drums,
I was winning over everything. And I remember one not
laying there and I woke up and I start crying
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and I said, this ain't right. I know this ain't right.
And I would pray out loud, thinking it would make
make him stop. But it'd be like, if you wanna
play them drums, tomorre just gonna lay there. So I
would just lay there and cry. I ended up nineteen
years old, I think I was. That's when I ended
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up catching my first fellay charge going to jail. I
don't remember how old I was when I first went
to prison, but it was not long after that. That's
when I got involved in gang activity. And during the
The Arian Brother it was just like a networking system
because I had to become a drug dealer and I
got tattooed on my own scarface because that was like
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when I've seen that movie as a teenager, I was like,
that's when I want to leave when I grew up,
not the fireman or the police, but I want to
leave that guy with double bass full of money. And
in the gang world people would listen to me. So
I made it to the top in a very short
period of time. I ended up making it to the
outside of state Captain positions mean I was over everybody
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in the free world, So everybody had to listen to
everywhere I went.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And you've been listening to Jeremy Clark tell his story,
and notice how he goes from the absolute tragic to
laughing about it, and back and forth. He goes through
this really terrible story, at least so far. He had
a good mother, he said, but there was never a father.
President he was killed in an accident. Every man my
mom brought home was not father material. He live with
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his grandparents. They were drunks, he said. He started his
criminal career tearing up a watermelon patch. No curfew led
to well, all kinds of craziness and foolishness, Jeremy said,
into church a great experience, and then a wretched one
to follow. And not soon thereafter, though he found some
solace playing the drums, he found more in the Aryan
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brotherhood and gang life. Well, it took to him, and
he took to it. When we come back more of
Jeremy Clark's story, a story of despair and redemption here
on our American story. And we're back with our American
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stories and with Jeremy Clark's story. When we last left off,
Jeremy had just joined a prison gang and quickly made
it to the top, becoming the leader of everyone in
the Arean Brotherhood.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
June eight, two thouy sixteen is the day it happened.
I got uh involved in some gang stuff and ended
up catching a murder charge. January the eight, two thousy seventeen,
I got locked up for two murder charges. I didn't
kill nobody though one of them. I guess It's like
if you if one house on this street gets broke into,
and the house on this street gets broken into, and
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a wig across town, you get caught breaking into a
house where you just broke into all of 'em. So
that's kind of what happened. But anyway, so I beat
one murder charge and then the other one. I ended
up get and send it stne. A congressman labeled me
the Alcopones of Aaron Brotherhood in Missipy. So I go
to jail and I get in dined on conspiracy to
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commit murder, attempt to murder drive by shooting with a
gang in Hensil. That's two life sentences was twenty five years.
I'm never supposed to go home. They put me in
a cell by myself, put me a brain new television
in there, and put me a Bible in there, and
I remember tearing the plastic off that TV, thanking, why
what in the world, and h there was nothing on TV.
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So I picked my Bible up one last looked at it,
and I said, God, I will never read this book again.
I'll never do it again. So there was nothing on
TV for about two or three days, so as I
picked it back up again and I read it from
Genesis to Revelations in thirty one days and said, God,
I don't know how in the world I'm gonna ever
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get through this, but if you'll help me through it,
I'll give you every day I got left, so he instantly, man,
things should start happening. I read a book by Joe
Oustein called It is Your Time, and I just kept
telling myself, Jeremy, it's your time. And I started telling
people that was in that jail I was in, I'm
going home and they thought I was crazy because the
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zone I was on was a all violent zone. It
was like six people on the zone that was eleven
bodies accounted for. One dude had five murder charges. He
was fighting. I mean, it was just like not somewhere
you really wanna go to sleep at. And uh, none
of us was looking at something that had a way out.
We all was doomed with no hope. And I just,
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for whatever reason, I start, man, I'm going home. So
what shoulda been life ended up being five years. And
when I got out, of course, I went into a
very unhealthy environment and I didn't make it very long
at all, and I was messed up again. The man
my mama's married to got her own drugs, So I
mean I went back into uh every I was just
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getting high. So I just went back to getting high.
And of course then I went back to f fuddling
with drugs every day all day long. So I kept
some more charging. In February of two thousand twenty, I
go to court. The DA tells my lawyer loud enough
ready to hear him, Clark has got to go to
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jail today. So, uh, I thought, in my mind, he's
giving me a head of start, and so I took
off right in the other corner court room. I'm facing forever.
I had a ninety three years for for drug charges
I was facing. I was looking at twenty mandatory years.
So uh, I ran and I stayed on the room
for two months. April thirteenth, they caught me and they
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asked me when they got me to jail, why don't
you run out of the court room. I said, cause
I wanted to see my mama one more time. Cause
I know I'm on a dine in prison, but I
wanted to see her again. So I'm sitting in jail.
That's on the thirteenth. On the fifteenth, I collapsed in
the floor and I just tell oh, God, God, I
cannot live this way another day. It's took everything that
I love away from me. It's cost me everything. I'm
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not asking you to get me out of trouble, but
I'm asking you to change me on the inside. I
can't wake up and want the same things. I can't
wake up and be the same person on the inside.
Something's got to change. Because if I wake up tomorrow
the same way that I go to bed to night,
I'm not going to bed that way again, and when
I woke up the next morning, something was different. So
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I started living for God in jail, looking at another
hopeless situation. But what I had to go on and
give me a strength was that He had never failed me,
even though I had spit in his face and turned
around and walked away from him. So September the nineteenth,
the jail approved, during the middle of COVID and everything
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you wouldn't know visitors coming in or nothing, the jail
approved for me to get a visit from my mama
for two hour contact visit. And when she showed up
on the nineteenth, I've never seen her smile the way
she did that day. It's like she knew Jeremy's different.
The best visit ever. She went home from that visit
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that laid down and never woke back up. When they
called me up front to the phone on September the
twenty and I got the phone calling my mama passed away.
I remember her just sinking into the floor, man, and
just squalling my eyes out. But it's like, even though
I was falling apart, something on the inside I said,
but you're gonna be okay. You know, my mama died
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thinking I was getting twenty mandatory years, so we buried
on September the twenty third. I go to court on
October the second, except twenty mandatory years. And when I
walked to the door of the court room, somebody who
didn't know nothing about me, didn't even know what charges
I was on. Her name's Kay Larson. Of course, I
didn't find this out til a little bit later on.
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She said, temem me, when you walked to the door
of the court room, She said, God spoke to me
and said that's the one help him. So that day
she fought for me. My twenty went to ten and
I accepted a ten year prison sentence. Again in eight months,
she fought for me and got my sentence overturned. And
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when they overturned my sentence, they sent me to a
place called the Home of Grace. I fought going here.
I wanted to go to every other rehabit and the
world with that one. Cause he can only talk on
the phone for about fifteen minutes a week or something.
I was like, man, I talk on the home way one.
But when I got there, man, and I went through
that gate and I seen that Home of Grace sign.
That's like God said, this is your home of grace,
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because every day that I live now, it's strictly because
of grace, and ain't cause I've done something to deserve
it or to earn it. It's strictly grace. Whenever UH
got the murder charge for the Aaron Brotherhood, you know,
I told them God, look, I didn't tell you to
shoot this guy. Y'all gonna hold up, but I'm not.
And I was like, I'm done with this. So they say,
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you can't quit this, and I said, I'm not asking
for your permission, and I didn't send no permission slip
for you to sign. I'm telling you that if you
told me, I could live a thousand more years as
a member of the Aaron Brotherhood and have all the drugs, women, money,
whatever I wanted. But I had to be a b
to get it. I said, oh, you put a block
of wood right there. For being a Christian. I had
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to put my head on that block of wood. Let
you cut my head off. I said, I'm facing to
lay my head on that block of wood. I said, so,
I hope you willing to kill for your costs, cause
I'm willing to die for mine now and I meant it,
and I was like, well, people was kicking their shoes
off and go and I don't know why that. The
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only explanation why they couldn't touch me, cause they was
way bigger than I would was cause God had put
a hedge around him, cause they'd y'all up in my fass,
screaming and holler and they couldn't touch me.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And you're listening to Jeremy Clark tell a heck of
his story. He was labeled the l component of the
Aryan Brotherhood in Mississippi by a US congressman. He picked
up the Bible, read it, and then gave his life
to God after swearing he'd never pick it up. It's
Your Time, a book by Joel Ostein, helped facilitate some
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of that change in his thinking. And what should have
been life, Well it turned out to be five years.
And he gets out, but he's still the same guy,
and boom, back to drugs and back in court again,
and somehow an angel comes into his life. And we've
had these people show up in our lives, all of
us from out of nowhere and help us. And some
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call them angels. I don't know what you call them.
Now that's what a lot of people I know called them.
And my goodness, this woman fought for him. And ultimately
back to the Bible again and he asked God to
change him. On the inside, meets his mother that last time.
She smiles, knowing he's changed dies and the rest of
his life well about to hear about that after these messages.
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The life of Jeremy Clark, from despair to redemption here
on our American stories, and we're back with our American
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stories and with Jeremy Clark's. Jeremy has been sharing with
us this vicious cycle of being put behind bars, and
yet the moment he gets out of prison, he goes
right back to living the toxic life he'd led before,
and in a toxic environment. He desperately wants a new life,
but he's been in theronghold of addiction. Back to German, I.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Just was in and out of prison and when I
went to court, and this last time, of course, I
was guilty cause at this point now I'm an I'm
an addict, you know what I mean. I'm struggling with
addiction every day. And I said I wanna talk to
the judge. My Lord said, you are an idiot. Jerremy,
I said, I just gotta do what I feel like
God wants me to do. She said, Jeremy, if you
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talk to the judge, they're gonna give you everything. I said, Look,
I've got to do what I feel like God wants
me to do. If they give it all to me,
I'm just gonna get it. So they're giving me the
ten years, and it's my turn to talk. And I said,
your honor, my case is not even about innocence or guilty, cause, uh,
I'm guilty of every charge they accusing me of. I said,
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I'm guilty. Cocks his old heads alway. I said, But
what my case is about is is God still change
people's lives? And I said, cause the person that's standing
in front of you today is not the same person
that caught them charging. I said, So I'm not asking
you to do anything, just ask God. So he give
me the ten he gave in at ten years. So
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I go back to the jail. But I go back
and keep doing what I was doing. We started a
Bible studying on his zone. We would sing we had
we keeping the people in the whole jail up all night.
It be men not we'd be singing. Be forty of
us in there sing couldn't sing elate when we was trying.
And uh, one day that was in the nurse says, man,
I wanna get baptized. Where you baptizing? Cause all I
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did was raise my Bible talking about Jesus, and I said, yeah,
I'm baptized. He said, we ain't got no baptising when
not to do it the shire, you know way I
take it to this Shi didn't know what I was did,
but other people started lining up. It was like when
we get baptized too. Then the door started popping. Now
in prison, the people don't care you from another building.
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But the guards was like, well these people down there
till the end of the building and the building this door.
All of a sudden they wanted to get baptized. So
the guard thought, well, they baptized is nowhere in that building.
So they started bringing inmates in there, and we were,
you know, putting them on in the shower. So that
was pretty cool. So at that point, I'm I have
to start dealing with forgiveness with the man who did
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this to me, molested me, And it wasn't very easy
cause that man went from being a youth pastor was
this much paid to being a worsh leader and you
pastor in a church twice societe, you know, and he
just walked off the platform from winning the equivalent to
American I l for gospel music And in two thousand seventeen,
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this is the moment that it happened. I'm in jail
facing forever. I called home one day and they said,
did you hear what happened sund and Southern? I said no.
They said, well, he just went to jail cause people
they found out that it wasn't just me, it was
other people. So I'm like, oh, I want his number,
And I called him and I said, look, I want
you to understand something. Man, right now, you're gonna wanna
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give up and walk away, put your head down with
shame and guilt, and you just wanna give up. I said,
you can't. I said, because do you realize how many
men struggle or what you struggle with, that you're their
way out, You're their hope. I said, They're waiting on
you to stand up. I said, look, man, one day
you'll stand in front of the stadium full of people
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who bottle with the same thing that you're losing to
that you just lost to, I said, but you'll be
the reason that they win. And this is the moment
that I all broke. It's almost like when I got
my leak back, when I was able to say, oh, look,
he pinbably got in trouble. I didn't want that. For
a long time, the only pain I seen was mine.
The only pain I felt was mine. What I dished
out on you, I didn't feel you did. I didn't.
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I realized that you could put all the pain I
was feeling in a thimble, but you couldn't get every
dump truck in the world to hold all the pain
that I'd cast somebody else. I realized that if God
could use me, that he could still use him. And uh,
I might call one day and I talked to that
court reporter. She said, look, I can't say a whole lot,
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she said, but be ready in the morning. Think you
going somewhere where I'm going? You know, I wanna know now?
So what? And then she just hangs up all me.
I'm like, okay. Well, the next morning I come got
me and took me back to court, and uh, the
judge is sitting there and they say, look, they didn't
tell me this, This is what to tell her. I said, Look, okay,
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we don't like him. We don't think he's ever gonna
change in Franklin. We don't care if he does. But
we do love you, so we're gonna do this. But
not for him. We're gonna do this for you. They
overturned my sentence that day at court, and that may
out for whatever reason, she seen something in me worth
fighting for. I never thought I would be living the
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life I'm living right now. There was a time of
my life where I never thought I'd be able to
open refrigerator and get the cool braids hit me in
my face. I never thought I'd get to go to
Walmart and wondered why they had fifty cashraders it was
only one of 'em open. I never thought anybody could
cut me off in traffic, or cust me out, or
give me the fak you know I mean I I
never thought I would be able to run my fingers
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through the grass or lay down and get bit my ants,
cause everywhere I was at was concrete and fences. What
people seen as an inconvenience is a problem man, that
I do. I wish I could have had them just
to go get in my vehicle and ride down the road.
Sometimes it's overwhelming. We take things so for granted. I
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was at Academy Sports yesterday and these people's that had
an Academy card and it wouldn't work. And he turned
around and he's like, man, I'm so sorry, I'm so
sorry for this inning mean, and I'm just smiled. I'm
a a saint. No big deal. You know, it's okay,
I said, Mama said that big days, I guess, you know.
And I was sitting there thinking, like the fact that
his car didn't work, you know, next time he goes
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and swappings, and it's does that's gonna at different to him?
If it wasn't for the times when it didn't swat,
and if it wasn't for the times when things were bad, man,
the good days wouldn't feel as good. I will tell
you this story. The first major crime I committed was
I robbed somebody for a hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
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And uh, I always trade to part rich, you hear me?
And I did go hire a lawyer when I did
took that money, I went hired a lawyer and he said,
what do you do? I said, I can't tell you
cause I don't trust you. So I give him like
twelve grand that money. I was like, look when everybody,
all I can tell you is when I call you,
you need to come. Well, what have you done? Well?
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I don't trust you enough to tell you this. I
when you don't re seat, I said, I don't want
anything we don't name on it in my vehicle. And uh,
I paid a lawyer. I bought a vehicle with this money.
Then a week later somebody tells on me. I get caught,
they get the vehicle back, they get you know, a
lot of the money back and all that stuff. So
the man I robbed for one hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
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I feel that one day, I'm I feel like the
Good Lord's telling me to call this man asked him,
can I buy that vehicle? Cause I ain't had no
where of coin or nothing, you know. So I called
him up. I'm pumped up too, man, I'm talking about man,
I'm just knowing God all in the middle of this,
and this man's fishing up selling of this truck. Live
fishing make great. And I said, I said, by you a,
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I know that you're gonna throw the crazy, can I
buy a vehicle? And about ten minutes later, when he
quit concussing me, they said, if he's the last person
on earth, I wouldn't say this will And I thought
I had this going in different in different way, you know.
I said, all right, I thank you. I holler at
you later. And the next morning, my mama calls me
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and says, you need to call Bob. I said, I'm
not calling I called him yesterday and my ears are
still on fire. I'm not gone. She said, just call him.
I said, I'm not calling him. There's no way that
I'm facing to call him. Do you know what he
said to me? I was, I didn't know them words
existed that he called me. She said, just call him.
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I said, alright, I had no intention of calling. And
when I hung the phone up, I just told my
mom okay, And I got to sit there and say,
you know, I'm gonna call. So I called him, and
I'm like, I'm holding up my ohone back here cause
I'm knowing he says lit man. He said, hello, I said,
I was told to call you. Is there any truth
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in that? He said? Yeah? He said, uh. I couldn't
sleep it all that night God said, when the man's down,
you don't kicking me help him up. He said, I
don't wanna see you. But the tiddle of that trucks
and the glove box and the keys in it, come
get in church. So my los's them full of that stuff.
I went through a roadblock the other Now we just
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sit there and talk. And then finally one of them officers.
I was that dude back there in that car behind
them as they gonna be okay, we're men in because
we're just sitting there like he don't even exist, you know,
and I'm not. I love with this relationship is because,
you know, because I hated the cops. There's a police,
and he was a cop that thought he was supposed
to cuss everybody out, you know, I mean, criminals are
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you know, we're all this horrible basis of trash. But
he said that God used me to change his views
on it. But really God used him to just change
the way I viewed cops. Me and him became friends.
I just celebrated two years cleaning sober, so he's fishing
to give me my two year chill. It's just crazy, man,
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because I never thought I'd be able to do this
again to sit here and tell my story.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And it is indeed crazy and crazy beautiful. Especially a
good job by Madison Derek HoTT our producer, and special
thanks to Jeremy Clark for telling his story, all of it,
the raw parts, the ugly parts, and the beautiful parts.
A story of despair, a story worry, of redemption, and
so much more. God at the center Jeremy Clark's story
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here in our American Stories,
And we returned to our American stories. Up next, we'll
hear Jeremy Clark's story, a story of brokenness and loneliness
and ultimately redemption and love. Jeremy went from being the
leader of a prison gang to being a leader and
inspiration for many.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Take it away, Jeremy, he did the only time I've
ever been interviewed by the police. Well, my mother was
a good mother, but she was never there. She worked
in the bars. She worked in the bar un till
o'clock in the morning, since she'd leave me at the
house mamaself when I was eight nine years old, and
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my real daddy had got killed when I was two
years old in an accident, so I didn't have no daddy.
My little cousin, he was born with a Bible in
his hand. He lived this perfect little life where I
thought it was perfect, you know, compared to mine, cause
he had a daddy, he got a mama. So even
though his daddy kind of whooped in with stuff like that,
at least he had somebody there to open. Every man
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my mom brought home was I mean, he wasn't fathering material,
you know what I mean. He wasn't gonna throw the
football with Mayory of the baseball He was there for
mama and that eventually I'd been living with my grandparents.
They pretty much raised me for a while. And uh
they owned a beer joint and they had a little
living quarters and that's where I lived from eight years old.
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They let me it was okay to draink you know.
Do you know what quarters are where you bounce a
quarter of the cup and this got alcoholic. You get
the dragon. Eight nine, ten years old, I was pretty good. Yeah,
I went to the babysitters and that's where I kind
of got molded into something cause I got molested and
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he would molest all the little boys, so it kind
of got me. I guess that early age kind of
getting bitter toward anybody who was in any type of authority.
So I remember going back to the babysitters and there
was a watermelon field and we busted every watermelon and
that in that field. So I guess that's was the
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start of my criminal career. I didn't have a curfew,
so I was gone all the time unless like I
was twenty one not twelve, and the police would bring
me home this crazy stuff. I golted about a hundred
mailboxes shut one time. I just go through an egg
peoples houses and boats, and I mean this crazy foodishness
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and uh I it's like when I rolled into a
neighborhood property value drop, you know, like, oh he knows
where this neighborhood is. That now won't building selling all
these houses? You know, My grandparents were drunk, so I
mean they were for real alcoholics, so I seen what
alcohol would do to you when I was real little.
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I did that cause though, oh this is cool, But
then when I seen what it turned them into, I
was like, I don't want no part of that. And
I guess just the trick of the enemy man, cause
drugs won't do you like that. They're different. So I
couldn't afford no real drugs when I was the kids,
so I hough gas cause for about fifty cents and
the two every body stayed out all weekend. And I
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really didn't think my life was going in nobody direction,
but my mama kept waking me up over a gas can.
So I at fourteen, I went to my first rehab.
First of all, how do you go to rehab, ma'am
and tell everybody that you're a dick to huffing gas.
You know they're there. Man, i'm'a smoke crack. I'm on
crystal math. Man. I got a wave and dits and
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I'll call it. What do you do? You well? I
hang out down after seven laughing. Man, you lose every
cool point. And they kicked me out. I did something
and get kicked out of there. So that's when my
little cousin that was born with a Bible says, you've
tried everything in the world, tried Jesus one time if
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you if you don't like him, you always go back
to what you were doing. And so I was saying, alright, bet,
I went to church and there was a man up
there preaching and I didn't pay him no attention until
he stopped that in the moh his sermony said, there's
somebody in here that does not believe in God. But
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if you're run to the altar, don't walk, don't job,
but run God you can show himself to you. And
when he said that, I knew exactly who it was
talking to you. And I remember the first thought that
come through my head at that point was why that
I sat on the back row of this church? But
I ran like somebody set me on fire, and I
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ran down there and I just stopped. I looked up
and I said, God, this is your one chance to
prove that you do exist, but I'm here to prove
that you don't. And when I opened my eyes again,
I was looking for the lights. I don't know what
happened to me, buck he got my attention, so I say,
this is might be worth trying. Like it was to
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the point to where the next day I showed up
at church and they like, we're not aving service to day.
I'm like, man's whatever happened to me happened in there,
and it was this more real than you standing here
talking to me. That's what I told the lady at
the church. So I just went and sent in the
sanctuary with no lights on. And I did that every
day for awhile. And my mama had married a man
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that was not very I'm not gonna say he didn't
like me. He probably would have if I woulda acted right,
but I I made his life miserable, so therefore he
didn't really care much for me. But they call me
at Jesus freak. They said, you're a Jesus freak, and
this ain't normal. So I was like, well, I can
always go back to doing what I was doing. That's
what you want me to do. And uh so they
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kicked me out of the house at uh fifteen year
or so old, and I had to go stay with
the man that was preaching that message. He said, well,
you can just come s sleep on the floor at
the house and he ended up molesting me. So at
that point, my disbelief in God before only intensified now.
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So I just took off fronting as far from God
as I possibly could and as fast as I could.
And the way that it started happening was like at
church one day, man, they was doing music practicing. The
drummer was late and I was looking at them drums
like hey, they said, can you play them? I was
like yeah, I yeah, I don't flay 'em. So I
said we'll get over and try. And I get over
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and I could keep a beat and I was like,
you had drum les said no, And when I played
them drum everything in my life was okay. So I
started playing the drum. So I loved playing the drums.
I wanted to play every service, not because I was
like prideful about it, because the other day was way
better than I was. But it's a all the problems
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I ever had in life, every fail ever, all that disappeared,
every struggle disappeared, and like while I was playing them drums,
I was winning over everything. And I remember one not
laying there and I woke up and I start crying
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and I said, this ain't right. I know this ain't right.
And I would pray out loud, thinking it would make
make him stop. But it'd be like, if you wanna
play them drums, tomorre just gonna lay there. So I
would just lay there and cry. I ended up nineteen
years old, I think I was. That's when I ended
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up catching my first fellay charge going to jail. I
don't remember how old I was when I first went
to prison, but it was not long after that. That's
when I got involved in gang activity. And during the
The Arian Brother it was just like a networking system
because I had to become a drug dealer and I
got tattooed on my own scarface because that was like
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when I've seen that movie as a teenager, I was like,
that's when I want to leave when I grew up,
not the fireman or the police, but I want to
leave that guy with double bass full of money. And
in the gang world people would listen to me. So
I made it to the top in a very short
period of time. I ended up making it to the
outside of state Captain positions mean I was over everybody
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in the free world, So everybody had to listen to
everywhere I went.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And you've been listening to Jeremy Clark tell his story,
and notice how he goes from the absolute tragic to
laughing about it, and back and forth. He goes through
this really terrible story, at least so far. He had
a good mother, he said, but there was never a father.
President he was killed in an accident. Every man my
mom brought home was not father material. He live with
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his grandparents. They were drunks, he said. He started his
criminal career tearing up a watermelon patch. No curfew led
to well, all kinds of craziness and foolishness, Jeremy said,
into church a great experience, and then a wretched one
to follow. And not soon thereafter, though he found some
solace playing the drums, he found more in the Aryan
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brotherhood and gang life. Well, it took to him, and
he took to it. When we come back more of
Jeremy Clark's story, a story of despair and redemption here
on our American story. And we're back with our American
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stories and with Jeremy Clark's story. When we last left off,
Jeremy had just joined a prison gang and quickly made
it to the top, becoming the leader of everyone in
the Arean Brotherhood.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
June eight, two thouy sixteen is the day it happened.
I got uh involved in some gang stuff and ended
up catching a murder charge. January the eight, two thousy seventeen,
I got locked up for two murder charges. I didn't
kill nobody though one of them. I guess It's like
if you if one house on this street gets broke into,
and the house on this street gets broken into, and
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a wig across town, you get caught breaking into a
house where you just broke into all of 'em. So
that's kind of what happened. But anyway, so I beat
one murder charge and then the other one. I ended
up get and send it stne. A congressman labeled me
the Alcopones of Aaron Brotherhood in Missipy. So I go
to jail and I get in dined on conspiracy to
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commit murder, attempt to murder drive by shooting with a
gang in Hensil. That's two life sentences was twenty five years.
I'm never supposed to go home. They put me in
a cell by myself, put me a brain new television
in there, and put me a Bible in there, and
I remember tearing the plastic off that TV, thanking, why
what in the world, and h there was nothing on TV.
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So I picked my Bible up one last looked at it,
and I said, God, I will never read this book again.
I'll never do it again. So there was nothing on
TV for about two or three days, so as I
picked it back up again and I read it from
Genesis to Revelations in thirty one days and said, God,
I don't know how in the world I'm gonna ever
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get through this, but if you'll help me through it,
I'll give you every day I got left, so he instantly, man,
things should start happening. I read a book by Joe
Oustein called It is Your Time, and I just kept
telling myself, Jeremy, it's your time. And I started telling
people that was in that jail I was in, I'm
going home and they thought I was crazy because the
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zone I was on was a all violent zone. It
was like six people on the zone that was eleven
bodies accounted for. One dude had five murder charges. He
was fighting. I mean, it was just like not somewhere
you really wanna go to sleep at. And uh, none
of us was looking at something that had a way out.
We all was doomed with no hope. And I just,
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for whatever reason, I start, man, I'm going home. So
what shoulda been life ended up being five years. And
when I got out, of course, I went into a
very unhealthy environment and I didn't make it very long
at all, and I was messed up again. The man
my mama's married to got her own drugs, So I
mean I went back into uh every I was just
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getting high. So I just went back to getting high.
And of course then I went back to f fuddling
with drugs every day all day long. So I kept
some more charging. In February of two thousand twenty, I
go to court. The DA tells my lawyer loud enough
ready to hear him, Clark has got to go to
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jail today. So, uh, I thought, in my mind, he's
giving me a head of start, and so I took
off right in the other corner court room. I'm facing forever.
I had a ninety three years for for drug charges
I was facing. I was looking at twenty mandatory years.
So uh, I ran and I stayed on the room
for two months. April thirteenth, they caught me and they
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asked me when they got me to jail, why don't
you run out of the court room. I said, cause
I wanted to see my mama one more time. Cause
I know I'm on a dine in prison, but I
wanted to see her again. So I'm sitting in jail.
That's on the thirteenth. On the fifteenth, I collapsed in
the floor and I just tell oh, God, God, I
cannot live this way another day. It's took everything that
I love away from me. It's cost me everything. I'm
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not asking you to get me out of trouble, but
I'm asking you to change me on the inside. I
can't wake up and want the same things. I can't
wake up and be the same person on the inside.
Something's got to change. Because if I wake up tomorrow
the same way that I go to bed to night,
I'm not going to bed that way again, and when
I woke up the next morning, something was different. So
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I started living for God in jail, looking at another
hopeless situation. But what I had to go on and
give me a strength was that He had never failed me,
even though I had spit in his face and turned
around and walked away from him. So September the nineteenth,
the jail approved, during the middle of COVID and everything
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you wouldn't know visitors coming in or nothing, the jail
approved for me to get a visit from my mama
for two hour contact visit. And when she showed up
on the nineteenth, I've never seen her smile the way
she did that day. It's like she knew Jeremy's different.
The best visit ever. She went home from that visit
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that laid down and never woke back up. When they
called me up front to the phone on September the
twenty and I got the phone calling my mama passed away.
I remember her just sinking into the floor, man, and
just squalling my eyes out. But it's like, even though
I was falling apart, something on the inside I said,
but you're gonna be okay. You know, my mama died
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thinking I was getting twenty mandatory years, so we buried
on September the twenty third. I go to court on
October the second, except twenty mandatory years. And when I
walked to the door of the court room, somebody who
didn't know nothing about me, didn't even know what charges
I was on. Her name's Kay Larson. Of course, I
didn't find this out til a little bit later on.
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She said, temem me, when you walked to the door
of the court room, She said, God spoke to me
and said that's the one help him. So that day
she fought for me. My twenty went to ten and
I accepted a ten year prison sentence. Again in eight months,
she fought for me and got my sentence overturned. And
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when they overturned my sentence, they sent me to a
place called the Home of Grace. I fought going here.
I wanted to go to every other rehabit and the
world with that one. Cause he can only talk on
the phone for about fifteen minutes a week or something.
I was like, man, I talk on the home way one.
But when I got there, man, and I went through
that gate and I seen that Home of Grace sign.
That's like God said, this is your home of grace,
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because every day that I live now, it's strictly because
of grace, and ain't cause I've done something to deserve
it or to earn it. It's strictly grace. Whenever UH
got the murder charge for the Aaron Brotherhood, you know,
I told them God, look, I didn't tell you to
shoot this guy. Y'all gonna hold up, but I'm not.
And I was like, I'm done with this. So they say,
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you can't quit this, and I said, I'm not asking
for your permission, and I didn't send no permission slip
for you to sign. I'm telling you that if you
told me, I could live a thousand more years as
a member of the Aaron Brotherhood and have all the drugs, women, money,
whatever I wanted. But I had to be a b
to get it. I said, oh, you put a block
of wood right there. For being a Christian. I had
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to put my head on that block of wood. Let
you cut my head off. I said, I'm facing to
lay my head on that block of wood. I said, so,
I hope you willing to kill for your costs, cause
I'm willing to die for mine now and I meant it,
and I was like, well, people was kicking their shoes
off and go and I don't know why that. The
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only explanation why they couldn't touch me, cause they was
way bigger than I would was cause God had put
a hedge around him, cause they'd y'all up in my fass,
screaming and holler and they couldn't touch me.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And you're listening to Jeremy Clark tell a heck of
his story. He was labeled the l component of the
Aryan Brotherhood in Mississippi by a US congressman. He picked
up the Bible, read it, and then gave his life
to God after swearing he'd never pick it up. It's
Your Time, a book by Joel Ostein, helped facilitate some
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of that change in his thinking. And what should have
been life, Well it turned out to be five years.
And he gets out, but he's still the same guy,
and boom, back to drugs and back in court again,
and somehow an angel comes into his life. And we've
had these people show up in our lives, all of
us from out of nowhere and help us. And some
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call them angels. I don't know what you call them.
Now that's what a lot of people I know called them.
And my goodness, this woman fought for him. And ultimately
back to the Bible again and he asked God to
change him. On the inside, meets his mother that last time.
She smiles, knowing he's changed dies and the rest of
his life well about to hear about that after these messages.
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The life of Jeremy Clark, from despair to redemption here
on our American stories, and we're back with our American
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stories and with Jeremy Clark's. Jeremy has been sharing with
us this vicious cycle of being put behind bars, and
yet the moment he gets out of prison, he goes
right back to living the toxic life he'd led before,
and in a toxic environment. He desperately wants a new life,
but he's been in theronghold of addiction. Back to German, I.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Just was in and out of prison and when I
went to court, and this last time, of course, I
was guilty cause at this point now I'm an I'm
an addict, you know what I mean. I'm struggling with
addiction every day. And I said I wanna talk to
the judge. My Lord said, you are an idiot. Jerremy,
I said, I just gotta do what I feel like
God wants me to do. She said, Jeremy, if you
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talk to the judge, they're gonna give you everything. I said, Look,
I've got to do what I feel like God wants
me to do. If they give it all to me,
I'm just gonna get it. So they're giving me the
ten years, and it's my turn to talk. And I said,
your honor, my case is not even about innocence or guilty, cause, uh,
I'm guilty of every charge they accusing me of. I said,
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I'm guilty. Cocks his old heads alway. I said, But
what my case is about is is God still change
people's lives? And I said, cause the person that's standing
in front of you today is not the same person
that caught them charging. I said, So I'm not asking
you to do anything, just ask God. So he give
me the ten he gave in at ten years. So
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I go back to the jail. But I go back
and keep doing what I was doing. We started a
Bible studying on his zone. We would sing we had
we keeping the people in the whole jail up all night.
It be men not we'd be singing. Be forty of
us in there sing couldn't sing elate when we was trying.
And uh, one day that was in the nurse says, man,
I wanna get baptized. Where you baptizing? Cause all I
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did was raise my Bible talking about Jesus, and I said, yeah,
I'm baptized. He said, we ain't got no baptising when
not to do it the shire, you know way I
take it to this Shi didn't know what I was did,
but other people started lining up. It was like when
we get baptized too. Then the door started popping. Now
in prison, the people don't care you from another building.
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But the guards was like, well these people down there
till the end of the building and the building this door.
All of a sudden they wanted to get baptized. So
the guard thought, well, they baptized is nowhere in that building.
So they started bringing inmates in there, and we were,
you know, putting them on in the shower. So that
was pretty cool. So at that point, I'm I have
to start dealing with forgiveness with the man who did
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this to me, molested me, And it wasn't very easy
cause that man went from being a youth pastor was
this much paid to being a worsh leader and you
pastor in a church twice societe, you know, and he
just walked off the platform from winning the equivalent to
American I l for gospel music And in two thousand seventeen,
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this is the moment that it happened. I'm in jail
facing forever. I called home one day and they said,
did you hear what happened sund and Southern? I said no.
They said, well, he just went to jail cause people
they found out that it wasn't just me, it was
other people. So I'm like, oh, I want his number,
And I called him and I said, look, I want
you to understand something. Man, right now, you're gonna wanna
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give up and walk away, put your head down with
shame and guilt, and you just wanna give up. I said,
you can't. I said, because do you realize how many
men struggle or what you struggle with, that you're their
way out, You're their hope. I said, They're waiting on
you to stand up. I said, look, man, one day
you'll stand in front of the stadium full of people
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who bottle with the same thing that you're losing to
that you just lost to, I said, but you'll be
the reason that they win. And this is the moment
that I all broke. It's almost like when I got
my leak back, when I was able to say, oh, look,
he pinbably got in trouble. I didn't want that. For
a long time, the only pain I seen was mine.
The only pain I felt was mine. What I dished
out on you, I didn't feel you did. I didn't.
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I realized that you could put all the pain I
was feeling in a thimble, but you couldn't get every
dump truck in the world to hold all the pain
that I'd cast somebody else. I realized that if God
could use me, that he could still use him. And uh,
I might call one day and I talked to that
court reporter. She said, look, I can't say a whole lot,
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she said, but be ready in the morning. Think you
going somewhere where I'm going? You know, I wanna know now?
So what? And then she just hangs up all me.
I'm like, okay. Well, the next morning I come got
me and took me back to court, and uh, the
judge is sitting there and they say, look, they didn't
tell me this, This is what to tell her. I said, Look, okay,
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we don't like him. We don't think he's ever gonna
change in Franklin. We don't care if he does. But
we do love you, so we're gonna do this. But
not for him. We're gonna do this for you. They
overturned my sentence that day at court, and that may
out for whatever reason, she seen something in me worth
fighting for. I never thought I would be living the
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life I'm living right now. There was a time of
my life where I never thought I'd be able to
open refrigerator and get the cool braids hit me in
my face. I never thought I'd get to go to
Walmart and wondered why they had fifty cashraders it was
only one of 'em open. I never thought anybody could
cut me off in traffic, or cust me out, or
give me the fak you know I mean I I
never thought I would be able to run my fingers
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through the grass or lay down and get bit my ants,
cause everywhere I was at was concrete and fences. What
people seen as an inconvenience is a problem man, that
I do. I wish I could have had them just
to go get in my vehicle and ride down the road.
Sometimes it's overwhelming. We take things so for granted. I
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was at Academy Sports yesterday and these people's that had
an Academy card and it wouldn't work. And he turned
around and he's like, man, I'm so sorry, I'm so
sorry for this inning mean, and I'm just smiled. I'm
a a saint. No big deal. You know, it's okay,
I said, Mama said that big days, I guess, you know.
And I was sitting there thinking, like the fact that
his car didn't work, you know, next time he goes
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and swappings, and it's does that's gonna at different to him?
If it wasn't for the times when it didn't swat,
and if it wasn't for the times when things were bad, man,
the good days wouldn't feel as good. I will tell
you this story. The first major crime I committed was
I robbed somebody for a hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
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And uh, I always trade to part rich, you hear me?
And I did go hire a lawyer when I did
took that money, I went hired a lawyer and he said,
what do you do? I said, I can't tell you
cause I don't trust you. So I give him like
twelve grand that money. I was like, look when everybody,
all I can tell you is when I call you,
you need to come. Well, what have you done? Well?
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I don't trust you enough to tell you this. I
when you don't re seat, I said, I don't want
anything we don't name on it in my vehicle. And uh,
I paid a lawyer. I bought a vehicle with this money.
Then a week later somebody tells on me. I get caught,
they get the vehicle back, they get you know, a
lot of the money back and all that stuff. So
the man I robbed for one hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
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I feel that one day, I'm I feel like the
Good Lord's telling me to call this man asked him,
can I buy that vehicle? Cause I ain't had no
where of coin or nothing, you know. So I called
him up. I'm pumped up too, man, I'm talking about man,
I'm just knowing God all in the middle of this,
and this man's fishing up selling of this truck. Live
fishing make great. And I said, I said, by you a,
(27:25):
I know that you're gonna throw the crazy, can I
buy a vehicle? And about ten minutes later, when he
quit concussing me, they said, if he's the last person
on earth, I wouldn't say this will And I thought
I had this going in different in different way, you know.
I said, all right, I thank you. I holler at
you later. And the next morning, my mama calls me
(27:49):
and says, you need to call Bob. I said, I'm
not calling I called him yesterday and my ears are
still on fire. I'm not gone. She said, just call him.
I said, I'm not calling him. There's no way that
I'm facing to call him. Do you know what he
said to me? I was, I didn't know them words
existed that he called me. She said, just call him.
(28:11):
I said, alright, I had no intention of calling. And
when I hung the phone up, I just told my
mom okay, And I got to sit there and say,
you know, I'm gonna call. So I called him, and
I'm like, I'm holding up my ohone back here cause
I'm knowing he says lit man. He said, hello, I said,
I was told to call you. Is there any truth
(28:33):
in that? He said? Yeah? He said, uh. I couldn't
sleep it all that night God said, when the man's down,
you don't kicking me help him up. He said, I
don't wanna see you. But the tiddle of that trucks
and the glove box and the keys in it, come
get in church. So my los's them full of that stuff.
I went through a roadblock the other Now we just
(28:55):
sit there and talk. And then finally one of them officers.
I was that dude back there in that car behind
them as they gonna be okay, we're men in because
we're just sitting there like he don't even exist, you know,
and I'm not. I love with this relationship is because,
you know, because I hated the cops. There's a police,
and he was a cop that thought he was supposed
to cuss everybody out, you know, I mean, criminals are
(29:16):
you know, we're all this horrible basis of trash. But
he said that God used me to change his views
on it. But really God used him to just change
the way I viewed cops. Me and him became friends.
I just celebrated two years cleaning sober, so he's fishing
to give me my two year chill. It's just crazy, man,
(29:38):
because I never thought I'd be able to do this
again to sit here and tell my story.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And it is indeed crazy and crazy beautiful. Especially a
good job by Madison Derek HoTT our producer, and special
thanks to Jeremy Clark for telling his story, all of it,
the raw parts, the ugly parts, and the beautiful parts.
A story of despair, a story worry, of redemption, and
so much more. God at the center Jeremy Clark's story
(30:05):
here in our American Stories,
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