June 10, 2025 • 17 mins
On this episode of Our American Stories, in the 1800s, body snatching was surprisingly common, but stealing the body of a U.S. president was not. Historian Louis Picone shares the incredible true story of the harebrained scheme to steal Abraham Lincoln’s remains and hold them for ransom.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Lee Habib and this is our American Stories,
the show where America is the star and the American people,
and we love to hear stories from you. Send them
to our American Stories dot com. There's some of our favorites.
When Abraham Lincoln was put into his opulent one hundred
and seventeen foot tall tomb, he was laid to rest,
(00:32):
it's certainly not in peace. Here to tell the story
of Abraham Lincoln's turbulent post mortem experience is Lewis pecone
author of the President is Dead, Take it away, Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Inside of the tomb there is a sarcophagus and the
coffin was placed inside of that sarcophasics. It's about a
five hundred pound coffin is guarded by an iron fence
with a lock, and that's it. That lock in, that
iron gate was all that protected Abraham Lincoln. In eighteen
(01:11):
seventy six, there was an attempt to steal Abraham Lincoln's body.
A small time gang in Illinois and Chicago was led
by a guy named Big Jim Conally, and Canally had
fallen on hard times when his ace counterfeitter, Benjamin Boyd,
had been arrested in prison, so his gang was losing
lots of money because they couldn't print their own This
(01:33):
was a time when counterfeiting was a huge problem, and
actually the Secret Service that was formed under Abraham Lincoln
wasn't formed to protect the president. It was formed to
combat counterfeiters. It was such a massive problem. So Canally
was on hard times and he was sitting in this
(01:55):
rundown bar called the Hub in Chicago. Now, coincidentally, this
was also a bar that Canally owned or co owned,
So he spent a lot of time here at the Hub,
and he came up with his idea to steal Abraham
Lincoln's body, And he was gonna steal the body, bring
it to the sand dunes in Indiana, bury it in
the sand, and hold it ransom for the release of
(02:18):
Benjamin Boyd and two hundred thousand dollars to boot. Interestingly,
one of the few decorations in the Hub was a
bust of Abraham Lincoln. So I like to think of
Canally sitting there at the bar trying to figure out
how do we bust Benjamin Boyd out of prison, and
(02:40):
looking up at Abraham Lincoln's bust and getting the idea, Hey,
why don't we steal his body? Now, this sounds like
a hair brain scheme. It sounds like a like some
sort of ridiculous scheme that would have no chance of succeeding.
But again, Lincoln's body was only guarded by this iron
(03:02):
gate with a padlock. Anyone with a sledgehammer can break
this lock. So he recruited a gang of five people
to actually pull this off, and Canally wasn't on the scene.
He kind of kept his hands clean. They also came
up with the date of doing this on election night
of eighteen seventy six. This was when Rutherford B. Hayes
(03:24):
was facing off against Samuel Tilden, and they assumed that
the nation would be distracted, they would be more focused
on the election, not worried about Abraham Lincoln's tomb, and
it might give them more cover and give them more
time to get away. It should also be noted that
stealing a body wasn't as unusual as it sounds today,
(03:48):
and grave robbing was not only relatively common compared to today,
but it was also relatively big business because grave robbers
would then sell the cadavers to hospitals and medical facilities.
Which would them use them for experiments, And these medical
facilities didn't really ask many questions of where the bodies
came from. Now that wasn't Canally's plan to sell the body.
(04:12):
But just two years after this attempted grave robbing attempt,
this attempted grave robbing just two years after the body
of another president's father was stolen, and that was Benjamin Harrison.
His remains were stolen in eighteen seventy eight, and luckily
they were found before they were carved up by a
(04:32):
medical facility. So that's like another weird story, but that
just goes to show how this was possible. So Canally
recruits a gang of five people to steal Abraham Lincoln's body.
Little did he know that two of those five people
(04:54):
were also paid informants for the Secret Service. They were
getting five dollars a day from the Secret Service to
inform on criminals like Big Jim Kennelly. So once they
got recruited, they turned to the Secret Service and they
told them about this plant. So the Secret Service was
(05:16):
waiting inside one of the chambers in the Memorial tomb
on November seventh, eighteen seventy six. The gang easily sawed
off the lock and entered the tomb. They just as
easily took the lid off of the sarcophagus, but then
they discovered it wasn't that easy to remove a five
hundred pound leadline coffin, so it took them a while
(05:38):
and they managed to pull it out about fifteen inches. Now,
the Secret Service is hiding in another room in the tomb,
just waiting for that ideal moment to catch these criminals
right handed. But before that ideal moment came, one of
the Secret Service agents accidentally fired off his gun. Hearing
(05:58):
this bullet, the criminal ran, but with one of the informants' help,
they pretty easily tracked down the criminals three days later
and they were arrested. Now, at the time, stealing a
body wasn't a crime, so they couldn't charge them with
stealing a body. Instead, they charged the criminals with attempting
(06:19):
to steal a seventy five dollars casket. Big Jim Canally
was never charged with the scheme, but instead was arrested
for another crime and ended up going to jail. But
the criminals who were actually attempting to steal the coffin,
they each got a year in the Illinois State Penitentiary.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And what a story you've been listening to. This is
just one of those hair brained schemes that actually could
have worked if the Secret Service hadn't infiltrated his little
gang of five. Little did Big Jim canally know that
two of his guys were you know, CI's confidential informants,
whether then Nason and new Secret Service, which job primarily
(07:02):
wasn't to guard the presidents of our country, but to
guard our currency and to stop counterfeiting which was out
of control at the time. When we come back more
of Lewis pecone his storytelling about Abraham Lincoln. Here on
Our American Stories, this is Lee Habib, host of Our
(07:31):
American Stories, the show where America is the star and
the American people, and we do it all from the
heart of the South Oxford, Mississippi. But we truly can't
do this show without you. Our shows will always be
free to listen to, but they're not free to make.
If you love what you hear, consider making a tax
deductible donation to our American Stories. Go to our American
(07:52):
Stories dot com, Give a little, give a lot, that's
our American Stories dot com, and we returned to our
(08:20):
American stories in the story of Abraham Lincoln's brush well,
a ragtag group of grave robbers after his death. When
we last left off, the Secret Service had foiled an
attempt to steal Lincoln's body and bury it for ransom
in the sand dunes of Indiana. After this, security enhancements
that the tomb were needed, and a group of men
(08:42):
took it upon themselves to provide just such measures. Let's
return to the story here again is Lewis Picone.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So just imagine the horror of Verry Todd Lincoln and
Robert Todd Lincoln when they discovered how close this gang
came to stealing Abraham Lincoln's body, Because if it wasn't
for these two gang members that were also moonlighting for
the Secret Service, there was a real good chance that
(09:16):
they would have gotten away with this plot. It was
so easy to break in there and to remove the sarcophagus.
So Robert Todd Lincoln, really representing the family, was adamant
that the body needed to be better protected, but they
didn't know what to do. There was no other There
(09:37):
was no easy way to make the coffin more secure.
So the caretakers at the oak Ridge Cemetery came up
with the plan, and they decided to gather a group
of men, swear them to secrecy, and secretly remove the
coffin from the sarcophagus and hide it in the basement
(09:58):
of the Lincoln Memorial to This was down in the basement.
There was no ventilation, It was damp, it stunk down there,
and in the basement it was just ground. It wasn't
even over concrete. This is now over ground. So they
dug a hole into the ground and attempted to bury
(10:22):
the coffin. They knew it wasn't secure, but they figured
their advantage was nobody knew that the grave was there.
Everybody thought the coffin was still inside of the sarcophonist,
so they knew that burying the coffin in the basement
under the ground wasn't secure, But their advantage was that
nobody knew it was there, so as long as it
(10:43):
was a secret, they felt that Lincoln's coffin was safe.
First time they dug a hole, waters started to steep in,
so they found another spot and instead of burying the coffin,
they hid the coffin covered beneath plywood. Now nobody really
(11:04):
went into the basement except for the caretakers and this
small group of self reclaimed guardians. They felt that it
was safe down there, and it was for about another
year or so. The next year, in eighteen seventy seven,
(11:24):
there was two bronze sculptured that were placed by the
entrance of the tomb, and construction workers were at the
site and they needed access to the basement. So the
caretakers were forced to bring these construction workers in on
their secret. So they let them know, all right, we'll
let you go down to the basement, but that's where
(11:45):
Lincoln's coffin is hidden. But you can't tell anyone about this.
The construction workers said, yeah, we won't tell anyone about it,
and very quickly all Springfield was buzzing about this rumor
that Abraham Lincoln isn't in that sarcophagus, he's in the basement. Now.
(12:06):
The caretakers dismissed it at Outland as just an outlandish
conspiracy theory, which it was outlandish, but it wasn't a theory.
It was true. For another year. The coffin remained hidden
in the basement still, so still the public was unaware.
They kind of dismissed this wild rumor. The next year,
eighteen seventy eight, about two years after the attempted grave robbing,
(12:30):
there was another shallow grave that was dug in the
corner of the basement. They found an area where the
water table wasn't an issue, and again they buried themselves.
By this point, this group had now christened themselves the
Lincoln Guard of Honor, and it was a public group.
So people knew about the Lincoln Guard of Honor, but
(12:52):
they thought that they were just caring and guarding the tomb.
They didn't know that they were actually hiding the bottom
of Abraham Lincoln. So now four years later, Mary Todd
Lincoln dies and Robert is just as concerned about Mary
Todd Lincoln's body, So there's a funeral at the tomb.
(13:13):
She is placed inside of a crypt, but shortly after
the funeral, the crypt is open and her coffin is
removed down to the basement as well. For five years,
Mary Todd Lincoln and Abraham Lincoln were buried in the
basement in a very shallow grave until eighteen eighty seven.
(13:34):
This is when finally there was a more secure attempt
to secure the coffins of Mary Todd and Abraham Lincoln.
Eleven years Abraham Lincoln's remains were kept in the basement,
they were disinterred, they were placed beneath eighteen inches of
(13:54):
cement and secured in what was believed to be their
final resting places. Under these eighteen inches of cement, they
are now secure and there will be no need to
worry about grave robbers or anyone moving the coffin again. Now,
once again, when they did this final move and they
secured the coffins of Abraham Lincoln and Mary Todd Lincoln
(14:17):
beneath this cement layer, the coffins were opened. It was
written the body was found to be in a remarkable
state of preservation and easily recognized. But it was also
written that Abraham Lincoln's face was more of a bronze
car For thirteen years, Abraham Lincoln's body was undisturbed until
(14:41):
it was determined that the Lincoln Memorial Tomb was sinking
and they needed to reconstruct the entire thing. So once again,
Stonemasons were called, and they needed to chip into those
eighteen inches of cement to get to the coffins to
move that again. Now it's tough to keep up with
how many times that Lincoln's coffin was actually moved. Estimates
(15:04):
range between a dozen times or up to seventeen or
eighteen times. Many of those times the coffin was opened
and the morbidly curious took a look at Abraham Lincoln's features.
But they closed the coffin for one final time September
twenty sixth, nineteen oh one. When you go there today,
(15:27):
you can walk inside, You can walk through the memorial tomb.
You can see the cryps that contain the remains of
Mary of Abraham Lincoln's children, Eddie who died before he
was president, Willie who died in the White House, and
Tad who died at the age of eighteen, and then
(15:47):
Robert Todd. Lincoln lived a full life. He's not buried
at the crypt. He's buried in Arlington Cemetery, though, because
he was later Secretary of War under James Garfield.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And a terrific job by the production editing and storytelling
by our own Monte Montgomery. A special thanks to Lewis Picone.
His book The President Is Dead covers every presidential death.
Pick it up at Amazon with the usual suspects. Lewis
also told a terrific story to our American stories about
(16:20):
President Grant's whom our Lincoln stories, my goodness, probably more
stories about Lincoln than anybody. The story behind the story
of the Gettysburg Address, with a terrific reenactment by a
Lincoln impersonator. We have the last days of Lincoln's life,
the short, happy life of Abraham Lincoln. We have Robert
(16:42):
Todd Lincoln's story. We have Lincoln on the Verge, his
thirteen day trip from Springfield to Washington, d C. To
become president, and now we avoided multiple assassination plots. We
also have a story about Lincoln the lawyer, Lincoln the wrestler.
He wrestled some bullies, some town bully He's when he
was young. And also Lincoln the first wired president, the
(17:05):
story of Lincoln's not so peaceful rest. Here on our
American stories
This is Lee Habib and this is our American Stories,
the show where America is the star and the American people,
and we love to hear stories from you. Send them
to our American Stories dot com. There's some of our favorites.
When Abraham Lincoln was put into his opulent one hundred
and seventeen foot tall tomb, he was laid to rest,
(00:32):
it's certainly not in peace. Here to tell the story
of Abraham Lincoln's turbulent post mortem experience is Lewis pecone
author of the President is Dead, Take it away, Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Inside of the tomb there is a sarcophagus and the
coffin was placed inside of that sarcophasics. It's about a
five hundred pound coffin is guarded by an iron fence
with a lock, and that's it. That lock in, that
iron gate was all that protected Abraham Lincoln. In eighteen
(01:11):
seventy six, there was an attempt to steal Abraham Lincoln's body.
A small time gang in Illinois and Chicago was led
by a guy named Big Jim Conally, and Canally had
fallen on hard times when his ace counterfeitter, Benjamin Boyd,
had been arrested in prison, so his gang was losing
lots of money because they couldn't print their own This
(01:33):
was a time when counterfeiting was a huge problem, and
actually the Secret Service that was formed under Abraham Lincoln
wasn't formed to protect the president. It was formed to
combat counterfeiters. It was such a massive problem. So Canally
was on hard times and he was sitting in this
(01:55):
rundown bar called the Hub in Chicago. Now, coincidentally, this
was also a bar that Canally owned or co owned,
So he spent a lot of time here at the Hub,
and he came up with his idea to steal Abraham
Lincoln's body, And he was gonna steal the body, bring
it to the sand dunes in Indiana, bury it in
the sand, and hold it ransom for the release of
(02:18):
Benjamin Boyd and two hundred thousand dollars to boot. Interestingly,
one of the few decorations in the Hub was a
bust of Abraham Lincoln. So I like to think of
Canally sitting there at the bar trying to figure out
how do we bust Benjamin Boyd out of prison, and
(02:40):
looking up at Abraham Lincoln's bust and getting the idea, Hey,
why don't we steal his body? Now, this sounds like
a hair brain scheme. It sounds like a like some
sort of ridiculous scheme that would have no chance of succeeding.
But again, Lincoln's body was only guarded by this iron
(03:02):
gate with a padlock. Anyone with a sledgehammer can break
this lock. So he recruited a gang of five people
to actually pull this off, and Canally wasn't on the scene.
He kind of kept his hands clean. They also came
up with the date of doing this on election night
of eighteen seventy six. This was when Rutherford B. Hayes
(03:24):
was facing off against Samuel Tilden, and they assumed that
the nation would be distracted, they would be more focused
on the election, not worried about Abraham Lincoln's tomb, and
it might give them more cover and give them more
time to get away. It should also be noted that
stealing a body wasn't as unusual as it sounds today,
(03:48):
and grave robbing was not only relatively common compared to today,
but it was also relatively big business because grave robbers
would then sell the cadavers to hospitals and medical facilities.
Which would them use them for experiments, And these medical
facilities didn't really ask many questions of where the bodies
came from. Now that wasn't Canally's plan to sell the body.
(04:12):
But just two years after this attempted grave robbing attempt,
this attempted grave robbing just two years after the body
of another president's father was stolen, and that was Benjamin Harrison.
His remains were stolen in eighteen seventy eight, and luckily
they were found before they were carved up by a
(04:32):
medical facility. So that's like another weird story, but that
just goes to show how this was possible. So Canally
recruits a gang of five people to steal Abraham Lincoln's body.
Little did he know that two of those five people
(04:54):
were also paid informants for the Secret Service. They were
getting five dollars a day from the Secret Service to
inform on criminals like Big Jim Kennelly. So once they
got recruited, they turned to the Secret Service and they
told them about this plant. So the Secret Service was
(05:16):
waiting inside one of the chambers in the Memorial tomb
on November seventh, eighteen seventy six. The gang easily sawed
off the lock and entered the tomb. They just as
easily took the lid off of the sarcophagus, but then
they discovered it wasn't that easy to remove a five
hundred pound leadline coffin, so it took them a while
(05:38):
and they managed to pull it out about fifteen inches. Now,
the Secret Service is hiding in another room in the tomb,
just waiting for that ideal moment to catch these criminals
right handed. But before that ideal moment came, one of
the Secret Service agents accidentally fired off his gun. Hearing
(05:58):
this bullet, the criminal ran, but with one of the informants' help,
they pretty easily tracked down the criminals three days later
and they were arrested. Now, at the time, stealing a
body wasn't a crime, so they couldn't charge them with
stealing a body. Instead, they charged the criminals with attempting
(06:19):
to steal a seventy five dollars casket. Big Jim Canally
was never charged with the scheme, but instead was arrested
for another crime and ended up going to jail. But
the criminals who were actually attempting to steal the coffin,
they each got a year in the Illinois State Penitentiary.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And what a story you've been listening to. This is
just one of those hair brained schemes that actually could
have worked if the Secret Service hadn't infiltrated his little
gang of five. Little did Big Jim canally know that
two of his guys were you know, CI's confidential informants,
whether then Nason and new Secret Service, which job primarily
(07:02):
wasn't to guard the presidents of our country, but to
guard our currency and to stop counterfeiting which was out
of control at the time. When we come back more
of Lewis pecone his storytelling about Abraham Lincoln. Here on
Our American Stories, this is Lee Habib, host of Our
(07:31):
American Stories, the show where America is the star and
the American people, and we do it all from the
heart of the South Oxford, Mississippi. But we truly can't
do this show without you. Our shows will always be
free to listen to, but they're not free to make.
If you love what you hear, consider making a tax
deductible donation to our American Stories. Go to our American
(07:52):
Stories dot com, Give a little, give a lot, that's
our American Stories dot com, and we returned to our
(08:20):
American stories in the story of Abraham Lincoln's brush well,
a ragtag group of grave robbers after his death. When
we last left off, the Secret Service had foiled an
attempt to steal Lincoln's body and bury it for ransom
in the sand dunes of Indiana. After this, security enhancements
that the tomb were needed, and a group of men
(08:42):
took it upon themselves to provide just such measures. Let's
return to the story here again is Lewis Picone.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So just imagine the horror of Verry Todd Lincoln and
Robert Todd Lincoln when they discovered how close this gang
came to stealing Abraham Lincoln's body, Because if it wasn't
for these two gang members that were also moonlighting for
the Secret Service, there was a real good chance that
(09:16):
they would have gotten away with this plot. It was
so easy to break in there and to remove the sarcophagus.
So Robert Todd Lincoln, really representing the family, was adamant
that the body needed to be better protected, but they
didn't know what to do. There was no other There
(09:37):
was no easy way to make the coffin more secure.
So the caretakers at the oak Ridge Cemetery came up
with the plan, and they decided to gather a group
of men, swear them to secrecy, and secretly remove the
coffin from the sarcophagus and hide it in the basement
(09:58):
of the Lincoln Memorial to This was down in the basement.
There was no ventilation, It was damp, it stunk down there,
and in the basement it was just ground. It wasn't
even over concrete. This is now over ground. So they
dug a hole into the ground and attempted to bury
(10:22):
the coffin. They knew it wasn't secure, but they figured
their advantage was nobody knew that the grave was there.
Everybody thought the coffin was still inside of the sarcophonist,
so they knew that burying the coffin in the basement
under the ground wasn't secure, But their advantage was that
nobody knew it was there, so as long as it
(10:43):
was a secret, they felt that Lincoln's coffin was safe.
First time they dug a hole, waters started to steep in,
so they found another spot and instead of burying the coffin,
they hid the coffin covered beneath plywood. Now nobody really
(11:04):
went into the basement except for the caretakers and this
small group of self reclaimed guardians. They felt that it
was safe down there, and it was for about another
year or so. The next year, in eighteen seventy seven,
(11:24):
there was two bronze sculptured that were placed by the
entrance of the tomb, and construction workers were at the
site and they needed access to the basement. So the
caretakers were forced to bring these construction workers in on
their secret. So they let them know, all right, we'll
let you go down to the basement, but that's where
(11:45):
Lincoln's coffin is hidden. But you can't tell anyone about this.
The construction workers said, yeah, we won't tell anyone about it,
and very quickly all Springfield was buzzing about this rumor
that Abraham Lincoln isn't in that sarcophagus, he's in the basement. Now.
(12:06):
The caretakers dismissed it at Outland as just an outlandish
conspiracy theory, which it was outlandish, but it wasn't a theory.
It was true. For another year. The coffin remained hidden
in the basement still, so still the public was unaware.
They kind of dismissed this wild rumor. The next year,
eighteen seventy eight, about two years after the attempted grave robbing,
(12:30):
there was another shallow grave that was dug in the
corner of the basement. They found an area where the
water table wasn't an issue, and again they buried themselves.
By this point, this group had now christened themselves the
Lincoln Guard of Honor, and it was a public group.
So people knew about the Lincoln Guard of Honor, but
(12:52):
they thought that they were just caring and guarding the tomb.
They didn't know that they were actually hiding the bottom
of Abraham Lincoln. So now four years later, Mary Todd
Lincoln dies and Robert is just as concerned about Mary
Todd Lincoln's body, So there's a funeral at the tomb.
(13:13):
She is placed inside of a crypt, but shortly after
the funeral, the crypt is open and her coffin is
removed down to the basement as well. For five years,
Mary Todd Lincoln and Abraham Lincoln were buried in the
basement in a very shallow grave until eighteen eighty seven.
(13:34):
This is when finally there was a more secure attempt
to secure the coffins of Mary Todd and Abraham Lincoln.
Eleven years Abraham Lincoln's remains were kept in the basement,
they were disinterred, they were placed beneath eighteen inches of
(13:54):
cement and secured in what was believed to be their
final resting places. Under these eighteen inches of cement, they
are now secure and there will be no need to
worry about grave robbers or anyone moving the coffin again. Now,
once again, when they did this final move and they
secured the coffins of Abraham Lincoln and Mary Todd Lincoln
(14:17):
beneath this cement layer, the coffins were opened. It was
written the body was found to be in a remarkable
state of preservation and easily recognized. But it was also
written that Abraham Lincoln's face was more of a bronze
car For thirteen years, Abraham Lincoln's body was undisturbed until
(14:41):
it was determined that the Lincoln Memorial Tomb was sinking
and they needed to reconstruct the entire thing. So once again,
Stonemasons were called, and they needed to chip into those
eighteen inches of cement to get to the coffins to
move that again. Now it's tough to keep up with
how many times that Lincoln's coffin was actually moved. Estimates
(15:04):
range between a dozen times or up to seventeen or
eighteen times. Many of those times the coffin was opened
and the morbidly curious took a look at Abraham Lincoln's features.
But they closed the coffin for one final time September
twenty sixth, nineteen oh one. When you go there today,
(15:27):
you can walk inside, You can walk through the memorial tomb.
You can see the cryps that contain the remains of
Mary of Abraham Lincoln's children, Eddie who died before he
was president, Willie who died in the White House, and
Tad who died at the age of eighteen, and then
(15:47):
Robert Todd. Lincoln lived a full life. He's not buried
at the crypt. He's buried in Arlington Cemetery, though, because
he was later Secretary of War under James Garfield.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And a terrific job by the production editing and storytelling
by our own Monte Montgomery. A special thanks to Lewis Picone.
His book The President Is Dead covers every presidential death.
Pick it up at Amazon with the usual suspects. Lewis
also told a terrific story to our American stories about
(16:20):
President Grant's whom our Lincoln stories, my goodness, probably more
stories about Lincoln than anybody. The story behind the story
of the Gettysburg Address, with a terrific reenactment by a
Lincoln impersonator. We have the last days of Lincoln's life,
the short, happy life of Abraham Lincoln. We have Robert
(16:42):
Todd Lincoln's story. We have Lincoln on the Verge, his
thirteen day trip from Springfield to Washington, d C. To
become president, and now we avoided multiple assassination plots. We
also have a story about Lincoln the lawyer, Lincoln the wrestler.
He wrestled some bullies, some town bully He's when he
was young. And also Lincoln the first wired president, the
(17:05):
story of Lincoln's not so peaceful rest. Here on our
American stories
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