Bob the Drag Queen: Meet Me By the French Fries

Last week, Madison talked with Monét X Change, so it’s only fitting that today we have the other half of “Sibling Rivalry” on the pod– it’s “RuPaul’s Drag Race” Season 8 winner, Bob the Drag Queen!

Drag superstar, comedian, Madonna’s MC– Bob’s adding “author” to an already impressive resume, with his new book "Harriet Tubman: Live in Concert!" But before getting into that, Madison and Bob talk Drag Race, douching etiquette, sobriety, and concealed carry– if you needed another reason not to mess with Maddie.

Bob talks about his lifelong obsession with Harriet Tubman and everything she accomplished in her long life. Bob shares his favorite photo of Harriet looking regal as hell in her 90s and the book’s heartfelt dedication to Bob’s late mother, as well as anecdotes from his research.

Manifestation is a big theme in this episode– from historical examples to personal ones. These are southern girls, so we’re mixing scripture and spells– from reflecting on Harriet Tubman’s spirituality, to on-air-manifesting Madison’s next collab. And Bob talks about getting a glowing review from his favorite performers of all time– is the key to meeting your heroes getting them tattooed on your body? Or maybe just a mood board…

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Don't wait now two inches bed bd bed bum.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yourself, get a job o ricking honey, rick hoon.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Cha, I'm black like that? He about living. It's color easy,
this is Outlaws, but she is medicine.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, honey, here we are loud liveing
in color.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Is it on? Is it on?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Is this thing recording? This is your girl.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Tis madisone coming to you loud live from the Outlaws
podcast with none other than the host Tis Madison.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
She's here, She's here.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Not only is she here, she has an amazing guest listen,
this podcast always brings amazing guests.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
She has an amazing guest who is a friend.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Who is a person that I've I've loved, who I
had the opportunity to walk backstage when she won Rue
Paul's Drag Race, and I hugged her neck and I
explained to her that I was so proud to see
black like that in the motherfucking building.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Ladies and gentlemen, put your.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Hand together for RuPaul's Drag Race, winner for Author, for
the for the Real Winner of Traders.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Bob the Drag Queen. Yes, honey, and the crowd goes wild.
They always do. Bob, listen, listen. I thank you for
being here. You know I had Monette.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, yes, yes, I promise you that I have to
come to the Sibling Rivalry rivalryes Park.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh please, Oh, we would love to have you. It
would be an honor.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
How should you come? Make it? La?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I just let got home from LA four o'clock this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh, I was there.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
You were here.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I was here, I was here, I was there. I'll
be back in LA because we're still we're filming the
new season of drag Race. Isn't it amazing that you know,
by the time it's come out, it'll be announced. But
isn't it amazing that drag Race is going on now?
This is eighteen eighteen seasons so I was eight seasons ago.
I was season eight. We are now double where I

(02:23):
was double. I mean, you know, the fans really advocated
very strongly to get you to be a permanent Yes,
they did. Like we were, I mean we I am
the fans were. We were showing, we were showing ourselves out,
we were causing a scene.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
And I thank you all, definitely you because you know
your voice is big there.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Your voice is big. Monete's voices big, like all the girls'
voices are big. But I thank you guys for doing
that because and.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Then Rule loved me.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh my god, you know Mother loves me. Yes, listen,
me and mother. Listen when when mother gives you her
phone number and y'all start texting the stuck with each other.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Mother loves because.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I've not got I've gotten, I've not gotten the number.
She would never she would never give me a phone number.
But me and Ru have a very different relationship, you
know what I mean. I was a competitor on the show,
so I think when you're a competitor, she there's a
little bit of distance, but I respect it. I respect
Rue to a level that I can barely even quantify
or articulate. So just seeing Ru every once in a
while at the Emmys, seeing Ru. I saw I run

(03:22):
through the airport one time. Wait a minute, does she
remember when you? Well no, yeah, So one ti Ime'm
at the airport. She walked up to me. She walked
up to me first, and she was like, oh my goodness.
I was like, oh my god, Ru, Paul, what are
you doing here? She was like hooking, hooking, at JFK Airport.
So you know, a girl still gotta make money. Yeah,

(03:44):
I love her because she people what people don't know
about Ruis does she's.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Can I say this?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I guess it's my show, right, Yeah, you can say
whatever you want, as white as they try to make
Ruis black, no real black, We're black. Did they bleep
with us here? Because I want to tell you something
she said to me. If you want to bleep, Okay,
that's up to you all to believe you. You'll decide
you want to believe it. When we were filming season
eight of Drag Race, I'll never forget this. We were
they had this one thing on our scene called the

(04:11):
shade Room or the It was like this, they never
use it again. It was a place we can go
and do interviews by yourself, no producer. Just go in
there and spill your thoughts and RuPaul just goes. And
this season we're introducing something called the shade Room. And
if you got stuff you want to get off your chest,
just let a nigga know. And I remember being like,
oh my god, yes we're home, Yes we out here,

(04:33):
we in these streets and you felt that yes, yeah,
And I think that That's another reason why she got
her daughter, because she knows I'm her black daughter. Yes, yes,
I ain't just how regular do I'm her black daughter.
I also love that, you know, in the world of
the of the girls, the dolls, the trans girls in
the world, you have the Laverne Coxes, and you have

(04:54):
the the Peppermints, and you have the uh Hope jasell
I Hope Jaselle's and the girls who are like with
the dow You need that. But I love when the
girls try to come for you, or these biggest the
maggots trying to come for you on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
You be like, baby, I'm not Yeah, I'm not none
of them.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'm not one of them. I'm gonna come outside and
burn your column. Yes I'm not one of them. Yeah,
I'm coming outside with my motherfucking oozy and I'm blowing
your shiit up.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I told a story about you one time on the podcast.
Did I ever tell you?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I told the story about your time on the podcast.
So one time you and I were at Peppermint show,
Oh yeah, at City Winery and Peppermint was on stage.
She was telling the story about how how tough it
is for trans girls to date and how scary it is.
So it's really really scary, and you were just sitting
next to me and you're like, you were like, it

(05:43):
is really scary. And then I said, I say, I
can I can only imagine there are a couple of transgirls.
And the audience been like yeah, yeah. And then you
said and that's why. Then I don't know if you
remember you took my hand. You probably don't remember this.
You took my hand and you put it on your
titty and you moved it up and down and you
said you feel that. And I said, I felt something
something that was something sturdy up in there.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh yeah, my pistols.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, that was something sturdy. I said, baby, let me
get ready. I never fought more safe. That was my firearm.
And there, I said, if anything goes down, oh yeah, mother,
I'm too tall to stand behind you. I'm like, get down,
I got this. I'm I'm older tea, got this, Get down,

(06:28):
Get down there. I was like, oh lord, wait a minute,
get down there, and I'm gonna be dunking. I'm gonna
be ducking it, brover. I'm about to fun some ship
up over there and over that to the left, and
mind you come on. I'm gonna help you out with
that story. I was actually eating eating a hamburger and
all at the same time, and I said.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
You said you feel that.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I said, oh my god, I said you feel that
right now. You ain't got nothing to worry about. I
set it off in this mon But what you gotta
respect about and this is what I respect about you too.
I've been unapologetically mean. I've been authentically mean. Black like that,

(07:12):
black like that like. I don't think people when I
did that ship and Beyonce picked that up, I don't
think we really understood what black like that meant.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Black like that.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Man. I'm sitting, I'm I can make potato salad, I
can fry chicken, I'll eat watermelon. I whoop ass, I
go to the club and will take my shoes off
of my feet here and the walk barefoot, O side.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's black like that. I'm holding.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, I'm gonna be comfortable. I'm gonna be comfortable. You
can take the girl out of Florida, but you can't.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Take Florida out of the girls. God damn it, you can't.
What I'm ghoules floor, gooles floor, I.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Said, where you from? She's like goos. She said, like
we all know goods, you know goods. And because I
thought you was from Miami, I'm from Clayton County. Oh
you from your from right here here so long? You
know you just said my accent is yeah, you sound
like you're from Georgia. What my my folks, my my
family originates here, Okay besides Africa obviously, yes, yes, they

(08:14):
originate from here. You still got family here? Well, yeah, yeah,
that's right, that's right. I watched I watched the show. Yeah,
I got my brother. I went home and film in Florida.
But I do still have family. I have a lot
of cousins and king. I got a lot of Kim folks.
They all over in these counties and stuff like that.
I keep away because I don't want to ask me
for no money. You know, there are certain family members

(08:35):
when you know you're getting a tex that certain family
who texted to how you're doing. There's that one when
they text truck, they give you one or two courtesy texts,
hey man, how you doing? Yeah, I'm good? How does
it work? Works? Great? You know these bills, they don't

(08:55):
even talking about the bills. It's just I need just
straight to can you give me hop to send me,
send me. One of my friends said that his sisters
just she don't even call. She just send it more requests.
I don't get into that's what listen. He just looked
down in the phone, just say send me for the dollars.
And because of that, I don't know if you guys
know I turn off the requests from oh cash, Yeah,

(09:17):
you can turn off. I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, turn your request off.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh so there's a certain amount of money I should
know if you have a family member who's asking for
In my opinion, this is a hot take. It might
not be true, but if you have a family member
who's asking for less than thirty dollars at a time,
they're up to no good. If it's like, canna get
ten dollars, I would google the price of cracking the neighborhood. Really, Yeah,
for sure. I don't think they smoke. These people are

(09:41):
doing this fitting off stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Oh the fitting I don't even know what fitting all calls.
I don't know what all costs. Did you do that?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Did you do that? Oh? My god, he don't do that.
Don't do Is it the same as meth? I think
it's different. I think fitting all. I've so for sixteen years,
so I don't even know, but I think that fitting
on makes I'm about I'm about to make up something
I don't know, but I know it's deadly. So when
you say you've been sober for sixteen years, Bob, what

(10:11):
does that mean? That's alcohol? That is marijuana, that is
popping pills. But marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is
from the earth. It's just a it's just mind altering substances. Right,
So like, I don't I don't do those kind of things,
not even during sex, not even during sex. I just
I'm a raw dog in life. Well I raw dog, right,
but but I add a layer in sex now Now,

(10:38):
I didn't used to do it. What you be doing girl?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh that's crazy, that's real. I don't put nothing up
my nose, Okay, I'd rather go up my ass did
my nose.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
But still, I don't do poppers. But I don't do
that paper stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't need my ass to relax like that, because
did trade will really take advantage. You need a little pushback.
If my ass relaxes like that, it's gonna go to
work backy. No, So I have gotten into the Okay,

(11:15):
there's a drink that I found on Instagram. And you
can find so much stuff on Instagram, like you can
find I can find you on Instagram. You can find
me on Instagram. You can find RuPaul drag Race on Instagram.
A TikTok, but you can. I found this drink. It
was called now and this is a shameless plug. But
if they're listening out there, we do need your sponsorship
sponsor next season. Nowadays it's called nowadays. You can drink

(11:39):
the mary. I see you shaking your head. You know
about it. You can drink the marijuana. And it's like
it's either five. I found it on Instagram, thet they
got they got plugs on Instagram, Instagram.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
The plug it's five five.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Pcgs five?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
There we go, it's five milligrams TC and then it's
ten milligram. They have it in sparkling sodas and they
have it in like a lemonade. But it tastes good, bitch,
It tastes like lemonade.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
So I poured it up.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Sometimes I mix it with something else or whatever, Like
I mixed it with a kool Aid and grawl. So
this one night in particular. You know, we haven't even
gotten into the top of the stuff. This is I
told him, already told them wet. So this one night
in particular, I poured it. This is the very first
time that I got you know that I added this

(12:38):
substance to my sexual activity. So I poured it and
I was like, yeah, just kick here for nothing. And
I'm up there, just dush and growl, because you know,
I'm a I'm a verse bottom.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
There it is there, it is versatile bottom, famously. So I'm.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And for a while the water was just running, and
I found myself cackling more than doush.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It you just they just cleaning the stream, clean, cleaning.
I'm just cleaning.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I lost track of time.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I've lost track of time. Trade texting me. I'm looking
over there at my phone like yeah, I wait, tasty
for the other room. No on my phone, I got
my phone there.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh no, I would never, doush, I trade there. I've
had someone do that. I've had someone do while you
while I was while I was waiting.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I don't mind it, honestly, No, I can't do that,
your doush while I'm waiting. I'm very bout. I'm friendly.
So if you need to do if you like frazy thing,
I would rather us be in the same vicinity, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I've had someone douche. I was like, they were
in there. They were in there.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
It was in their homes, so it wasn't like a hotel.
You know, hotels have much less privacy, right, even the
suite has less privacy. But I was like sitting, I
was playing uh P S five and they were just
doing anything and we had a good old time.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it, Bob.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know why I couldn't do it because and I
wouldn't do it while he's there because I okay, so
I'm gonna this is how this this is not gonna
lead to the story. Okay, So the phone was over there,
the trade texted me like, wave me, what's up? It's
getting laid. I'm like, it's only eleven. Bitch was already
one screaming, So I don't I feel like I do?

(14:19):
And I also take a deal dough okay to to
go in there. I need to make sure if the
deal dough clean, the did gonna be clean? You say,
like it's a drag name give it off a deal. Deal.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Don't walk into the stage the drag king de deal.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
He's gonna your right up.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's deal deal do.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
So I put the deal dough in there, and I
make sure and I just and I always try to
like push out, push out, push out to make sure
and like I was so I was clean. And even
right when I think that I'm clean, I will roll
around on the floor in the bathroom, on the floor
so I'm high doing this on high. I mean, I've

(15:06):
done the squads where you're like squat down, you like
put your kneesy chest. But I ain't never I ain't
never done, yo, I ain't never done yoga. You gotta
roll around and stuff because if you getting if you
got a vicious trade, that's fucking you down. You gotta
understand it. If you roll, he gonna roll your I'm
a big girl. I'm a I'm a plus size girl.

(15:26):
So if he rolling my big ass over, it's some
stuff in.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
There gonna move around. You moving a house full of ship.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I need to know if you have cameras in your house.
One day this footage needs to be released.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Maddie Button Naked rolling around the.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Sing singing dude saying, dude me baby, I can never
done before. So I get up, I'm ready. I get
back in the shower because I don't trust it.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Mm hmm. I get out the shower.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
One can so me and tray In are getting together
probably a boat three but it's tomorrow. Yeah, you take them, y'all,
y'all okay, so so so what so one thirty come,
I done, got up, I got in a shower and
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Then I had a little I felt a little bubble.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Uh that I've had this experience. It's a bubble. This
is why I can't let them dosh with me. So
it's a bubble. And I was like, oh god, I
got to go ahead and put this deal though back
in there, hondey. I go back and I started ramming
the deal though. And so you know it's that it's
that lining that comes out, Yeah, that mucus. One time
I had, I had the bubbles on the train on

(16:41):
the way. I thought, I did what I need to do,
and I was I was on the train. I was
on the one train headed north and you know the
train doing this yeah, And I said, I said, oh yes,
So I'm going to try, like, oh my god, I
have to run into this man's apartment and he was
apartment sitting. It wasn't even his apartment. I had to

(17:01):
run his men. I was like, this is crazy. I
had to go into his bathroom and I had to
take care of myself. But I ain't took care of myself.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
But it's still like, this.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Is why I don't so, I'm so so. But what
it is it's not the it's not pool, it's the
but it's the goo. It's like the mush. I think
you might be docing too far. Listen the type of dick,
because I like, I have to go far because if
the if, if the if, the the mucus lining is
coming out. If you're if you're upper intestines, yeah, I'm clean.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
This I think you might be going too far.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm clean because you know what you think about the colon,
it turns, it'd be twisting and turning.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
So if the trade is is hefty, they just straightening
you out because the colon is like this.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
So when someone they just taking all that and just
straightening it out, like putting the like putting your foot
in the sock. Well, I'm clean were you clean? So
after that I got up and I was like, oh
and you still yeah? And I got back in the
shower and I got a really huge shower and so

(18:07):
I put my foot up and I white and wash
it and then I got it and then I, oh,
it's the whole ritual I do.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
That's why I have so.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
The scent of the oil you use. When do you
have a scent that used when when trade come over?
It's called cookie butter. Cookie. Oh that sounds good. Yeah,
it's called cookie butter. I know you can smell me now.
I usually do this the cookie, but this is not
cookie butter. This is this is this is ain't trying
to turn me on over here. I usually put the
cook cookie butter on and put it in between my
thought because I'm because I'm plus sized, and I want

(18:37):
to I want a man to always be like that
bitchless smells and taste like a dessert. Black women do
little smell like food. They were like, this is a
cookie butter, chocolate vanilla sunday. You know, always some sort
of a delicate delicatest. Is very delicate me another great
drag name give it for Della delicate for Jella. It's

(18:59):
so so, I put all my stuff on whatever he
get there, He's like, damn baby, this minutes so good.
You looking so good because I already got I already
got my red lipstick one because red lipstick and Blue
Eyes Shadow. I learned this from one of our guests
that was here. Well, not learned it, but I understood it.
It was a Chapel Rome was a guest on our
show work I Love Chapel, and she came and she

(19:20):
was talking about how, uh, porn and a prostitution was
a link to Blue Eye Shadow. I have said on
my podcast, blue Eyes Shadow is Sludyhow that comes from
Linda Lovelace and all that porn the seventies porn from

(19:42):
Deep Throat? Oh, do anybody hear be googling? Any staff? Google? No? Okay,
there's this one porn star in New York City. She
had a song called bang my Box something, and she
always wore a white nail polish. I cannot remember her now.
I did a show with her one time in New
York City, but that was another thing in port to
the white polish. This one woman to wear this white
nail polish all the time, and she's kind of became

(20:05):
like it just kind of became a porn thing. Yeah,
like that's why I like the white tips on my toes.
Probably I don't know the middle stuff like that. Like
so it's the blue eyes, shadow and red lips. I'll
have that on tonight because I might have to you know,
you know, could stop by and so honey, bitch, he goes,

(20:26):
baby God loving all on me, loving rightful. So I'm already,
I'm so high.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm in it. Like he has a really big dick.
I am if you can, if you preparent like this,
he got a really big.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Dick and so we was in the I mean, tearing
me up. And I rolled over to him and I said,
maybe he was sucking me so good. They like to
hear that, and he wrote he kissed me and the
map was like I love you. I'm like, he said,
do you love me? I said no, I did not
confuse fucking with love. And I said, you're fucking me

(21:00):
so good? You talking about love? Baby?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
What is going you love me?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I said no, I'm about to call it uber.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
If you don't stop, I don't I don't love you.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Have you ever called a hookups uber? So?

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Could they be talking like yeah, your.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Car, yes, you ain't ready, your pants ain't up. I
think that's the man in us. I think the woman
in us wants the six and then the man that's
just like, okay, you gotta go. You my god? Was
it Jennifer Jennier Jennifer Lewis. She had a show called
h Oh my God? Wasn't name of that sho John
Lewis had on It was a show with uh anyway

(21:39):
where she played like the head of HSN network or something,
and she would have these hookups come over and then
as soon as they were done hooking up her like
maid would come downstairs with a gift basket. But I
thank you so much for your time today. Here's a
T shirt, here's a gift card, here's some some snacks.
Your cards waiting for you downstairs, and they would gag them,

(22:00):
Oh gag. I want you to understand the power in
that as a woman or as fem energy, as energy
not just not just a female, but as fem energy.
It doesn't emasculate the man, but it makes the man
understand the type of bitchy with It makes a man
understand like I'm with a Yeah, I'm with a boss pit.

(22:22):
Yeah for sure. Hey, I don't give a fuck how
good my dick is. I will never be able to rule.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Her because she's gonna send me home. Yeah, she go home.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
My mother, My mother was living rested in peace of
my mother. She's to always say whenever she went on
a date, she would never let the man's ride. She
always joke. She always said, because you could leave me somewhere,
you can get mad at me and leave me out
in the middle of the woods. You can, we can
be at the restaurant. Now I'm stuck at the at
you know, the three Dog cafe, and now I got
to find a round home. You will you will never

(22:51):
be in a position to leave me looking for a ride.
And I also like to pay for my own food.
That's amazing their food. I mean, I'll pay for the dinner.
Y'all like fight over to check or do you or
do you catch the way around the corner?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Check? Please?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And you grab it.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Because at the end of the day, it's not that
I don't need him. I don't need you.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I can like you and love you, but you can lead.
I want you to understand, like you you walking out
of my life don't mean nothing to me. Yeah, someone
someone mentioned it to me. I think it was you. Actually,
it's some term for people who are interested in It's
like polyamory, but when you're the main What was it again,

(23:38):
solo polyamory. I think I might be solo polyamory, like
I want to have, you know, lovers and multiple and people.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
But I really I'm I am my favorite person. I
am really my favorite person so much.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Okay, well I'm not really Polly, but I might be. Maybe,
I don't know, because I just don't. I'm not going
to be ruled. Yeah, I'm a goddess. I'm to be worshiped,
and I think that most people agree with that. I'm
not interested in a man having as much as control
as he thinks, you know. And I would submit. I
would submit to a gentleman, but not how he thinks

(24:13):
I would submit. Yeah, I would submit to a to
a space like.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
We'll have the maid. Have you hungry, We'll have the maid.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Get you something, but you can't cook. You want to
do the cookin We'll have the maid because we'll have
the driver, come the chaperone.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
We'll have that.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, and so maybe I think that's that's you have money, Bob,
I think this is a place you do because you
have this new book called Harriet Tubman Live in Concert.

(24:52):
You do, I do. I just, first of all, can
I tell you what happened to me though it was
so amazing. Yesterday I woke I want to read the
text here. I want to read the I'm gonna read
the text. I'm gonna tell you who sent it, and
the I'm gonna show you why this text blew my mind.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I woke up to this text. It was day through
day two, day two of my book being out. I'm
gonna read to rate day two of my book being out.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
This text said, honey, I just got my autobook audiobook
of hair tet Me Live a Concert. I'm so excited.
I just started listening to your fabulous voice. Love you,
love you, love you. And then she said, I just
want to send I want to send this book to
the folks who do the Nobel Prize for literature.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
It is that great. I don't know them, but I
want them to read this. Look who sent me that text?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Wow? And I will tell you all at home that
was I woke up to that text from Whoopee Goldberg.
Do you know how like I was? And to show
you how much that means to me, because I we
all have the people that we Okay, I'm about to
show you something. I got this years and years ago.

(26:08):
To the people who are listening who can't see, Oh,
they're gonna see. I have this giant tattoo WHOOPI Goldberg
from my wrist all the way to my elbow. I
love this woman so much. And she texts me on
the second day. I was like, this is the best
of you. I don't care what the New York Times says,

(26:29):
I don't care what nobody says. I got Whoopy Goldberg
that text me personally tell me how much she loved
my book. I was on cloud nine. I'm still on
cloud nine. I still can't believe it. Well, well, let's
get down to it. Let's get past the dushing and
fucking and stuff like that, and let's get down to it.
That was a manifestation, you think, so, yes, everything that

(26:54):
we do, especially as people of color, there's no guarantee.
Ain't no guarantee we're gonna be superstars, and no guarantee
we our show is going to get picked up.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Ain't no guarantee.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
And like with white people and especially in today's world
with white people. A white person can come out and
they can have an idea and it's like, yeah, we
go through pitch meetings or whatever. You know, there's a
possibility that it's going to get got, and then it
gets picked up and then it becomes something else. With us,

(27:31):
we got to do seventeen thousand pitch meetings for them
to fight to be like, I wonder who's going to
listen to watch you and rule America. Geh. They think
that people can't connect to us, yeah, or they'll partner
us with white people.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yes, it'll be like, well, well we'll partner you with
this white person. So then so then we can get
that market over there as well. Yeah, which is.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Why I'm really impressed by, you know, a show like
RuPaul's Drag Race or a show like your show where
you know, I think you realize like typically speaking, roughly
half the ass a drag Race, it's people of color,
like roughly half the cast almost every season it's people
of color.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
You know, the host is a lovely woman of color,
man of color, person of color.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
And for a show like that to make it but
still somehow not be labeled like a black show or
a People of Color show. It's actually quite remarkable question
to do. As much as it's done. I think it's
the most Emmy Award winning reality TV show of all time.
It is, yeah, like by a mile, but it is
because ru Paul manifested that RuPaul said, and anytime that's

(28:35):
been asked, like did you ever see yourself? Roos Oh,
I knew I was going to be a star, and
my mama knew I was going to be a star.
That's why she named me Paul because nobody else on
earth was going to have that name.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And so it's just
like you, it's about the knowing.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
You feel me. No, you don't know when, you don't
know how, but you know, yeah that was a that
was you don't know why you did that. You just said,
I love what gover full circle boom bam boom boom,
boom boom and fun. In fact, on this arm, I
have a tattoo of a woman named Carol Channing, a

(29:14):
famous probably action nam Carol Channing, who has passed away
since then. I think that she thought I didn't know
who Carol Channing was, because no, they don't know, they
don't il Carol Channing is black one eighth Octorue. But
I think she thought I didn't know that. You know,
I didn't think you you caught me, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
But somebody did her on the snatch k I think
you thought I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I did. I did. Somebody real funny. Whoever was was
like God, they were funny. It was good anyway, because
when you did it, I was like, who the no.
But so when I got to say to I love
Carol Channing, and then before she passed away, Carol Tanning
sent me a message. They played it on Drag Race.
So Carol Channing being like, oh my gotta love the
you impersonating me on the Snash game like I was

(30:09):
so honored to see you, and she was taking her nineties.
This might have been one of the last things she
ever filmed was this video, thanking me for portraying her
on the Snash gags. I need to get more tattoos.
If I need to get a tattoo of of forty million, well,
the Bible says in Habika two and two, because you

(30:31):
know we Southern girls. I'm not religious, but I have
read you've written because I'm not religious either, and I
have not read lots of the Bible. I've read passages
that are pertained. I do like the straits doing cherry
pick what works for me, honestly, ballot and fair. So
Habikah two and two says, write it down and make
it plain. So when you write it down, because it

(30:55):
comes from the thought that goes to the mouth, that
goes to the hand that makes it happen. And when
you think about the way that that creation works. Creation
works from in the beginning, God said, let there be

(31:15):
and it was God said, I spoke it, and it became.
I'm not gonna lie her bika sound like a strainer.
It's marijuana. Let me let me get the Indica. And
I'd like the Habika two and two. Please let me

(31:37):
get the Hebika two and two. I'd like the Hobika
two and two. I said, write it down to make
But this is why everything on my vision board. I did.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Give me a vision boarding.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I used to have one. I used to have it.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
So you don't have to keep riding on your bike.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm gonna run out of space eventually. Yeah, run a
space to a vision board. Do a vision bard of
the things that you have not achieved yet and and
and because you you've seen it somewhere in a flash
and a dream and of this, that's why you.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
You tattooed it.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's why you because it's already, it's already, it's a
part of what it's supposed to manifest for you. What's
the last tattoo you got? How reason was that? On
the right shoulder?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
The other one on the left shoulder, it's spiders.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
How reason was it? Oh, there's been years. I haven't
gotten a tattooed minute one. I have a lot of well,
I have a I have a reconophobia. Actually I'm afraid
of spiders because I but I like spiders on me
because it's a warning to men when you when you're

(32:50):
hitting from the back, look over the shoulder, bit when
you get when you hitting on the back, or you
getting on top of me, because I have yes, because
it's you in the web, but you're hitting it slurfing,
You're going to see you're going to be trapped in
this on your hand, You're gonna be trapped in this
web forever. I have ducks. I have two ducks on

(33:11):
my thigh. What is that symbolize? You know? I just
really like ducks. I feel like I if I was
an animal, I would be a duck. They're very funny,
they're they're also kind of aggressive.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Don't let my sister come back as a duck in
another life. I would love to be a duck, a mallard.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Let me come back as a mallard living in the
Oki Finokie swamp right here in Georgia. Don't say that,
because next thing you know, you'll be peaking duck. Yeah,
the grand chi I'm going to be, I'm going to
be avoiding. I'm gonna be a slick duck. I'm like, hey,
ain't nobody about to cook me up? Honey?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, I think duck all ducks. Well, that's it. It's
because it's greasy.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It's very greasy. Yeah, And that's usually what I call
trade when I'm talking about trade, I'm like, girl, trade duck?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Is it because it's greasy?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
But duck, for what I understood for white people have
symbolized wealth when they be out duck hutting. All the
kings and queens that you out there duck hunting, they
be doing all that duck suff Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
They always fighting like ducks, and they be having those duck.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Figurines and things like those staffordship pieces that are ducks
and dogs. They're so cute. Don't you love their voices?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh my god, they're so cute.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I love ducks so much. Well, I love duck when
it's really greasy on my back. I'm not like a
big black dunk, big big black dunk. But I just
what this just helps me looking at you and hearing
you say this. This is so many things that you
manifested in your life. Did you manifest winning Drag Race too?

(34:38):
I will say this when they called me up, when
they called me, I never told the story how I
got on drag Race. It's kind of a crazy story.
So I was on a cruise ship. Do you know
you know who Katherine and Jimmy is. She's the big
the Big Girlfriend's track, the Big the Big Nuns and
the Big Nun from hocus Pocus. Yes, so we did
a cruise ship together. You've done what you ever done?
One of the cruises?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
You don't do the water No, I do cruises. But
I thought you'd been one of the drag cruises.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, no, I do the gay cruise. I haven't done
the drag cruises now, I haven't done any of the
gay cup I've only I've only went.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Living my life.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's real fish as a participant. You've never been an entertainer. Okay,
got it.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
So I was on I mean, I'm entertained on the
CRUSI I mean in the in the in the cabin,
in the state room exactly. That's a whole different experience.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I was in the So I was, I was
doing my show, and Katherine and Jimmie was like, my god,
you're so good, You're so good. Come up, come up,
Come upstairs with me. Meet me by the I never forget,
she said, meet me by the French Fries. I'll never
give this this. Meet me by the French Fries. I
met her up by the French Fries. And then she
just said, hold on one second.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Poo poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo,
poo poo.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
How many numbers of that? Those too many numbers? And
then she said the person didn't ask. She said, listen, RuPaul,
I am sitting with the next winner of your show.
You need to call me back. Poop hung up the phone,
and I was like, oh my god, Kathy, that's like,
that's crazy. And then she was like, we're gonna get
this figured out, don't you worry. And then maybe like

(36:02):
a week later, RuPaul came to my show. She like came.
She went to the door and said, is Bob the
drag Queen working tonight? Walked downstairs, came and saw me,
and then she tweeted about me. She left the she
left the bar, tweeted about me, and then and then
I went on and then I got the call that
said that I was on the show, and I promise
you the moment they called me, I knew I want

(36:25):
drag Race. I don't know who was there. I don't
know what the categories were, I don't know what the theme.
I don't know the challenge is going to be. I said,
I just want drag race. Ain't no way. I'm about
to go up here and I win drag Race. Do
you are you guys listening to this? I don't know
when you watched this episode and hear this episode? Do
you hear the.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Power of manifestation?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Do you hear it? The power of manifestation here? And
I'm a manifestation queen. I just really believe in myself.
You know that's right, and you believed in yourself, you
believe in a vision that you've had. All of this
has been envisioned somewhere in another state of being. For you,

(37:08):
it's just as well as for me. Listening to you
say that she called ru hung up, it was like
and then it is that the moment you got care,
you knew you won. Yeah, the moment they called me
my model. For those of you that watch the show
or watching me, my model is this. I don't know when,
I don't know how, but I know you can. You

(37:33):
can quote me. You can find these quotes back ten, fifteen,
twenty years of watching TS And if you ever get
into a video, well I'm having a conversation.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I'm just talking to my audience, and I'd be like.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Bitch, I don't know when, I don't know how, but
I know it's the fact that you know, I mean,
you've been a real like I think so many the
reason why so many queer people look up to you
is because we y'all y'all know, I mean those of
us who are crawling. I'm chronically online. I'm all. I
am always up today with every trend, every sound on TikTok,

(38:05):
everything on Twitter, everything on Instagram, all the YouTube videos.
So I was deep in Vine. I was de y'all.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I was on Vine like it was I know all
the things from Free Shabaka do.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
All of it. So, so those of us who have
been who have been tracking your journey since we heard
new weave twenty two inches, Yeah, since we heard that,
and those of us who have been obsessed and like
continuing on the journey and seeing you know, going from
twenty two inches to sitting here in iHeartRadio with all
these you know, professional equipment, having your own TV show,

(38:42):
being a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race, receiving honors from
Logo TV.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Uh, watching you be applauded by Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Uh. We're those of us who have been there, We're like,
of course this makes sense because we saw it like
we were like we saw something something that Ruth said
that I agree with that I read in Ruth's first
book let, It All Hang Out. Was before I was
like making it before like things were going big for me.
I kept being like, this doesn't make sense. Like I
did a show and only three people came. This doesn't

(39:15):
make sense. So when I did a show and you know,
five thousand people came. And then when I performed for
a show with Madonna and there were one point six
million people that I was like, oh, this makes sense.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
This is what I saw for myself the whole time.
Now it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Uh. I thought I was first.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I almost thought I was crazy back when it didn't
make sense.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I always saw for myself, which some people call arrogant, no,
but I just called it believing in myself. It's you know, yeah,
it's not arrogance when you know I just and I'm
gonna I'm gonna go on record with saying this that
Housewives of Atlanta show ain't gonna never. Their ratings are
never gonna pick up until they add me on that show.

(39:55):
They should too. It's not they raid. It ain't gonna never.
It's gonna do what it's gonna do. But it's never
gonna get to that back to that pill you do
right by, Maddie. I'm telling you Andy, y'all play those
games you do right. It ain't gonna every person, even
cast going crumble. It ain't gonna do right now. It's
gonna do what it needs to do. That's from you know, okay,

(40:20):
cart It's not going to hit that boom. I'm gonna
be that boon that they that they because they forever
looking for that, they looking, they're trying to find the leaks.
You know what I mean. Doesn't need her thing, and
I believe that she should go back. But this to
shake this right here is the shake up. Have they

(40:41):
ever reached out to you or anything I've done. I
filmed some stuff with them whever, but I don't know when,
I don't know how, but I know that the moment
that it happens, know that we talked about this, the
moment that it happens, just like you, you're manifested. Let
me write it down. Listen. You manifested me being on track.

(41:02):
You manifested me being on any of those shows you
like that show needs the ts. Oh yeah for sure.
Now it may be two most season that they skipped
me in. Then they'd be like, you know what Bob said,
and I get on there and it be boomed. I
was gonna be huge. I would love to see the roundtable.
Oh my gosh, seeing you at that roundtable with me,
and I'm to bring my Southern charm. And now they

(41:25):
think they think federal was over there at least all
of those people like every when I went back and
I looked at my vision board, Bob, I saw all
my vision board music collaboration with major major artists. I
did that back in twenty sixteen. Yeah, Beyonce came in

(41:45):
twenty twenty two. I remember you did when you did
with RuPaul. Yes, I was, I was.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I listen when I tell y'all, i'm a I'm a,
I'm a I'm an original test master fan.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Y'all. Don't get y'all. I'm not playing around. I know that.
I know, uh uh the supreme Yes back then, yeah, yes,
but this is why. See what I enjoy about this
is this this this, We're in each other's trajectory. And
I always like having close proximity to other manifestos because

(42:19):
that enhances our powers. I like having close proximity to
people that know.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I think I need to start getting a little witchy.
I mean I don't think it. I don't think I
want to. I want to be a little witchy. Does
the word scared? It scares them?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
It should, but not me, because what I've learned about
I've been watching this show on HBO Who And I'm
gonna also work with Danny McBride.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I like Danny McBride.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
He's a Danny McBride is funny, he's commun Listen, Bob,
I worked with I met Seth Rogen.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I like Danny.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
I want to work with Danny McBride. But but I've
actually feeled something for his production company. But you know,
that's that's another that's you know, but I'm gonna work.
I watched a show called Righteous Gymstones on HBO. That's
Dan So I watched, you know, and I watch how
you know it's like a spoof on TV evangelism that

(43:20):
we grew up in the house with TV. Oh yeah,
very much so TV. I don't watch TV in and
stuff no more. And what really made me separate myself
from watching TVN is like right, and I hate to
say this for those listeners, it was right after George
Floyd got murdered and I watched how the white evangelical
churches kind of gloss over that and kind of tried

(43:43):
to polish like Derek Chauvin was innocent.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
And I'm like, y'all love the.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Lord, Well, they will, they will, they will, they will
bend to fit their own narrative for sure. Y'all love
the Lord and then they started talking about how Trump
was the I'm like, I ain't.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
No Christian about Trump.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
You remember the woman who's uh Poladine No, the one
who's like shoo shutting the white lady.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Her name, she's the current white.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
In Africa, in Africa, Africa, And I said, the motherfucking
got damn African.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Uh ancestors showed up and.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
So she didn't call on them this time from Africa,
from Africa, from Africa, from Africa. And it's what's so
disgusting to me is that they hide behind the guise
of religion and God to do heinous things to human being.
Oh no, for sure, heinous in caging people, children, finding

(44:54):
a way to gloss slavery.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
You know what they're really doing. Here's my theory.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I believe what they're doing is the wealthy elite, the oligarchs,
as as Bernie said, say the Oligaus in this country.
When the Oligaus are when two percent of the population
controls nine to eight percent of the wealth, the issue
is the rich, rich, rich, rich, rich white people have
convinced the Brokens white people that they are better than

(45:24):
the any black person. The extremely wealthy white They're like
We're just like you. We're we love y'all. Broke white
ass people. Oh, broke white people. Baby, we love you.
We have your back. We don't have their back. We
got your back. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna raise prices.
We're gonna take care of you. We're not gonna take
care of them. We're gonna give text cuts to Elon

(45:44):
Muskin and Jeff Bezos, but we're not gonna do anything
for them. And then they say, you know what, you
know why your stuff is expensive? It has nothing to
do with corporate greed. Did you know that they're turning
mice transgender? It's the transder mice. Now, who do you
think is making your prices high? Do you think it's

(46:05):
the companies that set prices or or hear me out,
turning my transgender? What do you think? Do you think
listen to yourself. Do you think it's possibly the companies
that are setting the price of these cars at astronomical
rates and banks making mortgages.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Impossible to finance?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Or or do you think it is somewhere between four
and fifty trans people who are in prison receiving hormones
which are which are inexpensive. By the way, do you
think do you think it's that's where all of your
tax payer dollars are going? You think it's those those
those you know, a couple of one hundred bucks or

(46:49):
a couple of dozen dollars on extra extra you know,
extraten pills and testosterone shots.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Or do you think it might be the cost of
a car. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I think it's trans inder mice. I'm just looking at
through it a little funny now, I'm I'm sorry to
see what what's going on? Ratitude?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's it's it's it's why ratitude got curves. Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And what what makes all of this ship so insane
for me is that they're doing it under the under
the pretense that God is allowing. And and so I
had to shake my mom because my mom listen, my
mama loves the Lord. Yep, they do. They do all
the generation really and listen if I put on if

(47:32):
she see a crystal or a stone or a rock,
or what is that?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
You know, the devil?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
And so I always ask not her, but I asked people, well,
what were we colored folks doing prior to Christianity? To
blonde hair, blue eye Jesus. Yeah, do you even spells
and stuff? I do? I do. I'll put one on

(48:01):
the enemy and a heartbeat and I and I'll use
Psalms one on nine with it. Is that like like
a biker. My bika two and two is right down
to make a play Psalms one on nine? What's almost
on nine? Song? Look up song p s A l
the peace songs. Put Psalms one on nine. She thought
it not a spell song. She thought I did not
a spell song. Psalms one on nine. You know though

(48:22):
it was not spelled songs. When I was a kid,
I had a kid's bible, Psalms what one on nine?
H h they I stayed me. I had a kid's bible,
and the character who was the bible, his name was Psalm.
It was this big little bible whould sing songs from
Psalms anyway? Psalms one on nine. Here we go, use
it next time you got an end of me, wrap

(48:43):
that bitch, wrap them up in that may God, who
I praise, do not remain silent for people who are wicked.
And the sepul have opened them mouths against me. They
have spoken against me with thy I gotta add ohthough
the Lord did not. He didn't uh with that. With
lying tongues, with words of hatred, they surround me. They
attacked me with with call without cause. In return for

(49:06):
my friendship, they accuse me, But I am a man
of prayer. They repay me evil for good and hatred
for my friendship. Appoint someone evil to oppose my enemy.
Let an accuser stad at his right hand when he
is tried, when he has tried, let him be found guilty,
and may his prayers condemn him. May his days be few,

(49:29):
May another take his place of leadership. May his children
be fatherless, and his wife be a widow. Jesus Christ.
That is crazy. That is a that's a while one.
That's too.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I will wrap a who do who do evil shit
to me.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I will wrap a bitch name up and I will
write their names three full times three three three to
nine times. I will wrap that shit up, honey, stick
that in something and put it in some way.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Adult.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I don't know how to curse. I don't know if
that's it's not a curse. That's a that's a prayer.
That's a prayer. And there it is. And the Lord said,
and let the Lord said, And the Lord said, may
your wife be awa up that. I don't know how
to curse people, but I do like to curse people
because I know it makes them uncomfortable. So someone makes
me uncomfortable with their bigotry and their hatred, and especially
if they're particular religious, I will curse them because I

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know how uncomfortable to make you.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Some listen, that's how you worked that against them, bitch.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I'll bind you in Psalms one O nine and then
for protection Psalms ninety one. Let's see what's on songs
ninety one to protect yourself. For songs ninety one, we're
going to We're going to church today and also doing
it and also doing some witchy stuff Psalms ninety one.
Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will
rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say

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of the Lord, here's my refuge and my fortress, my God,
and whom I trust. Oh it's longer, but yeah, surely
he will say you are you are. Surely he will
save you from the fowler snare and from the deadly petialance.
He will cover you in his feathers and under his wing,
you will find refuge. His faithfulness will be your shield

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and rampart. You will not fear the terror of night,
nor the arrows that fly by day, nor the pestilence
that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys
at midday. Well teryl Wayne's calling me the destroyers that
at midday a thousand may fall at your side, ten
thousand at your right hand, but it will not come
near you. You will only observe with your eyes and

(51:34):
see the punishment of the wicked. If you say Lord,
if you say the Lord's my refuge, and you make
the most high you're dwelling, no harm will overtake you.
No disaster will come near your tent. For He will
command his angels concerning you to guard you in al ways.
They will lift you up in their hands so that
you will not so that you will not strike your
foot against the stone. You will tread on the lion

(51:56):
and the cobra, and you will trample the great life
and the serpent. Because he loves me, he says Lord,
I will rescue him. I will protect him from the
for he acknowledges my name. He will call on me,
and I will answer him. I will, I will be
with him in trouble. I will deliver him and honor
him with a long life. I will satisfy him and

(52:17):
show him my salvation. Huh le Loujah. Can I tell
you how that relates to Harry Tubman. This is actually
one of my favorite things by Harry Tubman. First of all,

(52:38):
my obsession with Harry Tubmin is lifelong in Georgia, at
least in Atlanta and in Columbus, where I grew up.
We take Black History Month very seriously. It is Black
History Year. Atlanta is one of the blackest cities in America.
In fact, the blackest city town in America is just
south of Atlanta. This is the this is went to

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black places, black place in America. I have been upseess
with this woman for so long, and do you know
that she would use her prayers for retribution as well?
So Harrd Tubman famously famously when when the when the
when her slaver passed away, he said, you'll be set freeze.
It's called manumission. When a slave owner freezer enslaved people,
you will be set free. The man died, and then

(53:22):
Harryd was inherited by his son, and Harry went to
his son said, okay, your father said I'd be set free.
And think it was Edward Brothers, Edward or mister Brothers.
Since your father said I'd be set free, I'm assuming
now is the time when I get to go. And
he was like, no, thank you. Harry said, okay. She prays.
She said, God, please, please please change his heart. Please

(53:43):
God change his heart, Please God change his heart. Never
changed his heart. Harry Tubman said, you know what, and
this is docus, this is corroborated by several stories. She said,
if you will not change his heart, stop it. If
you won't change his heart, stop it. That night, that night,
Edward Brot has died. She goes, if you get this

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man out of my way, if he's going to be
in the way of my salvation. What you have promised me,
that I get to lift free, that I get to
be a free person. Stop this man's heart. And that
night he passed away. And that was Psalms one on nine,
Like literally that night. Isn't that crazy? You know? It's not.
The things that hair TIB's life are so impressive. What
she did with the first of all, hair Tupman was

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born black, below the Dixie, below the Mason Dixie line.
She was enslaved. Her mother was born enslaved. Her grandmother
was snatched up off the west coast of Africa. She
could not read, she could not write. She had a
very traumatic brain injury that caused her to faint for
hours at a time, day after day. She was four

(54:51):
foot eleven four foot eleven, yet she rolls above every circumstance.
She was a very intimidating woman. She carried a pistol
with her everywhere. I think har may be reincarnated right here.
And because my pistol is definitely my pocket, look over there,

(55:11):
and that's why I feel safe with you.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
She carried a pistol everywhere she went.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And when she was on the road, she said to them,
she said, listen, y'all, when we go to freedom, you
can't turn back. No turning back. You're not allowed to
turn back because if you turn back, you're gonna make
it dangerous for everyone who went ahead of you, anyone
who wants to come after you, because they'll torture you,
they'll get the information out of it. You can't go back.
And she family said, if you try to turn around,
I'm gonna kill you. That would be the last step
you ever taken your life. But you better it better

(55:35):
be a good one. You better feel real good. It
messed up, it would be the last step you take.
But she never had to do it. That's how powerful
she was. One man one time allegedly tried to turn
back and she put the fear of God in him.
He must have heard that hammer click, he heard the bitch,
And like I said, it was one of those old guns.
It wasn't one of those guns where it would wreck
your whole shit. She would shoot your whole fucking shoulder

(55:58):
would get knocked off, yunks coming off closed casket when
you get hit one of these pre Civil war guns.
You know what I'm saying. She did all of that,
all of that before she turned forty. Everyone the picture
of her, she looks all old and stuff, y'all. That's
because she had to do what she did in silence.
No one knew who she was at the time. Later
in life they knewho she was. So you see, there's

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like maybe like five six maybe somewhere around the pictures
of Harry Tubman. Most of them are are her as
an older woman. That's one beautiful picture. I don't know
if y'all have the image. Y'all have the ability to
do images on screen, but will This picture of Harrot
Tubman is so stunning. This is the last fun this is.
This may very well be the last funtle ever taking hair. Tubman.

(56:40):
Harry Tubman founded a home for a formerly enslaved people
who had reached an age of retirement, didn't have enough
money to live nowhere else. Oh my god, like I'm
doing with the Starter House. She founded a home. It's
up in New York, and they took a picture of her.
She ended up living on us. She ended up living
her last days there in that place. Look house, studying
this woman. Look house powerful. When I show this picture,
look how stunning, how powerful, how majestic, how regal she

(57:05):
looks in this chair. Isn't that one of the most
powerful image you've ever seen in your life? Wow? Wow?
In white Yep, she's about she's about ninety eighty nine,
ninety years old there she lives to be almost one hundred.
She didn't even know how old she was. She didn't know,

(57:25):
she didn't know what she didn't She never knew a
year she was born. She never even knew a year
she was born. That's how little they wanted you to
know about yourself. Not just about your past. They didn't
even want you to know about yourself and your present.
So you know this book. I'm so proud of this book.
It's gotten rave reviews for some for some people who
mean so much to me. Thank you to Cromo for

(57:45):
sup part of my book. Thank you to you. Thank
you to Sherry Shepherd for helping me from my book.
Thank you to Gail King, thank you, Whoopy Goldberg. Thank
you to all these people who have believed in me.
It took me four years to write this book. I
am so proud. I put my I put everything I
have in this book. Mandy, I'm gonna real with you
for a second. It took me four years while writing
this book. I filmed three seasons of We're Here. I

(58:06):
filmed a comedy special. I went on a world tour
with Madonna. My house burned down, my mother passed away.
I went and filmed The Traders, I did my solo tour.
My life was so chaotic and if you look on
the inside, here this is this is, this is this
book is full of great writing. This is the best

(58:27):
thing I've ever written in my life and loving memory
of Martha Calwell, this is right. The first thing you see.
It is dedicated to my mother, who just like believed
in me so much. My mother, I've said this all
the time. My mother believed the sun rose when I
woke up and the sun set when I fell asleep.
You know, I my mother. The reason why I'm so
confident is because I grew up in a house of

(58:48):
someone who told me that I was great, who told
me that I was fantastic. She told me it might
be hard. She I got the same talk, you don't
have to work twice as hard to get half the pay.
She showed it, tim and it showed it end up
being true. But that's still being because she pours so
much love into me. That's why I think I've been
able to achieve so many of the things I've been
able to achieve in my life. You remember the season
with Gigi g Good, Gigi Good, We're always going? Would

(59:12):
you were judging that season or no? That was when
Tomorrow season? Yes, every time Gig Good came out, Gig Good?
Who made this dress? My mom?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Did you good?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Who made this dress?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
My mom?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Did you good? Who made this dress my mom her.
When your mother believes in you, when your mother really
believes in you, you can do anything.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I really believe that.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
And I remember Derek Barre on my season he said
that he said something I will never forget because he
did not. He did not. I don't know where he's
at with his mother today, but he said he didn't
have a good relationship with his mom. And he said,
you know when you get broken apart by your mom,
and he said, like, I feel like my mother broke
me apart night and I was never able to put
myself back together again. And when when you know, mothers
have the ability and the power to build you up

(59:54):
and to tear you down. I was so lucky to
have a mother that built me up. Who who just
I mean my my mother would call me once a
month just to say I pick up the phone and
she would go, I just want you to know you're
funnier than Bianca del Rheo. And she was right, you
bring me young on the podcast. I want to bring

(01:00:14):
Beyonc there, Bob. That means a lot from me hearing
that from you because of the relation, you know, the
relationship I got, Miss Mary. You know me and miss
Mary like this, Oh yeah, I won't board the plane
if my mama don't pray first. I will tell I
will text my mom and say, Mommy, I'm getting ready
to board the plane. She said, hold on, she'll pray

(01:00:37):
on the phone and then she'll send it to me
in a text. I will not board a plane if
my mama don't pray first. That's going to the airport,
that's getting there, and then boarding it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I don't let unless she asked the Lord to send
his traveling mercies for me, I won't do it. If
my mother does not have a voice or speak in
anything that got something to do with it, I will not.
I don't. I don't fuck with it because my mama
tell me I can do everything, and you have she

(01:01:15):
tells me I can do everything. So I've that was
I you didn't see me grab this book and was like,
oh my god, because that's a big fear of mine too,
that my mother is gonna pass away.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
But I'm not as fearful of it as I was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Younger, because I know that if she does transition during
my journey anywhere and anything that is going on in
my life, I do believe that because oh God, y'all,
I don't read the Bible like that, but I just
remember to think that she's instilled. The Bible says, before
we wrestle out against flesh and blood, but the principalities

(01:01:52):
of darkness and workers of iniquity, and dark places of
high places. I know that in the flesh, and I
want you to take this in the flesh. Your mother
did all those things. Imagine what she's doing for you now.
And I can only imagine. I can only imagine my mother.
I really liked it. I hit the I hit the

(01:02:14):
mother lottery. I really did, y'all. I could not ask
for a better mother. Martha. Callwell if you wherever you're
listening from, Like I just I got so, so, so
so lucky. Also, I want you all to know right now,
you know, losing your mother is it is hard for me.
It's the hardest thing that ever happened to me in
my life. I lost my mom on Mother's Day. My
mom died on Mother's Day last year. And it really sucks.

(01:02:37):
You need it. It was really it was really bad. Actually,
So it doesn't matter what age you are. You could
be ninety and lose your mom and it's gonna suck.
But especially if you're under forty or fifty and you
lose your mom, really it hits really really hard. If
you're on Mother's Day and you are, it's tough. It's
a tough day when you feel when you feel like

(01:02:58):
a motherless child, but you're not remember the thing, the
way she held you down in this in the flesh world,
there's nothing that you won't be able to reach up
to heaven and ask for that won't be given to you.
Just know that that's like a big gigantic fear of

(01:03:19):
mine too, because my mother is older, she'd be sickly,
stuff like I'll be on the road, like I won't
board the plane without having a conversation with my mom because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Of that what we got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
And as fagots, yeah, people don't understand the importance of that.
And to people who throw their gay trends by whatever
fuck kids out in the street because of some gift
that God gave us to be who the fuck we are,
it's your loss. But to those parents who embrace us

(01:04:00):
and love us and nurture us and and go with
us on this journey in life. Mm hmm, it's so rewarding.
To them and us, can I get my hot take
before we move on to Yeah, trans women who this
is a hot take, this might name make the episode?

(01:04:20):
Will trans women who call themselves fagots are elite? Elite? Elite?
Is that is that a horrible? Is that bad? They
used to be this? Uh? This drag queen named Mayuko,
well her her her real name is my Yuko. Her
drag name was Japanese fucking bitch, and we all called
her Mayuko, you know when we were talking. But she goes,

(01:04:43):
I'm not gonna do her Japanese accent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Yes, but she had a really think accent and she
would always go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
She would always she had she had, she had a
very she had a any Japanese accent, and she would
go they'd be like, give it up for my Yuko,
and she would look. She would be drinking her corona
and she would be still onside the stage and she
would go. They'd be like, my Yuko, and she goes,
my name is Japanese a fucking bitch, and they'd be
like why because I'm a fucking the beach. And then
she'd always should always be she'd always say something. But

(01:05:10):
I remember she'd be like she would always say, I
am a faggot, yes, and I just my Yuko. I
think she's in Florida. Now, wherever you are, my Yuko.
If you don't, you're gonna listen to another. She's like
you go as a woman of It was hertin age.
I don't think she's on the internet these days.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
But you've heard me say, you've heard me. I watch
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I was I don't know if you remember backstage when
you were getting ready to walk out for it was
it the give up or the crost to step down,
it was something. And I grabbed your hand and I said,
I'm so proud of you, bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
We're faggot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I grabbed your hand in the back and I said,
we're faggot, and we're not just we're black faggot. Now
to the trans girls who don't call yourself bags, I
don't give a fuck, y'all. You're cool too, but this
and Bob don't gotta don't gotta try to smooth it over.
I don't give a fuck about y'all. Bitch, we're faggots.
Do you know the country that we live in. We

(01:06:12):
live in the United States of America. During the Trump administration,
it ain't but two of us. We're back to two things,
dykes and faggots, and there's nothing in between all this
non binary A TRANDU A goddamn he she I'm just
telling you, you gotta know, you have to know the

(01:06:36):
heart truth of what's going on. Now. If the cos
you ever say faggots got out of the car, it's
what it is. Who do you think he's talking to
the person in the car that's identified as trans, non binary.
Your identity is can be whatever it is. But to them,

(01:06:56):
to the to the wicked world that we're in right now,
that's that's the that's the crux that were you're saying.
When when When when the opposition says, to the wicked
world that we're living in right now, you ain't. But
it ain't but two things going on, faggots and dykes,
and that's it. We're back to the beginning. But because

(01:07:17):
we are resilient and we're strong and we are hopefully
this makes us unify more than ever. We're black, we're black, brown,
we're trans, we're non binary, we're gender fluid, we're queer,
we're all of these things in community, and we respect

(01:07:38):
each other in community.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
So when I say to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Myself and I say to my sister, bitch, I'm proud
of you because you of every milestone and movement and
thing that you've made publicly in mainstream media, because bitch,
you are black.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
And you're a faggot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Yeah, and despite it all, I did it. I really did.
That's what that means. And I'm gonna tell you all
of this. I've done a lot. I'm not done.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
No, you're not, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I'm telling you I'm not done. When I audition for
Drag Race, I cannot believe up with them. I say,
they're probably like, who the fuck this bitch? I said,
and this is my audition tape. I said, I'm going
to win this show, and I'm gonna tell right now
it won't even be the most impressive thing I do.
They were probably like, this queen really thinks she's somebody.
And you did. And you listen, You think I want

(01:08:29):
to leave you with this bob. You think that you
did all that while your mom was here. Oh honey,
your mom is in heaven right now in the throne room.
Tell of God, move that to tell that other bitch
to step aside. I would say, things have gotten really crazy.

(01:08:50):
The movement in my life has been gotten really crazy
since my mom passed away. Tell that your mama is
there right well, you know you've seen it. You've seen
it's gotten crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
When your mama got there, she dropped her her shower.
I showed weber crown.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
We used to wear a sequin, a little sequence. My
mother loved secrets. Oh my gosh, she loved sequins. If
my mother, if there's a heaven and my mom's over there,
she's definitely there's heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
She's she's wearnning sequence track to heaven and she's there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
But she pulled that off and said, oh now I
see what's because she can see in the spirit what's
the what's around, and what's hindering?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
And what's who? Who's trying? You tell them?

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I said, step aside, because I ain't have no strength
in the flesh, but I got it all. I got
all the power in the spirit. And no weapon formed
against shall prosper her. I need her getting a little
key with you. I need to get I need get
some stones. No weapon formed against your prosper And the
mama that my baby call up here and please Songs

(01:09:51):
ninety one for protection right down, Psalm ninety one for
protection and Psalms one or nine for the enemy. I'm
going down there, and I like the book, like like
the scripture said, may he or she be wifeless. One
on nine is it's for your enemies and ninety one
is for protection. So now, Bob, we've gotten to the

(01:10:22):
end of the show. I really this is one of
those things that this is like the trade. I don't
ever want to ends, I know, and apparently you don't
want to do she man, No, I wanted to be in.
At this point, Mattie's rolled around the floor, get tired.
I get tired of the line and in my ask okay,

(01:10:43):
so all right, it's time for my favorite segment. It's
called ban it, bitch. Some people out here are banning
drag shows, L B, G, t q, I A, books
and even our very existence.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
But we're flipping the script. What's something if you rule
the world that you'd bang?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Oh, this is easy. I know this is easy because listen,
you're quick on it. Now here's how it works. Oh okay,
I was ready, yeah, are you ready? All right? My
name is Tis Madison, and if I rule the world,
I would ban the mandates on synthetic wigs versus human wigs. Listen,

(01:11:21):
let me tell you something. The unit that I have
on right now is a synthetic unit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Now here's the thing. Here's the gag about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I like my hair to be laid a laid down, died, fried,
and laid to the motherfucker's side.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
I like this about it. But bitch, there are times
godled and laid to the fucking side.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
But here's sometimes I'm in a rush, and so I
may have to get a shaken goat, put it on,
snip it down, fluff it up. Honey. The mug still
remains the way. It's just the hair just brings, you know,
an extra piece of sickeniness to it. But bitch, when
your mug sits what up? Whatever you sit up under
will sit with you too, Hi out, I both shot time.

(01:12:01):
I want to bam those girls that said that you
can't wear no synthetic wig. No more, girl who told
you that? Bitch, if it makes the mug motherfucking right,
where the motherfucking wig. And that's all I gotta say.
I ban you, hoes. Also, afro Matty love me. I
love afromatty baby, I efromaty be in a different vibe,

(01:12:23):
she'd be would everybody come out? Everybody gonna watch out?
It's God, I'm ready. Afro Matty's about to be a show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
All right, Okay, it's your turn.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
My name is Boba drag Queen, and I am now
the head of DOGE, the Department of Gay Excellence, and
I have decided that today I will be banning sins
gender straight man as flight attendants. I do not want
to see no sis gender straight man. I am thirty
thousand feet in the air, and I want to feel comfortable.

(01:12:55):
Have you ever felt comfortable? Listen? You feel comfortable with
a straight man? Sent of Gona? You want some peanuts? No,
you want some grand apple. I do not. What I
want to see is I want a middle aged woman
named Margaret with a nasty asymmetrical Bob. I want a
blue haired they vimmy twenty two year old wayfishly thin.

(01:13:19):
I want a gay man with too much hips and
from the back low key looks like a woman. I
do not want to see no sisiender straight man pushing
no motherfucking beverage cart at thirty thousand feet in the air.
Thank you? Well, wait a minute now, I do because
if he's breaking me nuts. But y'all can fly on

(01:13:44):
Maddy Airlines, but on Delta you're not allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Bob, I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
I love you too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
I thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Is my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Girl, bitch, I was over here like, don't make me crabby,
and I got one of your producers. I'm so sorry,
don't make me cry, and you got me too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I put my little tea, I put my thing on,
like you're not gonna mess up this last because I
don't know if the glueg it's older than now. It's
a last suck up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
But I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
You could call me and ask me to do anything,
and I do it same. I want you to know
that same, same saying, you know what. I love you
so much. If you need help moving, that's how much
I love you. We'll call, listen. I told you I'm
not the type of girl we'll call somebody, but but
I'll come on and we'll we'll we'll we'll have while
they move, they move, come help me move. You know
that mean we're gonna move. We put that over there

(01:14:38):
point I'm not doing, listen. I've gotten to a place
in my life, sister, Well, I don't. I'm not doing
none of that stuff, which is valid and fair. I
told my mama that. I said, Mama, listen, we gotta
get it. We're gonna have to get weed. I need
a governess. That's what she said. What the governess? That
what she said?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
What's the good?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I'm like, Mama, I need someone to live and I work.
I work like a butler. But is that the lady
for him of a butler? Yeah, a governess. I want
that in the house. I want that to live. I
got a guest house in the back. She can live
out there, or they can come in on shifts.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
I don't want that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I don't want to have to come home and take
the garbage to the road. And I don't want to
have to come home and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I don't want to do that, and I don't get Listen,
there was a regular bitch name and see how you're
supposed to? Said? What?

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Who are the girls you're going against? What? What's the
website was going? He was fighting with the girls from
the Bogie Bogie What is it the BG? Well, I
wasn't fighting them, I was just they the Bigo girls
got mad at me because I said that they were
trying to ban TikTok to and so, and I was saying,
they ain't worried about the Bigo girl because they are
over there fighting and killing, the stab and the shoot

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when they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Give a fuck like the zeus of the network.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
I wasn't reading them because I know those girls make
money over the girl listen, shout out to the girl,
shout out to them. But I would, I would, Seanna.
I was really giving them their props, but it didn't
sound like props. But it was like, bitch, the girls
over there stabbing, shooting and killing each other for beans.
It was lopside of props.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
No, it was real like, bitch, you hood, they ain't
thinking about you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah, I haven't even I found out about Bigo because
of you. I didn't know what was But Bob, they
not thinking about y'all over there. They ain't think about
that black money they over there at the TikTok. That's
why y'all girls still stack y'all beans. But y'all ain't
got nothing to worry about over there on the chopping block.
You got it beesus the gifts beans, Yeah, they beans,
they given beans.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
I think I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Listen, I just know you'll get stabbed, shot and killed
over there. You know I'm from Clayton County and I'm
scared to go there. Okay, I listen, I ain't scared
of none of the motherfucker. That's why I got right
in the paint with that. I say, Hey, I want
to let y'all know. Now I was around before any
of this came in. Is this. I don't have a permit.
I gotta stand there. You I'm gonna be scared. I've
never held a fire arm.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
The gag giars. I ain't got no permit either. He
ain't got no license.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
You let demand over your card. He ain't got no
license and don't. But he damned to a good driver.
All Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
We love y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Thank y'all so much for tuning in. We'll see y'all
next time. Bye, thanks for watching out You're watching out
Laws with Bob the Dragli.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Outlaws is a production of The Outspoken Network from iHeart
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and Olivia Piece. I'm your host, Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich, and our producers are

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and our sound editor is just Crimechich. Our associate producer
is Trend High Tower Special Thanks to our producers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merrick.
Our show art is by Pablo Martinina. Catch you next week, honey,