December 23, 2025 • 66 mins
It's the season of GIVING! And so, in the spirit of the holidays, we’re giving you not just one but TWO episodes this week. This special bonus episode is with TS Madison’s longtime manager, the incredible Leggra Colón—and it's available exclusively on our audio platforms.
Leggra is a KEY member of the TS Madison multiverse, the Capricorn energy to Maddie’s Libra brilliance, but today we’re digging into Leggra’s origin story. She’s been a high achiever since childhood. In this episode, Leggra talks the pivotal moments, mistakes, and learning opportunities that led her to where she is today. She also opens up about her cancer diagnosis and recovery, the decision to keep her diagnosis private, and how hearing the “C" Word changed her perspective.
We also get a behind the scenes look at Leggra and Maddie’s relationship– both professionally and as close friends– including some insight into what “The TS Madison Experience” had left on the cutting room floor. We’re getting the full story of how Maddie and Leggra met– sometimes you think you need a new car but what you really need is a new manager.
Plus: Lessons Maddie and Leggra learned from their mamas; unconventional career paths; marriage and divorce; the Kama Sutra; fighting the hate between cis and trans Black women; societal disregard for aging women; and fighting back against bigotry coming from the White House.
"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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out no wait, no win went two inches b b
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job ricking honey rick hoon, cooking chasing. I'm black like that.
(00:29):
He about living. It's color easy. This is Outlaws with
TS Medicine. Hey, y'all the CS Medicine honey back with
another episode of Outlaws with TS Medicine on iHeart Radio. Listen.
(00:53):
There are times that I'm always sitting back in my
space and saying, man, never would have made all. Yeah,
you know. Each time that I'm able to get on
a podcast or just be a part of a new
(01:15):
show or new situation, I'm always excited because I always
get the opportunity to sit down with amazing people. And
not just amazing people, not amazing people that are amazing
to the world, amazing people that are amazing to the public,
but amazing people that are in my life. People that
I have fun with, people that I talk trash with,
(01:39):
people that I tell some of my business to, not
all my business, but some of my business too, and
just you know, people that have made moves around in
the life of the ts and ladies and gentlemen, without
further ado, I would like to introduce somebody that was
strategically placed in my presence by the one I truly
(02:06):
think and before I even introduced you, I truly think
that that this person's presence in my life was definitely
something that was kind of ordained because I really had
no inkling of buying a new car. I met this
person by I get it to buy a new car,
(02:28):
and uh, I was I really didn't need a new car.
I didn't want a new car. I didn't need to
We'll see, here's here's here this time, I want to
lead this in. I didn't need a new car. I
needed a new manager. Liden to put your hands together
for my manager, Lera Collin.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Thank you first time me saying I'm so honored, uh,
just to actually be being interviewed with you, sitting down
talking to you and I have a lot of private conversations. Yeah,
we had one yesterday, right, we have a lot of
price a conversation. So I'm very interested to see where
this is going to go today because you know we'll.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Go everywhere, well, yeah, everywhere, and then back right right,
so leg right, here's the thing I'm not introducing you.
You introducing you goodness. So here is the area of
my show where it's called talk Yo Ship Talk talko shit,
so I can curse, oh goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
First of all, I am an entrepreneur, and I like
to think that I'm a very good friend. Let's start
with that, because in everything that I do, I like
to surround myself with good people.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Hint, hints. While you and I are friends, Okay, I'm
an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I owned a I hate to call it a travel agency,
more of an event management agency, which is how we
really became very close. We did a trip to the
Dominican Republic and took some fans overseas for the first time,
and and I got to do what I love to
do because I like to entertain. I love to throw
a party. I love I love good people around me,
(04:05):
and I try to surround me. I'm this person that's
I'm very reserved. A lot of people think I'm very reserved,
but I'm observant, you know, I like to look at everything.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
First of all, I'm a Capricorn. You know, was didn't
want to be I am.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I am a true Capricorn. We will cut you off
in a minute. We keep good people around us. I'm
a single mom, love love, love love. I have an
adult son. I'm an entrepreneur. I own an agency. It's
called Global Travelers LLC. You can look it up at
Global Travelers and Company dot com.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm an investor. You and I are investors together, and
I'm always trying to learn. I'm always trying to learn,
always trying to level up.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Always, that's the true Capricorn, always bout the coins, trying
to level up and try to be better every day.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So that's that's just like in a nutshell. So uh,
now that you done told me that part of legate,
tell me the bad beach. Ah, that bad bitch. Now
why are you a single mother? You're a beautiful woman.
Why are you a single mother? What made you? What
is the reason why that you are a single mother?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know, first of all, I'm gonna go back to
a little bit of my childhood. Okay, my mother has
always called me star child. My mother called me star
child all my life, and that was pressure. That was
actually pressure to try to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
All the time. I was the star child.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And I ended up going to college on a basketball scholarship.
I met my then husband while I was in college.
I got married at twenty two, Oh, at twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And I asked, because you know, a person never never
asks of me, get it right, because you know I'm black.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Right, as if you never asked a person never a
person is never supposed to ask a woman. They I'm
fifty five and very very proud of it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Fifty five.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yes, I amuls and it's been a journey to get
to fifty five. I'm very thankful to see fifty five.
I lost my mother at fifty four. Oh, and so
I've always had this fear. Oh my god, what's at
fifty four? I'm approaching fifty four. So I'll be fifty
five next month.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay. So you'll be fifty five soon, yes, very socause
we don't know when it's going to heir. So you'll
be fifty five soon. Yes, be fifty five soon. Okay.
And so you got married at twenty two? Finished, I
meet you out.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, I got married at twenty two. But if you
think about it, who are you at twenty two. I
didn't know myself at twenty two, So I say I'm
a single mother because I think I didn't take the
time to really get to know myself. I went you know,
I was raised by my mother, and then I went
to basketball. I went to college and played on a
basketball scholarship, which the university kind of takes care of
(06:56):
you a little bit. And then I immediately was married.
I had never lived on my own, I had never
had to struggle, I had never had to figure things out.
It was almost like people were always doing things for me.
And so when I decided to get a divorce, I
was thirty years old, and now this time I.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Have a baby.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I never even baby sat before, let alone try to
raise a child. You know, it was very It was tough.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It was tough. You know, I was still really a child,
a child. So you got married at twenty two, yes,
and you got divorced at thirty. Yes. Tell me about
those eight years. Those eight years.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I married my best friend, and he is an absolutely
wonderful man. He's an absolutely wonderful father. We just weren't
meant to be married.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Why. I think we were just young. You know, you
think got young love. You know you met in college.
Oh my god, I'm so in love.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I didn't know who I was at twenty two, and
at the time he was twenty six, he was in
grad school. When I met him, and I just think
we were young and we just didn't have ants to
mature and to grow into who we truly thought we
were or who we were meant to be. I think
I've always done things as the star child as I
was supposed to. You know, you gradually get that high
school diploma, go to college.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And get your degree. He's supposed to get married. I
did all the things that I was told I was
supposed to do, but it wasn't for me. What was
his sign? What's right now? Sagittarius? Yeah, yeah, Sagittarius. So
Capricorn and a Sagittarius. Yes, isn't that supposed to be
a good match. I don't know the zodiac like that?
Was he good in bed? We're not gonna have that conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He is recently married, well he's not recently married, but
he is remarried, And to be honest with you, I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I'm a Capricorn. You know we cut it off. I
don't remember. Just to be honest, So the answer is no, No,
I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that.
I'm gonna say I don't remember. You don't.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'm a Capricorn. You ready know that I will cut
you off in a heartbeat. I know and can't think
and don't remember what we talked by yesterday, but you
know if something's good.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Though honestly I don't remember. But no, he's been a
he's a great father.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And it's funny because we had a conversation a few
years after we were divorced, but he's still family, so
it's like he like that.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, so y'all still have a working relationship becau, y'all have, absolutely, Absolutely,
y'all did meet him, yes, and his wife, and they're wonderful,
wonderful people. They're wonderful people, absolutely, And just because you're divorced,
has he ever tried to come back? No? No, I
mean before he married that one? No, no, no, no, no,
(09:38):
he hasn't. So this was truly something that you both
did in y'all youth.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yes, I think I initiated the divorce, but having these conversations,
having conversations, especially after a divorce, everything you're kind of
looking in hindsight like did I do everything I could
have done to save them marriage? All those different things,
And honestly, I think we were both just really young.
(10:05):
We were just really young. And it's not necessarily age
because you know, maturity don't have a age on it,
It does not flow. So I just think we were
both just very young, and you know, he hadn't He
had some traumas and things he had to deal with.
I had some traumas and things I had to deal with,
And I think it just took us to get a
little older.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But we're we're we're in a great place. May I
ask you about one of any of those traumas that
you had to do with? What? What were what were
some of them for me?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I think for me, I think it was always just
trying to be perfect. I never felt like I could
be myself. I had to live up to other people's expectations.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Who pushed you to do that?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think, and you know, honestly, I think I put
it on myself just to be honest, you know, when
you're first of all, I was a straight A student.
I'm from Ohio, graduated third in my class, and I
was a star athlete. I had a full academic scholarships.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I had full athletic scholarships, you know, And I think
I put a lot of that pressure on myself, you know,
being the good girl all the time. Are you an
only child? No, No, I have.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm the middle child. So I got middle child syndrome.
So I got even more issues.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So you're in the middle of how many siblings do
you have?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It was three of us growing up. It was three
of us, you know, so I felt always felt like,
you know, my brother was mom's favorite and my sister
was Dad's favorite. And I always felt like I was
the one in the middle. But that's that middle child
syndrome thing.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Girl, And that's what that was another thing that added
on more pressure. Okay, more pressure. So here on the show,
we have a segment called Eureka. Eureka. Now we celebrate
those lightning boat moments when you realize that you weren't
just going to walk the path and that you were
going to blaze your own trail. What was a moment
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or the moment that's sparked that clarity for you. I
think it was when actually I relocated to Atlanta. And
you know, we have this relationship with our parents or
this view of our parents when we're children. But I
when I graduated from high school, I moved away. I
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had never moved back home, so I wasn't raised as
an adult. I didn't see my mother while I was
an adult. I always had that child view of my mother.
So I think it was when I moved to Atlanta
and my mother had relocated to Atlanta. So it was
the first time I got to be around her woman
to woman and not just mother child, and I got
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to see her as an entrepreneur. I got to see
her as she was. She was strong. She was a
strong woman, and I always knew I wanted to you
know what, that's that's what I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm supposed to I'm not supposed to just follow the
norm because there was nothing normal about her. And that's
Paly why she pushed me to be normal, because there
was nothing normal about her.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So when you said there was nothing normal about her,
point something. Now. Wait.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We used to call my mother the Dawn, oh, because
if you didn't have that black skin, you would have
thought she was Italian real, Okay, you would have thought
she was mafia because that was the Dawn. We used
to call her the Dawn because she was just a
balse and I liked that. She was bossy for one,
and she always had a lot of men around. But
they weren't men in relationships like what do you need done?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You need to get this here, call so and so.
She had always had a network of of of if
you need a plumber here, call this person, you need this,
call this person, anything that you needed done. It was
almost like she just orchestrated out. She was the queen. Yeah,
she was the queen in the center. And I love
that about her. And I was like, you know what,
that's that's that's how I see myself. That's how I
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see myself.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think that eureka moment that I didn't have to
follow the norm was as I got to know my
mother as a woman, because I always, you know, you know,
you have that mommy, you know, child view of your mother.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
But when I saw her as a woman, and my
mother was married four times. Wait a minute, leg my
mother's married four times. Wait a minute. Hell, I didn't
even meet the last one. It was so quick. Wait
a minute, Like I didn't even get to meet the
last one. It was so quick because she was okay, ye,
done and on to the next What was your mother's side?
(14:28):
She was on Aquarius. Is that good or bad?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You know, I don't know the zodiac, like well she's
air like me, and you know, I move on in
a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Absolutely. That is very interesting. Yeah, she was. She was
a boss and I loved it. And I was like,
that's gonna be I want to I just I don't
want to be nosy. Go ahead, be nosy. I do
be nosy. So your mother had four husbands, Yes, she did.
And you now in your life right now, are single.
(14:59):
Mm hmm. You're fifty five. Yes, where you're trying to
get given, I'm asking so so so. And you say
your mother transitioned when she was fifty four. Yes, And
you said, all the way up until you knew your
mama mm hmm, kepting me. I always had a man,
what's going on with me? Like you're trying what you're
(15:21):
trying to say? Something wrong? Man, I'm trying to forget
what's going on. Obviously, you patterned these things, You've patterned
so much stuff after your mom. Well you know what,
I patterned things after her. But that don't mean I'm
identical to her.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
There's things about her I liked, there's things about her
I didn't like, Like, tell me, well, my mother. I
think I'm also very dismissive. I do dismiss people very quickly,
and I think my mother. I think my mother needed
to sometimes take time to be single sometimes. So for me,
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I was never in a rush to get married again.
I've never wanted to be for in forgiving. This is
no knock against anyone. I never wanted to be anybody's
baby mama. Hence why I had my son after I
was married.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And people are saying, you want more kids. Yeah, I
wanted more kids, but I wanted my husband first.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I was always very careful to make sure I
didn't have more kids because it wasn't ideal for me
to be a single mother.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I just was.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And so I think I took my thirties because I
was married all during my twenties. I think I just
took my thirties to kind of figure out who Legra was.
I was struggling. I was trying to figure out what
I wanted to do with my life. I got degrees
I don't use, you know, just trying to find my path.
And I think in my forties I have fun. Thirties
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was a learning period. Forties was fun.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So my question is in your thirties, yes you were
sexually sexually liberated. Yes, I was. I don't want to
dig deep in your business, but I'm going to do
because you know we'd talk about I would talk about
it when you and I got together. We're going to
go back to that because we gotta we gotta jump around.
(17:06):
When you and I got together, We're gonna talk about that.
But I want to talk about a space to where girl,
when we fell out laughing, when you had that damn
Karma Suta chair, I still got it. I know. When
I knew that you had that Karma Suture chair, I said,
legr is the free and I hunted that down and
I think in COVID you did because you know what
(17:28):
you used to send me pictures and links to this
Karma Suture chair. Yes, I had that, And one thing
that I have always enjoyed was a sexually liberated woman. Yes,
because I'm very sexually free. You know, I like you know,
I like him. I like him. I like a heap,
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but I want one, Yes, but I like a heap
of them. Yes. Is this something? It was something in
the air that had me child the Yeah, get a
sip of Walter. So you do you fully immerse yourself
in sexual liberation? No?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No, I don't no, I don't, and especially now you
know I had a cancer diagnosis two years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Tell me about that. You know what I remember.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
The hardest part about it was, first of all, I
always thought I was very healthy, and let me take
that back.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I am healthy. I just had cancer. Yeah, we go,
let's start with that. I was never sick. I had cancer.
And I hearing it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Was the jar because when you hear the C word,
fear initially came over. Lord, I gotta get my house
in order. Oh my god, what is my son gonna do?
Like all these things came in and I remember when
I met with my doctor for the first time, they
told me over the telephone. So I think that was
the hard part. And then you know, you need to
see your breast cancer surgeon. Who has a breast cancer.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Surgeon on speed die? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So but I was fortunate enough. And I say fortunate
because it's not fortunate that I knew other people that
had breast cancer. But because I had a dear friend
to me that had breast cancer, she was able to
give me direction. Call this person, called this person, called
this person. But of course, like doctor's offices, I had
to wait three weeks to find out if I'm living
or dying. So I remember going to meet my doctor
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for the first time, and she was a beautiful woman.
I have the best doctors in the world over at Piedmont,
and she's telling me the history of cancer and the
type of cancer I have and stuff. I say, excuse me,
excuse Am I dying?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right? Get to the point. We've been waiting for three weeks? Yeah,
am I dying? She said, oh no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I said, well start with that first, because I've been
waiting for three weeks for somebody to tell me if
I'm dying. And she said, no, it's going to be
a struggle, and I'm not going to tell you it's
going to be easy, but we're gonna get you through it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I said, what, that's all I need to hear. You
won't continue whatever else you're talking about. And that just
was the reassurance that you needed to That's all I
needed to just fight. That's all I needed. And when
I tell you the best thing that I did, well
you you said you saw me you going through the struggle. Yeah,
I did.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Not many people knew I had cancer, and we kept
that a secret. Absolutely, we kept it a secret because
what you told me, was that you didn't want I
want no pity.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You want no pity, you want no sympathy. Yeah, absolutely not.
And also because we so connected. You know how people
are like, well, that's what she gets, you know, the
people that disliked me or hate me, that what she get.
Notice and the other and especially.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like my cancer diagnosis have anything to do with you, right,
But they'll link all that together justice because that's.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What they did. But it was also, you know, because
of the way we met. Yes, we can now we
can jump back to how we met. Yes, I was
the spirit told me to get up and go buy
a car. If my mother was here, she would tell
you you didn't need a car. I didn't need a car.
I did not need no car. Yes, but I wanted
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another car. I wanted a twenty. I wanted a two thousand,
and there was some kind of Infinity. I wanted an
Infinity h M thirty seven car because I liked the
body style. I wanted to put rims on it. And
at the time, I just happened to be in the dealership.
You were at the dealer with a family member, which
with your with your sister and brother. M Yep, he
(21:36):
was there and you walked across the lot and my
brother said, that's TS Madison. I said, who, So I'm
you know off the phone. Let me google who is
GS Madi? And of course, like I said, I own
a travel company. And I was like, oh, I need
to talk to her. You did she need to do
something with her fans? She got a she got a
lot of fans. You did say that, and you came
in and tore the place up like you usually, just
(21:58):
flirting with everybody. And because they were, they were. I
still remember that little car wash man was following you around.
But listen, legs, I didn't need a car. You didn't.
And I just gave you my car and I said,
you need to talk to me. I got something for it.
You did, I didn't. I want to emphasize, yes, I
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didn't need a car. You did not need a car.
We were supposed to meet. I needed a manager and
someone who knew absolutely nothing about being You didn't know
anything about being a manager to know. And I went
through a very public public break up, the break up
with my management. Yes, very nasty, very vile, very trying
(22:48):
to tear my image down. And handed it very well. Yeah,
you handled it well and then I emerged with the
new manager who very much so set ship straight, sets
ship in order, and not only set ship in order,
you don't get emotional. I want to let you know
(23:09):
you set stuff in order. And my words to you
were exactly this you said to me tis message. I
don't know how to be a manager. That's exactly what
I'm an event planner. And what I said, I'm an
event mm hmm, that's exactly what you said. I am
an event planned me. That's exactly what you said. Here
(23:33):
we are, what four years, it'll be five, It'll be
five in February. Yeah, yeah, it'll be five. Beyonce yes,
drag Race, Yes, TV show, movies, movies, all this stuff, everything,
and it's just the beginning. I didn't need a car.
I needed a manager. Absolutely. I want the people out
(23:56):
there to listening. That's gonna that can take the undertones
of that. And I'm sorry a black woman, a black woman. Hello.
Sometimes people gotta understand you don't need a core, you
need a manager, no place here where you need to be.
You don't need a job, you need a career. But
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let me say it goes both ways. Because I needed
you to really absolutely come on tabbing. Absolutely no, I
needed you too. I needed you too, and at the
time I may not have known it. You may not
have known you needed me at the time that we met,
but I needed you too. Just the difference of how
(24:42):
my life is since you've been in my life. Yeah,
just the circle of people now, first.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Of all being I'm not LGBT, but I've always as
a basketball player, I've always been around lesbians. Half my
friends are lesbians, still friends to this day. And I've
always had gay male friends. But you're the first trans
woman I've seen trans women, but you're the first trans
(25:12):
woman I can say that we actually have conversations and
we actually are friends, have become friends. And I tell
you this all the time. I forget your trans First
of all, let's just say, let's just keep one hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You're beautiful, Thank you, sister. And you don't let none
of them mfs. You can say, motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Don't let none of them motherfuckers tell you you look
like no man, because bitch you more feminine night.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But you let's start with that, okay, So just start
with that. So this leads me into this next place.
This place, go ahead, the villain era, the villain era.
(25:58):
Here's where you're about to be. Come a villain because yes,
I know that with this statement that you're getting ready
to say solutely come on with you about to have
caused a lot Well, we just gonna have to cause
some problems. You about to cause a lot of problems. Now,
let me explain to you what a villain error is.
(26:21):
Every outlaw gets labeled as a bad guy at some point,
but sometimes stepping into that role, it's what it takes
to live your truth. Maybe you stop people pleasing, maybe
you took a stand, maybe you made a mistake, Maybe
you did or said something that sparked genuine conversation, controversy
and conversation, or maybe the world just wasn't ready for you.
(26:44):
Here and right now it's your chance to tell the truth.
Bring the receipts and let us know what your villain
error was and what you learn from it. Come on, honestly,
my villain era was becoming your manager.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, yes, give my villain era was becoming your manager. Yes,
this black woman, I'm sorry, what do we say? What's
what's the correct terms?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Are? We still says? Oh God? Because you know I
can't keep up with the term. First of all, let
me start with this. I'm fifty five. I don't give
a shit about all these damn terms. I was born
a woman. Yeah, now what title you call that? I
don't know. You're a black woman, thank you, I'm a
black woman. What to different differentiate between the two of us?
You're a cis gender, okay, which I don't really like
(27:32):
even using that, right, So I said, I, what's the terms? You're?
Everybody will use the term, but then when you use
the term now, it's an issue. Yeahs Now, it's an issue.
That's the that's the gift of the curse that I
gotta be into. That's the issue.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But everybody else can use the term, but the moment
you use the term now, there's an issue. And I've
always had a problem with that, with just everything. I've
always been a rap about having good people around me.
First of all, I'm sleeping with you. I don't care
what's between you. Hey we're not sleeping again. Yeah, So
why do I care that you have what genitalia you have?
(28:07):
First of all, are you're a good person? Are you
you're you're loyal to a fault? I tell you that
all the time, because you got some folks. You need
to let go even currently let's start. We'll start with
that later.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But that's why you hit the sirel because you because
at the top you need to let go, because at
the top of the show you said you're dismissal I am,
and well listen, you dismissed the event, I am.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
But you are very loyal to a fault. You are
a true friend, You're You're a light, and I think
that's why the darkness has a problem with you. You
bring energy into any room the moment I met you
and you walked into the dealership. You bring energy into
any room, and it's infectious. It's infectious. I've seen you
(28:52):
in the airport with perfect strangers. It don't matter if
they black, if they white, if they're Hispanic or whatever race,
it don't matter.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
If they're young, itn't mater. If they're oh, it don't mari.
If they're gay, it don't matter if they're straight.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
People love you, People love you, and don't ever take
that for granted, and don't ever dismiss it either. Because
you got a couple of these assholes over here on
the side.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Who don't know you.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
See, we can all talk a lot behind the computer,
and as part of it is in social media. See,
I didn't grow up in social media, so it amazes
me how they can take a phrase that you say
and chop it up. Or it's sometime they even call
you somebody else, somebody else said it and they put
your name on it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And my whole thing with and I brought the reason
why I keep saying I'm a black woman because you
know that's always been an issue for me when I
see all that bullshit online about you hating black women.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yes, and that's why Legory was so you know, that
drives me nothing. I know it drives you nuts, but
it was so important that you be a part of
my representation. And Kendre, my lawyer, you're surrounded by black
women that you listen. I couldn't my mama, Like I
couldn't move if it wasn't for for a black woman,
(30:08):
I couldn't move. I couldn't move, I couldn't make a decision,
I couldn't make the right choice. I couldn't make Like
that is how important black women are to me.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And you have black women that aren't competing with you.
Let's start with that, because half your problem was villain.
You were surrounded by people that wanted to be you,
that wanted your fan that won't your glory, that want uh.
(30:38):
Anytime they put your name in a headline, they know
that's cliques.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I don't need your cliques. And I tell you all
the time. You don't even like clique click.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But I tell you all the time, Madison, your career
is taking off, and I'm I'm still a new manager,
and that any point in.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Time you need another manager to take you to the
next level. I am not offended. I'm still your friend.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I want the best for you. I want to see
you elevate. First of all, we need you need to
be what they call it the e got.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You need an e got. We gonna do it. Hello, Hello,
you need an egot.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
And if I can't take you to that level, you
saying that you need a new manager, that's business, that
ain't personal. You are still gonna be my friend. I'm
still gonna be sitting right there with you. Just get
me tickets.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm still gonna be sitting right there with you. I'm
gonna still be at your house eating Miss Marry food.
I'm gonna still be there for the holidays. We still
go Kiki crack. I'm talking about Dick every God damn dar.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We still gonna do the same things that we always do.
I'm your friend, that's business, and I want to see
you elevate. And if I'm not in a position or
if I'm holding you back, bitch, get a new manager.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I'm an event. You are an event, but your life
is getting in places.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And you know, when we first started, I said, Madison,
I don't even with contracts.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I was so happy we had Kendre come on board.
I don't know how to read all this stuff. So
this stuff is over my head. I don't even know
some of the terminology you was teaching me. Yeah, you
were teaching me, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
So at any point that you feel you need to
step it up or need to elevate. But see, that's
also you being loyal to a fault. That's because you're
loyal to me. But that don't have anything to do
with your business, because our friendship ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But it's also about me trusting people. Absolutely, you got
trust issues back I do. You definitely got trust issues
I do. But it's about me trusting people because people
have prayed on.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Me and they still try to. They still do, They
still try to, They try and even and that's part
of why. Also, I tell you you have friends that
call your phone and text you and ask you for
things and ask you for favors and ask you for
interviews and ask you for all kinds of things, and you,
because that's your friend, you say yes, but you didn't
(33:04):
check with your management team. And things don't always work
out that way. Sometimes there's conflicts. Sometime it's money, because
you know, the first thing I'm saying is how much
money they pay? It's it, Hello, I don't care if
that is your friend. Yes, what what do you get
out of this? Because you got to pay lamp? Yes,
you gotta pay a car, right, And.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I need listen all of that, and I've planning this event.
Thank you, thank you, But you, because you're loyal to people,
you're always saying yes.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So sometimes, as the villain, I got to step in
and say I'm sorry when Madison said I'm sorry, I
don't care what Madison see. This is, this is how
this is gonna go, or this is not gonna happen.
So sometimes I have to step in to be the villain.
But I want to circle back really quickly to that
whole black woman thing, because I think we scanned over
that really quick. My problem when I watch and I
(33:59):
listen with black women with black women, from one black
woman to another, I'm sorry, from one ciss heterosexual, whatever
the hell you want to call it to another. Let's
just keep it one hundred. You said, be the villain,
So I'm the villain.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well I'm not calling I'm not saying this. Gender Well
I said it, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Shit, correct me, correct me. The reason why I have
always had a problem is it amazes me. Like my
mother always used to say, you can't hit somebody and
then tell them how to hit you back. Remember when
you used to walk up to like I used to
hit my brother. My brother had was always practicing karate.
(34:39):
He was in the martial arts and we planned and
I would knock the shit out of him and he
would take my head off.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And now I'm crying to my mama. She said, well,
did you hit me first? Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Then you can't tell him how to hit you back.
So what I always have a problem with with black women,
and a lot of them are social media people trying
to get clicks. Tes Madison did this now I'm gonna
tell you right now, in the five years i've been
with you, I've never.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Seen you come for nobody.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Now i've seen you correct them, oh yeah, but I've
never seen you come for anybody. But we always have
these women who trying to get their platforms elevated.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Who come for you?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And when I say come for you, whatever remarks, how
you spend the narrative, how you chop up pieces to
make it look like you said this or you said that,
How they misquote you, this is what I said? Now,
how did you get that interpretation from that? Now they
gonna come on here and they're gonna put lies. They're
gonna put and to put it all over their platforms.
(35:40):
That ts Madison, because all that's all they got to
do is put your name in the headline. TS Madison
did this or TS Madison said that. Now you're doing
very good because for the past five years, the way
I used to see you read folks before me. It's
like Madison, First of all, the way your career is going,
like what they say, the way your bank accot only
(36:00):
set up. You can't address some of the stuff. You
can't you can't address the bottom feeders. But after a while,
even you can only take so much. I'd be like,
go ahead, yeah, you do, go ahead, because let them
have it.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But not a crying, not a woman. Yeah. And now
it's this man who's saying this to this black woman
and she hates black women. No, bitch, I hate you. Yeah,
because you came for me. And what would you say?
And I answered the door. Yeah, you rung the dough bell,
I open it. So you hit me, And now you're
(36:35):
supposed to tell me how I'm supposed to respond to you,
so you can't hit me in the hit me back.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's the problem I always have. And then you have
those people that say, well, le we're supposed to say
that because Madison paying her. I am fifty five years old,
and let's just keep them on hunt.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah. I don't need your money. You don't, bitch, I
need yours. You richer than me. I don't need your money.
I don't need your money, legr. I I like it.
I don't need it. I love that you spoke to this,
(37:12):
because here's now I can pose a question. Okay, come on, now,
this might this might get me in a little Oh okay, well,
well you used to being in hot waters go ahead.
Do you think as a black woman that black women
(37:35):
use that I'm a black woman as a shield? Absolutely? Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I think we've always been taught to use it to
our advantage when we need it. And it's something about
let's just keep it one hundred. Most of the people
that talk about you, you're pretty ear to Now. Oh,
I don't say.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You're more feminine than they are. What is more feminine? Legal, No, No,
it's more film.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I've been told I got big dick energy. I'm i'm, I'm, I'm,
I got a lot of testosterone.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I've been told, well, considering I've seen it, bit you do.
But that's a whole other conversation. You know, we'll be
here for him on that. But I've always been told
I have masculine energy, boss, you know. But I have
(38:34):
to be masculine.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Because who else gonna be, who else gonna handle, who's
gonna pay the bills at the house if I'm not
running my business?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
So I have to be a boss.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
But the right man brings that feminine energy out of you.
That right man softens you.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Have you seen it happen to me?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Absolutely, even when I didn't want it to because I
didn't like that nigga.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And it's been a couple Oh, but I'll let you
have it because that's your choice. It was fun. Yeah,
it was fun, and as long as you left, it
is fun.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
But when you start to try to get serious, I
was like, okay, now hold on, harp, Yeah, we need
to have some conversations.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I've always been attracted to two strong women because my
mother is a very strong, absolutely woman. And not only
is she a strong woman, she's a fighter. I ain't
never seen no man swing.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
On my mama mine either, never, I no, I take
that back. See now, look y'all, my mama gone now.
So y'all can't arrest my mama. But give us the storytelling.
You can't arrest my mama. I have to get an
edited version, give.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Us the album. My mama was crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
My mama was crazy, and there was never She always
would say, you never let a man put their hands
on you. Now, my mother also didn't put her hands
on a man, so she never initiated it. But I
saw my mother get hit one time, and I'm gonna
let y'all interpret this any kind of way you want to.
She is deceased, so y'all can't come for her no more,
(40:07):
because my mama was crazy. But I was a child,
so I didn't understand it until I got older. Someone
put their hands on my mother, and my mother didn't respond.
And remember I told you my mom. My mama is
a strong woman. Now she she didn't respond when this
man hit them that because my mother was calculating, she's
(40:28):
an ass Hello, oh hello.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
All of a sudden, I.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Remember we were eating the same meal out of two
different pots. We ate out the green pot kids death,
only he ate out the red pot.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But it was the same food. I didn't understand it
when I was a kid, so I the listeners, what
is going on? What's going on? Or he was a smoker.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
He was a fireman at the time, I think. I think, uh,
he was a fireman, I think. And and he smoked,
and he drank a lot. I don't know what it
was back then. It seemed like I think they like
worked twenty four hours and they.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Were off forty eight.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So he would fall asleep in the bathroom and in
the little half bath. And I don't know why why
men like take all their clothes if getting neaked to
use the bathroom, so you're neked on the toilet and
you're smoking, but you're you're a little drunk on the toilet, and.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That cigarette might just happen to fall on the on
the little rug below your feet or was that the cigarette?
Where does little fire come from at the feet?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
My mother played mind games. My mother played mind games
to the point that that man couldn't move two inches.
If my mother walked in the room, that man flinched
because he know what my crazy mamas.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
He never he never hit her again, never ever. But
it took my daddy, who is not my biological father,
but that's daddy, I think my sister.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
He came to pick my sister up one day and
my sister told him about the red pot and the
green pot, and my daddy came over to the house,
Come here, what you doing, because you know my mama.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Grace Way, what you doing? What's this red pot and
green pot? Because my daddy knew my mom what's what's
this red pot and green pot? So she was getting
I don't know what she's doing. She got so we
can't ask. But I didn't understand that until I got older.
(42:24):
I was like, oh lord, I've always been attracted to
very strong, powerful women, and I think that's probably why
why I'm always enamored and you're beautiful. I've been enamored
by that because that's that's what I've seen. Like my mama,
my aunt then was some real I used to say,
I saw a couple of pictures Miss Mary when she
(42:45):
was in the streets, but this is my mom is
a battle cat. My aunt was definitely a battle cat.
Those they just they're aries and they're strong. And so
when I get into the space where women play the villain,
and they started hiding behind the moniker. I'm a black woman.
(43:08):
There is a issue with the way that black women
are treated disproportionately. Absolutely, there is an issue with the
way black women are are murdered and mistreated, and then
even our health care, health care. I'm not that issue, right,
(43:29):
I'm not that issue, and I thank you for standing
in the gap letting it be known. Yeah, it is
a black woman issue, but that's not your black woman issue.
It's not your black woman issue. Is you absolutely absolutely see,
I've always seen black women as strength and and and
able to get through almost any adversity. We're the strength
(43:52):
of the house. I don't care how much money he
bring in the house. I don't care what bills he pay.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
We're the strength of the house, you know, and because
there haven't been found the home, we just strength outside
the house.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And we can wear
many many hats. So I think sometimes when I see
the comments and things, especially when you say something so
straightforward and direct, I'll say, how does she spend that?
Out of what you just said? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Like the spin that sometimes they put on the comments
or things that you make. So it drives me nuts
when people say, well, well, Legr gonna say that because
Legra's on her team. No, leg'r gonna tell Madison bit
you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, and I'm gonna need you to shut up yep
for a couple of days. Yeah, because you have done it.
You was wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Now, I know you was mad and you did da
da da, but you were wrong period. So I'm not
on your payroll to coddle me, absolutely not. I'm not
on your payroll to call you. I'm here, hopefully to
hopefully I'm bringing something positive outside of just you know,
contracts or gigs or something like that that I think
(44:58):
our friendship just as women, yes, just as women we
have the best conversation.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
You're done stepped on some toes. Man, I don't care
just putting me as.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Just just as women. We're women, we're women. My son
called you, auntie, we're women, we're women. And I tell
you all the time, Yes, okay, yes, Tyler. We got
to get this out there because this stuff is important.
(45:30):
This is this is stuff that's important that we needed
to have, that we need to have put on the
tis Massing experience that they they edited out because they
didn't have the thought process of what was going on here.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
There's a bit there's a major issue, a major event
that is going on between black transgender women and black
biological women that a lot of black women feel that
we are invading spaces. And I say to black women
(46:05):
all the time, ma'am, my existence has to do because
the men. That was gonna because it's because usually it
boils down to men. Hell, let's be clear, when we
talk about this ship, it boils down to men. It
ain't all about all my bad. You're not worried about
it from we just went the bathroom together. You winning
(46:26):
your start, I winning mind. You're not worried about your
son called me unity If you're saying, we would have
never told your son that I was the training, that
the training. He was still community. He still it's just
what it was. It boils down to men when you
when when, and and the people are gonna be in
(46:47):
the comments they are in this section because it boils
down to men whether they wanted to, because it's just like,
ain't no man, that won't you want me? That's not true.
First of all, I'm with you all the time. They
want you before, they want me to hush up, and
natives keep you want it.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
We're both beautiful, Yes, we're both beautiful, but they want
you before they want to shop.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
And some of them know who you are up front,
and when they don't know who you are, you're still
telling them who you are. Yes, you still tell them
who you are, and they still won't you. Yeah, but
they'll say they're a heterosexual man. But they are though,
because that's they're tired today. I thank you. They're a
heterosexual man. That's their identity. And so now I'm with
you and see it every day. Yeah, and the emails
(47:31):
that come in this you tell me you.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Get one more dick pick video, don't book Ts Madison
at gmail dot com is not.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
For your dick videos and pictures. I'm the one to
see them. And here's the and you want to know
the gag the gags if you really want to peep
me out you I tell you all the time, like
if you wasn't famous, if I can pimp you out,
because they comes in now, because the coens come in there.
(48:01):
But we have to address this legra. They want to move. Yes,
we have to address that. That is the that's a
lot of the problem. It's because it's just like they
have said to me, because when when we've been sitting
there watching it and it has blown you away because
I used to tell you initially it did. I used
to tell you about this you but then when you
(48:23):
started seeing it, you like, imagine these people are crazy
and they're not just every day people. Some of them
you might see on TV. Yeah, these people crazy. Hello,
And it's like I'm a I'm a woman, you're not,
and I want you out of that because that's what
(48:45):
that's the way I interpret it. Yeah, it's okay. If yeah,
it's all right. If you you know it's because dressing,
hair and makeup don't make you okay, Well, then if
it doesn't make me. And then why you weren't concerned
with it? And I'm telling you I'm trans. What's the problem? Absolutely?
Why are we here? Why are we still here? If
(49:06):
I tell you I got titties at the top, dick
at the bottom, but I still am a woman, a
trans woman, I'm saying trans girl. You remember I posted
a video about me said I was a trans woman.
It was because I had woman at the air that
you have a trans woman? I am, but it had
them in an uproar. You want me to identify as
a man. I'm not a man. I was born male.
(49:32):
I will hold your hand to to stand before the
consolutely until I was born with male. I'm not a man,
but you're not a man. And you and how it's
so it's so easy for you to understand that or
nobody else. I just want to know that from you.
I don't know why. I don't know why. I just
think I just look at people.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
First of all, it's not for me to tell you
how to identify. But I do respect how you identify.
And I ain't trying to be funy, I ain't gonna lie.
It's it's some some people that say they trends that
I'm sitting to go with the girl. You might need
to go back on those sides me too, you know.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
But to me, you're a beautiful black woman, And I
tell you all the time until I have to run
up in your room, rushing you while you getting dressed
and you step out the shower, We.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Get out of the shower, put your pats on home.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I forget that you are trends until sometime until I
see you naked because I'm talking to my girlfriend and
you always gonna be talking to your girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yes, And speaking of talking to your girlfriend. Our next
segment is called Rebel with a Cause. Now, this show
is called the Outlaws for a reason, and it's so
often an outlaw or pariah in our culture is ironically
(50:51):
really someone whose heart is in the right place. Uh,
someone with the courage to speak up and stand out
and push back when it matters most. They're the rebels
at heart, the voices of our time, challenging the status
quo and making a difference. Tell me about your mission
and what drives you and what you're fighting for and
how we can join the movement.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Wow, what I'm fighting for honestly, with our conversation went
a whole different direction. I'm fifty five, and it's something
about since I turned fifty, I almost feel like it's
almost like society makes older women invisible. Yeah, like we
ain't important all of a sudden, I'm you know what
I'm saying, Like we're not important anymore.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
So my mission is to let y'all know we're still here.
We still got it. Yeah, we're taking half y'all, young men,
we still got it. We strapped, we leaving you the scraps.
My mission is is for just being comfortable in your skin.
(51:56):
It took me fifty years to love me. Wow, I've
always liked me. I thought I was a nice person,
but I think it took me fifty years to actually
love me. I love who I am. I love my life.
I love my friends, I love my family. We may
not always like each other, but I love I love
(52:17):
the life that I've built, and I'm super excited about
seeing where it's going. My mission is, honestly just for
people to live in their truth and to respect each other.
And well, you know what, we all gonna meet the
Maker one day.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you right now, he ain't
gonna say, Legry, you lived a perfect life.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
He's she They them, Okay, Well, whoever up there.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Are not gonna say I lived a perfect life. But
I hope you see that I try. I hope until
that that that won't come back, you know. And he
makes me sing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
But other than that, man, I hope you can he
can say that I tried. So at fifty five, you
still it still get greased up? Well again it did.
It's not as greasy. It's coming back though. But that
was chemo. That was chemo. Chimo did a whole You
wouldn't monkey ranch. When I look at you, you wouldn't
(53:16):
believe it. You wouldn't believe it. When I want you
to sitt in a cross looking at you, you wouldn't
believe none of the stuff you went through. I got
surgery in two months. It's not over. But the thing
for me was the what got me through it again
was my great circle.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
But I never wanted to internalize that I was sick
when I got up every day, when I was leaving
my house, you wasn't.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I wasn't wearing that little beanie cap on my head.
I lost all my hair, I lost all my eyebrows,
my eyelashes. I didn't have a single piece of hair
on my body. My vision changed. I couldn't drive at
night because my vision changed. Mahu Ha changed. Nobody tell
you that shit. Mahu Ha changed my skin. I ate
the aches and the pins. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Chimo is a chemical. And when you and chemo and
you watch your nurse come over and put the little
suit on because they can't get it on their skin.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
They can't. That stuff can't touch them. But you hear it.
Inject this in my veins.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
It's getting ready to go to every single thing in
my body. Chemo don't know if cancer is just right here,
get just right here. It's going to everything in my body.
So everything in my body changed. I hurt from head
to toe, but I ain't want.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Nobody to know it. On the days that were good,
I got up, I put.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
My face on, pick which wig I was gonna wear
that day, put my heels on when I could.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Then I got neuopathy. So I have some cute little
shoes for.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Neuropathy, and I got I went out and I loved that.
Every time I went to chemo, my nurses, I had
the greatest nursing staff. They would always say, we just
waiting to see what she gonna wear when she come
in here.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Because I might be.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Pocahontas one day. I might have a dress on one day,
and I wouldn't internalize being sick, so when I look
in the mirror, I couldn't see a sick person.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Put your face on. Get up.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
But one of the best things that I ever did,
and I know you're gonna laugh, was get my puppies.
I got two dogs in the mystic Chemo. What it
did was it made me get up every single day.
I had to take my dogs outside. I had to
take them for a walk when I when my body said, no,
get up, get out of bed, feed your dogs, take
them outside, let them run, let them play, and that
(55:29):
love and kissing, the puppy love. You know, my son
was there, but it ain't nothing like them puppies. Them
puppies followed me everywhere I went, the snuggles, the hud.
They needed me, and it made me get up every
single solitary day, every single solitary day.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
That was one of the best things I did was
get my dogs. I bought my home during then and
everybody's oh wait, wait, you shouldn't. Don't you know you
don't know what's gonna happen. Would you tell me you
kept living? Would you tell me.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Not only my house, my dream house, get you get it,
go get your core. Those were the things that just
kept me going. Life wasn't over. Life wasn't over. I
didn't want to go to the they want you to
go to therapy for the group, therapy for cancer patients.
I don't want to hear your story. I don't want
to internalize your sickness. So let me just keep my
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little circle small, let me keep all the people that
needed to be around me. Let me get up and
take care of my dogs and take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
And before you knew it, it was over. Yeah, and
you listen. I was over that cry. You said, stop crying.
I got time for you to cry. Cry over there,
don't cry in front of me. I I don't know
what you I don't know what you cried. I'm not sick.
She said, she gonna get this. They gonna cut this out,
and we gonna keep going. And that was the best
(56:51):
thing I could have done. We went out of eight.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I state, I sure do get I still like my
filet I like my file at you know, we had
a good time and I still traveled. I could be
sick in bed, or I could be sick on the beach.
I chose the beach, so I was going all the time.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
I gotta say it was. And I think that's the
way that you you got to get through you know
who I see do that. Even though we bump here
us a lot. My mama said, don't speak that over me.
Don't you dare say handy kept over me, because when
you start toe that, that subconscious will start internalizing that.
(57:30):
And I can't live my life like that. I still
got some mother fucking me to speaking of fuckinging that.
The next segment is called ban it Bitch. It's time
to ban it bitch. This is where we call out
what's going on the powers that be. Uh. This is
(57:52):
what we call it was Uh. It's time to ban it, bitch.
This is where we call out what's gotta go. The
powers that be are banning all the wrong things. Drag shows, books,
celebrating LBGTQ, voices, anything that shakes their dusty little comfort zones.
But let's be real, there are some things in this
world that actually need to go. Shoes off on the plane,
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meetings that should be emails and the cost of eggs.
Ban it. So here's how it works. We each get
one minute to make our case, no holds barred, off
the cuff from our heart, whatever's on your mind. I'll
go first to show you how it's done. Producers, can
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you set a timer for a minute. Okay, So show
me how it's done. Show me how it's done. You ready,
all right? Ready? Three? Two? What I'm a black woman.
You can't do that to me. Oh I'm supposed to
respond just that a black woman. You can't do that
(58:58):
to me. I'm a black woman. You can't do that
to me, band it bitch. Okay, next you you go, Oh, I.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Gotta name something. Yeah, okay, I don't. Oh goodness, I
just when I said it just left my mind.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Okay, I'm a black woman. Let's start that again. Start
that again, tylers, I'm a black woman. You can't do
that to me. Band it bitch. You gotta ban that
for me, Leger, because it's just like, yes's the thing.
You can't hit a man and then become a black woman.
That's what I'm saying. You can't hit me. Hide behind
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the shield. You can't do that, and they say, now
I'm in trouble. You can't be the instigator and then
hide behind something that is truly, something truly that needs
to be protected. You can't instigate it and then hide
behind it and be like, Okay, well now I'm gonna
do it. I'm gonna run out here, I'm gonna bush
you across the head with a bottle. I'm gonna stab
you in your throat, I'm gonna slice your your your kneecap,
(59:56):
and you're not and you're not allowed to hit me there.
And you can't do that in to me because I'm
I'm a black woman, a right, Okay, Well you know what,
I have a black son, and in this new.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Era of regime, which regime that's getting ready to come forward, Hey,
you I have a black son. I'm gonna say speak
for him. You can't do everything to the black man.
You can't say everything to the black man. You can't
treat the black man any kind of way just because
he's black.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Oh I did I think I started. I'm speaking for
my son. I'm speaking for my son, all right. So
let's go from the top. Count me in and now
I'll go because I'm just gonna go right back, Okay,
go right back to yours. All right, So we got
one minute here we go. For me, I want to
(01:00:54):
ben I'm a black woman. I'm in distress, and then
you go out there and you you do ill shit,
and then you come back in under the cover of like, hey,
protect me because I'm a black woman, and because I
do believe in protecting black women. I do not the
ones that insight, not the ones that instigate, not the
ones that the aggressors. Not the ones that are are
(01:01:17):
are being evil and malicious. Not those ones. I'm not
saying they didn't deserve protection, but I'm just saying that
they are not. If you started, bitch, you were a
black woman when you started it, be a black woman
all the way through. Don't get over here jumping in
saying now now you need to be protected when you were,
when you were the aggressor. That's just how I feel.
And yeah, and I love black women and I'm gonna
(01:01:39):
always fight for black women. But if you're an instigator,
you on your own. I love that. Well. I'm gonna
speak for my son.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Okay, okay, with us getting ready to go into this
new regime, I'm gonna speak for my son because I
never felt fear until him leaving the home, until we
had that president that is now becoming president again, where
Karen's felt like they had the right to say and
(01:02:09):
do what they wanted to do to our black men,
or or to to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Incite or to make up lies. You remember how much
how much hatred that came out during that regime, and
we're ready to step into that again, and they feel
like they have more power now. So I'm speaking for
my son.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
That the police being able to do what they what
they want to do on site. We already know where
that's going to be directed at, at at the at
the minority community. So I'm speaking to ban some of
the policies that we know are coming that's going to
be directed not just at trans, but at trans, at black,
(01:02:50):
at LGBT, at minorities.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I say, ban it, ban it, ban it, ban it,
dan it all right, So I mean unbanded, you know.
And I just here's the thing. I'm on both sides
of that with that, because listen, here's the gag. You
want to know the gag. But I'm gonna gag and
gonna say something that's gonna shake the table. I'm a
(01:03:13):
black man. Hello, I'm a black woman. Hello, I'm a
black train. Hello, I'm a I'm a black LGBT. There's
so many layers and nuances to to things that affect me.
Absolutely that I fall under all the categories. It that way,
m hm. You check all the boxes, all the boxes.
(01:03:34):
So when I talk to my black people who watch me,
and I tell them that I'm in danger, absolutely don't
other me. You've othered me when I check when I
fit all the boxes. But you've othered me as soon
as you think the rainbow, as soon as you think
that I'm the Skittles girl. Stop othering your people. Yes, yes,
(01:03:58):
black people, stop others your people. When we were down
in that race to the White House, when it was
time for that, and I seen the people saying, oh,
I'm not going because she's upholding things for gay people.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I'm black first, that when they see you down the street,
they're gonna see you black first.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I'm black, I'm a black male, I'm a black transgender woman.
I'm fat. Let's be not even talking about when we
start getting down to it, we start breaking the coverage down.
I have pre existing conditions, everything absolutely so there were
so many things that were so when we say you're
(01:04:39):
in danger, you're in danger. Yes, from every category, from
every category. See me as a human, if I could
see you, if I could know you as a black woman,
was down there fighting for me, and you was fighting
for me, not just because it was for me, because
it was for you, just for your son and for
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these all these things. And I know as those black
men that set that out. When I was down there
in that booth, I wasn't just voting for me. It
was voting for all of us, for all of us.
And that's that's white as well. That affects women no
matter what color you are. Yeah, you were voting for everybody.
Well you know, usually people vote according to their household. Yeah,
(01:05:24):
I mean, but you were voting for everyone. Yeah, Legra,
it has been amazing we have had you for having me.
I had a good time. I know we're hongry. Yes,
we all listen. You are always welcome to come back
to give us updates. Where can the people find you?
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
You can go to info at Global Travelers LLC dot com,
or you can go online at Global Travelers and Company
dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah, and then you know you got so much events
putting together for me, and you know, some other folks,
some other folks, and you know you're amazing, You are amazing.
You're amazing person. I thank you, thank you so much
for being here with me today. Thank you for having me.
This has been the Outlaws. Y'all. Outlaws is a production
of The Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment.
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Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olizia Piece, I'm your
host Tias Madison. We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz,
Maya Howard and Tias Madison. Our simpervising producer is Jessica
Krincicch and our producers are Joey pat and Carmen Braul.
Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz, and our sound editor
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Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme
song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show art is
by Pablo Montana. I Got You next week, Honey,
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There are times that I'm always sitting back in my
space and saying, man, never would have made all. Yeah,
you know. Each time that I'm able to get on
a podcast or just be a part of a new
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show or new situation, I'm always excited because I always
get the opportunity to sit down with amazing people. And
not just amazing people, not amazing people that are amazing
to the world, amazing people that are amazing to the public,
but amazing people that are in my life. People that
I have fun with, people that I talk trash with,
(01:39):
people that I tell some of my business to, not
all my business, but some of my business too, and
just you know, people that have made moves around in
the life of the ts and ladies and gentlemen, without
further ado, I would like to introduce somebody that was
strategically placed in my presence by the one I truly
(02:06):
think and before I even introduced you, I truly think
that that this person's presence in my life was definitely
something that was kind of ordained because I really had
no inkling of buying a new car. I met this
person by I get it to buy a new car,
(02:28):
and uh, I was I really didn't need a new car.
I didn't want a new car. I didn't need to
We'll see, here's here's here this time, I want to
lead this in. I didn't need a new car. I
needed a new manager. Liden to put your hands together
for my manager, Lera Collin.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Thank you first time me saying I'm so honored, uh,
just to actually be being interviewed with you, sitting down
talking to you and I have a lot of private conversations. Yeah,
we had one yesterday, right, we have a lot of
price a conversation. So I'm very interested to see where
this is going to go today because you know we'll.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Go everywhere, well, yeah, everywhere, and then back right right,
so leg right, here's the thing I'm not introducing you.
You introducing you goodness. So here is the area of
my show where it's called talk Yo Ship Talk talko shit,
so I can curse, oh goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
First of all, I am an entrepreneur, and I like
to think that I'm a very good friend. Let's start
with that, because in everything that I do, I like
to surround myself with good people.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Hint, hints. While you and I are friends, Okay, I'm
an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I owned a I hate to call it a travel agency,
more of an event management agency, which is how we
really became very close. We did a trip to the
Dominican Republic and took some fans overseas for the first time,
and and I got to do what I love to
do because I like to entertain. I love to throw
a party. I love I love good people around me,
(04:05):
and I try to surround me. I'm this person that's
I'm very reserved. A lot of people think I'm very reserved,
but I'm observant, you know, I like to look at everything.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
First of all, I'm a Capricorn. You know, was didn't
want to be I am.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I am a true Capricorn. We will cut you off
in a minute. We keep good people around us. I'm
a single mom, love love, love love. I have an
adult son. I'm an entrepreneur. I own an agency. It's
called Global Travelers LLC. You can look it up at
Global Travelers and Company dot com.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm an investor. You and I are investors together, and
I'm always trying to learn. I'm always trying to learn,
always trying to level up.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Always, that's the true Capricorn, always bout the coins, trying
to level up and try to be better every day.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So that's that's just like in a nutshell. So uh,
now that you done told me that part of legate,
tell me the bad beach. Ah, that bad bitch. Now
why are you a single mother? You're a beautiful woman.
Why are you a single mother? What made you? What
is the reason why that you are a single mother?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know, first of all, I'm gonna go back to
a little bit of my childhood. Okay, my mother has
always called me star child. My mother called me star
child all my life, and that was pressure. That was
actually pressure to try to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
All the time. I was the star child.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And I ended up going to college on a basketball scholarship.
I met my then husband while I was in college.
I got married at twenty two, Oh, at twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And I asked, because you know, a person never never
asks of me, get it right, because you know I'm black.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Right, as if you never asked a person never a
person is never supposed to ask a woman. They I'm
fifty five and very very proud of it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Fifty five.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yes, I amuls and it's been a journey to get
to fifty five. I'm very thankful to see fifty five.
I lost my mother at fifty four. Oh, and so
I've always had this fear. Oh my god, what's at
fifty four? I'm approaching fifty four. So I'll be fifty
five next month.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay. So you'll be fifty five soon, yes, very socause
we don't know when it's going to heir. So you'll
be fifty five soon. Yes, be fifty five soon. Okay.
And so you got married at twenty two? Finished, I
meet you out.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, I got married at twenty two. But if you
think about it, who are you at twenty two. I
didn't know myself at twenty two, So I say I'm
a single mother because I think I didn't take the
time to really get to know myself. I went you know,
I was raised by my mother, and then I went
to basketball. I went to college and played on a
basketball scholarship, which the university kind of takes care of
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you a little bit. And then I immediately was married.
I had never lived on my own, I had never
had to struggle, I had never had to figure things out.
It was almost like people were always doing things for me.
And so when I decided to get a divorce, I
was thirty years old, and now this time I.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Have a baby.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I never even baby sat before, let alone try to
raise a child. You know, it was very It was tough.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It was tough. You know, I was still really a child,
a child. So you got married at twenty two, yes,
and you got divorced at thirty. Yes. Tell me about
those eight years. Those eight years.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I married my best friend, and he is an absolutely
wonderful man. He's an absolutely wonderful father. We just weren't
meant to be married.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Why. I think we were just young. You know, you
think got young love. You know you met in college.
Oh my god, I'm so in love.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I didn't know who I was at twenty two, and
at the time he was twenty six, he was in
grad school. When I met him, and I just think
we were young and we just didn't have ants to
mature and to grow into who we truly thought we
were or who we were meant to be. I think
I've always done things as the star child as I
was supposed to. You know, you gradually get that high
school diploma, go to college.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And get your degree. He's supposed to get married. I
did all the things that I was told I was
supposed to do, but it wasn't for me. What was
his sign? What's right now? Sagittarius? Yeah, yeah, Sagittarius. So
Capricorn and a Sagittarius. Yes, isn't that supposed to be
a good match. I don't know the zodiac like that?
Was he good in bed? We're not gonna have that conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He is recently married, well he's not recently married, but
he is remarried, And to be honest with you, I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I'm a Capricorn. You know we cut it off. I
don't remember. Just to be honest, So the answer is no, No,
I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that.
I'm gonna say I don't remember. You don't.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'm a Capricorn. You ready know that I will cut
you off in a heartbeat. I know and can't think
and don't remember what we talked by yesterday, but you
know if something's good.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Though honestly I don't remember. But no, he's been a
he's a great father.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And it's funny because we had a conversation a few
years after we were divorced, but he's still family, so
it's like he like that.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, so y'all still have a working relationship becau, y'all have, absolutely, Absolutely,
y'all did meet him, yes, and his wife, and they're wonderful,
wonderful people. They're wonderful people, absolutely, And just because you're divorced,
has he ever tried to come back? No? No, I
mean before he married that one? No, no, no, no, no,
(09:38):
he hasn't. So this was truly something that you both
did in y'all youth.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yes, I think I initiated the divorce, but having these conversations,
having conversations, especially after a divorce, everything you're kind of
looking in hindsight like did I do everything I could
have done to save them marriage? All those different things,
And honestly, I think we were both just really young.
(10:05):
We were just really young. And it's not necessarily age
because you know, maturity don't have a age on it,
It does not flow. So I just think we were
both just very young, and you know, he hadn't He
had some traumas and things he had to deal with.
I had some traumas and things I had to deal with,
And I think it just took us to get a
little older.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But we're we're we're in a great place. May I
ask you about one of any of those traumas that
you had to do with? What? What were what were
some of them for me?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I think for me, I think it was always just
trying to be perfect. I never felt like I could
be myself. I had to live up to other people's expectations.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Who pushed you to do that?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think, and you know, honestly, I think I put
it on myself just to be honest, you know, when
you're first of all, I was a straight A student.
I'm from Ohio, graduated third in my class, and I
was a star athlete. I had a full academic scholarships.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I had full athletic scholarships, you know, And I think
I put a lot of that pressure on myself, you know,
being the good girl all the time. Are you an
only child? No, No, I have.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm the middle child. So I got middle child syndrome.
So I got even more issues.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So you're in the middle of how many siblings do
you have?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It was three of us growing up. It was three
of us, you know, so I felt always felt like,
you know, my brother was mom's favorite and my sister
was Dad's favorite. And I always felt like I was
the one in the middle. But that's that middle child
syndrome thing.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Girl, And that's what that was another thing that added
on more pressure. Okay, more pressure. So here on the show,
we have a segment called Eureka. Eureka. Now we celebrate
those lightning boat moments when you realize that you weren't
just going to walk the path and that you were
going to blaze your own trail. What was a moment
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or the moment that's sparked that clarity for you. I
think it was when actually I relocated to Atlanta. And
you know, we have this relationship with our parents or
this view of our parents when we're children. But I
when I graduated from high school, I moved away. I
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had never moved back home, so I wasn't raised as
an adult. I didn't see my mother while I was
an adult. I always had that child view of my mother.
So I think it was when I moved to Atlanta
and my mother had relocated to Atlanta. So it was
the first time I got to be around her woman
to woman and not just mother child, and I got
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to see her as an entrepreneur. I got to see
her as she was. She was strong. She was a
strong woman, and I always knew I wanted to you
know what, that's that's what I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm supposed to I'm not supposed to just follow the
norm because there was nothing normal about her. And that's
Paly why she pushed me to be normal, because there
was nothing normal about her.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So when you said there was nothing normal about her,
point something. Now. Wait.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We used to call my mother the Dawn, oh, because
if you didn't have that black skin, you would have
thought she was Italian real, Okay, you would have thought
she was mafia because that was the Dawn. We used
to call her the Dawn because she was just a
balse and I liked that. She was bossy for one,
and she always had a lot of men around. But
they weren't men in relationships like what do you need done?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You need to get this here, call so and so.
She had always had a network of of of if
you need a plumber here, call this person, you need this,
call this person, anything that you needed done. It was
almost like she just orchestrated out. She was the queen. Yeah,
she was the queen in the center. And I love
that about her. And I was like, you know what,
that's that's that's how I see myself. That's how I
(13:54):
see myself.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think that eureka moment that I didn't have to
follow the norm was as I got to know my
mother as a woman, because I always, you know, you know,
you have that mommy, you know, child view of your mother.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
But when I saw her as a woman, and my
mother was married four times. Wait a minute, leg my
mother's married four times. Wait a minute. Hell, I didn't
even meet the last one. It was so quick. Wait
a minute, Like I didn't even get to meet the
last one. It was so quick because she was okay, ye,
done and on to the next What was your mother's side?
(14:28):
She was on Aquarius. Is that good or bad?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You know, I don't know the zodiac, like well she's
air like me, and you know, I move on in
a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Absolutely. That is very interesting. Yeah, she was. She was
a boss and I loved it. And I was like,
that's gonna be I want to I just I don't
want to be nosy. Go ahead, be nosy. I do
be nosy. So your mother had four husbands, Yes, she did.
And you now in your life right now, are single.
(14:59):
Mm hmm. You're fifty five. Yes, where you're trying to
get given, I'm asking so so so. And you say
your mother transitioned when she was fifty four. Yes, And
you said, all the way up until you knew your
mama mm hmm, kepting me. I always had a man,
what's going on with me? Like you're trying what you're
(15:21):
trying to say? Something wrong? Man, I'm trying to forget
what's going on. Obviously, you patterned these things, You've patterned
so much stuff after your mom. Well you know what,
I patterned things after her. But that don't mean I'm
identical to her.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
There's things about her I liked, there's things about her
I didn't like, Like, tell me, well, my mother. I
think I'm also very dismissive. I do dismiss people very quickly,
and I think my mother. I think my mother needed
to sometimes take time to be single sometimes. So for me,
(15:52):
I was never in a rush to get married again.
I've never wanted to be for in forgiving. This is
no knock against anyone. I never wanted to be anybody's
baby mama. Hence why I had my son after I
was married.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And people are saying, you want more kids. Yeah, I
wanted more kids, but I wanted my husband first.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I was always very careful to make sure I
didn't have more kids because it wasn't ideal for me
to be a single mother.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I just was.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And so I think I took my thirties because I
was married all during my twenties. I think I just
took my thirties to kind of figure out who Legra was.
I was struggling. I was trying to figure out what
I wanted to do with my life. I got degrees
I don't use, you know, just trying to find my path.
And I think in my forties I have fun. Thirties
(16:43):
was a learning period. Forties was fun.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So my question is in your thirties, yes you were
sexually sexually liberated. Yes, I was. I don't want to
dig deep in your business, but I'm going to do
because you know we'd talk about I would talk about
it when you and I got together. We're going to
go back to that because we gotta we gotta jump around.
(17:06):
When you and I got together, We're gonna talk about that.
But I want to talk about a space to where girl,
when we fell out laughing, when you had that damn
Karma Suta chair, I still got it. I know. When
I knew that you had that Karma Suture chair, I said,
legr is the free and I hunted that down and
I think in COVID you did because you know what
(17:28):
you used to send me pictures and links to this
Karma Suture chair. Yes, I had that, And one thing
that I have always enjoyed was a sexually liberated woman. Yes,
because I'm very sexually free. You know, I like you know,
I like him. I like him. I like a heap,
(17:56):
but I want one, Yes, but I like a heap
of them. Yes. Is this something? It was something in
the air that had me child the Yeah, get a
sip of Walter. So you do you fully immerse yourself
in sexual liberation? No?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No, I don't no, I don't, and especially now you
know I had a cancer diagnosis two years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Tell me about that. You know what I remember.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
The hardest part about it was, first of all, I
always thought I was very healthy, and let me take
that back.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I am healthy. I just had cancer. Yeah, we go,
let's start with that. I was never sick. I had cancer.
And I hearing it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Was the jar because when you hear the C word,
fear initially came over. Lord, I gotta get my house
in order. Oh my god, what is my son gonna do?
Like all these things came in and I remember when
I met with my doctor for the first time, they
told me over the telephone. So I think that was
the hard part. And then you know, you need to
see your breast cancer surgeon. Who has a breast cancer.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Surgeon on speed die? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So but I was fortunate enough. And I say fortunate
because it's not fortunate that I knew other people that
had breast cancer. But because I had a dear friend
to me that had breast cancer, she was able to
give me direction. Call this person, called this person, called
this person. But of course, like doctor's offices, I had
to wait three weeks to find out if I'm living
or dying. So I remember going to meet my doctor
(19:35):
for the first time, and she was a beautiful woman.
I have the best doctors in the world over at Piedmont,
and she's telling me the history of cancer and the
type of cancer I have and stuff. I say, excuse me,
excuse Am I dying?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right? Get to the point. We've been waiting for three weeks? Yeah,
am I dying? She said, oh no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I said, well start with that first, because I've been
waiting for three weeks for somebody to tell me if
I'm dying. And she said, no, it's going to be
a struggle, and I'm not going to tell you it's
going to be easy, but we're gonna get you through it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I said, what, that's all I need to hear. You
won't continue whatever else you're talking about. And that just
was the reassurance that you needed to That's all I
needed to just fight. That's all I needed. And when
I tell you the best thing that I did, well
you you said you saw me you going through the struggle. Yeah,
I did.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Not many people knew I had cancer, and we kept
that a secret. Absolutely, we kept it a secret because
what you told me, was that you didn't want I
want no pity.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You want no pity, you want no sympathy. Yeah, absolutely not.
And also because we so connected. You know how people
are like, well, that's what she gets, you know, the
people that disliked me or hate me, that what she get.
Notice and the other and especially.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like my cancer diagnosis have anything to do with you, right,
But they'll link all that together justice because that's.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What they did. But it was also, you know, because
of the way we met. Yes, we can now we
can jump back to how we met. Yes, I was
the spirit told me to get up and go buy
a car. If my mother was here, she would tell
you you didn't need a car. I didn't need a car.
I did not need no car. Yes, but I wanted
(21:12):
another car. I wanted a twenty. I wanted a two thousand,
and there was some kind of Infinity. I wanted an
Infinity h M thirty seven car because I liked the
body style. I wanted to put rims on it. And
at the time, I just happened to be in the dealership.
You were at the dealer with a family member, which
with your with your sister and brother. M Yep, he
(21:36):
was there and you walked across the lot and my
brother said, that's TS Madison. I said, who, So I'm
you know off the phone. Let me google who is
GS Madi? And of course, like I said, I own
a travel company. And I was like, oh, I need
to talk to her. You did she need to do
something with her fans? She got a she got a
lot of fans. You did say that, and you came
in and tore the place up like you usually, just
(21:58):
flirting with everybody. And because they were, they were. I
still remember that little car wash man was following you around.
But listen, legs, I didn't need a car. You didn't.
And I just gave you my car and I said,
you need to talk to me. I got something for it.
You did, I didn't. I want to emphasize, yes, I
(22:22):
didn't need a car. You did not need a car.
We were supposed to meet. I needed a manager and
someone who knew absolutely nothing about being You didn't know
anything about being a manager to know. And I went
through a very public public break up, the break up
with my management. Yes, very nasty, very vile, very trying
(22:48):
to tear my image down. And handed it very well. Yeah,
you handled it well and then I emerged with the
new manager who very much so set ship straight, sets
ship in order, and not only set ship in order,
you don't get emotional. I want to let you know
(23:09):
you set stuff in order. And my words to you
were exactly this you said to me tis message. I
don't know how to be a manager. That's exactly what
I'm an event planner. And what I said, I'm an
event mm hmm, that's exactly what you said. I am
an event planned me. That's exactly what you said. Here
(23:33):
we are, what four years, it'll be five, It'll be
five in February. Yeah, yeah, it'll be five. Beyonce yes,
drag Race, Yes, TV show, movies, movies, all this stuff, everything,
and it's just the beginning. I didn't need a car.
I needed a manager. Absolutely. I want the people out
(23:56):
there to listening. That's gonna that can take the undertones
of that. And I'm sorry a black woman, a black woman. Hello.
Sometimes people gotta understand you don't need a core, you
need a manager, no place here where you need to be.
You don't need a job, you need a career. But
(24:20):
let me say it goes both ways. Because I needed
you to really absolutely come on tabbing. Absolutely no, I
needed you too. I needed you too, and at the
time I may not have known it. You may not
have known you needed me at the time that we met,
but I needed you too. Just the difference of how
(24:42):
my life is since you've been in my life. Yeah,
just the circle of people now, first.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Of all being I'm not LGBT, but I've always as
a basketball player, I've always been around lesbians. Half my
friends are lesbians, still friends to this day. And I've
always had gay male friends. But you're the first trans
woman I've seen trans women, but you're the first trans
(25:12):
woman I can say that we actually have conversations and
we actually are friends, have become friends. And I tell
you this all the time. I forget your trans First
of all, let's just say, let's just keep one hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You're beautiful, Thank you, sister. And you don't let none
of them mfs. You can say, motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Don't let none of them motherfuckers tell you you look
like no man, because bitch you more feminine night.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But you let's start with that, okay, So just start
with that. So this leads me into this next place.
This place, go ahead, the villain era, the villain era.
(25:58):
Here's where you're about to be. Come a villain because yes,
I know that with this statement that you're getting ready
to say solutely come on with you about to have
caused a lot Well, we just gonna have to cause
some problems. You about to cause a lot of problems. Now,
let me explain to you what a villain error is.
(26:21):
Every outlaw gets labeled as a bad guy at some point,
but sometimes stepping into that role, it's what it takes
to live your truth. Maybe you stop people pleasing, maybe
you took a stand, maybe you made a mistake, Maybe
you did or said something that sparked genuine conversation, controversy
and conversation, or maybe the world just wasn't ready for you.
(26:44):
Here and right now it's your chance to tell the truth.
Bring the receipts and let us know what your villain
error was and what you learn from it. Come on, honestly,
my villain era was becoming your manager.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, yes, give my villain era was becoming your manager. Yes,
this black woman, I'm sorry, what do we say? What's
what's the correct terms?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Are? We still says? Oh God? Because you know I
can't keep up with the term. First of all, let
me start with this. I'm fifty five. I don't give
a shit about all these damn terms. I was born
a woman. Yeah, now what title you call that? I
don't know. You're a black woman, thank you, I'm a
black woman. What to different differentiate between the two of us?
You're a cis gender, okay, which I don't really like
(27:32):
even using that, right, So I said, I, what's the terms? You're?
Everybody will use the term, but then when you use
the term now, it's an issue. Yeahs Now, it's an issue.
That's the that's the gift of the curse that I
gotta be into. That's the issue.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But everybody else can use the term, but the moment
you use the term now, there's an issue. And I've
always had a problem with that, with just everything. I've
always been a rap about having good people around me.
First of all, I'm sleeping with you. I don't care
what's between you. Hey we're not sleeping again. Yeah, So
why do I care that you have what genitalia you have?
(28:07):
First of all, are you're a good person? Are you
you're you're loyal to a fault? I tell you that
all the time, because you got some folks. You need
to let go even currently let's start. We'll start with
that later.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But that's why you hit the sirel because you because
at the top you need to let go, because at
the top of the show you said you're dismissal I am,
and well listen, you dismissed the event, I am.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
But you are very loyal to a fault. You are
a true friend, You're You're a light, and I think
that's why the darkness has a problem with you. You
bring energy into any room the moment I met you
and you walked into the dealership. You bring energy into
any room, and it's infectious. It's infectious. I've seen you
(28:52):
in the airport with perfect strangers. It don't matter if
they black, if they white, if they're Hispanic or whatever race,
it don't matter.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
If they're young, itn't mater. If they're oh, it don't mari.
If they're gay, it don't matter if they're straight.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
People love you, People love you, and don't ever take
that for granted, and don't ever dismiss it either. Because
you got a couple of these assholes over here on
the side.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Who don't know you.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
See, we can all talk a lot behind the computer,
and as part of it is in social media. See,
I didn't grow up in social media, so it amazes
me how they can take a phrase that you say
and chop it up. Or it's sometime they even call
you somebody else, somebody else said it and they put
your name on it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And my whole thing with and I brought the reason
why I keep saying I'm a black woman because you
know that's always been an issue for me when I
see all that bullshit online about you hating black women.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yes, and that's why Legory was so you know, that
drives me nothing. I know it drives you nuts, but
it was so important that you be a part of
my representation. And Kendre, my lawyer, you're surrounded by black
women that you listen. I couldn't my mama, Like I
couldn't move if it wasn't for for a black woman,
(30:08):
I couldn't move. I couldn't move, I couldn't make a decision,
I couldn't make the right choice. I couldn't make Like
that is how important black women are to me.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And you have black women that aren't competing with you.
Let's start with that, because half your problem was villain.
You were surrounded by people that wanted to be you,
that wanted your fan that won't your glory, that want uh.
(30:38):
Anytime they put your name in a headline, they know
that's cliques.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I don't need your cliques. And I tell you all
the time. You don't even like clique click.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But I tell you all the time, Madison, your career
is taking off, and I'm I'm still a new manager,
and that any point in.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Time you need another manager to take you to the
next level. I am not offended. I'm still your friend.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I want the best for you. I want to see
you elevate. First of all, we need you need to
be what they call it the e got.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You need an e got. We gonna do it. Hello, Hello,
you need an egot.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
And if I can't take you to that level, you
saying that you need a new manager, that's business, that
ain't personal. You are still gonna be my friend. I'm
still gonna be sitting right there with you. Just get
me tickets.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm still gonna be sitting right there with you. I'm
gonna still be at your house eating Miss Marry food.
I'm gonna still be there for the holidays. We still
go Kiki crack. I'm talking about Dick every God damn dar.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We still gonna do the same things that we always do.
I'm your friend, that's business, and I want to see
you elevate. And if I'm not in a position or
if I'm holding you back, bitch, get a new manager.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I'm an event. You are an event, but your life
is getting in places.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And you know, when we first started, I said, Madison,
I don't even with contracts.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I was so happy we had Kendre come on board.
I don't know how to read all this stuff. So
this stuff is over my head. I don't even know
some of the terminology you was teaching me. Yeah, you
were teaching me, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
So at any point that you feel you need to
step it up or need to elevate. But see, that's
also you being loyal to a fault. That's because you're
loyal to me. But that don't have anything to do
with your business, because our friendship ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But it's also about me trusting people. Absolutely, you got
trust issues back I do. You definitely got trust issues
I do. But it's about me trusting people because people
have prayed on.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Me and they still try to. They still do, They
still try to, They try and even and that's part
of why. Also, I tell you you have friends that
call your phone and text you and ask you for
things and ask you for favors and ask you for
interviews and ask you for all kinds of things, and you,
because that's your friend, you say yes, but you didn't
(33:04):
check with your management team. And things don't always work
out that way. Sometimes there's conflicts. Sometime it's money, because
you know, the first thing I'm saying is how much
money they pay? It's it, Hello, I don't care if
that is your friend. Yes, what what do you get
out of this? Because you got to pay lamp? Yes,
you gotta pay a car, right, And.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I need listen all of that, and I've planning this event.
Thank you, thank you, But you, because you're loyal to people,
you're always saying yes.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So sometimes, as the villain, I got to step in
and say I'm sorry when Madison said I'm sorry, I
don't care what Madison see. This is, this is how
this is gonna go, or this is not gonna happen.
So sometimes I have to step in to be the villain.
But I want to circle back really quickly to that
whole black woman thing, because I think we scanned over
that really quick. My problem when I watch and I
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listen with black women with black women, from one black
woman to another, I'm sorry, from one ciss heterosexual, whatever
the hell you want to call it to another. Let's
just keep it one hundred. You said, be the villain,
So I'm the villain.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well I'm not calling I'm not saying this. Gender Well
I said it, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Shit, correct me, correct me. The reason why I have
always had a problem is it amazes me. Like my
mother always used to say, you can't hit somebody and
then tell them how to hit you back. Remember when
you used to walk up to like I used to
hit my brother. My brother had was always practicing karate.
(34:39):
He was in the martial arts and we planned and
I would knock the shit out of him and he
would take my head off.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And now I'm crying to my mama. She said, well,
did you hit me first? Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Then you can't tell him how to hit you back.
So what I always have a problem with with black women,
and a lot of them are social media people trying
to get clicks. Tes Madison did this now I'm gonna
tell you right now, in the five years i've been
with you, I've never.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Seen you come for nobody.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Now i've seen you correct them, oh yeah, but I've
never seen you come for anybody. But we always have
these women who trying to get their platforms elevated.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Who come for you?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And when I say come for you, whatever remarks, how
you spend the narrative, how you chop up pieces to
make it look like you said this or you said that,
How they misquote you, this is what I said? Now,
how did you get that interpretation from that? Now they
gonna come on here and they're gonna put lies. They're
gonna put and to put it all over their platforms.
(35:40):
That ts Madison, because all that's all they got to
do is put your name in the headline. TS Madison
did this or TS Madison said that. Now you're doing
very good because for the past five years, the way
I used to see you read folks before me. It's
like Madison, First of all, the way your career is going,
like what they say, the way your bank accot only
(36:00):
set up. You can't address some of the stuff. You
can't you can't address the bottom feeders. But after a while,
even you can only take so much. I'd be like,
go ahead, yeah, you do, go ahead, because let them
have it.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But not a crying, not a woman. Yeah. And now
it's this man who's saying this to this black woman
and she hates black women. No, bitch, I hate you. Yeah,
because you came for me. And what would you say?
And I answered the door. Yeah, you rung the dough bell,
I open it. So you hit me, And now you're
(36:35):
supposed to tell me how I'm supposed to respond to you,
so you can't hit me in the hit me back.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's the problem I always have. And then you have
those people that say, well, le we're supposed to say
that because Madison paying her. I am fifty five years old,
and let's just keep them on hunt.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah. I don't need your money. You don't, bitch, I
need yours. You richer than me. I don't need your money.
I don't need your money, legr. I I like it.
I don't need it. I love that you spoke to this,
(37:12):
because here's now I can pose a question. Okay, come on, now,
this might this might get me in a little Oh okay, well,
well you used to being in hot waters go ahead.
Do you think as a black woman that black women
(37:35):
use that I'm a black woman as a shield? Absolutely? Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I think we've always been taught to use it to
our advantage when we need it. And it's something about
let's just keep it one hundred. Most of the people
that talk about you, you're pretty ear to Now. Oh,
I don't say.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You're more feminine than they are. What is more feminine? Legal, No, No,
it's more film.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I've been told I got big dick energy. I'm i'm, I'm, I'm,
I got a lot of testosterone.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I've been told, well, considering I've seen it, bit you do.
But that's a whole other conversation. You know, we'll be
here for him on that. But I've always been told
I have masculine energy, boss, you know. But I have
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to be masculine.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Because who else gonna be, who else gonna handle, who's
gonna pay the bills at the house if I'm not
running my business?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
So I have to be a boss.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
But the right man brings that feminine energy out of you.
That right man softens you.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Have you seen it happen to me?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Absolutely, even when I didn't want it to because I
didn't like that nigga.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And it's been a couple Oh, but I'll let you
have it because that's your choice. It was fun. Yeah,
it was fun, and as long as you left, it
is fun.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
But when you start to try to get serious, I
was like, okay, now hold on, harp, Yeah, we need
to have some conversations.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I've always been attracted to two strong women because my
mother is a very strong, absolutely woman. And not only
is she a strong woman, she's a fighter. I ain't
never seen no man swing.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
On my mama mine either, never, I no, I take
that back. See now, look y'all, my mama gone now.
So y'all can't arrest my mama. But give us the storytelling.
You can't arrest my mama. I have to get an
edited version, give.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Us the album. My mama was crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
My mama was crazy, and there was never She always
would say, you never let a man put their hands
on you. Now, my mother also didn't put her hands
on a man, so she never initiated it. But I
saw my mother get hit one time, and I'm gonna
let y'all interpret this any kind of way you want to.
She is deceased, so y'all can't come for her no more,
(40:07):
because my mama was crazy. But I was a child,
so I didn't understand it until I got older. Someone
put their hands on my mother, and my mother didn't respond.
And remember I told you my mom. My mama is
a strong woman. Now she she didn't respond when this
man hit them that because my mother was calculating, she's
(40:28):
an ass Hello, oh hello.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
All of a sudden, I.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Remember we were eating the same meal out of two
different pots. We ate out the green pot kids death,
only he ate out the red pot.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But it was the same food. I didn't understand it
when I was a kid, so I the listeners, what
is going on? What's going on? Or he was a smoker.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
He was a fireman at the time, I think. I think, uh,
he was a fireman, I think. And and he smoked,
and he drank a lot. I don't know what it
was back then. It seemed like I think they like
worked twenty four hours and they.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Were off forty eight.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So he would fall asleep in the bathroom and in
the little half bath. And I don't know why why
men like take all their clothes if getting neaked to
use the bathroom, so you're neked on the toilet and
you're smoking, but you're you're a little drunk on the toilet, and.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That cigarette might just happen to fall on the on
the little rug below your feet or was that the cigarette?
Where does little fire come from at the feet?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
My mother played mind games. My mother played mind games
to the point that that man couldn't move two inches.
If my mother walked in the room, that man flinched
because he know what my crazy mamas.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
He never he never hit her again, never ever. But
it took my daddy, who is not my biological father,
but that's daddy, I think my sister.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
He came to pick my sister up one day and
my sister told him about the red pot and the
green pot, and my daddy came over to the house,
Come here, what you doing, because you know my mama.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Grace Way, what you doing? What's this red pot and
green pot? Because my daddy knew my mom what's what's
this red pot and green pot? So she was getting
I don't know what she's doing. She got so we
can't ask. But I didn't understand that until I got older.
(42:24):
I was like, oh lord, I've always been attracted to
very strong, powerful women, and I think that's probably why
why I'm always enamored and you're beautiful. I've been enamored
by that because that's that's what I've seen. Like my mama,
my aunt then was some real I used to say,
I saw a couple of pictures Miss Mary when she
(42:45):
was in the streets, but this is my mom is
a battle cat. My aunt was definitely a battle cat.
Those they just they're aries and they're strong. And so
when I get into the space where women play the villain,
and they started hiding behind the moniker. I'm a black woman.
(43:08):
There is a issue with the way that black women
are treated disproportionately. Absolutely, there is an issue with the
way black women are are murdered and mistreated, and then
even our health care, health care. I'm not that issue, right,
(43:29):
I'm not that issue, and I thank you for standing
in the gap letting it be known. Yeah, it is
a black woman issue, but that's not your black woman issue.
It's not your black woman issue. Is you absolutely absolutely see,
I've always seen black women as strength and and and
able to get through almost any adversity. We're the strength
(43:52):
of the house. I don't care how much money he
bring in the house. I don't care what bills he pay.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
We're the strength of the house, you know, and because
there haven't been found the home, we just strength outside
the house.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And we can wear
many many hats. So I think sometimes when I see
the comments and things, especially when you say something so
straightforward and direct, I'll say, how does she spend that?
Out of what you just said? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Like the spin that sometimes they put on the comments
or things that you make. So it drives me nuts
when people say, well, well, Legr gonna say that because
Legra's on her team. No, leg'r gonna tell Madison bit
you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, and I'm gonna need you to shut up yep
for a couple of days. Yeah, because you have done it.
You was wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Now, I know you was mad and you did da
da da, but you were wrong period. So I'm not
on your payroll to coddle me, absolutely not. I'm not
on your payroll to call you. I'm here, hopefully to
hopefully I'm bringing something positive outside of just you know,
contracts or gigs or something like that that I think
(44:58):
our friendship just as women, yes, just as women we
have the best conversation.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
You're done stepped on some toes. Man, I don't care
just putting me as.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Just just as women. We're women, we're women. My son
called you, auntie, we're women, we're women. And I tell
you all the time, Yes, okay, yes, Tyler. We got
to get this out there because this stuff is important.
(45:30):
This is this is stuff that's important that we needed
to have, that we need to have put on the
tis Massing experience that they they edited out because they
didn't have the thought process of what was going on here.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
There's a bit there's a major issue, a major event
that is going on between black transgender women and black
biological women that a lot of black women feel that
we are invading spaces. And I say to black women
(46:05):
all the time, ma'am, my existence has to do because
the men. That was gonna because it's because usually it
boils down to men. Hell, let's be clear, when we
talk about this ship, it boils down to men. It
ain't all about all my bad. You're not worried about
it from we just went the bathroom together. You winning
(46:26):
your start, I winning mind. You're not worried about your
son called me unity If you're saying, we would have
never told your son that I was the training, that
the training. He was still community. He still it's just
what it was. It boils down to men when you
when when, and and the people are gonna be in
(46:47):
the comments they are in this section because it boils
down to men whether they wanted to, because it's just like,
ain't no man, that won't you want me? That's not true.
First of all, I'm with you all the time. They
want you before, they want me to hush up, and
natives keep you want it.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
We're both beautiful, Yes, we're both beautiful, but they want
you before they want to shop.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
And some of them know who you are up front,
and when they don't know who you are, you're still
telling them who you are. Yes, you still tell them
who you are, and they still won't you. Yeah, but
they'll say they're a heterosexual man. But they are though,
because that's they're tired today. I thank you. They're a
heterosexual man. That's their identity. And so now I'm with
you and see it every day. Yeah, and the emails
(47:31):
that come in this you tell me you.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Get one more dick pick video, don't book Ts Madison
at gmail dot com is not.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
For your dick videos and pictures. I'm the one to
see them. And here's the and you want to know
the gag the gags if you really want to peep
me out you I tell you all the time, like
if you wasn't famous, if I can pimp you out,
because they comes in now, because the coens come in there.
(48:01):
But we have to address this legra. They want to move. Yes,
we have to address that. That is the that's a
lot of the problem. It's because it's just like they
have said to me, because when when we've been sitting
there watching it and it has blown you away because
I used to tell you initially it did. I used
to tell you about this you but then when you
(48:23):
started seeing it, you like, imagine these people are crazy
and they're not just every day people. Some of them
you might see on TV. Yeah, these people crazy. Hello,
And it's like I'm a I'm a woman, you're not,
and I want you out of that because that's what
(48:45):
that's the way I interpret it. Yeah, it's okay. If yeah,
it's all right. If you you know it's because dressing,
hair and makeup don't make you okay, Well, then if
it doesn't make me. And then why you weren't concerned
with it? And I'm telling you I'm trans. What's the problem? Absolutely?
Why are we here? Why are we still here? If
(49:06):
I tell you I got titties at the top, dick
at the bottom, but I still am a woman, a
trans woman, I'm saying trans girl. You remember I posted
a video about me said I was a trans woman.
It was because I had woman at the air that
you have a trans woman? I am, but it had
them in an uproar. You want me to identify as
a man. I'm not a man. I was born male.
(49:32):
I will hold your hand to to stand before the
consolutely until I was born with male. I'm not a man,
but you're not a man. And you and how it's
so it's so easy for you to understand that or
nobody else. I just want to know that from you.
I don't know why. I don't know why. I just
think I just look at people.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
First of all, it's not for me to tell you
how to identify. But I do respect how you identify.
And I ain't trying to be funy, I ain't gonna lie.
It's it's some some people that say they trends that
I'm sitting to go with the girl. You might need
to go back on those sides me too, you know.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
But to me, you're a beautiful black woman, And I
tell you all the time until I have to run
up in your room, rushing you while you getting dressed
and you step out the shower, We.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Get out of the shower, put your pats on home.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I forget that you are trends until sometime until I
see you naked because I'm talking to my girlfriend and
you always gonna be talking to your girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yes, And speaking of talking to your girlfriend. Our next
segment is called Rebel with a Cause. Now, this show
is called the Outlaws for a reason, and it's so
often an outlaw or pariah in our culture is ironically
(50:51):
really someone whose heart is in the right place. Uh,
someone with the courage to speak up and stand out
and push back when it matters most. They're the rebels
at heart, the voices of our time, challenging the status
quo and making a difference. Tell me about your mission
and what drives you and what you're fighting for and
how we can join the movement.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Wow, what I'm fighting for honestly, with our conversation went
a whole different direction. I'm fifty five, and it's something
about since I turned fifty, I almost feel like it's
almost like society makes older women invisible. Yeah, like we
ain't important all of a sudden, I'm you know what
I'm saying, Like we're not important anymore.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
So my mission is to let y'all know we're still here.
We still got it. Yeah, we're taking half y'all, young men,
we still got it. We strapped, we leaving you the scraps.
My mission is is for just being comfortable in your skin.
(51:56):
It took me fifty years to love me. Wow, I've
always liked me. I thought I was a nice person,
but I think it took me fifty years to actually
love me. I love who I am. I love my life.
I love my friends, I love my family. We may
not always like each other, but I love I love
(52:17):
the life that I've built, and I'm super excited about
seeing where it's going. My mission is, honestly just for
people to live in their truth and to respect each other.
And well, you know what, we all gonna meet the
Maker one day.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you right now, he ain't
gonna say, Legry, you lived a perfect life.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
He's she They them, Okay, Well, whoever up there.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Are not gonna say I lived a perfect life. But
I hope you see that I try. I hope until
that that that won't come back, you know. And he
makes me sing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
But other than that, man, I hope you can he
can say that I tried. So at fifty five, you
still it still get greased up? Well again it did.
It's not as greasy. It's coming back though. But that
was chemo. That was chemo. Chimo did a whole You
wouldn't monkey ranch. When I look at you, you wouldn't
(53:16):
believe it. You wouldn't believe it. When I want you
to sitt in a cross looking at you, you wouldn't
believe none of the stuff you went through. I got
surgery in two months. It's not over. But the thing
for me was the what got me through it again
was my great circle.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
But I never wanted to internalize that I was sick
when I got up every day, when I was leaving
my house, you wasn't.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I wasn't wearing that little beanie cap on my head.
I lost all my hair, I lost all my eyebrows,
my eyelashes. I didn't have a single piece of hair
on my body. My vision changed. I couldn't drive at
night because my vision changed. Mahu Ha changed. Nobody tell
you that shit. Mahu Ha changed my skin. I ate
the aches and the pins. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Chimo is a chemical. And when you and chemo and
you watch your nurse come over and put the little
suit on because they can't get it on their skin.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
They can't. That stuff can't touch them. But you hear it.
Inject this in my veins.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
It's getting ready to go to every single thing in
my body. Chemo don't know if cancer is just right here,
get just right here. It's going to everything in my body.
So everything in my body changed. I hurt from head
to toe, but I ain't want.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Nobody to know it. On the days that were good,
I got up, I put.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
My face on, pick which wig I was gonna wear
that day, put my heels on when I could.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Then I got neuopathy. So I have some cute little
shoes for.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Neuropathy, and I got I went out and I loved that.
Every time I went to chemo, my nurses, I had
the greatest nursing staff. They would always say, we just
waiting to see what she gonna wear when she come
in here.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Because I might be.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Pocahontas one day. I might have a dress on one day,
and I wouldn't internalize being sick, so when I look
in the mirror, I couldn't see a sick person.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Put your face on. Get up.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
But one of the best things that I ever did,
and I know you're gonna laugh, was get my puppies.
I got two dogs in the mystic Chemo. What it
did was it made me get up every single day.
I had to take my dogs outside. I had to
take them for a walk when I when my body said, no,
get up, get out of bed, feed your dogs, take
them outside, let them run, let them play, and that
(55:29):
love and kissing, the puppy love. You know, my son
was there, but it ain't nothing like them puppies. Them
puppies followed me everywhere I went, the snuggles, the hud.
They needed me, and it made me get up every
single solitary day, every single solitary day.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
That was one of the best things I did was
get my dogs. I bought my home during then and
everybody's oh wait, wait, you shouldn't. Don't you know you
don't know what's gonna happen. Would you tell me you
kept living? Would you tell me.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Not only my house, my dream house, get you get it,
go get your core. Those were the things that just
kept me going. Life wasn't over. Life wasn't over. I
didn't want to go to the they want you to
go to therapy for the group, therapy for cancer patients.
I don't want to hear your story. I don't want
to internalize your sickness. So let me just keep my
(56:22):
little circle small, let me keep all the people that
needed to be around me. Let me get up and
take care of my dogs and take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
And before you knew it, it was over. Yeah, and
you listen. I was over that cry. You said, stop crying.
I got time for you to cry. Cry over there,
don't cry in front of me. I I don't know
what you I don't know what you cried. I'm not sick.
She said, she gonna get this. They gonna cut this out,
and we gonna keep going. And that was the best
(56:51):
thing I could have done. We went out of eight.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I state, I sure do get I still like my
filet I like my file at you know, we had
a good time and I still traveled. I could be
sick in bed, or I could be sick on the beach.
I chose the beach, so I was going all the time.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
I gotta say it was. And I think that's the
way that you you got to get through you know
who I see do that. Even though we bump here
us a lot. My mama said, don't speak that over me.
Don't you dare say handy kept over me, because when
you start toe that, that subconscious will start internalizing that.
(57:30):
And I can't live my life like that. I still
got some mother fucking me to speaking of fuckinging that.
The next segment is called ban it Bitch. It's time
to ban it bitch. This is where we call out
what's going on the powers that be. Uh. This is
(57:52):
what we call it was Uh. It's time to ban it, bitch.
This is where we call out what's gotta go. The
powers that be are banning all the wrong things. Drag shows, books,
celebrating LBGTQ, voices, anything that shakes their dusty little comfort zones.
But let's be real, there are some things in this
world that actually need to go. Shoes off on the plane,
(58:13):
meetings that should be emails and the cost of eggs.
Ban it. So here's how it works. We each get
one minute to make our case, no holds barred, off
the cuff from our heart, whatever's on your mind. I'll
go first to show you how it's done. Producers, can
(58:34):
you set a timer for a minute. Okay, So show
me how it's done. Show me how it's done. You ready,
all right? Ready? Three? Two? What I'm a black woman.
You can't do that to me. Oh I'm supposed to
respond just that a black woman. You can't do that
(58:58):
to me. I'm a black woman. You can't do that
to me, band it bitch. Okay, next you you go, Oh, I.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Gotta name something. Yeah, okay, I don't. Oh goodness, I
just when I said it just left my mind.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Okay, I'm a black woman. Let's start that again. Start
that again, tylers, I'm a black woman. You can't do
that to me. Band it bitch. You gotta ban that
for me, Leger, because it's just like, yes's the thing.
You can't hit a man and then become a black woman.
That's what I'm saying. You can't hit me. Hide behind
(59:33):
the shield. You can't do that, and they say, now
I'm in trouble. You can't be the instigator and then
hide behind something that is truly, something truly that needs
to be protected. You can't instigate it and then hide
behind it and be like, Okay, well now I'm gonna
do it. I'm gonna run out here, I'm gonna bush
you across the head with a bottle. I'm gonna stab
you in your throat, I'm gonna slice your your your kneecap,
(59:56):
and you're not and you're not allowed to hit me there.
And you can't do that in to me because I'm
I'm a black woman, a right, Okay, Well you know what,
I have a black son, and in this new.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Era of regime, which regime that's getting ready to come forward, Hey,
you I have a black son. I'm gonna say speak
for him. You can't do everything to the black man.
You can't say everything to the black man. You can't
treat the black man any kind of way just because
he's black.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Oh I did I think I started. I'm speaking for
my son. I'm speaking for my son, all right. So
let's go from the top. Count me in and now
I'll go because I'm just gonna go right back, Okay,
go right back to yours. All right, So we got
one minute here we go. For me, I want to
(01:00:54):
ben I'm a black woman. I'm in distress, and then
you go out there and you you do ill shit,
and then you come back in under the cover of like, hey,
protect me because I'm a black woman, and because I
do believe in protecting black women. I do not the
ones that insight, not the ones that instigate, not the
ones that the aggressors. Not the ones that are are
(01:01:17):
are being evil and malicious. Not those ones. I'm not
saying they didn't deserve protection, but I'm just saying that
they are not. If you started, bitch, you were a
black woman when you started it, be a black woman
all the way through. Don't get over here jumping in
saying now now you need to be protected when you were,
when you were the aggressor. That's just how I feel.
And yeah, and I love black women and I'm gonna
(01:01:39):
always fight for black women. But if you're an instigator,
you on your own. I love that. Well. I'm gonna
speak for my son.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Okay, okay, with us getting ready to go into this
new regime, I'm gonna speak for my son because I
never felt fear until him leaving the home, until we
had that president that is now becoming president again, where
Karen's felt like they had the right to say and
(01:02:09):
do what they wanted to do to our black men,
or or to to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Incite or to make up lies. You remember how much
how much hatred that came out during that regime, and
we're ready to step into that again, and they feel
like they have more power now. So I'm speaking for
my son.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
That the police being able to do what they what
they want to do on site. We already know where
that's going to be directed at, at at the at
the minority community. So I'm speaking to ban some of
the policies that we know are coming that's going to
be directed not just at trans, but at trans, at black,
(01:02:50):
at LGBT, at minorities.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I say, ban it, ban it, ban it, ban it,
dan it all right, So I mean unbanded, you know.
And I just here's the thing. I'm on both sides
of that with that, because listen, here's the gag. You
want to know the gag. But I'm gonna gag and
gonna say something that's gonna shake the table. I'm a
(01:03:13):
black man. Hello, I'm a black woman. Hello, I'm a
black train. Hello, I'm a I'm a black LGBT. There's
so many layers and nuances to to things that affect me.
Absolutely that I fall under all the categories. It that way,
m hm. You check all the boxes, all the boxes.
(01:03:34):
So when I talk to my black people who watch me,
and I tell them that I'm in danger, absolutely don't
other me. You've othered me when I check when I
fit all the boxes. But you've othered me as soon
as you think the rainbow, as soon as you think
that I'm the Skittles girl. Stop othering your people. Yes, yes,
(01:03:58):
black people, stop others your people. When we were down
in that race to the White House, when it was
time for that, and I seen the people saying, oh,
I'm not going because she's upholding things for gay people.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I'm black first, that when they see you down the street,
they're gonna see you black first.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I'm black, I'm a black male, I'm a black transgender woman.
I'm fat. Let's be not even talking about when we
start getting down to it, we start breaking the coverage down.
I have pre existing conditions, everything absolutely so there were
so many things that were so when we say you're
(01:04:39):
in danger, you're in danger. Yes, from every category, from
every category. See me as a human, if I could
see you, if I could know you as a black woman,
was down there fighting for me, and you was fighting
for me, not just because it was for me, because
it was for you, just for your son and for
(01:05:00):
these all these things. And I know as those black
men that set that out. When I was down there
in that booth, I wasn't just voting for me. It
was voting for all of us, for all of us.
And that's that's white as well. That affects women no
matter what color you are. Yeah, you were voting for everybody.
Well you know, usually people vote according to their household. Yeah,
(01:05:24):
I mean, but you were voting for everyone. Yeah, Legra,
it has been amazing we have had you for having me.
I had a good time. I know we're hongry. Yes,
we all listen. You are always welcome to come back
to give us updates. Where can the people find you?
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
You can go to info at Global Travelers LLC dot com,
or you can go online at Global Travelers and Company
dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah, and then you know you got so much events
putting together for me, and you know, some other folks,
some other folks, and you know you're amazing, You are amazing.
You're amazing person. I thank you, thank you so much
for being here with me today. Thank you for having me.
This has been the Outlaws. Y'all. Outlaws is a production
of The Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment.
(01:06:11):
Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olizia Piece, I'm your
host Tias Madison. We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz,
Maya Howard and Tias Madison. Our simpervising producer is Jessica
Krincicch and our producers are Joey pat and Carmen Braul.
Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz, and our sound editor
(01:06:31):
is just Crimechicch. Our associate producer is Trent high Tower.
Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme
song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show art is
by Pablo Montana. I Got You next week, Honey,
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