Cherry Thee Boom: Am I Shaking the Table?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Beat yourself, get a job ricking, honey, rick chasing it all.

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Everybody disregard to this medicine? Honey?

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Is it on?

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Is this thing recording? Honey?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I am loud, liveing, always and forever in color, but
not at the marvelous Chateau.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I am here on.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
The iHeart podcast with my very own podcast, The Outlaws,
with none other than the Madison.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I have an array of guests, and I love all
my guests that come on the show. But this next
guest that I have right now, in particular, is a
woman that is as controversial as me. And there are
not many women that are controversial as me and stand
on it. There are women who are controversial and the
hide or there are women that are controversial and they

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they don't really stand in it. Honey. This woman is
a controversial woman that stands on what she believes, and
I've always had a liking to her because I saw
pieces of my personality embedded deep because y'all know, I
say what the fuck I want to say when I
get ready? How the fuck I get ready? When I

(01:46):
get ready? And if I got to read a bitch
down to the flow, bitch, I would do that. But
she has her own flavor in doing it. Ladies and gentlemen,
I've done every time I get a new podcast or
a new something or whatever. I really like to bring
her because I like the way that I see pieces
of what I what I do, so what I further do? Ladies, Jentil,

(02:08):
please put your hands together for Sherry the boom.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Hey, how are you? How are you? How you doing
some stuff?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Cherry? Listen? You know I love you, and I never
ever try to go anywhere, like anytime I get something
new where in any big space or whatever, because I
just feel like that, you know, because you know, they
always try to say it, I don't fuck with the girls,
or I don't platform the girls or whatever or whatever,
and then when I'm like when I platform the girls,
it's like, oh, you should have platformed this, you should yeah,

(02:39):
you did this, and then that when it was like,
but I like.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Cherry, Yeah, I've always liked Cherry, and I want to
tell you. I appreciate that because I see it. I
don't care what they say because there's a lot of
girls that love to talk about fucking with the girls,
because yeah, just making sure there's a lot of girls
out there that talk about they fuck with us, but
they really don't. They really don't. And you, on numerous
occasions have always reached show me love, and I want
to tell you here, I appreciate you, and I do

(03:02):
love you.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Here listen, I love you because it's I see now.
I do know that I've polished a bit, a bit,
just a tad, that's a little bit, what a lot
of bit so that I can maneuver through spaces that
I want to maneuver in. But I do like the
rawness and grittiness that you have, and I think that

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that's that's because that's authentic.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let me take this air ring out because she is
terrorizing me.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I think that that's authentic to you, and it's also
authentic to me to be you know who we are. Now,
there's a segment on my show that I call the
talk your shit segment. In this segment, I'm gonna explain
it so that you can do it, because I don't
want you to give nothing less. In this segment, it's

(03:50):
time for you to talk your ship. It's tell us
who you are. I know what it is, but it's
tell tell if you're who you are, what you do,
what you're proud of. Now, this is your moment to
in your time to shine. So don't hold back. So
like when I do it, you know, I let the
girls know, bitch, I'm on this, I'm bitch, I got
this many I do this, you know, because I feel
like in these moments you don't get the opportunity to

(04:13):
celebrate yourself because everybody's always telling you to slow down,
be humble. I don't want no humility. Yes, I don't
want no human I want you to throw that show
that a motherfucking the whole note finished you a Cherry
the Boom absolutely, and what you're doing who I just
that's what I want you to give me that, Okay,
and you look at them how my name is Cherry
the Boom and his camera any one of them, bitch,

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because this is yours.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well for those of you who don't know, I am
Cherry the Boom, and believe it or not, sister, I'm
really a humble person. I'm really a country girl from
the South, and I've learned that you can't really be
humble with these holes. I'm working on a book, Black
Butterfly Rising, and I just started a podcast, Cherry on Top.
That's a mature you follow me on YouTube. I'm just
a girl that's about being honest. I'm living in your truth.

(04:56):
I've learned that people are not gonna like you, So
why waste your time trying to get everybody to understand you.
We've never been understand since grade school. We've been talked about,
we've been judged, we've been criticized, and people choose to
hate us. And in the midst of them choosing to
hate us, I'm not going to dim myself. I'm not
going to walk in their shadows. I'm not going to
walk on eggshells. And it is what it is. So

(05:17):
make sure y'all get my book, make sure y'all follow
me and my new podcast, and that's what we're doing
right now.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
So you are a So you're now an author? You
are if you are you have a podcast? Yes, you
know everything. I want you to have everything you do.
Bit you're unashamed.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Let's talk about what pays the bills come on okay. So,
I personally believe that no woman should entertain no man
that does not provide. Some people call it escorting. Some
people call it prostitution. I call it being a woman.
A lot of y'all mamas are running around here. Wouldn't
be married to your daddy if he wasn't taking care
of bills. Let's be honest. But as a trans woman,
because we are so sought after, and because we are

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so sexy, and because we live in our authentic truth,
people try to label us as this one thing. It
is what it is. I think we're just more honest
than upfront about it. You just want your money. I
just want my money. It's fuck you pay me. That's right,
and it always has been because you don't give a
fuck about me. These men don't love us. They don't.
They don't love a lot of those women that they
are here dealing with.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
They don't. I truly believe, I truly believe that. So
I want to talk to you a bit about that.
Like you know, I was a sex worker. Shit, if
times get hard, bitch, I'll put my knee pairs out
of the closet. If my motherfucking need to bitch, because
I know I still know how to get down in
the fucking compound. I'm still assault after girl, even after
all these years. You know, I'm one of the girls

(06:35):
that kicked the door in for the for the wave
of stuff, of the way that shit goes on.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now, bitch, I saw one of your videos for the
first time you did this week. Listen, let's the old
I said, work just been down down. Yes I made
my mom, Yes you did.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But I want people to understand that, you know, to
to elaborate a little bit more off of what you
said about knowing. It's kind of like knowing your worth.
And it's unfortunate that to say that, well, you're not
worth more than being a prostitute. However, if you gonna
treat me like a dog, bitch, you're gonna feed. You're
not gonna feed an puppet child.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
And I think when they use the word prostitute, I
think a lot of people would like to elaborate prostitute
with sex. For me, prostitute is like I would never say, yeah,
I'm a prostitute. But if someone was to say you're
a prostitute, bitch, Okay, okay, that's what you call it.
I'm about my money, and everywhere every woman goes, there's
a man chasing after you. There's a man that wants
to smell in your face. There's a man that wants
to waste your time, There's a man that wants your body.

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And as a woman, I'm like, I'm not having sex
with every man, but every man I am asking something
from hm hmm, every single every single one. Believe it
or not. People call it escorting prostitution, But bitch, I
probably have sex. They're going up for you in there going.
I probably have sex ten times a year.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh, you probably make love ten times in.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
No, I probably have set intercourse sex ten times a year. Well,
what are you doing the rest of the time that
you getting money? It's a fantasy at darlie.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
You know I want to dig. May I let's get
the shovel. Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
So I've told.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
The people around me that I've only been with four
men in my life. Okay, and I so I understand
what you mean, Like you probably have six ten times.
I've only been intimate with four men that have that
have known me, that have shared life experiences with me,
four of them in my entirety of my life. I'm

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almost I'm headed to be fifty. You look, bitch, I dried.
That's that come that I rubbed on that skin.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Preserve.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Okay, but some'll be forty eight you know next well, shit,
by the time, I don't know, this is probably before
I probably forty eight.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
But so I've been with four men personally. Now, I've
been a fantasy to countless. You know, I've been a
situation to millions. Yeah, you know, and I've made my money.

(09:14):
But I've only been with four men. Do you understand
what I understand?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Completely?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
And I think what people tend to never understand about
us girls who have had the opportunity to experience the
darker side. If I had the opportunity to go back
and redo this, I tell myself, would you do this again?
Madison was?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I said?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
There was a time I would say I don't know,
But then it's like, yeah, because if the world remains
the way that it is, and the way that men
treat us as trans women, especially as black trans women,
like we're expendable and you know, like you know, and
and they try to run with the GUIDs of oh
I didn't know out on this and woo, yeah, everybody,

(10:01):
I charge everybody, Yeah, when did you get to this space?
Because I know as a as a as a woman,
you want to be outside of looked at as just

(10:24):
a sex object, a sex thing or or or fantasy.
You want to have a relations you want to have
not a relationship, but you want to you want to
be known. Like I said, I've known for men in
my life, you want to be known. You want to
share intimacy with a person. When did the turning point
happen for you? Because I can tell you when it
happened for me, but I want to know when it

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happened for you.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
For me when I transitioned. Okay, what people don't know
even before I transition, I've just always had this thing
where I don't want to interact with someone in that
way who does not to me. I was raised in
a two parent household, and I saw how my dad
treated my mom and my mom treated my dad, and
that's what I want. And if you're not giving me that,

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if that's not the road we're heading down to, what
can you do for me? And along the way, I've
noticed that all I can do is get money from
these men because they a lot of men don't want
relationship let's be honest. A lot of people are afraid
of commitment. A lot of people have hurt and trauma
that they're dealing with, and I have no time for that.
So when I transitioned, I was a makeup artist, and

(11:32):
when I decided to take my womanhood seriously, they fired me. Yes, girl,
they fired me, and I ended up losing my townhouse.
I ended up losing my car, and along the way,
I ran into the community and this guy he was like, well,
you know what girls like you do when they, you know,
in times of trouble, they post ads. This was back

(11:52):
in the day with Backpage and Craiglist. And I'm like, well,
what do they do, bitch? I need the money.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
And he was like, well a guy introduced a guy, yes,
and not a girl because and you know what's crazy,
because usually one of our gay mom Did you have
a gay mama?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I did, But I would honestly say she never told
me to escort. She just told me to stop having
sex for free. She never told me about posting ads.
She never told me about you know, go look for
men for these reasons. But she was like, bitch, all
this sext you having, you don't need to be dealing
with no man and you and fucked up. You know,
so a in a young mind, I wasn't thinking like prostitutional.

(12:30):
I'm just like girl, what so come into Atlanta? I
posted my ad and it went from there and would
I do it all over again? Absolutely? I think that
the only negative side of it is you see men.
I'm not even gonna say negative, but one of the
dark sides of it is you see men for who.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
They really are, really are, and when you.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Can't unsee you, I cannot. You can't you see men
for who they really are.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Even me that is not in that world anymore. Like
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I want, I try.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
To have normalcy, but you can't.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
And let me tell you this, I purposely last year
went a whole year no ads, no escorting, no dealing
with men in that way. And in the last few
months I was like, girl, why did I stop these
men trying to go on days? Bitch? I have never
been on a date until last year for free, and
it was for nothing these men nowadays in order for

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you to get a cheeseburger. Butch say, want to fuck you, sweetim,
I'm not doing that. I've been in two relationships my
whole life. So you've known two men, two men. I've
known four. I've known two, and I'm not wasting my time.
Be honest with me, be true to me. You have
to know who you are in order to be with

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a woman like me. I don't deal with DL men,
with men who are trying to figure themselves out. You
don't get this far in life and who you are
looking for a man who's still questioning.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
So let's let's unpack the term DL. What is a
DL man to you, to.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Me or to society?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
To you?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
To me, a DL man is someone who is ashamed
of you. A DL man is someone who lives his
sexual fantasies in secrecy. A DL man is someone that
only calls you when he wants his rocks knocked. That's
what a DM man is to me.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
So what is a DR man to society?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
A DL man to society from what you've from your perspective?
What is it to society a DM man to society
from your perspective? They are men who get exposed. They
don't think that men are d l unless they are exposed.

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Men are out here doing the gayest shit. Gossiping girl,
I don't want to go too X rated on here.
You can't please. But men are Men are out here
doing things that you know, damn we.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Suck getting fuck You need me to help you please,
sucking dick, getting fun looking ass.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know what I'm saying. And the gag is they're
having women doing it to them too.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yes, like it kind of starts in that in that sce.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yes, oh can you eat my ass? And don't get
me wrong, I don't think that a man having anytime.
I feel like a man is having at play ain't
no't play period? Does that make him gay? Not necessarily
if he's doing it with a woman, but but you'll
keep your eye on him you're a woman. No, no, no,
I mean as in like putting a biological woman female,

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a female putting a strap on and fucking them. And
I don't think that that is gay.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well, I don't think any man that deals with us
is gay.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I don't think any man that deals with us is gay.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Because how could you, how could you be dealing with us?
You know what I'm saying, And and identifies gay? Now,
do I feel like that he's adjacent somewhere to what
we go through the community. Yes, because he can't really
openly have that type of conversation.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I think a lot of men are greedy. Ooh, I
don't even really think it's a sexuality. Oh what's greedy?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Te me?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Greedy? Greedy? I think they want everything, And I feel
like men who fuck woman after woman after woman, You're
getting bored. Even as someone who is looked at as
a sex worker or a porn star or whatever the
case may be. Girl, I know people that have way
more sex than me, way more people who work nine
to fives, and they have all this judgment towards sex

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workers and strippers and all of that. They have more
sex than us, and they have nothing to show for it,
and they have to get up early in the morning
and they have nothing to show for it, nothing but
have a plethora of men in judgment. Yes, even the gay.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Boys that even the game ones that be like doing
all that loud to lascivious fucking and have nothing to
show forward.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
DAL to me is this, I think d L is not.
It's not the same as trade. I think d L
is more of a gay term, like for because I'm
older than you, Cherry, So when I was coming up,
like d L was that was for the faggies. The
faggies messed with the d L boys. That's those butcher boys,

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like said over here in the corner that that presents
butch and go out there and then get into the
things and do the things of the thing.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
You think that that's d L when they're messing with
the guy.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yes, I think it's trade when they fool with us.
Trade and d L to me, from my perspective, ain't
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
DL is gay. I never thought of it like that.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I thought I've always felt that trade was very much so,
particularly for us, and the cunt.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Trades is for us in the cunt the d.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
L is for the it's for the gay boys because
they got the d L boys is out there roll
around with the boys with the tam phase.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
But the way that that shit.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Has evolved so much like girls, I'm from the time,
and this is why I struggle with having these conversations
with uh females. I'm not gonna say biological with females
with females because they can't fathom gentlemen being attracted to us,

(18:28):
to us trans women and them, and also having sex
with us trans women and them and still identifying as
straight because and this is why I put them in
the trade category. The d L is when they be
when they like with like boys, We ain't boys. Yeah,
I don't give a fuck. And there's gonna be fifteen
hundred people out there women about this. You have said,

(18:48):
I said, we ain't boy.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah. But they know that though, because I tell people
all the time, if we're not women, then what's the debate?
If we're not women, what is the fuss? If we're
not women, why are you telling other men that that's
a man. If it's known and understood who we are
and what we are, what is the debate? What is
the fuzz? And what it is is you see our existence,
you do, and whether you like it or not, you
have no choice but to respect it because we are here.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
So what would you say to people? No, I want
to go back to the d L shit. Okay, but
hold my thought please. Uh So the DL part with
I've always seen it with boys like they like the
d O I'm a d O th like they're they're
perpetrating a.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Trade about the homosexuals.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, the DL are perpetrating a trade, boy, Because the
DLS is the faggies and they have the boys, the
trade is different. I'm from a time when trade like
bitch is if it's film presenting, if it looked like pussy,
it's pussy.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Okay, if it's smell like.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Pussy, it's pussy, and presenting pussy is pussy. These boys
and this now, which are falling under the DL thing
is like they move, they move it through everything. Yeah,
if you're a feminine boy, they fucking you.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
If you if you none binary, they fucking you. If
you trans, they fucking you. If you the cut, they
fucking you. If they which which to me is like
a lot of it's kind of pansy a little.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But if honestly, Maddie, I'm one of those girls who
I think labels have become a thing.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Labels are very destructive in our community.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
And as I feel like as I get older, I'm
not really fucking with the labels because a lot of people,
for us, they're like, oh, that's a trans woman. No,
I'm Cherry and that's Madison.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
All of these labels, they're gonna keep coming out with
more things because y'all are trying to put people in
an umbrella. We don't go in an umbrella. And the
only reason why we do use the l g B
t q R A plus community is because we're trying
to be respectful to others. Bitch, I'm cherry, that's it,
and I've been cherry since day one. I'm not ashamed
of who I was. I know my mama had a boy,
but you also know that you're looking at a grown

(21:04):
ass woman. Boom, It's okay. And I think that as
these labels keep coming out, there's this narrative that's pushed
that we don't know who we are.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
If we didn't know who we are, why are we
sitting here like this? Yeah? When the world told us, no,
you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Here's the thing that I here's the argument that I've
had just recently.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I was girl girl, girl, girl, girl.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Bitch when I had a tip fade.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I was girl girl, girl, girl girl.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
When I was walking around, bitch and my Patrick, you
and Zone. That's how bitch. That's the last pair of
tennis shoes I bought as a poor boy. When I
was when I had those Petrick you and Zone.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I was girl girl, girl, girl girl.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
When I had that feminine blouse on, I was girl
girl girl. But the moment that I was, I became
I did the doll.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, I became the doll. You're a man, yes, and
you better remind me, bitch, you better say it. You
know why, because you're intimidating and you're jealous. No one
in their right mind feels any type of way towards
somebody for nothing. People are sad, people are jealous, people
are evil.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I want to get into this with you really quickly, Bitch.
You you have a I don't. I've scaled back because
I used to be brass with it like that, but
I scale back because I tend to like to get
into it and not because I'm a coward. But I

(22:38):
scale it because I like to get in spaces where
I can eat, slightly debate, and also understand my opponent.
You openly say, oh, bitches is jealous. Women can be
jealous of me as I don't get into using those
words because I know that that's that's a super trigger

(22:59):
for a woman, bitch, for a female, that is a
that is a trick. If if you because I've seen
you tell female.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
On purpose intentionally, and you see I don't do that.
You know I don't do it.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
I'd be like m because I know this is gonna
drive them crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Now do I think it?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I think they're they're they're there's it's some roots, it's
rooted in something. But you openly tell you tell a female,
I've seen you do this, bitch, you jealous of me,
and you know a female's thing is. How could I
be jealous of a carbon copy? I'd like you to
elaborate on what you hear.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm so glad you asked me that, because that's there's
all their response. How can I be jealous? I'm the
real thing? So if you're the real thing, why are
you angry? If I want to be you, why do
you need to say that you see my existence? I
don't want to be you. I don't want to have periods,
I don't want children. I don't you have nothing that
I want. When it came to this woman that was

(23:59):
hormone therapy, I've always known how I wanted to present
before I even knew what transgender was. Back in the
day when I was a kid, I used to see
the television shows like MARII and Jerry Springer and Ricky Lake,
And is it a manner as a woman, It's a transsexual.
It's a transgender and even though I didn't know how
that was possible, I knew that that was me. It's representation.

(24:21):
And when I tell women that, they're jealous, and their
response is, how could I be? Look at you? Oh,
that's really what it's all about. Our physical Yes, we
are women inside of here, but they can own They
can't see inside. They only see our physical and this
physical is what has you in an uproar. You can
call it fake, you can call it this, you can

(24:42):
call it that, but it's mine. There's a lot of
biological women out here with fake breast and ass and
hips and teeth, So why aren't their bodies fake? Y'all
are jealous? That's what it is, girl, It's jealousy. And
they need to be reminded of that. And again, when
I speak like that, it's not all women, you know,
they be quick to be like, oh, y'all hate us,
y'all are jealous of us. No, sweetie, if y'all left

(25:04):
us alone, there would be no problem.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
So what is leaving us alone look like to you?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Leaving us alone is allowing us to be. Leaving us
alone is staying in your place. Leaving us alone is
not feeling obligated that it is your business to tell
a man what's between our legs or what we were born.
That's what leaving us alone is. Leaving us alone is
not trying to figure out who's having sex with us
because we all fucking the same.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Man, what do you do You truly believe that we're
all fucking the same?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Absolutely, I deal with husbands all the time, boyfriends all
the time. It's not something that I'm proud of, but
it is also a part of the reason why I'm single,
because I see how they do you. So you can't
be the blueprint I allow you to be you and exist?
Why can't we? And I'm just not one of those
girls who are asking to be friends. I'm not one
of those girls that are asking for you to allow

(25:53):
me to be myself. I'm not looking for your approval,
I'm not looking for your acceptance, I'm not looking for
your opinion. None of that matter to me.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, we're gonna be raw here, so let's be raw
a woman, because I read what they they write about you,
because they used to write those things.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
About me, they tear me up.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
They used to write them write it. They used to
write them, and they and they take some of that
vitriol that they have for you and they apply it
to me. And I'm okay with it because you know,
this is the way when they when they have a
general conception of a person, they apply it to everyone
that's that's like that person. And so they've said that

(26:39):
you are angry with women? What is your what is
your answer to that? If I am, I have a
reason why, what is your reason? Tell me unnecessary hate?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
That's first of all, people think that we are hated
just because we're trans. This has happened since we were
little boys. It is nothing new, and you become a professional.
We're dealing with hate and jealousy for no reason. So
while all of a sudden, wait till I'm who I've
always wanted to be, to finally care about what you
say about me, I don't. It's coming from a place

(27:12):
of hate, it's coming from a place of jealousy, it's
coming from a place of insecurity.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
So what I'm hearing from you, Cherry, is that you
are tired. Yes, you're tired of the unnecessary, yes malice,
Yes you're you're tired of the unnecessary outbursts of unwarranted attack.
You're tired of of just trying to exist and these

(27:39):
and people don't want you to exist.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
But let me say this, I've healed from that. I'm
gonna always tell the truth and what people don't know
about me when they see me cussing and going off
she's angry. No, but you don't know me. You don't
know I like cussing bitches out for me too. Like
me too, girl, I like it. I go to bed
and sleep peacefully every night, every single one of them.
But today, if you needed to be cussed out and
put in your place, I am honored to be the

(28:04):
one to tell you, because somebody needs to, because if
they don't, you will keep doing it. I'm not angry.
I don't hate no one unnecessarily, but bitch, you don't
get to treat me how you want to treat me,
and then I have to okay with be okay with it,
and move on. And a lot of people from our
community do that. Yes, they shut up.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
What do you think because I want to stay in
the female department, but I want to pivot just a
bit over the to our circle. What do you think
is the disdain? Do you think that the disdain for
us as trans women with gay men. It's the same
disdain that females have that some not all and some

(28:44):
gave it not some females have for us and some
gay men like is it the same? Is it rooted
in the same thing? Is it all about men on
both sides?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
And to answer your question, that is, yes, am I
shaking the table. But it's just from two to areas
the gay men, they feel like we're the same and
women feel like we're not the same. And it's all
because of men. I had a homosexual I want to
use other words, I'm gonna be Do you want to say,
go ahead, I'm here, bitch, I said, girl. And I've

(29:16):
had a punk say that he hoped that a nigga
blew my brains out because I didn't play with my money.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
And you know how I get on their own, Yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
And for that to come from a man from our community,
and even though he's garbage, he's trash, he's on nobody.
The fact that you would even come out of your
mouth and say that towards any trans woman who has
done absolutely nothing to you, it is hate on both ends.
It is hate on both ends, and it's because a
lot of them they want us to shut the fuck
up so they can keep sucking those d o digs
in privacy because they don't. Let's talk about it. Gay

(29:46):
men don't like gay men. Gay men like the idea
of a straight man. They like the idea of a
man having a girlfriend. They like the idea of being
the feminine one in the in the relationship. So when
they see us presenting in all of our womanhood every
day of our life, they know they can't give what
we give, but they feel that we're the same. I've
had a gay guy tell me we aren't we the same?

(30:09):
You know, we're not the same. Yeah, we're not the same.
Both our mama had boys, but we are not the same.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yes, your mama had Your mother had a boy and
a man. Yeah, my mother had a man. That's not
a woman. Yeah, a male that's a woman.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
And even as a child, like I said earlier, before
I even knew what trans was, I knew I was different.
And nowadays I feel like trans has become a hobby. Yeah,
trans has become a thing. Trans has become being popular.
And I tell any girl not to disrespect anybody, But
if you don't have those thoughts as a child, transitioning

(30:43):
and being a trans woman or two different things.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I just you know, I have so many I'm going
to go in so many different places. I'm behind you, oh,
I know, because I came to ask you.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Because I know how I feel about everything. Yeah, And
I think we agree on a lot of things. And
that's why every time you call our colm, yes.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
A lot of stuff, because I've watched I watched our
mere presence disturbed, our mere presence, and I've been like, why,
you know why? I do.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I know why, And that's why you keep showing up
all the time. And that's why I'm right behind it.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Because my presence is my advocacy, honey, and my motherfucking
got damn visibility is my activism. Absolutely, I'm an activist
just because I walk in the room, bitch. Absolutely, I'm
an advocate, bitch because I exist.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Absolutely. You don't want me here, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
But I'm here. You don't want me on television ever,
but I'm here. You don't want me on radio, but
I'm here. You don't want me on an album which
you're with the biggest star in the motherfucking world, bitch.
And you girls try to minimize it and say stupid
shit out of your mouth over there, like girl, it's
very much so girl giving y'all, wasn't in the same
room and that woman have been in the same room
many times. Wait on it, it's done. So it's a

(32:08):
lot of things is rooted in jealousy. A lot of
things is rooted in.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
It. It's jealousy, and it's also insecurity.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
I can be in a room with you. I think
that you're a very beautiful woman. I've always told you
were very beautiful because I've always felt that. But I
don't feel nothing like standing with you. I know that.
I just don't. I don't feel nothing standing by another woman.
I don't feel like nobody gets me in that space
where I'm like yeah, because I understand we not fighting

(32:42):
over nothing.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
But it's also because you are comfortable with being you.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
A lot of people don't like themselves. That's why they're
always in a constant competition with somebody. I see no bit, yes,
and what's between your legs matters not to me at all.
Nothing nothing in truth beats Oh. They want us to
hate our digs. Oh, I love my I never get
rid of.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
It ever, And so while we're here, let's chack. I
am so totally in tune, even if I don't use
my motherfucking piece. And this is the problem and the
part where people can't understand I mean people, because if
we've just put it all on females. Yeah, the gay boys,

(33:26):
they don't understand it either. That don't that shit, don't
mean that people. People. What people don't understand is that
when someone is attracted to us, they're attracted to all
of us and they have There are men. And you
can attest to this because I have lots of conversations
when I tell what I'm trying to explain to people,
like there are men who I deal with that don't

(33:48):
got nothing to do with my peace. They're not here
for my peace.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I got it. Yeah. Is there that makes me different? Yeah?
And I think that when you embrace what people consider
to be a flaw, that's what makes you damn near perfect,
perfect in your own way. We are all in God's image, yes,

(34:13):
all of it. And I think that I tell people
all the time, it's not a flaw unless you have
a problem with And I've come become completely comfortable with
who I am and my body, and I think that people.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
That scares people to see how comfortable people are because
motherfucker be online, call you fat, you this and the other,
and I'd be like, baby, listen, I've charged about the pound, bitch.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yes, but you know one thing that people always say,
but they try to exclude us from it. There's somebody
out there for everybody. But when men show up for us,
ahi some I'm wrong with him. No, it's somebody for everybody.
And girl, the fact that we are living in a
day where they don't even want to consider us human.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Like what they've taken the humanity out of out of us.
That's why they were able to make us public enemy
number one. They were able to make us public enemy
number one during this whole campaign.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
But it's only for now because before it was somebody else.
They're always finding someone for the agenda.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, but you gotta understand, if you want to get
a racist motherfucker together with a with a superass nigger
put a punk out there, they gonna join forces to
try to stomp that out.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
But guess what, as soon as they did that, that
white motherfucker turned on them black motherfuckers too.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, that was well, that was always, that was always
the target anyway.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
But did you tell them that? And let's be clear,
even though we're talking in general about people and women
and gays, it's all of them, all of all of
them don't like us. Straight, gay, bisexual, like all of
When it comes to trans women specifically, everybody feels like

(35:56):
we are the beneats. Like when I see a man
that get fucked in his ass and sug dick to
talk about you, you're more than me, sweetye. They look
at all of us the same. If I'm a faggot,
you're a fag just because you kept your beard, or
you use your deep voice, or you you can hang
out with certain places and everybody may not know once
they find out you suck dick, just like when they

(36:16):
find out that I have a dig. We're all the same, yep.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
But it won't.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It never registers, It never registers.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And this is why we can never bun as a
community together because we're so segregated within. Now I want
to ask you this, Cherry. You have been vocal about
not allowing the motherfucking man to play with you, and

(36:43):
you've been vocal about letting them know. Bitch you walked,
and hey, I ain't got no problem with it because
this is the way I feel, me, me.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Me, I feel like this.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
If you fuck with me, no motherfuckings, it's no holes.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Bar no, no, why should there be.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I put the disclaimer on the front door. Yes, you
knock on my fucking dough with your shotgun, I'm coming
out with a oozy bitch, I'm unloading.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
On your ass.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
As so anybody that comes into the to gets in
with the big balls to come in and think that
you telling lies or you just talking shit about I'm
gonna fuck you up. You fuck with me, they get
exactly what they deserve. Absolutely, And I see a lot
of discourse and a lot of conversation around you, like
when when stuff come out, they're like, does she go

(37:36):
out and the man again? Somebody gonna kill her? Somebody
like these are these are conversations that that keep around
like that's all she do and blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
And woop the woop.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
The very first time I ever saw you wear a
man out, I saw you driving him to his job.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I saw you're driving him to his job and went
to his job, tore him up in his job. What
did he do?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Let me be honest, in that particular video, it was
not what people thought it was. Tell me that particular video,
I had met this guy and girl that was really
in the first twenty four hours of us meeting, people
thought we were in a relationship. I went to his job.
Know what it was was this guy was talking to
I had met him the day before, and I asked him,

(38:33):
you know when you when we growing and evolving, you know,
you want to know what bitches you fuck with, because
I only know who was coming around. You know. He
lied to me and told me, oh, I don't mess
with trans girls. And my job was younger. This is
about ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, and well I've known you for way ten years.
But that's the first time I ever I ever saw
you do that.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
But you know, I do want to finish that story,
but I'm gonna tell you why as well. He had
a job interview. We was at a job interview. He
was getting a second job. And in the midst of
me waiting on his interview, girl I had posted me
and him and my social media, and you know, the
people was like, oh, I know him. You know how
they go the girls the girl, Ah, I know him.
He lives here. His name is such and sizes da
da and bitch. Because you lied to me, I went boom, oh, lord, Like,

(39:19):
if we could just wrap it up and truth be told.
If y'all do remember that video, y'all never saw me
say anything to anybody. I ended the video. I didn't
tell his job nothing. I just really, I think I
like to get a rout out of them, like stop
playing with people because you don't know who you plan with.
There are girls that were sitting in the car and
cry about it, but there's also a beach that will
go into your job and destroy your life. But you well,

(39:40):
you did terrorize that mean I did terrorize him, but
I didn't tell them nothing. I asked for the manager
and not into the video. And when I ended the video,
I walked out. You know. So that's the truth. That's
the truth. And if you go look at the video
of y'all, go find the video, you will see you
never see that video.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Has so many reviews. It was all over it was everywhere. Yeah,
it was like it was that was the not We
had been talking way before then, but that was like
the first time I saw you, like have an altercation
with a gentleman. Yeah, then we moved down the line.
And then because you did that video that had that

(40:16):
massive amount.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Of views, millions of you, Yeah, you know, that stuck
with you. I'm learning today that stuck.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
With you, and that video stuck with you, and when
and and it became like a mark, and then you
had another altercation.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
But let me say this, it's not a mark that
I'm ashamed of you.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
No, no, I'm not saying as a mark. But it
became a mark. I would if I was a man,
if I was a male that was seeking out cherry
the boom, I would make sure that all my eyes
were dotted and my teas were crossed.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
That's the plan, that's the goal. That's why it's done,
and that's why it would keep happening. Stop playing with me.
I'm not your baby, mama, I'm not your wife. I'm
not your girlfriend. When you come over here, come correct.
I already have a lot going on. I don't need
you playing all my time because you're horny, sweetie, and
I'm going to gag you every time you play with me,
don't y'all. You know how these men be.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Oh, trust, I'm.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Just not the girl. That's gonna play with you. And
because I know what really gets them out of their
comfort zone. I know what really gets up under their skin.
It's okay for them to be dead bee fathers, it's
okay for them to beat on women, it's okay for
them not to have a job, it's okay for them
to live off women. But if you tell their little secret,
it's the end of the world for them. Welcome to doomsday, bitch.

(41:35):
I'm going straight there fucking with the boom, your doom, bitch.
And it's because y'all care so much about what society
says fucking with the boom do they care? They care
about that only, And because that's what they only care about,
that's where I'm going every time.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
You gotta understand that that's the only thing women care about.
Women don't give a fuck if they got six six kids.
They don't give a fuck. If they rob the bank
up the street, they don't give if they just fucked
the bitch two bitches last night.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You you wrapped up with a pop you yay? Oh
so you got VD. And my whole thing is if
you are out here moving in that way, because I
don't believe every man should have to tell his business
who he sleep with.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I don't. I don't think so either.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I don't think that. But I also don't think that
you should be ashamed of it one or two. And thirdly,
don't be out here living no lie and having secrets
and playing with people.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
But is that that's I don't think that that's our
place to to push them out of them.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
No, no, no, it's not our place to push nobody out
of nothing. But my advice for you is, don't have
a secret to come over here planes.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
All my time.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
And I know, I don't know if I want you
to be honest with me, because I know you will.
So we have that type of relationship that we have
countless NFL, NBA. That's that's the part of what we
girls do. I don't think know how to will ever
understand the relationship between the transgender woman and the athlete.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
And the rappers and the rappers and the niggas that
work in McDonald's. Yeah, but them niggas.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But we talk my some that the relationship that the
trans woman and the athlete have, that that's from all
sports and the rapper that that they have. We don't
want to. I want to talk about that one boy
in particular, Yes, the one that got drafted. Now what happened?

(43:29):
Did he just inbox you and was playing and then
deleted the messages see.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
For me and always don't come playing with me. I
think a lot of these men they think because I
think they think a lot of us are groupies, because
there's a lot of female, desperate, desperate, horny punk and
it's a lot of tired ass punks. Yeah. And I
think that because a lot of these men feel like
they have a certain cloud, that they have this air,

(43:55):
and that everybody wants me. No, sweetie, you're not subjected
to having to pay us well, so you will come correct,
you will. And what pissed me off with him is
that after you realize that I needed my change, you
try to go delete all the messages. Oh, like, fuck this, bitch,
I ain't got to give you. You don't even know
who you're playing with me. I am the screen shot queen.

(44:19):
And it's because I know how people play, you can't
play with me. And I don't need nobody to agree.
I don't need nobody to understand because you're not treated
how I'm treated. You're not looked at how I'm looked at.
So if you're gonna come to me, at least care
enough to be like, well, let me help the bitch
out with a builder two, right, because you know I
gotta come. It ain't no different from these bitches and

(44:39):
sleep with other women's husbands back in the day. You
know when women you sleep, but other women's husband the
man like when we leave her a little something I want,
no problem, That's what it is, you know. I gotta
be honest and truth be told. Girl, I don't watch sports.
I didn't know who he was.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, I don't watch sports. Yeah I don't really know that.
Like when I was in the business, I never knew
that they were really athletes until they got in there
and I was just like, or when they've wired me money,
and I'm.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Like, yeah, I'm not, no groopy, I'm not I'm not
looking for who's popping. Because truth be told, men who
are not as popular and famous spend money. They spend money.
I'm not a groupie. They spend money, ass I don't
care about And honestly, I didn't know about who he
was and what came out until all of it hit
the fan.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Right, and then everybody was on the side like he
you know, he didn't know. I'm so I'm oh, girl,
I'm so over the I'm so over Ye're right, I'm
so over.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
The excuses after excuses for these men anything to hate us.
That's what I was talking to Miss Mary about earlier
before we recorded anything. You could have receipts prove everything.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I mean, because I'm gonna get there because I definitely
want to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I don't even want to give that cloud chase and
ask no names. Okay, because girl, she's still talking about it.
Really last night I had to air that hole out again.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Cloud is real, Yes, and sometimes those beat those men
like that shit too. Don't be no fun them men
like that shit too. Because I feel like I feel
like anybody that knows your rap sheet, they come play
on your top.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
They won't. They won't that they won't that type of noise.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I feel that because I've been looking at it, like, bitch,
there are girls on the internet that you know. You
can't pass me on the internet. Sorry, sorry, bitch. You
can't pass the tests on the internet. You can't pass
Cherry on the inn, you can't pass the girls that
are notorious transsexuals Notori notorio a sexual.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yes, notorious, sleep and proud, up and proud, will tell
you suck my deck literally, bitch, no teeth, play pussy,
get fucked. Yeah, we'll tell you this. Yes, yes, so
you gotta kink.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
This's got to be some kind of key for me
to tell you what to come over here, play on
my top knowing I'm gonna put your I'm gonna put
your house, your phone.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Your kids, everybody up there. Everybody got it. Stop playing.
I used to.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I will tell you that times have changed me. When
I used to watch stuff going on like this, my
stance used to be like, well, the girls know that
the boys killed and then this and the other, that
the boys are killing you for doing ship like that.
The reason why the boys kill and get and get
away with it is because don't nobody tell who the
boys be.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I remember one night. Oh, I'm so glad we're talking
about this.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
I remember one night I got when I used to
walk the streets in Miami, I got raped, robbed, and kidnapped.
M right, I want you to listen very closely. Raped, robbed, kidnapped,
raped and robbed. It went in that order. Kidnapped, raped,
and robbed. You knew who you know, who knew who

(48:05):
the who, the boys was, the girls, the girls knew
who he was. They needed to me because they knew
exactly where to come find me. You know why he
ain't getting no time and all this shit because when
I when we when they captured, because the girls didn't
say nothing.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
The girls the other training, they never said anything. Yeah,
so he went back to his life. I was raped,
robbed and kidnapped, and you had to deal with it,
and I had to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Diamond Styles, who I Love, did a video review over
talking about whatever was going on with you and that
boy whatever?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Who is Diamond Styles?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
A Diamond Style, she's on YouTube. She did she her?
And then listening to you, it all, it all made
my perspective to start wounding up. Diamond said, A nigga,
don't get to come in my motherfucking life. Is she Yes,
she's Treands. I want you to look up. I love Diamond.

(49:17):
A nigga, don't get to come in my motherfucking life.
Hurt me, lie to me, do ill shit to me,
and then go the fuck home and act and live
his whole life like ain't nothing going on? And some
shit happened to me. He watching TV and flipping the
channel like, oh well, she said and that stuff. I said,

(49:40):
eat them up, bitch, I should I said, eat them
bitches up, because they get to do all types of
shit to us and fall under I didn't know, and
everybody believe them.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
And that's why I make it known, because bitch, you
didn't know. Everybody believes them. Everybody. But the question shit
that I have always had me wait, wait, wait, wait,
hold on, sister, everybody don't believe them. They run with
it because they hate us that much.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, but the question I've always had is I can
tell by your shoulders, I can tell about your eye lids.
I can tear by your throat, look at your atoms
out for your feet long, your hands big, you're tall,
you're why your body shaped wrong, your head too big.
So if all this is the telling factor, and you

(50:29):
as you females that say, kay, no, I know y'all,
y'all ain't us, we we ain't the same, and then
you niggas that'll be like, can't nothing fool me?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I know a woman from a how do y'all always
let your homework.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Get away with I didn't know or your baby daddy
get away with I didn't know, or your cousin get
away with I didn't know, Or your uncle get away
with I didn't know, or your friend or your card
I didn't know. How do y'all let them get away
with it? How because in just the same breath you said, Hey,
nobody trick you.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
But do you know that's a thing though that I
don't know has become a thing. Well it's always been, yeah,
like I'm starting to realize more so recently, it's a
thing where they know exactly what they're doing. But if
they say I didn't know, with them knowing the world that.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Boy got off that boy who's it's in the league now,
he got off with that I didn't know. You know,
those people fix that up for him.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Do what you need to do. But I know what
I do too. The world knows. Clean it up however
you may. But bit you know, and a thing what
it is, the truth gonna always come out. I may
have been the first person. Something else is gonna happen.
It's gonna be another girl he played with. It's gonna
be something else, and they be like girl cherity. That's
how that type of should always Beesse. They never stopped

(51:47):
because I don't know if you heard about recently around
my birthday a few weeks ago, the dude that sent
me the thous Oh yeah, girl, they had they fucked
up my bank account. Everybody was just like, why don't
you just get a new account, and.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Navy Federals time to just get.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Enough new account. I have all the proof, all the receipts.
They don't care about us, And that's why I go
so hard for us, because when I go hard for me,
I know there are girls that I'm going hard for
as well.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Did Navy Federals send you your money?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
They gave me my money, but I do not have
my account.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Now as an older woman to a sister, a niece
or daughter, Have them niggas.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Wire you that money learning.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Have them wire you that all my NFL NBA's oh,
because I do have them too. I want you girls
not to be fool Don't you ever be fooled? Don't
you ever before I am ts Madison, bitch, don't you
ever be fooled? Have them wire you the money wire
because they can't never take that bag. Get in your

(52:48):
motherfucker car right out there and pick up that wire
wire the first half and the second because anything that
they can go into make account and redo, they can't
go get that bag.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
But what I don't understand what these men who have
so many any secrets, like, bitch, why are you playing
with people?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Do like it's a kink. It seems like it's a king.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
It's because so many girls just deal with and a
lot of girls don't have the platforms that we have
that people will listen to. Bitch, that is what it is.
They get used to a girl go put it on
their Facebook and get twenty likes. M you know what
I'm saying. Or a girl might post it in the
local town and only the people in that town went know.
But bitch, our voices reaches the mass. Yes, yes, and

(53:26):
I'm not playing with them. Bitch, stop playing if you
have a secret and you don't want your secret out
And you know they only capitalize and talk about when
we are outing men. There are several men that I
have great relationships with, Yeah, that I wouldn't even feel
right even thinking about talking about them or discussing them.
But for those of you who feel like I could

(53:47):
do what I want to y'all and get away with
it and you can't do it to every girl, So
each time they do it, you're gonna tear them up
here each and every nod. If I'm gonna be honest
each time, I want to do it. But I do
be thinking sometimes, girl, i'd be going real hard, but bitch,
and I don't want that image out there. But if
it's necessary, if it pisses me off, yes, the Navy federals. Bitch,

(54:10):
I had access to your wife and in an hour
before I made my flight, girl, I was in Mexico
with zero dollars. I get to the I get to
the airport to transfer money to you know, get my
little souvenirs.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
And oh this what I want you to take me
from the beginning of that story to the end. Take me,
because because I'm listening, they may not I'm listening to
take me.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
So, girl, I met the man. He found me on
x and he was calling for a FaceTime show and
you know, he sent me my coin and in the
midst of us chatting, you know, I got a mouth piece, bitch,
I know how to work a nigga. And we were
talking and he was like, I want to see you. Well, sweety,

(54:51):
I'm available, but I need my deposit, bitch. It can
happen as soon as you so girl. Long story shore.
He ended up sending me three thousand dollars and I
I ended up telling him like, well, my birthday is this.
We come to Mexico with me, come to cant Con
with me. And he was like, well, I can't because
I'm married. And I was like, oh, okay, Well when
I come back from my trip, you know, and he
was handsome. He wasn't no bad looking man. You know,

(55:13):
he is he your type? Actually he is you like,
dark skin, dark skin, tall, mature. His business was together.
Money obviously was not an issue. Girl, that's what I need.
And when he saw me, I think what made him
mad is that he saw me in can Con with
another man.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Oh he was jealous.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
And with my phone really not working out of the country,
it was kind of like I didn't know he had
been messaging me and stuff. I pull up to the
airport trying to transfer some money and lock into my
Navy federal account and it's locked. It's locked, it's locked. No,
And I'm like, okay, well, girl, you know, maybe you

(55:55):
know it's just something going on a little freezed up
or whatever. So I call and the lady was like, oh, yeah,
I see that there's a hold on your account. Da
da da Dad. And I'm like, well, you know, I
don't know what's going on, but I just need a
couple of dollars until I get home. We'll fix this
out in the morning. She's like, well, unfortunately, I can't
do that because it's under suspicion for fraud. I'm like, bitch,

(56:17):
I'm thinking that day saying there was a lot of
spending because I'm out of the country and they saw
a lot of you know, transactions. Yeah, I'm like fraud.
And so she was basically, I can't help you. And
as we were hanging up the phone, I said, well,
how much was it for fraud? And when she said
three thousand dollars? Girl, I don't got a niggas send
me three thousand dollars every day, I knew exactly who
it was. And bitch, before I got on my flight,

(56:49):
has he responded to you, No, I don't need him
to because I got a hold to his wife. Let's
go deeper. What did the wife say? Boohoo? Just cried.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Now I'm gonna ask you this because I know we
have an audience that's going to be watching.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Did that bring you comfort that his wife cried if
I could be on this girl when she cried, I
didn't even go in because it had nothing to do
with her. I was just trying to destroy him. And
it's much of a bitch I can be. I'm not
a fucked up person. And I heard the baby in
the background crying. I heard her crying, and I just
hung up the phone. What did you tell her? I

(57:34):
told her nothing. She already knew who I was from
the post. The public got it to her, like girl,
the people knew where he worked, like and you know it.
And my beef is not with her, you know what
I'm saying. But ma'am, and you know and girl with
gagn A lot of people say I feel so bad

(57:54):
for her.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Girl.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I was like, girl, fuck r bitch. It's in Mexico. Girl,
I'll shay, Like girl, What if I what if it
was one of those trips where I didn't get a
round trip home and I was just staying as long
as I wanted to stay. What if I didn't have
all inclusive in my shuttle, was included in my hotel
and stuff grew.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Out of watch you some money to get home, girl girl,
about your flight to get home?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Who is he to inconvence my life? Correct? I shouldn't
have to call you. I shouldn't have to call my mom.
I shouldn't have to call my supporters. I shouldn't have
to call nobody when I already have it. You don't
get to inconvenice me and going about your married little way.
Because if I was any other trans girl, if I
was the average transgirl, it would have happened. I would
have been stranded and my story would have never been

(58:38):
to old. He would be over there with his family,
his wife, living their best life, not on my watch.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I want to ask you two more things, and then
I want to because I just needed We're gonna We're
gonna move to something sweet. I asked you that about
the wife part because I saw people even when I
was talking about it on my show. I seen the
womb saying, y'all punks be trying to hurt the women,

(59:13):
and it's just like, it's not about you being Why
don't you have vitu y'all fur thist nigga?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Fuck that? Why do they always have to say something
We're not the ones in the bedroom you're not sending
me money. I'm not coming to see You're not coming
to see me. Shut the fuck up. That's how I
feel when it comes to them holes like girl, how
do you pop up in a situation where you have
nothing to do with it?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Well, it's their husband, Jerry.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Well, they deal with your husband. That's what I'm saying,
that you should have nothing and you should feel nothing
towards us. Would it had been better if it was
a cis gender woman lies in the seat is lies
in de seit?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I think that the wound goes deeper when it's not
when it's us, You know what I'm say, Yeah, when
the wound goes deeper because they equate us.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
We're men. We're men well, and so your husband like men? Then,
because it is beyond who we are. How y'all look
at us, has nothing to do with reality. It's called gay.
It's called d l's call all this, all of this
because y'all call it that men like women and we

(01:00:18):
are women that they like. All women are different from
race to size, to color, to hair texture, to shapes
to sexuality to body parts. I agree, get over it,
get over it, And I honestly feel like if these
women would shut the fuck up and allow people to

(01:00:39):
be free, it would be no outing. Well, it would
be no outing if men could honestly go to a
woman and be like yes. And it's starting to slowly happen,
But there are a small group of men that will
say I'm attracted to all women, including trans women. They immediately,
especially from our community, the black community. Oh, why would
a man tell you the truth? And he can't tell

(01:00:59):
you the truth? And when we all know, majority of
the time, niggas are dogs, so they're gonna say and
do whatever they need to do to get what they want,
which is sex.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Do you ever think you're going to be loved.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Truly, loved truly absolutely without money? M Wait, you said,
do I think I will be able to be loved
truly without money? What do you mean without it being transactional? Yes,
when I meet a man that knows that providing is
part of being a man of a household, it's the transition. No, Maddie,

(01:01:36):
I hear what you're saying, but I don't agree. I
think that nowadays men don't have to be men no more.
A man should want to take care of who he
says he likes, and loves. But at what point do
you not need to be taken care of? What do
you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Every woman wants to be cabbed, Yes, we all do.
Even even if you are a breadwinner. Even if we're
dealing with a man that does may not have what
we have or what we have, we still want a
man that can come to the table with something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Well for me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
I resonate so much with you because there are pieces
of me that when I look across the table. When
I was heavily a sex worker, I had told myself
that my life was never going to be I was
never going to be in a great relationship until I
was done with the work with the sex worker. I
was never going to be in a great relationship. Even

(01:02:43):
if I dated somebody that I was doing content with,
I was never going to have a successful, prosperous relationship
in that field.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
So why are people who are not in that field?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I'm about to tell you I'm no longer in that field.
No longer in that field. I don't sell pussy on
the side. I don't suck dick on the low, regardless
of whatever ragged bitch get on the motherfucking Internet said, bitch,
I make money. Yeah, I make lots of money because
my name is Tis Mathison. Bitch, I make lots of
motherfucking money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I've been wounded by what I've seen, and I don't
think that it's necessarily a wound. I've been awakened.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Let me let me, let me let me rephrase that,
not wounded.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I've been awakened. And because I've been awakened, I'm over
here in this area in my life and I'm like
all of them may right, and they don't have enough
money to give me. Girl, I made one hundred and
some thousand dollars last week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
There are people that make that take a year for
them to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
I did that last week, one five to be exact,
last week. Okay, there are people that work a year
to receive that two years. So what a man gonna

(01:04:21):
bring me that don't make no money?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Like it? But Maddie, if we're gonna be real, I
didn't make one hundred and twenty five thousand last week.
So we're talking from two different girls aspects, you know
what I'm saying. We just gonna be real. I need
a man, not that I need him but I have
the choice not to deal with a man that's not
if money, if life was grand and I had everything
that I needed and wanted, yes, I would girl probably

(01:04:44):
go find a broken nigga and just live happily ever after.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Now, I don't want no broke nigga. I don't want
no broke nigga. But I also know much a lot
of times to me, it can't really match me because
I may have made one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
He doesn't need to match you in order to be
a provider for you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That's what that's the point I'm making. I want somebody
that matches my energy. I want somebody that matches my emotion.
I want somebody to respect that nigga. I can buy
anything I motherfucking want, including a nigga if I wanted
to do, if I wanted, because it ain't tricking bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
If you got you feel me, so I can do
the things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
I can move around and do the ship that I
want a motherfucking do when I want to do it. Okay,
but I still want you to provide for me, So
I get what you're saying. Buy me dinner, Romance, buy
me dinner, romance me, take me there. Do things like like, like,
you know, because I know that there might be even
and I and I intimidate men that have money because men,

(01:05:45):
there are men that have money that that don't. They're
chopping up with me and I'm like, oh, I that's cute.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I can do that. And I think that has a
lot to do with it. When a man can't make
you melt like the average woman, they either are like
you said, intimidated, Okay, all right, they're either intimidated or
they just don't want nothing to do with So when
you ask me, will I ever be able to be
in a relationship and it's not financial, I'm not always

(01:06:13):
looking for something that's financial. I'm just not dealing with
something that doesn't make sense, got it? Like to be real,
I'm not sitting with a man that is not gonna
pay my rent in telling me that I can't get
money from elsewhere. No, I'm not not to say it's
right or wrong, but I'm not the man that I want.
The woman that I am is going to be with

(01:06:34):
a man that provides. Because don't get me wrong, this
is not the long term goal. Escorting and making content
that's not the goal, but that's what pays the bills,
and this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Is why we wrap it up in this space right here.
What is the long term goal, Sherry? The boom is
what do you see for you in two years? I
ain't even gonna go five. What do you see for you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Honestly, Maddie, I want what God wants for me. I
don't because I never thought I would be here today.
As I was getting ready to come here, when I
hear my name and a sentence with yours, when you
reach out to me when we converse, I am humbly
grateful because I love you, and I love you so
the fact that God has put me in a place
to where I'm in the same room with icons such

(01:07:16):
as yourself, I am really grateful and humble. Yes, I
know I'm Chevy the bone, but I also know that
God has made a way out of no way. Oh yeah,
and I don't know what's in store. But as I
was getting ready this morning and listen to my gospel,
it was like, Lord, I want whatever you want for me.
I don't really have a plan. I'm gonna keep moving
and making moves daily.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
But I know you say you want whatever the Lord
has for you. But what do you tell the Lord
that you want specifically, because I'm gonna tell you how
it works for me. I want whatever God God for me.
But I also tell God, God, I want to live
comfortable for the rest of my life. Yes, I don't
want to ever have to go back in that space
where I'm sucking dick and getting fucked and doing all

(01:07:57):
this stuff. I enjoyed it. I did, but I also
was awakened in many different areas than just awakened from
You know. Then it's just like whole thought that we
was on the same level because niggas, because because the
pan as, niggas calling you, calling me, we're not the
same at all. We're not the same home, We're not

(01:08:19):
at all. And also I want to do more than
just that. Absolutely, you have to tell the universe God, God,
I want what you got for me. But God, you
told me in your word. Since we're both we're both

(01:08:42):
with the church girls, you told me your word. I
have not because I asked, not God. I want a
successful business off of my name. Yes, I want my
name to make me prossly, not my pussy, not my faith,
not my dick, not my ass.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I want my name.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Absolutely, I want my name to make me a fortune
for me, my family to provide for me. I want
to be able to tell a nigga that they ain't
got it. It's all right, you ain't got it. I
don't need it. I don't come over here with dad.
I want to be able to I shoe niggas get
out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Rich nigga be talking about, Oh I got another so
I can buy that too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
What are we doing long term together? As far as together,
if we made it together. I'm in that space. That's
the type of person that I may deal with down
the line. I'm not really all the way there yet.
I'm still working on that. But I want you to
leave this place. I don't want you to go home
and say, yes, God, I want what you have for me,
but this is what I also want you to provide
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
And I think that's where the now podcast has come
into play because a couple of months ago, I had
opened a salone and I was going to go back
to doing what I knew. But that's not my passion
and that's not how I create and built the brand
Cherry the Boom. It was not from doing makeup. That's
something that I'm good at But that's not my passion.

(01:10:07):
And my passion is showing girls like me and people
like me and just real people that we have a voice.
And you change the world by being you, and the
fact that God has allowed me to be where I'm
at today just by being myself. I let the shop go,
I started my podcast. This is what I want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And you wrote a book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I wrote a book. Yes, because my story needs to
be heard.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yes, it does. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
And a lot of people like you said earlier, Oh
she's angry. I'm not angry anymore. No, I don't think. No, no, no,
I'm saying that's what they say. Oh she's angry. Even
if I am or was, I had reason, and I
need people to understand. People aren't who they are today
for no reason. So yes, I want what God has
for me. But I want to keep doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Tell God, yes, tell God to enlarge your territory.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Enlarge my territory.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Tell God all the time that I want him them
they she it the universe. Whatever, enlarge my territory, enlarge it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
You know what I'm saying. So that I can be
what you need me to be. I need you to
do my presence is my motherfucking advocacy, my goddamn visibilities,
my activists, or whichever, however, which you where you want
to put it. I want to be a beacon. I
want to be an example. I want to be a
this I want I want, I want to have my
life to be an example, the good, bad, the indifferent,

(01:11:30):
the ugly, all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
And speaking of God, I want people to know while
we're on this podcast that He uses all of us.
Every one of us. They love to count.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Listen, godle God gave us some Dixon. He told me
he ain't taking mine. That's why my motherfucking she's still work.
That's why your motherfucking she's still work. It don't work
just in case the nigga need to suck that motherfucker.
But if a nigga need to suck that motherfucker, he
will if I get I if I got to pull
themdamn close. But I'm happy with all areas and all

(01:11:59):
pieces of me, just like you're happy with all areas
off pieces. But you I really want you to be
specific in your conversation with the Creator on what you
want him. However you see him them, they sheed to
provide for you for the for them for the ladder
of your life. Because we both outlived the expectancy of

(01:12:20):
trans women. We both outlived that that life expectancy of
trans women. And so this means that there's there's a purpose. Yes,
there's a purpose for our elevation. There is a purpose
for our presence. There's a purpose for eyes because it's
a lot of girls everybody and getting them eyes on
the is they're not getting those eyes. We get those eyes.

(01:12:40):
So there's a purpose for that. And then there's a purpose.
So just talk to God and ask him to in
larger territory outside of this. He did good and that
because he gave you that. He gave you that sex
territory too. Don't beat don't you be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
No food, don't be no food, yes, ma'am. But when
the time for the door for that to close, close
it and don't look bad, do not. I don't even
look at that shit. And that's what I tell people,
like when it comes to that, that's it's not a goal.
But between you're paying your bills. You're paying your bills.
But when God does open that door and it's behind me,
it's behind me, I'm going to always be a sex symbol.

(01:13:17):
That's who I am. Gets it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
You see you ran across the old video back them
Nigga still right and he say come back to the game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I'm like nigga, I'm solving. I'm good, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
But God got you here for a purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Always ask him to reveal his purpose for you daily, daily,
not just what daily refeel it. And if it's for me,
if it is for me to do, make a way
for me to do it, because I can. I can
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
A man, you can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
You see what all the shit you press severe through,
all the things, all the bad mouth and all the stuff,
all the near death experiences, all the time, you press
severe through that, and a's a purpose. Enlarge my territory, Lord,
don't forget I told you that, yes, ma'am. And when
your territories at large be like that fat bitch over
I told me to ask for this and like my shit,

(01:14:10):
it's large. Yes, you know, Lord. I send healing, I
send protection, I send love to my sister's daughter niece
Cherry over here, cover her lord and large her territory
and rich every ground that she walks on. Father, God, Father, God,
I ask you to whatever hindering spirits that are around her,

(01:14:31):
that are trying to hinder her anywhere in her life,
that you remove those spirits from around her. Lord and Lord,
I ask.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
You humbly to keep my baby protected from anything because
I love them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Amen. All right, So we come to the end of
show and the in the show it's called bandit. Bitch.
My name is Tis Madison, and if I ran the world,
I'd ban this. I go, so let me this is
what we do and decidego. So I'm gonna start it
off and then you do it. My name is Ts Madison,
and if I ran the world, I would ban them.
Trying to put DL and trade in the same sentence,

(01:15:10):
because bitch, I'm from a time where the d L
nigger was just the DL and he was with the
gay boys and he was like the gay boys and
stuff like that. He ain't like the motherfucker got damn
the damn trands and the damn women the trade like that,
the girls, and they like the wim the girls, they
like the girls there. So I want to ban all
of this, trying to loop these terms and shit together.
I really want to band terms. How about that I

(01:15:31):
run a band All the motherfucking terms and labels and
shit that we put on each other.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Just let the dis hang and the pussies loose. God
damn it, I'm tired of you got to be this.
If you do this, if you're.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Having if a motherfucker having an experience with somebody, that
don't make them that. I can lay that right now
with a woman. I don't want no woman after that.
I just lay down in God damn, that don't make me.
I'm already a heterosexual. I'm just a heterosexual motherfucking transsection.
So I want to band motherfucking laby. Then we do
the time, all right. So now you you say, hey,
my name is Sheridan Boom, and you got a minute,

(01:16:05):
and then the producers will tell you thirty seconds to wait.
So if I was my name is Sheriya Boom, and
if I ran the world, I would ban and then
whatever whatever come to your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
You just you just read you got a minute to
ban it, and why oh that's my makeup? Okay, girl?
You know what mean? That's what we got. You know,
because I love you, man, I love you should know that.
Don't you never let no bitch tell you I don't. Okay.
My name is Cherry the boom, and if I ran

(01:16:35):
the world, I would ban churches from pushing people of
LGBT experience out of the door. M Yes, I would
ban that because there's a lot of people who are
under the impression that God does not love us, and
I think that's why it's so easy for them to
say that we don't belong or we're not we're not human,
and we're not loved. Because if God doesn't love you,

(01:16:58):
who should But he does, so I think that all
across the world, if I could ban anything, I would
ban those pastors from shunning people, because God is a
God of love and I think that everybody deserves love.
So yes, ban it. Ban those those homophobic performances that church,
Ban those toxic mindsets, ban those evil people, because church

(01:17:21):
people ain't God people. Ooh, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
That was a minute, all right, we did it, all right, Cherry.
You know I love you, I love you, Thank you,
Thank you for coming. Do you feel like you got
it all?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
That? Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Inn And last thing that you want to say. Do
you want to tell the people what to follow you?
What you got going on? Tell them in the Michael,
this this there where you are?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yes, you guys. My podcast again is Cherry on Top
on YouTube. My ig is Miss Cherry the Boom. My
TikTok is Miss Cherry the Boom and come following love
on me. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
That's it, all right, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
We did it, y'all, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Had this is ts man, I said, Cherry the Boom
out by y'all. Outlaws is a production of The Outspoken
Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Co created
by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece, I'm your host Tias Madison.
We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and

(01:18:19):
Tias Madison. Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich and our
producers are Joey pat and Common Barral. Our video editor
is Tyler Rabinowitz and our sound editor is jes Crinchich.
Our associate producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to
our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed

(01:18:40):
by Wazi Merrit. Our show art is by Pablo Martinina
Got You Next Week, Honey,

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