Cosmo, the Queen of Melrose: Kind of Like Medusa

Today, we’re joined by the Queen of Melrose herself, Cosmo Lombino! Owner of Cosmo's Glamsquad, Cosmo & Donato, and Fashion Whore, Cosmo has styled everyone from celebrities to the girl next door– and of course, our host TS Madison! Maddie and Cosmo reminisce on their first meeting in one of Cosmo’s shops 15 years ago… and the shoes Maddie still needs to pick up…

Cosmo’s bringing Melrose to the studio, with a Medusa-esque headpiece perfect for Madison. And let’s hear it for the kimono! Could we be seeing an on-site Outlaws styling sesh in the future??

From fur coats one week to food stamps the next, Cosmo gets into her Scorsese-esque childhood in the Bronx. Maddie asks the big questions like, can you be a crime boss and a Jehovah’s witness? And of course, we dive into the story of her family’s move to California, which went viral in 2024. 

Family is a big theme of this episode, as Maddie and Cosmo share their own journeys with their families and why it’s important for parents to love their gay children. God loves his girls and God loves his gays– don’t get it twisted! 

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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bed bum yourself. He is that? Get a job ricking, honey,
rick hood, more.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Chasing all I'm black like that, stout, live and get
colored easy. This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. Is it on? Honey?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Is it on? Is this thing recording? What's up? YouTube?
Land to the land and all the lands all across
the land? Honey?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
This is t S Medicine coming to you loudlive and
all this I'm fever in color from the Outlaws podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Now listen.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It is the Outlaws podcast for a reason because usually
the guests on my show outlandish, outrageous, outspoken, honey, and
just all around out Okay, I am so excited to
be sitting here with a legend. Actually I was just
styled and dressed by this legend. We have a segment

(01:17):
on our show it's called talk your Shit. So instead
of me doing all these introductions and stuff like that,
I'm gonna allow my guests to break y'all in like
a virgin touch for the very first time.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's time for you to talk your shit. Who are you?
What do you do? What are you proud of? This
is your time to shine, so don't hold back.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
So you go with my name is, and then you
run down your accolades, who you style, what you've done,
how many awards you've won. I want all this thing
because because these are the moments. Yes, so we got it,
because these are the moments where we allow people because
you know, sometimes sometimes when you are a star, people

(02:00):
like to nail you to the cross for all of
the achievements and the accompli accomplishments that you made. So
here on the Outlaws podcast, you talk your ship, you know,
just like so you want to give you an example, Yes, bitch,
I am ts motherfucking Madison. I am the first black
transjitder woman to executive produce and start in her own
reality television series, Honey. I am on Beyonce's renaissance album Honey,

(02:22):
where I receive a writing credit and residuals every time
it'splayed Honey. I have produced start in many adult films
and things, and I've moved on, you know, like, run
your resume, run your accolades, and do it unapologetically. Make
those bitches feeling talk your ship, tell your name from
the start.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I love you so fucking much, tes Madison, I fucking
love you. My cuts is killing me right now. You
have two of them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
God, So this is the time for you to first
time one to say that we met fifteen years ago
in my clothing store.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Do you remember what I hold on the song?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Girl, I'm going to tell you that we met fifteen
years ago on the set of Milan Christopher and Lola Monroe.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Sh Is you mad or now? We have a song?
Or girl? Is you mad or not? Is you? Is
you mad or not? Oh? Yeah, so I was at
your store. I'm so glad you found shoes for me
because I have a size. Did you see I didn't
say your side. We got human size. I have a

(03:36):
sick We're not on crack. We got human size.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I have a size something. But and you found a
sage something for me. You found a side And like.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'm so glad you remember because you were in my
store and you were taken by it because it's like
a museum, very muchself so anyway, and then it was
like Lola Monroe was there, Okay, who still keeps your contact? Yes,
out her for a video not too long ago. She's
still absolutely fucking.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Gorgeous, fabulous. Oh my god. So anyway, and I remember
everybody and they were like this is this is maybe
how long ago? Maybe fifteen, it's about fifteen years ago.
They're like ts Madison is coming, tes Madison is coming.
Ts Manson's coming. I'm like, who the fuck is tes
mad Yeah, yeah, there was a buzz girl back in
the day. And then you walked in. I was like, okay, yes,

(04:32):
and then y'all shot the video and it was and
I was like, I wonder if she remembers. You're gonna
remember some Cosmo.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now now listen, now, listen, miss Cosmo. I want to
tell you this. Right, I left a pair of shoes there.
I'm coming to get them. You left a pair of
shoes there in that store. Okay, well guess what I
sold them?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
So you got? You got either a credit honey, oh,
you got a lapt ass. Yes, we'll think of something.
I got glory hold on my dressing room. You will
work something. Remember how we it was like we were
there all day. Oh my god, you just brought back
a memory. And this is what I tell people. I've
been in this. I've been in business a very very
long time, and so I meet so many people and

(05:15):
then sometimes but if you if you tapped me with
a memory, I can tell you. But we did all
that day.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I knew that you will remember first when that day
it was longest, It was in high hills.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
It was a long high heels kind of like that
because I got these in your size too.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
They stretched like a condom, but they stressed like a
real good puss, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
So we were together.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Oh my god, this is crazy because like guys, we
were together like all like we were together early that morning.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, yes, yes, we were together. That was a whole day.
It was a whole day, do you know? That? So
stuck in my head. But that was a good song.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
It was it was there was my launch, mylon Christmas
crist We walked out to the front of a what
was it?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Was it mail Rose.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So we walked out to the front of that and
so I had on this bleuwer. I had on a
lot of pieces cause we changed a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Girl, And so you were the moment though, let me
just say she was the moment girl, because we were
waiting for her to get there. Girl, this shows up
fashionably along it was yl.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Because I didn't know where, you know, I didn't know
where how where we were hanging out of l A.
You know, I was like kind of fresh coming to
l A. I live in I'm from Miami, but I
live in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay, Okay, that was like you're welcome to Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Was it was a well, you know, I have you know,
worked on other streets, but it wasn't Melro And so
we went to We walked out in front of your
store and like the car started blowing because you.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Know, I was a little bit smaller at the time.
You know, I'm a plus sized girl. Now you get
more free drinks, now I do.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's just just saying free drinking, more free appetizing. Okay,
So I was, you know, a tabby smaller girl, honey,
you know, and you know, so you were giving. I
was definitely giving. Now, the mug has always been the mug,
and the mug has been the mug. But I walked
outside and this on the cars just started stopping on
the side.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Girl, Yes, you do you know, yes, let me know
you're here. Yes, and now we're here and we're here,
Oh my god. But I followed you from then.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I was on how she's doing, how she's doing, and
then I saw you here, and then I saw you there,
and I just saw your bra bo girl, and I'm like, okay, love,
when somebody comes up you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
And moving, I get it here. I cry all the time,
It's okay. What's your sign? I'm a scorpio. Oh yeah,
I get a bad rap. But we're loyal. Were gonna.
I'll take your husband. I'll bring it back. No, I'm
a Libra. Score for you. I'll take your husband and
I'll send him home. I do it all the time.
I'm actually doing so yeah, girl, I'm not wrong with

(08:02):
as long as you're bringing back honey.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
No, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, who wants that.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
It's too many, not just expensive, it's too many, too.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Many other things to do. Yeah, girl, we could just
go to Ralph and pick another one. Right. Yeah, but
you're Libra. My mother was Libra.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, that's why I feel like, Yeah, so I'm I'm
a Libra scorpio. Actually October on October twenty second, on
the last day.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Oh my god. So you know we fuck like dogs.
We just like that. I'm tired though I'm five minutes.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Girl, I got people come over my house, girl for
a little escort a little massage, shiny and they go,
let me give you some money back.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
What he yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. They're like you were
five minutes bitch. Yeah, They're like, yeah, let me give
you so you don't yet lazy, I said in queens
Bridge and New York City girl, and up and down Manhattan.
I'm from Harlem, girl, I'm in said, That's what I
want you to carry on since I'm like nine years old. Girl.
This is why I want you to talk here she tired. Girl.

(08:58):
I want you to that girl A wait, hold on, now,
where's your ass?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I want you to look over there into that camera
and tell them my name is Cosmo. I done, but
I want you to run it down, like let those
bitches know why you are the who you.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Are up girl, that's what that's what we do. I
love that, girl, I love it. Uh yeah, So I'm Cosmo.
I am the Queen of Melrose. Honey.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I've been there thirty years, honey, styling everybody from Brittany
to Beyonce, from the hip hop people, from from the Loonies.
I got five on in Honey, the Hip Hop.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
World, and I also did the rock and roll The
Rock and Roll World, like Motley Crue and all those
and all those bitches.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Okay, so earned the name Queen of Melrose. I've been
there thirty five years.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, I have to have the store. So now I
have two stores, and I opened up another store called
Shoehorror where we fucked for shoes. But that's another conversation, girl.
But you're gonna love that store, girl, because we got you.
I got human size girl. Yes, where is it shoehor Shoehore. Yeah,
she's on Melrows. You know what Starbucks is, h Merrows
and Fuller.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So so you so you have your other store is
still there, so we have when that you walked in, Yeah,
that was like almost fifteen years ago. I still have that.
That's the original store. I said.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
That store is so eclectic. Yes, there is so many
things in that store. Yeah, I remember I rode past
it once.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
A museum. It is like a museum, and so I
remember riding past it.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I was out here once and I was like, damn,
I should slide in there and see if I can
find because you found me shoes that day.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yes, yes, I think it was my employee. I remember
my employee too, and he was going crazy looking for shoes.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Your shoes. He found them, got a raise and I
got I slid my foot up and just tipped and tipped. Girl. Listen,
almost got me a date on the damn side walk.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Bitch.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Oh my god, you still well girl. Yeah, even at
this age, you need to come see me, girl.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, I promise you. I'm coming out.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
I promise you see me on Melrows for real. I
have shoe store is that you will love. I have
one that's like more rock and roll and gritty, and
then I have the other one that's more glamor.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
But I like this you got. I like this this
outfit that you made. Yeah. Yes, so we do like
a lot of head pieces girl, and you will look exquisite.
It's kind of like Medusa. Do you see the snakes
on there?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I have been known to make a dig rock. All
I got to do is.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I have made a dig rock. So my thing is
like you, you live out here in l A and
I hear so much New York in you tell me
what is your origin story and like how did you

(11:51):
come about? And tell me about a turning point or
an experience or a source of inspiration or a eureka
moment that shape the path that you are on today.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yes, okay, so I don't know. Do you guys watch
soft Do you watch Soft White Underbelly?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I have watched it.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, okay, so Jordi pandemic. You either watch Software Underbelly
or you watch The Lion King. Okay, okay, I picked
the Lion King. I didn't know about no Software Underbelly. Okay,
So long story short, they asked me to be on
that show because my sponsor I'm in the program AA
and then I got this Sky Sober. He worked for
me and I taught him how to do the boutique

(12:29):
and how to make clothes and how to design. He
was like my little apprentice. So I didn't see him
for years, and all of a sudden, they go, Brandon's
on Software Underbelly and he's talking about you, Cosmo, that
you helped get him sober and that you basically mentored him,
you know.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
So I was like what.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
So the producer of Software Underbelly and Brandon called me
and they're like, we want you to be on the show.
You know, because the show is usually like doom and gloom,
like people who don't we cover h like people downtown,
homeless people, drug addicts, you know, all all the things,
all the underbelly of Los Angeles, of the world. But

(13:10):
I went on there and I told my story that
I'm from Harlem. I grew up in the mob. My
father was in the mob, you know. Growing up in
New York City. It was fabulous, you know. And then
one day we're getting a driven, you know, to school,
like in a limousine. And then the next week my
mother's going to give some food stamps. Honey, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
So I kind of grew up like that, like a
ping pong you know, how did that happen? Though it
was just what you did in New York. It was
like normal, you know what I mean. Like my father
like sometimes it was good. Sometimes they did a hit,
you know what I mean. He came home brand new car,
my mother got fur coats, honey. Like kind of grew
up like do you ever see the movie Goodfellas?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, I grew up like that, oh you know so,
And it was quite fabulous too, because I thought I
was a mob wife, girl girl, and I was a hairdresser.
I grew up as a hairdresser and I worked in
the village in New York city, and I would do
like Lisa, Lisa, all those one hit wonders.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Girl. So I don't want to cut you. I want
to ask a question in this.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
So you so your dad was a crime boss.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
He wasn't a boss. He was just affiliated with the mall.
He just was a hit man.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
He was affiliated. No, he wasn't a hitman, child, he
was just Okay. So in Harlem one hundred sixteen, a
pleasant avenue. It was Spanish Harlem, but there was a
huge Italian community. Okay, so we would have the feast
every year. There's the restaurant you have, you know about Raos,
like you go to Ralfs and you see the spaghetti sauces.

(14:41):
So there's like Prego Ragou and then there's Rails and
Rails is fourteen all this honey.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Okay. So anyway I grew up. That restaurant is from Harlem. Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
So basically now they opened up a rest or a
Raios a few blocks from here in Oh we gotta
go Eco. You're like, it's saying food, we go to
Rayos girls. So it's like they brought that out here.
And the guy who works the door in Raos is
Johnny ROAs beef. He was in Goodfellas. So when you
go to Rao's right now, he's by the door, the

(15:14):
really big guy. Yeah me, And he was in the
movie Goodfellow. So a lot of mob guys hang out
here too, you know. So I know a lot of
celebrities by the bar. But anyway, that's where I grew
up with. This famous restaurant is from and it's all
Italian in New York City, So that's where I started.
You know, I came up and my father was implicated.

(15:35):
And I don't know if you remember Goodfellas, there was
the Lufthansa theft where they robbed the plane for millions
of dollars. Well, my father was implicated in that, but
he did not he wasn't even involved. The FBI was
trying to make a case. So they were following us
to school when he drove me to school, the FBI agent,

(15:57):
they were in my yard, you know, running through my yard.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
So I grew up like this, you know what I mean.
And then it was also the thing of what do
we call it? So after after you know, after all
that that Lufthansa that let my father go, they didn't
implicate him, so that's when we moved to La Oh.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
So with all of that being said, how did you
find time to be this fabulous and suck dig?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
You got a crime You're in a crime family, right,
I mean that's real, you know, you know it's real,
tough guy.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
How did your dad? It was hard. It was hard
because my father.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
I have a twin brother, and he's straight and he's
real macho Italian, you know, but we're identical twins.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
But basically I was the kind of the girl. He
was the boy.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Because I grew up from the gate, like putting towels
on my head, walking around with high heel shoes. I
was three years old saying Mommy, I'm going to marry him.
So they didn't know what to do with me child.
They were like, oh my god. And then so what
happened was my grandmother was a devout Catholic. She's going
to church every Sunday. What happened was when I was

(17:09):
about seven years old, eight years old, Jehovah's witnesses came
to my door. My grandmother let them in. She converted
to Jehovah's witness girl.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
So now no birthday, no Christmas, you can't be gay
you can't touch yourself. I was like, fucked. I'm like,
oh shit, why did grandma do that? So we're all
Catholic in the family, but.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Could you be a crime boss? Though exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
But my father was still doing his thing right. But
she was the matriarch of the family, so of course
my mother had to try to be a Jehovah's witness,
which really didn't work out. But I was that's fine, queen,
you know. I was like, we would have Bible study
and they're like, you can't be gay, Cosmo. You know,
I'm sure you grew up like you know, yes, with
all those stigmas.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
This is this is a I think this is a
a plague for the queens. I think I think what
tends to happen is God and God and Gaze have
this dance that we do together that people really don't understand.
I know people, I know, people, heterosexual, straight people, whatever
the fuck they want to we call that. They have

(18:19):
this walk that they have with God. We have a
dance that we do. It's like we we we we
He comes to us to.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Do like, oh, who's that do? This is like you
don't touch me, do do? Dude? They said it do
do do see me, do do do do dude, Now
get on your knees and worship. Do do do do.
And so this thing that we could go back.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And forth like all the time, like you know, having
this this dance with God while they have this walk
with God. But we're like on this forever turntable of
like am I supposed to day? And what's going on here?
And then the devil comes along and be like right,
and they're telling you where you were made from the devil.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
But God is like, no, I made you.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Too, exactly exactly. So me as that child at Bible study,
they were trying to brainwash me, you know, and my
mother wasn't having it. Nobody was having it. They're like,
you can't be gay, and she goes, my son was
born this way. Yes, you know he's looking at you
walking around with a towel on his head and high
heeled shoes.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It wasn't a decision I made. It was made for me, correct.
I was meant to be goga. I was born this way. Yes.
I didn't know what gay was.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I don't know what a penis was. You just knew
you were a woman. I knew that I.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Would follow my father in the shower every time he
say I gotta take a shower. There, I was little Cosmo, honey,
going I want to take a shower with daddy, you
know what I mean, because you know little boy's fall
in love with their mother's titties.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, I was looking at my father, you know what
I'm saying, real some real shit. So my father's in
the mob grown with this fucking kid's looking at me.
What's going on? You know? But anyway, he didn't want
me to be gay because he knew it was going
to be a rough life in the neighborhood I was from.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I think their parents don't want their kids to be
gay because of the way that they know, how they
treat Gaby right right.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Right, he grew up and he didn't want to see
me get harmed or whatever, you know what I mean.
But like, you know, he was like people asked me
when I came out. I was like, girl, I was
never in girl, you always came out. So if the
Bible was started, I never forget this. I'm like, well,
the Bible also says the truth will set you free.
And here eight years old and I'm gay, and that's
that's you know what I.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Mean, and my father's like, but you could tell he
was proud of me when I said that, because he's like,
this kid's got bald, you know what I mean? Literally exactly?
Oh no more, girl? Oh are they done almost? Girl?
We'll talk. I don't want to talk about it. Is
there an earthquake? What do you know?

Speaker 4 (20:49):
We're in La?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
What is that? What is that? The ground shook?

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Are we having an earthquake?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
That was a never earthquake?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
What is it? On the Richter scale? So anyway, growing
up that way, you know what I mean, and we
all have stigmas, you know what I'm saying, you know,
So basically my mother stopped she couldn't be.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
A Dravah's witness. My father was still like practicing, going
to you know, being his like a little mob situation.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
And nobody was that.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
We couldn't commit to that girl after being Catholic, having Christmases,
I'm playing with Barbie dolls, and all of a sudden
like put everything away, we got to go to the
Kingdom hall. So anyway, my grandmother remained a Jehovah's witness
and my uncle became a Jehovah's witness. Oh God, but
then we all just started carrying on.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Girl, that was it?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
So who was the gypsy? Did y'all used to go
see to keep your dad protected from the police?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Okay? So how did I know that? Girl usual doing
your homework?

Speaker 4 (22:03):
How did I know that?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
So what happened was my father got off. Okay, so
he's like, fuck this. Everybody got indicted in the mob.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
It was a really bad situation in New York. A
lot of his friends went to jail, but he got off.
So what happened was he goes, I want to get
away from this life in New York City, basically being
broke one day, you know, limousine is the next day,
you know what I mean? My mother got a welfare
and no welfare you know, mink coats, you know. Like,
so he got a job in the Palm restaurant in

(22:36):
La His brother worked there. So my father moved to La.
I was seventeen years old. He goes, I want to
give my family the life that they deserve, and then
one out of its one at a time, he sent
for us, one at a time, and then we were
living in Encino. Okay, So the Palm restaurant was arrested.
Have you ever been to the Palm Steak in Lobster.

(22:57):
Real bougie, bougie, really expensive.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
So the waiters there make a lot, a lot of money.
Even my brother was a bus boy there, you know,
very good job. They were serving, like Johnny Carson, like
Ann Margre like in those days.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
You know, so real money, real money, really good money. Yeah.
So he moved us in a place and Sino, So
we lived in a condo. If you watch Underbelly my
whole stories.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, because I want to, because I was gonna, I
was gonna go back to Underbelly. Yeah, but I just
want you to tell me, you know what happened, what happened.
But at let's go back to Underbelly. Okay, So they
call you about one of your employees that it said, hey,
you know you help them they see him him get sober?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yes, yes, yes, So basically I helped him get sober.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
How you did it?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
How did you do it? You know? I took him
to a meeting, girl, and I did a little exorcism
on him. Girl. So is he straight? He's straight? Really gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Oh so you two hand him and he got so
you know what he you know, he's the only one
that got away.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I just really felt like I didn wanted to help him,
you know what I mean, because he was really sick,
you know what I mean, like literally sick.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
So basically took him to a meeting, you know, basically
he went to rehab. You know. Then I never seen
him for a few years. And now he's successful, you know.
But yeah, the hand job not with him, but but
all the others. Why not grow? I mean, well, you
know what's sober. We're sober, we're not dead.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
But did he really get away? You can call him
up the day and say, hey, you owe me lunch.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
If I call him right now, he would definitely come here, girl,
and you'd be like, he loves you.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
He loves you as he should, because you know, there
are sometimes I think that we queens are I always
say this to people that fags are God's gifts to
the world because we make people see the love that
they can't see in it, and we challenged people to
love what they can. Especially, I think we're gifts to

(25:03):
our parents because you know, our parents probably somewhere deeply
on their knees praying like God. I just want to
I want to show me how to love or I
want to love to and they say, okay, you want
to know how to love?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
You want to? Here's a fag he exactly. See what
you do with that? Yes, And then some parents throw
us out on the stream. So's some of us are
not that fortunate, you know, and they're so it's so
sad because there's such big people in the business, you know,
and it's like they're billionaires, you know, and they're they're saying,

(25:37):
you know, they're not coming out and being authentic, saying
I'm gay, you know what I'm saying, which would help
like all those families, you know what I mean, like
big actors you know I'm talking to.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yes, yes, you know, and they won't come out. They
don't even have a baby, and so like I'm straight,
here's the.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Thing, and they'll go and get into politics and then
they'll make all types of laws against us exactly, you know,
which is see.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
All those kids are getting beat up and they're getting
thrown out. You know, they're not as liberal as my
parents were. You know that they accepted me, you know
what I mean. Yeah, it was hard. Yes, my father
gave me that beating one day. He's like, I don't
want you to be gay. You know, I never forget.
So we're living in Harlan. My older brother's playing basketball.
So here I am little Cosmo and I'm everyone like

(26:23):
this girl. You know, I'm just like running like I
was just like just running like so gay. I'm the
basketball court and I was like, Tommy, Tommy, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
So my brother and all his friends just stopped and
they're like, oh my god, Tommy's brother is gay. You
know what I mean obviously right, So my brother Tommy
went home and said that I embarrassed him on purpose.
So I said, I didn't do it on purpose. And
this is your twin brother. No, no, this's my old
oh older and my twin brother like this so tight.

(26:53):
You know, you gotta meet Joey. I want to. He's
at the store, you love.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I'm coming over the town and he's.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Fine as hell. Girl, he's one of the last. How
the Italians you might have to be my sister in law?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Girl?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Does he likes soul food? He likes everything. Can you cook? No,
I can have something cooked for we could order it.
We order it.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, listen, I don't do domestic.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't. I don't think men are worth being domestic
for him. No, but we do like I like foreign
and domestic girl.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
But men, I like foreign and domestic men. But I
don't think that I don't think that we should be
domestic for them. It's not there's no men out here
in this dating area that needs to be cooked.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And yeah, you never met one that you were some
frying some chicken and making some lasagna over girl one
or two girl in my life or now now now
up now in my life. Sometimes you ever meet that

(27:59):
guy my life.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I've done some nice things for gentlemen in my life.
I have now in this phase of my life. Everything's
a text right.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Off, girl, keep it real, keep it straight, just go
to you know. So are you dating?

Speaker 3 (28:15):
So I'm dating somebody? Yeah, I met him in the
gym like seven years ago.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
So you all dated. You met him in the gym.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
What was he doing?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Was he squatted?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
He was working out? He was working out, girl, And
I was like, I was real skinny, I was on
erbal life, girl, I.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Was tinier that. Do you remember rbal life? Yeah, I'm
wanting now I started it again.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Do you do you remember this? Is that not a
pyramid scheme?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
God, we don't want to know it. Maybe lose a
lot of weight. Girl. They take a water pill, Okay.
So you know how all day.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I'm running and I don't eat my nutrients. So basically
that shake in the morning gives you all your nutrients
so you feel good.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know, just just just tell us that you start
dick in the morning. You catch them money because it's
phill of protein.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's that's shake in the morning that you need. And
it's so holds yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it does girl, Yes.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
But no, so you so you took Herbal Life.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
So back seven years.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Ago, I was real skinny Jim okay, and then I
wore two fake asses in the gym.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Okay, girl.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
And I'm walking around the gym like Chloe Kardashian. They
were calling me Cosmo Kardashian girl.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Okay. And this isn't Burbank okay, this is land of
like okay, land of the Lost. So I'm walking to
the gym feeling real because I lost this weight on
Herbal Life. Girl. So anyway, I see this guy come
up to me. Girl.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know how, there's always that one girl, and this
guy had balls like an all the thing, because he
came up to me in front of all those friends,
and he.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Goes, I don't know who you are, but I like it. Really.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, So that day I was like, well, I'm Cosmo,
Queen of Morrows whatever, I'm Cosmo, and and I have
a store meower.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I was going to work right now. You know, you're
more than welcome to come visit me.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Girl.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
He came to visit me. He never left. Girl, and
y'all got tattoo. I can't get rid of him, girl. Really? Yeah,
seven years later, you.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Weren't even looking for it.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I wasn't looking for a girl. But I know, like
I started loving myself and I started looking good. I
lost the weight, I had confidence, you know what I mean.
But you know, now it's open.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know what I mean? Wait a minute, like an
open relationship. Okay, that's because.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's why I'm like, wait a minute, how did it happen?
Where did it go from close to open?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Well, the relationship before like menche you know, I'm a scorpio. Like,
if you're gonna be with me, you're gonna be with me.
I don't do three ways, honey, I gotta be enough.
You can't watch that porn. You can't even watch porno.
When you with me, honey, Wait a minute, wait a minute,
you're enough. No girl, okay, but you're a scorpaio. You
should understand those things.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I understand those things, but I'm not with it. I'm
old fashioned.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
So now, so you guys, relationship went from together to
open Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, because you know what, basically it's like you know
what he does, what you'll call it. He travels a lot.
So basically like in the beginning, I tried to do
like I was very jealous.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Well, you're a scorpio.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Scorp I was jealous, girl, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
And we went to Vegas and he's like a strikingly
good looking six foot seven like body, you know, big,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I like him find as hell girl, me too, you
know clearly, ever so often so stupid.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Every so often one or two may slip through the credit.
I like, it's not all the way like what I
would normally go for, and it's probably because I was
in the mood for something, you know, right, But I
want to know how did they go from clothes to
open go?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I have no choice.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I don't want to if I want a relationship to work. Listen,
they cheat on Holly Berry. Of course they cheat on
j Low. I'm not an exempt girl.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
You're not yet, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
So is he the open relationship? You know, especially when
you're a queen like me, you know what I mean?
And like for me to agree upon that. But then
I was like, if you love somebody, you'll set them
free and girl, and they come back to this day
like seven years later, like he just comes home like
not every.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Day, you know, but now I do my thing. Okay,
it works out fabulous, Okay, as long as we're there, yeah,
because see I don't want you to be around one
of these girls is around here. Wait let him go
in want of the planes and you're not getting no food,
you're not getting oh yeah, I'm just waiting home a
curl as somebody, you know. Yeah. No, we got the
garden score, we got the gardener, honey, we got the

(32:42):
window knocker, girl, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
It works out that way because basically, you know, there's
no institution of like I don't think do you think
this institution in marriage anymore?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I think that marriage you'll believe in that, like you know,
it's just monogamy where it's just you and that person.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I really don't believe. I don't really believe monogamy is
like a thing like that. I believe that if you
have like, okay for me, I could just speak for me.
For me, I'm at a place now I'm forty, i'll
be forty eight, so it's like I'm headed. I'm more
close to you. Look, thank you, baby, thank you.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Because you know you've know me beautiful, like you look
the same from back then, right right right. Sometimes people
get busted, you're like backwards. Yeah, I had to listen, honey,
that's what money can do that to you. But you
have good genes.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I think that for me now in this era and
in this phase, I'm like, shit, I'm headed to fifty.
I've met all kinds of beautiful men. I've had sex
with all types of beautiful men. I've spent lots of
beautiful men's money, even the ugly ones money. I've spent
their money. They've climbed on me. I've climbed on them,
and I always get the chance to circle back to

(33:59):
I want people to go home. I want to have
a relationship that I think is monogamous, and then when
it starts happening, I'm like, uh, what is he doing?
Like it's like an invasion of the thoughts. And then
then it's like, well, what is he doing? Why is
he in his phone?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Who's he talking to? Like all of that type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Now it's not about insecurity in me, It's about all
the experience that I've had, Like I've been that bitch
that was on the other line while he's telling why
the man is telling me, I'm with my girl.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I call you back right so you already know. No,
you know, because we had the trauma. We had the
experience too, we had all of that.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, so you don't got to play. I mean, that's
why I was so glad with this one, because he
was honest with me. He goes, listen, I'm going to
be traveling. I like strip clubs. I like to go
fuck other people, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I like to fuck pitches. And I'm like kind of
I was like, what, you know what I mean? But
I'm so glad he was open with me. He goes,
if you want us to last, and you want me
to come see you all the time and we enjoy
each other, he goes, I need to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
That was the best thing you can February Aquarius Aquarius.
They're kind of free spirited.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
But.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I'm here. I'm the type of bitch.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'm Air. I'm Air, He's Gemini, he's Air, I'm.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Cosmo.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I'm this like I'm like, listen, I like you, but
my phone ringing, and if you fuck up, I'm going
to answer it exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
So don't try your best not to fuck up. Because
if you know what, I love that.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I heard from you that you like got to love yourself,
that you're gonna you you fine, going to bed by yourself.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, I'm okay with that. I have a dick. I
can beat it.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know, it's like it's cute, like the company's great,
you know what I mean, But don't get a twisted.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I have a dick. I can beat it. I don't
need anything. That's what's beautiful about you because you know,
like as we get older, you know we see the signs.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes, because we've done it, like we've been there, we've
done that, We've I've even helped the motherfuckers do ship.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
So it's just like I used to think that as
a oh god, I'm.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Gonna oh my god, you got me spilling te to you.
I used to think and I used to say, God,
are you punishing me because I was a sex worker?
Are you punishing me?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I thought? Yeah, like are you punishing me?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Like so that every guy that I deal with, they
have to be like is this like like is this
a punishment for all the women's husbands or boyfriends or partners.
But I'm like that I didn't make them do that,
So that's not my fault, Like that's I was. I
needed to I was a whore, but I wasn't a
whore because that was what I wanted to be a slutty.
I needed to eat, but that was the way that

(36:51):
that was what you knew to survive. That's those were
the cars. So now that that's not the case, no more,
and it's just like okay, but then I'll think of
but like every time I'm dealing with a guy, a gentleman,
a person, it's just like all the time, it's like,
you know, so it's.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Always because we have trauma. We have trauma.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
You know, it's guilt and shame. Girl, it's fucking trauma,
you know what I mean. And it's like sometimes you
got to pray it away, you know what I mean,
because it doesn't go away. It always comes back.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
So who's taking it away?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Is it Jehovah or is it whatever you believe in?
Like you believe in a higher power, I do always
all the time. Look where you're at. Yeah, you gotta
believe in something bigger than you're beautiful. Like, look where
you're at. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
You could end up so many places like me downtown La.
It could have been scared row, I could have got
murdered in a motel.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Girl. But you know why why we're here a girl?
You know why because you've been covered. You're a God
anointed queen and you've been covered.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And I do believe that.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I don't know how I expressed this to heterod people
all the time. Like as much as you guys try
to make us out to be like these wicked, evil things,
God loves us. God loves us unconditionally, and no shade,
God loves us the most because we have such.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
You and I can speak to it like we have
such a connection.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
But we get on our knees, not just to eat cock,
but we get on our knees and say God, why
did you create this?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
At the end of the day, I have to go
to God. I can't go to like a crack pipe anymore. Girl.
You know. That was my solution for a very long time.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
So you did indult oh girl.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I was the indulged queen. So that brought on Cops,
my episode of Cops. Literally the first year of Cops.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Girl. There I am on Cops and everybody, all my customers,
everybody saw me buying cocaine at a park and they
still play the same episode. So I couldn't even hide it.
It was like humiliating, but that was my go to.
It wasn't spirituality at all, because after all that, you
can't be gay, you can't touch yourself and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I went to alcohol and drugs for many years, you know.
But the beauty about it is now I go to
the source, yes, and you just tell me that's what
you do. Yes, at the end of the day, no person,
no power could be bigger.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Than the source, exactly. And that's where you go to.
And that's why we're sitting here today, girl, and we're
talking about it. Girl. Yeah, you know, and well you know,
and we're here and you know, it's it's it's it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I'm glad that you got here because there's a there's
a section of the show it's called villain era, and
here's how it works. Okay, so now let's get into
your villain era. You know, every outlaw's labeled a villain
at some point, often when we're just trying to live
our truth and do our best. Your villain era could
be a time that you stop people pleasing time and
you stood up for yourself. Or maybe you made a mistake,

(40:03):
maybe you did something that sparked some controversy, or maybe
the world just simply wasn't ready for you.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Cosmo, what was your villain era and what did you
learn from it?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
My villain era, it was in school because I was bullied,
you know, people like you faggot this and that, this
and that. So what happened was I became, you know,
like I got so tired of it. I became the bully.
You know, I became the bully. You know.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
It's like I was so like, like my brother will
protect me, my twin brother. You know, I had like
the mob thing and everything. I was always protected. But
there were times where people like you were faggot, you
know what I mean. I was abused in the New
York City school system. I went to the rougher schools,
you know, and so basically I was bullied, and then

(40:57):
I became the bully, which I don't feel that great about,
you know. So I would just bully people, you know,
and like you know, I would like get physical with
them just to prove my points that you're not gonna
fuck with me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
So basically I'm not proud of that, basically, but that
was my defense mechanism. I mean, So I wouldn't I wouldn't.
I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that you were a villain.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I think that you probably you were a product of
an environment that you were throwing it. You played the
cards that were dealt to you, you know, especially when
it comes down because I can actually relate to that.
Wasn't nobody whooping my motherfucking nobody. I used to tell
those boys, honey, when they used to be jumping all

(41:43):
up and down, like I'll fuck you up, faggot, and
all that type of shit, and I'll go to their
classroom door. I'm beating your ass after class at three o'clock.
I'm beating your ass after school. Motherfucker who knew that
me and you girl. Yes, girl, yes, seriously like saying this.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
We have so much in common.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
And it is because I think the queer connection is
so uh it runs parallel, you know, with each other.
Like what's the word I wanted? What's the word I
want to use. It's like it's like it's electric, it's
it's a it's a system, it's a wave of things
that we all kind of experience, you know. And I

(42:27):
was I was I'm not gonna say I was a bully,
but I was a bad bitch. And that's why my
knuckles look like the way they do, girl, because I
was like, you're not gonna be you know, motherfucker, get
out of line that I would think I was in
a crying boss.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Who you think you're talking to? Mother?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I had to learn, and my father's like, don't ever
come home and say you would beat up ever ever.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
You know, he goes. I taught you how to fight
because he used to box and stuff like that. You know.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I was like breaking down sometime. Girl, My pinky would
get this located. Same thing with basketball, my fingers. Girl,
you played with balls and Jeb your friend, I played
with balls. How do we share the same story kindred girl. Girl,

(43:20):
I knew we would connect. And I'm an EmPATH. You
also have that I do. That's a gift. Yes, that's
a gift, girl. And I'm telling you like I knew
that we would connected.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
But you know, fifteen years we're back. It would be sister. Yes.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
But even when I walked and even when I walked
in the store, when I came to your store fifteen
years ago, we bothered immediately. Yes, so many, so many
things have happened in my life, like you know so much,
but you brought me back to that moment and that
day and how we spent that day together.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
It was beautiful for such a good day. We came
to Hollywood for a dream, girl, and there you were like,
I'm styling you. You're in lights camera. Actually, yes, you know,
we came here for the I'm gonna cry right now though,
but we came here for that dream. Yeah, that dream
came true always, you know what I mean, because we
stuck to we had faith, girl. You know, we'd rather

(44:18):
be in fear of faith. Yeah, you know, and listen,
I choose faith.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I choose faith too, Yes, because we we we we
were forced into fear. It was the fear of who's
gonna love me? It was the fear of.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Did how was your household? You don't mind me asking
were you supported by your first by your mama? At first?
Were you in your mama clothes? I see you're being
real close with your mom. Now I love you, know
I love my mama.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
But at first things were because of course we have
the same background.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
They weren't Jehovah's witness, but it was just everybody's Christian
and you know, and then like going to church, people
tell you, oh, you're going to hell, like that's the
first thing I think that Queen's here, like like you
already have your death sentence. So this I think if
people stop trying to give us this afterlife thing like
they know and maybe maybe allow us.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
To live stigma.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Oh you're going to hell? Yeah, Okay, Well I'm going
to sell as many dixtions I need before.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I can hit that girl exactly. All right, Hell, okay,
I'm a sex I need. I'll meet you on grind
I'll see you there.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You know, And I've often said countless times like the
people who have condemned me to hell, I wouldn't even
want to be in heaven.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
With them. If this is what is?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
If this, if these are who's going to be in heaven.
I don't want to be around these motherfuckers, bitch, I
don't want to be around you on earth.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
You mean spend eternity?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, yeah, just stuffy really yeah, yeah. I don't want
to do that. And so.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
You know, my mother, she was a Christian. She didn't
put me out in the streets.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I left. I left home because I was trying to
figure it out.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
And like, my mother worked a few jobs, and I
had two other brothers and my aunt.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
I live with my mom and my aunt.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
My aunt had three other kids, so it was like
six of six boys, and so I was the oldest,
and so you know the responsibility of the oldest, Yeah,
like the responsibility of you gotta do this, you gotta
do that.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
And it's just like, bitch, I don't want to do that.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
I want to do this. I want to wear a wig,
I want to get my hair done.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I want to anybody like your aunt or that supported that.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Yeah, she's still and she's crossed over to the other side.
She's crossed over now.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
And I I.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Want to tell you two days ago I dreamed of
her she's been, she's been, she's crossed over, she's been
going for thirteen years. And I might get emotional little.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yes, it's okay to cry too.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
And she just two days ago, I was in my
bed sleeping, and.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I was in the bank.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
And I was in the bank with my mother.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
And my mother said, boo, reach over there and get
me one of those banks lists, because I can't never
remember how to put the money. The router never on
the bottom of these lips. So reach over to get
me the slip so I can give it to the tailor.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
And I reached over to get the bank slip, and
I smelled my aunt. I smelled her, and it made
me turn around. And I turned around and I saw
her and I said, darling, and she said, yeah, this

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is what was amazing, she said yeah. And she was
adorned so beautifully.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
She was the jewelry.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
She had on a pants suit, honey, she had this
layered bob and my aunt was a tall uh statue
was heavier woman whatever, and she was she had on
some heels like I mean, like my aunt was done.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
I said, bit, you look amazing.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
This is what I said. It was. It was she
was there. Yeah, I know she was there. She came, Yes,
she came in the bank.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Though, and so then and then then she said, uh,
I heard you were in town. I said, uh, yeah,
are you coming to the show? And she said, but
of course, like she was giving me so much grand jersey,
some of this, and so then she went over stepped
over in the elevator, and I jumped over in the

(49:02):
elevator with her, and she stubbed her toe, and when
the elevator do it closed, she was like, God, damn it.
I stubbed my toe and we fell out laughing, and
I woke up. I was in tears of joy because
that was real. I smelled her. I'm gonna tell you

(49:23):
something about dreaming. It's one thing when you see them,
but when you can I have them. Yes, thirteen years
my aunt has been dead thirteen I smelled her.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
It was her aroma that made Was this the first
time she came to you like that?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Did you look up to her?

Speaker 4 (49:46):
We lived and I lived with her. She was like
she was very supportive of me.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
And was she and ZeVA and she had it all
together and she was she was a grand girl. But
she was like a role model for Yeah, that was yes, yeah,
thank god she was there.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
But she was so grand, like it was such a
grand she was. I called her name, I said, Darlene Rayford.
She said yes, and it was just I woke up.
I love it because it was like the first name
and the last name. I called her name, you like
with with with I called it with with reverence, yes,

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you know, and and it's and you know she was Uh.
I smelled That's what overtook me, like when I got
up there, that I could smell.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
It was real. She came to you.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Yeah, she came to you in the bank.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, and look at you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Now, but that was two days ago. So I know
that there's something there. I don't know when, I don't
know how, but I know there's some big there's a
big payout. There's some big money. There's something coming from me.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
And that was her.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I wonder if you, like, you could call somebody that
knows about dreams, you know what I mean, like miss
Thing and Miss Teresa Couter.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Girl. Give I'd be like, girl, my aunt just stuffed
the toe in the bank.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, okay, And I'm a gating so we got an elevator,
I'll get some coins something.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
There's so much.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
That meant something. And the way she was larger than life. Yes,
look at your personality. Look at you, how beautiful and
grand you are, you know what I mean. So you
basically got that from her, you know, like my mother,
you know, like I want to say, I went on underbelly,
and a lot of my family did not like me
talking about the family because you know, it's telling your family, honey,

(51:36):
don't talk about that. Don't say anything about your father.
You know, being in the mob, you don't take you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Keep hush, hush, honey, everything secret, secret, secret, from all
those secrets you get sick of You get sick of
those secrets. Right. So basically on underbelly, you know, And
for me to get sober, I had to just get honest, honey,
and I got on camera and I just told my
testimony the way it fucking was.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Because that's my story. Yeah, I lived it. Yes, you know,
I went through torture, drug addiction growing up. Yes, a
lot of it was fabulous, but a lot of it,
you know, So that is my story, you know. So
I started feeling a little guilty because the family is like,
you shouldn't have said that, you know, because a part
of it, way is.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Like my mother used to tease her hair with a
bottle of daka in the mirror. My mother was gorgeous. Yes,
your hanging out?

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah yeah, girl, okay yeah, And my mother was teasing
her hair. She thought she was like Anne Margaret. My
mother was gorgeous, teasing the hair, and she would drink vodka.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Girl. So I mentioned that, So my aunts didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Distill alive. My mother died thirteen years ago. To thirteen
thirteen years ago. I'm getting chills right now, girl. Okay,
you might be the triplet.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
She's the triplet, bitch. Okay, it's Joe Cosmo and that's
the messing triplet right there. So anyway, so I was
feeling guilty and then I was and then they're like,
don't feel guilty.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
That's your story, boo, like you said your story. So anyway,
I had a dream my mother came to me. Okay,
And I just had a dream that she came to
me and she looked absolutely beautiful, yeah you know, and
she grabbed me by the hand. She goes, we're gonna
walk through this, like there's nothing for you to feel
guilty about. Mommy, Mommy, yes, Mommy's got you. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
And then I was like, okay, and this was the
beginning of like my so called social media career. And
then I just kept on going from there because I'm like,
my mother got my back. Yes, you know, she's making
all this happen, you know, because she didn't mean for
me to grow up crazy, you know, you know, like
one day was good, but then hide the Barbie dolls,
take the Barbie dolls out, you know what I mean?
That old did trauma to me and she knew it.

(53:55):
So now she's like, go ahead, tell your truth. Yeah, yeah,
be queen a Melroe, go ahead. You got my motherfucking permission, yes,
you know. And your aunt was telling you that as well.
You know what I mean, They come to you, and
I believe she's with me right now. That's why I'm
getting chilled. She's always there. And and and for her
to tell me, for your mom to hold your hand and.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Tell you she's walking with you through this, yeah, and
then for my aunt to tell me when I said,
are you coming to them?

Speaker 4 (54:22):
She says, but of course, like girl, I'm always at.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Your ship, right, I'm here, I am here, but of
course yes, But like Dominie like like Dominie devil.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
But of course Diane Carrol, I see her, girl, It
was that, it was so so you know what's it
can kill us.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Made us stronger. You know what's didn't hurt us really
like you know, made us like you know all that
pain that we went through.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
And I went through a lot of pain. Girl, this
fine girl. Don't get me wrong. I was sucking Dick
Weston right. You're New York City.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Girl, you know what I mean. And the Bronx two girl.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
I think for me, girl, girl, I've been I've been
a lot of places. I've seen a lot of races
all hell. I even slept with differ saying.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
But I've been around the world and yah yah ya, honey,
I have left some babies.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
You hear me, girl, I love you to day. If
you don't come to my Christmas party same, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Come and get you. Girls.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
You know I could sit and talk and gossip with
you forever, and we will. I'm gonna send come. I'm
gonna send you.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I'm coming back going there to get my fucking shoes.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
That I left over there fifteen years ago, honey, And
I made that maybe my my feet and went.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Up aside or two. But girls, it's okay girl, we
got you, Mama, I got your store credit girl, because
I probably I probably was the one that took him.
Those are some gluxious choose and I was sucking. So
we've come to the last part of our show, and
it's my favorite part. It's called ban it Bitch.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Now some people are out here banning drag shows LBGT
clip LBGT.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
We've come to my favorite part of the show. It's
called band it Bitch.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Some people are out here banning drag shows LBGTQ, plus
books and even our very existence. But we're flipping the
script today. What's something you would ban if you ran
the world? Now, here's how it works. We each get
a minute, and what we're gonna do is we're gonna

(56:38):
speak about what we want to ban.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
The producers will keep a track of the time and
they'll call out when there's thirty seconds or there's ten
seconds left.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Let me kick it off and show you how it's done.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
My name is TS Madison, and if I rule the world,
I would ban small shoes. First of all, I have
a big but it is an eleven wide sometimes twelve.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
And if it's narrow, sometimes it's thirteen.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Now I get so angry when I find a magnificent
shoe and a bitch only goes.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
To a size six. I'm banning all you size six
feet girls.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I'm gonna punish you all and make you walk on
the side thirteen for the rest of your lives. You
gotta understand that there are beautiful feet out here that
are plus size. It's like they're beautiful plus size women.
They're beautiful plus sized feet. I'm banning all of the
small foot bitches. Y'all need to understand, bitch that we.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Big feet girls have nice, pretty big feet, and you
should make shoes that come in our size. I'm so
sick of y'all only making those small ass fucking shoes.
I'm banning you small shoe wearing motherfucking creators by bitch.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Your band.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
Girl, shoehard. We got human sizes, things, you got human sizes. Okay,
So that's your turn. Could it be a person place with.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Its Yeah, anything you want, okay. I have a Karen
that lives next So I am queen and malros bitch.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
And I am banning all the motherfucking Karens in the world,
especially the ones.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
That you know who, bitch. I am banning all you bitches, Honey.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
You are coming from me since I moved in my
house thirteen years ago, honey, and you're like a tattoo bitch.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I can't get rid of you, bitch. So anyway, I'm
banning all the Karens. Girl. I don't want anybody getting
in my face telling me nothing. Uh yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Karens, lookout, honey, because you got me and CS honey,
and we're gonna come for you.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Bitch. Well, you can still banle keep going. You got
thirt ondree, keep.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Reading it, oh twenty one seconds anyway, So let me
see you in Ralph, honey, because that's my hangout, honey.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Let me see you at my grocery store. Now, you
can go to Era one, honey, but you are not
going to my routs, honey, So honey, stay away from
the roast parks because they're on sale, that mind, bitch.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
It feels good to ban it. It feels good to
talk your shit.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It feels good to explain to people why what your
villain era was so that they can understand, like why
you're here. It feels good to be a rebel with
a cause because I can see that, you know, addiction
and being sober, and you know, coming out of something
is something that you're passionate about and you help your

(59:41):
person do that. And it just feels good to be
an overall person that walks in their true, authentic form.
And I think God couldn't have made me anything else,
because if he would have, I would have turned myself
into this.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Do you feel the same the same?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah? Yeah, I feel that there's no accidents. You know,
that we were meant to be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Yeah, you know, because the way I was brought up
and the way my addiction took me, you know, and
you don't have to be addictive for it to take
you those places, because I'm sure you and the dark places.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Like I was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
My dark places were six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah. So basically I did sex and the alleys, honey.
I did sex in the Beverly Hills Hotel girl, you
know what I mean. We were probably in the same
alley at the same behind the jumpster. Girl. I love it,
and I had the best sex behind it and probably
it but to come home unscathed, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah,

(01:00:43):
you got your knuckles you probably had, you know, And
I got knuckles I got scars, and I got girl.
I've had to do it out some windows girls. Me too.
You know, I thought I was Charlie's angels. Must have
been an angel by my side. But I want you
to understand it. I appreciate you for existing. Thank you,

(01:01:05):
just like you appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I appreciate it me existing. And it's people like us
who give people that watch us permission to go against
the green.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
To make it okay, make it okay. I think we
take the shame away. Yeah, it's okay. You know, to
where a plan holds you on your head. That's right,
you see that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
It's okay, honey. It looks fat work. It's exactly familous. Honey,
it'll come out of honey, out of snake skin. It's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Yes, and age of them, bitch. I'm sixty one, bro
oh honey, she look cure for sixty one and I'm
on my herbal life. Honey, you better watch out there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
But you know what I'm getting a lot of people
come to me after the software underbelowy. Yeah, like you
got sober? How could I get sober?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
You know what I mean? It's killing my life, you know,
so basically you know and people like I got five
days sober and be daking my DMS. It's like I
was meant to make that testimony. Yes, because it's helping
so many people. You know, They're like, I love you, Cosmon,
I love you. One day your hair is pink and
you're wearing Lash's Girl today they're twisted my makeup artist

(01:02:14):
in me eyes. The one's this way girl, once that
way girl. Listen you you know what you can still see.
I showed up. I showed up, girl. I came in
here Russian from miss Matter. She came in here, rushing,
rushing dress. Girl. Guess what you Guess what you have

(01:02:36):
for me?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
A beautiful, gorgeous, beautiful Yeah, you were so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I'm so glad, Cosmo. I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Thank you so much for being with me today. And
I'm coming to your store. Ladies and gentlemen. This has
been the Queen of Male Rose, Miss Cosmo, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
You also could shop with the Queen on tiktop. She's
going to be doing a live little shopping network on
TikTok live, so you guys can.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Shop from your loving rhymes, your bedrooms or what not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Far see you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Some Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from
iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Co created by Tyler
Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece, I'm your host Tias Madison. We
are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our simpervising producer is Jessica Krinchich, and our producers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Are Joey pat and Common Barra.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz and our sound editor
is Jes Crinchich. Our associate producer is Trend High Tower
Special Thanks to our producer's assistant, Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme
song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show art is
by Pablo Montanina. Get You Next Week, Honey,